the point of pride is history and to celebrate how far we have come. our existence was literally illegal and we were being murdered. you dont have to go. i dont make being lgbtq my whole personality but i enjoy going to pride. personally i enjoy being able to be in public with other gays and feel safe for once
if y'all don't like attention or going to pride thats great live your life! but if we never had pride movements or those fighting for us then we wouldn't exist. Marsha P Johnson fought for our rights to live and i don't intend to hide it
THIS cuz i get it, i don't like making being lgbtq my whole personality either. but i'm more than thankful for the rights old generations of lgbtq people have fought for, and i'm happy for people who are confident with who they are.
i feel like OP just doesn't like the tiniest bit of attention they get for being asexual, which can be solved by staying closeted or sth.
Exactly, I'm very thankful for my rights and the people who fought for us. I also hate it when people make being LGBTQ a personality because I could give no shits about how someone identifies but I also want to be proud of my identity.
i live in a redneck conservative town where the gay kids are jumped literally all the time. i do not feel safe here. i also live with a semi homophobic parent
okay? you can be gay and not enjoy rainbow-washing (pride month is 80% corporations pretending to care anyways), just have it be an aspect of you rather than you
the thing is it doesn't matter how I treat it.
the global standard is the rainbow colored hair they them.
if I tell someone I'm asexual their mind will go straight to that thoght.
This is a literal stereotype. Idek many people who have died their hair tbh. You can't get mad at a marginalized group of people over a stereotype that was imposed upon them, and if the other people jump to said stereotype then chances are they are an asshole who is probably convinced asexuality isn't even real in the first place, as many non queer allies genuinely believe (and non queer allies are gonna be the only ones buying into this stereotype. I genuinely know more cishet people who dye their hair unnatural colors than queer people)
as an asexual, nope lmao. its just a stereotype like any other; very rarely they might be true but the rest are nowhere near that. if you think you’re ace, call yourself ace. if you think you arent later on, call yourself not ace. its entirely about what you want to call yourself.
the closest ive ever done to the whole “rainbow hair” thing is just buying a black ring. didnt even mean anything since i just liked the ring when i bought it
"Global standard" lol that's a stereotype that exists only in very very specific parts of the world. I guarantee that significantly over half of the world does not even have the first fucking clue what asexual means, and the ones that *do* only know it because of the LGBTQ movement.
So you're just blatantly admitting to hating an entire culture. Would you say this to someone who's Chinese, someone who's Nigerian, someone's who's Navajo? and tell them that you hate their culture?
I find it ironic that you're ranting about this when they are fighting for YOUR freedom lol.
They're just fighting to live freely without any discrimination. I have gay friends and they are so chill, no one should live in fear of who they are.
Yes it succeeded, that's why my state outlawed my existence from public spaces and I can go to jail for not conforming. You are so entitled and ignorant for saying this and people like you is why people like me fear for my life for having the audacity to exist.
I also live in the US, in this part of the country to say you are gay would make most people here hate you and say mean things if youre lucky. And I'm not from the south I'm from Ohio, a 'swing' state
succeeded?! this years pride month was full of nothing but hate for the LGBT community and if project 2025 succeeds , all of our rights will be stripped away. while yes , this community has come a very far way , that doesn't mean that we can't celebrate ourselves and continue to strive.
ok? Im sorry there are LGBT people that make you uncomfortable but if you'd make an attempt to engage in the community people are actually very chill. I mean these people are the ones who are trying to normalize people like you, and yet you are attacking them? And on what basis even, they are just different from you and therefore you don't like it? This is literally what you say here. And I would like to point out that there are plenty of straight people who make being straight a huge part of their personality, my dad is constatnly talking about women he finds attractive ad nauseum when it isn't even relevant. Yet I see absolutely no one call out people like this, ever. Instead you choose to attack people who are just trying to express themselves in a society which is actively hostile to them at every turn.
I read like half of that and no I'm not attacking anyone. idk if they are "chill", they bring stereotypes to the phenomenon of just not being straight in which they believe everyone should accept
So you, didn't read it all? This is genuinely confusing because if you had simply read it you wouldn't be saying this. But I'll say it again, I guess. Actually speak to people in the community. Stop stereotyping people. I genuinely do not even know many if any queer people irl who dye their hair unnatural colors. I know more non queer people who do that actually. This is a stereotype imposed upon them by people who hate them and want to mock them. If you spent any time actually talking to queer people you would realize this. I'm sorry we have a bad stereotype against us? This is a weird thing for you to get mad at us over I mean every group has stereotypes. This is such a weird thing for you to care about
read like a quarter of that and yeah you may not know many people like that but they are the ones who stick out from the crowd and creates the stereotypes.
Dude if you aren't going to read what i say you have no right to respond I am not repeating myself again you are missing the point completely and have no clue what Im even saying ebcause you wont read it, seriously I think youre just trolling me now
these takes always come from queer people in conservative environments who are ashamed of who they are. news flash: disassociating yourself from other publicly queer people doesn’t make you “one of the good ones.” homophobic cishets still won’t like you lil bro
At this point I don’t think people can tell the difference between social media and real life like the majority of the LGBQ just wants rights but this is just like everything else where people see a couple people do wrong and thous everyone who looks, acts, or just anything in common is also blamed “allright they succeeded movement over they can stop now” that’s a comment you left but you are so uneducated that you don’t realize that isn’t true? Being gay is still banned in many places gay people still fear for their lives if anyone finds out.
