Facebook screwed up with their algorithm regarding people's feeds.
I noticed like 80% of people on my Facebook aren't showing up in my feed anymore, only those that I had engaged with more in the past (and I only engaged more with them because they were posting more often).
So you get stuck with nothing but the most self-centered "look at me" people who live on there and those who only post once in a while get driven off the platform.
The truth Facebook doesn't want to let you know is that the amount of content your friends are making online has absolutely cratered. Compared to 10 years ago hardly anyone posts on there any more. So as time progresses they fill your feed with more and more shite, ads, company social media content (basically ads), suggested videos (promoting some product)...
It's all to keep up the perception of fresh content, because if the feed doesn't get updated often enough they are basically dead in the water. You are witnessing the death knell of a social media platform, and I'll be lining up to piss on it's grave.
I think the chronological timeline kinda pushed the FOMO. You gotta check facebook frequently or you might 'miss' something. Now you see photos and stuff where it feels like it's too late to bother commenting because not everyone is seeing it at the same time.
Same. It's even a little like that with YouTube. Just cause I watched a video about changing my breaks doesn't mean I want to be a mechanic. I like some randomness in my life. That's why I like to sign out of my account a lot. Just to see what else is out there.
Huge problem with YT right now imo. I'm in the exact same boat, the same few people are all that's recommended because I watched one of their videos. Sometimes I avoid watching stuff simply because I don't want my feed to just turn into that thing.
And that was the best side of YT. That's where you actually found cool, and fresh content. These algorithms are killing so many apps/ platforms it's bonkers that they keep forcing them on us despite the fact that absolutely no one wants them. Insta was actually good back when your feed sorted by new. Why can't they at least give you the option of sorting things the way you want, like just I don't know... every single online shopping service?
Its nice with Reddit that as soon as my interest in a hobby or discipline has faded, I can just unsub from a couple of subreddits and BAM it’s gone. I know there’s always the risk of falling into hive minds and thought bubbles (which Reddit is infamous for), but 1) so does all social media and 2) if I’m going to be isolated in my internet exposure, at least be it of my own voluntary choices instead of an algorithm for ad revenue.
I've also changed my search habits because I hate how Google immediately thinks I want stories about some random thing in my news feed. In fact, most things I search for are things I know little about because I'm not interested in them. So now I open incognito tabs for my searches. It's actually identical to the YT issue, but I thought I'd point it out.
For real, if they’d have just left it how it was around 2010ish I would probably still be using it. My usage was similar to yours - post pictures, tag friends, comment. But it was basically a time capsule in a sense, then they started with their bullshit and got even worse about privacy (it wasn’t great before but it was a level I could stomach). So I built a NAS and just add hard drives as needed for my photos and dropped the rest.
Everyone just wants to hold your continual attention now like Tiktok. It's like the only way to be successful is to bombard you with short videos that make you go "heh". It's like that brain slug episode of Futurama.
All these other "traditional" social media platforms are panicking and trying to become Tiktok. Look at fucking YouTube....I honestly thought you couldn't fuck up YouTube, but that Shorts business or whatever they call it, it's fucking terrible. If you are starting to copy your competition you've already lost.
As much as I hate TikTok, am concerned in regards to privacy due to their ties to the CCP, and just generally dislike its existence they’re just the ones who perfected it. There was a slow shift that started way back with Vine or even before, I’m sure there was other smaller less successful ventures. After Vine, Facebook acquired Instagram and Snapchat to try and have a more competitive and similar platform. But Vine and Instagram always had this influencer first vibe rather than social media centered around you know, your local social circles. This bled into Facebook. They all went to shit trying to be what TikTok perfected and now here we are in a shitty hell scape centered around influencers and selling user data.
They also promote controversial posts from people in your network... (because it creates "engagement") so you end up seeing the same stupid stuff from your uncle who has tons of friends on FB and riles them all up.
I teach middle school. Just did social media survey (I give them a random kahoot to give them something to do while I do attendance)…
Out of 160 students…
121 use Tik Tok.
85 use Instagram
9 use Facebook.
Not scientific, but that’s what middle school kids at my school in SoCal do.
I think comparing it to YouTube is strange because to me they are two different things. Using YouTube is more similar to using a service like Hulu than to Facebook. But I deleted my Facebook account years ago, so what do I know.
Yeah I would never equate YouTube with someplace like Facebook or Reddit. It is definitely just another streaming service but for personally made videos.
Youtube is another beast entirely to me.
Yeah there's a big social/entertainment aspect to it but if I need to change a cabin airfilter in a 2011 Civic Honda SE, I go to youtube.
I use it for much more than that but it's always going to be a tool at a minimum.
And Facebook for me was never anything like Reddit is. On Facebook, 100% of my friends were at least real life acquaintances (like people I went to high school with but lost touch with). I'm sure there are people I know on Reddit, but I don't know any of their account names.
Completely different experiences and purposes.
And for me, YouTube is a site that I don't interact with anyone at all on. Like, I don't think I've ever posted a single comment, I go there looking for videos.
I guess the analogy might be that FB is like having dinner with friends, Reddit is like dinner theater with a bunch of strangers, and YouTube is like ordering takeout.
I think YouTube is added for another very important reason: watch time.
The key metric today is how long someone stays on your service.
Every minute on YouTube, is a minute away from tiktok and snapchat.
Yeah, even though they're trying to get into the "shorts" game like TikTok/IG/Snap Chat, I don't think anyone considers them *social* media like the others.
Most people do not consider YouTube social media and do not report it as such even when it is an option on these surveys. It's a completely different media consuming pattern from other apps.
