A few of the opinion piece's key issues:
>The Ontario government requires municipalities to provide regular reports on the “state of good repair” of municipally owned public infrastructure. The most recent Toronto numbers were appalling. The city needs to spend $40 billion simply to fix the stuff it already has. Not one solitary cent of it would go to enhancing an existing service or establishing some new service.
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>That number, $40 billion, is awfully big. So is $14 billion, which is the amount Toronto has actually budgeted. Unfortunately, that leaves Toronto short $26 billion over the next decade. That’s the delta between what we have and what we need.
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>But I can’t help but dwell on the fact that, right until the moment the Calgary water main went kablooey, as far as the city knew, it was in a reasonably good state of repair. So, and I confess we’re thinking the dark thoughts here, how much of the infrastructure in Toronto and in other cities across the province and country is actually in much worse shape than we appreciate? What if it’s not $40 billion over the next decade just to hold the line in Toronto? What if it’s a lot more than that and a lot sooner than that and at a pretty unpredictable rate? What if stuff just starts breaking?
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>I hope it doesn’t. I’m not trying to be needlessly pessimistic. But all the evidence Toronto has is that we already own a lot of stuff that is in pretty bad condition. That’s why we need $40 billion now, to begin fixing it.
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>This is not a wonderful place to be. Some of the stuff that fails may fail in a way that directly affects quality of life. God forbid, it could fail in a way that threatens life itself.
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>We have painted ourselves into a real corner here. What happened in Calgary and at the science centre ought to be seen as relatively pain-free warning shots across our bow. It should spark a conversation about why we need to begin aggressively fixing our infrastructure, while also aggressively working to build the new, necessary infrastructure we’ve fallen behind in building.
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>I have a feeling it won’t spark that kind of dialogue, at least until something critical breaks in a spectacular way. But consider this my official invitation, to both our elected officials and the voting public at large, to prove me wrong.
For items such as critical infrastructure (and this includes critical municipal services), it's prudent to be proactive about both maintenance as well as regular and timely upgrades to these systems. Waiting until things deteriorate or break before starting to think about these issues is not only too late but also makes the entire task that much more difficult for those working on these issues. Preventative maintenance might seem like a frill, but without it we'll end up time and again with serious problems that we could have prevented.
We are great at CAPEX here. Someone builds a thing and cuts a ribbon. We can throw way more money than most other countries at new projects and pay way more for them than what everyone else does. We should not spend all this money, but we do. We are terrible at OPEX, to the point where whoever build a thing should be ashamed of the state of repair of our infrastructure.
Yeah because there is no political juice to be had in responsibly maintaining the things we’ve already bought and this is one reason large classes of govt projects are inherently doomed
Everyone who thinks massive public housing projects are the answer to the housing crisis needs to sit down with this report and really internalize what they’re suggesting
Many Toronto schools are in shockingly poor condition. Leaks like the ones in Humberwood are becoming more common since the school board has a fixed maintenance budget. The problem is, issues like leaks cost several magnitudes more to fix when they are ignored. The building maintenance auditors should be including a Fix Now and Fix Later price so the city can at least pull whatever funding is needed to address priority repairs instead of pursuing overpriced renaming projects.
Not since the 1990s. That's all on the Government of Ontario. What makes things worse for the TDSB is that they're *not* getting money from the province to fix up their schools *and* the province won't let them close schools to save money through consolidation.
This is probably what infuriates me the most about the maintenance backlog we're seeing from our social services, it's *all* self inflicted by short term minded politicians saving their own ass for the next election.
I've said this to my friends IRL but, the City of Toronto's maintenance backlog is so unbelievably bad that I'd say we have less than 10 years to get our shit in order before things start getting *very painful*.
