The terrifying thing isn't shit like this that's obvious and doesn't work. It's how much realistically does.
Effective propaganda is shit you agree with by definition.
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From the article:
> Coffee intake varies dramatically in lifestyle and demographic factors, especially age. Moreover, coffee which is rich in bioactive substances such as caffeine, phenolic compounds, and minerals with a wide range of antioxidant, and anti-inflammatory effects, has been showed to improve insulin resistance and glucose metabolism.
Eh, you can overdo anything but also caffeine hits everyone’s individual body chemistry differently.
I only have a cup a day, if I have another it’ll be decaf but I don’t get anxious or jittery off of coffee. Other energy drinks, definitely.
Yeah I don't get the jitters or digestive problems unless I hit coffee hard, like really hard. 1 large cup a day doesn't cause that for me. But I also make sure to eat a lot of fiber.
Fibre has nothing to do with diarrhea being a potential side effect of caffeine. Caffeine is a laxative. It stimulates muscle contractions in your colon and makes you poop. It was meant as a joke, but as with anything, of course people are going to have a wide array of reactions to it.
I imagine it’s more that people who don’t drink coffee are unhealthier at baseline than coffee drinkers.
Consider a 65 yo man who drinks coffee and a 65 yo man who doesn’t drink coffee. Both may be sedentary but the non-drinker is more likely to have a negative reason for not drinking coffee. They’re more likely to have cardiac issues, anxiety, drug interactions, etc as reasons for why they don’t drink. So imo it’s more likely that the two groups aren’t comparable rather than coffee actually having measurable life prolonging properties.
Not really a surprise, as coffee is high in antioxidants.
Don't know what an antioxidant is, but figure it's something good for you, like electrolytes, which I also don't have a clue about.
they neutralize reactive oxygen species, which are free radicals (things that mess with your cells) originally generated by the electron transport chain (the thing that makes ATP (the thing that lets your inner body do things)).
Someone who's more up to date on the literature should probably correct me, but free radicals arn't part of the fatigue associated with exercise. It's more of a by product. Whenever I was in college (circa ~2020), evidence suggested that a supplementation/high consumtion of anti-oxidants actually leads to a reduction in hypertrophy response. Free radicals seem to play a role in modulating hypertrophy and overall exercise adaption.
Depending on what fatigue you mean, it's either lactic acid build up in your muscles or you are referring to DOMS
I'm not a biologist, I just pick up heavy things and put them down sometimes.
Haha, you had me fooled, I figured you had a physiology degree. I’m the total opposite, I hate the hard effort. And I realize that DOMS is a voodoo witch doctor stuffing pins in the legs of a Jsteigs doll. Ain’t no curing that.
While we are at it, adenosine triphosphate, or ATP, breaks down to adenosine diphosphate (ADP) thru cellular respiration, a chemical process requiring oxygen, to produce energy. That's why you gotta breathe. If you've ever heard of creatine, the supplement, well creatine turns ADP back into ATP faster so you can work out more. Aaaannnddd that's all I remember from biology
Electrolytes are the easier of the two to explain. They're molecules that break apart into two ions in water. Salts and acids. They also make water electrically conductive.
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Oxygen radicals (O1, not the O2 your body needs) are very reactive, and consequently damage a lot of your body's molecules, including DNA. Antioxidants contain an ideal spot for oxygen to react with, that it can't easily break free from, so your kidneys can flush oxygen radicals from your body.
In other words, Oxygen is the drunk abusive guy at the bar, and antioxidants are the hot female security guard that lures Oxygen away and then kicks Oxygen out of the bar.
As someone who works in an office, then goes home to play video games, I must say that days that include exercise and a third cup of coffee tend to be better than normal.
I wonder why? /s
The coffee was the part that was changed? Everybody is sedentary for these statistics.
You’re not wrong, but you’re harping up the wrong tree to make a point that right now is irrelevant
The average US coffee drinker consumes 14.1 fl oz, which is in the range of150-250 mg of caffeine.
210 mg in a 14 oz Dunkin Donuts coffee.