Not many teens use Reddit. Here's the actual data that all these news reports have been commenting on. About 14% of teens use Reddit.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/](https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/)
Some of us are old enough that we were on Facebook when it was only available to college students at certain universities AND now have children who are old enough to be on Facebook. For my kid it never lived.
This reminds of old reddit, where we would all hate summer break because teens and kids would post way more and it would be a noticeable decline in quality posts. When September would come and the kids were back in school, it would get better. Then one year it just never went back and we’ve kinda been in that stage of reddit ever since.
Sadly a lot of subreddits are overrun by marketing super accounts that just endlessly post whatever links their employers churn out. It'd be slightly less annoying if they were at least transparent about it.
You want to know why I love dat boi? Dat boi is a completely self-made meme. So many other memes are based in nostalgic childrens shows, funny faces, relatable situations, or references. Not dat boi. Dat boi is completely absurd. It's a low-res frog on a unicycle, and an arbitrary method for greeting him. The first person to ever upvote dat boi did not do so out of recognition. The first person to ever upvote dat boi did not do so because a pre-existing meme format. The first person to ever upvote dat boi upvoted a meme literally pulled from the ether by sheer human creativity and willpower. Dat boi is evidence that humans can stare into the meaningless void of eternity and force their own meaning onto to it. I will always upvote dat boi, o shit waddup!
Phrasing it this way makes it seem more like a prophecy.
“And yea, when the influx of new users doth slow, the great Green Day shall awaken, and bring forth a new era upon this, the World Wide Web!”
it was thefacebook.com as well
it was great! could enter my course schedule and find people that way in your class.... everyones address/cell changed practically every year so it was a great address book
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask.
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks.
My college network crashed the day it was added to Facebook. Everyone was busy trying to signup and overloaded the network.
Writing on walls and poking people. Those were the days …
I remember around 2008ish when I first got a Facebook account, it was fucking glorious. I live in a pretty big metro and met a ton of people, a bunch of bar meet ups. Whenever you dated someone you met on Facebook it became the same cycle; like each other's shit constantly, pokes, messages, exchange numbers, meet up, relationship ensues, relationship goes south, unfriend, block. Start all over again. Around 2012 I just started using dating apps, but for awhile it was pretty fun.
For a lot of us we are the parents now. In my circle all of the sensible people stopped posting and/or removed their account, now it's just an echo chamber for our very opinionated relatives and their conspiracy theories.
I'm not a parent but yeah, this is it. I was always on MSN messenger in high school chatting with my friends in the evening. Myspace was a blast to learn to code your page, post photos, see what your friends were up to, etc. Then FB followed. I liked it for creating groups and events but I can't it anymore. It's just a cesspool for misinfo, inflammatory news, and ads. Hmmm I wonder why today's teens aren't into that?!
TikTok has a large community of adult creators already, and I say it's gotten even bigger since it has gone mainstream and advertising dollar followed.
Weirdly, the older people I've seen on tiktok seem to have very large followings. There's absolutely a selection bias there, but I think the fact that tiktok is so algorithm focused kinda insulates it from this issue a bit. Parent-tiktok and Teen-tiktok don't really overlap much.
Pretty sure this article is referring mostly to Instagram since it's owned by Facebook. Wording is a bit weird though because basically no one below the age of 40 uses Facebook proper anymore
I kind of feel IG is on its way out as well. Like 2/3 of my feed is ads, and no one posts anymore. It feels like it's just for looking at celebs & faux-celebs.
IG is useless for everyone it was meant to empower in every iteration it's had. It's no longer a good way for people to share photo posts because the algorithm decided it needs to promote stories and reels to compete with Snapchat and TikTok, but all the reels just come from TikTok anyway so everyone just uses TikTok. Photographers that used to use IG to promote their business were forced to start producing reels to get views because images die in obscurity. But those same reels do ten times better on TikTok so they focus on TikTok, then re-upload to Insta with the TikTok logo on the video, making every Reel essentially an ad for TikTok. And if a platform isn't doing your business any favors, why bother making it a key part of your strategy? Facebook (Meta) is in this bizarre state where they force people to pay for boosting posts in order to get any traction, but instead of paying to boost posts people are just going to TikTok. IG could easily mitigate this with some tweaks to the algorithm, but it would mean not forcing people into paying to boost posts as much. Either they keep up this pay-to-win scheme and die, or they adapt and probably still die.
Bonus pts for TikTok having a godawful reputation in terms of security issues, not that many users actually care.
Point is-- it seems like it took a lot for FB to bork things up the way they did.
**Edit**: some specific details added below as a response.
I don’t think this is entirely true, Facebook groups seem to be popular for the Gen Z crowd still especially for finding roommates, selling items and other use cases
I'm not a teen, I perceive YouTube slightly differently than the other channels. On the other channels--Facebook, Instagram, etc--you're much likelier to be seeing content created by your friends, aren't you?
Meanwhile, YouTube feels the most like traditional broadcast media, where you could spend hours on it and never see anything from anyone you know personally.
Unironically though, Harvard reported **last February** that over [60% of all young adults suffer from extreme loneliness](https://mcc.gse.harvard.edu/reports/loneliness-in-america). Allegedly, that number hasn't improved much. Your comment might not be far off, and it could explain part of the reason teens are shifting in that direction.