Correct! I have two friends who are furries both of which are disgusted by Zoophiles and just adore the outfits and conventions I hate how people judge others based on a few rotten apples
do you honestly think I was expecting anything else?
and this kind of proves my point.
like you can't criticize lgbtq because they are so so different I guess.
in some places lgbtq will always be legal, even if pride movement and shit goes away.
and in some places it will always be illegal.
as of right now, these movements change nothing.
If you read queer theory, there is a very large segment of the population that thinks being normal is fundamentally wrong and so intentionally agitates to ensure said groups do not become seen as "normal"
Sure!
There is a subset of people who usually identify as queer who do so because they believe normality is wrong.
To them, anyone who is normal has had their personality overruled by society.
Therefore they believe that they have a moral duty to ensure that gay people and trans people are not normalized. For instance, in the past people may have been shocked when their son came out as gay, and seen that as weird.
If being gay is normalized and accepted, then it becomes just another part of society, and is no longer particularly interesting or remarkable. They see this as a bad thing.
It’s fine if you don’t want to celebrate pride month but getting mad at people for wanting to celebrate pride is like being upset at black people for celebrating Juneteenth because “slavery is over so stop making it your whole personality” and there are people who go overboard at pride but that’s a small percent. Using a handful of people who do things you don’t like to make an assumption about an entire group is wrong. It’s not just about being gay and proud it’s also about honoring the people who died and risked their lives so the LGBTQ community could have rights. You wouldn’t get mad at people for celebrating veterans or Memorial Day.
Let me tldr it for you most LGBTQ people don’t make it their personality and celebrating pride isn’t all about partying but honoring the people who die and risked their lives so they could have rights just like veterans and Memorial Day
I completely agree. I keep questioning if I’m into women (lesbian), and like men romantically, or I’m just bi. But the problem is people are making it a whole big thing when the whole point is to make it not a big deal.
i had this issue pre hrt where i had physically interest in girls but romantic interest in boys, the longer i've been on hrt, the less interested i got in grils and now im both romanticly and physically attracted to boys
The execution is just bad is what I think, like it's supposed to be "lgbt individuals are human too" but all it seems to do is make ppl hate the gays more at this point
As someone not involved in the whole pride month thing (I'm obviously not homophobic, I just treat them as normal people with no special thoughts or considerations) it is a bit in your face (especially the corporate side of it. Like why is apple trying to show they care when they're not doing it in the middle east where it's actually needed.) so I can see why lots of people don't really think it's necessary in the west.
I know plenty of people who are queer but don't make it their whole thing, you might not even know if you saw them every day. if you think you're ace you can be ace and not make it a giant thing.
saying that as an asexual is so bizarre because i feel like asexuals are one of the most alienated people of the lgbt community! leave people alone and let them do what they want fr. your stereotypes are SO damaging.
Dude... What part of what he said is hateful? He just said he doesnt want to be associated with the LGBTQ movement, he never said "I hate the gays and I want them to die" or smth like that
not the og commenter, but
This point probably takes from the public perception of queer people, who are seen as weak and sensitive, implying that the LGBT community is not welcoming. Those people are
1. And outspoken minority amongst queer people and
2. Should not be the poster children for us (I and many of my friends are Queer, and are not only extremely socially aware/intelligent, but also extremely welcoming and friendly people. I have met 10X more normal queer people that I have “SJW‘s”
Tbh. Agreed. Another guy commented that a straight couple did that too. But in the end. Fucking in public is inherently pedophilic cause children could see it. Pedophiles need to die. Painfully.
No, people call you a bigot because most homophobes don't speak about these issues. They just hate the community in general.
I agree that exposing yourself to kids is disgusting, but that usually not the reason people hate and you know it.
That's a problem as well.
But I think their point was that this was being done with a lot of people around and police. I swear to god if a woman was giving some dude a blowjob in public in front of tons of people I'd clobber the two of them right then and there.
Yk. After taking other peoples words into consideration. What I said applies to the general public. Gay, straight, whatever. If you fuck in public. YOU should fuckin die
why are u talking like a homophobe? pride parade isn't perverted gay ppl running around like animals. straight people can be allies. there are always ppl who don't want to see regardless of the event. idk where you live or how you got the idea but i hope you realize what pride actually means
did you skim over the naked people part? 💀
i was genuinely like i did not know that happened at pride parades but if that's actually going on it could make pride *look* like a joke.
as in people are treating it like a joke.
i don't think you should call them a homophobe simply because pride is a “joke” in their town. people have different perspectives.
Thinking pride month is a joke is different from being an homophobe. I love my alphabet ppl friends, but a whole month for it is just pointless. Like, we have more important things to have entire months about
Eh I've found people in that moment to some of the nicest people I've ever met. Also being queer does often make you different in more ways than who your dating who you want to be and what your different from them. Also most people apart of the community don't care how you present yourself as long as your happy and you don't actively try to hurt people
It’s about celebrating being true to who you really are as human so yea it’s gonna be about being different. Not to hard to understand. Dumbass opinion.
Well that would be because dumbasses like you. It’s not too hard to understand. You just don’t want to or are afraid to and that’s sad. So you can live your miserable life and I will enjoy my culture.