140 mg in a 14 oz Folgers
260 mg in a 16 oz Starbucks dark roast
The average daily caffeine intake from beverages is 165 mg per person in the US. The 90th percentile cutoff is about 400 mg per day.
The FDA recommends less than 400 mg daily.
Maybe "typical" was a poor word choice, but my point was that 600mg spread out over a whole day isn't acutely dangerous like the person I was responding to was suggesting. The FDA and doctors in general don't recommend consuming that much caffeine because it can cause anxiety/irritability issues and very poor sleep. The person I responded to was implying that someone would wind up in the hospital over consuming it though. Even if you took all 600mg at once it's not likely to cause hospitalization in a healthy person, especially not someone who regularly takes 600mg of caffeine a day.
600mg at once would be pretty unpleasant, at least for someone who's not used to it, but people who drink a lot of coffee are spreading that out through the day. Some people are fast metabolizers of caffeine and they can cosume more than 600mg throughout the day and it'll barely affect them if they spread it out. It's probably more of a tolerance thing than a fast metabolism thing for me but I can do 400mg at a time with caffeine pills without side effects other than an unpleasant crash. Coffee drinkers are usually drinking coffee gradually throughout the day rather than 400mg all at once. There's no acute danger associated with caffeine at those doses for healthy people. The reason why they tell you to stick to 400 is that any more than that and you're going to end up interfering with your sleep. That's certainly not good for you but it's not gonna kill you either.
That’s about 5 cups or so. I actually consume about 200mg of caffeine a day and that’s right for me, but if you had two cups first thing in the morning, another two at the office before lunch, and then another around 2pm then it isn’t like insanely unreasonable.
Also many have accustomed to drink 12 ounce coffee from Starbucks and such. Which is really 1.5 cups. So if you drink 3 its 4.5 cups. So in a sense we live in an increasingly coffeineated world. Which undoubtedly affects us in a psychosocial way although it’s doesn’t inflict as much damage in a personal sense like tobacco. It’s a soft drug which naturally has a greater scope of impact like sugar. Also harder to kick. Here I write while me coffee stands in the table.
Well what were the non-coffee drinkers drinking?
If the non-coffee group was consuming more sugar (sodas) then ... Sure.
I don't think this study can say that coffee is healthy, or that it has anything to do with anti-oxidants or caffeine.
You would need a better control group to declare anything meaningful.
I drink a lot of coffee, but I strongly suspect that the fuck off amounts of sugar, chocolate, and cream I add to it thoroughly cancel out any benefits I might be getting from the espresso.
I'm gonna say "your mileage may vary", if this study isn't complete bunk funded by the coffee industry. Coffee severely worsens my anxiety attacks. I think that's doing the opposite of making me live longer.
I think it has more to do with baseline characteristics of coffee drinkers vs non coffee drinkers. There’s many reasons that someone might not drink coffee/caffeine that are health related.
I'm wondering if it's worth a non-sedentary non-coffee drinker like me to arch into being a sedentary coffee drinker. Has anyone crunched the numbers on that.
Guessing this is most likely due to caffeine's appetite suppressing effects. I'd be curious if this effect is still apparent after controlling for weight.
I've never been a coffee drinker. How would I go about starting for the health benefits. Is there a good cheap brand and brewer I could get at the dollar store or something like that to give it a try?
>24 percent reduced risk of mortality
Hang on, surely we all have a 100% "risk" of mortality. In fact, mortality is not a risk - it is a certainty.
Are you saying that if I drink coffee there is a 24% chance *I might not die*? How does that work?
Ive heard some pretty wild claims but the suggestion that coffee can grant immortality beats the lot.
Big Coffee really wants me to see this study, third time I've seen it today.
Consider grabbing a hot cup of coffee to enjoy while you read through it!
Brought to you by Starbucks^^^^T^^^^M
I don't really think we have time for a hand job
There’s always a time for a hand job with your easy to make Nespresso™ capsules
It also increases the orgasm experience for women!
That makes one of us
What if they want *good* coffee?
