Well yeah, it has to be disappointing for him, but in the last year he didn't perform well and there are many competitive italian players. Also Cobolli missed it for really little, but he will have chances in the future for sure. For Sonego was probably his last opportunity to play at the olympics.
Come on, he didn't win the Davis Cup "as much as Sinner". I'm italian, I like Sonego a lot, and it's sad he didn't make it, but without Sonego we could've won the Davis Cup anyway (he's a good teammate and a good double partner for Sinner, but he's not irreplaceable), without Sinner we would have probably been out in the semis.
Edit: just to add... I would have liked Sonego much more than Musetti to be in a double with Sinner.
I hope you're right. I say these things but I'm always hopeful when he's playing (:
I think he needs a better coach than his childhood club teacher though, but I heard a recent interview which made me realize he doesn't and won't change coach.
Watching tennis is Olympics is such an different experience as a tennis fan , you get see different double pairs , it comes once in 4 years , playing Olympics becomes really big Feat in a sportsman career and winning a medal for your country, especially if you are from a small country is really special
Yes absolutely! Gonzalez and Massu getting medals in the Olympics is still regarded by a majority of Chileans as the greatest sporting feat in the country's history. Not even kidding a little bit.
Because it was epic AF. Singles and doubles absolutely dominated by both. González would’ve make the final in singles if it wasn’t for his ankle injury against Mardy Fish, and we would’ve had an all Chilean Olympics final. He even played for bronze with the ankle injury and won 16-14 I believe in the third set, and hours later went on for the doubles finals alongside Massu and won it, while saving match points against the Germans. And then later Massú won the singles in an epic 5 setter against Fish. It was an absolutely epic tale by both.
Countries can bring at most 6 players of each gender. The top four singles players and any doubles players ranked in the top 10 automatically qualify and Vavassori as number 10 can choose anyone in the top 300 as his partner and he sensibly chose Bolelli who is ranked 11 in doubles and who he just made the French Open final with. No more spots for Sonego unfortunately and the second doubles spot must go to singles players already qualified.
I think the mixed doubles could be Vavassori Errani, their combined doubles ranking would allow them to qualify. Paolini is already playing two events so she may not want to play a third.
Fair enough. I’m thinking Errani in mixed might be a massive liability, but good point on Paolini playing 3 events. Bear in mind tho that doubles and mixed are played with no-ad and a 3rd set super tiebreak.
Cobolli is probably the second best player and left out of the squad... How Musetti manages to stay into the top 30 with his inconsistency is incredible.
This year Cobolli will probably surpass Musetti in the rankings. As will Arnaldi and Darderi. Saying this with sadness because I really hoped Musetti could reach his full potential.
I get and I am in the same boat. He has the talent to be top5 for 10 years but at this point it is clear he has mental issues that tie him back.
On the contrary Cobolli Arnaldi and Darderi are huge fighters ready to crush top 30, with Cobolli imo having chances of top 10 imo. Cobolli's growth in such a short time has been astonishing.
I m not so sure. He doesn't have many points to defend, and I actually saw him playing pretty well at Roland Garros. He can perform well on grass and the following hc season. We always expect a lot from him, and maybe we have lower expectations from Cobolli, Arnaldi and the rest, but it doesn't mean they are better players.
Berrettinis clay accomplishments a bit underrated tbh, if he’s actually healthy he’s probably the 2nd best Italian on clay currently. He’s not there either though
Yeah idk about Musetti, I feel like he’s done terrible this year but he’s somehow 32 in the live race. Seems less threatening than Arnaldi and Darderi at Olympics though if you ask me
Noob question:
Wouldn't doubles exhaust a player focused on singles? Is there a motive to play that I am missing?
I felt Djokovic tired himself last time doing the same, but I might be wrong
Well the reason why all top players play doubles at the Olympics is that doubles still gives out medals. So ultimately, from a national Olympics Committee perspective, they bring the same value (1 gold medal = 1 gold medal).
from what I learned - yes they do get exhausted sometimes. But you can get a medal - which is as good as one from singles. Not a much smaller award prize like on normal tournaments
No 4th player for the Women's singles? I guess Errani decided to focus on the doubles. Either way, really happy about the selections, Bolelli-Vavassori and Sinner-Musetti are some very doubles team to have
Only three Italian women have a high enough ranking. Errani is next up but I have her as the 7th alternate on my entry list right now so it would take quite a bit to get her in the singles draw
Trevisan is ranked even lower than Errani. Countries are not guaranteed 4 spots per nation. Players need to make the cut (like in a standard tournament).
Argh, I saw other comments about Sonego... I knew there was someone missing there! Such a shame for Lorenzo, although he might be around for the 2028 Games.
Apart from Sinner/Musetti there, Paolini/Errani will be super strong.