True, but I think the small content creator format on YouTube works just as well in part by building so-called “parasocial” relationships between consumers and creators. I think the option for long-form videos on YouTube (as opposed to short-form clips on IG, TikTok, etc.) also contribute to its feelings of authenticity — in a way, you feel like you get to know the people you’re watching better. And the performance and production aspects of YouTube videos seem a little more upfront than clips on other social media
they suspended an account i made yesturday, no posts no nothing, just a profile of a tugboat with name holiday fartscruise
pretty ballsy to call me out, pretty sure i read about bigfoot in their news section
You cannot create a profile that’s not a person. Now if you wanted to open a business page for Holiday FartsCruise you’d be just fine.
Edit: I am not Mark Zuckerberg. Stop telling me how I’m wrong. I don’t make the rules.
I wish more people were still as actively outraged about them removing the dislikes as they were a few months ago. The deluge of misinformation and propaganda is unreal, and there’s absolutely no recourse or way to combat it. YouTube comment sections are definitely still contentious, but when the YouTuber is able to delete comments at will, the issues just compound exponentially.
That and the layout has been slowly changing. I've noticed that a lot of videos don't have the date it was uploaded anymore. Now I get confused on which video I have and haven't watched. Same with those "shorts". I really hate them.
Oh, comment sections anywhere are where cognitive dissonance goes to spunk on unfertilized moron eggs.
Yes, I'm aware I'm participating in a comment section
*does up fly*
At least 1-2 times a day my mom will say "did you see X on Facebook?" No, I didn't, what page or account is that on? "I don't know, it was on my home page, I figured you'd see it."
Or, alternately, she'll send me a link to something one of her friends shared... that I can't see because I'm not friends with the same people she is.
The thing that gets me is that reading is so much faster for finding info you need than watching a damn video, even on tiktok.
I can’t stand instructional videos anymore cause they’re so damn padded with “Before we get to that, don’t forget to like/subscribe. Also, here’s 20 minutes of historical background so I can hit the algorithm’s sweet spot, but honestly you don’t need any of this to accomplish what you’re trying to do.”
It’s fucking exhausting. Just ctrl+F or just scanning a blog post is wayyyy more efficient.
I fucking hate instructional videos, even if they get to the point it might still be 20min of them working when really all you want is a 15 sec chunk hidden somewhere in the middle.
They’ll be flailing around for a long time that they aren’t old until they finally realize they are.
I realized it myself once the music I listened to is now considered classic.
I over heard some teens/young adults talking about a coverband, and I quote:
"They cover songs from an old band, Green Day, have you heard of them?".
I feel ancient. I'm only 31.
YouTube is the new cesspit.
My dad's feed automatically opens to that god awful "shorts" tab, which serves him nothing but videos of conspiracy theories and far right bullshit. In the last month he's sent me clips "proving" that Anthony Fauci is a communist, that Obama is instating a new world order, George Soros is a nazi, and that the "globalists" recently opened a portal to hell in Switzerland (aka the new Gotthard train tunnel). This is in addition to the usual barrage of Glenn Beck and Jordan Peterson videos he inundates me with. Oh also global warming isn't caused by humans and slavery wasn't a big deal. We're screwed as a species.
Just a personal experience. I was watching a bunch of lectures by authors and professors on WW2 after Dan Carlin's postcast covered the Japanese Empire. I was inundated with Neo Nazi recommendations. The algorithm has a hair trigger for evil propaganda.
It’s driven by engagement stats, and the people who get into right-wing conspiracies are *the most fucking engaged* people ever. They can’t help themselves. It’s like an open bar for a bunch of alcoholics.
I’ve read the psychological explanations for it, but it never gets less baffling to see people absolutely enthralled by obvious grifters preying on their tendency for mystical thinking.
You read the Authoritarians?
https://theauthoritarians.org/
It was written in the Bush years but is downright prophetic.
People far on the Authoritarian Spectrum's determine truth by what their in group leader says is true. Authoritarians only think about things at an extremely shallow level and easily hold contradictory ideas thay are obviously untrue.
Narcissistic Sociopaths see this as an opportunity to take advantage. You say a buch of racist stuff to prove your credibility (Authoritarians tend to be right wing), then you can grift without limits as your victim's worldview is whatever you tell them. They can't think for themselves. No evidence will ever convince them otherwise.
Like holy crap #shorts is a shit show.
I'm watching videos on woodworking, diy and movies.
Why the fuck do I need Jordan Peterson explaining to me the only people actually oppressed are white men. I dislike and click past it but it's 4 videos until that prager shit and 4 more to some guy in a pickup with shades talking about 'getting real'
I don't want any of that crap at all.
The generation that told us not to believe everything we read, became the generation they literally believed anything they read, particularly if it so much as aligned with their world view.
Yeah, but also fuck the TikTok format intrusion into the YouTube UI.
I will fucking let. you. know. if I want to see short little irrelevant influencer videos while digging through my rabbit holes thank you very much.
Hint: I don’t.
I hate shorts because they work too well. I have found myself stuck scrolling through endless trash 5-60 second videos for HOURS without even noticing. It is specifically designed to take advantage of people like me with short attention spans and a dopamine addiction
Instagram has quickly turned into a pile of hot shit, I doubt it will have the same popularity going forward.
If I scroll my feed for a minute, I'll be lucky to see 2 posts from my actual friends/pages I follow. The rest are advertisements.
Facebook recently announced they're going to double the amount of AI generated suggestions fed via FB and IG, so you're going to see much less of your actual friends & pages:
"Zuckerberg said that right now, about 15% of content in our Facebook feeds are served by Meta’s AI. That number is even a little bit higher on Instagram.
