Yeah, I guess that it is obvious that 2023 Djokovic would win against 2008 Djokovic!
The major question is whether 2023 Djokovic would win against 2011 or 2015 Djokovic?
- Probably not.
He has a lot more dips during matches and they last longer now, it's pretty obvious to anyone who has watched tennis all these years that his prime version is comfortably superior to now.
A 2011 or 2015 Djokovic competing today would annihilate all competition in the absence of the other big 4 members who during those years he would still usually beat.
Not only would he likely win all 4 Slams, he would also be much more active at masters 1000 and 500 level tournaments.
I'm going to take a little risk here and say that at 41 y/o Djokovic might probably still be in good enough physical shape to play doubles for Serbia. Singles is another story.
He’s 36 going on 37 now and is EASILY the fittest person on the tour, EASILY outplaying 20 year old prodigies. He’ll have more than enough in the tank at 41 to keep playing against these kids.
I think he himself would tell you he's not 'easily' the fittest on tour, and nor does he 'easily' sweep all the youths. He's the best on tour, yes, but keep the compliments at a realistic level
Don't be delusional please.These same kids will improve further and hit their prime. Do you honestly really think it will be that easy for Djokovic to beat them at age 41?
Honestly. I think Novak at 41 will still be an incredibly tough challenge for these kids. We've seen gens come and go and supposedly reach their primes and Novak has dealt with every single one of them.
Inat is what won him many of his slams. He won them out of spite. Goran says if you tell Novak he can't do something he'll prove you wrong and that's the best way to motivate him
He means the Olympics will be held at the same venue as the RG tournament, e.g. the finals will be played in Philippe-Chatrier stadium. Nadal is actually more likely to play well there than in Roland Garros in his current state, since the Olympics are best of 3 sets, rather than best of 5 like RG
Isn’t the location RG? Like Billie Jean King? I’m not a Parisian so I have no clue. I’m not sure Nadal is healthy enough to handle clay tennis at the ATP level in general. But we can always hope. If not at least a Carlos vs Novak would be epic too.
I think both the tournament and location are referred to as RG honestly. What I'm pointing out as the key distinction here is that Nadal would be more apt to play at the Olympics tournament at the RG venue, than in the RG tournament itself, since Olympics are best of 3. I only mentioned this since OP talked about a hypothetical Nadal vs Djokovic final being the most watched in Olympic history.
On a side note, I think Nadal looked quite good in best of 3, his recent words were very optimistic about going to non-best of 5 tournaments post-AO. Clay is also obviously where he excels, but aside from that it's probably less injury prone for him since the ground is softer on his joints. Maybe it's extreme hopium but I think if there's a single tournament this year where he could focus on to make a deep run it would be the Paris Olympics imo
"Open era" thing had no meaning for women tennis. There was no seperate amaterur and pro tours in women tennis. So no pro women tennis player were precluded from competing in slams pre-1968.
>She farmed AO against amateurs
yeah but that has nothing to do with the "open era". As you said she farmed wins in australia OPEN, which was after "open era".
People still don't merge open era and amateur era for obvious reasons, it was a completely different game and tournament seeding etc. A current lower than top 1000 male player could smoke Court, so why even mention her in the same sentence as Novak?
> it was a completely different game and tournament seeding etc.
Not really. I literally just told you that "open era" and "amateur era" had no meaning in 1960s and 1970s in women tennis. There was no separate pro and amateru tours in women tennis. So all women tennis players were able to compete in the slams. The open era thing was important in men tennis because there was a separate pro tour and pro men players were not allowed to compete in slams until 1968. If you're claiming that Court's pre-1968 slam wins should not count then you have to tell which women players were not allowed competing in slams before 1968.
to be fair current lower than 1000 male player could smoke like 99% of WTA, but even current WTA would literally destroy anyone from 20 century, the level of fitness is just on a different level scale now
I never understood the comparisons between different types of tennis. Women play 3 sets. Wheelchair tennis players win a slam in like 3-4 matches iirc. Doubles have more players involved and a wider court.
It doesn't make any sense to compare them slam for slam when the road to get to the trophy is so different between them. When the matches are so different, it's just not the same thing. It makes sense why they're different but that difference means it doesn't make sense to compare them.
If we're getting into monkey paw shenanigans then make you also specify that we're talking about men's tennis. Don't want him somehow winning a gold medal in doubles for women's table tennis.