It's just like international women's day, but an entire month, idk why
You're kinda right being anything that's not straight/cis is very glorified and there's plenty of people appropriating the labels, when they don't actually belong to it. That's social media.
If there was a single LGBT day to celebrate martyrs I would love to be a part of it, but if my entire city suddenly morphs for an entire month then that's when it starts putting me off from the whole movement.
Like I love all those days commemorating things like the holocaust, the fight for womens rights, the fight for slavery, etc. I personally think those were not any less important then the fight for LGBTQ+ rights so I don't see why it has an entire month.
Women’s history month (March) and black history month (February) exist. Don’t use other important movements in the fight for equality to put this one down. They’re all important, and there’s space for the LGBTQ community to celebrate how far they’ve come and how far we have left to go.
Also, there are LGBTQ people across other minorities? Like, there are Jewish, black, and female queer people. Lifting up one community doesn’t mean another is being dragged down.
To add on, Asian/Pacific Islander Heritage month in May, autism awareness month in April (while not as much of a struggle as the others mentioned, awareness for people on the autism spectrum is still a fifth to been seen as equal to everyone else that has had their rights)
Yes I agree. I don't know why it has a month either, but honestly it doesn't bother me so I just move on. I like it though because it's a place to meet other lesbians
Yeah ig it doesn't really matter that much. It might get a bit annoying since I live in london and more often then not it causes lots of delays but doesn't really affect me further then that.
Obviously the LGBT movement is not working if people like you still can’t let them be. The whole point of it is not to alienate themselves or others, but to make people more aware of people who are LGBT and celebrate them as people. Also, it might just be me, but it seems as though hating on queer people might just be your whole personality(or cars, which should be your only personality).
once I approached someone and referred to him as “they” and he was like “excuse me i go by he/him pronouns, i can’t believe you!” then a rumor floated around i was transphobic for the rest of my time at that school 😭😭
like i 100% agree we should be accepted and celebrated , but everyone’s gotta understand it doesn’t come naturally to everyone. if someone assumes your gender/sexuality the first time meeting you, maybe don’t take it so personally? (coming from a bisexual teen)
also i do think some people make their sexuality/gender orientation their whole personality. this isn’t limited to the lgbt community tho. i know so many people that are adamant about saying how straight/cis they are and i know people that say the same thing about the opposite. if all you do is talk about your sexuality, it’s honestly repetitive and tiring. again not just for queer people.
remove everything you and everyone else just said from your brain and listen up real close:
*they want you too.*
you’re not safe, bro. they don’t just want gay people or bi people or trans people, no, believe me half the damn usa would voluntarily shove you in a fuckhouse and make you reproduce endlessly for their own “gain” and you think you’re safe? not a chance
sorry if that got dark but maybe you need it to understand that this pride movement is about you too - it exists for a reason. we’re fighting for our and your rights and it’s okay if you don’t want to join the fight but don’t go making a post like this as if it doesn’t affect you because, as much as you wish that were true and we all do as well, it does affect you
this is from a fellow ace person
I just read through this warzone of a comment section and all I'll say is I respect it
it's how you feel and your opinions are relevant just as much as everyone else's so I respect it 👍
GOOD FUCKING POINT
this thing of being UNABLE TO DELIVER CRITICISM like AT ALL to lgbtq people is just horrible and makes em more vulnerable targets.
don't like trans people? BANNED
don't fuck with lgbtq? BANNED
like chill
That's like saying "I don't like Black people" and expecting people to hear you out and listen to your opinion.
You hear how deluded that sounds? You hating a group of people for fighting for their rights is plain dumb, especially so when they are fighting for your sake 😂
Depends on where you asking. Globally? Aside from Western Countries, LGBTQ have it the worst.
But even in Western Society, its not necessarily the rights that are the issue, its society in general. Imagine just walking the street and you get attacked. Or have shit thrown at you or having people give you dirty look, all while minding ur business.
I've seen it happen alot.
In the west, they don’t have *great* access to GAC (gender affirming care). In the UK people wait years, sometimes up to a decade for HRT (hormone replacement therapy)
527 anti LGBT laws have been proposed in the US and even though they dont always get passed (TOO MANY DO), sometimes I feel the only point is to stir the crowd against trans people, as most is bathroom bills.
It’s illegal to be LGBT in these counties (most are, guess what, against trans people the most)
AFGHANISTAN
ALGERIA
BANGLADESH
BRUNEI
BURUNDI
CAMEROON
CHAD
COMOROS
EGYPT
ERITREA
ESWATINI
ETHIOPIA
GHANA
GRENADA
GUINEA
GUYANA
INDONESIA
IRAN
IRAQ
JAMAICA
KENYA
KIRIBATI
KUWAIT
LEBANON
LIBERIA
LIBYA
MALAWI
MALAYSIA
MALDIVES
MAURITANIA
MOROCCO
MYANMAR
NAMIBIA
NIGERIA
OMAN
PAKISTAN
PALESTINE
PAPUA-NEW-GUINEA
QATAR
RUSSIA
SAINT-LUCIA
SAINT-VINCENT-AND-THE-GRENADINES
SAMOA
SAUDI ARABIA
SENEGAL
SIERRA LEONE
SOLOMON-ISLANDS
SOMALIA
SOUTH SUDAN
SRI-LANKA
SUDAN
SYRIA
TANZANIA
THE-GAMBIA
TOGO
TONGA
TUNISIA
TURKMENISTAN
TUVALU
UGANDA
UNITED-ARAB-EMIRATES
UZBEKISTAN
YEMEN
ZAMBIA
ZIMBABWE
You're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that people aren't forced to hear it.
