I was taking my nieces home after seeing Six: The Musical and encountered this dude. Hard to explain to 2 small town 11 year olds. Mental illness is a terrible thing, I hav bipolar disoder myself, but it's really sad that there's no one to help this clearly very disturbed individual. I have empathy for him, but seriously dude shut the fuck up.
It's going to get worse because of this hands off approach to mental health treatment for people going through a mental health crisis. It's an austerity measure that's packaged as the "more humane" method when that couldnt be further from the truth.
When a person is so far gone that they are incapable of seeking treament of their own accord the humane thing to do is make treatment obligatory.
I agree completely, the best thing that ever happened to me was my parents having me involuntarily confined in a psychiatric hospital. If they hadn't i dont exaggerate when I say I'd probably be dead. I'm doing much better these days.
Just wanted to chime in to say it is great to hear that you are doing much better even though never met you and probably never will. Gives hope for others on here who may be facing similar issues too
Wow the fact that both of you know exactly who this guy is right away means he's been doing it for so long he's notorious for it. And yet law enforcement has not dealt with him made the situation even sadder.
This is not a police issue. It’s a decision we made, through our elected officials, 40 years ago when we threw people like this into the street without support.
The idea of community living was corrupted and adopted by right wing politicians as an excuse to remove support for people with needs, to not solve systemic issues with group homes, and to spend money on God knows what.
Whomever told you that people have "freedom of speech" is vehemently incorrect. We don't have "freedom of speech" in Canada. We have "freedom of expression" and it doesn't cover hate speech. We do, however, have a whole slew of anti-hate laws.
Guy told you to die and the cop was talking about freedom of speech? I mean have a whole section about hate speech, but if you're feeling threatened that's not freedom of speech.
Cop was an asshole and I'm sorry you had to deal with this.
Some guy followed me for a block and threatened to kill, rape, etc me, I went into a store and they locked the door. He yelled a bit and yanked the door then left.
I called police and they were like well obviously he didn’t kill you. That was it.
This is honestly what I found extremely shocking as well. Are we waiting for someone to get murdered before any action is taken? Do everyday people not have the right to go about their lives in this city without fearing for their lives?
See you must be really new to Canada…
Cops don’t give a fuck about helping you, and if you’re not white, expect to get fucked over in every police interaction. So do your best to avoid them.
Uttering threat is very specific. It has to be like, "I will harm/kill you"
Telling someone to die is vague. Unless he said, I will make sure you die" then we have a threat
From OP's story, I think Criminal Code 264.1 (c) applies.
The police should have taken action because a crime was committed, however ever since Covid-19, the police has been turning a blind eye on many crimes.
[https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-264.1.html](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-264.1.html)
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[**264.1**]() (1) Every one commits an offence who, in any manner, knowingly utters, conveys or causes any person to receive a threat
>Marginal note:Punishment(2) Every one who commits an offence under paragraph (1)(a) is guilty of
Again let me stress that what happened to op was terrible, but based on ops own words no threat was ever made. And are we really going to try and downplay the fact that a violent criminal pulled out a knife on a member of society during the commission of a crime? Let’s also not forget that the same violent criminal chose to drive the wrong way during a high speed chase that he started. Absolutely the cops should have called it off but the main responsibility falls on the ass hat who broke the law.
“Cops should drive like they’re in GTA whenever they feel like” - you
No one was hurt, until the off duty idiot with a badge started playing irl cops and robbers
Uhhh armed robbery is serious regardless of whether anyone is physically injured.
I got robbed working at a gas station and it was hands down one of the worst things that’s ever happened to me. I couldn’t work with the public and had nightmares for months.
A similar situation happened to me back in 2007. A guy high on hard drugs asked me for a cigarette. I don’t smoke, so I told him sorry I don’t smoke. That set him off and he followed me up my street yelling racial slurs at me and threatening to fuck me up. I called non emergency police line and they told me to just keep walking and they can’t send anyone for this now. I didn’t want to go inside my house because I didn’t want this guy knowing where I lived and I was living with my parents at that time and didn’t want to bring them any trouble. The crazy guy got in front of me and spit in my face. I had enough and knocked his ass out! It looked like he was dead. I was worried that someone was going to call the cops on me now, so I didn’t stick around to find out. Fast forward a couple weeks later, I was in line to checkout at FutureShop. The same man joins the lineup behind me lol. I turned around and stared at him, he was sober and had no clue I was the guy that knocked him out. He genuinely didn’t recognize me as I was just another random stranger to him in the store.
Damn, that's a sadly good story because it proves that many times yes, there is some sort of 'excuse' for someone's inexcusable behavior
And look how it impacted you, basically an unforgettable experience. That sucks a lot. Disgusting to be spat on, and in your face at that, enraging.
I know people who have been spit on and had slurs yelled after not giving money to someone, but they definitely weren't people who could fight back sadly, not that anyone should have to.
Guy got what he deserved, glad he didn't actually die and you didn't get unfairly punished for defending yourself
And yeah if a cop got spat on, a true slam/restraint and charges would follow obviously
Ure lucky there was no cop watching you punch him or else u could’ve been charged with assault. That’s just the reality we’re living in rn unfortunately. We have crappy self defense laws here in Canada. Next time just make a run for it(I hope u never end up in a situation like this ever again tho🤞🤞),but if u do not engage.
I'm pretty sure Canada has carve outs for hate and harassment in our freedom of speech laws and having hateful shit thrown at you in public is not covered by freedom of speech
That's not a "carve out," it's an entirely different thing entirely. "Freedom of speech" refers to political speech and sentiment lol. In this case, you're not punishing someone for being racist, which would be an affront to free society no matter how Pierre Trudeau chose to define that in 1982. He's fully within his rights to say racist things, to publish them, to advocate them, etc. He's harassing him by the act of following him around and screaming at him and being a public nuisance. The content of his screams is more or less irrelevant. Basically any time anyone talks about a "carve out" or "limit" or "exception" to free speech, they're confusing what "speech" means in this context. It's obviously not "speech" to order a hit on someone, even if the action consists of saying words.
For something to be considered hate speech under our laws, the speaker needs to be advocating for violence against a group. Maybe the person who harassed OP included racist calls for violence, but nothing in the post directly says that type of abuse was included.
This definitely sounds like harassment. But I don't think there's much that can be done once the perpetrator stops harassing people and it's no longer an active issue.
I’m Indian and also faced racism recently unfortunately
I work as a bank teller for one of the big 5 banks. A customer racially harassed me and said “you stupid Indian” and said “I hate all you Indians.” The thing is she was also a person of colour and had a thick accent.
