I know this has been beaten to death, but a chiro shouldn't be treating you for this
I am and xray/ct tech and those second 2 images are terrible and non diagnostic. Based on the first image (c-spine lateral) he actually might be onto something because i don't think i've a C1 vertebrae protrude so anteriorly but i don't know for sure.
I suggest going to your PCP and getting some xrays done by an actual tech and read by an actual radiologist and see what they think
And don’t forget to ask for a copy of your xrays, so they can be evaluated by a real, practicing radiologist (MD). You might get the “ you don’t trust me?” song and dance.
Yea, just in case you don’t know, chiropractors are not medical professionals of any kind. One shattered my grandfather’s vertebra and he had a hard time doing much for the last twenty years of his life.
True. And here is some compiled information about it;
Chiropractors
Myles Power
https://youtu.be/1NYG40oa7Eg
Answer: Chiropractic as a whole is pseudoscience. There are a bunch of factors relating to this so ill break down some common stuff about it. From the very beginning of the profession it was nonsense.
The founder of chiropractic claiming that " adjusting the spine is the cure for all diseases for the human race". When he performed the world's first chiropractic adjustment he claimed that he cured a mans deafness.
**If it is Pseudoscience why is it covered / popular in my area?**
Despite this it is commonly used and covered by insurance in the United States, Canada and Australia among other places. While there are many anecdotal stories of adjustments helping people, the evidence doesn't back that up. There is lukewarm evidence that it can help with lower back pain, with most credible research putting it on par with getting a massage
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27487116/).
Adjustments can feel good at the time, releasing endorphins and making patients feel better in the moment, they do not actually treat underlying issues because they are not medical doctors. They do not go to medical school and often get their degrees from *questionable universities.* There is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to criticism of chiropractic [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_criticism) and a pretty well sourced article [here](https://mylespower.co.uk/2019/08/06/chiropractic-quackery-hiding-in-plain-sight/) for further reading on this aspect of things.
The real medical professionals who deal with back issues and the like are physiotherapists but they are expensive. Since [Lobbying](https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2019/08/19/545-million-per-year-wasnt-enough-for-chiropractors-now-theyre-lobbying-for-much-more/?sh=416383871f7a) has resulted in insurance and medical coverage for chiropractic (and other pseudoscience) people see it as a cheaper and faster way to get treatment.
**Chiropractors are not Doctors?**
Most chiropractors have Doctorates but are not Medical Doctors. A good Majority of schools that teach Chiropractic are diploma mills that usually also offer degrees in other various forms of pseudoscience including courses advocating homeopathy.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy)
There are two main schools of thought in chiropractic and you can find educations in both fairly easily in the US.
The first school "mixers" : "are more open to mainstream views and conventional medical techniques, such as exercise, massage, and ice therapy."
The second school "straights": "emphasize vitalism, "Innate Intelligence", and consider vertebral subluxations to be the cause of all diseases"
In 2008 the majority of chiropractors were identified as "straights". While that number has declined in recent years that has declined. In 2019 a study showed that around 33% of chiropractors websites mentioned vertebral subluxations, with 8% marketing chiropractor adjustments to children
[(source)]
(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337234446_The_subluxation_issue_an_analysis_of_chiropractic_clinic_website)
Even if all mixers use strict scientifically backed treatments and confine their work to the lower back, there is no way to know what type of treatment you will receive since there is no way to know the exact beliefs of any given chiropractor.
One final anti science fact about chiropractors is that in 2016 [Andrew Wakefield](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield) (the disgraced former doctor who incorrectly linked vaccines to autism) was the keynote speaker at the "Annual Conference on Chiropractic and Pediatrics" in the United states. Internet searches for "chiropractors" and "vaccination" will show some disappointing information since about 19% of chiropractors [in 2016] were openly anti vaxx.
(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/17/some-chiropractors-turn-their-backs-on-vaccines/23582549/))
**The dangers**
There is also danger in procedures themselves, especially when dealing with the neck. A somewhat common tool is the Y-strap, which is fastened to a patients head and then forcefully tugged to decompress the vertebra. This has been known to cause short term injuries in the muscles and backs of some patients.
People have been left paralyzed after neck adjustments at a chiropractor.
Dr. Chris Raynor also has several videos that go into the:
[dangers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTG0SnUPY8) and
[injuries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9o4Nu3XrrY) sustained
Also if you want a "Doctor" who does massages and "cracking" then you should look for a D.O.
("A doctor of osteopathic medicine, also known as a D.O., is a fully trained and licensed doctor. A doctor of osteopathic medicine graduates from a U.S. osteopathic medical school. A doctor of medicine, also known as an M.D., graduates from a traditional medical school.
A major difference between D.O.s and M.D.s is that some doctors of osteopathic medicine use manual medicine as part of treatment. Manual medicine can include hands-on work on joints and tissues and massage.
After medical school, both kinds of doctors must complete training as residents in the specialty they choose. They also must pass the same licensing exam before they can treat people and prescribe medicines."
I went to a chiropractor in my late teens, thinking they were just spine/back doctors. The cracking/pysical therapy seemed benign enough, but one day he went totally off the rails. He got out all these little vials, including one he said had arsenic in it. He claimed that when he held it to my chest, my legs became stronger. I was done after that.
Everytime I have a mild car accident, my attorney works with a chiropractor and tells me to come three times a week for three months even though I'm fine so they can pad the insurance claims. No wonder our insurance rates in california are so high and most are leaving the state but I don't know what the solution is.
Good Lord! Stop letting your TV be your source of information.
According to the Insurance Research Council, Florida and Washington, D.C. have the highest rates of insurance fraud cases per capita.
And no, everyone is not leaving California but hey if you want to join the ones that are leaving, good luck with that.
As someone with both a Chiropractic degree and an MD degree …. I’ll just going to say Chiropractic malpractice insurance is literally a fraction of MD malpractice insurance cost. There are screw ups in every profession … especially the MD who ordered the IV of Gentamicin on me after I told him I had mild tinnitus … causing me to go catastrophic and I’ve now been out of work for 6+ years.
Could a reason be that there are 10x as many?
92,000 doctors in Canada (552,310 in America) and only 9,000 (48,500 America) Chiropractors? I could go on but that is not a sound metric. The human body is vastly complex and we are still sciencing medication interactions and still smoothing out consistent decent medical schooling. And don't even get me started on the law and sueing in the medical arena of America... wow.
I have also had bad reactions to medications, it took years to hone my R.A medications (5 different ones, from pills to biologicals) those doctors weren't maliciously using pseudoscience... we didn't know... with chiropractors, as a profession, we do know.
From country to country this may be entirely true... I definitely am Canada/America/Eurocentric so that is where I am coming from... the stuff I hear about some countries just blows my mind people live so long.
You guys sound so delusional. Think about how much your head weighs. If it's tilted to one side, think how much tension that puts on your neck muscles. And those muscles connect to the muscles in your ears. It's just common sense if you actually gave it some thought.
Over time it will if it stays in place, which it eventyally will. Physical therapy is good too to help train you to maintain good posture to keep your adjustments in place. But physical therapy most likely won't move your c1 on its own.
And not sure why a physical therapist's certifications would be more legitimate than an uppercervical chiro's. That's the dumbest shit I heard all day.
No one is saying neck issues can't cause tinnitus.
They are just saying that if your neck is causing your tinnitus, then go to someone who is actually qualified to treat you, not some quack FFS.
Like who? That's what uppercervical chiro's are for. That's what they do.
The only thing the doctor will try to do is surgery. SURGERY SHOULD BE YOUR ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT. You do not need surgery for this. Myself and many others are proof of that. My hyperacusis and reactive tinnitus are gone thanks to my chiro.
Next you are gonna tell me Dentists are also quacks cuz they aren't real doctors.
Dentists do 4 years of undergrad, and 4 years of Dentistry college.
Chiro was founded by a guy trained by a ghost.
There are actual medical professionals that can help (and don't rely on surgery)
My chiro has an undergrad and 4 year degree at a chiropractic college. Not sure what point you are trying to make. They are a medical professional. And they fixed my body and made my tinnitus, TTTS, and hyperacusis go away.
True. Tilt your head to the other side. Problem solved.
You don't need someone to use a LOT of force for that, which can cause permanent damage to your spine.
That's going to feel very unnatural, and the rest of your body would still be off balance.
