Back in the 16th century, the colour of cheese would change with the seasons as the cows' diet changed. It was generally thought that the strongly-coloured cheeses made from summer milk were the best.
In order to trick consumers into paying full price for winter milk cheeses, cheesemakers started dying them with carrot or beetroot or annatto. Making the winter cheese look like the good stuff.
Fascinating!
I was told that cheddar specifically was always white, and that during the great depression they added some preservatives that turned it orange, but also gave it a longer shelf life.
Following end of Great Depression and WWII, people were used to orange cheddar so it was more popular and we continued with the additives.
As someone at the end of GenX/beginning of Millennial, it wasn’t until late 90s when I saw white cheddar used for the first time.
This is why it's also not really a thing for cheese to be that orange shade outside of America.
Here in Australia it's sold as "American cheese" or "burger cheese". Even our shelf stable cheese options aren't that violently orange
A lot of cheddar in the US is the same color orange, maybe more orange, than that processed American Cheese that comes in the prepackaged slices (called American Cheese in the US as well). Kraft and Velveeta are the main producers of American cheese in the US (they also make most of the instant/box Mac n Cheese)
We have cheddar cheese here and it's white/pale yellow, so no.
Burger/American cheese is also different to the soft, floppy, plasticky individually wrapped processed cheeses available. The one brand of shelf stable block cheese I can think of is different again to both of those.
The Babcock Test is a centrifuge test used to determine the fat content of milk. It was invented in Wisconsin in the 1890s because people kept watering down the milk and selling by volume. Can't make ice cream from essentially skim milk. Everything's a hustle lol.
I'd say because the word orange didn't exist in the English language when the cheese was created. Like how red heads are really more orange and a Robin red breast is really a Robin orange breast.
There's r/CrowBros, but nobody talks about the Robin Orange Breast that militantly follows you around the garden making sure you're performing up to snuff. And if you're not? It'll see orange.
[Spinach](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/spinach) has a similarly convoluted etymology that didn’t change the word much.
Classical Persian “ispanax”, Arabic “isfanak”, Old Occitan “espinarc”, Old French “espinoche”, Anglo Norman “spinache”, and finally Middle English “spinach”. (May have had Latin in there, sources disagree)
The Persians are the ones that domesticated the plant in the first place, and somehow we still haven’t bothered to change the name much, though much of Asia calls it “Persian vegetable”.
Common origin that predates either language. Old English is essentially Saxon (nb not to be confused with Old Saxon, which is different!); which is very similar to old Norse.
The phylogeny of language is a wild world.
From annatto dye, no less. This practice was picked up by American dairy farmers and used in their version of cheddar cheese. Not all American cheddar is dyed, but the stereotypical block bought at the grocery store is.
Up until relatively recently, UK supermarket cheddar came in both red and undyed versions so people could choose the colour of their otherwise identical taste/texture product.
Now it's usually only undyed but in a gazillion* versions of strength.
*4
American cheddar will now say “aged a minimum of X months” for the extra sharp variety. The texture of the cheese changes considerably the longer it is aged. It becomes crumbly and gets a nutty flavor.
There are no specifications or regulations for how long a cheddar needs to be aged to use those terms in the US though. “Sharpness” varies largely between producers that use the term.
Yes, reading other replies this might be because I'm in Scotland. I didn't realise we had a red cheddar culture going on (my mum will still only buy Galloway cheddar because it's red).
I also can't remember how long ago it was that they phased out blocks/packets of red cheddar beside the undyed cheddar so it might be longer ago than I realise.
Interesting. I've never seen red cheddar on Essex or London, for what it's worth.
Ireland has red lemonade, doesn't it? Maybe Gaels just like red things.
Where I’m from in the U.S, Wisconsin, un-aged is mostly orange, while aged cheddar is white. So they’re definitely different textures. But in other parts of the U.S. they don’t dye their un-aged at all…so it’s all white.
It’s to the point that we have “white cheddar” flavored things that use an extra sharp cheddar flavor to distinguish it from the “normal” orange. Needlessly complicated for things that actually taste the same
That sounds similar to the US. General cheddar is assumed to be orange. Then there's also NY Cheddar, English cheddar, Irish cheddar, Cabot cheddar and white cheddars that are white. Plus it may specify mild, medium, or sharp.
You are missing... absolutely nothing (although it makes macaroni cheese a nice golden colour, and looks nicer as cheese on toast).
