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"Hello this is the first officer speaking. If we have any medical doctors on board today please make yourself known to the flight crew so that we can continue to our destination"
According to the IATA, this isn't automaticaly an emergency, so they would follow company guidelines. It also suggests people (I expect based on jurisdiction) *can be declared dead* in flight:
Dealing with death or presumed death on board
When a person has been declared dead, or presumed dead, the following protocol is suggested:
1. Advise the captain immediately as he/she will have to advise the destination airport using company protocol to make sure the proper authority meets the flight
2. Move the person to a seat - if available, one with few other passengers nearby. If the aircraft is full, put the person back into his/her own seat, or at the crew's discretion, into another area not obstructing an aisle or exit. Take extra care when moving the person and be aware of the difficulty of the situation for companions and onlookers.
3. Put the person in a body bag if your airline uses them. Zip the bag up to the neck.
4. Restrain the person with seat belt or other equipment.
5. Close the eyes, and cover the body with a blanket up to the neck if a body bag is not available.
6. Request contact information from travelling companions.
7. Disembark other passengers first and make sure the family members stay with the body. Do not disembark the body until the proper local authority has arrived to take care of the body and that the ground personnel is available to assist the family members.
Source: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/ccbdc54681c24574bebf2db2b18197a5/death-on-board-guidelines.pdf
If I were the Captain I landed immediately regardless, Doctors get demanded all the time of how they knew that the person was dead...
I would just assume that the person is alive, In all communications, even if its head exploded or something.
I wonder what the balance is between continuing to destination and stopping just short. Like say it's a Dallas to NY flight, does it make sense to stop in, say Allentown or Scranton or just continue on to the NYC destination with priority approach? Obviously if they are still out and Louisville or Nashville is close they land.
This always seemed so dumb to me, but thinking about it now it makes sense.
If it was you do you (or someone you care about) want a flight attendant deciding if you’re dead versus say in a critical health condition where you may appear dead but won’t be with a timely medical intervention.
Or another way if someone dies on your flight do you want to risk the possibility that what killed another person is contagious b/c getting to your destination is worth it?
If “flight attendant making a guess” is the only other alternative, then sure.
Thinking that the person went in to a death-like coma or has a dangerous contagion is a lot closer to movie / video game than it is to reality.
That being said, I still think you emergency land just to get the dead body off. Not because there’s any real chance of saving them.
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Wife’s Mom died in our Dallas apartment. 1/2 hour later fire dept and EMTs come. Did not have a “do not resuscitate letter “ so they worked on her body anyway for 20 mins then took her still beeping and trying to ER. So that a doctor could declare her dead.
Horrible, horrifying for my wife and stupid. But there ya go. Line up your family’s end of life paperwork folks.
The corpse cupboard is a thing though.
https://qz.com/736968/beware-the-corpse-cupboard-what-happens-when-you-die-on-an-airplane
So many flights that deaths on them aren't unusual and there are protocols in place.
I'm pretty sure airline pilots have the legal authority to declare someone dead, just like they can officiate weddings and adjudicate most probate issues.
I don’t get how this can be upvoted…
Hope those who agree with this pass out in a plane and end up losing any chance to get healed because some asshole decided he would rather be on time for his connection than land and get a doctor.
This is so selfish.
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"Hello this is the first officer speaking. If we have any medical doctors on board today please make yourself known to the flight crew so that we can continue to our destination"
"That's it, I'm calling it. What timezone are we in?"
Ummm sir... we're currently over international waters, soooooo...are we going to radio a ship nearby to ask for the nautical timezone, or what?