I mean just look at the TTC. The neglect of its maintenance backlog has already gotten us to a point where the subway is horribly inefficient and slow due to all of the slow orders and the service as a whole is completely unreliable. This is all because of the deteriorating infrastructure which has *directly* led to 2 major service disruptions over the past few months (the Line 2 hydraulic fluid leak, the King/Church streetcar disruption). Mind you, we've seen these terrible service disruptions from a network of infrastructure which is generally *approaching* a state of poor condition but *hasn't reached that point yet.* If this is the "not that bad" state I really don't want to see what 10 years and fully deteriorated infrastructure will give us.
The decision makers in this province, but more importantly the voters, need to understand that our infrastructure is falling apart and painful decisions *must* be made in the near future to rectify this. What this means is higher taxes, but also much more taxation powers for the cities. The current system of property taxation does not work with all the responsibility municipalities have today.
This is why I won't complain about the street closures in the west end. PLEASE maintain the water main. PLEASE redo the streetcar tracks. PLEASE perform safety checks on Dufferin Bridge.
All of these fixes are communicated to the public in advance and it is extremely easy to look up estimated work dates for them. People have reroutable maps in their vehicles; they have information at their fingertips. It should not come out of left field for people travelling around the city if they plan their routes.
When this type of stuff legitimately hits the breaking point, _that's_ the real inconvenience. That's the type of stuff that people will have problems with. That's when the dominoes fall and parts of the city become unliveable.
And the worst thing is, I can type a sentence like that last one there, and the snark in response will be 'it's already unliveable.' Yeah. Sure. Cost of living. Hahaha. Good one. If the bubble _ever_ burst, nothing would be left to buy into because all of a sudden, your roads are shit, your water's intermittent, your power's flickering, and your city services don't exist.
Indeed! I try to not complain about the fact that infrastructure work is happening because it's essential. Sure, we can debate the length of time repairs take, how the construction is executed, and if there are ways to mitigate the negative effects of construction better, but the *importance* of this work is non-negotiable.
In many ways, if we provided proper funding towards our state of good repair obligations, the negative consequences of having construction could be better mitigated. Take for example Broadview Ave downtown. In 2021 the City replaced the deteriorating watermains along the road. However, due to lack of funding the City wasn't able to replace the deteriorating streetcar tracks at the same time. So, because of this, Broadview had to be closed once for the watermain and then the following year had to be closed again to fix the streetcar tracks. Had we properly funding both projects, they could have been executed in parallel, eliminating the need for multiple closures. This in turn mitigates delays for those travelling in the community by condensing it to a single period of time.
Unfortunately a lot of people don't realize the *value* infrastructure provides to them until it's gone.
I think we should name failed places after them. When a school's roof collapses and becomes abandoned we call it the "Weston Centre for Low Taxation Studies."
I'm for this.
We have a laundry list to get through - we need to start today to get through it.
Any suggestions for the Gardiner?
What about the run down parks?
This comment is so annoying. It’s a decade and a half of austerity not renaming one square that’s the problem. And before that provincial and federal downloading. We’re talking less than a million dollars, this isn’t some budget breaking expenditure. The more expensive full renaming of Dundas that has been pushed back was also passed under Tory, the austerity guy. So take from that what you will, it’s almost like it’s always been politics over need for them.
It's projects like renaming the square, a thousand times over that is the issue.
This is just the most blatant in-your-face waste of taxpayer dollars at a time when poverty is at an all time high.
Don't dismiss it, it is a ludicrous waste of money.
And Jesus fucking Christ, *this* comment is so annoying:
>We’re talking less than a million dollars, this isn’t some budget breaking expenditure.
How much is enough wastage for you? Just give me an amount that would make you happy.
Even if it's a single low dollar amount, how many nurses could it have hired, how many affordable apartments could it have fixed, how many schools could get refurbished?
None. Because we wasted it naming a fucking square.
And people who are probably financially illiterate dismiss it as being "less than a million dollars".
Pay my fucking share then.
There are so fucking many wasteful expenditures at each level of government in this country.
I'm fucking tired of it. More tired of people who pretend that it's okay when a full quarter of the country is living in poverty and we have millions of people using food banks and thousands homeless.
