He talks about that on the Maron podcast a bit yeah, something to the effect of:
"I haven't seen it, I've watched a couple episodes but I haven't watched all of it. Sometimes I see it and think 'I wish that were me on there too.'"
"Well, did you ever ask them if you could come on for an episode?"
"God, no, do you imagine how that'd go?"
Pretty sure the original script was written for 3 old men. I think Steve Martin mentioned it in an interview somewhere. It was changed obviously, but I think it's clear that it was supposed to be the three of them when originally conceived.
The third old person wasn't going to be Chevy. I'm sure Martin and Short between the two of them could have recruited a lot of great candidates for an older ensemble. Imagine Eugene Levy or Catherine O'Hara doing something reminiscent of their Schitt's Creek characters, as one example. Still, I think they made the right call having a younger person round out the team. It lets them do fish out of water stuff across a generational divide in a fun way.
Apparently the conceit behind 'Only Murders in the Building' was that it was going to be three really old New Yorkers who couldn't be bothered to schlepp downtown to investigate a murder. It got workshopped from three to two plus a young woman to make it both more broadly appealing and to give the characters more to do.
This is after the Twilight Zone Movie deaths. Chevy Chase was on the set of Three Amigos. He didn’t realise his mike was still on and started making fun of Landis and the accident. Landis heard it all and was furious and charged at Chevy saying ,”I’ll kill you.” To which Chevy replies ,”With what? There’s no Helicopter here.”
Chevy chase may be one of the biggest asshole comedians in Hollywood but goddamned if the dude couldn’t roast the shit out of you without breaking a sweat.
I was reading that him, Rodney Dangerfield and Bill Murray improved so well and often in Caddyshack that the director just let em go nuts and most of it ended up in the film.
Still though. Chevy is a prick.
I think the main issue is he can dish it out, but he can’t take even a little bit of it back.
Imagine if he wasn’t so goddamn sensitive - he’d probably be beloved
Dan Harmon was *perfectly* dialed into Chevy, and that scene is a great example. As the show went on, Pierce became a joke of a character at the expense of Chevy and that just made the already funniest character even funnier. It's probably also why I don't really like the show after Chevy (and Glover) leaves.
I felt Glover's departure much more acutely than Chase's on that show. Chase's shtick had run its course, but Troy and Abed were such a perfect comedy duo.
Indeed, that's why at the height of his fury towards Chevy Chase, Bill Murray angrily referred to him as a "Medium Talent". Even he couldn't deny that Chevy Chase had the capacity for humour during his fit of rage.
I thought that was a brilliant dis.
If he had called him a "no talent" his record shows that this is clearly not true, and easily dismissed.
To call him a medium talent is more hurtful, because it taps into whatever insecurities that all humans occasionally feel.
People make fun of Jennifer Aniston for playing herself in role after role. Chase does the same thing. He’s just a bemused asshole with a talent for one liners in his private life too.
who went to far, Chevy for making fun of Landis killing someone with a Helicopter, or Landis for killing someone with a fucking helicopter (then crashing their funeral)
The way Landis handled the aftermath (insisting on giving a speech at Morrow's funeral; inviting the jury at his trial to a screening of Coming to America; throwing an 'Acquittal Party') is what makes me actually hate him. It was bad enough the accident was caused by his hubris, but everything after was just him being an asshole. And he never once apologized for it, his quotes on the subject always came across like the "I am never going to financially recover from this" scene in Tiger King.
Indeed
“Landis spoke about the accident in a 1996 interview: "There was absolutely no good aspect about this whole story. The tragedy, which I think about every day, had an enormous impact on my career, from which I may possibly never recover."[25][29][31]
I never saw the show but I always seek out clips or comments from Joel McHale being asked about Chevy being a pain in the ass on set. He's been consistent with his story that Chevy hated the long hours and bitched about everything. And Joel didn't like the long hours being longer because of Chevy.
At one point the cast played /#pierceorchevy on twitter, posting quotes that could have gone either way because they were either egocentric, racist, sexist, homophobic, or just straight up didn't make sense.
Then to make it even better there was an episode where one of the group (I want to say it was Troy) started live tweeting the things Pierce said under an account named "oldwhitemansays" and that account actually exists. I'm not sure if the episode drew from the cast's game to make fun of him or if the cast's game was inspired by the episode, but it works either way.
Moreso than some may think. A lot of the lines Pierce has in S2 are literal quotes Chevy had off-screen.
"That look you give me, like I can't get erections" being one.
I've searched for about 10 mins now and couldn't find anything, but I'm absolutely *positive* I read it somewhere a while ago. That Chevy would say outrageous things on set and Dan & the writers would mess with him and insert real quotes into the script to see if he would notice. He didn't.
I worked on Community. I can’t speak for Chevys actions but I won’t deny the hours on that show were fucking long. So I can’t imagine it helped anyone who didn’t want to be there and I’d totally get it making moods worse but I also didn’t hate life and loved working on that show haha.
An old timer told me when I was starting out that you’re never gonna get a job from a wrap party but you can sure as hell lose one. Too bad it took me 10 years before I listened to him!
There’s commentary that when Jack Black and other celebs showed up for guest spots the catering was amazing. Otherwise, they didn’t have the budget.
Community became famous after it aired.
This comment is so true. Community had the unfortunate coincidence that it aired at the exact same time as Big Bang Theory, a show that was very popular is it was airing. It kinda over shadowed community. Community had a cult following at the time but really took off in its later years for sure.
Danny Pudi is amazing. Abed is such a great character. Troy and abed had an amazing bromance throughout the show. So good. I need to rewatch soon I think.
I remember watching it live on NBC every Thursday and trying to get my friends into it. They never did.
Those same friends watched it on Netflix and now loved it asked me why it was cancelled.
That was a weird time for TV when audiences had started declining but streaming was still in its early days. Not even The Office or Parks and Rec had particularly good ratings despite being critically acclaimed and having big fanbases. All those shows really took off as people started streaming.
That's insane because objectively speaking, NBC Thursdays might have had the most stacked comedy lineup in network history. At least for a few years, we had The Office, Parks and Rec, Community, and 30 Rock airing on the same night. You'd think if they liked comedy, they'd watch one of those shows and maybe catch Community
Chevy:
>”I honestly felt the show wasn’t funny enough for me, ultimately. I felt a little bit constrained…Everybody had their bits, and I thought they were all good. It just wasn’t hard hitting enough for me.”
