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In the UK picking non-wild plants or parts of a plant from someone's property is theft. but, theft requires intent and I don't think anyone can prove that the neighbor lets his bees out specifically with the intent to permanently deprive OOP of pollen.
also, this is literally the plot of Bee Movie.
That is so sad to hear, Iāve been really lucky with my bee condo, lots of native bees in addition to the honey bees always buzzing around. Hoping to get more of the leaf cutter bees this year. And yeah I can only imagine, they really are busy bees!
Yes! Itās funny because when they cut the circles from the leaf, they cling to the circle that they are cutting. So when they finish they just drop, and start flying on the way down. Itās actually hilarious to watch.
Get a bee condo! (If you donāt already have one). Super cheap, pretty easy clean out once everybody has hatched and i see cool and new stuff trying it out every year!
One of the garden centers near me offers leafcutter bees for sale. I already get them, my climbing rose looks like it was attacked by a hole punch by the end of summer. Great pollinators though.
So you pay a monthly fee (cell phone bill) to keep a sex toy (vibratory app) on hand for some hot tomatoes (pronounced to-mah-toes, like in the 60's)?
What's it like being a sex worker? *grins*
Iām going to disagree. If OOP is in the Americas, honey bees are non-native and aggressively territorial. They will fight off native bees, moths, hummingbirds, and many other beneficial nativeāand strugglingāspecies of pollinators in a large radius around their hive.
They donāt steal pollen from ***us*** like OOP is saying, they steal pollen from our natural and native ecosystems so their owners can profit off of them (I know most beekeepers donāt know this or understand it, I try to not be judgmental).
This is something I have to contend with for a few months out of the year when the nut-farmers rent honey bees to pollinate their orchards. God forbid we just foster native pollinators as opposed to shipping invasive European pollinators across the countryā¦
Personally, living next to someone with European honey bees year-round would drive me crazy.
I agree with you, I too would rather our native bees in our gardens and elsewhere. However, this post is ridiculous, the person who posted this is not coming at this from an ecologically informed perspective. This is pettiness and greed entirely.
If this was a āprotect our native speciesā take thatās a completely different story.
I appreciate the lecture though :).
Omg, I totally agree. OOP is being a total Karen. Her entitled and shrunken frontal lobe has convinced her that her private property is being taken away by bees. Itās literally insane.
Sorry if my comment came across too ālecture-yā lol
All good lol. Yeah Iām a big supporter of using local plants and encouraging our native species to be more present in our backyards. My bee condo was a hit last year and Iām hoping for more leaf cutter bees (they are my faves). Looking forward to my prairie smokes when they start blooming!
Love it! This is the first year Iāve actually been in a space that I can plant things in the ground in my own home since I learned that native pollinators need native plants to reproduce. Iām just waiting for the day that I see a beautiful wondering tiger moth š„²
Duuude, yes, Iām jealous! Haha. I cannot wait to see more like that now that Iām back out in the country and planting native plants. Sadly thereās not much diversity in wildlife around the various apartments Iāve lived in for the last decade š„²
grayanotoxin can also kill honey bees, only some are immune to it and can harvest it. for grayanotoxin to affect humans I think the honey needs to be only from one hive and one specific breed of flower. the honey is called mad honey, its used in herbal medicine. its not something like 99% of people are at risk from if theyre keeping bees
Yeah that's true, the bitch is getting their plants pollinated for free. Shit like this gives me huge anxiety about the world my daughter will have to live in.
Plants already get pollinated for free by native pollinators. Honey bees are native to Europe, not the Americas. Unless youāre in Europe, honey bees are contributing to the collapse of your native ecosystem. If things donāt change, European honey bees will be the only pollinator your daughter knows exists and she will miss out on the diverse beauty of the natural world you and I grew up in. Thatās what concerns me, personally.
This could literally be solved with a friendly conversation āhey neighbour, cool bees. Weāre getting a lot of yours on my flowers. You get much honey off them? You do? NiceāĀ
And them offering you a jar. Or you hinting that youād like a jar for free if they donāt offer.Ā
But because this is America, everyone would rather sue
How does she know they are the neighbors bees? They can travel up to 5 miles for pollen. We left a big patch of clover around our hives specifically so our bees didn't have to travel too far. Never saw the bees on it.