Plus I’m Canadian born, racists don’t opt out Canadian born people.
My manager said the bank wouldn’t cut ties with her so its a sign I need to leave this job and fuck this company for not even taking racial harassment seriously
You get verbally abused and workplace just shrugs, fucking typical. Your workplace should have acted on this and they have [a duty to protect you from shit like this.](https://www.ihsa.ca/topics_hazards/workplace_violence_harassment.aspx#:~:text=Bill%20168%20%2D%20Workplace%20Violence%20and%20Harassment&text=This%20legislation%20is%20meant%20to,construction%20and%20utility%20industry%20employers)
That really sucks. I worked at a bank that had zero tolerance for any employee abuse. It didn't matter who the customer was. We were very swift to exit clients.
Make sure it's documented and try to get severance. Forget the big and r/legaladvicecanada can comment more but harassment on the job isn't taken lightly and almost forced you to leave? Maybe I'm misspoken
I’m SO incredibly sorry to hear about your experience…
I’m a white guy in his 50s, so I can never experience what you went through myself, but my wife is Indian, and was born here… and I know her childhood had plenty of moments like that… and that shit fills me with anger and sadness.
From what I’ve seen, through watching our children grow up, it’s much less of an issue it seems with their generation… it’s so multicultural here now, that in their high school, white kids were the minority… most of their friends are either south Asian or mixed like they are… so dealing with crap like that doesn’t seem to be as much of a thing for them thankfully….
With the recent influx of new comers to Canada, mainly South Asian, I think what you went through might be sadly more common in the near term… I know in my hometown of Peterborough, when I grew up there it was pretty much the whitest place on earth… but on recent visits, you can plainly see that many MANY Indians and other south Asian folks have either settled there or are in college there… which has drastically changed the town in many ways…
Now.. for me? I absolutely love it… to me it means diversity, more culture, and new interesting people to get to know…
Others see drastically increased rent costs, and difficulties in finding employment…
I think the next few years will be rough for a lot of folks… folks that are finding it difficult now will be looking for someone to blame… and bigots and racist folks generally start with anyone that looks different from themselves…
But.
I personally like to think that MOST folks just want to get along and I have faith that things will generally get better over time…
Once again, very sorry you had to go through that …
For what it’s worth, my mom who is 80 now, knits Afghan comforters for newcomer families, and thinks all the new Indian people in our hometown is the best thing ever :) she’s made all kinds of new friends, and can’t wait to tell them all about her Indian daughter in law, her half Indian grandchildren, and to share a few words of Malayalam that she knows lol :)
Similar situation happened to me at Laissez Faire on King W. We were in line waiting to get in and the bouncer didn’t let us in when it was our turn, skipped us and took in the next group. Mind you they didn’t know each other or anything. Checked the reviews and there were a lot of PoCs complaining about how they leave PoCs out when allowing people in.
What you faced is not acceptable and I’m sorry to hear this happened. The person is probably mentally ill or unstable to act like that.
Doesn’t make it right but I hope you don’t think we’re all like that.
The hate right now is pretty apparent and in abundance on the Internet right now too..everytime u look at one of 6ixbuzz post or any ig reels that has anything to do with Indians, the comments r always negative and racists like “it must smell crazy there” “deport” “curry munchers “ ..I don’t think everyone of them r mentally ill
This comment section gives me hope that there are a lot of good people in the world. I hope it gives you hope too. And to make up for the shit he said - I hope you DONT die for a VERY long time. I hope you live a VERY LONG AND HEALTHY LIFE full of LOVE PROSPERITY AND SUCCESS❤️ don’t worry - I cancelled out his hate and replaced it with the opposite. You’re amazing. This is your home. Regards, a fellow Indian (immigrant).
We saw a lady on a bike, looking back and saying things like - “you should be stabbed” to well dressed 3 Indian guys minding their own business walking by the waterfront near Sugar Beach.
As a pregnant lady, I was super scared for them and myself because the lady really seemed very weird to shout at folks easily 10-15 feet away from you and talk about stabbing.
That is so absolutely ridiculous, and I’m sorry that happened to you. Usually all you can do in a case like that is to not absorb any of it and understand that the vast majority of people do not feel that way at all. Their hate is designed for you to start believing that it’s something much bigger than it really is. That’s the way they “win”.
No, he just saw me and started shouting. There’s been too much hate being spread online recently, and it isn’t surprising some of it has found its way into the real world.
I’m sorry you went through that sounds awful. If they are yelling like that I suspect they also have mental issues or are just deranged. Not that it excuses it.
Hope better days are ahead for all !
I literally *have been* physically assaulted, tried getting help from a nearby store and they said all they could do was to call some community center to "check in" on him. No punishment, just make sure he's not dangerously on drugs.
Went to complain online and got hit with, I kid you not, "someone in the mental state to get physical with someone unprovoked deserves the compassion" yeah now about no.
Incidentally, anyone know how much legal trouble someone can get for physically retaliating to harassment? Asking for a friend.
Shoutout to all the people on Reddit who want to blame Indian immigrants for all their problems while corrupt governments and greedy corporations steal all their money.
I’ve encountered this type of behaviour before and honestly it has nothing to do with you personally and more to do with the anger and frustration people are feeling in general and projecting their own insecurities on to others. People need someone to blame for their problems and unfortunately they direct it at innocent bystanders.
Racism isn’t logical or rational. Neither are emotional outbursts. Sometimes the two get conflated.
This - during Covid the target was Chinese people, but racists can’t differentiate so basically all East Asians got caught in the crossfire. It’s unfortunate that visible minorities are always the punching bag to society’s frustrations.
Happened to me. I was born in Hamilton but because I look as though I am from elsewhere it was enough to label me as the other. I don’t think people realize how disheartening it is for people who are Canadian but happen to look different be treated as invaders and as the enemy. I am facing the same frustrations as everyone else because I am a citizen regardless of what I look like. I wish people could see that.
don't justify racism as a mental health issue. What OP faced was blatant racism and as other comments confirmed has been happening regularly and should be dealt with.
racism is accepted in canada if you're an new immigrant whose also Indian. even Canadians who grew up here are racist towards them. its basically an open secret at this point. and its not just aimed at the "scamming international students" either, i know working professionals who get harassed for no reason other than where theyre from.
yup, that is what i meant.
and the problem is with people taking out their frustration with their wrong tim horotons order/scam call or whatever else r/ canada is mad about today on every other Indian just because they looked the same. maybe you don't do it, but this is a common experience
Everybody seems to want to find out if it's mental illness (because the attacker is white) lol. If this was an Indian, uttering just about anything or god forbid follow you, they would be blaming an entire group of people and telling you it's not racist and just a fact.