>”I didn’t mind the character. I just felt that it was… I felt happier being alone. I just didn’t want to be surrounded by that table, every day, with those people. It was too much.”
>”I have no idea if we’re OK (in regards to his relationship with Dan Harmon). I’ve never been not OK. He’s kind of a pisser.”
That episode is genius. It's the best Pierce episode and Chevy isn't anywhere near it. The writing is so good in it. Walton Goggins, and later Pedro Pascal for the table read episode, both channelled Pierce extremely well via Mr. Stone.
Chase has a 60 year history of seriously pissing off and alienating for life the people he works with.
Sure Dan Harmon is probably an asshole too.
But at least he has the talent to back it up.
Sad thing is Chevy likely has (or had) the talent to back it up as well. There's a reason he exploded in fame in the '70s, was one of the first immediate breakout stars of *SNL*, and became one of the most successful comedic movie stars of the '80s that starred in several beloved movies.
It's just that Chevy is *far* too full of himself and lacks the self-reflection necessary to keep him from going down the self-destructive path he went down that derailed his career. Harmon has his flaws obviously, but he at least seems cognizant enough of them to reign them in some and work on them. I think you'd be hard-pressed to get Chevy to even admit he's flawed in any way.
You are totally correct about Chevy’s 60 year history. But implying that Dan Harmon has the talent to back up being an asshole and Chevy does not is crazy. Not even saying Harmon is bad, Chevy Chase is a comedy legend, so if anyone has that right (don’t necessarily think they do) he would.
I think Chevy Chase was hilarious, and even would say a comedy legend, but part of that legend is somehow always being a shittier person than his talent could support, like some kind of weird Hulk-like power too where the funnier and bigger he got the shittier a person he became until he would implode.
Wasn’t the role basically written for Chevy Chase? Everything he says and does feels like an open mockery of Chevy Chase, it’s all so perfect and on the nose. I thought that was what was so brilliant about Pierce. Originally I had respect for Chevy for embracing his place in the culture and leaning in but then he pooped all over it like a big baby and I felt stupid for thinking he would be cool enough to do something like that and be self aware enough to have fun with it.
Early on he was more of a source of wisdom for Jeff while also being a cautionary tale for who he could grow into. As Chevy became less and less liked on set the writers seemed to transition away from that to just making him a caricature of Chevy himself
Pierce in S1 has a decent amount of good moments, where his role is much more “out of touch but experienced old man” than “horrible old moron” as he became.
Didn’t they even reference the character changes in some episodes? Jeff said something like “when we met I thought you were smarter than me” to Britta at some point.
As they say: You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
In Chevys's eyes he is not the problem, the rest of the world is (just like Pierce).
Sadly he probably will never change.
I think you can though. Danny DeVito managed to embrace modern humour and do something new in It's Always Sunny (the places they've taken his character, you wouldn't expect him to be okay with). Chevy just has an oversized ego.
He’ll never change! He’ll never change! Ever since he was on SNL! Couldn’t stop being a total asshole to his cast mates! But not our Chevy! Couldn’t be precious Chevy! Dropping racial slurs on them blind! And he gets to be a famous comedian? What a sick joke!
Like the great Raylan Givens once said “You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole”
Yeah. I think there are sort of "Tiers of Assholery" to consider. Like, being a bit of an abrasive dick is different from outright racism. Plus Harmon at least has his self-loathing to keep his worst impulses in check.
Harmon has the ability to be a dick, but is also a walking therapy session and clearly trying to be better.
I loved his podcast when he was doing it, but I really think it's good for him that he stopped it. Most of his real issues seemed to come from getting drunk and leaning into his self loathing. Not doing a weekly live show where he gets shitfaced in front of a crowd and confesses to all of his worst habits seems to have helped.
The episode where he hires writers and doesn’t get any of their jokes unless they make fun of gay people was pretty much the writers speaking to the audience.
Such a shame, the show was wonderful and it seemed like everyone had chemistry onscreen.
But all the stories offscreen just dampened everything.
Would be cool if he could check his ego and do the movie. Pearce was an integral part of Community.
So, Chevy was increasingly unhappy with how his character was being written. Pierce was written as a racist, narcissist, right? So one day, Chevy starts yelling at Harmon and the writers, "What's next? Are you going to get me to say n-word?"
He said the actual word though.
Personally, while he shouldnt have said the actual word, context matters here. He was argueing that his character was being written as too racist.
This is the most pierce line ever. Where he says something racist while trying to argue he isn’t racist. It’s like he just went on the show and played himself!
Iirc he'd also complain to Harmon and say things like "you can't have me say that, it sounds totally gay"
The more bts stuff you hear of Chase, the more it's like Harmon didn't write him so much as just write what Chevy said
I feel like we have his sperm, and that’s good enough.
The movie should be centered around the group finding out that his son was inseminated and birthed, and they all take turns trying to babysit “Ford Follows”.
“I couldn’t fit in because I refuse to take my medications so I couldn’t join in on the funnies with several brilliant actor/writers 40 years my junior.
I kept suggesting black face, but the black and brown kid kept calling me names.”
Sadly we'll never know what is "funny enough" for Chase because he hasn't produced any original material that is a) funny or b) enough in more than 30 years.
Doesn’t help that he’s well known for being an arrogant prick. Gotta separate the artist from the art, though… and Chevy isn’t making any, so fuck him lol.
Agreed. I love Vacation, Fletch, and Three Amigos just as much as the next guy, but Chevys schtick is outdated and over rated.
He’s no Danny Devito or Bill Murray.
Go away Chevy.
Danny DeVito is one of the few who has continued to grow his comedy and adapt to changes in comedy throughout his career.
Bill Murray hasn’t really changed in the same way Chevy Chase hasn’t. I can’t name a single project he’s been in recently where I thought he was funny.
Danny spoke about that, it was the main reason why he joined always sunny. They were new young writers clearly making an upcoming success in comedy and Danny liked to be experimental with his roles. It’s why he’s been able to adapt and still remain relevance at almost 80 years old.
Same goes to Henry Winkler with Arrested Development and Barry. Yes those movies and shows from the 70’s/80’s are still great for the most part, but comedy is always changing and older actors need to adapt to it.