“We expect these numbers to double by the end of next year,” he said. That means that over 30% of our feeds on Instagram and Facebook will filled with content from accounts we don’t actually follow."
https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/27/instagram-feed-reels-tiktok-ai-mark-zuckerberg/
I hope it ends up being like bebo. Hope Facebook goes that way too. And Zuckerborg shits the bed and has to pay reparations word wide for corrupting the youth and turning anyone who uses it it to an attention seeking narcissist
Bebo is a dead social media platform from when you were born might even have been a year older than you if it was still alive lol. We all jumped ship to Facebook. I deleted Facebook about 5 years ago
Right? I could not get past two posts in a row from people I follow before being shown an ad or a stupid reel. Most of the time it was only one post surrounded by ads and suggested reels.
Instagram is crashing too. Not quite as quickly, but a lot of influencers and similar folks are starting to leave and the ones who are still there are openly saying it sucks now. It's only a matter of time.
I enjoy and occasionally sell my photography, Instagram has just thrown us photographers under the bus. Haven't touched Insta in over a year - got a new phone and didn't bother to install it.
It's mindboggling why Instagram is chasing TikTok functions. Have they maybe considered that people use Instagram for Instagram features, and they would use TikTok for TikTok features? And people COULD use both? So fucking stupid.
I don't really see how YouTube and Facebook are related enough that you could abandon one for the other
I think people have just been abandoning Facebook, full stop. And if they're abandoning it in favor of something, I doubt it's YouTube
I don't think the change is as much about teens leaving Facebook, just that the younger kids aren't using it to begin with, so as they become teens, it lowers the percentages. My own child is 14, and I can't think of a single other kid his age that uses Facebook except as a means to post on the local group page to drum up business for their lawn mowing/shoveling/babysitting jobs.
That answers that. Facebook will not be the first social network with intergenerational appeal. Can't say I'm sorry, either - Meta is the most evil tech company (although they have some close peers on that list).
Facebook screwed up with their algorithm regarding people's feeds. I noticed like 80% of people on my Facebook aren't showing up in my feed anymore, only those that I had engaged with more in the past (and I only engaged more with them because they were posting more often). So you get stuck with nothing but the most self-centered "look at me" people who live on there and those who only post once in a while get driven off the platform.
The truth Facebook doesn't want to let you know is that the amount of content your friends are making online has absolutely cratered. Compared to 10 years ago hardly anyone posts on there any more. So as time progresses they fill your feed with more and more shite, ads, company social media content (basically ads), suggested videos (promoting some product)... It's all to keep up the perception of fresh content, because if the feed doesn't get updated often enough they are basically dead in the water. You are witnessing the death knell of a social media platform, and I'll be lining up to piss on it's grave.
They had such a good thing going for users. In 2010 I was in love with posting photos, tagging friends and commenting on news. It's too bad.
I remember the time before the algorithm. I kind liked that
Yeah, I enjoyed it when it was just a chronological timeline of my friends posts.
I think the chronological timeline kinda pushed the FOMO. You gotta check facebook frequently or you might 'miss' something. Now you see photos and stuff where it feels like it's too late to bother commenting because not everyone is seeing it at the same time.
This. This is how it backfires. You don't miss anything on fb now. I find even if a non-friend comments on a friend's post, it'll bump it in my feed
I just got a notification to resume a video I was watching yesterday. They're beyond desperate.
The number of times I glance at Facebook, am about to comment on a photo, and see it was actually posted two weeks ago despite being top of my feed.
Yup, reminds me of getting on myspace after most people left to Facebook
Same. It's even a little like that with YouTube. Just cause I watched a video about changing my breaks doesn't mean I want to be a mechanic. I like some randomness in my life. That's why I like to sign out of my account a lot. Just to see what else is out there.
Huge problem with YT right now imo. I'm in the exact same boat, the same few people are all that's recommended because I watched one of their videos. Sometimes I avoid watching stuff simply because I don't want my feed to just turn into that thing.
You used to only be 2 clicks from the weird side of YouTube.
And that was the best side of YT. That's where you actually found cool, and fresh content. These algorithms are killing so many apps/ platforms it's bonkers that they keep forcing them on us despite the fact that absolutely no one wants them. Insta was actually good back when your feed sorted by new. Why can't they at least give you the option of sorting things the way you want, like just I don't know... every single online shopping service?
It’s why Reddit has kept my attention for so many years without pissing me off like literally every single other major platform
Its nice with Reddit that as soon as my interest in a hobby or discipline has faded, I can just unsub from a couple of subreddits and BAM it’s gone. I know there’s always the risk of falling into hive minds and thought bubbles (which Reddit is infamous for), but 1) so does all social media and 2) if I’m going to be isolated in my internet exposure, at least be it of my own voluntary choices instead of an algorithm for ad revenue.
Same. And no photos, nothing but a user name. Some of my most wholesome online moments have been here.
I've also changed my search habits because I hate how Google immediately thinks I want stories about some random thing in my news feed. In fact, most things I search for are things I know little about because I'm not interested in them. So now I open incognito tabs for my searches. It's actually identical to the YT issue, but I thought I'd point it out.
I watched Jordan Peterson videos 3 years ago. Big mistake.
I learned so about Andrew Tate by accident
I keep hearing his name and I'm trying my best to stay in the dark.
For real, if they’d have just left it how it was around 2010ish I would probably still be using it. My usage was similar to yours - post pictures, tag friends, comment. But it was basically a time capsule in a sense, then they started with their bullshit and got even worse about privacy (it wasn’t great before but it was a level I could stomach). So I built a NAS and just add hard drives as needed for my photos and dropped the rest.