I have been saying this since long time but it always goes under radar. Racism against South Asian is at all time high, very normalised and not addressed. Mind you, these are the same people who talk about BLM passionately or Asian hate and are the first ones to quickly jump on the bandwagon to make fun of Indians..they don’t know that’s hypocrisy and being racist..it’s weird when u see people of other races facing racism, people r quick to support but when it’s against Indians people will jump on the ship n add insult to an injury by making more fun..ig reels comments n 6ixbuzz are prime examples..but as Marcus Aurelius said the best revenge is to not be like them..
I'm sorry this happened to you. On Front St, that would be one of the chronic homeless addicts yelling at you. I've seen some yell at Chinese telling them to go back to China. They pick up anything in the media and repeat.
Try not to take it personally - this is an unhinged person who just got paid last night so they are either high or drunk (welfare-Ontario Works or Ontario Disability Support).
This is not about the temporary homeless who are down on their luck and trying. This one is part of the chronic homeless where it's a lifestyle of handouts. For years, sometimes decades. It likely started as mental health struggles but today it's about addiction.
The police will not act until they commit a crime. That's because our laws can't get them off the streets for yelling at someone. We got rid of institutions in the 1970s. Some countries are bringing them back to force rehab, mental health help, medical help and advice to get a job. Whomever you called is well aware that this is a homeless addict.
What happened to you was bullshit. The best part of our collective Canadian identity is tolerance, but under no means should we extend that sympathy to those who are intolerant themselves. And we have tolerated the worst sort of behaviours in recent years; for every monster who’s behaviour is “excused” because of trauma or systemic something or other, you’ll find another, in the same circumstances, who does not use their circumstances as an excuse to be a piece of shit to others. You belong here, and may this garbage experience serve you somehow by sharing it. We are all from somewhere else ultimately, if you go back far enough. Basically: fuck that guy. Sending you warm regards, from one Canadian to another.
Sorry that happened to you. After an ISIS terrorist attack a few years ago a homeless man in Yorkville started shouting TERRORIST BOMBER at me and getting uncomfortably close to my face. It was jarring at first, but I managed to calm things down by offering to buy him dinner.
I'm south asian, and have been called a PAKI three times in my life, once in grade school (forgiveable childhood idiots), this time in Yorkville (mental health issues) and once in a small town grocery store. Needless to say I do my groceries before leaving town now.
Try not to let those rare occassions get to you, there are so many more that are good. You are valued and welcome, despite whatever shitshow comes when Pierre is elected.
I wouldn’t take it personally. Sounds more like a mental illness than malicious racism. Happens to asians, muslims, jews, blacks - so you’re not alone.
Sorry you had to experience this. But Canada was built on extreme anti-Indigenous racism. So no, it wasn’t “better a few years ago”, it was probably worse for everyone who typically experiences it.
First time facing racial abuse, especially by someone who didn’t feel out of their mind. If this person had the ability to follow me and keep their distance, I don’t think they were completely off their rocks.
I have heard of this happening to others. It's pathetic. Canada can be pretty racist. I'm sorry you were harassed like that. You could call the police and report it.
Stuff like this has happened to me a few times every 10-15 years. 99% of the time in my adult years it IS from some mentally ill homeless guy (or woman). Best to just ignore them, don't make eye contact or engage them.
I would still say I've faced more overt displays of racism when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s than I have as an adult. I was born in Canada and have lived here my whole life btw.
Can we please stop using mental health issues as an excuse or reason for racism?
I've been dealing with a lot of mental & physical problems for years, and even at my lowest point I've never hated someone due to the colour of their skin.
You're either racist or you're not, your mental & physical health, financial status, gender, sexuality etc., has zero bearing on that.
Perhaps suffering from mental illness might make one more vocal, but it doesn't mean that they will miraculously stop being xenophobic as soon as they're no longer suffering from their ailment.
We don’t know but I think too many of us jump to that conclusion when in reality there are a lot of virulent racists in this city and country and always have been. They just get more exposed now thanks to camera phones and social media. But it’s wrong to always just assume mental illness when the truth is some people just fucking suck.
I’m so sorry this happened to you OP. It’s unacceptable behaviour, it’s shameful that no one interceded and that the pork chop patrol weren’t helpful. Someone screaming abuses and threats at you is not speech protected by the charter and, unsurprisingly, the cops just played ignorant to avoid doing any actual work.
Yeah but I think most racists do their thing logically, they have enough self control to not scream after people on the street. Clearly there is an impulse control problem
Jesus ok, what I mean is most of them do things like hire or rent to people of their preferred race, they don’t run around chasing people on the street unless there’s something else wrong with them
Yeah I agree with you about the “quiet” racists but open bigotry is being increasingly normalized and is not automatically a sign of mental illness. Just mental shittyness.
OP didn’t come out and say this was a tweaked out addict going through an off meds episode. But they also didn’t say it wasn’t. We don’t know but to jump to mental illness ever.single.time something happens in this city is like some sort of copium: we aren’t bad it’s just the crazies! No, canada has long tried to hide its ugly underbelly but it’s right there for anyone to see. I mean the presumptive pm in waiting is openly meeting with white supremacists and radical right wing groups like diagolon and he’s surging in the polls.
We have a real problem in this country and we can’t just blame it all on the mentally ill.
Yeah I know we don’t have the first amendment in Canada, but I didn’t want to start an argument about this.
It feels pretty stupid to wait until someone gets hurt before taking action.
The only time I’ve heard people scream such awful things out loud is by individuals with serious mental health issues, largely living on the streets. Terrible to hear.
I have never actually faced overt racism before, and I've lived in Toronto for all 22 years of my life. I've never had an interaction with a racist, never had racial slurs thrown at me, and as far as I can tell, I haven't been discriminated again.
That is going to change, and change quickly.
How awful. I’m sorry this happened to you. It used to be just the mentally ill but now it seems every scumbag who used to keep this shit to themselves is emboldened to harass people. What the hell happened to society?
This is infuriating on so many levels but I think what's the most shocking is that the people who are supposed to enforce the law have no clue about it.
Sounds like mental illness. Was the person homeless looking? Or an addict? There are many very mentally ill people walking our streets shouting, yelling, cursing at lamp posts, pigeons, etc… some screaming profanity, racism, death threats at any random passerby.