It isn't actually much force. The adjustment is precise. Not forceful. You are way more likely to fuck up your spine driving a car or working an office job. Look up the blair method. It's not at all what you are making it out to be.
Chiropractors are the tarot readers of the physical therapy field. It's quackery and doesn't actually help. There's plenty of news articles online of people getting paralyzed for life from a chiropractor.
See a physical therapist. That's **NOT** causing your pulsatile tinnitus.
I’ve successfully used a chiropractor for a lower back injury where I pulled a muscle. I would not recommend one for anything involving the neck. You want an actual physician for that. There’s too much at stake.
Plz don't let these bullies scare you. A good upper cervical doesn't do these cracking adjustments, you are right. The adjustments are extremely subtle. But work wonders. AND THEY WON'T ADJUST YOU UNLESS YOU NEED IT. I see my Upper Cervical chiro once a month. And right now my c1/c2 only get adjusted like every 8 months or so. Because I've been holding the adjustment and they won't touch it if it's already level.
Dude, it's pseudoscience. Nobody here is a bully. We're trying to advise OP to see **an actual medical doctor who specializes in this** and not someone reading tea leaves and aligning your chakras. Your "good experience" is purely the result of the placebo effect.
It is a science. They train in proven methods to treat c1 and c2 misalignment. They aren't making anything up. You'd rather OP go through an absolutely unnecessary surgery that is just as likely to fuck them up even further?
You do realize how much training a chiropractor goes through to get their license right? A proper chiropractor will have a medical license and as someone who has multiple issues do to misaligned spinal cord as well as a neck visibly bending the opposite direction as normal due to pre-existing conditions as well as whiplash I have had an extremely noticeable difference in both my pain levels and where my spine and neck used to be.
A homeopath can go through 40 years of training and still be a fraud. Chiropractors have no process for scientific review, and any of their purported teachings fail any scientific scrutiny. Do you think an Alchemist is something other than a fraud if he spends 40 years studying Alchemy?
The overwhelming majority of chiropractors are not medical doctors LOL.
The placebo effect is a powerful thing, especially if you refuse to believe you've been had
I'm truly sorry you are suffering. But just cuz you are suffering doesn't mean you should try to keep OP from seeing someone who can actually help them.
My experience is a "placebo"? You for real dude? You don't know me. You don't know how much I suffered. How I nearly committed suicide cuz of how bad my hyperacusis and tinnitus were. For months I could barely leave the house cuz everything was too loud. Took me over a year to realize it was neck related. And I got immediate relief after my 1st C1 adjustment. My reactive tinnitus and hyperacusis have now been gone for 3 years. But sure.... it was just a placebo. Let's downvote and hate on the dude who can ACTUALLY help you.
> But just cuz you are suffering doesn't mean you should try to keep OP from seeing someone who can actually help them.
You're right! I shouldn't try to keep OP from a **licensed medical doctor that specializes in this type of thing**.
Keep in mind, Pulsatile tinnitus **has a physical cause**. This physical cause is not OP's chakras being misaligned like the crackpot chiropractor will tell you. What that physical cause may end up being are almost entirely circulatory.
>You don't know me
I know you're under the age of 20 and your struggle is the worst anyone has ever encountered in the world.
>How I nearly committed suicide cuz of how bad my hyperacusis and tinnitus were.
And yet here you are, selling snake oil to people who are suffering because you bought it yourself.
>Let's downvote and hate on the dude who can ACTUALLY help you.
Are you trying to reverse psychology your way into getting upvotes? No, we downvote you for shit advice.
Wow... you're a real piece of shit, huh? I still hope you find silence, cuz I wish this shit on no one But you have a lot of growing up to do before you'll probably get there. Good luck with that.
Yes here I am, tinnitus free. Are you? Gee... I wonder which of us has better advice. The one who beat their tinnitus, or the one with tinnitus hating on those who got silence.
I'm just here cuz it popped up on my feed. And I went through this same thing, and I actually have experience that can be beneficial. I dont give a fuck about upvotes or downvotes. I'm just here to help. Why are you here?
> Why are you here?
Apparently to stop people from following advice that [has been shown to paralyze people.](https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/georgia-woman-paralyzed-after-routine-chiropractor-visit/)
> cuz I wish this shit on no one
If this is the worst thing you've ever encountered, you have lived a pampered life.
>Yes here I am, tinnitus free. Are you? Gee... I wonder which of us has better advice.
Probably the person who *actually has a problem*, gone through the motions, dealt with it, and wasn't "cured" by the placebo effect. Once you habituate, it really isn't a big deal.
>And I went through this same thing
Cute that you assume all tinnitus is the same. Pulastile is a special flavor that has cardiac involvement. Your chiropractor who got his degree from a diploma mill and studied anthropology in undergrad probably isn't able to use such big words as "cardiac".
How could i have gotten rid of my tinnitus without "going through the motions?" I had it for 3 years. You aren't making any sense.
Clearly you are the one assuming all tinnitus is the same. Not all tinnitus can be habituated. Its level of magnitude varies greatly.
But anyways, enjoy your tinnitus, bro ✌️ since you seem to be married to it. With this attitude, you'll have it for a very long time.
I'm sorry. But I couldn't disagree more. Getting my atlas leveled by a good upper cervical chiro saved my life. Multi-tone tinnitus, reactive tinnitus, hyperacusis, ttts. I had it bad.
A broken clock is right twice a day. You just happened to be the right patient.
The chiropractor will diagnose the next 100 people with the exact same bogus thing they diagnosed you with and scam them. Just because it worked for you doesn’t mean they aren’t quacks.
I've talked with many others who went through the same thing and got relief. I did my research before I saw them. What proof do you have they are a quack and that my life changing improvement is just a coincidence?
Look up the history of chiropractors. The creator of the chiropractic method was a “magnetic healer”, essentially a snake oil salesman. The entire practice is based on the concept of “[subluxations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_subluxation)”, which no evidence has ever been found to actually exists. Seeing a chiropractor may help some people, but it’s because of the placebo effect, not because the chiropractor is helping.
If you actually research chiropractors from sources not funded by chiropractors themself you’ll come to the same conclusion.
Edit: Another tell all for whether something is quack medicine or pseudoscience is when the practitioner claims they can cure any disease and never turns away a patient. If you go to a heart doctor for a skin disease, they’ll tell you that they can’t help and you should go see a dermatologist. This is the case for any legit medical practitioner.
However if you go see a chiropractor, homeopath/naturopath, or acupuncturist (to name a few), they will always tell you they can cure you (so they can take your money). If this doesn’t raise some alarm bells idk what to tell you.
huh....? You're on some weird shit, dude.
>creator of the chiropractic method
There isn't just one method. Some are better than others. Which is why you need to do research on that method. Instead of doing pointless research on the the 'creator of the chiropractic method,' which isn't even a real thing.
>If you actually research chiropractors from sources not funded by chiropractors themself you’ll come to the same conclusion.
My TTTS, hyperacusis, and reactive tinnitus are gone. The only conclusion I can come to is that it worked. And it's the same conclusion that many others I spoke to who went through the same thing.
>If this doesn’t raise some alarm bells idk what to tell you.
You don't need to tell me anything. My tinnitus is gone. Is yours?
I’m not making a statement on tinnitus, I’m talking about pseudoscientists in general, which includes chiropractors. I’m happy your tinnitus is cured, that’s a huge life improvement, but I will not stand by as someone touts the success of chiropractors when it is a proven pseudoscience.
And the founder of chiropacty is real [person](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_David_Palmer), this isn’t some ancient technique like they will lead you to believe. It was founded in the 1800’s. Any “method” you refer to is a branch from the original method founded by Palmer (iirc his son had a rivaling business hence the branching), but it’s all built off the same back of Palmers pseudoscience. I encourage you to google “history of chiropractors” and do your own research (but make sure it’s a source not funded by chiropractors…) because this is all widely known stuff.
Edit: Just for context I’ve given plenty of money to both chiropractors and naturopaths to cure my own shit, only to find out the truth that they are pseudoscientists, which is partially why I am vocal about this.
That's a bit disingenuous tho. Do you know the kooky shit MDs were practicing in the 1800s? You could use the same arguments against them. Things do change & evolve for the better.
I've already done my research. That's how I found the blair method and a community of patients who have/used to have various forms of tinnitus and vertigo. Very very few of them didn't get some form of relief/improvement. It's not going to help everyone. Only if your tinnitus is neck or jaw related. And a good chiropractor won't adjust you unless you need it. There are bad chiros just like are bad Doctors. And yes, there are some very very bad doctors out there. Going to school and passing a test doesn't automatically make you good at your job.