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/310161536
This is honestly TIL that the red cheddar I grew up with wasn't a UK wide thing, but the dairy equivilent of 'outwith'. https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/galloway-cheddar-350g
I like to get it from somewhere you can actually smell it. If it's vacuum sealed you just can't know. A good sniff and you'll get a an idea of how much it has to offer. But yeah, when you get bad red Leicester and it just doesn't have the flavour depth it's sad.
I do like to mix it with mature cheddar for a bit of cheese on toast. Doesn't melt well on its own, but mixed it's great.
Huh? Red Leicester is one of the best melting cheeses!
But yes, good red Leicester is amazing. My uncle makes it so we have a good supply of the stuff, even got a kilo wedge in my fridge atm
Delicious Vermont Cheddar is a style of cheese and doesn’t necessarily need to be made in the state of Vermont and it’s white. But I’ve seen orange “Vermont Cheddar” in the supermarkets and it’s just not right, darn it!
In the UK, where cheddar originates from, it’s not orange - it’s a very creamy colour.
The only “orange” cheese that I know is Red Leicester, but that’s quite mild.
Get me some Black Bomber!
In ireland, where we eat cheddar almost as much as youse, the standard is red.
The pale uncoloured cheddar is usually used for stronger drier cheddars, though I think this is just a marketing choice.
A (Scottish!) friend says this is because genetically orange is the easiest colour for a true Scotsman to see. It allows them to distinguish Dundee United, hair, IrnBru, anything battered or breaded, and cheese from the non-essentials of life. :-)
The reverse is true in Australia with drop bears. Even though our flag is blue, white and red, our national colours are green and gold/yellow, because drop bears can't perceive yellow. It creates essentially a broken green camouflage effect against the bushland, keeping us safe from drop bear attacks (though it's still recommended to pair with some Vegemite behind the ear to repel them).
Black Bomber is awesome, and so is Red Devil. Red (orange) cheddar is made in the U.K. and it’s generally preferred in Scotland, but most creameries will make both.
Cheddar is mostly orange in Ireland. If you ask for cheddar in a deli /cafe, you’ll usually get the red stuff. White much more common now but we tend to stick with what we know.
Now that's not true at all lol we have some specific types called "red cheddar" which is, but most of it is the same yellowy colour that UK cheddar is.
That's correct, indigenous cultures have used the seed dye for disease control, fabrics, face paints, hair dye and food for millenia.
https://c8.alamy.com/compes/de8etb/tsachilas-man-comunidad-tsachila-de-los-indios-colorados-santo-domingo-de-los-colorados-provincia-de-pichincha-ecuador-de8etb.jpg
Yes I'm not in America and I always found their orangey cheddar cheese strange looking when I saw it in movies. Orangey cheddar isn't available where I live.
Our Fanta is so fucking bad compared to European Fanta (though I haven’t had the UK version specifically). Normally, I don’t really care about these things but the difference is so significant.
Their Fanta is the color of a carbonated orange juice. Our fanta is the color of orange peel.
https://www.pveuromarket.com/Fanta-Classic-Orange-Single-Bottle-450ml-90418938-13090/?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAA9rhVcoK7XXXjW9jf9ERQYjAxT-iT&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo5rR99aChwMVaTcIBR3gpQfHEAQYByABEgIBZ_D_BwE
https://louisianapantry.com/products/fanta-orange-20oz-bottles-24-pack?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAABe3Ebo1DNiAN-XrWD52eCDaC3RVv&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo5rR99aChwMVaTcIBR3gpQfHEAQYCCABEgKoDPD_BwE
American here, I've never bought orange cheddar. So saying American cheddar is orange isn't right. Rather, orange cheddar is a product that's available in America.
>Bunch of Europeans judging us off the Walmart cheese section.
This is typical for Euros. It would be a lot more offensive if it wasn't the same ignorance they accuse us of.
Going off that list, here's the ones that I regularly see in America.
Stilton
Gruyère
Emmental
Jarlsberg
Brie
Roquefort
Boursin
Camembert
Gouda
Edam
Feta
Gorgonzola
Parmesan
Mozzarella
Cheddar
However, there's usually not one single "cheese section" in grocery stores. There are usually three different places you can find cheeses. There's the deli where you can get cheese sliced to order (typically only a few cheeses like American, Cheddar, Provolone, Muenster, Havarti which are frequently used for sandwiches). There's the dairy section which typically has the most popular cheeses (Cheddar, Parmesan, mozzarella, and Monterrey Jack are the big ones) available in blocks or shredded. Then there's the specialty cheese section, usually near the deli, which has a large variety of other more niche cheeses, typically in smaller portions like 4 ounce wedges.