I’ve seen separate studies that have shown coffee both causes and helps prevent cancer. So I dunno anymore. I’m here for a good time, not a long time.
From what I have read it does. Depending on the amount if caffiene you getm somewhere around 400mg of caffiene and it becomes unhealthy.
Which is nearly 1L of coffee (33oz or 4.16 US Cups). It's definitely a lot of coffee.
4 cups is easy to reach across a day if you really like coffee or have a high caffeine tolerance. I used to drink 3 just in the morning.
Like the fifth subreddit I've seen this in
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Cranky? Sounds like a cup of coffee would fix that! ☕️
Best part of waking up is Folgers in your cup!
Someone is getting cranky from caffeine withdrawals.
Good thing caffeine isn't dose dependant above a threshold around 1mg/kg with positive effects. 1 cup is all you need.
Same here, I’m just sitting here drinking my rich evening cup of bold flavored coffee and not being a robot. Mmm MMM!
Down the hatch with Big Coffee! Another!
The terrifying thing isn't shit like this that's obvious and doesn't work. It's how much realistically does. Effective propaganda is shit you agree with by definition.
Not an expert but I'd say the chance of mortality is 100% for everybody.
That's what someone who dont drink coffee would say
U/frakthal is in the pocket of Big Coffee; everyone is saying it
u/Mah_Nerva is in the pocket of Big Mortality; I've seen the money trail.
u/Mah_Nerva & u/Abysskitten are in the pocket of Big Pockets their goal is that we dont forget that pockets exist so that the women fashion industry collapse due to an increase in pocket demand
I prefer the term Scary Pockets
Comments like this is why I scroll Reddit
Or someone who drank coffee nonsedentarily
I refuse to acknowledge the possibility of their existence.
This made me laugh a lot harder than I expected.
Everyone who has ever drank coffee eventually died. Think about that.
You might want to check those stats, there are literally billions of people that have drank coffee but have never died.
Psh. Speak for yourself
It's not coffee. It's the water.
A group of coffee drinking vampires who can't go out during the day is throwing the stats off
The person who posted the article missed a critical word - "cardiovascular" mortality.
I used to joke that my coffee should count as cardio workout; it elevates heart rate right? "That's not how caffeine works..." Maybe it is.
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Source?
Fight club
Source?
there ain't none of us gonna get out of this alive.
I mean... I haven't died yet
i drink coffee and haven’t died, so touche
Do you got a source on that?
And again, since this has been posted. Is it the coffee or caffeine at work?
From the article: > Coffee intake varies dramatically in lifestyle and demographic factors, especially age. Moreover, coffee which is rich in bioactive substances such as caffeine, phenolic compounds, and minerals with a wide range of antioxidant, and anti-inflammatory effects, has been showed to improve insulin resistance and glucose metabolism.
Sounds like something Big Coffee would say
I’d bet it’s similar to how those who own horses live longer.
All that with a side of anxiety and diarrhea
Eh, you can overdo anything but also caffeine hits everyone’s individual body chemistry differently. I only have a cup a day, if I have another it’ll be decaf but I don’t get anxious or jittery off of coffee. Other energy drinks, definitely.
Yeah I don't get the jitters or digestive problems unless I hit coffee hard, like really hard. 1 large cup a day doesn't cause that for me. But I also make sure to eat a lot of fiber.
Yall have awful gut health if coffee gives you diarrhea. Eat a fiber.
Fibre has nothing to do with diarrhea being a potential side effect of caffeine. Caffeine is a laxative. It stimulates muscle contractions in your colon and makes you poop. It was meant as a joke, but as with anything, of course people are going to have a wide array of reactions to it.
Yup, cup or two a day and no issues with diarrhea. Now, make sure you are drinking coffee and not milk with a dash of coffee…
Wouldn’t improving insulin resistance be a bad thing?
Improving insulin resistance means to reduce it.
Well that’s just confusing
Yeah it’s phrased poorly here.
So tea works too.
It'd be interesting to know whether these compounds are in tea as well, since I don't like coffee
Ah nice, a scattergun of vague assertions that may or may not be relevant. Edit: The phrase "rich in" should be enough to discredit this immediately.