I pass by it and hear it at least a few times a week downtown. It’s happened to me countless times. You can’t take any of it personally, I don’t even know if you can consider it racism, it’s almost like Tourette’s. These people are completely detached from reality. Hopefully this was the case, because if it was someone of sound mind saying that shit, that is fucked up.
This is racist, but it is not a threat, so in this case no one can really do anything about this
It's unfortunate, but not rare
I had a patient today who was crying in front of one of my nurses, because he had to quit his job, because his coworkers were being cruel to him, because of racism
It's sad, it does happen, and some people are just like this
Keep your head up, remember all the people who are kind to you, and stay around them, and tuck this episode far away in the back of your mind, not necessarily forget it, but don't think about it too much
Well, the upset patient of yours can still seek justice, because that’s at least a workplace human rights violation and might even qualify as constructive dismissal.
As is too often the case, some people conflate anger at a government/leader with anger towards a country's people (or in this case, of those who share the same ancestry).
I hope these situations become much more rare and wish you the best
That’s a shame it happened to you. While most Torontonians are accepting of different cultures, there remain jerks and low lifes who feel they have to strike back at immigrants to empower themselves.
Know that most of us are on your side.
Something to remember is that Canada doesn’t have a freedom of speech law. People are not free to spew anything they want. It’s a detail of Canada vs US laws that most people including cops don’t understand. The moment you feel threatened you have every right to call police and they must intervene. The moment he told you to die and followed you it was in your right to have the police called. If they ask what you expect them to do well. Their job. Talk to the instigator get their information and have them leave the area.
What the hell are you talking about? Section 2(b) of the Charter explicitly enshrines freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression. Speech = expression.
Sorry you had to face this.
Too many ignorant people out there.
Just remember you have as much a right to be here as they do - unless they're First Nations, they're immigrants too - they just happened to show up earlier than you.
The cops here are a joke. If I were you, I would tip a liberal news site about this. They would love to hear about cops not doing anything to help anyone.
I am not angry, I just feel sad. This increasingly feels like a place where I’m not welcome, despite being just a regular dude who keeps his head down, follows the rules and pays his taxes.
Where am I supposed to “go back to”, this is my home.
Same here. I do everything to avoid confrontation and blend in and I've probably dealt with racism 3 times in my life prior to last summer.
Since then I've had slurs hurled at me just leaving home (a drunk sitting on the sidewalk); slurs while getting groceries; been threatened while going to pick up medicine; been chased through a park; and more.
Relatives now tell me to stay safe everytime I leave home.
I've never been less hopeful for my future
I am sorry for what you have experienced my friend. Until today I had only heard about such things from acquaintances, experiencing it first hand hits way harder than I could have imagined.
I don’t want to start a family here now, I can’t imagine how brutal it would be for kids to go through this.
Right?!? Unless that person was a First Nations, they’re an immigrant too. The ignorance of people is astounding, and I’m sorry you had to experience that.
It doesn’t really matter why the person doing something shitty to you is doing it; it’s still affects you the same.
One time I was trapped on stopped train with a crazy drunk guy screaming and pointing at individual women calling us all useless cunts.
Didn’t really matter to me he was crazy; still don’t care for being called a useless cunt on my way to brunch.
While I have witnessed racism here in Canada directed at others, I think that in addition to this particular anecdote being racist and disturbing, it is also an example of mental health issues not being addressed.
well you've discovered why people aren't happy about the police in most of the world, as that's a very common interaction ("just clarifying facts" while they ask you to verbally detail whatever horrible thing was said or done)
so sorry you experienced the worst of people, what a fucking loser to do that to someone else
doesn't matter the reason or excuse, the way it leaves you feeling is clearly trash and that's why this sucks
yeah i hope we have a return to normalcy whatever that means
Meh, sadly you'll get used to it and you'll just shrug your shoulders and go about your business.
As a visible minority, I've been asked to leave bars, restaurants etc... whatever, you cant help stupid and ignorance.
If you get worked up, you let them win
Yeah I wouldn't worry too much about the yelling racism by mentally ill people on the street. It's the normal talking racism by level headed people that will get to you the most.
Person is clearly mentally sick. Their mind isn’t right and there’s nothing you can really do. It’s upsetting and uncomfortable but just walk away and move on. If it escalates to a physical altercation and you feel threatened then self defence would be more warranted. When dealing with someone with a mental illness it best to just ignore and walk away.
That guy hangs out at Roundhouse park and shouts racial slurs all night. Could hear him screaming at 3 a couple nights ago
I was taking my nieces home after seeing Six: The Musical and encountered this dude. Hard to explain to 2 small town 11 year olds. Mental illness is a terrible thing, I hav bipolar disoder myself, but it's really sad that there's no one to help this clearly very disturbed individual. I have empathy for him, but seriously dude shut the fuck up.
It's going to get worse because of this hands off approach to mental health treatment for people going through a mental health crisis. It's an austerity measure that's packaged as the "more humane" method when that couldnt be further from the truth. When a person is so far gone that they are incapable of seeking treament of their own accord the humane thing to do is make treatment obligatory.
I agree completely, the best thing that ever happened to me was my parents having me involuntarily confined in a psychiatric hospital. If they hadn't i dont exaggerate when I say I'd probably be dead. I'm doing much better these days.
Just wanted to chime in to say it is great to hear that you are doing much better even though never met you and probably never will. Gives hope for others on here who may be facing similar issues too
Wow the fact that both of you know exactly who this guy is right away means he's been doing it for so long he's notorious for it. And yet law enforcement has not dealt with him made the situation even sadder.
This is not a police issue. It’s a decision we made, through our elected officials, 40 years ago when we threw people like this into the street without support. The idea of community living was corrupted and adopted by right wing politicians as an excuse to remove support for people with needs, to not solve systemic issues with group homes, and to spend money on God knows what.
It’s because the society is designed to remain complicit in addressing racism, so that doesn’t surprise me.
How was the show?
I had a guy throwing rocks at my car yelling things at me in this area - wonder if it’s the same person 🫢
Whomever told you that people have "freedom of speech" is vehemently incorrect. We don't have "freedom of speech" in Canada. We have "freedom of expression" and it doesn't cover hate speech. We do, however, have a whole slew of anti-hate laws.
Say it louder for the bigots in the back👏🏻👏🏻
I see it more and more on the streets.