So when you watch Nadal's run in RG 2008, you seriously think he would struggle to win against the current field ? Do me a favour.
The level reached by Djokovic, Federer, Nadal and to a lesser extent Murray in the prime Big 4 era hasn't been repeated yet.
I mean, 2009 Usain Bolt was also faster than anyone in the world is now. It does not mean there isn't a noticeable difference between the state of track and field in 2009 and the state of track and field now. The field is much faster now.
And 2008 Novak is pretty far removed from 2008 Roland Garros Nadal.
How is the field much faster exactly ? Even excluding Bolt who is an outlier, nobody is currently as quick over 100m as Blake, Gay, Powell and even Gatlin were.
It's the same for tennis. Stop acting as if the 2000's and the 2010's are prehistoric times. Nadal won 2 Slams in 2022 whilst still using his racket from almost 2 decades ago.
Compare the instances of sub-10 100s now and the instances of sub-10 100s in 2009. In 2023 there were 40 sub-10 second 100m performances. In 2009 there were 11. There's a huge gap in the quality of the field between now and then.
And to reiterate, 2008 Novak was *not* running a 9.6 100m. Only Nadal was, on clay.
We are not arguing about whether the world #40 from 2023 would beat the world #40 from 2008, are we ?
We are talking about the very best players in the world. The top 4 players from that era (Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray) are stronger than the current the top 4, on every single surface btw.
Lol no way. Daniel Evans who is currently #40 is not troubling Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Davydenko, Tsonga, Del Potro and Roddick in their 2008 versions.
tennis in those few years got MUCH more athletic, big 3 from the old days would have troubles defeating some of newer players, djoko still does it because he adapted
Please name me 1 player born in the 1990's who is elite on all 3 surfaces, just 1. You can't ? Then how come the game is getting better ? The Big 4 generation remains the best by far. Obviously the jury is still out on Alcaraz, Sinner and Rune but it will be tough for them to match Federer, Djokovic, Nadal...
I didn’t say that they aren’t the best, but rather that current players are better than opponents of big 3. I think Zverev, even though I don’t like the guy, can do good on every surface. When it comes to Alcaraz, Sinner and Rune it is really hard to make any prediction
Well that's simply not true IMO. Zverev had many occasions to prove himself on grass and still can't have a decent Wimbledon run.
Also statistics don't really back up your point... Murray, Del Potro and Tsonga have a better W-L record against the Big 3 than Medvedev and Tsitsipas for example. And bear in mind they weren't facing their grandpa versions.
At the very least Murray is easily better than all players born in the 1990's, Del Potro and Wawrinka probably are as well. You could also make a case for Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych, and Soderling when you factor in competition.
Yeah, all of the greatest from the past wouldn’t hold their ground nowadays, which just makes novak even more impressive, and I say that as someone, who really doesn’t like the guy
Man, it’s quotes like that scare the shit out of me. Honestly I think he’s gonna go an absolutely bat shit crazy mad one this year and win all 4 slams + Olympic gold + WTF. He’s gonna destroy another gen for the umpteenth time and we’re just gonna be witnesses.
I'm not trying to goat rank at this moment, but 2023 was with Nadal out and Federer gone, so that puts it behind '11 and '15 already.
Edit: Jesus, I'm getting downvoted because I say its his 3rd best year.
During those years, Fed had to contend with multiple no. 1s, including one Andre Agassi. All this as the rising star, still developing as a player in all aspects. In 2023, a peak Nole *only* had one rising but very inconsistent Alcaraz and maybe Meddie (and Sinner but he really only peaked on Q4) to challenge his dominance. So I do think it’s different to Rogers dominance during those years, and it does make a strong argument to put it behind 2011.
I'm not comparing 2011 and 2023. Also worthwhile to note Fed was in his prime at that time, Novak is in his late 30s. Not the same. And just cause Agassi was a former no.1 didn't mean he played that level consistently against Fed. The elo is similar for the mid 2000s era top players and top players from 2023.
i have optimism that novak can be even better this year. the olympics will push him even further, and he can with that + the 4 slams, especially since he has alcaraz's number now. he didnt take long to be figured out
Who said Novak doesn't care about it? Playing for his country is always the highest honor. It's his dream to win gold with Serbia. I swear, most of you love making shit up.
Nah people said that they personally don't find Olympics important since it's not a part of ATP. Just because he finds it important doesn't mean that it is to people.