I imagine it’s more that people who don’t drink coffee are unhealthier at baseline than coffee drinkers. Consider a 65 yo man who drinks coffee and a 65 yo man who doesn’t drink coffee. Both may be sedentary but the non-drinker is more likely to have a negative reason for not drinking coffee. They’re more likely to have cardiac issues, anxiety, drug interactions, etc as reasons for why they don’t drink. So imo it’s more likely that the two groups aren’t comparable rather than coffee actually having measurable life prolonging properties.
I’m a sedimentary coffee drinker. I like the mud in the bottom of my cup.
like the god of coffee intended
Go home
Not really a surprise, as coffee is high in antioxidants. Don't know what an antioxidant is, but figure it's something good for you, like electrolytes, which I also don't have a clue about.
Electrolytes? Brawndo has those, right?
It's what plants crave!
The thirst mutilator
Way better than toilet water!
Brought to you by Carls Jr
Would you like some Extra Big Ass Tacos!?
Not Sure.
Fuck you, I’m eating
We don't have time for a full body latte, Joe.
they neutralize reactive oxygen species, which are free radicals (things that mess with your cells) originally generated by the electron transport chain (the thing that makes ATP (the thing that lets your inner body do things)).
I was having fun with it, as antioxidants and electolytes get thrown around in advertising, without detailing why they are good for you.
Those health marketing buzz words always crack me up. I bet most of the population doesn’t know what they do
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Most things? Everything is eventually toxic!
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Very true. People are very pedantic. Me included sometimes
"This drink helps you detox your system" aka shitting your guts out for several days
Listen if I’m going to host radicals they are paying their way, none of this free business
So wait? Exercising and using/turning over atp creates free radicals? Is that a part of fatigue that comes with exercise?
Someone who's more up to date on the literature should probably correct me, but free radicals arn't part of the fatigue associated with exercise. It's more of a by product. Whenever I was in college (circa ~2020), evidence suggested that a supplementation/high consumtion of anti-oxidants actually leads to a reduction in hypertrophy response. Free radicals seem to play a role in modulating hypertrophy and overall exercise adaption.
Depending on what fatigue you mean, it's either lactic acid build up in your muscles or you are referring to DOMS I'm not a biologist, I just pick up heavy things and put them down sometimes.
You pick things up and only sometimes put them down ? What are you doing with those you dont put down ?
All I know is that if it isn't bolted down, it's free.
Haha, you had me fooled, I figured you had a physiology degree. I’m the total opposite, I hate the hard effort. And I realize that DOMS is a voodoo witch doctor stuffing pins in the legs of a Jsteigs doll. Ain’t no curing that.
While we are at it, adenosine triphosphate, or ATP, breaks down to adenosine diphosphate (ADP) thru cellular respiration, a chemical process requiring oxygen, to produce energy. That's why you gotta breathe. If you've ever heard of creatine, the supplement, well creatine turns ADP back into ATP faster so you can work out more. Aaaannnddd that's all I remember from biology
Electrolytes are the easier of the two to explain. They're molecules that break apart into two ions in water. Salts and acids. They also make water electrically conductive. --- Oxygen radicals (O1, not the O2 your body needs) are very reactive, and consequently damage a lot of your body's molecules, including DNA. Antioxidants contain an ideal spot for oxygen to react with, that it can't easily break free from, so your kidneys can flush oxygen radicals from your body. In other words, Oxygen is the drunk abusive guy at the bar, and antioxidants are the hot female security guard that lures Oxygen away and then kicks Oxygen out of the bar.
Blue has the most antioxygens
IDK if that's true, everyone knows the anti oxygen's are in blue food
Antioxidants are generally present in dark berries, not just the blue ones, though the blues have some of the highest levels of antioxidants.
Wrong. Blue has the most anti oxygen's https://youtu.be/Piel3IDemEw
People will see this and think “I gotta start drinking more coffee” instead of trying to fix the sedentary part.