>And them offering you a jar. Or you hinting that youād like a jar for free if they donāt offer.Ā
I would not give you a free jar of honey. You weren't using that pollen, you aren't entitled to my honey, Winnie the Pooh.
Iām so glad Iām not the only one out here chiming in about this. lol. I love honey but honey bees are not the bees that need saving. Native bees need saving ***from*** honey bees.
Beekeeping and honey extracting equipment is not cheap, especially if you want to do it right. I want to get into beekeeping but my budget currently doesnāt allow it. So the best I could do is buy those little bee homes for native bees to help them out.
āSave the beesā
These incentives are not to save the bees. Honey bees are non-native and fight off native pollinators (bees, moths, hummingbirds, etc.).
These incentives are to prop up a collapsing agricultural system that tries to squeeze profits out of every inch of our natural world, with no regard for what it leaves behind for the next generation.
Thatās a negative way to look at it imo, the government rewarding people for positively impacting the environment is a good thing imo, and most people will need at least some degree of incentive to pursue a hobby as involved as bee keeping
I worked for the local mosquito abatement district one summer and I was so damned worried about taking out somebodyās hive. We were told that replacement cost for a mature hive could run as much as $10k and we would be personally liable.
When I was a kid, growing up in New England in the '60s we had two lovely 80-year-old cherry trees in our backyard. This was in the city and these cherries bloomed beautifully in early June and always did bear wonderful fruit. A guy would come over sometimes with his hive of bees and let them out and I always thought we were doing each other a good service. The trees were wonderfully and effectively pollinated, although on this particular variety of cherry I don't think it was a problem, the bees were happy and the guy got a lot of great honey out of it and doubtedly I always thought it was a win-win. The last week of June was cherry season in New Hampshire ..was so delicious..
I have one too. The deer eat my cherries. Can I sue them? What assets do they have that I can attach? Also, how do I serve them since they have no hands to accept service.
In many jurisdictions, if the person you're trying to serve refuses to accept service, you can put it on the ground in front of them and inform them they've been served.
Though you don't actually have to say "you've been served" everywhere, I do think everyone should. Because it's REALLY fun.
Yes you can sue, but first you will have to identify the pertinent facts of the case. Have the bees been branded and is that brand registered with your stateās livestock association? Does your state have any āfree rangeā laws in place and have you installed adequate fencing to protect your crops? Keep in mind that these could be feral bees in which case your only option is to sue the individual bees.
How do you identify it being bees from the neighbor and not just random bees. Do you follow them from the neighbor's house or do they have tiny name tags?
They would lose this lawsuit if anyone who understands how flowers work testified. Neighbor would have zero flowers if bees did not pollinate them. Does he want flowers or does he want to sue for some stupid ass bullshit reason?
If he brought the suit, I would counter sue for all the back pay on flower pollination services I've been providing.
https://thebrehonlawyer.com/2021/03/31/bees-and-neighbourhood/
Old Irish law was very specific about bees and beekeeping, actually. It had stipulations for things like being neighborly as a beekeeper and sharing some of what you collect from your bees, and what was expected if they hurt someone not tresspassing vs tresspassing or very far away.
Pretty cool
Tennessee law is fun because I'm immune to just about everything as long as my hive is registered and I don't physically throw a hive over my neighbor's fence
Edit: the human law sucks. But the bee law is fun.
Mother Nature isn't going to take the inevitable lawsuit against her too kindly. She may even tell Santa and the nut job will receive a lump of coal in their stocking next Christmas.
How does this moron think pollination occurs? Bees, of course, arenāt the only creatures that assist in pollination, but without these creatures, pollination simply could not occur.
Another shining example of how the internet amplifies moronic behaviours and beliefs. Sometimes wish I was back in the olden days where this kind of stupidity never reached my eyes and ears.
The bees only listen to their queen. Likely theyād send in a few drones to testify and then make them serve the jail sentence for the colony, likely starting in late fall.