Everyone just wants to hold your continual attention now like Tiktok. It's like the only way to be successful is to bombard you with short videos that make you go "heh". It's like that brain slug episode of Futurama. All these other "traditional" social media platforms are panicking and trying to become Tiktok. Look at fucking YouTube....I honestly thought you couldn't fuck up YouTube, but that Shorts business or whatever they call it, it's fucking terrible. If you are starting to copy your competition you've already lost.
As much as I hate TikTok, am concerned in regards to privacy due to their ties to the CCP, and just generally dislike its existence they’re just the ones who perfected it. There was a slow shift that started way back with Vine or even before, I’m sure there was other smaller less successful ventures. After Vine, Facebook acquired Instagram and Snapchat to try and have a more competitive and similar platform. But Vine and Instagram always had this influencer first vibe rather than social media centered around you know, your local social circles. This bled into Facebook. They all went to shit trying to be what TikTok perfected and now here we are in a shitty hell scape centered around influencers and selling user data.
Why Ed, you sounded like Dirty Harry just then.
They also promote controversial posts from people in your network... (because it creates "engagement") so you end up seeing the same stupid stuff from your uncle who has tons of friends on FB and riles them all up.
I teach middle school. Just did social media survey (I give them a random kahoot to give them something to do while I do attendance)… Out of 160 students… 121 use Tik Tok. 85 use Instagram 9 use Facebook. Not scientific, but that’s what middle school kids at my school in SoCal do.
And all use youtube probably ?
Since I do in class, I’ll say 100% do.
Look at Professor Supreme Court over here forcing all kids to carry a video to term.
He didn't say they had to finish the videos.
Nor did he say they had to pay attention to them, either. Damn ~~kiddos~~ videos always require more attention than I can afford.
#"I LIKE THE COMMERCIALS ... THEN I KNOW WHAT TO BUY!"
I think comparing it to YouTube is strange because to me they are two different things. Using YouTube is more similar to using a service like Hulu than to Facebook. But I deleted my Facebook account years ago, so what do I know.
Yeah I would never equate YouTube with someplace like Facebook or Reddit. It is definitely just another streaming service but for personally made videos.
Youtube is another beast entirely to me. Yeah there's a big social/entertainment aspect to it but if I need to change a cabin airfilter in a 2011 Civic Honda SE, I go to youtube. I use it for much more than that but it's always going to be a tool at a minimum.
And Facebook for me was never anything like Reddit is. On Facebook, 100% of my friends were at least real life acquaintances (like people I went to high school with but lost touch with). I'm sure there are people I know on Reddit, but I don't know any of their account names. Completely different experiences and purposes. And for me, YouTube is a site that I don't interact with anyone at all on. Like, I don't think I've ever posted a single comment, I go there looking for videos. I guess the analogy might be that FB is like having dinner with friends, Reddit is like dinner theater with a bunch of strangers, and YouTube is like ordering takeout.
I think YouTube is added for another very important reason: watch time. The key metric today is how long someone stays on your service. Every minute on YouTube, is a minute away from tiktok and snapchat.
I mean, I watch YouTube on my laptop while reading Reddit so... I'm not prepared to touch the cancer that is Reels/TikTok.
Yeah, even though they're trying to get into the "shorts" game like TikTok/IG/Snap Chat, I don't think anyone considers them *social* media like the others.
Most people do not consider YouTube social media and do not report it as such even when it is an option on these surveys. It's a completely different media consuming pattern from other apps.
YouTube is now pushing short, vertical video content. It's awful.
Need to add Youtube, Reddit, Twitter, and other social medias.
Is YouTube really social media? Certainly not in the way reddit or Twitter are imo
Let's keep them off reddit for a little while, no need to ruin their life.
Not many teens use Reddit. Here's the actual data that all these news reports have been commenting on. About 14% of teens use Reddit. [https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/](https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/)
I’d argue instagram is basically Facebook with a different flavor after all they’re still Meta
Old, out of touch person here. Didn't this happen at least 10 years ago?
It died when our parents got on it
Some of us are old enough that we were on Facebook when it was only available to college students at certain universities AND now have children who are old enough to be on Facebook. For my kid it never lived.
.edu emails only!
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This reminds of old reddit, where we would all hate summer break because teens and kids would post way more and it would be a noticeable decline in quality posts. When September would come and the kids were back in school, it would get better. Then one year it just never went back and we’ve kinda been in that stage of reddit ever since.
feels like every meme page these days is just viral marketing for the latest tv show. i miss dat boi
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Sadly a lot of subreddits are overrun by marketing super accounts that just endlessly post whatever links their employers churn out. It'd be slightly less annoying if they were at least transparent about it.
Oh you mean 65,000 people didn't upvote a Disney teaser movie poster for a remake of a Disney movie on r/movies?
You want to know why I love dat boi? Dat boi is a completely self-made meme. So many other memes are based in nostalgic childrens shows, funny faces, relatable situations, or references. Not dat boi. Dat boi is completely absurd. It's a low-res frog on a unicycle, and an arbitrary method for greeting him. The first person to ever upvote dat boi did not do so out of recognition. The first person to ever upvote dat boi did not do so because a pre-existing meme format. The first person to ever upvote dat boi upvoted a meme literally pulled from the ether by sheer human creativity and willpower. Dat boi is evidence that humans can stare into the meaningless void of eternity and force their own meaning onto to it. I will always upvote dat boi, o shit waddup!
I still remember the great Digg migration.
This is why Green Day wanted to be awoken when it ended
Phrasing it this way makes it seem more like a prophecy. “And yea, when the influx of new users doth slow, the great Green Day shall awaken, and bring forth a new era upon this, the World Wide Web!”
it was thefacebook.com as well it was great! could enter my course schedule and find people that way in your class.... everyones address/cell changed practically every year so it was a great address book
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks.