As someone who works in an office, then goes home to play video games, I must say that days that include exercise and a third cup of coffee tend to be better than normal. I wonder why? /s
It's comparing drinking coffee vs not drinking coffee. Both groups are sedentary.
Yeah but the entire premise of the study is that a sedentary lifestyle increases your mortality odds across the board
Yea my thought was, “damn I sure am glad I drink coffee and am not sedentary” lol
Oh if you’re not sedentary then the coffee is VERY bad for you
Nooooooooooooo
The coffee was the part that was changed? Everybody is sedentary for these statistics. You’re not wrong, but you’re harping up the wrong tree to make a point that right now is irrelevant
Nice try, starbucks marketing dept
How much does exercise reduce it? Because if it’s less than 24% I have a good idea.
Big coffee out in full force... https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/j24LdUOKG2
It’s not always a short walk to the coffee maker.
As someone who consumes around 500-600mg of caffeine per day (mostly from coffee), thank goodness.
You gon die
You'll never believe what this future-predicting redditor has to say about your future!
600mg is a typical amount of caffeine for coffee drinkers
The average US coffee drinker consumes 14.1 fl oz, which is in the range of150-250 mg of caffeine. 210 mg in a 14 oz Dunkin Donuts coffee. 140 mg in a 14 oz Folgers 260 mg in a 16 oz Starbucks dark roast The average daily caffeine intake from beverages is 165 mg per person in the US. The 90th percentile cutoff is about 400 mg per day. The FDA recommends less than 400 mg daily.
Maybe "typical" was a poor word choice, but my point was that 600mg spread out over a whole day isn't acutely dangerous like the person I was responding to was suggesting. The FDA and doctors in general don't recommend consuming that much caffeine because it can cause anxiety/irritability issues and very poor sleep. The person I responded to was implying that someone would wind up in the hospital over consuming it though. Even if you took all 600mg at once it's not likely to cause hospitalization in a healthy person, especially not someone who regularly takes 600mg of caffeine a day.
That is absurdly false, king
It’s probably higher than average but not by much. That’s like 3 medium coffees.
600mg at once would be pretty unpleasant, at least for someone who's not used to it, but people who drink a lot of coffee are spreading that out through the day. Some people are fast metabolizers of caffeine and they can cosume more than 600mg throughout the day and it'll barely affect them if they spread it out. It's probably more of a tolerance thing than a fast metabolism thing for me but I can do 400mg at a time with caffeine pills without side effects other than an unpleasant crash. Coffee drinkers are usually drinking coffee gradually throughout the day rather than 400mg all at once. There's no acute danger associated with caffeine at those doses for healthy people. The reason why they tell you to stick to 400 is that any more than that and you're going to end up interfering with your sleep. That's certainly not good for you but it's not gonna kill you either.
Remind me in 100 years if he’s still alive or dead
Same. I’m that little orange character in Inside Out 2
Holy crap, isn’t that like 12-15 shots of coffee? 😮
That’s about 5 cups or so. I actually consume about 200mg of caffeine a day and that’s right for me, but if you had two cups first thing in the morning, another two at the office before lunch, and then another around 2pm then it isn’t like insanely unreasonable.
Also many have accustomed to drink 12 ounce coffee from Starbucks and such. Which is really 1.5 cups. So if you drink 3 its 4.5 cups. So in a sense we live in an increasingly coffeineated world. Which undoubtedly affects us in a psychosocial way although it’s doesn’t inflict as much damage in a personal sense like tobacco. It’s a soft drug which naturally has a greater scope of impact like sugar. Also harder to kick. Here I write while me coffee stands in the table.
Oh I thought a coffee shot was 40mg of caffeine - according to online sources, it ranges anywhere between 20mg to 70mg That’s a lot of shots!
It's actually just the coffee execs putting out hits on non coffee drinkers
Well what were the non-coffee drinkers drinking? If the non-coffee group was consuming more sugar (sodas) then ... Sure. I don't think this study can say that coffee is healthy, or that it has anything to do with anti-oxidants or caffeine. You would need a better control group to declare anything meaningful.