I'd say just get some super red food dye and sugar water like the hipsters bees got in Brooklyn when they ate the garbage syrup from the manaschino cherry factory and it made all of their honey weird color
What types of things should you be documenting? Let's see.... maybe start with: I'm a douchebag neighbor who can't use my words to articulate how utterly nose-dripping, pee my pants sensitive I am.
They're fucking bees, loser. I'm guessing next you'll try to figure out a way to poison them so they don't steal anymore of your flowers' pollen
A fair settlement might be a jar of honey, it is unneighborly not to give your neighbors a jar of your beesā honey. It makes them feel happy instead of apprehensive when they see your hives.
Iām sure bee law is an actual thing. A quick internet sewrch suggests that bees are not pets nor domesticated livestock, though it would seem that itās possible a beekeeper could be responsible for nuisance or damage. But as far as trespass, almost certainly not. The owner of the property here would certainly be entitled to erect a āfenceā to keep the bees off his property or out of his flowers but without any damages, couldnāt interfere with those bees.
In law related to domesticated animals and livestock, it seems that putting up a fence is a prerequisite to a claim of animal trespass. Without digging too deep into bee law specifically, I was just using the same language and suggesting it would probably be a similar requirement if someone wants to prevent a neighborās bees from gathering pollen from their plants. Netting/cage around the plants would be the equivalent, obviously. Normally I wouldnāt feel the need to clarify but you seem to be someone who likes the obvious to be stated.
You could maybe try but you wouldnāt be able to build a convincing case. Beekeepers canāt control where their bees go (pretty sure in some places there are actual laws that state this, so you canāt sue a beekeeper if one of their bees comes into your yard and stings you for example).
Bees can also travel miles away from their hives to forage, so in order to claim part of the profits youād probably have to prove that nectar from your flowers make up a significant portion of the honey, and how exactly do you plan to do that? You see some of their bees foraging on your flowers, but do you know where all of the foragers go?
Also, your garden is directly benefiting from the presence of those bees. They are pollinating your flowers, which leads to more flowers in the future. If a neighbor tried to sue me because my bees were pollinating their garden Iād tell them to go screw themselves and then move my bees a few miles away so that they arenāt benefiting from them anymore because Iām petty like that.
Some beekeepers will give their neighbors a few jars of honey for free as a nice gesture, but in a lot of places itās not required and is purely symbolic, and the type of person that would consider suing their beekeeping neighbor for the presence of bees is sure to have a rancid personality in other aspects, so it doesnāt surprise me that the beekeeper doesnāt do that in this case.
It is a courtesy for a beekeeper neighbor to provide a free jar of honey, not as compensation for nectar, but as compensation for the bees pooping on your cars and windows. That stuff does not come off when you just drive through the car wash.
Iād love to see this court case.
Judge asks: How much of the hornet comes from your pollen?
Answer is: I donāt know but I want compensation.
Judge asks: Weāre your plants pollinated and helped?
Answer: Of course!
Judge says: No damages, no fouls. Case dismissed. Now enjoy your plants or get rid of them doesnāt matter. If you donāt want bees then donāt plant things that flower sir. Those bees will just go elsewhere.
I'm legit worried about this. My neighbors have kids and my wildflowers attract a lot of pollinators by design. Can they file a claim with my homeowners if their kids get stung (in my yard or theirs)?
As a beekeeper, I find this Hilario. Also I give all my neighbors a free pot of honey each year to ensure I keep them happy and passified. They are always surprised and are happy by the fact that they got something they werenāt expecting. They always end up saying how great it is, and I also talk about the effects that pesticides and herbicides have and what and how to best avoid the use of them. Also they see how these effects are positively changing their own gardens. The effect has a real positive effect on the neighborhood. Even better is they buy more plants with the thoughts on butterflies and native bees.
People talk about the negatl effects bees have on local bees, but in actual fact the opposite is true. I have around 12 hives and we have seen an over abundance and resurgence of insects (worms, wild bees, bumblebees, hornets, much less wasps and more other insects) and birds and other wildlife.
Finally if they were to be an idiot and act like the post above, I would just say, are you sure those are my bees?