Such a great comment. I listened to the podcast episode he was on and I thought “man I’d love to work with this guy.” Super talented, aware of his legacy and so open to new ideas. His approach to life was just so open and up for anything. And you only ever hear how great Henry Winkler is, and his range of work speaks for itself. It’s that mindset.
I was an extra on a movie Henry Winkler was doing 10-ish years ago and that guy is a class act all the way. He was kind to everyone who was around him, whether they were Hollywood actors or lowly extras like me. No ego at all, just radiating good vibes.
Bill Murray at least seems to have realized that and resigns himself to the occasional cameo where people can just be like “Oh shit, that’s Bill Murray!”
I think there’s a case for not needing to evolve if you’re still good at your same thing.
Aka, Steve Martin and Martin Short are pretty much doing the same thing they were 40 years ago. The difference is that they’re both genuinely funny, seem to be quite nice and take the “work” part of comedy very seriously.
Maybe if your shtick doesn’t get tiring or repetitive. Steve Martin hasn’t really done much acting in the last 15 years outside of breaking out in Only Murderers. Martin Short has switched to what I would say is mainly a voice actor.
I wouldn’t compare either of them to Chevy Chase. Both are way better at what they do, in my opinion. Obviously comedy is subjective but these two are gems, especially together.
Danny devito is a living legend . I have read he is a good dude . Always sunny .. once he stepped onto the show became hilarious. I read he does alot of the crazier frank scenes in the morning before his meds wear off .
Mara Wilson found out years later that Danny had been visiting her mother in the hospital to show rough cuts of the movie, because she wasn't expecting to survive to the premiere.
I wondering if that's because of his physical appearance.
The 70s/80s Chevy was considered a sex symbol so the confidence and charm played up to that image but now he's 80lbs overweight and still rocking the 70s hair style so the game confidence gimmick comes off as arrogance and satire.
He was just on Marc Maron’s WTF podcast and he referred to himself as the funniest man alive, to which Maron responded, “You may have been at one time.” The way the interview went, I wasn’t quite sure if Chase was doing a bit at that part or if he genuinely meant it. He also kept saying he was “the star” of the only year he was on SNL without any sense of irony, despite the fact that SNL was, and is to this day, an ensemble cast. The interview was great, but I felt like Chase has become more and more like Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud… he just seems like he’s pretty out of touch with the times.
To be fair, he was the breakout star of that first year of SNL. Perhaps not as well known now, decades later when other cast members have had more lasting careers, but at the time he was pretty white hot.
I've often gotten the impression that Chevy *does* think he's the funniest man alive as it's hardly the first time he's said it nor is it rare for him to offer criticisms on comedy he's not a part of.
The problem with Chevy is he became *hugely* popular almost immediately to the point where he was *literally* called the "king of comedy" in the '70s and '80s. So, his entire worldview is informed by that to the point that it's impossible for him to view comedy as evolving and changing over time and moving away from the type of humor he did. To him, it's comedy moving away from *him* specifically, and since he has that inflated sense of self-importance when it comes to comedy, the further it gets from him, the less funny it has to be by definition.
Pierce really added alot to the show imo his best episodes are the ones where hes helping the gang in ways only he can either with money or knowledge of the business world or life experiences or being an absolute cheating dick at dnd. Chase portraying him really nailed the character imo even without knowing how chase is. I think him getting fired/leaving hurt just only slightly less than troy/donald glover leaving.
> the ones where hes helping the gang in ways only he can either with money or knowledge of the business world or life experiences or being an absolute cheating dick at dnd
The Sophie B. Hawkins dance. I'll never forget that one. Top tier "Pierce saves the day" episode.
Yeah, he’s a total jerk but Pierce was one of the funniest characters to me. Even some of the stories about how big of a dick he is in real life make me both guffaw and chuckle.
If he had been, Community was a golden ticket back to fame that any other celebrity in his situation would have killed for.
Chevy had been out of the limelight for a while when Community rolled around. Few if any leading movies, and those that he got flopped. What was left of his career was getting by on the nostalgia for his golden years of the 70s and 80s when all his mega hits came out and he became a household name. People *loved* that, but whenever anyone tried to make anything new with him, they discovered those films were mega hits more in spite of Chase than because of him. At this point, his career was dead in the water.
But then Community comes along, to his mind at the time probably nothing more than job to pay the bills. Except it starts to take off with a strong following who *loves* his character. A more humble actor, who'd realized and accepted the shit they had just been in, would have taken this as the lifeline it was. He could have *easily* spun his role of Pierce into a whole Elder Statesman of Comedy thing, lending experience and notoriety to a cast of young up and comers, taking a back seat but always having a presence there. It could have revitalized his career and allowed the opportunity for a second set of hit movies or shows. Think RDJ and Iron Man, same idea. [Edit] Or better yet, Danny Devito in It's Always Sunny. [/Edit]
Except, no. That obviously didn't happen. Chase is an arrogant, egotistical, self-important jackass. That's an opinion found all the way back to the beginning of his career. That said career prior to Community was non-existant, that box-office audiences hated him, that his fellow actors and comedians hated him (as evidenced in his Roast in 2002), and that he couldn't get any work outside of this one sitcom full of unknowns, all that wasn't enough to drive him to self-reflection and self-improvement, and just shows how much being an utter dick is core to Chevy. That such a once-in-a-lifetime, golden opportunity was thrown away, well, that's just Chevy.
Yeah, I think *Community* could've easily been Chevy Chase's "John Travolta in *Pulp Fiction*" moment. Travolta was someone that was also extremely popular in the '70s, but had his career mostly fizzle out during the '80s outside of voicing a baby in a movie. Then he got a chance seemingly out of the blue to be on the screen again, and that completely resurrected his career to the point that it's still fairly active nearly 20 years later, leading to some nominations for major awards.
Chase really had the opportunity to prove he grew and learned in his old age and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes and be so incredibly difficult to work with. Had he done that, I don't think it's crazy to say that might've led to him headlining some movies or shows again (some of the work I imagine is what he'd love to do again). Instead, he proved that everyone was right about him, that his ego isn't worth dealing with, and he's basically had next to no work since. And *that* will likely be his legacy instead of going out like his *Three Amigos*' co-stars who have been able to prove they still have it and are still being introduced to younger audiences.
> that completely resurrected his career to the point that it's still fairly active nearly 20 years later
I have some terrible news for you about how long ago Pulp Fiction was....