Mate he cares about them for personal reasons not cause it's a trophy he needs to sit in his cabinet. Did you see how his country received him after USO? He literally collapsed in tears. Nobody loves their country more than Novak Djokovic. Now tell me if Nadal would sacrifice RG for Olympics this year
Tennis history was saved the moment Novak reached the most grand slams. Would have been a travesty if the best player amongst the best generation in men’s tennis did not end up the GOAT. Tennis is truly saved 🙌
Yeah and how much did it take out of Carlos to achieve that? Carlos' season went down the shitter after that final and Novak went on an absolute tear destroying everyone in sight. My point is that it takes Carlos to go beyond red-lining _just_ to stand a fighting chance against Novak.
Does Novak have to make everything into a competition? “I don’t want to miss too many moments with my children” clearly shading Nadal who felt 2023 was the worst year in his life for missing tennis instead of happy that he got to spend time with his newborn
'23 Djokovic wasn't as talented / gifted as '11 or '15 but he gained experience in winning and knowing how to win / what makes you keep winning. I think '23 Nole would smoke all prior versions just because of this cumulative experience and him keeping his body good enough to compete.
Yeah, I guess that it is obvious that 2023 Djokovic would win against 2008 Djokovic! The major question is whether 2023 Djokovic would win against 2011 or 2015 Djokovic? - Probably not.
2023 Djokovic's vastly superior experience and better serving might help him win at least 1/3 times against his younger peak versions.
Nah. He lost to Alcaraz who’s close to his level. He’d lose against Djokovic 2011 and 2015, who are his level.
I said he can win 1/3 times which means he can lose 2/3 times to his younger peak versions.
He loses 9/10.
Well, thats your opinion. In the end, both our numbers are based on gut feelings with no empirical evidence.
In not sure how exactly you can prove it but I’m pretty damn sure his peak is significantly better than his current form
Does he really age though?
Yes. His endurance is way below his peak. His sprint speed has dipped a bit too.
He has a lot more dips during matches and they last longer now, it's pretty obvious to anyone who has watched tennis all these years that his prime version is comfortably superior to now.
slower, but wiser
definitely not.
Nah, they'd break his legs before he could do his old man magic.
A 2011 or 2015 Djokovic competing today would annihilate all competition in the absence of the other big 4 members who during those years he would still usually beat. Not only would he likely win all 4 Slams, he would also be much more active at masters 1000 and 500 level tournaments.
I think 2023 Djokovic could break 2011 and 2015 mentally
Not even prime Nadal could break 2011 Djokovic mentally.
True. Roger did the dirty work at RG that year lol
So if 2023 Novak is winning three slams and one set away from a fourth, how many slams and matches would 2011 Novak win?
He’s putting too much pressure on himself to win the Olympics. Could backfire
It’s a sport, he will find a way to cope. But if you don’t shoot for the stars when you’re at his stage and age, then motivation dries up.
No one puts more pressure on Nole than himself, I think it’s worked out pretty well for him so far.
I think so too, but it's not 2021 anymore. He's the undisputed GOAT by almost any metric now, so it's not as important to achieve
Just shows how much playing for Serbia means to him. If he misses out on this year's Olympics, he will try playing till 2028 for sure.
He will be 41 in 2028, that's not going to happen. 😂 Goran said it as a joke.
I'm going to take a little risk here and say that at 41 y/o Djokovic might probably still be in good enough physical shape to play doubles for Serbia. Singles is another story.
Eh, it’s a best of 3. Knowing the chaotic nature of olympics he has an unrealistic chance in 2028, but still a chance. But 2024 is realistic.
He’s 36 going on 37 now and is EASILY the fittest person on the tour, EASILY outplaying 20 year old prodigies. He’ll have more than enough in the tank at 41 to keep playing against these kids.
I think he himself would tell you he's not 'easily' the fittest on tour, and nor does he 'easily' sweep all the youths. He's the best on tour, yes, but keep the compliments at a realistic level
Don't be delusional please.These same kids will improve further and hit their prime. Do you honestly really think it will be that easy for Djokovic to beat them at age 41?
Honestly. I think Novak at 41 will still be an incredibly tough challenge for these kids. We've seen gens come and go and supposedly reach their primes and Novak has dealt with every single one of them.
You underestimate 'inat'
Inat is what won him many of his slams. He won them out of spite. Goran says if you tell Novak he can't do something he'll prove you wrong and that's the best way to motivate him
I hope Nole gets silver this year and gold in 2028...