The stomach acid thing is a preservative and alot of Americans can't tell because they have grown up on it. I don't taste the "stomach acid", but I do know it's there. Just a cultural thing
Tbf if you're a brit, you've got cheeses such as Red Leicester and Shropshire Blue which are also dyed
It's common for brits, yanks, and dutchies to dye their cheeses
I actually thought I hated milk chocolate for the longest time cause I always had Hershey products, after trying some Cadbury products I realized I don't necessarily hate milk chocolate, though I do find it's usually still too sweet. Still prefer dark chocolate on the whole, but yeah as a born and bred American, American milk chocolate is trash
I learned this when I found out i had an annatto allergy.
Fun fact, a surprising number of cheeses and bake goods use annatto for color, in same cases cinnamon will be mixed with annatto as well.
Double Gloucester is the only orange cheese I ever saw in the UK. I remember the American backpackers I lived with always bought that cheese as it was the same colour as their cheese from home.
Funnily enough, both Red Leicester and double Gloucester are dyed red (nowadays with… annatto! Although not historically, Gloucester perhaps being one of the UK’s first dyed cheeses), all cheeses being naturally cheese coloured and not orange
https://www.ilovecheese.co.uk/uk-cheeses/gloucestershire-and-double-gloucester-cheese/
Lots of odd comments, in Scotland there is always orange or white cheddar. Even in Paris last week in the supermarket then only cheddar was orange. I only buy white cheddar (extra mature)
Annatto, or achiote in Spanish, is the shit. It adds flavor and a nice color to soups, beans, meats, tubers etc.
Either buy Goya powder or make your own oil by heating the kernels in it. To do that you need a small metal container. A stainless steel measuring cup works well, although I have seen people use a tuna can.
Where the fuck are you from where they make orange Cheddar cheese?
Cheddar cheese is off white. There are orange cheeses available but the are distinctly not Cheddar cheese.
More like cheddar cheese isn't orange, but for some reason they add orange because half of Americans think cheese is supposed to be orange for some reason.
I’m sure you’ve noticed that in the UK you can buy two cheddars that are a similar white colour, but massively different in quality and price.
It’s very unlikely that the expensive cheddar they bought is the same as that cheddar simply because the colour is the same.
Cheese made from cows grazed on fresh grass in the summer tasted better and has a yellow tint to it. Ergo, if yellow cheese tastes better than orange cheese would be the best. Consumer "education" at its best.
Here you have options for white and orange cheddar. One person told me the only difference is that they dye one orange. They otherwise taste the same. I do think the orange looks aesthetically nicer.
In Little House on the Prairie they used carrot juice to dye the butter to a more yellow color. I imagine similar things were done way back to dye a variety of foods that would otherwise be boring white
that’s precisely the reason why I avoid American cheddar at all costs even tho I adore English cheddar, which looks like proper cheese.
p.s. I’m not even British btw, I’m Italian
^ THIS -
Two of my favorite cheese makers are Cabot Creamery and Sugarbush farms. (Both in VT)
Cabot is available in a lot of grocery stores in the US - in block form.
The Farmhouse Reserve is an aged white brick of utter brilliance. 🐄
Love that Wisconsin cheese as well.
i eat cheddar every day near enough and it is always white. why on earth are they colouring it orange, is this an american thing? i have never seen that personally, but then again, im not looking for orange cheddar, because it shouldn’t be orange.
It’s depends where you are in America. In the Northeast cheddar tends to be white. Vermont and New York cheddar, two big cheese producing states, are normally white. Wisconsin cheddar, located in the Midwest, tends to be orange.
In the UK and Ireland, cheddar used to be orange (still is, in lots of places), and I was told that this was originally linked to the diet of the cows who were allowed to graze wherever. As agricultural practices changed though, the cows diets became more homogeneous, less beta carotene meant that the cheese didn’t have the orange-y colour, so people started colouring it and this practice really caught on, and was exported to the US.
Here’s an article about it: https://cheesemaker.ca/blogs/education/the-secret-behind-cheddar-s-orange-colour
Wait until you learn that Cheddar isn't orange. Technically it's not Cheddar if it isnt from Cheddar Gorge, UK.
Bit like Champagne.
Edit: loving the cheese based coping from the yanks below
Cheddar isn't a protected term at all, unlike gruyere where my favorite cheese shop in Wisconsin literally got a cease and desist letter for selling a copycat cheese as gruyere. They all have to call it "Alpine" cheese now.
Back in the 16th century, the colour of cheese would change with the seasons as the cows' diet changed. It was generally thought that the strongly-coloured cheeses made from summer milk were the best. In order to trick consumers into paying full price for winter milk cheeses, cheesemakers started dying them with carrot or beetroot or annatto. Making the winter cheese look like the good stuff.