Especially in the first couple seasons. Chase is just a genuinely hilarious person. Every line delivery was perfect and effortless.
It would sure be nice if he just wasn't an asshole.
i used to watch those roasts all the time growing up. i think they were on comedy central?
those guys were brutal to each other, but you could always tell they were going out of their way to be mean because they had hella respect for the person in the big chair. not chevy. his was straight up vicious and there was no love for him in the room at all.
i’m not up on this stuff, but even as a kid i could tell he was intensely disliked by his peers.
I remember watching it when it aired and Colbert's "He's Chevy Chase...and you're not." was like a dagger to his heart. I meant goddamn, you could feel it through the screen. Oof. Fatality.
Unfortunately, and I say this as a Chevy Chase fan, ‘Community’ is the funniest thing he’s done in a long, long time.
As others have said, he can dish it out, but the man has a famously fragile ego and paper-thin skin.
I'm really sad that he can't understand what a gift that show was to his career. Made him relevant again. Mention Eartha Kitt anywhere on reddit and you'll immediate have a Pierce quote.
Whether he gets it or not, he was great in the role and the role was great for him.
I know folks who worked on this. They have nothing but horrible things to say about Chevy, how he treated the cast but especially how he treated the crew. I love his work but goddamnit…
Nah it's so clearly not a sincere belief and people are right to call him out on it, if the show wasn't "funny enough" then why was he so willing to stay until he got forced out and fired for being hostile to his Co workers
I listened to the interview. He didn't UnLoAd on them... He did sound like a man searching for the impossible though. He wanted something that would give him a taste of the high from his highs, which is of course, is impossible. I'll enjoy him for his funny and be on my way. Good interview!
It’s unfortunate that Chevy Chase and Dan Harmon worked together without a strong personality to reign them both in. They are both very talented and are both massive assholes, and it was a relationship that was ultimately never going to work. I’m currently rewatching Community and the Pierce character in Season 1 complements the other characters so well that he ends up being the most memorable character in the show. Unfortunately, Chevy is such a prick IRL that he couldn’t share the spotlight with others and grated on every cast member, and Dan Harmon is so spastic that he couldn’t help but devolve the Pierce character that he became a parody of himself like every other character that by the time it finally ended it became pathetic.
I wonder if Chevy ever sees the “Only Murders in the Building” ads and thinks “I wonder why they got 2/3 of the Three Amigos”
He talks about that on the Maron podcast a bit yeah, something to the effect of: "I haven't seen it, I've watched a couple episodes but I haven't watched all of it. Sometimes I see it and think 'I wish that were me on there too.'" "Well, did you ever ask them if you could come on for an episode?" "God, no, do you imagine how that'd go?"
Pretty sure the original script was written for 3 old men. I think Steve Martin mentioned it in an interview somewhere. It was changed obviously, but I think it's clear that it was supposed to be the three of them when originally conceived.
weird choice to write something for people who don't want to work together.
The third old person wasn't going to be Chevy. I'm sure Martin and Short between the two of them could have recruited a lot of great candidates for an older ensemble. Imagine Eugene Levy or Catherine O'Hara doing something reminiscent of their Schitt's Creek characters, as one example. Still, I think they made the right call having a younger person round out the team. It lets them do fish out of water stuff across a generational divide in a fun way.
Money is money.
Money is like piñatas, you want to get a plethora
Apparently the conceit behind 'Only Murders in the Building' was that it was going to be three really old New Yorkers who couldn't be bothered to schlepp downtown to investigate a murder. It got workshopped from three to two plus a young woman to make it both more broadly appealing and to give the characters more to do.
Glad it was changed, I think Gomez provides a good contrast to Martin and Short
This is after the Twilight Zone Movie deaths. Chevy Chase was on the set of Three Amigos. He didn’t realise his mike was still on and started making fun of Landis and the accident. Landis heard it all and was furious and charged at Chevy saying ,”I’ll kill you.” To which Chevy replies ,”With what? There’s no Helicopter here.”
>To which Chevy replies ,”With what? There’s no Helicopter here.” That's fucking hilarious
Yeah I gotta admit that's pretty funny.
Chevy chase may be one of the biggest asshole comedians in Hollywood but goddamned if the dude couldn’t roast the shit out of you without breaking a sweat. I was reading that him, Rodney Dangerfield and Bill Murray improved so well and often in Caddyshack that the director just let em go nuts and most of it ended up in the film. Still though. Chevy is a prick.
I think the main issue is he can dish it out, but he can’t take even a little bit of it back. Imagine if he wasn’t so goddamn sensitive - he’d probably be beloved
"I can reach into a man's soul and unravel it with one tug." "Cool. Hit me." "You're bald." "So are you." "I'LL KILL YOU!"
Dan Harmon was *perfectly* dialed into Chevy, and that scene is a great example. As the show went on, Pierce became a joke of a character at the expense of Chevy and that just made the already funniest character even funnier. It's probably also why I don't really like the show after Chevy (and Glover) leaves.
I felt Glover's departure much more acutely than Chase's on that show. Chase's shtick had run its course, but Troy and Abed were such a perfect comedy duo.
If he had a tenth of the skin of Murray, Chase would be a legend. As it stands, he became the old guy yelling at kids on his lawn.
Indeed, that's why at the height of his fury towards Chevy Chase, Bill Murray angrily referred to him as a "Medium Talent". Even he couldn't deny that Chevy Chase had the capacity for humour during his fit of rage.
I love how Murray called him mid decades before gen Z existed.
The spirit of disdaining mediocrity has lived longer than any of us and will outlive us long after or something like that
I thought that was a brilliant dis. If he had called him a "no talent" his record shows that this is clearly not true, and easily dismissed. To call him a medium talent is more hurtful, because it taps into whatever insecurities that all humans occasionally feel.
Its also deserved bc that dude got people killed due to his negligent, cavalier attitude with illegally hired child labor. Fuck John Landis.
Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Good Joke
People make fun of Jennifer Aniston for playing herself in role after role. Chase does the same thing. He’s just a bemused asshole with a talent for one liners in his private life too.
Who makes fun of Jennifer Aniston? Point me in their direction!
Nah, Landis full on deserved that.
who went to far, Chevy for making fun of Landis killing someone with a Helicopter, or Landis for killing someone with a fucking helicopter (then crashing their funeral)
Honestly, the worst part is the hypocrisy.