>People talk about the negatl effects bees have on local bees, but in actual fact the opposite is true. I have around 12 hives and we have seen an over abundance and resurgence of insects (worms, wild bees, bumblebees, hornets, much less wasps and more other insects) and birds and other wildlife.
It's definitely not a 1:1 argument, since honey bees aren't predatory, but I imagine it'd be a similar sort of effect to the whole 'returning wolves to yellowstone' thing, if you've seen that.
https://youtu.be/fTPt70vA39k?si=5bH3dqEuQ0LALGyK link here, if you haven't. It's a cool watch.
You will need to check the brand on the bees to prove whose they are. Each bee on your property will need to be roped and brand inspected to determine ownership.
Lemme handle this. He's making a few good points. I know a lot about the law and various lawyerings. I know situations like this, bee wise, they're very complex.
In this precise set of circumstances, there may be an argument in unjust enrichment. However youād likely have to prove that the labour you put into maintaining your Garden was an indispensable or a unique part of the honey-making process by which the neighbour was directly profiting off of. Youād also have to show that it somehow disadvantaged you.
Itād be a difficult thing to establish as, while it would be easy to show that your pollen was being used, youād have to show that a significant percentage of the total pollen used was coming from your Garden, and thus you directly contributed your labour/capital to the process.
It would also depend on how long itās been going on. If the neighbour has been keeping bees for Nineteen years + 1 day without interruption, then they could argue they actually have a legally enforceable easement over your property for their bees to seek pollen. They could also argue thereās not a reasonable measure that could be taken to ensure the bees *donāt* use the pollen from the yard, and that it doesnāt prevent the usage of that yard, thus thereās no disadvantage to the owner of the flowers, because there was no reasonable expectation of profiting from the flowers beyond enjoyment of the garden/yard.
TL;DR is there grounds for a suit? Maybe, some very shaky grounds in Property law, but youād have trouble getting a lawyer to actually file the suit and youād probably lose.
Source: am a current J.D. student in Canada
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My neighbor keeps stealing all the oxygen my plants are making!!! What the hell is happening to this world!?!
Clayton Bigsby?
š¤£ A+ reference!
Theyāre eating all our chickens.
YOU KNOW WEāRE LIVING IN A SOCIETY!!
Sounds like that guy is the real oxygen thiefā¦
hardly a fair comparison, is the neighbor profiting from the oxygen?
Shut up.
Yes. They breath oxegen which allows them to live and work. Working earns money. Checkmate.
In the UK picking non-wild plants or parts of a plant from someone's property is theft. but, theft requires intent and I don't think anyone can prove that the neighbor lets his bees out specifically with the intent to permanently deprive OOP of pollen. also, this is literally the plot of Bee Movie.
Beekeeper should be charging her for providing pollination services.
This is the correct take
As someone who doesn't get enough bees in the yard for pollination, I've had to...um...diddle the flowers myself. That is one huge task!
You haven't lived until you've helped 2 zucchini flowers get it on.
I'm only a fairweather visitor to this group but this should be the header image for the sub
I always feel so dirty after pollinating squash
Venus flytraps in my case. They're self-compatible but they often require a little manual motivation.
That is so sad to hear, Iāve been really lucky with my bee condo, lots of native bees in addition to the honey bees always buzzing around. Hoping to get more of the leaf cutter bees this year. And yeah I can only imagine, they really are busy bees!
I have to be sex surrogate to my little lemon tree I keep in my house sept-may
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It'll never happen. Have you ever tried to potty train a bee?
Wait, you're telling me there are BEE versions of my favorite ANTS??
Yes! Itās funny because when they cut the circles from the leaf, they cling to the circle that they are cutting. So when they finish they just drop, and start flying on the way down. Itās actually hilarious to watch.
I must have them š¤
Get a bee condo! (If you donāt already have one). Super cheap, pretty easy clean out once everybody has hatched and i see cool and new stuff trying it out every year!
Or honestly even make yourself if you can find the right materials and are a little crafty
My mother would love that! She loves photography especially insects like bees.
Do you wear a bee costume and antennae when you do it?