ETA: I like having places that aren't hateful. I like this space and hope that is is not hateful.
I am saying that shutting down speech because you are offended by it is a really stupid thing to do.
IDGAF if you think you are an attack helicopter or whatever, I really don't care. But what I do care about is the purity spiral that is generated when the Overton window shrinks.
with you, though I'm trans not ace and im just as frustrated, i just want to be left alone and not forced into all this stuff. whe i say i'm just going to be me over here, you do what you want, i get branded a traitor. honestly, pride was a mistake
if people tell you you're a traitor, then they're wrong. not all lgbtq people have to wear pride flags just because it's pride month. celebration and commemoration can come in other ways and it's their fault if they think that way
Idk about you guys but my school basically makes ppl gay atp, they literally pushing this stuff on everyone. Pride month is good but here in Canada, every month is pride month.
I understand how you feel, I'm a straight trans guy who just wants to be seen as a man and not a **man. If that makes sense. I know this doesn't do much to help but my DMs are open if u want to talk to someone who understands. being asexual or gay or trans or literally any sexuality is quite insignificant. The only person that absolutely needs to know about you possibly being asexual is your romantic partner.
Well I mean if you feel you don't belong to LGBTQ that's completely fine their are gay, lesbians, bi, asexual people that don't identify with the LGBTQ
I mean sure but I honestly doubt the LGBT movement is going to help individuals that live in such countries, it's not like protests, debates and other actions are going to change the countries perspective, not at least for a very long time, I myself live in a peaceful country for that stuff but when I was asexual I didn't identify with the LGBT.
Look up stonewall
the point of pride is history and to celebrate how far we have come. our existence was literally illegal and we were being murdered. you dont have to go. i dont make being lgbtq my whole personality but i enjoy going to pride. personally i enjoy being able to be in public with other gays and feel safe for once
if y'all don't like attention or going to pride thats great live your life! but if we never had pride movements or those fighting for us then we wouldn't exist. Marsha P Johnson fought for our rights to live and i don't intend to hide it
perioddd. people died for my right to exist and i will continue to celebrate their lives
THIS cuz i get it, i don't like making being lgbtq my whole personality either. but i'm more than thankful for the rights old generations of lgbtq people have fought for, and i'm happy for people who are confident with who they are. i feel like OP just doesn't like the tiniest bit of attention they get for being asexual, which can be solved by staying closeted or sth.
Exactly, I'm very thankful for my rights and the people who fought for us. I also hate it when people make being LGBTQ a personality because I could give no shits about how someone identifies but I also want to be proud of my identity.
Feel safe as if you were born in the 1970s where gays were hated...
i live in a redneck conservative town where the gay kids are jumped literally all the time. i do not feel safe here. i also live with a semi homophobic parent
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okay? you can be gay and not enjoy rainbow-washing (pride month is 80% corporations pretending to care anyways), just have it be an aspect of you rather than you
the thing is it doesn't matter how I treat it. the global standard is the rainbow colored hair they them. if I tell someone I'm asexual their mind will go straight to that thoght.
no? most people just add it to the things you are, it’s just the vocal minority who see people in that light
This is a literal stereotype. Idek many people who have died their hair tbh. You can't get mad at a marginalized group of people over a stereotype that was imposed upon them, and if the other people jump to said stereotype then chances are they are an asshole who is probably convinced asexuality isn't even real in the first place, as many non queer allies genuinely believe (and non queer allies are gonna be the only ones buying into this stereotype. I genuinely know more cishet people who dye their hair unnatural colors than queer people)
as an asexual, nope lmao. its just a stereotype like any other; very rarely they might be true but the rest are nowhere near that. if you think you’re ace, call yourself ace. if you think you arent later on, call yourself not ace. its entirely about what you want to call yourself. the closest ive ever done to the whole “rainbow hair” thing is just buying a black ring. didnt even mean anything since i just liked the ring when i bought it
"Global standard" lol that's a stereotype that exists only in very very specific parts of the world. I guarantee that significantly over half of the world does not even have the first fucking clue what asexual means, and the ones that *do* only know it because of the LGBTQ movement.
so then dont make it your whole personality
I'm ace as well, but as others explained, it's just showing our improvement in society with open-mindedness.
We are all human
"i'm asexual but i hate queer people and queer culture" Maybe you should think twice before shitting on an entire culture and group of people
nah I hate the culture. the fact you called it a culture, like it's just people being not straight. nothing special. let us be.
So you're just blatantly admitting to hating an entire culture. Would you say this to someone who's Chinese, someone who's Nigerian, someone's who's Navajo? and tell them that you hate their culture?
no, I'd only say it to lgbtq
So you're just queerphobic
ok
it is a culture tho, like yeah its people being not straight, but we were killed for that and banded together because of it, Queer culture is a thing.
You clearly don't know what a culture is.