I kinda think the worst part is the people dying. (RIP Norm.)
I thought it was the raping
Yeah, I was just reading up on the [accident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone_accident), and.... yeah.
The way Landis handled the aftermath (insisting on giving a speech at Morrow's funeral; inviting the jury at his trial to a screening of Coming to America; throwing an 'Acquittal Party') is what makes me actually hate him. It was bad enough the accident was caused by his hubris, but everything after was just him being an asshole. And he never once apologized for it, his quotes on the subject always came across like the "I am never going to financially recover from this" scene in Tiger King.
Indeed “Landis spoke about the accident in a 1996 interview: "There was absolutely no good aspect about this whole story. The tragedy, which I think about every day, had an enormous impact on my career, from which I may possibly never recover."[25][29][31]
If anyone ever doubts that A) Chevy Chase is kind of a prick or B) Chevy Chase is a genuine comedy genius, this comment proves both.
I never saw the show but I always seek out clips or comments from Joel McHale being asked about Chevy being a pain in the ass on set. He's been consistent with his story that Chevy hated the long hours and bitched about everything. And Joel didn't like the long hours being longer because of Chevy.
He’s so good on the show because Harmon and the writers nailed him and his curmudgeonly dickish nature.
By letting him be himself, it seems.
At one point the cast played /#pierceorchevy on twitter, posting quotes that could have gone either way because they were either egocentric, racist, sexist, homophobic, or just straight up didn't make sense. Then to make it even better there was an episode where one of the group (I want to say it was Troy) started live tweeting the things Pierce said under an account named "oldwhitemansays" and that account actually exists. I'm not sure if the episode drew from the cast's game to make fun of him or if the cast's game was inspired by the episode, but it works either way.
I think that was inspired by the twitter account shitmydadsays which they tried to turn into a sitcom staring Seth Green and William Shatner
Oh man I forgot about that, those early days of old media trying to capitalize on new media.
Don't you dare talk shit about Dog With a Blog!
Moreso than some may think. A lot of the lines Pierce has in S2 are literal quotes Chevy had off-screen. "That look you give me, like I can't get erections" being one.
That was real? Holy shit
I've searched for about 10 mins now and couldn't find anything, but I'm absolutely *positive* I read it somewhere a while ago. That Chevy would say outrageous things on set and Dan & the writers would mess with him and insert real quotes into the script to see if he would notice. He didn't.
Pierce the dickish, also known as grandpa the flatulent.
Joel McHale played Chevy Chase in the Netflix Film,A Futile and Stupid Gesture. It’s about the creation of National Lampoon Magazine.
That movie needs more love. Fucking fantastic movie that mostly flew under the radar.
"You think I looked like Will Forte when I was 25? You think Will Forte is 25?!" *Will looks up in background with a hurt look*
He nailed it too.
I worked on Community. I can’t speak for Chevys actions but I won’t deny the hours on that show were fucking long. So I can’t imagine it helped anyone who didn’t want to be there and I’d totally get it making moods worse but I also didn’t hate life and loved working on that show haha.
How great was catering? Were the wrap parties fun to be at?
Catering was pretty good, especially later seasons. Wraps were always fun minus the fear of constantly never having a job haha
An old timer told me when I was starting out that you’re never gonna get a job from a wrap party but you can sure as hell lose one. Too bad it took me 10 years before I listened to him!
There’s commentary that when Jack Black and other celebs showed up for guest spots the catering was amazing. Otherwise, they didn’t have the budget. Community became famous after it aired.
This comment is so true. Community had the unfortunate coincidence that it aired at the exact same time as Big Bang Theory, a show that was very popular is it was airing. It kinda over shadowed community. Community had a cult following at the time but really took off in its later years for sure.
I can’t remember where i read it now but a reviewer said, “Jim Parsons is stealing all the Emmy’s Danny Pudi should be winning”.
Danny Pudi is amazing. Abed is such a great character. Troy and abed had an amazing bromance throughout the show. So good. I need to rewatch soon I think.
I remember watching it live on NBC every Thursday and trying to get my friends into it. They never did. Those same friends watched it on Netflix and now loved it asked me why it was cancelled.
That was a weird time for TV when audiences had started declining but streaming was still in its early days. Not even The Office or Parks and Rec had particularly good ratings despite being critically acclaimed and having big fanbases. All those shows really took off as people started streaming.
NBC has this issue with shows like Scrubs and Chuck too. Good shows that NBC didn't seem to like doing as much work for, to make them more popular.
30 Rock too. Hard to believe they were the last place network during that time, but it was their own fault.
That's insane because objectively speaking, NBC Thursdays might have had the most stacked comedy lineup in network history. At least for a few years, we had The Office, Parks and Rec, Community, and 30 Rock airing on the same night. You'd think if they liked comedy, they'd watch one of those shows and maybe catch Community
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Chevy: >”I honestly felt the show wasn’t funny enough for me, ultimately. I felt a little bit constrained…Everybody had their bits, and I thought they were all good. It just wasn’t hard hitting enough for me.” >”I didn’t mind the character. I just felt that it was… I felt happier being alone. I just didn’t want to be surrounded by that table, every day, with those people. It was too much.” >”I have no idea if we’re OK (in regards to his relationship with Dan Harmon). I’ve never been not OK. He’s kind of a pisser.”
"I was never one to hold a grudge, Jeffrey. My father held grudges. I'll always hate him for that."
Almost like he speaks from personal experience. Its been 10 years since he's been on set. Still can't let it go at 80.
He’s just mad they are circling back to do a movie and he’s not invited
Bingo
I also leave you a cylinder of my sperm.
Legit the funniest thing Pierce ever did was when his character was dead and Chevy wasn't involved.
That episode is genius. It's the best Pierce episode and Chevy isn't anywhere near it. The writing is so good in it. Walton Goggins, and later Pedro Pascal for the table read episode, both channelled Pierce extremely well via Mr. Stone.
Watching Pedro try to make it through that table read was way too fucking funny.
My girlfriend and I were on set for that episode!
Chase has a 60 year history of seriously pissing off and alienating for life the people he works with. Sure Dan Harmon is probably an asshole too. But at least he has the talent to back it up.