Winning gold at 41 would be an insane record. But I'd rather to have both golden and all 4 slams in 2024
Can't wait for Del Po to make a comeback just in time to beat Djokovic in the Olympics
I chuckled like an idiot
I think it's going to be the most watched tennis finals in Olympic history.
Could be Ruud vs Zverev though. Please be Carlos vs Novak though!
It’s at RG. the dream matchup has to be Nadal Djoker in their final ever meeting.
Unfortunately I don’t think Nadal is healthy enough anymore to make it at RG even. But I hope to be proven wrong.
He means the Olympics will be held at the same venue as the RG tournament, e.g. the finals will be played in Philippe-Chatrier stadium. Nadal is actually more likely to play well there than in Roland Garros in his current state, since the Olympics are best of 3 sets, rather than best of 5 like RG
Isn’t the location RG? Like Billie Jean King? I’m not a Parisian so I have no clue. I’m not sure Nadal is healthy enough to handle clay tennis at the ATP level in general. But we can always hope. If not at least a Carlos vs Novak would be epic too.
I think both the tournament and location are referred to as RG honestly. What I'm pointing out as the key distinction here is that Nadal would be more apt to play at the Olympics tournament at the RG venue, than in the RG tournament itself, since Olympics are best of 3. I only mentioned this since OP talked about a hypothetical Nadal vs Djokovic final being the most watched in Olympic history. On a side note, I think Nadal looked quite good in best of 3, his recent words were very optimistic about going to non-best of 5 tournaments post-AO. Clay is also obviously where he excels, but aside from that it's probably less injury prone for him since the ground is softer on his joints. Maybe it's extreme hopium but I think if there's a single tournament this year where he could focus on to make a deep run it would be the Paris Olympics imo
He has to be ranked highly enough to make the olympics in the first place, bubba.
I think he's eligible by virtue of being a past champion, up to Spain's team to decide (you know they'd pick him if he wants to play).
Proof that People never learn. Imagine doubting Rafael Nadal at Roland Garros
IDK, Clay is less harmful than hard court. If he starts the clay season healthy I see a word where he stays healthy until the Olympics.
Goes to show he doesn’t give a fuck about this made up comparison between him and Court. 23 was the record, he beat it
>23 was the record, he beat it The record was 22, he beat it. I don't think Serena's record mattered to him either.
I think he’s always had respect for legacy and the achievements of the greats no matter their gender, he couches his responses accordingly.
then he should have respect for Court's record too
Court's Open era slam record is 11 not 24. No offense, but why should he care about it?
"Open era" thing had no meaning for women tennis. There was no seperate amaterur and pro tours in women tennis. So no pro women tennis player were precluded from competing in slams pre-1968.
She farmed AO against amateurs, be serious now lmfao. No one in their right mind compares her to any open era champ let alone the GOAT or Big 3.
>She farmed AO against amateurs yeah but that has nothing to do with the "open era". As you said she farmed wins in australia OPEN, which was after "open era".
People still don't merge open era and amateur era for obvious reasons, it was a completely different game and tournament seeding etc. A current lower than top 1000 male player could smoke Court, so why even mention her in the same sentence as Novak?
> it was a completely different game and tournament seeding etc. Not really. I literally just told you that "open era" and "amateur era" had no meaning in 1960s and 1970s in women tennis. There was no separate pro and amateru tours in women tennis. So all women tennis players were able to compete in the slams. The open era thing was important in men tennis because there was a separate pro tour and pro men players were not allowed to compete in slams until 1968. If you're claiming that Court's pre-1968 slam wins should not count then you have to tell which women players were not allowed competing in slams before 1968.
to be fair current lower than 1000 male player could smoke like 99% of WTA, but even current WTA would literally destroy anyone from 20 century, the level of fitness is just on a different level scale now
I don't know but it still was a lot more serious than Court's. Because the hyper-professionalized recent era Serena played in.
I never understood the comparisons between different types of tennis. Women play 3 sets. Wheelchair tennis players win a slam in like 3-4 matches iirc. Doubles have more players involved and a wider court. It doesn't make any sense to compare them slam for slam when the road to get to the trophy is so different between them. When the matches are so different, it's just not the same thing. It makes sense why they're different but that difference means it doesn't make sense to compare them.
Of course it's ridiculous. No one is talking about it in good faith.
There you go, Olympics is No. 1 priory.
I'm only half joking when I say that if I had 3 wishes, one of them would be for Novak to win Olympic gold.