You need to do your own research. I, too, have seen a bad chiro before. But there are also very good chiros out there who can help. So you are very clearly just spreading smooth-brained misinformation.
I'm willing to bet you also spent a lot of money seeing M.D.s to help your tinnitus (i did too). Did they help? Didn't think so.....
How long did you have it for? Recently visited one and after X-rays etc he said I need work done to align my upper neck. I’ve had issues with it for years
Sorry, do you mean how long did I have the ear issues for? Or how long did I get uppercervical treatment for?
I had tinnitus for a little over 2 years starting in 2019. And it kept getting progressively worse over time. Got louder. More tones were added. Some were reactive. And got really bad hyperacusis. I started to realize my tinnitus could be manipulated by my neck and jaw. I did a bunch of research, and landed on Blair Uppercervical as being the best method from what I read. I was lucky there is one in my city.
I've been seeing them for 3 years. Right now I only see them every 6 weeks. And they haven't needed to adjust my c1 or c2 since about 8 months ago. It's been holding. And my symptoms are gone. They have occasionally cret back very subtley (no where near as bad as before) if my c1 or c2 is off. But they dissipate again after an adjustment.
You’re getting downvoted but it’s true. I’ve had work on my neck and it’s certainly relieved my spinal tension. Used to have back and neck problems and visiting this one good chiropractor really helped out
Edit: crazy people are downvoting me because I said my chiropractor actually *helped* me. It’s like people would rather me just be in pain instead of believing that some chiropractors actually work
Yeah it"s a shame. My reactive tinnitus and hyperacusus have been gone for 3 years now thanks to uppercervical care. Some times it seems like a lot of ppl in these tinnitus groups don't actually want help. Just addicted to the suffering. But I somewhat understand. I've been there. It seemed like there was no cure. That's what I was trained to believe. And I also had my doubts about this stuff. But I did my own research. And it made made sense to me. So I went to a Blair Uppercervical Chiro in my area, and it saved my life. Pretty sure I would have committed suicide if I went much longer with my level of tinnitus and hyperacusis.
Yeah man I’m glad you’re doing better. It’s like people would rather you spend tens of thousands of dollars on what is “normal” medical care instead of paying just $40-$200 per visit and receive similar care.
If you are going to a chiropractor, they are either doing physical therapy or they are doing something that is not a bona fide medical therapy.
Instead of disproving the criticisms of their unscientific, non-evidence-based hoodoo, they promote paranoid conspiracy theories that they are being persecuted by Big Med. And they are so practiced in promoting self-serving conspiracy theories about their business, you frequently find them promoting all kinds of other conspiracy theories. A huge fraction of the YouTube disinformation specialists are chiropractors.
It’s not just not medicine. It’s not just nonsense. It’s an anti-fact political movement.
Thank you very much, so do I! Far as chiro, I would say yes but all my symptoms starting showing at once, including the pulsatile tinnitus. Lots of neck pain/stiffness on that tinnitus side, lower back pain on that side, sciatica on that leg, etc. I have xrays of my spine as well & its crazy misaligned all the way down. He said once that atlas & first couple vertebrae gets misaligned, the rest tries to compensate & gets out of whack too.
It might not be related, but man it sure feels like it is. He does atlas orthogonal adjustments as well w a precise percussion machine, which isn't common, so hopefully that does something to take that pressure off that side. The atlas is the 3rd pic.
The short-term endorphin release definitely happens alongside the crack noise, so the body can feel nice for a while because of this endorphin “high”. However, “adjustments” are non-permanent. The endorphins stay in the system temporarily and even with any increase in blood flows, these maneuvers cannot rewrite muscle, bone or ligament damage/“misalignments”. The only way to realign bone is through breaking them or gradually realigning them with things like braces. Muscle is via long-term movement and muscle habituation/training, and ligaments through things like regular stretching. Just like how you can’t learn to do the splits in a day, or as frequently as once a week, you can’t get cracked and expect results.
Placebo is amazing and can legitimately heal! But in my opinion the risk of damage isn’t worth any potential healing from placebo or temporary relief. A massage does more and works for longer. It’s also the case that with many chiropractors, they make plans that keep you around for ages, or for life, whereas for other medical professions, the idea is to have you heal and hopefully to never see you again as soon as reasonably possible, but that’s not a lucrative business plan. Another Reddit anecdote: my father went to a chiropractor for years and of course loved the visits, but would feel okay for maybe two to three days and then he’d be going again for his weekly appointment. He went for like one and a half decades. Despite loving the cracks, he had finally started to wonder what’s up with the length of this healing “plan” and switched to a physiotherapist and they just had him learn to sit correctly, to develop the muscles to do that, to lose the weight around his stomach that caused spinal pressure, gave him home exercises, helped him find new shoes and got him a better chair and desk. He hasn’t been back. He says he likes the cracks but feels silly to have stayed in pain so long when he didn’t have to.
There is also a potential issue of underreporting in chiropractic adverse events. We see so many here on Reddit whenever the topic comes up it’s actually shocking. The actual rates might be higher than reported, and I wish I could find the link, but it was from years ago, but it was something along the lines of with every X years working in chiropractic work, you’ll have sent Y amount of patients to the ER, essentially discretely for cervical work causing things like aortic damage.
I think I’ll stick to physios! I have cervical scoliosis, but my tinnitus seems to have been caused by physical damage after ear infection, but that’s my 2c.
Hey man I’m not trying to be mean in any way. It’s just this works for me. And like I said I try to go once a month if possible. But my body does feel better and i feel taller after going, and she mostly just stretches out my back and just make sure my hips and stance are aligned mostly. That’s really all she does.
Don’t get me wrong massage sounds wonderful, but that’s not gonna help with the posture of my body when I can’t stand up straight because my body is protruding out a way it shouldn’t massages isn’t gonna help that unfortunately . I’m glad you found something that works for you. I think there’s a lot of other alternatives. They’re really are.
My only issue is that I’m just tired of people bashing on chiropractors that do their work. Do you know what they’re doing? I don’t overcharge. You have good insurance for the company and only see you maybe once a month every three months that other than they go to college and they do actually have a medical license , so it’s not like a lot of people who are a fraud and things like that.
Chiropractors are scam artists. The guy who founded it said that he got the info from angels and that it can cure anything. Save yourself the money and time and never go back.
My tinnitus is caused by upper cervical misalignment, shut tom of other symptoms too. Every one calls chiropractic pseudoscience and hacks and that’s what I thought too. Decided to go to the one an orthopedic specialist recommended. Dude saved my life, that was 3 weeks ago, had 8 adjustments on my upper neck and I can finally start living my life again. Most probably are hacks and have no idea what they’re doing, but if you find a long time experienced one who actually cares then it’s completely different. Me healing like this is not pseudoscience.
It’s caused by nerve interference from the spine misalignment, it hasn’t gone away yet but we’re making progress. I’ve done 8 sessions over three weeks, tremendous reduction in all symptoms after only three weeks. The healing process will take ~six months because my posture was so bad for years on end. So I’m assuming that in 6 months it will be gone when everything is healed and in the correct places. I’ll for sure post on here at the 6 month mark
My thoughts exactly. A lot of people like to call it a pseudoscience but have never been to an actual chiropractor outside of what Reddit has said. Sure some people are bogus, but others are pretty legit and actually provide genuine care. Both myself and my dad have visited this one chiropractor and they absolutely changed our lives.
I’ve visited hack places, shit experience, no relief. I absolutely did not want to go back or even try to see another one. Research is needed to find a good one
Yeah, its weird people are shitting all over this. Obviously some tinnitus can & is caused by cervical/atlas misalignments putting pressure on those nerves to one side, vessels, etc. Yes, a good chiro is hard to find, but they're there. And yes a good doctor is ALSO hard to find, plenty of them suck ass too & just want your money by throwing tests at you that have little understanding what they're actually doing. Its a sad fact & a racket now. We all know.
How many here have spent years & thousands of dollars jumping around the doctor game with little to no results?? I bet more than a few.
Yeah it happens to everybody, all the damn time. Get a new doctor, hope they can help, you figure out they’re just like the last one, on to the next. Takes a while but once you actually find a good doctor who doesn’t just shove meds in your face it’s a good experience. Same thing with the chiropractor, research, more research and most importantly just be your own doctor. Helped me out a lot more than the first couple doctors I saw
Yeah I’ve got something similar. Physiotherapy and strengthening the area with niche exercises and stretches helped reduce it although it’s still an issue a bit. I am very tall.