Sad thing is Chevy likely has (or had) the talent to back it up as well. There's a reason he exploded in fame in the '70s, was one of the first immediate breakout stars of *SNL*, and became one of the most successful comedic movie stars of the '80s that starred in several beloved movies. It's just that Chevy is *far* too full of himself and lacks the self-reflection necessary to keep him from going down the self-destructive path he went down that derailed his career. Harmon has his flaws obviously, but he at least seems cognizant enough of them to reign them in some and work on them. I think you'd be hard-pressed to get Chevy to even admit he's flawed in any way.
You're talking as if Chevy Chase isn't a talented comedian, lol. He's just such an asshole that that talent is irrelevant.
You are totally correct about Chevy’s 60 year history. But implying that Dan Harmon has the talent to back up being an asshole and Chevy does not is crazy. Not even saying Harmon is bad, Chevy Chase is a comedy legend, so if anyone has that right (don’t necessarily think they do) he would.
I think Chevy Chase was hilarious, and even would say a comedy legend, but part of that legend is somehow always being a shittier person than his talent could support, like some kind of weird Hulk-like power too where the funnier and bigger he got the shittier a person he became until he would implode.
Wasn’t the role basically written for Chevy Chase? Everything he says and does feels like an open mockery of Chevy Chase, it’s all so perfect and on the nose. I thought that was what was so brilliant about Pierce. Originally I had respect for Chevy for embracing his place in the culture and leaning in but then he pooped all over it like a big baby and I felt stupid for thinking he would be cool enough to do something like that and be self aware enough to have fun with it.
Early on he was more of a source of wisdom for Jeff while also being a cautionary tale for who he could grow into. As Chevy became less and less liked on set the writers seemed to transition away from that to just making him a caricature of Chevy himself
Pierce in S1 has a decent amount of good moments, where his role is much more “out of touch but experienced old man” than “horrible old moron” as he became.
That's not a Chevy specific thing though. Every character was deliberately flanderised as the seasons went on to more ridiculous and outlandish plots.
Didn’t they even reference the character changes in some episodes? Jeff said something like “when we met I thought you were smarter than me” to Britta at some point.
"Good luck" "Don't need it, never had it"
As they say: You can't teach an old dog new tricks. In Chevys's eyes he is not the problem, the rest of the world is (just like Pierce). Sadly he probably will never change.
I think you can though. Danny DeVito managed to embrace modern humour and do something new in It's Always Sunny (the places they've taken his character, you wouldn't expect him to be okay with). Chevy just has an oversized ego.
I believe what /u/DonSinga was more referring to is Chevy Chase’s decades long history of being a complete piece of human excrement though.
He’ll never change! He’ll never change! Ever since he was on SNL! Couldn’t stop being a total asshole to his cast mates! But not our Chevy! Couldn’t be precious Chevy! Dropping racial slurs on them blind! And he gets to be a famous comedian? What a sick joke!
HE DEFECATED ON THE STUDY GROUP TABLE!
It's not like he randomly Tweeted about it. Maron asked him.
Great line and I use a variation of it in my own life often
This isnt even the first TV cast that has hated him, how god damn tone deaf is he that he thinks \*other\* people are the pissers here.
Like the great Raylan Givens once said “You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole”
Chevy is the CM Punk of comedy.
"Dean, I'm hurt and I'm old and I'm fucking tired and I have a study group with fucking children." "Chang shares a bank account with his brother."
“He couldn’t manage a community college.”
Not a comment I expected to read here but you hit the nail right on the nose
Cult of Chevy’s Personality
All the talent in the world at what they do, and absolutely no interpersonal skills to go with it
Well, now you're banned from Collision
Damn look at mr good analogies over here
analogies jones over here... but I digress.
I mean, I’m no fan of Chevy’s, but Dan Harmon is kind of a pisser.
I don't think anybody, including Harmon, is arguing that bit.
And the difference is the rest of the cast is more than happy to work with Harmon again than Chase.
Yeah. I think there are sort of "Tiers of Assholery" to consider. Like, being a bit of an abrasive dick is different from outright racism. Plus Harmon at least has his self-loathing to keep his worst impulses in check.
Harmon has the ability to be a dick, but is also a walking therapy session and clearly trying to be better. I loved his podcast when he was doing it, but I really think it's good for him that he stopped it. Most of his real issues seemed to come from getting drunk and leaning into his self loathing. Not doing a weekly live show where he gets shitfaced in front of a crowd and confesses to all of his worst habits seems to have helped.
For Chevy, hard-hitting = offensive.
I think Chevy is just actually Pierce, so I’m assuming he missed the joke.
The episode where he hires writers and doesn’t get any of their jokes unless they make fun of gay people was pretty much the writers speaking to the audience.
Is Dan still writing his dialogue for these interviews?
Such a shame, the show was wonderful and it seemed like everyone had chemistry onscreen. But all the stories offscreen just dampened everything. Would be cool if he could check his ego and do the movie. Pearce was an integral part of Community.
No way Yvette or Donald shows up if Chevy is there.
What’s the story there with them and him?
So, Chevy was increasingly unhappy with how his character was being written. Pierce was written as a racist, narcissist, right? So one day, Chevy starts yelling at Harmon and the writers, "What's next? Are you going to get me to say n-word?" He said the actual word though. Personally, while he shouldnt have said the actual word, context matters here. He was argueing that his character was being written as too racist.
This is the most pierce line ever. Where he says something racist while trying to argue he isn’t racist. It’s like he just went on the show and played himself!
Iirc he'd also complain to Harmon and say things like "you can't have me say that, it sounds totally gay" The more bts stuff you hear of Chase, the more it's like Harmon didn't write him so much as just write what Chevy said
Gives even more depth to Troy tweeting pierces thoughts in the show lol.
That literally happened in real life too. The cast would Tweet quotes from Pierce or Chevy with the hashtag #PierceorChevy.
And it’s kinda funny considering one of Chevy’s most famously controversial sketches is him saying the N word to Pryor.
> "What's next? Are you going to get me to say n-word?" [lol](https://youtu.be/yuEBBwJdjhQ?feature=shared)
I feel like we have his sperm, and that’s good enough. The movie should be centered around the group finding out that his son was inseminated and birthed, and they all take turns trying to babysit “Ford Follows”.
“I couldn’t fit in because I refuse to take my medications so I couldn’t join in on the funnies with several brilliant actor/writers 40 years my junior. I kept suggesting black face, but the black and brown kid kept calling me names.”
Say bitter much…much!