I find it ironic that you're ranting about this when they are fighting for YOUR freedom lol. They're just fighting to live freely without any discrimination. I have gay friends and they are so chill, no one should live in fear of who they are.
allright they succeeded movement over they can stop now
Succeeded how? They won't stop until they aren't seen like aliens by society, which is completely reasonable.
When the fuck did it succeed? It's still illegal to be gay in 50+ countries.
Yes it succeeded, that's why my state outlawed my existence from public spaces and I can go to jail for not conforming. You are so entitled and ignorant for saying this and people like you is why people like me fear for my life for having the audacity to exist.
They probably just came from the US where being gay is like saying you breathe air
I also live in the US, in this part of the country to say you are gay would make most people here hate you and say mean things if youre lucky. And I'm not from the south I'm from Ohio, a 'swing' state
succeeded?! this years pride month was full of nothing but hate for the LGBT community and if project 2025 succeeds , all of our rights will be stripped away. while yes , this community has come a very far way , that doesn't mean that we can't celebrate ourselves and continue to strive.
It's not a success yet. Discrimination based on sexual orientation is still a huge problem basically everywhere.
and pride events on places where it is in fact legal to be gay won't change the fact that it's illegal somewhere else.
ok? Im sorry there are LGBT people that make you uncomfortable but if you'd make an attempt to engage in the community people are actually very chill. I mean these people are the ones who are trying to normalize people like you, and yet you are attacking them? And on what basis even, they are just different from you and therefore you don't like it? This is literally what you say here. And I would like to point out that there are plenty of straight people who make being straight a huge part of their personality, my dad is constatnly talking about women he finds attractive ad nauseum when it isn't even relevant. Yet I see absolutely no one call out people like this, ever. Instead you choose to attack people who are just trying to express themselves in a society which is actively hostile to them at every turn.
I read like half of that and no I'm not attacking anyone. idk if they are "chill", they bring stereotypes to the phenomenon of just not being straight in which they believe everyone should accept
So you, didn't read it all? This is genuinely confusing because if you had simply read it you wouldn't be saying this. But I'll say it again, I guess. Actually speak to people in the community. Stop stereotyping people. I genuinely do not even know many if any queer people irl who dye their hair unnatural colors. I know more non queer people who do that actually. This is a stereotype imposed upon them by people who hate them and want to mock them. If you spent any time actually talking to queer people you would realize this. I'm sorry we have a bad stereotype against us? This is a weird thing for you to get mad at us over I mean every group has stereotypes. This is such a weird thing for you to care about
read like a quarter of that and yeah you may not know many people like that but they are the ones who stick out from the crowd and creates the stereotypes.
Dude if you aren't going to read what i say you have no right to respond I am not repeating myself again you are missing the point completely and have no clue what Im even saying ebcause you wont read it, seriously I think youre just trolling me now
read like an eight of that and maybe if you type less I will read it???
yeah at this point I'm just fucking with you
these takes always come from queer people in conservative environments who are ashamed of who they are. news flash: disassociating yourself from other publicly queer people doesn’t make you “one of the good ones.” homophobic cishets still won’t like you lil bro
what?
At this point I don’t think people can tell the difference between social media and real life like the majority of the LGBQ just wants rights but this is just like everything else where people see a couple people do wrong and thous everyone who looks, acts, or just anything in common is also blamed “allright they succeeded movement over they can stop now” that’s a comment you left but you are so uneducated that you don’t realize that isn’t true? Being gay is still banned in many places gay people still fear for their lives if anyone finds out.
kinda the same thing for furries. they are generally chill, but the few really weird ones spoil the public's view
Correct! I have two friends who are furries both of which are disgusted by Zoophiles and just adore the outfits and conventions I hate how people judge others based on a few rotten apples
That comment-to-upvote ratio really says something. And OP should be ashamed.
do you honestly think I was expecting anything else? and this kind of proves my point. like you can't criticize lgbtq because they are so so different I guess.
Kinda funny how you seem to dislike the people who are preventing you from having your freedoms taken away.
in some places lgbtq will always be legal, even if pride movement and shit goes away. and in some places it will always be illegal. as of right now, these movements change nothing.
"In some places it will always be legal" Project 2025.
Google "solidarity." There is a difference between criticizing a group and actively denouncing them bc you find some of them "weird"
Nah OPs based af
If you read queer theory, there is a very large segment of the population that thinks being normal is fundamentally wrong and so intentionally agitates to ensure said groups do not become seen as "normal"
can you define normal
Usual, unremarkable, non-exotic.
i’m sorry but your previous comment is super confusing to me, if you can is it okay if you could dumb it down a bit please
Sure! There is a subset of people who usually identify as queer who do so because they believe normality is wrong. To them, anyone who is normal has had their personality overruled by society. Therefore they believe that they have a moral duty to ensure that gay people and trans people are not normalized. For instance, in the past people may have been shocked when their son came out as gay, and seen that as weird. If being gay is normalized and accepted, then it becomes just another part of society, and is no longer particularly interesting or remarkable. They see this as a bad thing.
ah i see now. imo that is not good
Can you send me a link to that text?
I honestly don't remember what it was, I saw it a while ago. But if you look into Marcuse or Queer Marxism you should be able to find those ideas.
“Queer Marxism”. That’s a new term for me.