Honest question so please correct me if I’m wrong…I thought you had to play in the Davis Cup or BJK Cup to qualify for the Olympics? Wouldn’t that mean Darderi doesn’t qualify?
There are a few exceptions to that rule and I think two exceptions apply to Darderi:
1. Being a newcomer / Only reached a high ranking at the end of the Olympic cycle (last year he wasn’t ranked high enough to be called)
2. Strength of a nation - when there are too many highly ranked players to compete with in the country (which of course is the case for Italy).
Basically the general idea is that the exception can apply given that it’s not his fault he didn’t play, he simply wasn’t called as there were too many other players to choose from.
Feel really bad for Sonego, he shouldn't play his life to get the team to Spain last year. Without him, they wouldn't even have chances to beat the Dutch, Djokovic and Aussie, and brought the Davis cup back home
If we talked about that level, he deserves a spot in the team than everyone including the new atp no.1. Life is rude, I hope he can win Washington and plays well Canadian master
I mean he is not here because he is isn’t in the top 4 Italians (he’s 6th), so it’s not really anyone’s fault, apart from his own in a sense for performing quite badly this year. It’s not like the Federation could force people to withdraw 🤷🏻♂️
I said "Life is rude", he brings the biggest team honor for the country(he is arguable contribution more than the new atp no.1 as he was the only reason that Italy got qualified to Davis cup final and he won 2 double matches too ), now he is the only one who couldn't play in olympic.
For me, he deserves a spot more than Musetti and Darderi and arguable sinner(well, not the case of winning a medal, and yes a medal, now I am sure the team gen Z will out in R1 in OG men double ) And he deserves special treatment, or I shouldn't call it special treatment, I should call it a payback for bringing the Davis cup back home. Italian Federation can leave him in USA, it is nothing wrong in the procedures, but for me it is rude and sad to Sonego
I mean that is very arguable that he is the one that contributed the most. Sinner won all his singles and the doubles in the Finals, so without him they would have literally been kicked out in the quarters or in the semis.
In the group stage Arnaldi went 2-0 in singles and he went 1-1, plus a not influential win in doubles against Chile.
So all in all I don’t really think we can say he is the one that contributed the most? Everyone contributed to their abilities, but clearly without Sinner they could have never won the Finals, and without Arnaldi and Sonego they would have never qualified.
That is why I said I feel bad. Hey, relax, I didn't say mr new atp no.1 doesn't bring his country the davis cup and I didn't say Arnaldi doesn't deserves a spot. and I don't want to start the useless discussion for if they played the Davis cup final like 22, could they win?
sonego beat jarry was the key for qualified, Arnaldi beat 2 100+ players that two other italians actually beat in the challenge tour. At least we all agree he contributed more than Musetti, right?
Let's be realistic, the only men players that have chances to win medals sinner in Single and the team RG runner-up in double. musetti, darderi and sonego means nothing different to the Italian Federation.
I leave this comment because I don't like Musetti gets all the adavantages with all his losses in Davis cup
But Sonego lost to Galarneu for instance. I just don’t agree with the claim that Sonego was the one that contributed the most to the Davis Cup success last year, cause I don’t think facts support it. That’s all 😊
Are you really saying that we should leave Sinner (current n1) at home to favor Sonego? It is sad for him, i agree, and I think Sinner would have prefered to play double with him, but unfortunately the numbers are against him.
leave Musetti at home as punishment or at least not let him play double(I am not worry for this, I am sure Sinner will punish him by losing their match in R1 to increase his chance to win the gold medal in single)
He was monumental in that Davis Cup, that much it true. However, he's definitely not having a good season so far, thus Darderi and Arnaldi definitely deserve a spot over him
sonego won italy the davis cup as much as sinner btw, so sad he didn't make it.
Unfortunately he's fallen quite deep in the rankings to bring him along. Arnaldi just beat Rublev at RG and Darderi is a clay specialist pretty much
Well yeah, it has to be disappointing for him, but in the last year he didn't perform well and there are many competitive italian players. Also Cobolli missed it for really little, but he will have chances in the future for sure. For Sonego was probably his last opportunity to play at the olympics.
Is he injured? I guess Sinner prefer Sonego
Come on, he didn't win the Davis Cup "as much as Sinner". I'm italian, I like Sonego a lot, and it's sad he didn't make it, but without Sonego we could've won the Davis Cup anyway (he's a good teammate and a good double partner for Sinner, but he's not irreplaceable), without Sinner we would have probably been out in the semis. Edit: just to add... I would have liked Sonego much more than Musetti to be in a double with Sinner.
I hope you're right. I say these things but I'm always hopeful when he's playing (: I think he needs a better coach than his childhood club teacher though, but I heard a recent interview which made me realize he doesn't and won't change coach.