Fascinating! I was told that cheddar specifically was always white, and that during the great depression they added some preservatives that turned it orange, but also gave it a longer shelf life. Following end of Great Depression and WWII, people were used to orange cheddar so it was more popular and we continued with the additives. As someone at the end of GenX/beginning of Millennial, it wasn’t until late 90s when I saw white cheddar used for the first time.
This is why it's also not really a thing for cheese to be that orange shade outside of America. Here in Australia it's sold as "American cheese" or "burger cheese". Even our shelf stable cheese options aren't that violently orange
A lot of cheddar in the US is the same color orange, maybe more orange, than that processed American Cheese that comes in the prepackaged slices (called American Cheese in the US as well). Kraft and Velveeta are the main producers of American cheese in the US (they also make most of the instant/box Mac n Cheese)
I was visiting NZ they had a kind just called "Tasty Cheese" and I figured - who buys anything other than that kind??? ;)
I certainly don't want any non-tasty varieties 😂🤣 In seriousness it's a bit of a different flavour to cheddar (and often a little more expensive)
> "American cheese" or "burger cheese" Just checking, you're not confusing cheddar and "processed cheese?"
We have cheddar cheese here and it's white/pale yellow, so no. Burger/American cheese is also different to the soft, floppy, plasticky individually wrapped processed cheeses available. The one brand of shelf stable block cheese I can think of is different again to both of those.
Here in Ireland white cheddar is more common than orange; so this whole thread is bizarre to me; does answer why orange cheddar exists though.
The real TIL is always in the comments
The truth is you’ve always known this, the real TIL was inside you the whole time.
I didn't even make it to the last sentence and I was nervously laughing and saying "Jesus fucking Christ." Why does everyone have to be a scammer?
It’s marketing babe
The Babcock Test is a centrifuge test used to determine the fat content of milk. It was invented in Wisconsin in the 1890s because people kept watering down the milk and selling by volume. Can't make ice cream from essentially skim milk. Everything's a hustle lol.
Cheddar Cheese is not really orange normally. Red Leicester is Orange.
I love Red Leicester.
Why don’t they call it orange Leicester ?
I'd say because the word orange didn't exist in the English language when the cheese was created. Like how red heads are really more orange and a Robin red breast is really a Robin orange breast.
There's r/CrowBros, but nobody talks about the Robin Orange Breast that militantly follows you around the garden making sure you're performing up to snuff. And if you're not? It'll see orange.
Probably for the same reason why Robins are called red. The name orange had not yet been made.
What did they call oranges before the word orange ?
They didn’t, the word comes from the fruit.
Naranga from sanskrit. Often referred to as golden apples.
So the Spanish word for the fruit came down directly from sandskrit?
Etymology is a world of its own mate
[Spinach](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/spinach) has a similarly convoluted etymology that didn’t change the word much. Classical Persian “ispanax”, Arabic “isfanak”, Old Occitan “espinarc”, Old French “espinoche”, Anglo Norman “spinache”, and finally Middle English “spinach”. (May have had Latin in there, sources disagree) The Persians are the ones that domesticated the plant in the first place, and somehow we still haven’t bothered to change the name much, though much of Asia calls it “Persian vegetable”.
Redyellow was how they described orange.
Geoluread in Old English, because this was also before they'd invented spelling.
(Reads as "yellow-red" but with a strong Yorkshire accent...)
The irony of this is that Old English spelling was far more phonetic than Modern English spelling lol
Which shows that it is likely of Scandinavian origin. I would read it as "gulröd", meaning yellow-red in Swedish.
Common origin that predates either language. Old English is essentially Saxon (nb not to be confused with Old Saxon, which is different!); which is very similar to old Norse. The phylogeny of language is a wild world.
Also oranges and grapefruit are relatively recent inventions, not naturally occurring. Oranges in 17th century, grapefruit from them in the 18th.
Anatto in raw form is red 🤷♂️
I love all the cheeses... Red Leicester... All the cheeses
From annatto dye, no less. This practice was picked up by American dairy farmers and used in their version of cheddar cheese. Not all American cheddar is dyed, but the stereotypical block bought at the grocery store is.
Up until relatively recently, UK supermarket cheddar came in both red and undyed versions so people could choose the colour of their otherwise identical taste/texture product. Now it's usually only undyed but in a gazillion* versions of strength. *4
American cheddar will now say “aged a minimum of X months” for the extra sharp variety. The texture of the cheese changes considerably the longer it is aged. It becomes crumbly and gets a nutty flavor.