As someone with a ton of spine issues, you should probably get an idea of what’s happening with your spine. I highly recommend finding a well rated orthopedic spine specialist to give you a look over and imaging!
I mean I have a lot of hearing issues, for me the pulsatile tinnitus is minor compared to the hyperacusis, reactive tinnitus, and severe multiple tone tinnitus.
It was found when a neuro-otologist did a temporal CT scan.
The only symptom associated with the fistula was the pulsatile tinnitus. My other hearing issues were caused by hearing damage.
I see, thank you. I'm not above ruling out anything. Mine does pulsate but it seems reactive as well. Meaning a loud noise or hiss will make it "turn on" more.
There's only one clear X-ray above and you need a minimum of 2 angles to actually see what's happening in 3D. For X-rays there's the saying: "1 view is no view". After searching for possible causes of pulsating tinnitus, vertebral alignment is not one of them. I think your chiropractor made up a diagnosis based on an X-ray that doesn't really show anything in order to get you to keep seeing them.
Omg will everyone shut up about chiropractors being the spawn of satan!!! I’m sorry you all had terrible experiences with them. And yes, that that can be a risk of things to happen when you see one. But if that is the case that means the person who did your procedure is really shitty not all chiropractors are like that. Mine is amazing. I only go maybe once a month if that and it really helps my body feel amazing and I feel much better. And I’m sorry that person died from chiropractor appointment. Y’all need to stop hating on chiropractors all right! In fact, complaining about chiropractors and every other freaking sentence is not what is actually talking about so please stop
chiros are big not to any spine problems, there is missing a lot of imagery , missing mri of spin plus brain, dynamic xrays, and ct both spine and head, , xrays are insufficient, i have pulsatile tinnitus an d its bettr after i had acdf which was performed by neurosurgeons, Chiros are not eligible to do any manipulation with you
Be very careful. My chiropractor adjusted my neck twice Abe my T immediately tripled in my right ear. And never came down. Also, my atlas and axis are seriously calcified. The xrays look like a coral reef. Not smooth. This might be my issue, though my T is not pulsative.
Come to think of it... 3 weeks before the T hit me super hard overnight, 3 1/2 years ago, i had a whiplash from a Skip and fall on a hike down a gravelly hill. I probably went to my chiropractor after that. I've never connected the two. It could well be that i went and I didn't notice the low level T I've had for years had gone up until later. Could well be that the damned chiropractor is the one that caused my 3 1/2 year and counting nightmare.
Shoot me a DM if you’d like me to send you some links that will hopefully help explain what’s happening. I developed loud somatic tinnitus after adult orthodontics and it caused a similar misalignment. I don’t care for debating people on treatment efficacy, but after 14 years of trial and error, I know what works and what doesn’t.
There must be some heavy Anti chiropractor bots on this feed. I've had amazing results from chiropractors. Also seen doctors fused vertebrae together so they could never walk again for issues less than what I've gotten corrected from a chiropractor. Chiropractors are less invasive and less destructive Just my life experience. Not some biased review because I went to a University that promotes drugs and doctors.
I wouldn't listen to these ppl telling you chiropractic is bogus. Misery loves company. If your tinnitus is neck related (which it very much sounds like it is), I don't see how you'll ever improve your tinnitus without getting your head on straight.
There are good chiros and bad chiros. U just need to make sure you see a good one. I highly recommend seeing a Blair Upper Cervical chiro. It saved my life. I used to have the worst kind of reactive tinnitus and hyperacusis.
Yep. I’ve seen good and bad chiropractors. The one I see now is very pragmatic and never pushes any sort of pseudoscience. People here seem really put off by chiropractors and talk about medical degrees. Ask most medical doctors about cholesterol, for example, and they haven’t a clue on new scientific studies. They only know what they were taught in medical school. Likewise, you don’t need a degree or formal education to be a scientist or an expert. All it takes is passion and a love for the subject and a good understanding of the scientific method.
For real, I saw 4 different ENT's and they were all worthless. The shit they told me... now THAT was bogus. One told me my hyperacusis, reactive tinnitus, and TTTS were all mental, made up in my head. All they did was refer me to a psychiatrist who just wanted to prescribe me antidepressants. Now that was a waste of time and money.
And yes I've seen a bad chiro before too. Complete night and day experience from the guy I see new. My hyperacusis, reactive tinnitus, and TTTS are now gone thanks to him and my dentist.
Can’t say my chiropractor has ever attempted to treat my tinnitus, but I will say I had chronic lower back issues since my youth. I’ve had times where I’ve been barely able to get out of bed and get around. Missed days of work at a time. I went through 3 different chiropractors before landing on the guy who I see now, and it’s been a game changer. Knock on wood, i haven’t had any back issues for over a decade. // But yes, there can be some seriously weird pseudo-science bs out there in the chiropractic world. Be careful who you see.
Thanks. I'm hoping this does the trick. How many atlas adjustments did it take for yours to set? I've had about 5 so far & doc said its almost there. My neck pain on that side is for sure getting better tho. Before I could actually feel the protrusion on that side as well. I've lived w it for years not knowing what was going on.
I felt it after the first one. Does your chiro have the Atlas Orthogonal Percussion Instrument? If he/she doesn’t, I would highly recommend finding one that does.
Yes he does. The table w the percussion needle looking thing on it. I def felt it after the first one, esp the neck muscle tension was pretty much gone. He said the atlas sometimes takes a few rounds before its seated properly, just wondering how many.
Oh, good. Well, I would go more often, but the only guy that does it “near” me is about 50 minutes away. Would massages also help you? That way your muscles won’t put you back in your starting position, so to speak?
I've thought about that & might seek it out. Wife gets in there but her hands hurt sometimes w the angles, so may need a pro.
Yeah, there ain't a lot of guys doing atlas stuff properly. There's literally a handful here in the entire state. Thank god mine is board certified & studied under the guy who invented it, and is 20 mins away.
You’re better of buying the teeter hanger and letting your spine decompress and correcting your everyday posture. Having someone push into your spinal cord is such a risk. Approach with caution. Chiropractors will always find some form of misalignment.
I have an inversion machine. What would you recommend? And never thought about posture much but that's a good point. I'm tall & lanky, so it can't be good.
I believe it’s 2.5 minutes starting at a slight angle then progressing to full inversion. I can’t because my ear issue is fluid and BPPV. Fixing posture in seating positions, standing often, sleep styles, laying on a flat surface for 20 minutes, the spine should work itself back into place
I know this has been beaten to death, but a chiro shouldn't be treating you for this I am and xray/ct tech and those second 2 images are terrible and non diagnostic. Based on the first image (c-spine lateral) he actually might be onto something because i don't think i've a C1 vertebrae protrude so anteriorly but i don't know for sure. I suggest going to your PCP and getting some xrays done by an actual tech and read by an actual radiologist and see what they think
And don’t forget to ask for a copy of your xrays, so they can be evaluated by a real, practicing radiologist (MD). You might get the “ you don’t trust me?” song and dance.
Yea, just in case you don’t know, chiropractors are not medical professionals of any kind. One shattered my grandfather’s vertebra and he had a hard time doing much for the last twenty years of his life.