I remember at orientation the first thing we all did as soon as we activated our e-mail address was sign up for Facebook.
Yeah, the wall was awesome too for organizing parties and stuff. OG Facebook was way better
My college network crashed the day it was added to Facebook. Everyone was busy trying to signup and overloaded the network. Writing on walls and poking people. Those were the days …
Aww poking! I forgot all about that lovely feature.
The accepted way of letting a girl know you wanna bang her without letting her really know.
So offensive and yet so flattering to 22 year old me.
We were all flattered back then by a nice poke haha
I remember around 2008ish when I first got a Facebook account, it was fucking glorious. I live in a pretty big metro and met a ton of people, a bunch of bar meet ups. Whenever you dated someone you met on Facebook it became the same cycle; like each other's shit constantly, pokes, messages, exchange numbers, meet up, relationship ensues, relationship goes south, unfriend, block. Start all over again. Around 2012 I just started using dating apps, but for awhile it was pretty fun.
some of us are so old that we were too old to be on facebook when it was only available to college students.
Tom was my first Social media friend
For a lot of us we are the parents now. In my circle all of the sensible people stopped posting and/or removed their account, now it's just an echo chamber for our very opinionated relatives and their conspiracy theories.
I think a lot of people just left the account there and just leave it open to know when family or friends have died or celebrated a birthday.
I'm not a parent but yeah, this is it. I was always on MSN messenger in high school chatting with my friends in the evening. Myspace was a blast to learn to code your page, post photos, see what your friends were up to, etc. Then FB followed. I liked it for creating groups and events but I can't it anymore. It's just a cesspool for misinfo, inflammatory news, and ads. Hmmm I wonder why today's teens aren't into that?!
Tiktok will die too after everyone’s parents crash that app as well
TikTok has a large community of adult creators already, and I say it's gotten even bigger since it has gone mainstream and advertising dollar followed.
The absurdly low payouts on tiktok will see a lot of them try to move to youtube where they can make a living.
Weirdly, the older people I've seen on tiktok seem to have very large followings. There's absolutely a selection bias there, but I think the fact that tiktok is so algorithm focused kinda insulates it from this issue a bit. Parent-tiktok and Teen-tiktok don't really overlap much.
They've learned from Facebook's mistakes evidently
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Pretty sure this article is referring mostly to Instagram since it's owned by Facebook. Wording is a bit weird though because basically no one below the age of 40 uses Facebook proper anymore
I kind of feel IG is on its way out as well. Like 2/3 of my feed is ads, and no one posts anymore. It feels like it's just for looking at celebs & faux-celebs.
IG is useless for everyone it was meant to empower in every iteration it's had. It's no longer a good way for people to share photo posts because the algorithm decided it needs to promote stories and reels to compete with Snapchat and TikTok, but all the reels just come from TikTok anyway so everyone just uses TikTok. Photographers that used to use IG to promote their business were forced to start producing reels to get views because images die in obscurity. But those same reels do ten times better on TikTok so they focus on TikTok, then re-upload to Insta with the TikTok logo on the video, making every Reel essentially an ad for TikTok. And if a platform isn't doing your business any favors, why bother making it a key part of your strategy? Facebook (Meta) is in this bizarre state where they force people to pay for boosting posts in order to get any traction, but instead of paying to boost posts people are just going to TikTok. IG could easily mitigate this with some tweaks to the algorithm, but it would mean not forcing people into paying to boost posts as much. Either they keep up this pay-to-win scheme and die, or they adapt and probably still die.
Bonus pts for TikTok having a godawful reputation in terms of security issues, not that many users actually care. Point is-- it seems like it took a lot for FB to bork things up the way they did. **Edit**: some specific details added below as a response.
I don’t think this is entirely true, Facebook groups seem to be popular for the Gen Z crowd still especially for finding roommates, selling items and other use cases
Honestly I use Facebook for marketplace more than anything else now.
Not in the West at least. In Asia it's still going strong. (Obviously not in China, though, lol.)
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Yea especially Southeast Asia. Just about everybody uses is.
It’s not the move away from Facebook that perplexes me. It’s the move towards YouTube.
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I'm not a teen, I perceive YouTube slightly differently than the other channels. On the other channels--Facebook, Instagram, etc--you're much likelier to be seeing content created by your friends, aren't you? Meanwhile, YouTube feels the most like traditional broadcast media, where you could spend hours on it and never see anything from anyone you know personally.
I completely agree, I don’t think YouTube is social media.
It's more like parasocial media, depending on what channels you subscribe to.
And to think I used to make fun of my grandma for watching Bold and the Brave near-religiously, now I watch podcasts. Grandma, I'm sorry, I get it now
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The soap opera, I might have gotten the title wrong. She watched it voiceover'd
I think alot of people only have vlog creators for friends these days
Unironically though, Harvard reported **last February** that over [60% of all young adults suffer from extreme loneliness](https://mcc.gse.harvard.edu/reports/loneliness-in-america). Allegedly, that number hasn't improved much. Your comment might not be far off, and it could explain part of the reason teens are shifting in that direction.
I remember when you could add people as friends on YouTube and customize your homepage as much as you want.
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True, but I think the small content creator format on YouTube works just as well in part by building so-called “parasocial” relationships between consumers and creators. I think the option for long-form videos on YouTube (as opposed to short-form clips on IG, TikTok, etc.) also contribute to its feelings of authenticity — in a way, you feel like you get to know the people you’re watching better. And the performance and production aspects of YouTube videos seem a little more upfront than clips on other social media
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Good. Let it die with the old people who treat it like a news station.