It doesn’t matter they can’t declare someone dead until they are on the ground
According to the IATA, this isn't automaticaly an emergency, so they would follow company guidelines. It also suggests people (I expect based on jurisdiction) *can be declared dead* in flight: Dealing with death or presumed death on board When a person has been declared dead, or presumed dead, the following protocol is suggested: 1. Advise the captain immediately as he/she will have to advise the destination airport using company protocol to make sure the proper authority meets the flight 2. Move the person to a seat - if available, one with few other passengers nearby. If the aircraft is full, put the person back into his/her own seat, or at the crew's discretion, into another area not obstructing an aisle or exit. Take extra care when moving the person and be aware of the difficulty of the situation for companions and onlookers. 3. Put the person in a body bag if your airline uses them. Zip the bag up to the neck. 4. Restrain the person with seat belt or other equipment. 5. Close the eyes, and cover the body with a blanket up to the neck if a body bag is not available. 6. Request contact information from travelling companions. 7. Disembark other passengers first and make sure the family members stay with the body. Do not disembark the body until the proper local authority has arrived to take care of the body and that the ground personnel is available to assist the family members. Source: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/ccbdc54681c24574bebf2db2b18197a5/death-on-board-guidelines.pdf
If I were the Captain I landed immediately regardless, Doctors get demanded all the time of how they knew that the person was dead... I would just assume that the person is alive, In all communications, even if its head exploded or something.
I wonder what the balance is between continuing to destination and stopping just short. Like say it's a Dallas to NY flight, does it make sense to stop in, say Allentown or Scranton or just continue on to the NYC destination with priority approach? Obviously if they are still out and Louisville or Nashville is close they land.
British Airways puts a newspaper over the face of the deceased - or so I’m told, not having tried it myself. Also, no body bag.
Wtf? I call someone dead when they ain't breathing and no pulse. I don't care whether I am in my kitchen or on a space shuttle, dead is dead.
I'd rather miss a thousand connections than find out the guy wasn't actually dead and could've been saved.
Depends on how much overhead space he took up.
That costs extra and he was unable to pay the up charge.
And now everybody is thinking about how many connections they’d be willing to miss and how certain they’d have to be that the person is dead…
This always seemed so dumb to me, but thinking about it now it makes sense. If it was you do you (or someone you care about) want a flight attendant deciding if you’re dead versus say in a critical health condition where you may appear dead but won’t be with a timely medical intervention. Or another way if someone dies on your flight do you want to risk the possibility that what killed another person is contagious b/c getting to your destination is worth it?
If “flight attendant making a guess” is the only other alternative, then sure. Thinking that the person went in to a death-like coma or has a dangerous contagion is a lot closer to movie / video game than it is to reality. That being said, I still think you emergency land just to get the dead body off. Not because there’s any real chance of saving them.
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>missed there connections 😬
Wife’s Mom died in our Dallas apartment. 1/2 hour later fire dept and EMTs come. Did not have a “do not resuscitate letter “ so they worked on her body anyway for 20 mins then took her still beeping and trying to ER. So that a doctor could declare her dead. Horrible, horrifying for my wife and stupid. But there ya go. Line up your family’s end of life paperwork folks.
That is a “we have to do it so you don’t sue us” exercise.
Its an emergency because that dead dude STINKS
nah it takes time for a dead body to start stinking
I mean… the body voids itself of any bowel/bladder contents when it dies, so yeah it would stink pretty quick
idk im not biologist I just want attention
I like the brutal honesty here lol
thanks for attention
You’re welcome
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thanks
Lmao, fair enough
Put him in a bag
Prey tell where you expect to find an airtight bag big enough to hold a body on an airplane
Confine him in the toilet
Fuck it, throw him in the cargo hold
Emergency nicely handled
I would assume most planes will have a body bag or two on board, just for this scenario.
As soon as you die your anus open and shits get out, you got to try it. Weirdly I never saw pee get out.
It doesn’t need to be a doctor. Almost all medical and emergency personnel can legally call T.O.D.
I think He would disembark in flight
But he’s right
The corpse cupboard is a thing though. https://qz.com/736968/beware-the-corpse-cupboard-what-happens-when-you-die-on-an-airplane So many flights that deaths on them aren't unusual and there are protocols in place.
If you had that crazy bastard that opened the emergency exit door on that flight, a burial at sea would be the obvious choice here.
I'm pretty sure airline pilots have the legal authority to declare someone dead, just like they can officiate weddings and adjudicate most probate issues.
wait they can officiate weddings? I demand an explanation
I mean, they aren't technically dead until they are pronounced dead, for which you need a doctor.
I don’t get how this can be upvoted… Hope those who agree with this pass out in a plane and end up losing any chance to get healed because some asshole decided he would rather be on time for his connection than land and get a doctor. This is so selfish.
There connections, here disconnections