"Welcome to Tweek coffee. Coffee made from ingredients supplied by local organic suppliers! It's local coffee. Brewed locally."
Good thing I'm not sedentary. Coffee is overrated.
So, if I drink coffee I will be immortal?
Only if you are sedentary.
Done and done! 31st century, here I come.
I feel like I am too much so, but now I have hope.
I drink a lot of coffee, but I strongly suspect that the fuck off amounts of sugar, chocolate, and cream I add to it thoroughly cancel out any benefits I might be getting from the espresso.
Join the percolation.
I'm gonna say "your mileage may vary", if this study isn't complete bunk funded by the coffee industry. Coffee severely worsens my anxiety attacks. I think that's doing the opposite of making me live longer.
caffeine is a vasoconstrictor, it decreases blood flow through the brain. food for thought
I have a 24% chance of immortality? Is this for real?
Correction: People who sit and drink coffee are less likely to die than people who sit and drink other, often way more unhealthy drinks.
^ didn't read the article or anything from the study but people upvoted them because they sounded confident and snarky.
I think it has more to do with baseline characteristics of coffee drinkers vs non coffee drinkers. There’s many reasons that someone might not drink coffee/caffeine that are health related.
I knew not drinking coffee was the right choice
Finally, some good news.
Finally, some good coffee!
Caffeine buzz gives the heart a workout.
I had that question before. If cardio is good for you because it increases heart activity, shouldn’t (reasonable) stimulant use do something similar?
Stimulant minus activity equals risk of death.
That’s the aim! *takes a long drag from vape* *chugs espresso like it’s water*
And gives me panic attacks as I found out last week lmao
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I'm wondering if it's worth a non-sedentary non-coffee drinker like me to arch into being a sedentary coffee drinker. Has anyone crunched the numbers on that.
I drink coffee and I don't do shit so, welcome to Mars.
They said, the coffee makes them sleepy?
Ah, fuck.
Guessing this is most likely due to caffeine's appetite suppressing effects. I'd be curious if this effect is still apparent after controlling for weight.
Causation or correlation?
🤔
wow--a reduced risk of mortality from the typical 100% mortality rate.
Coffee Master Race rise up!
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/g2plJ3JiKB
Does it work for decaff? That's what I drink.
Coffee is jesus we get it for fucks sake
BUT DO THE PPL IN THE BACK GET IT!?!?
I can see that. It makes ya poop better, it increases blood flow too
Smells like BS.
This is very suspect. Several things are wrong with your title.
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So I'm immortal is what I'm hearing.
Water has a 100% eventual death rate on humans regardless of how healthy they live. Suck on that.
My sentiment is that I hate sediment in my coffee.
This thread needs a reminder for people to check up on their blood pressure :) Go do it and google the values you should be within.
My BP was pretty low 55/100, stopped drinking coffee and it actually improved, idk what's wrong with me lol.
....So they gain immortality?
I also saw this post in r/science
It’s those caffeine jitters.
I better stop being so fucking active
I've never been a coffee drinker. How would I go about starting for the health benefits. Is there a good cheap brand and brewer I could get at the dollar store or something like that to give it a try?
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No he means you misread the title
So I can live forever!!!
I'm going live forever. Damn it.
I mean, are the non-coffee drinkers usually coffee drinkers? Because that would explain this.
Risk of mortality?
If I drink a coffee and sit down my knees channel the power of a thousand suns and start pumping crude oil to the surface.
Is it because you have to get up to go get the coffee?
That's because we have to stand up to pee
It always takes me a bit to remember what sedentary means. Fucking hate that word.
>24 percent reduced risk of mortality Hang on, surely we all have a 100% "risk" of mortality. In fact, mortality is not a risk - it is a certainty. Are you saying that if I drink coffee there is a 24% chance *I might not die*? How does that work? Ive heard some pretty wild claims but the suggestion that coffee can grant immortality beats the lot.
So does drinking coffee make me more or less likely to die. Just trying to get out of here and wanna know if I should be hitting dunks more.
And here is the opposite. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/67VyeziWeP