It’s annoying that the anti-tippers won’t admit they’re cheap. If the restaurant paid a livable wage the price of food would rise accordingly. Most of you would wine about “$25 hamburgers.” You don’t understand the CoL.
I think what you’re missing is that it would only require the owner to share more profits with their employees.
Owners and CEO’s should not be entitled to so much profit if it was from the labor of others.
Plenty of developed countries where restaurants pay a livable wage and food prices aren’t exorbitant because of it, like every developed country outside of the USA.
I am not an anti tipper. I actually tip quite well in the U.S. and tip in Europe, but it was nice to not have it in my face every time I went to purchase something.
Because the restaurant industry in USA successfully lobbied for tip credit, so tips can reduce the amount they pay to servers. Customers are then told that servers depend on their tips.
This law only happens in USA. Everywhere else tips is purely extra money for employees.
because in the US we tolerate allowing the employers to put the risk of business on the employees. if a business owner can't figure out how to pay workers well and make money they should not be in business. close down.
Wages in general are too low, so the people who can get extra from tips are going wild pushing everyone to give them more money without considering how bad things are for everyone except the wealthy. A lot of servers, baristas, etc. haven’t had a lot of different jobs, so they don’t get it. Wages are completely insane compared to the cost of living relative to previous generations.
I really love European tip culture. I don't tip always (especially via card as it's quite hard to do there) but occasionally I'm happy with the service and feel it's deserved. Over there they are always extremely grateful to get any tip even one that would be considered bad here. Sometimes they're extremely surprised and grateful and even try to refuse or clarify if that's the intent. Here I could give a server 30% and I'd rarely get more than "thanks".
Italy also has no minimum wage. They’re very much accustomed to making way less. I remember being in Italy and tipping the girl behind the counter 1 euro for a coffee and pastry and she was smiling from ear to ear. They might not solicit but definitely appreciate it.
Man 1 euro is barely enough for a coffee nowadays in Italy, don't think you gave her a week's worth of food costs as a tip. She was probably smiling because it's a nice gesture, and as we say in Italy it's the gesture that counts. However your euro added to the euro of another customer and so on for 20 customers is 20 euros more on her daily salary, but that applies everywhere, even in the USA, if you are a server and you got 1 dollar from 100 customers a day, it would make you have 100 bucks a day in addition to your salary, it is the accumulation factor
My point was that they’re not getting a tip on the regular. I don’t think I solved all of her financial troubles. This was back in ‘18. I think a coffee might have been 1.50. So yeah, she was pleasantly surprised when I left the coin on the counter. But anyway, I hope everyone would leave her that. Or maybe she was smiling because I was handsome. But you are right… “e Il gesto che conta.”
Some people just enjoy being treated like a 5-year old. They are pumped to pay extra dollars to make sure the server keeps coming to their table and asking "How is everything?", "Would you like some dessert?", "You made an excellent choice!" It probably makes them feel like they are issued an invisible VIP badge or sit in an invisible first class.
That on the other hand is the kind of attitude that European customers would hate in a restaurant. Cause yes, the server making sure you are fine is nice, but people also want to have their time to talk and do their stuff. The same thing applies in shops too. In fact Foot Locker tries to adopt the same attitude it does in America even in European shops, and I swear they are unbearable. No, I don't want to buy that additional insole and the anti-humidity and anti-odour spray, otherwise I would have asked you
American that spends half my time in Europe.....
With a few exceptions (Scandinavia, Switzerland) food costs in Europe tend to be substantially less except maybe at American fast food chains..... But if you're on vacation in Rome and think McDonald's is the best option you deserve what you get.
When I went here the food was comparable in price and better. I think the reputation of Europe being really expensive comes from Americans who tour guides send them to places that cater to tourists.
It’s annoying that the anti-tippers won’t admit they’re cheap. If the restaurant paid a livable wage the price of food would rise accordingly. Most of you would wine about “$25 hamburgers.” You don’t understand the CoL.
I think what you’re missing is that it would only require the owner to share more profits with their employees. Owners and CEO’s should not be entitled to so much profit if it was from the labor of others.