True. And here is some compiled information about it; Chiropractors Myles Power https://youtu.be/1NYG40oa7Eg Answer: Chiropractic as a whole is pseudoscience. There are a bunch of factors relating to this so ill break down some common stuff about it. From the very beginning of the profession it was nonsense. The founder of chiropractic claiming that " adjusting the spine is the cure for all diseases for the human race". When he performed the world's first chiropractic adjustment he claimed that he cured a mans deafness. **If it is Pseudoscience why is it covered / popular in my area?** Despite this it is commonly used and covered by insurance in the United States, Canada and Australia among other places. While there are many anecdotal stories of adjustments helping people, the evidence doesn't back that up. There is lukewarm evidence that it can help with lower back pain, with most credible research putting it on par with getting a massage (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27487116/). Adjustments can feel good at the time, releasing endorphins and making patients feel better in the moment, they do not actually treat underlying issues because they are not medical doctors. They do not go to medical school and often get their degrees from *questionable universities.* There is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to criticism of chiropractic [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_criticism) and a pretty well sourced article [here](https://mylespower.co.uk/2019/08/06/chiropractic-quackery-hiding-in-plain-sight/) for further reading on this aspect of things. The real medical professionals who deal with back issues and the like are physiotherapists but they are expensive. Since [Lobbying](https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2019/08/19/545-million-per-year-wasnt-enough-for-chiropractors-now-theyre-lobbying-for-much-more/?sh=416383871f7a) has resulted in insurance and medical coverage for chiropractic (and other pseudoscience) people see it as a cheaper and faster way to get treatment. **Chiropractors are not Doctors?** Most chiropractors have Doctorates but are not Medical Doctors. A good Majority of schools that teach Chiropractic are diploma mills that usually also offer degrees in other various forms of pseudoscience including courses advocating homeopathy. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy) There are two main schools of thought in chiropractic and you can find educations in both fairly easily in the US. The first school "mixers" : "are more open to mainstream views and conventional medical techniques, such as exercise, massage, and ice therapy." The second school "straights": "emphasize vitalism, "Innate Intelligence", and consider vertebral subluxations to be the cause of all diseases" In 2008 the majority of chiropractors were identified as "straights". While that number has declined in recent years that has declined. In 2019 a study showed that around 33% of chiropractors websites mentioned vertebral subluxations, with 8% marketing chiropractor adjustments to children [(source)] (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337234446_The_subluxation_issue_an_analysis_of_chiropractic_clinic_website) Even if all mixers use strict scientifically backed treatments and confine their work to the lower back, there is no way to know what type of treatment you will receive since there is no way to know the exact beliefs of any given chiropractor. One final anti science fact about chiropractors is that in 2016 [Andrew Wakefield](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield) (the disgraced former doctor who incorrectly linked vaccines to autism) was the keynote speaker at the "Annual Conference on Chiropractic and Pediatrics" in the United states. Internet searches for "chiropractors" and "vaccination" will show some disappointing information since about 19% of chiropractors [in 2016] were openly anti vaxx. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/17/some-chiropractors-turn-their-backs-on-vaccines/23582549/)) **The dangers** There is also danger in procedures themselves, especially when dealing with the neck. A somewhat common tool is the Y-strap, which is fastened to a patients head and then forcefully tugged to decompress the vertebra. This has been known to cause short term injuries in the muscles and backs of some patients. People have been left paralyzed after neck adjustments at a chiropractor. Dr. Chris Raynor also has several videos that go into the: [dangers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTG0SnUPY8) and [injuries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9o4Nu3XrrY) sustained
Also if you want a "Doctor" who does massages and "cracking" then you should look for a D.O. ("A doctor of osteopathic medicine, also known as a D.O., is a fully trained and licensed doctor. A doctor of osteopathic medicine graduates from a U.S. osteopathic medical school. A doctor of medicine, also known as an M.D., graduates from a traditional medical school. A major difference between D.O.s and M.D.s is that some doctors of osteopathic medicine use manual medicine as part of treatment. Manual medicine can include hands-on work on joints and tissues and massage. After medical school, both kinds of doctors must complete training as residents in the specialty they choose. They also must pass the same licensing exam before they can treat people and prescribe medicines."
I went to a chiropractor in my late teens, thinking they were just spine/back doctors. The cracking/pysical therapy seemed benign enough, but one day he went totally off the rails. He got out all these little vials, including one he said had arsenic in it. He claimed that when he held it to my chest, my legs became stronger. I was done after that.
Crazy AF!
Arsenicum??? Thats homeopathy dude, its diluted to the 1000s. And guess what, it works 😆
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Everytime I have a mild car accident, my attorney works with a chiropractor and tells me to come three times a week for three months even though I'm fine so they can pad the insurance claims. No wonder our insurance rates in california are so high and most are leaving the state but I don't know what the solution is.
Good Lord! Stop letting your TV be your source of information. According to the Insurance Research Council, Florida and Washington, D.C. have the highest rates of insurance fraud cases per capita. And no, everyone is not leaving California but hey if you want to join the ones that are leaving, good luck with that.
As someone with both a Chiropractic degree and an MD degree …. I’ll just going to say Chiropractic malpractice insurance is literally a fraction of MD malpractice insurance cost. There are screw ups in every profession … especially the MD who ordered the IV of Gentamicin on me after I told him I had mild tinnitus … causing me to go catastrophic and I’ve now been out of work for 6+ years.
Could a reason be that there are 10x as many? 92,000 doctors in Canada (552,310 in America) and only 9,000 (48,500 America) Chiropractors? I could go on but that is not a sound metric. The human body is vastly complex and we are still sciencing medication interactions and still smoothing out consistent decent medical schooling. And don't even get me started on the law and sueing in the medical arena of America... wow. I have also had bad reactions to medications, it took years to hone my R.A medications (5 different ones, from pills to biologicals) those doctors weren't maliciously using pseudoscience... we didn't know... with chiropractors, as a profession, we do know.
I’d take a great Chiropractor any day over a Hack MD who’s literally looking at the same web MD you could … But to each their own lol.
From country to country this may be entirely true... I definitely am Canada/America/Eurocentric so that is where I am coming from... the stuff I hear about some countries just blows my mind people live so long.
>One shattered my grandfather’s vertebra and he had a hard time doing much for the last twenty years of his life. That's aweful. Did he sue?
It was when I was quite young, so I am not certain. I should ask my grandmother. She didn’t make it sound like it last time I talked to her about it.
Thanks for the warning. The guy I go to doesn't do those kinds of "cracking" adjustments tho.
Dude chiropractors are not certified in anything real like a physical therapist is
You guys sound so delusional. Think about how much your head weighs. If it's tilted to one side, think how much tension that puts on your neck muscles. And those muscles connect to the muscles in your ears. It's just common sense if you actually gave it some thought.
Correct, but forcibly moving said head* will not fix anything
Over time it will if it stays in place, which it eventyally will. Physical therapy is good too to help train you to maintain good posture to keep your adjustments in place. But physical therapy most likely won't move your c1 on its own. And not sure why a physical therapist's certifications would be more legitimate than an uppercervical chiro's. That's the dumbest shit I heard all day.
No one is saying neck issues can't cause tinnitus. They are just saying that if your neck is causing your tinnitus, then go to someone who is actually qualified to treat you, not some quack FFS.
Like who? That's what uppercervical chiro's are for. That's what they do. The only thing the doctor will try to do is surgery. SURGERY SHOULD BE YOUR ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT. You do not need surgery for this. Myself and many others are proof of that. My hyperacusis and reactive tinnitus are gone thanks to my chiro. Next you are gonna tell me Dentists are also quacks cuz they aren't real doctors.
Dentists do 4 years of undergrad, and 4 years of Dentistry college. Chiro was founded by a guy trained by a ghost. There are actual medical professionals that can help (and don't rely on surgery)
My chiro has an undergrad and 4 year degree at a chiropractic college. Not sure what point you are trying to make. They are a medical professional. And they fixed my body and made my tinnitus, TTTS, and hyperacusis go away.
True. Tilt your head to the other side. Problem solved. You don't need someone to use a LOT of force for that, which can cause permanent damage to your spine.
That's going to feel very unnatural, and the rest of your body would still be off balance. It isn't actually much force. The adjustment is precise. Not forceful. You are way more likely to fuck up your spine driving a car or working an office job. Look up the blair method. It's not at all what you are making it out to be.
Go to a physio. Don’t fuck around with pseudoscience.
Chiropractors are the tarot readers of the physical therapy field. It's quackery and doesn't actually help. There's plenty of news articles online of people getting paralyzed for life from a chiropractor. See a physical therapist. That's **NOT** causing your pulsatile tinnitus.
I’ve successfully used a chiropractor for a lower back injury where I pulled a muscle. I would not recommend one for anything involving the neck. You want an actual physician for that. There’s too much at stake.
Plz don't let these bullies scare you. A good upper cervical doesn't do these cracking adjustments, you are right. The adjustments are extremely subtle. But work wonders. AND THEY WON'T ADJUST YOU UNLESS YOU NEED IT. I see my Upper Cervical chiro once a month. And right now my c1/c2 only get adjusted like every 8 months or so. Because I've been holding the adjustment and they won't touch it if it's already level.
Dude, it's pseudoscience. Nobody here is a bully. We're trying to advise OP to see **an actual medical doctor who specializes in this** and not someone reading tea leaves and aligning your chakras. Your "good experience" is purely the result of the placebo effect.