LOL Now that would be awesome! Nah, just a ponytail and a paint brush, pretty low key lol
that would bee awesome* fixed it for you
I did that (dressed in a bee costume) during the pandemic lockdown while pollinating my indoor lemon tree. Back then we had to make it own fun.
The question is whether itās legal. NSFW part of tree forum.
Can you get hold of Phacelia seeds. Bees will travel a long way for these flowers. I had some in my yard and there was a cloud of bees above them.
One of the garden centers near me offers leafcutter bees for sale. I already get them, my climbing rose looks like it was attacked by a hole punch by the end of summer. Great pollinators though.
This is why I have a vibration app on my phone. To help my heirloom tomatoes self-pollinate.
So you pay a monthly fee (cell phone bill) to keep a sex toy (vibratory app) on hand for some hot tomatoes (pronounced to-mah-toes, like in the 60's)? What's it like being a sex worker? *grins*
Iām going to disagree. If OOP is in the Americas, honey bees are non-native and aggressively territorial. They will fight off native bees, moths, hummingbirds, and many other beneficial nativeāand strugglingāspecies of pollinators in a large radius around their hive. They donāt steal pollen from ***us*** like OOP is saying, they steal pollen from our natural and native ecosystems so their owners can profit off of them (I know most beekeepers donāt know this or understand it, I try to not be judgmental). This is something I have to contend with for a few months out of the year when the nut-farmers rent honey bees to pollinate their orchards. God forbid we just foster native pollinators as opposed to shipping invasive European pollinators across the countryā¦ Personally, living next to someone with European honey bees year-round would drive me crazy.
I agree with you, I too would rather our native bees in our gardens and elsewhere. However, this post is ridiculous, the person who posted this is not coming at this from an ecologically informed perspective. This is pettiness and greed entirely. If this was a āprotect our native speciesā take thatās a completely different story. I appreciate the lecture though :).
Omg, I totally agree. OOP is being a total Karen. Her entitled and shrunken frontal lobe has convinced her that her private property is being taken away by bees. Itās literally insane. Sorry if my comment came across too ālecture-yā lol
All good lol. Yeah Iām a big supporter of using local plants and encouraging our native species to be more present in our backyards. My bee condo was a hit last year and Iām hoping for more leaf cutter bees (they are my faves). Looking forward to my prairie smokes when they start blooming!
Love it! This is the first year Iāve actually been in a space that I can plant things in the ground in my own home since I learned that native pollinators need native plants to reproduce. Iām just waiting for the day that I see a beautiful wondering tiger moth š„²
The tiger moths are gorgeous. Last summer I had a ton of Scarlet and Painted lichen moths at my work. Funky, colourful and badass š
Duuude, yes, Iām jealous! Haha. I cannot wait to see more like that now that Iām back out in the country and planting native plants. Sadly thereās not much diversity in wildlife around the various apartments Iāve lived in for the last decade š„²
TIL (honey)bees are not native to the US. What kind of animals (insects) are US/north american native pollinators?
Also I'd would definitely be asking my neighbor to buy honey. How amazing would it be to taste honey from your own garden?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayanotoxin
Yeah I don't think that would be a problem for me
grayanotoxin can also kill honey bees, only some are immune to it and can harvest it. for grayanotoxin to affect humans I think the honey needs to be only from one hive and one specific breed of flower. the honey is called mad honey, its used in herbal medicine. its not something like 99% of people are at risk from if theyre keeping bees
Yeah that's true, the bitch is getting their plants pollinated for free. Shit like this gives me huge anxiety about the world my daughter will have to live in.
Plants already get pollinated for free by native pollinators. Honey bees are native to Europe, not the Americas. Unless youāre in Europe, honey bees are contributing to the collapse of your native ecosystem. If things donāt change, European honey bees will be the only pollinator your daughter knows exists and she will miss out on the diverse beauty of the natural world you and I grew up in. Thatās what concerns me, personally.
I am in Europe. But yeah, all parts of how the world she is going to know as an adult worries me. Tbh that wasn't the point of my post, but true.
You owe me some fruit
That is a legitimate agricultural business.
100%
Exactly how does he think he has those flowers?
Would that amount to prostituting bees out for plant sex?