Guy told you to die and the cop was talking about freedom of speech? I mean have a whole section about hate speech, but if you're feeling threatened that's not freedom of speech. Cop was an asshole and I'm sorry you had to deal with this.
Some guy followed me for a block and threatened to kill, rape, etc me, I went into a store and they locked the door. He yelled a bit and yanked the door then left. I called police and they were like well obviously he didn’t kill you. That was it.
This is honestly what I found extremely shocking as well. Are we waiting for someone to get murdered before any action is taken? Do everyday people not have the right to go about their lives in this city without fearing for their lives?
Cops don't prevent crime, they respond to it .
\*respond to it sometimes
Touche
See you must be really new to Canada… Cops don’t give a fuck about helping you, and if you’re not white, expect to get fucked over in every police interaction. So do your best to avoid them.
I’m white and I’ve been fucked over with every interaction with Toronto police.
I see why they told car owner to leave their keys for the unwelcome guest
Yep. Absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist in Canada. We have hate speech laws.
Uttering threat is very specific. It has to be like, "I will harm/kill you" Telling someone to die is vague. Unless he said, I will make sure you die" then we have a threat
From OP's story, I think Criminal Code 264.1 (c) applies. The police should have taken action because a crime was committed, however ever since Covid-19, the police has been turning a blind eye on many crimes. [https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-264.1.html](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-264.1.html) > [**264.1**]() (1) Every one commits an offence who, in any manner, knowingly utters, conveys or causes any person to receive a threat >Marginal note:Punishment(2) Every one who commits an offence under paragraph (1)(a) is guilty of
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And yet if a cop is threatened at an LCBO, it's game on for a high speed chase through the city cumulating in multiple fatalities.
You mean when the suspect pulled a knife on the person?
Again let me stress that what happened to op was terrible, but based on ops own words no threat was ever made. And are we really going to try and downplay the fact that a violent criminal pulled out a knife on a member of society during the commission of a crime? Let’s also not forget that the same violent criminal chose to drive the wrong way during a high speed chase that he started. Absolutely the cops should have called it off but the main responsibility falls on the ass hat who broke the law.
“Cops should drive like they’re in GTA whenever they feel like” - you No one was hurt, until the off duty idiot with a badge started playing irl cops and robbers
Uhhh armed robbery is serious regardless of whether anyone is physically injured. I got robbed working at a gas station and it was hands down one of the worst things that’s ever happened to me. I couldn’t work with the public and had nightmares for months.
More like the cop was a cop. The asshole is implied
In know way do I condone this behaviour but don’t get morally wrong with legally wrong.
A similar situation happened to me back in 2007. A guy high on hard drugs asked me for a cigarette. I don’t smoke, so I told him sorry I don’t smoke. That set him off and he followed me up my street yelling racial slurs at me and threatening to fuck me up. I called non emergency police line and they told me to just keep walking and they can’t send anyone for this now. I didn’t want to go inside my house because I didn’t want this guy knowing where I lived and I was living with my parents at that time and didn’t want to bring them any trouble. The crazy guy got in front of me and spit in my face. I had enough and knocked his ass out! It looked like he was dead. I was worried that someone was going to call the cops on me now, so I didn’t stick around to find out. Fast forward a couple weeks later, I was in line to checkout at FutureShop. The same man joins the lineup behind me lol. I turned around and stared at him, he was sober and had no clue I was the guy that knocked him out. He genuinely didn’t recognize me as I was just another random stranger to him in the store.
I don't want to detract from your story but ... shit, I can't remember the last time I was in a FutureShop. What a time to be alive!
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Bravo!! That’s the best way to deal with a cracked out racist. You did him a huge favour. You did us a huge favour too
Damn, that's a sadly good story because it proves that many times yes, there is some sort of 'excuse' for someone's inexcusable behavior And look how it impacted you, basically an unforgettable experience. That sucks a lot. Disgusting to be spat on, and in your face at that, enraging. I know people who have been spit on and had slurs yelled after not giving money to someone, but they definitely weren't people who could fight back sadly, not that anyone should have to. Guy got what he deserved, glad he didn't actually die and you didn't get unfairly punished for defending yourself And yeah if a cop got spat on, a true slam/restraint and charges would follow obviously
Ure lucky there was no cop watching you punch him or else u could’ve been charged with assault. That’s just the reality we’re living in rn unfortunately. We have crappy self defense laws here in Canada. Next time just make a run for it(I hope u never end up in a situation like this ever again tho🤞🤞),but if u do not engage.
I'm pretty sure Canada has carve outs for hate and harassment in our freedom of speech laws and having hateful shit thrown at you in public is not covered by freedom of speech
It's very specifically not covered under our Freedom of Expression laws. This is harassment.
That's not a "carve out," it's an entirely different thing entirely. "Freedom of speech" refers to political speech and sentiment lol. In this case, you're not punishing someone for being racist, which would be an affront to free society no matter how Pierre Trudeau chose to define that in 1982. He's fully within his rights to say racist things, to publish them, to advocate them, etc. He's harassing him by the act of following him around and screaming at him and being a public nuisance. The content of his screams is more or less irrelevant. Basically any time anyone talks about a "carve out" or "limit" or "exception" to free speech, they're confusing what "speech" means in this context. It's obviously not "speech" to order a hit on someone, even if the action consists of saying words.
For something to be considered hate speech under our laws, the speaker needs to be advocating for violence against a group. Maybe the person who harassed OP included racist calls for violence, but nothing in the post directly says that type of abuse was included. This definitely sounds like harassment. But I don't think there's much that can be done once the perpetrator stops harassing people and it's no longer an active issue.
Our hate speech laws aren't that strict, nor should they be. Simple racism isn't going to get anyone charge with a crime.
Problem is there’s a 50/50 shot it’s a cop or cops relative
Lmao
I’m Indian and also faced racism recently unfortunately I work as a bank teller for one of the big 5 banks. A customer racially harassed me and said “you stupid Indian” and said “I hate all you Indians.” The thing is she was also a person of colour and had a thick accent. Plus I’m Canadian born, racists don’t opt out Canadian born people. My manager said the bank wouldn’t cut ties with her so its a sign I need to leave this job and fuck this company for not even taking racial harassment seriously
You get verbally abused and workplace just shrugs, fucking typical. Your workplace should have acted on this and they have [a duty to protect you from shit like this.](https://www.ihsa.ca/topics_hazards/workplace_violence_harassment.aspx#:~:text=Bill%20168%20%2D%20Workplace%20Violence%20and%20Harassment&text=This%20legislation%20is%20meant%20to,construction%20and%20utility%20industry%20employers)
That really sucks. I worked at a bank that had zero tolerance for any employee abuse. It didn't matter who the customer was. We were very swift to exit clients.