Sadly we'll never know what is "funny enough" for Chase because he hasn't produced any original material that is a) funny or b) enough in more than 30 years.
Doesn’t help that he’s well known for being an arrogant prick. Gotta separate the artist from the art, though… and Chevy isn’t making any, so fuck him lol.
You'd be an arrogant prick too, if you banged Ertha Kitt in an airplane bathroom.
Agreed. I love Vacation, Fletch, and Three Amigos just as much as the next guy, but Chevys schtick is outdated and over rated. He’s no Danny Devito or Bill Murray. Go away Chevy.
Christmas Vacation is one of my favorite Christmas movies
Danny DeVito is one of the few who has continued to grow his comedy and adapt to changes in comedy throughout his career. Bill Murray hasn’t really changed in the same way Chevy Chase hasn’t. I can’t name a single project he’s been in recently where I thought he was funny.
Danny spoke about that, it was the main reason why he joined always sunny. They were new young writers clearly making an upcoming success in comedy and Danny liked to be experimental with his roles. It’s why he’s been able to adapt and still remain relevance at almost 80 years old. Same goes to Henry Winkler with Arrested Development and Barry. Yes those movies and shows from the 70’s/80’s are still great for the most part, but comedy is always changing and older actors need to adapt to it.
Such a great comment. I listened to the podcast episode he was on and I thought “man I’d love to work with this guy.” Super talented, aware of his legacy and so open to new ideas. His approach to life was just so open and up for anything. And you only ever hear how great Henry Winkler is, and his range of work speaks for itself. It’s that mindset.
I was an extra on a movie Henry Winkler was doing 10-ish years ago and that guy is a class act all the way. He was kind to everyone who was around him, whether they were Hollywood actors or lowly extras like me. No ego at all, just radiating good vibes.
Bill Murray at least seems to have realized that and resigns himself to the occasional cameo where people can just be like “Oh shit, that’s Bill Murray!”
You literally described Zombie Land
And Vice Principals, Parks and Rec, tons of others. Dude’s making bank three minutes at a time, not a bad way to do retirement
Plus he had an MCU appearance in Quantumania, so that’ll certainly help him make bank in his “oh shit it’s Bill Murray” cameo collection.
I think there’s a case for not needing to evolve if you’re still good at your same thing. Aka, Steve Martin and Martin Short are pretty much doing the same thing they were 40 years ago. The difference is that they’re both genuinely funny, seem to be quite nice and take the “work” part of comedy very seriously.
Maybe if your shtick doesn’t get tiring or repetitive. Steve Martin hasn’t really done much acting in the last 15 years outside of breaking out in Only Murderers. Martin Short has switched to what I would say is mainly a voice actor. I wouldn’t compare either of them to Chevy Chase. Both are way better at what they do, in my opinion. Obviously comedy is subjective but these two are gems, especially together.
Danny devito is a living legend . I have read he is a good dude . Always sunny .. once he stepped onto the show became hilarious. I read he does alot of the crazier frank scenes in the morning before his meds wear off .
He and Rhea Perlman were basically a second family for Mara Wilson while her mom was dying during the Matilda filming.
Mara Wilson found out years later that Danny had been visiting her mother in the hospital to show rough cuts of the movie, because she wasn't expecting to survive to the premiere.
That's so wholesome god damn.
Selena Gomez is a great third amigo
I wondering if that's because of his physical appearance. The 70s/80s Chevy was considered a sex symbol so the confidence and charm played up to that image but now he's 80lbs overweight and still rocking the 70s hair style so the game confidence gimmick comes off as arrogance and satire.
Seriously and it seems his ego is involved. Sad and pathetic way to spend the rest of your career
I'm pretty sure his ego complicates his life quite a bit and not just his career.
Good evening. I’m Chevy Chase and you’re not.
His ego has been like this the day he was born. Always has been an awful person.
You clearly don't remember the masterpiece that was his late night talk show. Oh wait, nobody does because it sucked.
He had a talk show?!?!
Yes. It was bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CamWTHRsa5I
He was just on Marc Maron’s WTF podcast and he referred to himself as the funniest man alive, to which Maron responded, “You may have been at one time.” The way the interview went, I wasn’t quite sure if Chase was doing a bit at that part or if he genuinely meant it. He also kept saying he was “the star” of the only year he was on SNL without any sense of irony, despite the fact that SNL was, and is to this day, an ensemble cast. The interview was great, but I felt like Chase has become more and more like Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud… he just seems like he’s pretty out of touch with the times.
To be fair, he was the breakout star of that first year of SNL. Perhaps not as well known now, decades later when other cast members have had more lasting careers, but at the time he was pretty white hot.
I've often gotten the impression that Chevy *does* think he's the funniest man alive as it's hardly the first time he's said it nor is it rare for him to offer criticisms on comedy he's not a part of. The problem with Chevy is he became *hugely* popular almost immediately to the point where he was *literally* called the "king of comedy" in the '70s and '80s. So, his entire worldview is informed by that to the point that it's impossible for him to view comedy as evolving and changing over time and moving away from the type of humor he did. To him, it's comedy moving away from *him* specifically, and since he has that inflated sense of self-importance when it comes to comedy, the further it gets from him, the less funny it has to be by definition.
bro was not streets ahead
He's a GDB!
I'm getting rid of the B
He's a no good B!
He just needs to bear down
Too soon. Needs to fat dog it.
Damn, he still in character. What a champ.
It’s a shame how it ended, Chevy genuinely was really funny as Pierce
Pierce really added alot to the show imo his best episodes are the ones where hes helping the gang in ways only he can either with money or knowledge of the business world or life experiences or being an absolute cheating dick at dnd. Chase portraying him really nailed the character imo even without knowing how chase is. I think him getting fired/leaving hurt just only slightly less than troy/donald glover leaving.
> the ones where hes helping the gang in ways only he can either with money or knowledge of the business world or life experiences or being an absolute cheating dick at dnd The Sophie B. Hawkins dance. I'll never forget that one. Top tier "Pierce saves the day" episode.
Yeah, he’s a total jerk but Pierce was one of the funniest characters to me. Even some of the stories about how big of a dick he is in real life make me both guffaw and chuckle.