I'd prefer we focus on fixing Canada for everyone, not just a small subset of people who have too much time on their hands and socialize the cost of their pet projects.
Fuck. Even just putting portopotties at the encampments and converting useless greenish spaces into community vegetable gardens would have been a much better way of spending that money.
But no. We have human shit in the parks, people starving and a lame named square that helps no one.
I'm interested in what you said about converting greenish spaces to community gardens. What kind of green spaces do you have in mind? Because as far as I understand, community gardens as we have them are far too small to grow enough food to offset food costs, even for a single person. It seems to be a stretch to say that a better use of money is setting aside public green space for what amounts to a hobby. It's not a great use for the space either, given all the other uses that would cater to more of population than gardening enthusiasts.
To be fair we are spending (debatable if enough or not) on a lot of programs and initiatives to fight off poverty. Canada truly is a leader in that sense. The larger issue at hand is the distribution of wealth. For the benefit of both groups that gap needs to narrow.
Are we really though?
I see a lot of media announcements, not a lot of tangible action. Just talk talk talk committee talk talk consultant talk talk election talk talk. Rinse and repeat.
Meanwhile that gap widens daily.
I’m not dismissing shit. I’m saying it’s a drop in the bucket and the hole was created through an intentional decades long policy to starve the city of resources. That’s where the solution will be. Not cherry picking some barely relevant thing you’re fucking crying about to distract from the actual problem.
Youre talking cents per individual, send me the cheque. Im not in support of it either but if someone else paying it allows you to shut the fuck up and focus on the actual problem send it my way.
Buckets are filled one drop at a time, and dismissing drops is not the answer.
The anger comes from a situation where we are still saying yes to bullshit projects when the city is on fire
The city is on fire because it’s been starved for funding not because of a name change. As I said in another post on here, the ford’s built their political careers on supposed waste, finding efficiencies, gravy trains and were never able to show any significant mismanagement. Because it isn’t the problem. Wedge issue distraction, that’s all this is.
“I owe $100,000 in credit card debt but I will continue ordering uber eats every night because that’s just a drop in the bucket compared to what I owe. I’m broke because I just don’t have enough income, not because I ran up my credit card bill buying stupid shit”
It’s like you didn’t read anything I said. Much smarter people than you have tried to prove it’s a wasteful spending problem and have failed. Saying it in some useless analogy doesn’t change that fact.
Everyone who has ever worked with the city in any capacity knows there is an immense amount of waste that happens because there is zero accountability. Acting like if Rob Ford can’t find it then it doesn’t exist is hilarious to me, you have a lot of faith in a crackhead
It’s not millions of dollars. And we don’t piss money away. The fords struggled for years trying to prove the city wastes money and found very little non essential spending, a savings of 12.5 million. He did pay kpmg millions to come back with the answer he was full of shit and didn’t know what he was talking about though.
Paying a consulting firm to do a line by line review that finds nothing is a waste. Your point is that waste like that is the problem while that’s not what I’m saying.
The not maintaining assets is the austerity and funding problem im talking about, now you’re trying to move the goal posts to pretend that’s what you were originally saying.
Lol this is the result of rampant corruption. Even if we do get that $40B, how much of that will actually go into improving infrastructure?
Answer: not very much.
Well we have a side helping of fraudulence going on with that as well
Edit: you seem pretty salty about the whole thing. Guess what, you can't unring a bell. Ford got called out on the Greenbelt and is getting called out on this. The gravy train is on shaky tracks
Of course I’m salty - it’s a done deal and Chow is now planning to waste more resources we don’t have on punching this brick wall a bit more. It’s incredible how incompetent she is.
That’s right - name one thing she’s done or started from her campaign promises to make a “more affordable, safe and caring city, where everyone belongs?”