There are no specifications or regulations for how long a cheddar needs to be aged to use those terms in the US though. “Sharpness” varies largely between producers that use the term.
I have never seen red cheddar in a uk supermarket except from cheese slices
Yes, reading other replies this might be because I'm in Scotland. I didn't realise we had a red cheddar culture going on (my mum will still only buy Galloway cheddar because it's red). I also can't remember how long ago it was that they phased out blocks/packets of red cheddar beside the undyed cheddar so it might be longer ago than I realise.
Interesting. I've never seen red cheddar on Essex or London, for what it's worth. Ireland has red lemonade, doesn't it? Maybe Gaels just like red things.
Where I’m from in the U.S, Wisconsin, un-aged is mostly orange, while aged cheddar is white. So they’re definitely different textures. But in other parts of the U.S. they don’t dye their un-aged at all…so it’s all white. It’s to the point that we have “white cheddar” flavored things that use an extra sharp cheddar flavor to distinguish it from the “normal” orange. Needlessly complicated for things that actually taste the same
That sounds similar to the US. General cheddar is assumed to be orange. Then there's also NY Cheddar, English cheddar, Irish cheddar, Cabot cheddar and white cheddars that are white. Plus it may specify mild, medium, or sharp.
Vermont cheddar too.
Or Tillamook New York Extra Sharp Reserve! The more words in the name, the fancier
Tillamook vanilla ice cream is so much better than others
Lived in the UK all my life and I've never seen orange cheddar.
You are missing... absolutely nothing (although it makes macaroni cheese a nice golden colour, and looks nicer as cheese on toast). https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/310161536
This is honestly TIL that the red cheddar I grew up with wasn't a UK wide thing, but the dairy equivilent of 'outwith'. https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/galloway-cheddar-350g
>From annatto dye, no less LOL
I don't think I've ever tasted Red Leicester.....I love most cheeses so I'll have to fix that.
I love a good, mature Red Leicester, but I find a lot of what is sold under the name to be rather underwhelming.
I like to get it from somewhere you can actually smell it. If it's vacuum sealed you just can't know. A good sniff and you'll get a an idea of how much it has to offer. But yeah, when you get bad red Leicester and it just doesn't have the flavour depth it's sad. I do like to mix it with mature cheddar for a bit of cheese on toast. Doesn't melt well on its own, but mixed it's great.
> *I do like to mix it with mature cheddar for a bit of cheese on toast.* Few drops of Worcester sauce. Ooo.
Oooh yes, absolutely.
I'll be right round for a spot of lunch, ta.
Now add some mustard and a little bit of beer and you have a Welsh rarebit.
Drops? Naaaah a good several sloshes. Butter the bread to give it a protective layer from soaking.
Or, if you’re a Marmite fan, a thin spreading of same under the cheese before putting it under the grill.
Huh? Red Leicester is one of the best melting cheeses! But yes, good red Leicester is amazing. My uncle makes it so we have a good supply of the stuff, even got a kilo wedge in my fridge atm
Red fox cheese is really nice, it's mature red Leicester
I like it mixed with cheddar, it creates a good combination
It's good. It's like cheddar but milder and with a slight nuttiness to it.
Delicious Vermont Cheddar is a style of cheese and doesn’t necessarily need to be made in the state of Vermont and it’s white. But I’ve seen orange “Vermont Cheddar” in the supermarkets and it’s just not right, darn it!
Yep. Lived in VT for a decade and they know their cheddar. I moved back to MA but still get VT cheddar
I have not seen this but I totally agree. Not right.
The great State of Vermont will not apologize for its cheese!
In the UK, where cheddar originates from, it’s not orange - it’s a very creamy colour. The only “orange” cheese that I know is Red Leicester, but that’s quite mild. Get me some Black Bomber!
Double Gloucester is also orange, albeit slightly less so that Red Leicester.
Black bomber is absolutely fantastic. I also love a proper vintage with all the little crunchy bits, just so full of flavour
Same in Australia, if my cheddar was orange I would freak out
The subway cheese is orange in Australia, I don't know which fuckwit brought that over with them but it's just not right.
That's what you get for not letting us have hungry jacks
It’s literally just Burger King.
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No this is not true. It is a natural colorant. Red Leicester in the UK is orange for the same reason
It might not be the high end stuff but every grocery store I’ve been in they have white and yellow and it’s the same price.
In ireland, where we eat cheddar almost as much as youse, the standard is red. The pale uncoloured cheddar is usually used for stronger drier cheddars, though I think this is just a marketing choice.
In Scotland cheddar is often dyed orange, particularly mild cheddar for some reason.