It's definitely a rabbit hole
It’s fine if you don’t want to celebrate pride month but getting mad at people for wanting to celebrate pride is like being upset at black people for celebrating Juneteenth because “slavery is over so stop making it your whole personality” and there are people who go overboard at pride but that’s a small percent. Using a handful of people who do things you don’t like to make an assumption about an entire group is wrong. It’s not just about being gay and proud it’s also about honoring the people who died and risked their lives so the LGBTQ community could have rights. You wouldn’t get mad at people for celebrating veterans or Memorial Day.
read half of that, and black people don't make slavery their personality. not a single one of em. also blm parades consist of mostly white people
Let me tldr it for you most LGBTQ people don’t make it their personality and celebrating pride isn’t all about partying but honoring the people who die and risked their lives so they could have rights just like veterans and Memorial Day
Everything’s worse because of it if it weren’t for them and Reddit I probably wouldn’t hate some of the things I do
I completely agree. I keep questioning if I’m into women (lesbian), and like men romantically, or I’m just bi. But the problem is people are making it a whole big thing when the whole point is to make it not a big deal.
i had this issue pre hrt where i had physically interest in girls but romantic interest in boys, the longer i've been on hrt, the less interested i got in grils and now im both romanticly and physically attracted to boys
Um.. what’s hrt?
hormone replacement therapy, its how trans people transition.
Ah I see
bro is upset that people be... forming groups and hanging out and going to events and stuff... lmao
The execution is just bad is what I think, like it's supposed to be "lgbt individuals are human too" but all it seems to do is make ppl hate the gays more at this point
Not really, that hate already exists and it's resentment that makes the hate increase, it's basically "GOD I HATE THAT YOU GET TO EXIST"
As someone not involved in the whole pride month thing (I'm obviously not homophobic, I just treat them as normal people with no special thoughts or considerations) it is a bit in your face (especially the corporate side of it. Like why is apple trying to show they care when they're not doing it in the middle east where it's actually needed.) so I can see why lots of people don't really think it's necessary in the west.
most people dont make it there personality, also, just dont make it your personality
yep but those are the ones that stick out amongst the crowd and becomes the stereotype for the rest.
so ignore them, theyre a small amount of the actual movement
The people that do that is just a loud minority.
The pride event in STL is cool, but its also filled with the same type of people that you talk about.
I know plenty of people who are queer but don't make it their whole thing, you might not even know if you saw them every day. if you think you're ace you can be ace and not make it a giant thing.
saying that as an asexual is so bizarre because i feel like asexuals are one of the most alienated people of the lgbt community! leave people alone and let them do what they want fr. your stereotypes are SO damaging.
wait so you stereotyped and then said that the stereotypes where damaging
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i agree with everything you said except for the fact that you put sexuality in quotes. :(
I am not speaking for your community matter of fact I don't even wanna associate with your community at all that's my entire point
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not spreading or encouraging hate. just stating my point of view.
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I'm saying that even being not straight I still don't fuck with lgbtq. I don't hate them. there is no hate speech. I just told my view, being who I am
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Dude... What part of what he said is hateful? He just said he doesnt want to be associated with the LGBTQ movement, he never said "I hate the gays and I want them to die" or smth like that
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Let's really break this down... How accepting really is the LGBTQ community, hmm? How accepting is it really?
not the og commenter, but This point probably takes from the public perception of queer people, who are seen as weak and sensitive, implying that the LGBT community is not welcoming. Those people are 1. And outspoken minority amongst queer people and 2. Should not be the poster children for us (I and many of my friends are Queer, and are not only extremely socially aware/intelligent, but also extremely welcoming and friendly people. I have met 10X more normal queer people that I have “SJW‘s”
look how fast we got dogpiled for desenting opinions, they only accept you if you toe the line
Lil homie is literally ace bro, tf u on
I don’t mind pride, but come on I saw a vid where another guy gave another a bj at a festival. OUT IN THE FUCKINNG OPEN THERES KIDS THERE
A small percent doesn't represent an entire community. That is what we call generalization my friend.
Tbh. Agreed. Another guy commented that a straight couple did that too. But in the end. Fucking in public is inherently pedophilic cause children could see it. Pedophiles need to die. Painfully.
Yeah but it is a problem that there is no surveillance in places where things like this are pretty frequent
Oh 100%. I agree. But keep in mind this is frequent for us straights as well (not us just saying in general).
Who told you I’m straight?
accept when you try and call these things out, your the one that gets expelled for being a bigot....
No, people call you a bigot because most homophobes don't speak about these issues. They just hate the community in general. I agree that exposing yourself to kids is disgusting, but that usually not the reason people hate and you know it.
Meanie Weanie
no shit
I could saw a video of a girl giving a guy head in public. Holy shit guys what are we gonna do about the straight people problem?
That's a problem as well. But I think their point was that this was being done with a lot of people around and police. I swear to god if a woman was giving some dude a blowjob in public in front of tons of people I'd clobber the two of them right then and there.
Dude if was a joke. The point is those two people are dumb. But it doesn’t paint an accurate representation of the minority they are apart of.
Give them a 1-2 special
Holy crap y'k they mentioned a straight couple and a gay couple were both doing it and both were wrong for it!