FB doesn't just host the stupid, they promote it.
they suspended an account i made yesturday, no posts no nothing, just a profile of a tugboat with name holiday fartscruise pretty ballsy to call me out, pretty sure i read about bigfoot in their news section
You cannot create a profile that’s not a person. Now if you wanted to open a business page for Holiday FartsCruise you’d be just fine. Edit: I am not Mark Zuckerberg. Stop telling me how I’m wrong. I don’t make the rules.
Eric?
It's Erik with a K you f**k.
That's the thing about Eric. You never know when it's him. I could even be Eric.
Something something my boy's dick
Have you been to the comments sections of YouTube recently? It's not any better
Honestly I never look at YouTube comments. I watch the vid and leave.
this is self care
I wish more people were still as actively outraged about them removing the dislikes as they were a few months ago. The deluge of misinformation and propaganda is unreal, and there’s absolutely no recourse or way to combat it. YouTube comment sections are definitely still contentious, but when the YouTuber is able to delete comments at will, the issues just compound exponentially.
Yeah, it still pisses me off, too. They did it because businesses were complaining about getting flak for very valid reasons. Makes me sick...
That and the layout has been slowly changing. I've noticed that a lot of videos don't have the date it was uploaded anymore. Now I get confused on which video I have and haven't watched. Same with those "shorts". I really hate them.
Oh, comment sections anywhere are where cognitive dissonance goes to spunk on unfertilized moron eggs. Yes, I'm aware I'm participating in a comment section *does up fly*
Omg, I have a co-worker born 1966 who always says “Did you see? It was on Facebook!” like everyone has the same fucking feeds as him.
At least 1-2 times a day my mom will say "did you see X on Facebook?" No, I didn't, what page or account is that on? "I don't know, it was on my home page, I figured you'd see it." Or, alternately, she'll send me a link to something one of her friends shared... that I can't see because I'm not friends with the same people she is.
This is what happens when you make a piece of technology too easy to use.
lol my mom always says "did you see this video on youtube?". Same thing.
It'll be tiktok and youtube soon enough. That's the thing about old people, today's teens are geezers in 10-20 years.
The thing that gets me is that reading is so much faster for finding info you need than watching a damn video, even on tiktok. I can’t stand instructional videos anymore cause they’re so damn padded with “Before we get to that, don’t forget to like/subscribe. Also, here’s 20 minutes of historical background so I can hit the algorithm’s sweet spot, but honestly you don’t need any of this to accomplish what you’re trying to do.” It’s fucking exhausting. Just ctrl+F or just scanning a blog post is wayyyy more efficient.
I fucking hate instructional videos, even if they get to the point it might still be 20min of them working when really all you want is a 15 sec chunk hidden somewhere in the middle.
They’ll be flailing around for a long time that they aren’t old until they finally realize they are. I realized it myself once the music I listened to is now considered classic.
Nirvana is to them is what the Doors were to me. It's wild.
I over heard some teens/young adults talking about a coverband, and I quote: "They cover songs from an old band, Green Day, have you heard of them?". I feel ancient. I'm only 31.
YouTube is the new cesspit. My dad's feed automatically opens to that god awful "shorts" tab, which serves him nothing but videos of conspiracy theories and far right bullshit. In the last month he's sent me clips "proving" that Anthony Fauci is a communist, that Obama is instating a new world order, George Soros is a nazi, and that the "globalists" recently opened a portal to hell in Switzerland (aka the new Gotthard train tunnel). This is in addition to the usual barrage of Glenn Beck and Jordan Peterson videos he inundates me with. Oh also global warming isn't caused by humans and slavery wasn't a big deal. We're screwed as a species.
Just a personal experience. I was watching a bunch of lectures by authors and professors on WW2 after Dan Carlin's postcast covered the Japanese Empire. I was inundated with Neo Nazi recommendations. The algorithm has a hair trigger for evil propaganda.
It’s driven by engagement stats, and the people who get into right-wing conspiracies are *the most fucking engaged* people ever. They can’t help themselves. It’s like an open bar for a bunch of alcoholics. I’ve read the psychological explanations for it, but it never gets less baffling to see people absolutely enthralled by obvious grifters preying on their tendency for mystical thinking.
You read the Authoritarians? https://theauthoritarians.org/ It was written in the Bush years but is downright prophetic. People far on the Authoritarian Spectrum's determine truth by what their in group leader says is true. Authoritarians only think about things at an extremely shallow level and easily hold contradictory ideas thay are obviously untrue. Narcissistic Sociopaths see this as an opportunity to take advantage. You say a buch of racist stuff to prove your credibility (Authoritarians tend to be right wing), then you can grift without limits as your victim's worldview is whatever you tell them. They can't think for themselves. No evidence will ever convince them otherwise.
Like holy crap #shorts is a shit show. I'm watching videos on woodworking, diy and movies. Why the fuck do I need Jordan Peterson explaining to me the only people actually oppressed are white men. I dislike and click past it but it's 4 videos until that prager shit and 4 more to some guy in a pickup with shades talking about 'getting real' I don't want any of that crap at all.
At this rate, FB will just let fake news stay as its most stable business model.
As soon as parents got FB accounts it ceased to be cool.
Yeah. Then grandparents got it which really made us gtfo
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The generation that told us not to believe everything we read, became the generation they literally believed anything they read, particularly if it so much as aligned with their world view.
Now I'm glad my grandmother couldn't use a computer.