1) Build more affordable housing with the coty as the developer: failed - on hold because feds and provs won’t pay for it (as she said - it’s not enough). She’s basically said we’re broke even though we’ve tried nothing…
2) Transit - centred around Scarborough rapid transit line: failed - it’s a disaster with a bad rollout into 2027
3) mental health/community safety: failed - she’s basically given up on removing squatters from parks and removed the police power designed to clear them - a huge letdown for communities having their green space held hostage by encampments
4) raising property taxes: failed - huge disappointment - vacant home tax rollout was a disaster - she mitigates this by cutting services to neighbourhoods who don’t vote for her (aka the wealthy aka our most valuable Torontonians)
5) Ontario Place: failed - was dead on arrival. She’s now trying to rub sticks together with the OSC to keep her fans satiated
I guess she extended library hours? Lmao
100% this is why nothing ever gets done people glomp onto stupid shit to be angry about. I bet 90% of the people on those articles have never even visited the science center.
Plus Dundas subway station and Dundas West station. (Cost of redoing all signage in subway cars and subway stations? The amount of city tax dollars that went towards all Dundas studies and meetings related to said?)
A few of the opinion piece's key issues: >The Ontario government requires municipalities to provide regular reports on the “state of good repair” of municipally owned public infrastructure. The most recent Toronto numbers were appalling. The city needs to spend $40 billion simply to fix the stuff it already has. Not one solitary cent of it would go to enhancing an existing service or establishing some new service. > >That number, $40 billion, is awfully big. So is $14 billion, which is the amount Toronto has actually budgeted. Unfortunately, that leaves Toronto short $26 billion over the next decade. That’s the delta between what we have and what we need. > >... > >But I can’t help but dwell on the fact that, right until the moment the Calgary water main went kablooey, as far as the city knew, it was in a reasonably good state of repair. So, and I confess we’re thinking the dark thoughts here, how much of the infrastructure in Toronto and in other cities across the province and country is actually in much worse shape than we appreciate? What if it’s not $40 billion over the next decade just to hold the line in Toronto? What if it’s a lot more than that and a lot sooner than that and at a pretty unpredictable rate? What if stuff just starts breaking? > >I hope it doesn’t. I’m not trying to be needlessly pessimistic. But all the evidence Toronto has is that we already own a lot of stuff that is in pretty bad condition. That’s why we need $40 billion now, to begin fixing it. > >This is not a wonderful place to be. Some of the stuff that fails may fail in a way that directly affects quality of life. God forbid, it could fail in a way that threatens life itself. > >We have painted ourselves into a real corner here. What happened in Calgary and at the science centre ought to be seen as relatively pain-free warning shots across our bow. It should spark a conversation about why we need to begin aggressively fixing our infrastructure, while also aggressively working to build the new, necessary infrastructure we’ve fallen behind in building. > >I have a feeling it won’t spark that kind of dialogue, at least until something critical breaks in a spectacular way. But consider this my official invitation, to both our elected officials and the voting public at large, to prove me wrong. For items such as critical infrastructure (and this includes critical municipal services), it's prudent to be proactive about both maintenance as well as regular and timely upgrades to these systems. Waiting until things deteriorate or break before starting to think about these issues is not only too late but also makes the entire task that much more difficult for those working on these issues. Preventative maintenance might seem like a frill, but without it we'll end up time and again with serious problems that we could have prevented.
We are great at CAPEX here. Someone builds a thing and cuts a ribbon. We can throw way more money than most other countries at new projects and pay way more for them than what everyone else does. We should not spend all this money, but we do. We are terrible at OPEX, to the point where whoever build a thing should be ashamed of the state of repair of our infrastructure.
Yeah because there is no political juice to be had in responsibly maintaining the things we’ve already bought and this is one reason large classes of govt projects are inherently doomed
Everyone who thinks massive public housing projects are the answer to the housing crisis needs to sit down with this report and really internalize what they’re suggesting
Many Toronto schools are in shockingly poor condition. Leaks like the ones in Humberwood are becoming more common since the school board has a fixed maintenance budget. The problem is, issues like leaks cost several magnitudes more to fix when they are ignored. The building maintenance auditors should be including a Fix Now and Fix Later price so the city can at least pull whatever funding is needed to address priority repairs instead of pursuing overpriced renaming projects.