I can’t tell if your adding to it or not. But just to be clear the original comment was a joke.
im autistic but public nudity at least in America is illegal for BOTH straights and lgbt+ or at least i thought it was 💀
Oh it is my original post is a joke on how two people shouldn’t dictate an entire sexuality. I should maybe add like quotes or even 🤮”/s”
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Yk. After taking other peoples words into consideration. What I said applies to the general public. Gay, straight, whatever. If you fuck in public. YOU should fuckin die
That's what i'm saying‼️‼️
some people have no respect for your opinion…
welcome to the internet
OP you have my respect
I’m bi and I think pride month is a joke
.. stonewall?
Holy shit you believed all of the rightwing propoganda
why are u talking like a homophobe? pride parade isn't perverted gay ppl running around like animals. straight people can be allies. there are always ppl who don't want to see regardless of the event. idk where you live or how you got the idea but i hope you realize what pride actually means
did you skim over the naked people part? 💀 i was genuinely like i did not know that happened at pride parades but if that's actually going on it could make pride *look* like a joke. as in people are treating it like a joke. i don't think you should call them a homophobe simply because pride is a “joke” in their town. people have different perspectives.
I agree with you, but there's also certain aspects of queer culture that do encourage things like that which is where I think the problem is.
Thinking pride month is a joke is different from being an homophobe. I love my alphabet ppl friends, but a whole month for it is just pointless. Like, we have more important things to have entire months about
Eh I've found people in that moment to some of the nicest people I've ever met. Also being queer does often make you different in more ways than who your dating who you want to be and what your different from them. Also most people apart of the community don't care how you present yourself as long as your happy and you don't actively try to hurt people
I am trying to find the problem here cuz there doesn't seem to be one
Bruh! I was reading that! Mods straight up deleted this as I was reading it. WTF
It’s about celebrating being true to who you really are as human so yea it’s gonna be about being different. Not to hard to understand. Dumbass opinion.
so is the goal to be different or to fit in?
Neither. It’s to celebrate who people are as people and the history and culture. Not about being different or fitting in.
well it's not having that effect is it
Well that would be because dumbasses like you. It’s not too hard to understand. You just don’t want to or are afraid to and that’s sad. So you can live your miserable life and I will enjoy my culture.
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I’m straight asf but facts
It's just like international women's day, but an entire month, idk why You're kinda right being anything that's not straight/cis is very glorified and there's plenty of people appropriating the labels, when they don't actually belong to it. That's social media.
If there was a single LGBT day to celebrate martyrs I would love to be a part of it, but if my entire city suddenly morphs for an entire month then that's when it starts putting me off from the whole movement. Like I love all those days commemorating things like the holocaust, the fight for womens rights, the fight for slavery, etc. I personally think those were not any less important then the fight for LGBTQ+ rights so I don't see why it has an entire month.
Women’s history month (March) and black history month (February) exist. Don’t use other important movements in the fight for equality to put this one down. They’re all important, and there’s space for the LGBTQ community to celebrate how far they’ve come and how far we have left to go. Also, there are LGBTQ people across other minorities? Like, there are Jewish, black, and female queer people. Lifting up one community doesn’t mean another is being dragged down.
To add on, Asian/Pacific Islander Heritage month in May, autism awareness month in April (while not as much of a struggle as the others mentioned, awareness for people on the autism spectrum is still a fifth to been seen as equal to everyone else that has had their rights)
Yes I agree. I don't know why it has a month either, but honestly it doesn't bother me so I just move on. I like it though because it's a place to meet other lesbians
Yeah ig it doesn't really matter that much. It might get a bit annoying since I live in london and more often then not it causes lots of delays but doesn't really affect me further then that.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i think u lack logic thinking capacity skills
Acho q é tu mermao
Respect.
Obviously the LGBT movement is not working if people like you still can’t let them be. The whole point of it is not to alienate themselves or others, but to make people more aware of people who are LGBT and celebrate them as people. Also, it might just be me, but it seems as though hating on queer people might just be your whole personality(or cars, which should be your only personality).
once I approached someone and referred to him as “they” and he was like “excuse me i go by he/him pronouns, i can’t believe you!” then a rumor floated around i was transphobic for the rest of my time at that school 😭😭 like i 100% agree we should be accepted and celebrated , but everyone’s gotta understand it doesn’t come naturally to everyone. if someone assumes your gender/sexuality the first time meeting you, maybe don’t take it so personally? (coming from a bisexual teen) also i do think some people make their sexuality/gender orientation their whole personality. this isn’t limited to the lgbt community tho. i know so many people that are adamant about saying how straight/cis they are and i know people that say the same thing about the opposite. if all you do is talk about your sexuality, it’s honestly repetitive and tiring. again not just for queer people.
"I'm not like the other girls!"
remove everything you and everyone else just said from your brain and listen up real close: *they want you too.* you’re not safe, bro. they don’t just want gay people or bi people or trans people, no, believe me half the damn usa would voluntarily shove you in a fuckhouse and make you reproduce endlessly for their own “gain” and you think you’re safe? not a chance sorry if that got dark but maybe you need it to understand that this pride movement is about you too - it exists for a reason. we’re fighting for our and your rights and it’s okay if you don’t want to join the fight but don’t go making a post like this as if it doesn’t affect you because, as much as you wish that were true and we all do as well, it does affect you this is from a fellow ace person
I just read through this warzone of a comment section and all I'll say is I respect it it's how you feel and your opinions are relevant just as much as everyone else's so I respect it 👍
I don't think I'm allowed to agree (I'm straight), so take my upvote haha.