Definitely leave the job. Imagine verbally abusing someone who just helped you with your finances 🤭
Make sure it's documented and try to get severance. Forget the big and r/legaladvicecanada can comment more but harassment on the job isn't taken lightly and almost forced you to leave? Maybe I'm misspoken
I’m SO incredibly sorry to hear about your experience… I’m a white guy in his 50s, so I can never experience what you went through myself, but my wife is Indian, and was born here… and I know her childhood had plenty of moments like that… and that shit fills me with anger and sadness. From what I’ve seen, through watching our children grow up, it’s much less of an issue it seems with their generation… it’s so multicultural here now, that in their high school, white kids were the minority… most of their friends are either south Asian or mixed like they are… so dealing with crap like that doesn’t seem to be as much of a thing for them thankfully…. With the recent influx of new comers to Canada, mainly South Asian, I think what you went through might be sadly more common in the near term… I know in my hometown of Peterborough, when I grew up there it was pretty much the whitest place on earth… but on recent visits, you can plainly see that many MANY Indians and other south Asian folks have either settled there or are in college there… which has drastically changed the town in many ways… Now.. for me? I absolutely love it… to me it means diversity, more culture, and new interesting people to get to know… Others see drastically increased rent costs, and difficulties in finding employment… I think the next few years will be rough for a lot of folks… folks that are finding it difficult now will be looking for someone to blame… and bigots and racist folks generally start with anyone that looks different from themselves… But. I personally like to think that MOST folks just want to get along and I have faith that things will generally get better over time… Once again, very sorry you had to go through that … For what it’s worth, my mom who is 80 now, knits Afghan comforters for newcomer families, and thinks all the new Indian people in our hometown is the best thing ever :) she’s made all kinds of new friends, and can’t wait to tell them all about her Indian daughter in law, her half Indian grandchildren, and to share a few words of Malayalam that she knows lol :)
Thanks for being like this.
Similar situation happened to me at Laissez Faire on King W. We were in line waiting to get in and the bouncer didn’t let us in when it was our turn, skipped us and took in the next group. Mind you they didn’t know each other or anything. Checked the reviews and there were a lot of PoCs complaining about how they leave PoCs out when allowing people in.
What you faced is not acceptable and I’m sorry to hear this happened. The person is probably mentally ill or unstable to act like that. Doesn’t make it right but I hope you don’t think we’re all like that.
The hate right now is pretty apparent and in abundance on the Internet right now too..everytime u look at one of 6ixbuzz post or any ig reels that has anything to do with Indians, the comments r always negative and racists like “it must smell crazy there” “deport” “curry munchers “ ..I don’t think everyone of them r mentally ill
Sorry that happened to you.
This comment section gives me hope that there are a lot of good people in the world. I hope it gives you hope too. And to make up for the shit he said - I hope you DONT die for a VERY long time. I hope you live a VERY LONG AND HEALTHY LIFE full of LOVE PROSPERITY AND SUCCESS❤️ don’t worry - I cancelled out his hate and replaced it with the opposite. You’re amazing. This is your home. Regards, a fellow Indian (immigrant).
We saw a lady on a bike, looking back and saying things like - “you should be stabbed” to well dressed 3 Indian guys minding their own business walking by the waterfront near Sugar Beach. As a pregnant lady, I was super scared for them and myself because the lady really seemed very weird to shout at folks easily 10-15 feet away from you and talk about stabbing.
It’s more common than you think. There are lot’s of Indians who ignore, don’t post anywhere and go about their way about racist incidents.
Nothing happened leading up to this? Mental illness and social media are a potent cocktail that will ruin civilized society if we’re not careful
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That is so absolutely ridiculous, and I’m sorry that happened to you. Usually all you can do in a case like that is to not absorb any of it and understand that the vast majority of people do not feel that way at all. Their hate is designed for you to start believing that it’s something much bigger than it really is. That’s the way they “win”.
As a POC the majority of racism I've experienced or seen has been done by other POCs lol.
its almost like POC can also be racist.. nahh
Also, very sorry that happened to you,
No, he just saw me and started shouting. There’s been too much hate being spread online recently, and it isn’t surprising some of it has found its way into the real world.
I’m very very sorry this happened to you. Whoever that was, is just a piece of shit asshole - they do not represent what makes us Canadians.
I’m sorry you went through that sounds awful. If they are yelling like that I suspect they also have mental issues or are just deranged. Not that it excuses it. Hope better days are ahead for all !
I literally *have been* physically assaulted, tried getting help from a nearby store and they said all they could do was to call some community center to "check in" on him. No punishment, just make sure he's not dangerously on drugs. Went to complain online and got hit with, I kid you not, "someone in the mental state to get physical with someone unprovoked deserves the compassion" yeah now about no. Incidentally, anyone know how much legal trouble someone can get for physically retaliating to harassment? Asking for a friend.
In canada we don't have freedom of speech but freedom of expression which is very different and slurs are not protected
Shoutout to all the people on Reddit who want to blame Indian immigrants for all their problems while corrupt governments and greedy corporations steal all their money.
I’ve encountered this type of behaviour before and honestly it has nothing to do with you personally and more to do with the anger and frustration people are feeling in general and projecting their own insecurities on to others. People need someone to blame for their problems and unfortunately they direct it at innocent bystanders. Racism isn’t logical or rational. Neither are emotional outbursts. Sometimes the two get conflated.
This - during Covid the target was Chinese people, but racists can’t differentiate so basically all East Asians got caught in the crossfire. It’s unfortunate that visible minorities are always the punching bag to society’s frustrations.
Happened to me. I was born in Hamilton but because I look as though I am from elsewhere it was enough to label me as the other. I don’t think people realize how disheartening it is for people who are Canadian but happen to look different be treated as invaders and as the enemy. I am facing the same frustrations as everyone else because I am a citizen regardless of what I look like. I wish people could see that.
I’m sorry this happened to you. Sometimes I have a hard time recognizing what this city is becoming.
don't justify racism as a mental health issue. What OP faced was blatant racism and as other comments confirmed has been happening regularly and should be dealt with.
racism is accepted in canada if you're an new immigrant whose also Indian. even Canadians who grew up here are racist towards them. its basically an open secret at this point. and its not just aimed at the "scamming international students" either, i know working professionals who get harassed for no reason other than where theyre from.