School boards are provincial agencies, so it would be separate from what the city has budgeted.
Does city hall fund school maintenance?
Not since the 1990s. That's all on the Government of Ontario. What makes things worse for the TDSB is that they're *not* getting money from the province to fix up their schools *and* the province won't let them close schools to save money through consolidation. This is probably what infuriates me the most about the maintenance backlog we're seeing from our social services, it's *all* self inflicted by short term minded politicians saving their own ass for the next election.
I've said this to my friends IRL but, the City of Toronto's maintenance backlog is so unbelievably bad that I'd say we have less than 10 years to get our shit in order before things start getting *very painful*. I mean just look at the TTC. The neglect of its maintenance backlog has already gotten us to a point where the subway is horribly inefficient and slow due to all of the slow orders and the service as a whole is completely unreliable. This is all because of the deteriorating infrastructure which has *directly* led to 2 major service disruptions over the past few months (the Line 2 hydraulic fluid leak, the King/Church streetcar disruption). Mind you, we've seen these terrible service disruptions from a network of infrastructure which is generally *approaching* a state of poor condition but *hasn't reached that point yet.* If this is the "not that bad" state I really don't want to see what 10 years and fully deteriorated infrastructure will give us. The decision makers in this province, but more importantly the voters, need to understand that our infrastructure is falling apart and painful decisions *must* be made in the near future to rectify this. What this means is higher taxes, but also much more taxation powers for the cities. The current system of property taxation does not work with all the responsibility municipalities have today.
This is why I won't complain about the street closures in the west end. PLEASE maintain the water main. PLEASE redo the streetcar tracks. PLEASE perform safety checks on Dufferin Bridge. All of these fixes are communicated to the public in advance and it is extremely easy to look up estimated work dates for them. People have reroutable maps in their vehicles; they have information at their fingertips. It should not come out of left field for people travelling around the city if they plan their routes. When this type of stuff legitimately hits the breaking point, _that's_ the real inconvenience. That's the type of stuff that people will have problems with. That's when the dominoes fall and parts of the city become unliveable. And the worst thing is, I can type a sentence like that last one there, and the snark in response will be 'it's already unliveable.' Yeah. Sure. Cost of living. Hahaha. Good one. If the bubble _ever_ burst, nothing would be left to buy into because all of a sudden, your roads are shit, your water's intermittent, your power's flickering, and your city services don't exist.
Indeed! I try to not complain about the fact that infrastructure work is happening because it's essential. Sure, we can debate the length of time repairs take, how the construction is executed, and if there are ways to mitigate the negative effects of construction better, but the *importance* of this work is non-negotiable. In many ways, if we provided proper funding towards our state of good repair obligations, the negative consequences of having construction could be better mitigated. Take for example Broadview Ave downtown. In 2021 the City replaced the deteriorating watermains along the road. However, due to lack of funding the City wasn't able to replace the deteriorating streetcar tracks at the same time. So, because of this, Broadview had to be closed once for the watermain and then the following year had to be closed again to fix the streetcar tracks. Had we properly funding both projects, they could have been executed in parallel, eliminating the need for multiple closures. This in turn mitigates delays for those travelling in the community by condensing it to a single period of time. Unfortunately a lot of people don't realize the *value* infrastructure provides to them until it's gone.
Maybe all those rich folks lobbying for years to keep taxes low can volunteer to donate money and can throw some cash over to fix this too.
I think we should name failed places after them. When a school's roof collapses and becomes abandoned we call it the "Weston Centre for Low Taxation Studies."
I'm for this. We have a laundry list to get through - we need to start today to get through it. Any suggestions for the Gardiner? What about the run down parks?