Make sure when you do the wish you specify saying it’s singles lol
😂 Good thinking. Don't want some sort of monkeys paw shit happening
If we're getting into monkey paw shenanigans then make you also specify that we're talking about men's tennis. Don't want him somehow winning a gold medal in doubles for women's table tennis.
He’ll win gold for double jump 🏃🏃
Then you’re only half stupid. Making wishes on behalf of multi millionaires, lol.
My 2nd wish will be for you to not take things seriously.
Now you’ve got to tell us how you’d use the third and final.
Non tennis related 3rd wish is world peace. Tennis related (the genie is Agassi) final wish is for Seles to never have been stabbed.
Balanced in all things.
games moved on a lot - most of the current top 20 would beat 2008 nole
Not a single current top 20 player would hold his own on clay as much as 2008 Djokovic did against peak Nadal in Hamburg or RG.
True they'd straight set that Nadal
You're right. I think it's an unpopular view, but when you go back and watch the full matches there's a noticeable difference.
So when you watch Nadal's run in RG 2008, you seriously think he would struggle to win against the current field ? Do me a favour. The level reached by Djokovic, Federer, Nadal and to a lesser extent Murray in the prime Big 4 era hasn't been repeated yet.
I mean, 2009 Usain Bolt was also faster than anyone in the world is now. It does not mean there isn't a noticeable difference between the state of track and field in 2009 and the state of track and field now. The field is much faster now. And 2008 Novak is pretty far removed from 2008 Roland Garros Nadal.
How is the field much faster exactly ? Even excluding Bolt who is an outlier, nobody is currently as quick over 100m as Blake, Gay, Powell and even Gatlin were. It's the same for tennis. Stop acting as if the 2000's and the 2010's are prehistoric times. Nadal won 2 Slams in 2022 whilst still using his racket from almost 2 decades ago.
Compare the instances of sub-10 100s now and the instances of sub-10 100s in 2009. In 2023 there were 40 sub-10 second 100m performances. In 2009 there were 11. There's a huge gap in the quality of the field between now and then. And to reiterate, 2008 Novak was *not* running a 9.6 100m. Only Nadal was, on clay.
We are not arguing about whether the world #40 from 2023 would beat the world #40 from 2008, are we ? We are talking about the very best players in the world. The top 4 players from that era (Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray) are stronger than the current the top 4, on every single surface btw.
World #40 from 2023 would be competitive with the top 10 from 2008 is the point. Nobody said anything about comparing #40 with #40.
Lol no way. Daniel Evans who is currently #40 is not troubling Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Davydenko, Tsonga, Del Potro and Roddick in their 2008 versions.
Never said he would. I was talking about the 40th-best sprinter, not the 40th-best tennis player.
tennis in those few years got MUCH more athletic, big 3 from the old days would have troubles defeating some of newer players, djoko still does it because he adapted
Yeah I'm sure 2008-2014 Nadal (who was way quicker than in 2022 btw) wouldn't find a way to deal with current Ruud in an RG final.
Probably not, but would he get to 17 slams, I don’t think so
Please name me 1 player born in the 1990's who is elite on all 3 surfaces, just 1. You can't ? Then how come the game is getting better ? The Big 4 generation remains the best by far. Obviously the jury is still out on Alcaraz, Sinner and Rune but it will be tough for them to match Federer, Djokovic, Nadal...
I didn’t say that they aren’t the best, but rather that current players are better than opponents of big 3. I think Zverev, even though I don’t like the guy, can do good on every surface. When it comes to Alcaraz, Sinner and Rune it is really hard to make any prediction
Well that's simply not true IMO. Zverev had many occasions to prove himself on grass and still can't have a decent Wimbledon run. Also statistics don't really back up your point... Murray, Del Potro and Tsonga have a better W-L record against the Big 3 than Medvedev and Tsitsipas for example. And bear in mind they weren't facing their grandpa versions. At the very least Murray is easily better than all players born in the 1990's, Del Potro and Wawrinka probably are as well. You could also make a case for Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych, and Soderling when you factor in competition.
just a quick check, del potro vs djoko is 4:16 and medvedev vs djoko is 5:10, wawrinka is 6:21, tsonga is 6:17 and zverev is 4:8 So my point stands
Yeah, all of the greatest from the past wouldn’t hold their ground nowadays, which just makes novak even more impressive, and I say that as someone, who really doesn’t like the guy
Totally normal. A guy playing better at age 36 than he did at 26. All praise be to low-glycemic-index fruits and grain-free diets.