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yup, that is what i meant. and the problem is with people taking out their frustration with their wrong tim horotons order/scam call or whatever else r/ canada is mad about today on every other Indian just because they looked the same. maybe you don't do it, but this is a common experience
Freedom of speech does *not* include hate speech.
Everybody seems to want to find out if it's mental illness (because the attacker is white) lol. If this was an Indian, uttering just about anything or god forbid follow you, they would be blaming an entire group of people and telling you it's not racist and just a fact.
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It's a a sad thing hatred of anyone is still a thing
I have been saying this since long time but it always goes under radar. Racism against South Asian is at all time high, very normalised and not addressed. Mind you, these are the same people who talk about BLM passionately or Asian hate and are the first ones to quickly jump on the bandwagon to make fun of Indians..they don’t know that’s hypocrisy and being racist..it’s weird when u see people of other races facing racism, people r quick to support but when it’s against Indians people will jump on the ship n add insult to an injury by making more fun..ig reels comments n 6ixbuzz are prime examples..but as Marcus Aurelius said the best revenge is to not be like them..
I'm sorry this happened to you. On Front St, that would be one of the chronic homeless addicts yelling at you. I've seen some yell at Chinese telling them to go back to China. They pick up anything in the media and repeat. Try not to take it personally - this is an unhinged person who just got paid last night so they are either high or drunk (welfare-Ontario Works or Ontario Disability Support). This is not about the temporary homeless who are down on their luck and trying. This one is part of the chronic homeless where it's a lifestyle of handouts. For years, sometimes decades. It likely started as mental health struggles but today it's about addiction. The police will not act until they commit a crime. That's because our laws can't get them off the streets for yelling at someone. We got rid of institutions in the 1970s. Some countries are bringing them back to force rehab, mental health help, medical help and advice to get a job. Whomever you called is well aware that this is a homeless addict.
Man I’m sorry that happened to you that’s brutal, remember that these assholes are cowards and absolutely the minority
That’s vile. I hope you report this, I’m sorry it happened to you.
I’m sorry to hear you experienced that
Buddy was probably a wack job I would not put too much thought into it you should have decked him
What happened to you was bullshit. The best part of our collective Canadian identity is tolerance, but under no means should we extend that sympathy to those who are intolerant themselves. And we have tolerated the worst sort of behaviours in recent years; for every monster who’s behaviour is “excused” because of trauma or systemic something or other, you’ll find another, in the same circumstances, who does not use their circumstances as an excuse to be a piece of shit to others. You belong here, and may this garbage experience serve you somehow by sharing it. We are all from somewhere else ultimately, if you go back far enough. Basically: fuck that guy. Sending you warm regards, from one Canadian to another.
Sorry that happened to you. After an ISIS terrorist attack a few years ago a homeless man in Yorkville started shouting TERRORIST BOMBER at me and getting uncomfortably close to my face. It was jarring at first, but I managed to calm things down by offering to buy him dinner. I'm south asian, and have been called a PAKI three times in my life, once in grade school (forgiveable childhood idiots), this time in Yorkville (mental health issues) and once in a small town grocery store. Needless to say I do my groceries before leaving town now. Try not to let those rare occassions get to you, there are so many more that are good. You are valued and welcome, despite whatever shitshow comes when Pierre is elected.
I wouldn’t take it personally. Sounds more like a mental illness than malicious racism. Happens to asians, muslims, jews, blacks - so you’re not alone.
Plenty of people are mentally ill without being racist. Mental illness or not, this is malicious racism.
Sorry you had to experience this. But Canada was built on extreme anti-Indigenous racism. So no, it wasn’t “better a few years ago”, it was probably worse for everyone who typically experiences it.
The first time a crazy person has yelled wacky stuff at you ?
First time facing racial abuse, especially by someone who didn’t feel out of their mind. If this person had the ability to follow me and keep their distance, I don’t think they were completely off their rocks.
You'd be surprised. Some of them like to follow especially if youre the unfortunate target. I'm just amazed that this is the first time. Sorry.
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I have heard of this happening to others. It's pathetic. Canada can be pretty racist. I'm sorry you were harassed like that. You could call the police and report it.
Stuff like this has happened to me a few times every 10-15 years. 99% of the time in my adult years it IS from some mentally ill homeless guy (or woman). Best to just ignore them, don't make eye contact or engage them. I would still say I've faced more overt displays of racism when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s than I have as an adult. I was born in Canada and have lived here my whole life btw.
Was the person mentally ill?
Most likely
Can we please stop using mental health issues as an excuse or reason for racism? I've been dealing with a lot of mental & physical problems for years, and even at my lowest point I've never hated someone due to the colour of their skin. You're either racist or you're not, your mental & physical health, financial status, gender, sexuality etc., has zero bearing on that. Perhaps suffering from mental illness might make one more vocal, but it doesn't mean that they will miraculously stop being xenophobic as soon as they're no longer suffering from their ailment.
We don’t know but I think too many of us jump to that conclusion when in reality there are a lot of virulent racists in this city and country and always have been. They just get more exposed now thanks to camera phones and social media. But it’s wrong to always just assume mental illness when the truth is some people just fucking suck. I’m so sorry this happened to you OP. It’s unacceptable behaviour, it’s shameful that no one interceded and that the pork chop patrol weren’t helpful. Someone screaming abuses and threats at you is not speech protected by the charter and, unsurprisingly, the cops just played ignorant to avoid doing any actual work.
Yeah but I think most racists do their thing logically, they have enough self control to not scream after people on the street. Clearly there is an impulse control problem
Racists are not people making logical, well reasoned arguments. There is nothing logical about racism.
Jesus ok, what I mean is most of them do things like hire or rent to people of their preferred race, they don’t run around chasing people on the street unless there’s something else wrong with them
Yeah I agree with you about the “quiet” racists but open bigotry is being increasingly normalized and is not automatically a sign of mental illness. Just mental shittyness. OP didn’t come out and say this was a tweaked out addict going through an off meds episode. But they also didn’t say it wasn’t. We don’t know but to jump to mental illness ever.single.time something happens in this city is like some sort of copium: we aren’t bad it’s just the crazies! No, canada has long tried to hide its ugly underbelly but it’s right there for anyone to see. I mean the presumptive pm in waiting is openly meeting with white supremacists and radical right wing groups like diagolon and he’s surging in the polls. We have a real problem in this country and we can’t just blame it all on the mentally ill.
Yeah I know we don’t have the first amendment in Canada, but I didn’t want to start an argument about this. It feels pretty stupid to wait until someone gets hurt before taking action.