So more taxes 😭😭?
The Federation of Canadian Municipalities has been saying this for how many years now? Not news.
Maybe we do this instead of stupid shit like renaming Dundas square
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This comment is so annoying. It’s a decade and a half of austerity not renaming one square that’s the problem. And before that provincial and federal downloading. We’re talking less than a million dollars, this isn’t some budget breaking expenditure. The more expensive full renaming of Dundas that has been pushed back was also passed under Tory, the austerity guy. So take from that what you will, it’s almost like it’s always been politics over need for them.
More than that, it's as if to say both can't be done at the same time. The city is only allowed to deal with one thing!
It's projects like renaming the square, a thousand times over that is the issue. This is just the most blatant in-your-face waste of taxpayer dollars at a time when poverty is at an all time high. Don't dismiss it, it is a ludicrous waste of money. And Jesus fucking Christ, *this* comment is so annoying: >We’re talking less than a million dollars, this isn’t some budget breaking expenditure. How much is enough wastage for you? Just give me an amount that would make you happy. Even if it's a single low dollar amount, how many nurses could it have hired, how many affordable apartments could it have fixed, how many schools could get refurbished? None. Because we wasted it naming a fucking square. And people who are probably financially illiterate dismiss it as being "less than a million dollars". Pay my fucking share then.
My guess is there are far more “wasteful” expenditures that don’t register with people because it lacks an emotional connection whether racist or not.
There are so fucking many wasteful expenditures at each level of government in this country. I'm fucking tired of it. More tired of people who pretend that it's okay when a full quarter of the country is living in poverty and we have millions of people using food banks and thousands homeless. I'd prefer we focus on fixing Canada for everyone, not just a small subset of people who have too much time on their hands and socialize the cost of their pet projects. Fuck. Even just putting portopotties at the encampments and converting useless greenish spaces into community vegetable gardens would have been a much better way of spending that money. But no. We have human shit in the parks, people starving and a lame named square that helps no one.
I'm interested in what you said about converting greenish spaces to community gardens. What kind of green spaces do you have in mind? Because as far as I understand, community gardens as we have them are far too small to grow enough food to offset food costs, even for a single person. It seems to be a stretch to say that a better use of money is setting aside public green space for what amounts to a hobby. It's not a great use for the space either, given all the other uses that would cater to more of population than gardening enthusiasts.
To be fair we are spending (debatable if enough or not) on a lot of programs and initiatives to fight off poverty. Canada truly is a leader in that sense. The larger issue at hand is the distribution of wealth. For the benefit of both groups that gap needs to narrow.
Almost all of the spending on “anti poverty” initiatives ends up being waste. None of these people are held accountable for outcomes
Are we really though? I see a lot of media announcements, not a lot of tangible action. Just talk talk talk committee talk talk consultant talk talk election talk talk. Rinse and repeat. Meanwhile that gap widens daily.
I’m not dismissing shit. I’m saying it’s a drop in the bucket and the hole was created through an intentional decades long policy to starve the city of resources. That’s where the solution will be. Not cherry picking some barely relevant thing you’re fucking crying about to distract from the actual problem. Youre talking cents per individual, send me the cheque. Im not in support of it either but if someone else paying it allows you to shut the fuck up and focus on the actual problem send it my way.
Buckets are filled one drop at a time, and dismissing drops is not the answer. The anger comes from a situation where we are still saying yes to bullshit projects when the city is on fire
The city is on fire because it’s been starved for funding not because of a name change. As I said in another post on here, the ford’s built their political careers on supposed waste, finding efficiencies, gravy trains and were never able to show any significant mismanagement. Because it isn’t the problem. Wedge issue distraction, that’s all this is.
“I owe $100,000 in credit card debt but I will continue ordering uber eats every night because that’s just a drop in the bucket compared to what I owe. I’m broke because I just don’t have enough income, not because I ran up my credit card bill buying stupid shit”
It’s like you didn’t read anything I said. Much smarter people than you have tried to prove it’s a wasteful spending problem and have failed. Saying it in some useless analogy doesn’t change that fact.