A (Scottish!) friend says this is because genetically orange is the easiest colour for a true Scotsman to see. It allows them to distinguish Dundee United, hair, IrnBru, anything battered or breaded, and cheese from the non-essentials of life. :-)
It all makes sense now.
It's why we find it easy to hunt for haggis, they're bright orange fur gives them away in the highlands
The reverse is true in Australia with drop bears. Even though our flag is blue, white and red, our national colours are green and gold/yellow, because drop bears can't perceive yellow. It creates essentially a broken green camouflage effect against the bushland, keeping us safe from drop bear attacks (though it's still recommended to pair with some Vegemite behind the ear to repel them).
Same in Ireland.
Apparently according to my partner (she is from the UK) Shropshire blue is orange.. go figure.
The blue comes from the veining. Like Stilton, but orange. And blue.
Red Leicester is orange because of the same dye that is used in American cheddar
same in Canada...the only orange cheddar is the mass produced stuff from the US, any decent cheddar is off white/yellowish
Black Bomber is awesome, and so is Red Devil. Red (orange) cheddar is made in the U.K. and it’s generally preferred in Scotland, but most creameries will make both.
Shropshire blue is orange and also one of the best cheeses imo.
Cheddar is mostly orange in Ireland. If you ask for cheddar in a deli /cafe, you’ll usually get the red stuff. White much more common now but we tend to stick with what we know.
Now that's not true at all lol we have some specific types called "red cheddar" which is, but most of it is the same yellowy colour that UK cheddar is.
TIL Annatto is a fruit
The part used in food is the seed of the fruit, according to Wikipedia
That's correct, indigenous cultures have used the seed dye for disease control, fabrics, face paints, hair dye and food for millenia. https://c8.alamy.com/compes/de8etb/tsachilas-man-comunidad-tsachila-de-los-indios-colorados-santo-domingo-de-los-colorados-provincia-de-pichincha-ecuador-de8etb.jpg
It’s in Sazon Goya packets and stains everything reddish orange. I guess the leaves can also be used medicinally for the scoots etc.
*American cheddar cheese is orange
Yes I'm not in America and I always found their orangey cheddar cheese strange looking when I saw it in movies. Orangey cheddar isn't available where I live.
It's the same as their Fanta. For some reason it's dyed a horrid orange colour.
We like our radioactive colors
Should have seen what we were eating in the 90s. I’m convinced that’s why people aren’t aging like they used to
Ahhh purple ketchup. What a time to be alive.
Just like their ex presidents.
Disgraced, criminal ex-presidents.
Our Fanta is so fucking bad compared to European Fanta (though I haven’t had the UK version specifically). Normally, I don’t really care about these things but the difference is so significant.
Wait? What? Fanta isnt orange where you are?
It's yellow where I am.
Their Fanta is the color of a carbonated orange juice. Our fanta is the color of orange peel. https://www.pveuromarket.com/Fanta-Classic-Orange-Single-Bottle-450ml-90418938-13090/?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAA9rhVcoK7XXXjW9jf9ERQYjAxT-iT&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo5rR99aChwMVaTcIBR3gpQfHEAQYByABEgIBZ_D_BwE https://louisianapantry.com/products/fanta-orange-20oz-bottles-24-pack?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAABe3Ebo1DNiAN-XrWD52eCDaC3RVv&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo5rR99aChwMVaTcIBR3gpQfHEAQYCCABEgKoDPD_BwE
Whatever happened to carbonated orange juice? That stuff used to be everywhere, but I just realized I haven't seen hide nor hair of it in years.
Orangina?
Fanta is carbonated orange juice. Its ingredients literally start with “Carbonated Water, Sugar, Orange Juice From Concentrate (3.7%)”.
I'd call that carbonated sugar with a splash of orange juice
American here, I've never bought orange cheddar. So saying American cheddar is orange isn't right. Rather, orange cheddar is a product that's available in America.
Shout out to Vermont for keeping their cheddar milk colored
Good cheddar here isn’t. I haven’t bought that in decades.
I've never seen orange Vermont aged cheddar 🤣🤣. Bunch of Europeans judging us off the Walmart cheese section.
>Bunch of Europeans judging us off the Walmart cheese section. This is typical for Euros. It would be a lot more offensive if it wasn't the same ignorance they accuse us of.
No, this definitely isn't a "weird Americans bad" thing bruh. Here in Germany, you'll Also find a lot of orange cheddar
Only shit American cheddar cheese.....any aged Vermont cheddar I've ever seen was a natural white. We don't all eat the Walmart special $1.99/lb trash
As a Vermonter - cheddar is not orange
Ya, only shitty cheddar is orange. There are lots of very good American cheddars - even from Wisconsin - and none of them are orange.