I genuinely thought Chevy Chase was being super self aware and making fun of himself
If he had been, Community was a golden ticket back to fame that any other celebrity in his situation would have killed for. Chevy had been out of the limelight for a while when Community rolled around. Few if any leading movies, and those that he got flopped. What was left of his career was getting by on the nostalgia for his golden years of the 70s and 80s when all his mega hits came out and he became a household name. People *loved* that, but whenever anyone tried to make anything new with him, they discovered those films were mega hits more in spite of Chase than because of him. At this point, his career was dead in the water. But then Community comes along, to his mind at the time probably nothing more than job to pay the bills. Except it starts to take off with a strong following who *loves* his character. A more humble actor, who'd realized and accepted the shit they had just been in, would have taken this as the lifeline it was. He could have *easily* spun his role of Pierce into a whole Elder Statesman of Comedy thing, lending experience and notoriety to a cast of young up and comers, taking a back seat but always having a presence there. It could have revitalized his career and allowed the opportunity for a second set of hit movies or shows. Think RDJ and Iron Man, same idea. [Edit] Or better yet, Danny Devito in It's Always Sunny. [/Edit] Except, no. That obviously didn't happen. Chase is an arrogant, egotistical, self-important jackass. That's an opinion found all the way back to the beginning of his career. That said career prior to Community was non-existant, that box-office audiences hated him, that his fellow actors and comedians hated him (as evidenced in his Roast in 2002), and that he couldn't get any work outside of this one sitcom full of unknowns, all that wasn't enough to drive him to self-reflection and self-improvement, and just shows how much being an utter dick is core to Chevy. That such a once-in-a-lifetime, golden opportunity was thrown away, well, that's just Chevy.
Yeah, I think *Community* could've easily been Chevy Chase's "John Travolta in *Pulp Fiction*" moment. Travolta was someone that was also extremely popular in the '70s, but had his career mostly fizzle out during the '80s outside of voicing a baby in a movie. Then he got a chance seemingly out of the blue to be on the screen again, and that completely resurrected his career to the point that it's still fairly active nearly 20 years later, leading to some nominations for major awards. Chase really had the opportunity to prove he grew and learned in his old age and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes and be so incredibly difficult to work with. Had he done that, I don't think it's crazy to say that might've led to him headlining some movies or shows again (some of the work I imagine is what he'd love to do again). Instead, he proved that everyone was right about him, that his ego isn't worth dealing with, and he's basically had next to no work since. And *that* will likely be his legacy instead of going out like his *Three Amigos*' co-stars who have been able to prove they still have it and are still being introduced to younger audiences.
> that completely resurrected his career to the point that it's still fairly active nearly 20 years later I have some terrible news for you about how long ago Pulp Fiction was....
Especially in the first couple seasons. Chase is just a genuinely hilarious person. Every line delivery was perfect and effortless. It would sure be nice if he just wasn't an asshole.
Such a shame because he was so fucking funny in this
i used to watch those roasts all the time growing up. i think they were on comedy central? those guys were brutal to each other, but you could always tell they were going out of their way to be mean because they had hella respect for the person in the big chair. not chevy. his was straight up vicious and there was no love for him in the room at all. i’m not up on this stuff, but even as a kid i could tell he was intensely disliked by his peers.
[For those curious how bad it was, a good r/hobbydrama post on the topic](https://reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/s/YoyScsqUQX)
I remember watching it when it aired and Colbert's "He's Chevy Chase...and you're not." was like a dagger to his heart. I meant goddamn, you could feel it through the screen. Oof. Fatality.
Gold standard of roasts. Colbert didn’t say a single curse word and yet his whole 4 minutes feel like they should be censored on brutality alone.
Anyone have another video link? That one is blocked.
[Here you go](https://youtu.be/CG4W0OfzJjM?si=t9RBm2sqcOAhRr43)
Chevy Chase is the biggest dick in Hollywood and everyone knows it. AS an OG fan this disappoints me but he is toxic.
Liar!!! Steven Seagal still exists, Chevy is still on that list, just not the top.
Ah but doesn't Steven Seagal live in like France or Russia or somthing now?
Yeah he even has a russian citizenship I think. He's been out of Holywood for at least 10 years now.
Maybe he didn’t understand how much they were taking the piss out of him. Or maybe he did and that’s why he didn’t find it funny.
Such a Pierce thing to say
Imagine how great his legacy would be if he wasn’t such a tremendous asshole
Unfortunately, and I say this as a Chevy Chase fan, ‘Community’ is the funniest thing he’s done in a long, long time. As others have said, he can dish it out, but the man has a famously fragile ego and paper-thin skin.
I'm really sad that he can't understand what a gift that show was to his career. Made him relevant again. Mention Eartha Kitt anywhere on reddit and you'll immediate have a Pierce quote. Whether he gets it or not, he was great in the role and the role was great for him.
I know folks who worked on this. They have nothing but horrible things to say about Chevy, how he treated the cast but especially how he treated the crew. I love his work but goddamnit…
Yeah and it’s not like it’s some hit job by the cast and crew of community. This stigma has chased Chevy around his whole career. Because he’s a dick…
That's okay. He was a great comedic talent and is entitled to his opinoins about the quality of the show. But you don't have to be a dick.
> you don't have to be a dick He does, it's his nature
He doesn’t have to be a dick. He just wants to be a dick.
Nah it's so clearly not a sincere belief and people are right to call him out on it, if the show wasn't "funny enough" then why was he so willing to stay until he got forced out and fired for being hostile to his Co workers
I listened to the interview. He didn't UnLoAd on them... He did sound like a man searching for the impossible though. He wanted something that would give him a taste of the high from his highs, which is of course, is impossible. I'll enjoy him for his funny and be on my way. Good interview!
It’s unfortunate that Chevy Chase and Dan Harmon worked together without a strong personality to reign them both in. They are both very talented and are both massive assholes, and it was a relationship that was ultimately never going to work. I’m currently rewatching Community and the Pierce character in Season 1 complements the other characters so well that he ends up being the most memorable character in the show. Unfortunately, Chevy is such a prick IRL that he couldn’t share the spotlight with others and grated on every cast member, and Dan Harmon is so spastic that he couldn’t help but devolve the Pierce character that he became a parody of himself like every other character that by the time it finally ended it became pathetic.
Some people can see that being cast as the old washed up guy as a sign.
Media that was funny enough for him: * Nothing But Trouble * Not Another Not Another Movie * Zoom * The Chevy Chase Show * Cops and Robbersons...