It is a science. They train in proven methods to treat c1 and c2 misalignment. They aren't making anything up. You'd rather OP go through an absolutely unnecessary surgery that is just as likely to fuck them up even further?
You do realize how much training a chiropractor goes through to get their license right? A proper chiropractor will have a medical license and as someone who has multiple issues do to misaligned spinal cord as well as a neck visibly bending the opposite direction as normal due to pre-existing conditions as well as whiplash I have had an extremely noticeable difference in both my pain levels and where my spine and neck used to be.
A homeopath can go through 40 years of training and still be a fraud. Chiropractors have no process for scientific review, and any of their purported teachings fail any scientific scrutiny. Do you think an Alchemist is something other than a fraud if he spends 40 years studying Alchemy? The overwhelming majority of chiropractors are not medical doctors LOL. The placebo effect is a powerful thing, especially if you refuse to believe you've been had
I'm truly sorry you are suffering. But just cuz you are suffering doesn't mean you should try to keep OP from seeing someone who can actually help them. My experience is a "placebo"? You for real dude? You don't know me. You don't know how much I suffered. How I nearly committed suicide cuz of how bad my hyperacusis and tinnitus were. For months I could barely leave the house cuz everything was too loud. Took me over a year to realize it was neck related. And I got immediate relief after my 1st C1 adjustment. My reactive tinnitus and hyperacusis have now been gone for 3 years. But sure.... it was just a placebo. Let's downvote and hate on the dude who can ACTUALLY help you.
> But just cuz you are suffering doesn't mean you should try to keep OP from seeing someone who can actually help them. You're right! I shouldn't try to keep OP from a **licensed medical doctor that specializes in this type of thing**. Keep in mind, Pulsatile tinnitus **has a physical cause**. This physical cause is not OP's chakras being misaligned like the crackpot chiropractor will tell you. What that physical cause may end up being are almost entirely circulatory. >You don't know me I know you're under the age of 20 and your struggle is the worst anyone has ever encountered in the world. >How I nearly committed suicide cuz of how bad my hyperacusis and tinnitus were. And yet here you are, selling snake oil to people who are suffering because you bought it yourself. >Let's downvote and hate on the dude who can ACTUALLY help you. Are you trying to reverse psychology your way into getting upvotes? No, we downvote you for shit advice.
Wow... you're a real piece of shit, huh? I still hope you find silence, cuz I wish this shit on no one But you have a lot of growing up to do before you'll probably get there. Good luck with that. Yes here I am, tinnitus free. Are you? Gee... I wonder which of us has better advice. The one who beat their tinnitus, or the one with tinnitus hating on those who got silence. I'm just here cuz it popped up on my feed. And I went through this same thing, and I actually have experience that can be beneficial. I dont give a fuck about upvotes or downvotes. I'm just here to help. Why are you here?
> Why are you here? Apparently to stop people from following advice that [has been shown to paralyze people.](https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/georgia-woman-paralyzed-after-routine-chiropractor-visit/) > cuz I wish this shit on no one If this is the worst thing you've ever encountered, you have lived a pampered life. >Yes here I am, tinnitus free. Are you? Gee... I wonder which of us has better advice. Probably the person who *actually has a problem*, gone through the motions, dealt with it, and wasn't "cured" by the placebo effect. Once you habituate, it really isn't a big deal. >And I went through this same thing Cute that you assume all tinnitus is the same. Pulastile is a special flavor that has cardiac involvement. Your chiropractor who got his degree from a diploma mill and studied anthropology in undergrad probably isn't able to use such big words as "cardiac".
How could i have gotten rid of my tinnitus without "going through the motions?" I had it for 3 years. You aren't making any sense. Clearly you are the one assuming all tinnitus is the same. Not all tinnitus can be habituated. Its level of magnitude varies greatly. But anyways, enjoy your tinnitus, bro ✌️ since you seem to be married to it. With this attitude, you'll have it for a very long time.
Of course that might obstruct and cause pulsatile tinnitus although I would visit a physical therapist instead of chiropractor to treat that.
You should consider at least trying out physical therapy for a few weeks. Chiropractors can be very dangerous even if it feels good.
Doing both physio and upper cervical treatment would be the ideal case.
Chiropractors are not doctors.
Chiropractic manipulation of the neck is disproportionately dangerous.
Hey man, as someone who was once tantalized by this exact thing, you should know both this diagnosis and treatment are complete and utter bogus.
Well I'm certainly open to changing game plans.
I like how you shared absolutely zero helpful information here. Why is it bogus?
I'm sorry. But I couldn't disagree more. Getting my atlas leveled by a good upper cervical chiro saved my life. Multi-tone tinnitus, reactive tinnitus, hyperacusis, ttts. I had it bad.
A broken clock is right twice a day. You just happened to be the right patient. The chiropractor will diagnose the next 100 people with the exact same bogus thing they diagnosed you with and scam them. Just because it worked for you doesn’t mean they aren’t quacks.
I've talked with many others who went through the same thing and got relief. I did my research before I saw them. What proof do you have they are a quack and that my life changing improvement is just a coincidence?
Look up the history of chiropractors. The creator of the chiropractic method was a “magnetic healer”, essentially a snake oil salesman. The entire practice is based on the concept of “[subluxations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_subluxation)”, which no evidence has ever been found to actually exists. Seeing a chiropractor may help some people, but it’s because of the placebo effect, not because the chiropractor is helping. If you actually research chiropractors from sources not funded by chiropractors themself you’ll come to the same conclusion. Edit: Another tell all for whether something is quack medicine or pseudoscience is when the practitioner claims they can cure any disease and never turns away a patient. If you go to a heart doctor for a skin disease, they’ll tell you that they can’t help and you should go see a dermatologist. This is the case for any legit medical practitioner. However if you go see a chiropractor, homeopath/naturopath, or acupuncturist (to name a few), they will always tell you they can cure you (so they can take your money). If this doesn’t raise some alarm bells idk what to tell you.
huh....? You're on some weird shit, dude. >creator of the chiropractic method There isn't just one method. Some are better than others. Which is why you need to do research on that method. Instead of doing pointless research on the the 'creator of the chiropractic method,' which isn't even a real thing. >If you actually research chiropractors from sources not funded by chiropractors themself you’ll come to the same conclusion. My TTTS, hyperacusis, and reactive tinnitus are gone. The only conclusion I can come to is that it worked. And it's the same conclusion that many others I spoke to who went through the same thing. >If this doesn’t raise some alarm bells idk what to tell you. You don't need to tell me anything. My tinnitus is gone. Is yours?
I’m not making a statement on tinnitus, I’m talking about pseudoscientists in general, which includes chiropractors. I’m happy your tinnitus is cured, that’s a huge life improvement, but I will not stand by as someone touts the success of chiropractors when it is a proven pseudoscience. And the founder of chiropacty is real [person](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_David_Palmer), this isn’t some ancient technique like they will lead you to believe. It was founded in the 1800’s. Any “method” you refer to is a branch from the original method founded by Palmer (iirc his son had a rivaling business hence the branching), but it’s all built off the same back of Palmers pseudoscience. I encourage you to google “history of chiropractors” and do your own research (but make sure it’s a source not funded by chiropractors…) because this is all widely known stuff. Edit: Just for context I’ve given plenty of money to both chiropractors and naturopaths to cure my own shit, only to find out the truth that they are pseudoscientists, which is partially why I am vocal about this.
That's a bit disingenuous tho. Do you know the kooky shit MDs were practicing in the 1800s? You could use the same arguments against them. Things do change & evolve for the better.
I've already done my research. That's how I found the blair method and a community of patients who have/used to have various forms of tinnitus and vertigo. Very very few of them didn't get some form of relief/improvement. It's not going to help everyone. Only if your tinnitus is neck or jaw related. And a good chiropractor won't adjust you unless you need it. There are bad chiros just like are bad Doctors. And yes, there are some very very bad doctors out there. Going to school and passing a test doesn't automatically make you good at your job. You need to do your own research. I, too, have seen a bad chiro before. But there are also very good chiros out there who can help. So you are very clearly just spreading smooth-brained misinformation. I'm willing to bet you also spent a lot of money seeing M.D.s to help your tinnitus (i did too). Did they help? Didn't think so.....
How long did you have it for? Recently visited one and after X-rays etc he said I need work done to align my upper neck. I’ve had issues with it for years
> Recently visited one and after X-rays etc he said I need work done to align my upper neck. Good way to end up paralyzed with zero recompense.