This is a cheese shop? And you do sell cheese?
Of course, sir. It's a cheese shop, sir.
Explain the logic underlying that conclusion.
Finest in the district!
It's so clean!
Well it's certainly uncontaminated but cheese
Do you have: * Red Leicester * Tilsit * Caerphilly * Bel Paese * Red Windsor * Stilton * Gruyère * Emmental * Norwegian Jarlsberg * Liptauer * Lancashire * White Stilton * Danish Blue * Double Gloucester * Cheshire * Dorset Blue Vinney * Brie * Roquefort * Pont l'Évêque * Port Salut * Savoyard * Saint-Paulin * Carré de l'Est * Boursin * Bresse-Bleu * Perle de Champagne * Camembert (I like it runny) * Gouda * Edam * Caithness * Smoked Austrian * Sage Derby * Wensleydale * Greek feta * Gorgonzola * Parmesan * Mozzarella * Pipo Crem * Danish Fynbo * Czechoslovakian sheep's milk cheese * Venezuelan beaver cheese * Cheddar (not much call for it 'round here) * Ilchester * Limburger * Stinking Bishop * or any cheese at all?
Going off that list, here's the ones that I regularly see in America. Stilton Gruyère Emmental Jarlsberg Brie Roquefort Boursin Camembert Gouda Edam Feta Gorgonzola Parmesan Mozzarella Cheddar However, there's usually not one single "cheese section" in grocery stores. There are usually three different places you can find cheeses. There's the deli where you can get cheese sliced to order (typically only a few cheeses like American, Cheddar, Provolone, Muenster, Havarti which are frequently used for sandwiches). There's the dairy section which typically has the most popular cheeses (Cheddar, Parmesan, mozzarella, and Monterrey Jack are the big ones) available in blocks or shredded. Then there's the specialty cheese section, usually near the deli, which has a large variety of other more niche cheeses, typically in smaller portions like 4 ounce wedges.
STOP THAT BLOODY BAZUKI !
TIL learned that “cheddar” cheese in America is dyed orange.
It's one of those strange cultural things. Americans like their cheese orange and their chocolate tasting vaguely of stomach acid
The stomach acid thing is a preservative and alot of Americans can't tell because they have grown up on it. I don't taste the "stomach acid", but I do know it's there. Just a cultural thing
Tbf if you're a brit, you've got cheeses such as Red Leicester and Shropshire Blue which are also dyed It's common for brits, yanks, and dutchies to dye their cheeses
I actually thought I hated milk chocolate for the longest time cause I always had Hershey products, after trying some Cadbury products I realized I don't necessarily hate milk chocolate, though I do find it's usually still too sweet. Still prefer dark chocolate on the whole, but yeah as a born and bred American, American milk chocolate is trash
cadbury sold in the US is made by hersheys. world market used to sell imported cadburys, but i guess hershey stopped that.
The formula Hershey uses for the USA Cadbury stuff is awful. Its too sweet because of high fructose corn syrup.
No need for the dumb scare quotes, it's still cheddar and it's a natural dye
Only shitty American cheddar is dyed orange. There are good American cheddars and none of them are orange.
IIRC in the US the West coast eats mostly orange cheddar while the East eats mostly white.
Cheddar cheese is not fucking orange.
The cheddar in my fridge is yellow
The cheddar in my fridge is white.
I'd maybe peel off that layer 😄
I learned this when I found out i had an annatto allergy. Fun fact, a surprising number of cheeses and bake goods use annatto for color, in same cases cinnamon will be mixed with annatto as well.
Most cheddar in the uk is yellow/cream... Red Lester is orange
In new zealand they don't bother. cheddar is white.
Double Gloucester is the only orange cheese I ever saw in the UK. I remember the American backpackers I lived with always bought that cheese as it was the same colour as their cheese from home.
Red Leicester wants a word with you.
Funnily enough, both Red Leicester and double Gloucester are dyed red (nowadays with… annatto! Although not historically, Gloucester perhaps being one of the UK’s first dyed cheeses), all cheeses being naturally cheese coloured and not orange https://www.ilovecheese.co.uk/uk-cheeses/gloucestershire-and-double-gloucester-cheese/
One of my favorite cheeses
just buy actual cheddar from GB, it’s yellow
It's white here in Canada and in the UK.
How to piss off the UK with a single sentence.
Lots of odd comments, in Scotland there is always orange or white cheddar. Even in Paris last week in the supermarket then only cheddar was orange. I only buy white cheddar (extra mature)
do blue cheese next!