Everyone who has ever worked with the city in any capacity knows there is an immense amount of waste that happens because there is zero accountability. Acting like if Rob Ford can’t find it then it doesn’t exist is hilarious to me, you have a lot of faith in a crackhead
It’s not just the million dollars wasted on the square, but it is absolutely part of it. Your attitude is why we piss money away.
It’s not millions of dollars. And we don’t piss money away. The fords struggled for years trying to prove the city wastes money and found very little non essential spending, a savings of 12.5 million. He did pay kpmg millions to come back with the answer he was full of shit and didn’t know what he was talking about though.
So he wasn’t pissing away money paying kpmg? Pissing away money includes things like funding construction of assets that we don’t maintain.
Paying a consulting firm to do a line by line review that finds nothing is a waste. Your point is that waste like that is the problem while that’s not what I’m saying. The not maintaining assets is the austerity and funding problem im talking about, now you’re trying to move the goal posts to pretend that’s what you were originally saying.
Lol this is the result of rampant corruption. Even if we do get that $40B, how much of that will actually go into improving infrastructure? Answer: not very much.
But ukraine needs that $40 billion more!. I wish the world would stop beings selfish and stop 5hinking only about themselves
At the time of it’s failure, Calgary’s water main hadn’t been evaluated for 10 years. It’s shocking to learn.
Meanwhile people care more about the OSC…my god….
Well we have a side helping of fraudulence going on with that as well Edit: you seem pretty salty about the whole thing. Guess what, you can't unring a bell. Ford got called out on the Greenbelt and is getting called out on this. The gravy train is on shaky tracks
They’ve been very salty about it. Their post history is almost exclusively whattaboutisms on OSC threads where they claim “not to care where it goes”.
The gravy train suffers from morbid obesity. When you consume more resources than you need of course the tracks are gonna break….
Of course I’m salty - it’s a done deal and Chow is now planning to waste more resources we don’t have on punching this brick wall a bit more. It’s incredible how incompetent she is.
A done deal? Maybe not for long Nobody can afford to buy a house or condo these days anyhow. And it's not worth it for investors anymore
Lol this guy really said Chow is incompetent
That’s right - name one thing she’s done or started from her campaign promises to make a “more affordable, safe and caring city, where everyone belongs?” 1) Build more affordable housing with the coty as the developer: failed - on hold because feds and provs won’t pay for it (as she said - it’s not enough). She’s basically said we’re broke even though we’ve tried nothing… 2) Transit - centred around Scarborough rapid transit line: failed - it’s a disaster with a bad rollout into 2027 3) mental health/community safety: failed - she’s basically given up on removing squatters from parks and removed the police power designed to clear them - a huge letdown for communities having their green space held hostage by encampments 4) raising property taxes: failed - huge disappointment - vacant home tax rollout was a disaster - she mitigates this by cutting services to neighbourhoods who don’t vote for her (aka the wealthy aka our most valuable Torontonians) 5) Ontario Place: failed - was dead on arrival. She’s now trying to rub sticks together with the OSC to keep her fans satiated I guess she extended library hours? Lmao
And you accused me of cherrypicking the other day. Lmao.
100% this is why nothing ever gets done people glomp onto stupid shit to be angry about. I bet 90% of the people on those articles have never even visited the science center.
Lol their protest wasn’t even at the science centre.
Yet we have a Mayor that rather spend millions renaming a street.
Didn’t that not happen at all?
Yep, council is no longer moving forward with Tory's plan to rename Dundas street and is just renaming Dundas square.
Plus Dundas subway station and Dundas West station. (Cost of redoing all signage in subway cars and subway stations? The amount of city tax dollars that went towards all Dundas studies and meetings related to said?)
Tory isn't mayor anymore though so that's not happening.