Sorry, do you mean how long did I have the ear issues for? Or how long did I get uppercervical treatment for? I had tinnitus for a little over 2 years starting in 2019. And it kept getting progressively worse over time. Got louder. More tones were added. Some were reactive. And got really bad hyperacusis. I started to realize my tinnitus could be manipulated by my neck and jaw. I did a bunch of research, and landed on Blair Uppercervical as being the best method from what I read. I was lucky there is one in my city. I've been seeing them for 3 years. Right now I only see them every 6 weeks. And they haven't needed to adjust my c1 or c2 since about 8 months ago. It's been holding. And my symptoms are gone. They have occasionally cret back very subtley (no where near as bad as before) if my c1 or c2 is off. But they dissipate again after an adjustment.
Thanks for the information - much appreciated
Never let a chiro mess with your neck. I recommend that you look up neck injuries precipitated by chiropractic manipulation
You must have seen a really shitty chiro.
You’re getting downvoted but it’s true. I’ve had work on my neck and it’s certainly relieved my spinal tension. Used to have back and neck problems and visiting this one good chiropractor really helped out Edit: crazy people are downvoting me because I said my chiropractor actually *helped* me. It’s like people would rather me just be in pain instead of believing that some chiropractors actually work
Yeah it"s a shame. My reactive tinnitus and hyperacusus have been gone for 3 years now thanks to uppercervical care. Some times it seems like a lot of ppl in these tinnitus groups don't actually want help. Just addicted to the suffering. But I somewhat understand. I've been there. It seemed like there was no cure. That's what I was trained to believe. And I also had my doubts about this stuff. But I did my own research. And it made made sense to me. So I went to a Blair Uppercervical Chiro in my area, and it saved my life. Pretty sure I would have committed suicide if I went much longer with my level of tinnitus and hyperacusis.
Yeah man I’m glad you’re doing better. It’s like people would rather you spend tens of thousands of dollars on what is “normal” medical care instead of paying just $40-$200 per visit and receive similar care.
Yep. And most of the time the doctor is only trained to advise surgery. Which should be your absolute last resort, in my opinion.
If you are going to a chiropractor, they are either doing physical therapy or they are doing something that is not a bona fide medical therapy. Instead of disproving the criticisms of their unscientific, non-evidence-based hoodoo, they promote paranoid conspiracy theories that they are being persecuted by Big Med. And they are so practiced in promoting self-serving conspiracy theories about their business, you frequently find them promoting all kinds of other conspiracy theories. A huge fraction of the YouTube disinformation specialists are chiropractors. It’s not just not medicine. It’s not just nonsense. It’s an anti-fact political movement.
I think this a bogus treatment plan but that’s because I believe chiropractic is BS. That being said, I hope you have success; please post an update.
Thank you very much, so do I! Far as chiro, I would say yes but all my symptoms starting showing at once, including the pulsatile tinnitus. Lots of neck pain/stiffness on that tinnitus side, lower back pain on that side, sciatica on that leg, etc. I have xrays of my spine as well & its crazy misaligned all the way down. He said once that atlas & first couple vertebrae gets misaligned, the rest tries to compensate & gets out of whack too. It might not be related, but man it sure feels like it is. He does atlas orthogonal adjustments as well w a precise percussion machine, which isn't common, so hopefully that does something to take that pressure off that side. The atlas is the 3rd pic.
I have all those symptoms on the same side as my one side tinnitus
Have you tried anything or seen someone?
I have had myofascial massage, physical therapy and acupuncture with herbs without success so far
Chiropractors cannot help with tinnitus.
Chiropractors aren’t real doctors, this guy is full of shit. Stop going
One of my team mates died two months ago after an adjustment caused a hemorrhage.
Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. What exactly happened?
Chiropractors are fake as hell
Chiropractors are snake oil salesmen. Quacks
Look they make my body feel so much better, sorry they don’t work for you
The short-term endorphin release definitely happens alongside the crack noise, so the body can feel nice for a while because of this endorphin “high”. However, “adjustments” are non-permanent. The endorphins stay in the system temporarily and even with any increase in blood flows, these maneuvers cannot rewrite muscle, bone or ligament damage/“misalignments”. The only way to realign bone is through breaking them or gradually realigning them with things like braces. Muscle is via long-term movement and muscle habituation/training, and ligaments through things like regular stretching. Just like how you can’t learn to do the splits in a day, or as frequently as once a week, you can’t get cracked and expect results. Placebo is amazing and can legitimately heal! But in my opinion the risk of damage isn’t worth any potential healing from placebo or temporary relief. A massage does more and works for longer. It’s also the case that with many chiropractors, they make plans that keep you around for ages, or for life, whereas for other medical professions, the idea is to have you heal and hopefully to never see you again as soon as reasonably possible, but that’s not a lucrative business plan. Another Reddit anecdote: my father went to a chiropractor for years and of course loved the visits, but would feel okay for maybe two to three days and then he’d be going again for his weekly appointment. He went for like one and a half decades. Despite loving the cracks, he had finally started to wonder what’s up with the length of this healing “plan” and switched to a physiotherapist and they just had him learn to sit correctly, to develop the muscles to do that, to lose the weight around his stomach that caused spinal pressure, gave him home exercises, helped him find new shoes and got him a better chair and desk. He hasn’t been back. He says he likes the cracks but feels silly to have stayed in pain so long when he didn’t have to. There is also a potential issue of underreporting in chiropractic adverse events. We see so many here on Reddit whenever the topic comes up it’s actually shocking. The actual rates might be higher than reported, and I wish I could find the link, but it was from years ago, but it was something along the lines of with every X years working in chiropractic work, you’ll have sent Y amount of patients to the ER, essentially discretely for cervical work causing things like aortic damage. I think I’ll stick to physios! I have cervical scoliosis, but my tinnitus seems to have been caused by physical damage after ear infection, but that’s my 2c.
Hey man I’m not trying to be mean in any way. It’s just this works for me. And like I said I try to go once a month if possible. But my body does feel better and i feel taller after going, and she mostly just stretches out my back and just make sure my hips and stance are aligned mostly. That’s really all she does. Don’t get me wrong massage sounds wonderful, but that’s not gonna help with the posture of my body when I can’t stand up straight because my body is protruding out a way it shouldn’t massages isn’t gonna help that unfortunately . I’m glad you found something that works for you. I think there’s a lot of other alternatives. They’re really are. My only issue is that I’m just tired of people bashing on chiropractors that do their work. Do you know what they’re doing? I don’t overcharge. You have good insurance for the company and only see you maybe once a month every three months that other than they go to college and they do actually have a medical license , so it’s not like a lot of people who are a fraud and things like that.
Chiropractors are scam artists. The guy who founded it said that he got the info from angels and that it can cure anything. Save yourself the money and time and never go back.
My tinnitus is caused by upper cervical misalignment, shut tom of other symptoms too. Every one calls chiropractic pseudoscience and hacks and that’s what I thought too. Decided to go to the one an orthopedic specialist recommended. Dude saved my life, that was 3 weeks ago, had 8 adjustments on my upper neck and I can finally start living my life again. Most probably are hacks and have no idea what they’re doing, but if you find a long time experienced one who actually cares then it’s completely different. Me healing like this is not pseudoscience.
He made the tinnitus go away?
It’s caused by nerve interference from the spine misalignment, it hasn’t gone away yet but we’re making progress. I’ve done 8 sessions over three weeks, tremendous reduction in all symptoms after only three weeks. The healing process will take ~six months because my posture was so bad for years on end. So I’m assuming that in 6 months it will be gone when everything is healed and in the correct places. I’ll for sure post on here at the 6 month mark
My thoughts exactly. A lot of people like to call it a pseudoscience but have never been to an actual chiropractor outside of what Reddit has said. Sure some people are bogus, but others are pretty legit and actually provide genuine care. Both myself and my dad have visited this one chiropractor and they absolutely changed our lives.
I’ve visited hack places, shit experience, no relief. I absolutely did not want to go back or even try to see another one. Research is needed to find a good one
Yeah, its weird people are shitting all over this. Obviously some tinnitus can & is caused by cervical/atlas misalignments putting pressure on those nerves to one side, vessels, etc. Yes, a good chiro is hard to find, but they're there. And yes a good doctor is ALSO hard to find, plenty of them suck ass too & just want your money by throwing tests at you that have little understanding what they're actually doing. Its a sad fact & a racket now. We all know. How many here have spent years & thousands of dollars jumping around the doctor game with little to no results?? I bet more than a few.