Annatto, or achiote in Spanish, is the shit. It adds flavor and a nice color to soups, beans, meats, tubers etc. Either buy Goya powder or make your own oil by heating the kernels in it. To do that you need a small metal container. A stainless steel measuring cup works well, although I have seen people use a tuna can.
My TIL is that annatto is fruit
Annatto fruit? Which fruit?
Cheddar is not orange.
TIL There are orange coloured Chedder cheese in some parts of the world
It’s “colored” when the cheese is orange. /s
Where the fuck are you from where they make orange Cheddar cheese? Cheddar cheese is off white. There are orange cheeses available but the are distinctly not Cheddar cheese.
Vermont Cheddar isn't orange.
More like cheddar cheese isn't orange, but for some reason they add orange because half of Americans think cheese is supposed to be orange for some reason.
I just shredded an expensive block of cheese my daughter brought me that was white cheddar, tasted like delicious cheddar.
That's just bog standard cheddar in this country. ~ £3 for 350g.
I’m sure you’ve noticed that in the UK you can buy two cheddars that are a similar white colour, but massively different in quality and price. It’s very unlikely that the expensive cheddar they bought is the same as that cheddar simply because the colour is the same.
Cheese made from cows grazed on fresh grass in the summer tasted better and has a yellow tint to it. Ergo, if yellow cheese tastes better than orange cheese would be the best. Consumer "education" at its best.
Here you have options for white and orange cheddar. One person told me the only difference is that they dye one orange. They otherwise taste the same. I do think the orange looks aesthetically nicer.
In Little House on the Prairie they used carrot juice to dye the butter to a more yellow color. I imagine similar things were done way back to dye a variety of foods that would otherwise be boring white
My life is a lie…
It's not always added, I grew up in New England with plain old pale yellow sharp cheddar.
So “white cheddar” is just normal cheddar without the coloring? My whole life has been a lie!
Cheddar where I'm from just looks like any standard old cheese. Pale yellow colour
Cheddar cheese is not orange.
Not in the UK. We do see this weird orange cheddar in brussels where I live now. But like everything died orange, it’s most likely lying.
We have both, red cheddar is more popular in Scotland.
US-centrism in action, Cheddar cheese is not orange unless you're in the USA.
that’s precisely the reason why I avoid American cheddar at all costs even tho I adore English cheddar, which looks like proper cheese. p.s. I’m not even British btw, I’m Italian
The natural colorant does not affect taste or texture at all
Get yourself a nice vermont sharp cheddar. The good ones are never dyed and they are delicious.
^ THIS - Two of my favorite cheese makers are Cabot Creamery and Sugarbush farms. (Both in VT) Cabot is available in a lot of grocery stores in the US - in block form. The Farmhouse Reserve is an aged white brick of utter brilliance. 🐄 Love that Wisconsin cheese as well.
Cheddar cheese isn’t orange though, it’s yellow/offwhite
i eat cheddar every day near enough and it is always white. why on earth are they colouring it orange, is this an american thing? i have never seen that personally, but then again, im not looking for orange cheddar, because it shouldn’t be orange.
It’s depends where you are in America. In the Northeast cheddar tends to be white. Vermont and New York cheddar, two big cheese producing states, are normally white. Wisconsin cheddar, located in the Midwest, tends to be orange.
In the UK and Ireland, cheddar used to be orange (still is, in lots of places), and I was told that this was originally linked to the diet of the cows who were allowed to graze wherever. As agricultural practices changed though, the cows diets became more homogeneous, less beta carotene meant that the cheese didn’t have the orange-y colour, so people started colouring it and this practice really caught on, and was exported to the US. Here’s an article about it: https://cheesemaker.ca/blogs/education/the-secret-behind-cheddar-s-orange-colour
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Orange cheddar is wild. It's not orange in its country of origin
Real cheddar is not orange.
Well not all cheddar cheese just the american stuff
TIL Americans think cheddar cheese is supposed to be orange
Who buys orange cheddar cheese
>*American* cheddar cheese is orange… FTFY
Wait until you learn that Cheddar isn't orange. Technically it's not Cheddar if it isnt from Cheddar Gorge, UK. Bit like Champagne. Edit: loving the cheese based coping from the yanks below
Only “West Country Farmhouse Cheddar” has protection like Champagne, not just “cheddar”.
Cheddar isn't a protected term at all, unlike gruyere where my favorite cheese shop in Wisconsin literally got a cease and desist letter for selling a copycat cheese as gruyere. They all have to call it "Alpine" cheese now.
Cheddar isn't a protected term like champagne (it should be), so it's still cheddar.