Imagine Paolini and Sinner as the mixed doubles team for just the height difference alone
Vavassori with any of the Italian women would also be pretty funny tbf
I mean we saw isner and Diego win together
Watching tennis is Olympics is such an different experience as a tennis fan , you get see different double pairs , it comes once in 4 years , playing Olympics becomes really big Feat in a sportsman career and winning a medal for your country, especially if you are from a small country is really special
Yes absolutely! Gonzalez and Massu getting medals in the Olympics is still regarded by a majority of Chileans as the greatest sporting feat in the country's history. Not even kidding a little bit.
Because it was epic AF. Singles and doubles absolutely dominated by both. González would’ve make the final in singles if it wasn’t for his ankle injury against Mardy Fish, and we would’ve had an all Chilean Olympics final. He even played for bronze with the ankle injury and won 16-14 I believe in the third set, and hours later went on for the doubles finals alongside Massu and won it, while saving match points against the Germans. And then later Massú won the singles in an epic 5 setter against Fish. It was an absolutely epic tale by both.
When you're the only guy who has ever won gold medals for your country you do get well regarded :v
Not Sinner-Sonego :( I mean, I understand but Sinner & Sonego look like they have so much fun together
Sonego hasn’t qualified unfortunately!
Countries can bring at most 6 players of each gender. The top four singles players and any doubles players ranked in the top 10 automatically qualify and Vavassori as number 10 can choose anyone in the top 300 as his partner and he sensibly chose Bolelli who is ranked 11 in doubles and who he just made the French Open final with. No more spots for Sonego unfortunately and the second doubles spot must go to singles players already qualified.
My first thoughts too. Sad they're not getting to play doubles together
I think the mixed doubles could be Vavassori Errani, their combined doubles ranking would allow them to qualify. Paolini is already playing two events so she may not want to play a third.
Fair enough. I’m thinking Errani in mixed might be a massive liability, but good point on Paolini playing 3 events. Bear in mind tho that doubles and mixed are played with no-ad and a 3rd set super tiebreak.
Mentally and physically preparing for 3 separate events at the same time sucks no matter what in this era though
Also Vava has already some experience in mixed doubles (with Samsonova)
Italian tennis Olympics team ❎️ Italian tennis Olympics + fashion models team ✅️ Their kits might as well be designed by Armani/Prada/Gucci 😆
You joke, but the Italian Olympic kit literally is designed by Armani 🤣: https://www.armani.com/en-tn/experience/ea7/olympic-games
Lololol 🤣
Cobolli is probably the second best player and left out of the squad... How Musetti manages to stay into the top 30 with his inconsistency is incredible.
This year Cobolli will probably surpass Musetti in the rankings. As will Arnaldi and Darderi. Saying this with sadness because I really hoped Musetti could reach his full potential.
I get and I am in the same boat. He has the talent to be top5 for 10 years but at this point it is clear he has mental issues that tie him back. On the contrary Cobolli Arnaldi and Darderi are huge fighters ready to crush top 30, with Cobolli imo having chances of top 10 imo. Cobolli's growth in such a short time has been astonishing.
I m not so sure. He doesn't have many points to defend, and I actually saw him playing pretty well at Roland Garros. He can perform well on grass and the following hc season. We always expect a lot from him, and maybe we have lower expectations from Cobolli, Arnaldi and the rest, but it doesn't mean they are better players.
Berrettinis clay accomplishments a bit underrated tbh, if he’s actually healthy he’s probably the 2nd best Italian on clay currently. He’s not there either though Yeah idk about Musetti, I feel like he’s done terrible this year but he’s somehow 32 in the live race. Seems less threatening than Arnaldi and Darderi at Olympics though if you ask me
Noob question: Wouldn't doubles exhaust a player focused on singles? Is there a motive to play that I am missing? I felt Djokovic tired himself last time doing the same, but I might be wrong
Well the reason why all top players play doubles at the Olympics is that doubles still gives out medals. So ultimately, from a national Olympics Committee perspective, they bring the same value (1 gold medal = 1 gold medal).
r/theydidthemath lol
No💀
Thanks!
I mean Federer and Stan only won their Olympic golds in doubles - a gold is a gold
Good point!
from what I learned - yes they do get exhausted sometimes. But you can get a medal - which is as good as one from singles. Not a much smaller award prize like on normal tournaments
Yeah, I see. Thank you!
It's only best of 3 sets at least
Nice! Those Italians have such good players! Wish them lots of success at the Olympics
All doubles going to Italy
No 4th player for the Women's singles? I guess Errani decided to focus on the doubles. Either way, really happy about the selections, Bolelli-Vavassori and Sinner-Musetti are some very doubles team to have
Only three Italian women have a high enough ranking. Errani is next up but I have her as the 7th alternate on my entry list right now so it would take quite a bit to get her in the singles draw
She hasn’t qualified in singles. She’s not far off in the alternates list tho, so she might still make it with some withdrawals.