You’re wise not to get into an argument with the cops. You do not want to be in their cross hairs. And you’re right, it is stupid.
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The only time I’ve heard people scream such awful things out loud is by individuals with serious mental health issues, largely living on the streets. Terrible to hear.
I have never actually faced overt racism before, and I've lived in Toronto for all 22 years of my life. I've never had an interaction with a racist, never had racial slurs thrown at me, and as far as I can tell, I haven't been discriminated again. That is going to change, and change quickly.
How awful. I’m sorry this happened to you. It used to be just the mentally ill but now it seems every scumbag who used to keep this shit to themselves is emboldened to harass people. What the hell happened to society?
Trump. He emboldened all of the sexist, racist, xenophobia garbage to crawl out of their holes.
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Was this someone who was clearly mentally ill, or an average tax paying citizen of sound mind?
This is infuriating on so many levels but I think what's the most shocking is that the people who are supposed to enforce the law have no clue about it.
Sounds like mental illness. Was the person homeless looking? Or an addict? There are many very mentally ill people walking our streets shouting, yelling, cursing at lamp posts, pigeons, etc… some screaming profanity, racism, death threats at any random passerby. I pass by it and hear it at least a few times a week downtown. It’s happened to me countless times. You can’t take any of it personally, I don’t even know if you can consider it racism, it’s almost like Tourette’s. These people are completely detached from reality. Hopefully this was the case, because if it was someone of sound mind saying that shit, that is fucked up.
I’m truly sorry to hear that there are still such ignorant people out there. I wish there was something I could say that would help.
This is racist, but it is not a threat, so in this case no one can really do anything about this It's unfortunate, but not rare I had a patient today who was crying in front of one of my nurses, because he had to quit his job, because his coworkers were being cruel to him, because of racism It's sad, it does happen, and some people are just like this Keep your head up, remember all the people who are kind to you, and stay around them, and tuck this episode far away in the back of your mind, not necessarily forget it, but don't think about it too much
Well, the upset patient of yours can still seek justice, because that’s at least a workplace human rights violation and might even qualify as constructive dismissal.
Whether or not it is or isn't is not relevant unfortunately, what's relevant is proving it, and that is not easy
You should have given that guy your car keys. /s
As is too often the case, some people conflate anger at a government/leader with anger towards a country's people (or in this case, of those who share the same ancestry). I hope these situations become much more rare and wish you the best
That’s a shame it happened to you. While most Torontonians are accepting of different cultures, there remain jerks and low lifes who feel they have to strike back at immigrants to empower themselves. Know that most of us are on your side.
I'm so sorry this happened.
Something to remember is that Canada doesn’t have a freedom of speech law. People are not free to spew anything they want. It’s a detail of Canada vs US laws that most people including cops don’t understand. The moment you feel threatened you have every right to call police and they must intervene. The moment he told you to die and followed you it was in your right to have the police called. If they ask what you expect them to do well. Their job. Talk to the instigator get their information and have them leave the area.
What the hell are you talking about? Section 2(b) of the Charter explicitly enshrines freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression. Speech = expression.
Sorry you had to face this. Too many ignorant people out there. Just remember you have as much a right to be here as they do - unless they're First Nations, they're immigrants too - they just happened to show up earlier than you.
The cops here are a joke. If I were you, I would tip a liberal news site about this. They would love to hear about cops not doing anything to help anyone.
Sorry for your experience. Unfortunately, there are a few a\*\*holes everywhere, in every country.
I’m sorry
I'm really sorry that happened. People suck sometimes.
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referring to immigrants as cockroaches tells me everything I need to know about you
I hope this comment isn’t deleted, it will serve as an important reminder to people who think racism doesn’t exist in Canada.
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This right here ! That’s the reason .
Sorry you experienced this. I hope the good makes up for the bad.
I am not angry, I just feel sad. This increasingly feels like a place where I’m not welcome, despite being just a regular dude who keeps his head down, follows the rules and pays his taxes. Where am I supposed to “go back to”, this is my home.
Same here. I do everything to avoid confrontation and blend in and I've probably dealt with racism 3 times in my life prior to last summer. Since then I've had slurs hurled at me just leaving home (a drunk sitting on the sidewalk); slurs while getting groceries; been threatened while going to pick up medicine; been chased through a park; and more. Relatives now tell me to stay safe everytime I leave home. I've never been less hopeful for my future
I am sorry for what you have experienced my friend. Until today I had only heard about such things from acquaintances, experiencing it first hand hits way harder than I could have imagined. I don’t want to start a family here now, I can’t imagine how brutal it would be for kids to go through this.
Right?!? Unless that person was a First Nations, they’re an immigrant too. The ignorance of people is astounding, and I’m sorry you had to experience that.
I feel like you faced schizophrenia and poverty more than you faced racism in this case
The three aren’t mutually exclusive.
It doesn’t really matter why the person doing something shitty to you is doing it; it’s still affects you the same. One time I was trapped on stopped train with a crazy drunk guy screaming and pointing at individual women calling us all useless cunts. Didn’t really matter to me he was crazy; still don’t care for being called a useless cunt on my way to brunch.
While I have witnessed racism here in Canada directed at others, I think that in addition to this particular anecdote being racist and disturbing, it is also an example of mental health issues not being addressed.
well you've discovered why people aren't happy about the police in most of the world, as that's a very common interaction ("just clarifying facts" while they ask you to verbally detail whatever horrible thing was said or done) so sorry you experienced the worst of people, what a fucking loser to do that to someone else doesn't matter the reason or excuse, the way it leaves you feeling is clearly trash and that's why this sucks yeah i hope we have a return to normalcy whatever that means
Well clearly the only thing cops in Canada are good for these days is killing infants while performing "heroic" cowboy car chases
Meh, sadly you'll get used to it and you'll just shrug your shoulders and go about your business. As a visible minority, I've been asked to leave bars, restaurants etc... whatever, you cant help stupid and ignorance. If you get worked up, you let them win
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Just a few years ago? Try 20-30 years ago
Yeah I wouldn't worry too much about the yelling racism by mentally ill people on the street. It's the normal talking racism by level headed people that will get to you the most.
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What do you care?
Police need to lock up that individual!!!!
Person is clearly mentally sick. Their mind isn’t right and there’s nothing you can really do. It’s upsetting and uncomfortable but just walk away and move on. If it escalates to a physical altercation and you feel threatened then self defence would be more warranted. When dealing with someone with a mental illness it best to just ignore and walk away.