This is exactly it, man. This is not a joke or a lie. It's literally why we all left Facebook Source: I'm 74 years old
Man, your grandparent must be really old.
Yeah but it's ok because they got the Benjamin Buttons disease
Yeah, but also fuck the TikTok format intrusion into the YouTube UI. I will fucking let. you. know. if I want to see short little irrelevant influencer videos while digging through my rabbit holes thank you very much. Hint: I don’t.
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I hate shorts because they work too well. I have found myself stuck scrolling through endless trash 5-60 second videos for HOURS without even noticing. It is specifically designed to take advantage of people like me with short attention spans and a dopamine addiction
Reminder that Facebook owns Instagram, which is still popular with the kids.
Instagram has quickly turned into a pile of hot shit, I doubt it will have the same popularity going forward. If I scroll my feed for a minute, I'll be lucky to see 2 posts from my actual friends/pages I follow. The rest are advertisements.
Facebook recently announced they're going to double the amount of AI generated suggestions fed via FB and IG, so you're going to see much less of your actual friends & pages: "Zuckerberg said that right now, about 15% of content in our Facebook feeds are served by Meta’s AI. That number is even a little bit higher on Instagram. “We expect these numbers to double by the end of next year,” he said. That means that over 30% of our feeds on Instagram and Facebook will filled with content from accounts we don’t actually follow." https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/27/instagram-feed-reels-tiktok-ai-mark-zuckerberg/
Their stock prices in 2024 are gonna fall like Icarus if they go through with that
Doubling down on the thing most people cite as driving them away is a hell of a strategy.
God it already feels like way more than that and I only pop in occasionally, can't imagine what it's like regularly. Gonna be unusable if it doubles
I hope it ends up being like bebo. Hope Facebook goes that way too. And Zuckerborg shits the bed and has to pay reparations word wide for corrupting the youth and turning anyone who uses it it to an attention seeking narcissist
Most social media in a nutshell
Ain’t it the truth. It breeds narcissistic behaviour. No wonder the world is the way it is. All social media should be gotten to fuck literally.
I'm 21 and don't even know what Bebo is
Bebo is a dead social media platform from when you were born might even have been a year older than you if it was still alive lol. We all jumped ship to Facebook. I deleted Facebook about 5 years ago
Was that before or after Friendster and MySpace?
Let me tell about Live Journal... No, Geo Cities.
How annoying is that? When this started happening I thought I got hacked, more than half my feed is from pages I don’t follow. Insanity.
Right? I could not get past two posts in a row from people I follow before being shown an ad or a stupid reel. Most of the time it was only one post surrounded by ads and suggested reels.
Wait until you can jump into the Metaverse! Where they can feed you advertisements in Virtual Reality! It’s gonna be so neat!
*Tries to swat advertisements away, which registers as interested click*
Instagram is losing popularity, TikTok has all the momentum
"Instagram is an app that allows people over 30 to watch tik tok reels" - the onion (i think) XD
I think that was reductress and it is very accurate for me.
I enjoy how we have gone from Corporate America tracking our data to allowing China to track our data.
i lol that twitter had tiktok with vines and just let it die
Twitter: “wow this format is getting popular! Let’s kill it”
We didn’t trade one for the other. Everyone/everything is tracking data now.
Instagram is seen by the kids as a old persons platform now, they're all on TikTok
Instagram is crashing too. Not quite as quickly, but a lot of influencers and similar folks are starting to leave and the ones who are still there are openly saying it sucks now. It's only a matter of time.
I enjoy and occasionally sell my photography, Instagram has just thrown us photographers under the bus. Haven't touched Insta in over a year - got a new phone and didn't bother to install it.
It's mindboggling why Instagram is chasing TikTok functions. Have they maybe considered that people use Instagram for Instagram features, and they would use TikTok for TikTok features? And people COULD use both? So fucking stupid.
> So fucking stupid. I think this is actually Meta's corporate slogan
Just say no to Facebook.
Say Yes to No to Facebook.
I don't really see how YouTube and Facebook are related enough that you could abandon one for the other I think people have just been abandoning Facebook, full stop. And if they're abandoning it in favor of something, I doubt it's YouTube
I don't think the change is as much about teens leaving Facebook, just that the younger kids aren't using it to begin with, so as they become teens, it lowers the percentages. My own child is 14, and I can't think of a single other kid his age that uses Facebook except as a means to post on the local group page to drum up business for their lawn mowing/shoveling/babysitting jobs.
I teach high school. They wouldn't be caught dead on Facebook. It's a punchline.
Is this news? Or is this internet explorer catching up?
Wait, were ANY teens using FB in the first place? My kid laughed in my face when I asked if any of his friends used it.
At the beginning it was exclusively teens and early 20 year olds. You couldn't even get an account without a verified .edu email address.
But that was about 20 years ago now those kids are middle aged
You didn't need to type that... Now get off my lawn!
It’ll happen to you!!
MySpace says hello. I still exist you know...
Tom, is that you?
I no longer use Facebook because it no longer feels right to me.
ALL. SOCIAL. MEDIA. IS. TRASH. (Typed on Reddit while I’m supposed to be working)
Anyone remember Friendster?
I deleted both, my sanity/productivity is leagues better. Now I gotta muster up enough courage to delete reddit XD
That answers that. Facebook will not be the first social network with intergenerational appeal. Can't say I'm sorry, either - Meta is the most evil tech company (although they have some close peers on that list).
Fb is full of old angry hateful people
Shit. Please don’t turn YouTube into a glorified tik tok. It’s the only thing we have left that sustains a level of integrity
They're already kinda doing this with shorts.
Shorts are so goddam annoying
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