You know nothing about the restaurant industry if you’re comparing what restaurant owners make with CEO’s. 🤣🤣🤣
I worked at restaurant whose owner profit shared. Quarterly bonuses for all employees from dishwashers to managers. It’s possible.
B/c it wouldn't increase the cost of the food as high as we are currently "required" to tip to pay your salary instead of your employer!
Plenty of developed countries where restaurants pay a livable wage and food prices aren’t exorbitant because of it, like every developed country outside of the USA.
I am not an anti tipper. I actually tip quite well in the U.S. and tip in Europe, but it was nice to not have it in my face every time I went to purchase something.
I wouldn't, I've lived outside the US before.
Because the restaurant industry in USA successfully lobbied for tip credit, so tips can reduce the amount they pay to servers. Customers are then told that servers depend on their tips. This law only happens in USA. Everywhere else tips is purely extra money for employees.
because in the US we tolerate allowing the employers to put the risk of business on the employees. if a business owner can't figure out how to pay workers well and make money they should not be in business. close down.
It's funny cuz American has a pull yourself up by the boot strap but somehow begging is ok as a server
Wages in general are too low, so the people who can get extra from tips are going wild pushing everyone to give them more money without considering how bad things are for everyone except the wealthy. A lot of servers, baristas, etc. haven’t had a lot of different jobs, so they don’t get it. Wages are completely insane compared to the cost of living relative to previous generations.
I really love European tip culture. I don't tip always (especially via card as it's quite hard to do there) but occasionally I'm happy with the service and feel it's deserved. Over there they are always extremely grateful to get any tip even one that would be considered bad here. Sometimes they're extremely surprised and grateful and even try to refuse or clarify if that's the intent. Here I could give a server 30% and I'd rarely get more than "thanks".
Italy also has no minimum wage. They’re very much accustomed to making way less. I remember being in Italy and tipping the girl behind the counter 1 euro for a coffee and pastry and she was smiling from ear to ear. They might not solicit but definitely appreciate it.
Man 1 euro is barely enough for a coffee nowadays in Italy, don't think you gave her a week's worth of food costs as a tip. She was probably smiling because it's a nice gesture, and as we say in Italy it's the gesture that counts. However your euro added to the euro of another customer and so on for 20 customers is 20 euros more on her daily salary, but that applies everywhere, even in the USA, if you are a server and you got 1 dollar from 100 customers a day, it would make you have 100 bucks a day in addition to your salary, it is the accumulation factor
My point was that they’re not getting a tip on the regular. I don’t think I solved all of her financial troubles. This was back in ‘18. I think a coffee might have been 1.50. So yeah, she was pleasantly surprised when I left the coin on the counter. But anyway, I hope everyone would leave her that. Or maybe she was smiling because I was handsome. But you are right… “e Il gesto che conta.”
Yes I did tip everyone I came across and noticed big smiles more too.
This is true, I once tipped 2 euro in Rome and the way they thanked me, it felt like I got a standing ovation lol
Some people just enjoy being treated like a 5-year old. They are pumped to pay extra dollars to make sure the server keeps coming to their table and asking "How is everything?", "Would you like some dessert?", "You made an excellent choice!" It probably makes them feel like they are issued an invisible VIP badge or sit in an invisible first class.
That on the other hand is the kind of attitude that European customers would hate in a restaurant. Cause yes, the server making sure you are fine is nice, but people also want to have their time to talk and do their stuff. The same thing applies in shops too. In fact Foot Locker tries to adopt the same attitude it does in America even in European shops, and I swear they are unbearable. No, I don't want to buy that additional insole and the anti-humidity and anti-odour spray, otherwise I would have asked you
What was the food costs?
Definitely not as much as the food in the U.S.
American that spends half my time in Europe..... With a few exceptions (Scandinavia, Switzerland) food costs in Europe tend to be substantially less except maybe at American fast food chains..... But if you're on vacation in Rome and think McDonald's is the best option you deserve what you get.
When I went here the food was comparable in price and better. I think the reputation of Europe being really expensive comes from Americans who tour guides send them to places that cater to tourists.
I think Europe and Japan used to be more expensive, but in the past several years USA prices have surpassed them.
Not nearly as much as you’re probably imagining