And water imbued with good vibes and “creatina”
He will still get asked the same inane questions by journalists though.
Man, it’s quotes like that scare the shit out of me. Honestly I think he’s gonna go an absolutely bat shit crazy mad one this year and win all 4 slams + Olympic gold + WTF. He’s gonna destroy another gen for the umpteenth time and we’re just gonna be witnesses.
2021 season is probably my 3rd best year for him as well.
>as well I don't know what you mean by "as well". Novak didn't rate 2021 as his top 3.
That's fair. It's why I said my third best for him, not that it is his 3rd best.
I'm not trying to goat rank at this moment, but 2023 was with Nadal out and Federer gone, so that puts it behind '11 and '15 already. Edit: Jesus, I'm getting downvoted because I say its his 3rd best year.
Novak said the same.
So what does that speak about Fed's 2004-2006?
Got em! This is Djokovic circle jerk! Anyone who says anything that could be perceived as not praise must be a fed fan. Get out of here fed fan!
During those years, Fed had to contend with multiple no. 1s, including one Andre Agassi. All this as the rising star, still developing as a player in all aspects. In 2023, a peak Nole *only* had one rising but very inconsistent Alcaraz and maybe Meddie (and Sinner but he really only peaked on Q4) to challenge his dominance. So I do think it’s different to Rogers dominance during those years, and it does make a strong argument to put it behind 2011.
I'm not comparing 2011 and 2023. Also worthwhile to note Fed was in his prime at that time, Novak is in his late 30s. Not the same. And just cause Agassi was a former no.1 didn't mean he played that level consistently against Fed. The elo is similar for the mid 2000s era top players and top players from 2023.
i have optimism that novak can be even better this year. the olympics will push him even further, and he can with that + the 4 slams, especially since he has alcaraz's number now. he didnt take long to be figured out
08 Nole would retire after 2 sets with SARS
He can win Olympics and 0 slams
But people told me that he doesn’t care about the Olympics and they doesn’t matter
Who said Novak doesn't care about it? Playing for his country is always the highest honor. It's his dream to win gold with Serbia. I swear, most of you love making shit up.
Nah people said that they personally don't find Olympics important since it's not a part of ATP. Just because he finds it important doesn't mean that it is to people.
Mate he cares about them for personal reasons not cause it's a trophy he needs to sit in his cabinet. Did you see how his country received him after USO? He literally collapsed in tears. Nobody loves their country more than Novak Djokovic. Now tell me if Nadal would sacrifice RG for Olympics this year
It’s up to Alcaraz to save tennis history
It was up to your daddy to stop another clown from entering this world but here you are…
You talking to me or about Srdjan lolol
Tennis history was saved the moment Novak reached the most grand slams. Would have been a travesty if the best player amongst the best generation in men’s tennis did not end up the GOAT. Tennis is truly saved 🙌
One of the darkest days humanity has ever known
There’s a lot of things worse with our world than a player you don’t like becoming the GOAT buddy. Go outside, breathe air that’s not your own fart.
Exactly
Not happening. Carlos won’t be able to stop Novak he now has a losing record against him.
He literally beat Novak in the Wimbledon final lol one of the toughest feats to beat Novak in five sets and in a grand slam final and he did it 🤦♂️
Yeah and how much did it take out of Carlos to achieve that? Carlos' season went down the shitter after that final and Novak went on an absolute tear destroying everyone in sight. My point is that it takes Carlos to go beyond red-lining _just_ to stand a fighting chance against Novak.
lol Novak is literally the most successful tennis player of all time and yet any slight criticism or joke his crazy fans take so seriously
Novak talks about himself for a change. What a headline.
No one cares
Cared enough to comment though. If you truly didn't care, you would ignore it.
Maybe try not to be such a douche all the time?
Does Novak have to make everything into a competition? “I don’t want to miss too many moments with my children” clearly shading Nadal who felt 2023 was the worst year in his life for missing tennis instead of happy that he got to spend time with his newborn
Man, of bad takes, that is certainly up there.
'23 Djokovic wasn't as talented / gifted as '11 or '15 but he gained experience in winning and knowing how to win / what makes you keep winning. I think '23 Nole would smoke all prior versions just because of this cumulative experience and him keeping his body good enough to compete.
Don't know if he will win the gold medal.