Yeah it happens to everybody, all the damn time. Get a new doctor, hope they can help, you figure out they’re just like the last one, on to the next. Takes a while but once you actually find a good doctor who doesn’t just shove meds in your face it’s a good experience. Same thing with the chiropractor, research, more research and most importantly just be your own doctor. Helped me out a lot more than the first couple doctors I saw
Yeah I’ve got something similar. Physiotherapy and strengthening the area with niche exercises and stretches helped reduce it although it’s still an issue a bit. I am very tall.
Snake oil salesmen. Go to physical therapists instead.
Probably but I will NEVER go to a chiropractor. Not real doctors. Cracking necks can cause strokes.
Had my first and last back spasm after visiting a chiropractor. To each his own.
As others have said, yeah, don't do that. non-medical professional screwing about around near your brain stem? huge yikes
Yes that's very common. If you get treatment from a good upper cervical specialist I think there's a high probability you'll see improvement.
I think I need a spine x ray. I’m unable to lay down without pain
As someone with a ton of spine issues, you should probably get an idea of what’s happening with your spine. I highly recommend finding a well rated orthopedic spine specialist to give you a look over and imaging!
Yes I probably should. My last orthopedist retired though and unfortunately there are very long wait lists for other doctors
In my case it's caused by a fistula. You need a CT or a CT-angiogram to properly diagnose if it's that bothersome.
It could be that. What other symptoms were you having?
I mean I have a lot of hearing issues, for me the pulsatile tinnitus is minor compared to the hyperacusis, reactive tinnitus, and severe multiple tone tinnitus. It was found when a neuro-otologist did a temporal CT scan. The only symptom associated with the fistula was the pulsatile tinnitus. My other hearing issues were caused by hearing damage.
I see, thank you. I'm not above ruling out anything. Mine does pulsate but it seems reactive as well. Meaning a loud noise or hiss will make it "turn on" more.
There's only one clear X-ray above and you need a minimum of 2 angles to actually see what's happening in 3D. For X-rays there's the saying: "1 view is no view". After searching for possible causes of pulsating tinnitus, vertebral alignment is not one of them. I think your chiropractor made up a diagnosis based on an X-ray that doesn't really show anything in order to get you to keep seeing them.
Looks all over the place! Have you been in a car crash?
Lol, NO! Prob years of shitty posture.
Pulsate tinnitus could mean a stroke
Been going on for a while now.
Omg will everyone shut up about chiropractors being the spawn of satan!!! I’m sorry you all had terrible experiences with them. And yes, that that can be a risk of things to happen when you see one. But if that is the case that means the person who did your procedure is really shitty not all chiropractors are like that. Mine is amazing. I only go maybe once a month if that and it really helps my body feel amazing and I feel much better. And I’m sorry that person died from chiropractor appointment. Y’all need to stop hating on chiropractors all right! In fact, complaining about chiropractors and every other freaking sentence is not what is actually talking about so please stop
chiros are big not to any spine problems, there is missing a lot of imagery , missing mri of spin plus brain, dynamic xrays, and ct both spine and head, , xrays are insufficient, i have pulsatile tinnitus an d its bettr after i had acdf which was performed by neurosurgeons, Chiros are not eligible to do any manipulation with you
Be very careful. My chiropractor adjusted my neck twice Abe my T immediately tripled in my right ear. And never came down. Also, my atlas and axis are seriously calcified. The xrays look like a coral reef. Not smooth. This might be my issue, though my T is not pulsative.
Come to think of it... 3 weeks before the T hit me super hard overnight, 3 1/2 years ago, i had a whiplash from a Skip and fall on a hike down a gravelly hill. I probably went to my chiropractor after that. I've never connected the two. It could well be that i went and I didn't notice the low level T I've had for years had gone up until later. Could well be that the damned chiropractor is the one that caused my 3 1/2 year and counting nightmare.
Chiro don’t treat anything. Maybe a small relief like taking drugs or alcohol. But your issue will come back if it’s serious.
Shoot me a DM if you’d like me to send you some links that will hopefully help explain what’s happening. I developed loud somatic tinnitus after adult orthodontics and it caused a similar misalignment. I don’t care for debating people on treatment efficacy, but after 14 years of trial and error, I know what works and what doesn’t.
There must be some heavy Anti chiropractor bots on this feed. I've had amazing results from chiropractors. Also seen doctors fused vertebrae together so they could never walk again for issues less than what I've gotten corrected from a chiropractor. Chiropractors are less invasive and less destructive Just my life experience. Not some biased review because I went to a University that promotes drugs and doctors.
I wouldn't listen to these ppl telling you chiropractic is bogus. Misery loves company. If your tinnitus is neck related (which it very much sounds like it is), I don't see how you'll ever improve your tinnitus without getting your head on straight. There are good chiros and bad chiros. U just need to make sure you see a good one. I highly recommend seeing a Blair Upper Cervical chiro. It saved my life. I used to have the worst kind of reactive tinnitus and hyperacusis.
Yep. I’ve seen good and bad chiropractors. The one I see now is very pragmatic and never pushes any sort of pseudoscience. People here seem really put off by chiropractors and talk about medical degrees. Ask most medical doctors about cholesterol, for example, and they haven’t a clue on new scientific studies. They only know what they were taught in medical school. Likewise, you don’t need a degree or formal education to be a scientist or an expert. All it takes is passion and a love for the subject and a good understanding of the scientific method.
For real, I saw 4 different ENT's and they were all worthless. The shit they told me... now THAT was bogus. One told me my hyperacusis, reactive tinnitus, and TTTS were all mental, made up in my head. All they did was refer me to a psychiatrist who just wanted to prescribe me antidepressants. Now that was a waste of time and money. And yes I've seen a bad chiro before too. Complete night and day experience from the guy I see new. My hyperacusis, reactive tinnitus, and TTTS are now gone thanks to him and my dentist.
Can’t say my chiropractor has ever attempted to treat my tinnitus, but I will say I had chronic lower back issues since my youth. I’ve had times where I’ve been barely able to get out of bed and get around. Missed days of work at a time. I went through 3 different chiropractors before landing on the guy who I see now, and it’s been a game changer. Knock on wood, i haven’t had any back issues for over a decade. // But yes, there can be some seriously weird pseudo-science bs out there in the chiropractic world. Be careful who you see.
A scam I think. They think everything is caused by a mis- aligned spine. Others may disagree.
Yeah could be
I’ve been to an atlas orthotic chiropractor and the treatment really helped my neck and back pain.
Thanks. I'm hoping this does the trick. How many atlas adjustments did it take for yours to set? I've had about 5 so far & doc said its almost there. My neck pain on that side is for sure getting better tho. Before I could actually feel the protrusion on that side as well. I've lived w it for years not knowing what was going on.
I felt it after the first one. Does your chiro have the Atlas Orthogonal Percussion Instrument? If he/she doesn’t, I would highly recommend finding one that does.
Yes he does. The table w the percussion needle looking thing on it. I def felt it after the first one, esp the neck muscle tension was pretty much gone. He said the atlas sometimes takes a few rounds before its seated properly, just wondering how many.
Oh, good. Well, I would go more often, but the only guy that does it “near” me is about 50 minutes away. Would massages also help you? That way your muscles won’t put you back in your starting position, so to speak?
I've thought about that & might seek it out. Wife gets in there but her hands hurt sometimes w the angles, so may need a pro. Yeah, there ain't a lot of guys doing atlas stuff properly. There's literally a handful here in the entire state. Thank god mine is board certified & studied under the guy who invented it, and is 20 mins away.
Finally some saying something positive about chiropractor
You’re better of buying the teeter hanger and letting your spine decompress and correcting your everyday posture. Having someone push into your spinal cord is such a risk. Approach with caution. Chiropractors will always find some form of misalignment.
I have an inversion machine. What would you recommend? And never thought about posture much but that's a good point. I'm tall & lanky, so it can't be good.
I believe it’s 2.5 minutes starting at a slight angle then progressing to full inversion. I can’t because my ear issue is fluid and BPPV. Fixing posture in seating positions, standing often, sleep styles, laying on a flat surface for 20 minutes, the spine should work itself back into place
Thank you. I'm gonna try to be mindful of it.
Check r/Occipitalneuralgia