GOOD FUCKING POINT this thing of being UNABLE TO DELIVER CRITICISM like AT ALL to lgbtq people is just horrible and makes em more vulnerable targets. don't like trans people? BANNED don't fuck with lgbtq? BANNED like chill
That's like saying "I don't like Black people" and expecting people to hear you out and listen to your opinion. You hear how deluded that sounds? You hating a group of people for fighting for their rights is plain dumb, especially so when they are fighting for your sake 😂
Genuine question; What rights do Non Trans people have compared to trans? I have really always wondered cause I’m a dumbass 😅
Depends on where you asking. Globally? Aside from Western Countries, LGBTQ have it the worst. But even in Western Society, its not necessarily the rights that are the issue, its society in general. Imagine just walking the street and you get attacked. Or have shit thrown at you or having people give you dirty look, all while minding ur business. I've seen it happen alot.
In the west, they don’t have *great* access to GAC (gender affirming care). In the UK people wait years, sometimes up to a decade for HRT (hormone replacement therapy) 527 anti LGBT laws have been proposed in the US and even though they dont always get passed (TOO MANY DO), sometimes I feel the only point is to stir the crowd against trans people, as most is bathroom bills. It’s illegal to be LGBT in these counties (most are, guess what, against trans people the most) AFGHANISTAN ALGERIA BANGLADESH BRUNEI BURUNDI CAMEROON CHAD COMOROS EGYPT ERITREA ESWATINI ETHIOPIA GHANA GRENADA GUINEA GUYANA INDONESIA IRAN IRAQ JAMAICA KENYA KIRIBATI KUWAIT LEBANON LIBERIA LIBYA MALAWI MALAYSIA MALDIVES MAURITANIA MOROCCO MYANMAR NAMIBIA NIGERIA OMAN PAKISTAN PALESTINE PAPUA-NEW-GUINEA QATAR RUSSIA SAINT-LUCIA SAINT-VINCENT-AND-THE-GRENADINES SAMOA SAUDI ARABIA SENEGAL SIERRA LEONE SOLOMON-ISLANDS SOMALIA SOUTH SUDAN SRI-LANKA SUDAN SYRIA TANZANIA THE-GAMBIA TOGO TONGA TUNISIA TURKMENISTAN TUVALU UGANDA UNITED-ARAB-EMIRATES UZBEKISTAN YEMEN ZAMBIA ZIMBABWE
Tbf in the UK everyone waits years for everything. The NHS is fucked rn.
no, criticising people whose actions have a negative impact on you is fair game, stop stawmaning
What negative impact does it have on you snowflake? Aw you're such a victim
Yeah nope. If you refuse to support my existence, I don't think I should have to hear you. Hot take? Don't think so.
don’t take criticism from whom you wouldn’t take advice. it’s rly that simple.
Nobody on reddit is forcing you to listen
You're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that people aren't forced to hear it. ETA: I like having places that aren't hateful. I like this space and hope that is is not hateful.
I am saying that shutting down speech because you are offended by it is a really stupid thing to do. IDGAF if you think you are an attack helicopter or whatever, I really don't care. But what I do care about is the purity spiral that is generated when the Overton window shrinks.
with you, though I'm trans not ace and im just as frustrated, i just want to be left alone and not forced into all this stuff. whe i say i'm just going to be me over here, you do what you want, i get branded a traitor. honestly, pride was a mistake
if people tell you you're a traitor, then they're wrong. not all lgbtq people have to wear pride flags just because it's pride month. celebration and commemoration can come in other ways and it's their fault if they think that way
Pride was not a mistake, it was a riot :3
CORRECT!! I totally agree with you. The only thing which I don’t agree is that there are more reasons cause Pride is horrible Ps I’m ace too
Idk about you guys but my school basically makes ppl gay atp, they literally pushing this stuff on everyone. Pride month is good but here in Canada, every month is pride month.
You can’t make people gay. Not how it works.
Now it is, people do it for attention sometimes, not being mean but it’s literally true
Then that doesn’t mean they’re actually gay. They’re just… faking it. You CANNOT make people actually gay.
Based
I understand how you feel, I'm a straight trans guy who just wants to be seen as a man and not a **man. If that makes sense. I know this doesn't do much to help but my DMs are open if u want to talk to someone who understands. being asexual or gay or trans or literally any sexuality is quite insignificant. The only person that absolutely needs to know about you possibly being asexual is your romantic partner.
Well I mean if you feel you don't belong to LGBTQ that's completely fine their are gay, lesbians, bi, asexual people that don't identify with the LGBTQ
WHAT
SAY THAT AGAIN
Wdym?
what does lgbtq stand for my guy
Some people aren't part of the LGBT despite that, it's a movement not some club where you're immediately included.
Doesn't matter if u identify with lgbtq or not, still gonna be murdered in some countries for existing. Might as well try to get your right to exist.
I mean sure but I honestly doubt the LGBT movement is going to help individuals that live in such countries, it's not like protests, debates and other actions are going to change the countries perspective, not at least for a very long time, I myself live in a peaceful country for that stuff but when I was asexual I didn't identify with the LGBT.
I 100% get what you mean