>She hasn’t qualified in singles Then shouldn't Trevisan be the one competing in singles?
Trevisan is ranked even lower than Errani. Countries are not guaranteed 4 spots per nation. Players need to make the cut (like in a standard tournament).
Oh, I didn't know that. My bad
What ranking is the cut?
56 of the 64 spots are rank based, with a maximum of 4 people per country
Argh, I saw other comments about Sonego... I knew there was someone missing there! Such a shame for Lorenzo, although he might be around for the 2028 Games. Apart from Sinner/Musetti there, Paolini/Errani will be super strong.
Damn I feel bad for Jannik
Vavassori with Errani are both pretty complimentary Jannik with Jasmine would also work
Honest question so please correct me if I’m wrong…I thought you had to play in the Davis Cup or BJK Cup to qualify for the Olympics? Wouldn’t that mean Darderi doesn’t qualify?
There are a few exceptions to that rule and I think two exceptions apply to Darderi: 1. Being a newcomer / Only reached a high ranking at the end of the Olympic cycle (last year he wasn’t ranked high enough to be called) 2. Strength of a nation - when there are too many highly ranked players to compete with in the country (which of course is the case for Italy). Basically the general idea is that the exception can apply given that it’s not his fault he didn’t play, he simply wasn’t called as there were too many other players to choose from.
Got it, thank you for the explanation ☺️
I would go with Paolini and Bolelli as the MD pairing. Maybe Errani and Boleli Strong team
I think that the mixed double will be Errani/Vavassori (I also heard some rumours, but not 100% sure)
Didn’t Sinner played doubles with another Italian player? 🤔
Yes, Sonego. He couldn't qualify, though
Ohh yeah, it was Sonego 👍🏻
Feel really bad for Sonego, he shouldn't play his life to get the team to Spain last year. Without him, they wouldn't even have chances to beat the Dutch, Djokovic and Aussie, and brought the Davis cup back home If we talked about that level, he deserves a spot in the team than everyone including the new atp no.1. Life is rude, I hope he can win Washington and plays well Canadian master
I mean he is not here because he is isn’t in the top 4 Italians (he’s 6th), so it’s not really anyone’s fault, apart from his own in a sense for performing quite badly this year. It’s not like the Federation could force people to withdraw 🤷🏻♂️
I said "Life is rude", he brings the biggest team honor for the country(he is arguable contribution more than the new atp no.1 as he was the only reason that Italy got qualified to Davis cup final and he won 2 double matches too ), now he is the only one who couldn't play in olympic. For me, he deserves a spot more than Musetti and Darderi and arguable sinner(well, not the case of winning a medal, and yes a medal, now I am sure the team gen Z will out in R1 in OG men double ) And he deserves special treatment, or I shouldn't call it special treatment, I should call it a payback for bringing the Davis cup back home. Italian Federation can leave him in USA, it is nothing wrong in the procedures, but for me it is rude and sad to Sonego
I mean that is very arguable that he is the one that contributed the most. Sinner won all his singles and the doubles in the Finals, so without him they would have literally been kicked out in the quarters or in the semis. In the group stage Arnaldi went 2-0 in singles and he went 1-1, plus a not influential win in doubles against Chile. So all in all I don’t really think we can say he is the one that contributed the most? Everyone contributed to their abilities, but clearly without Sinner they could have never won the Finals, and without Arnaldi and Sonego they would have never qualified.
That is why I said I feel bad. Hey, relax, I didn't say mr new atp no.1 doesn't bring his country the davis cup and I didn't say Arnaldi doesn't deserves a spot. and I don't want to start the useless discussion for if they played the Davis cup final like 22, could they win? sonego beat jarry was the key for qualified, Arnaldi beat 2 100+ players that two other italians actually beat in the challenge tour. At least we all agree he contributed more than Musetti, right? Let's be realistic, the only men players that have chances to win medals sinner in Single and the team RG runner-up in double. musetti, darderi and sonego means nothing different to the Italian Federation. I leave this comment because I don't like Musetti gets all the adavantages with all his losses in Davis cup
But Sonego lost to Galarneu for instance. I just don’t agree with the claim that Sonego was the one that contributed the most to the Davis Cup success last year, cause I don’t think facts support it. That’s all 😊
Are you really saying that we should leave Sinner (current n1) at home to favor Sonego? It is sad for him, i agree, and I think Sinner would have prefered to play double with him, but unfortunately the numbers are against him.
leave Musetti at home as punishment or at least not let him play double(I am not worry for this, I am sure Sinner will punish him by losing their match in R1 to increase his chance to win the gold medal in single)
He was monumental in that Davis Cup, that much it true. However, he's definitely not having a good season so far, thus Darderi and Arnaldi definitely deserve a spot over him
Nothing special