How would you ever confirm it was her bees and it other wilds bees
This could literally be solved with a friendly conversation āhey neighbour, cool bees. Weāre getting a lot of yours on my flowers. You get much honey off them? You do? NiceāĀ And them offering you a jar. Or you hinting that youād like a jar for free if they donāt offer.Ā But because this is America, everyone would rather sue
How does she know they are the neighbors bees? They can travel up to 5 miles for pollen. We left a big patch of clover around our hives specifically so our bees didn't have to travel too far. Never saw the bees on it.
Iām sorry you grew cursed clover
We love clover.
Probably because of the extremely short travel time.
>And them offering you a jar. Or you hinting that youād like a jar for free if they donāt offer.Ā I would not give you a free jar of honey. You weren't using that pollen, you aren't entitled to my honey, Winnie the Pooh.
Iām gonna be getting a hive and bees next year and Iām having your honey, you no good pollen stealing thief.Ā
The bees arenāt āpickingā flowers though.
According to the known laws of physics...
Also, you don't deprive them of pollen. This is the natural process by which plants pollinate each other.
Nah gov, I've got me flower license all sorted.
This came up in Texas over agricultural tax breaks for beekeeping which led to massive rises in bee populations after the tax breaks starting coming.
Itās sad that the incentive people needed to help save the numbers of bees was tax breaks
Incentives work, thatās why our tax system is so complicated and why the IRS gave out the stimulus payments
Unfortunately it's native bee populations that are at risk and need to be saved. Honeybees are thriving.
Iām so glad Iām not the only one out here chiming in about this. lol. I love honey but honey bees are not the bees that need saving. Native bees need saving ***from*** honey bees.
Beekeeping and honey extracting equipment is not cheap, especially if you want to do it right. I want to get into beekeeping but my budget currently doesnāt allow it. So the best I could do is buy those little bee homes for native bees to help them out.
āSave the beesā These incentives are not to save the bees. Honey bees are non-native and fight off native pollinators (bees, moths, hummingbirds, etc.). These incentives are to prop up a collapsing agricultural system that tries to squeeze profits out of every inch of our natural world, with no regard for what it leaves behind for the next generation.
Thatās a negative way to look at it imo, the government rewarding people for positively impacting the environment is a good thing imo, and most people will need at least some degree of incentive to pursue a hobby as involved as bee keeping
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It's real now lol
Lmao wtf
You spawned it š
Yakno i initially thought it would be real because one time my buddy told me he had bee insurance for his bees. Glad itās real now
I worked for the local mosquito abatement district one summer and I was so damned worried about taking out somebodyās hive. We were told that replacement cost for a mature hive could run as much as $10k and we would be personally liable.
Joined lolololol.
not to be confused with r/sealaw !
Someone needs to make this and create the premiere subreddit for international maritime law.
When I was a kid, growing up in New England in the '60s we had two lovely 80-year-old cherry trees in our backyard. This was in the city and these cherries bloomed beautifully in early June and always did bear wonderful fruit. A guy would come over sometimes with his hive of bees and let them out and I always thought we were doing each other a good service. The trees were wonderfully and effectively pollinated, although on this particular variety of cherry I don't think it was a problem, the bees were happy and the guy got a lot of great honey out of it and doubtedly I always thought it was a win-win. The last week of June was cherry season in New Hampshire ..was so delicious..
I have one too. The deer eat my cherries. Can I sue them? What assets do they have that I can attach? Also, how do I serve them since they have no hands to accept service.
In many jurisdictions, if the person you're trying to serve refuses to accept service, you can put it on the ground in front of them and inform them they've been served. Though you don't actually have to say "you've been served" everywhere, I do think everyone should. Because it's REALLY fun.
Well on second thought maybe in deer, they are paying me because they leave this little pile near the tree.
How to serve deer? A cherry sauce would work fine for venison.
Honestly, fair. Maybe if you spread the little pile out magic beanstalks will sprout?
You can extract it in the form of venison steaks in November hunting season
Just give him a box of bees.
"Totally not wasps. Please shake *vigorously* before opening"
Just put a large H on it for Honey....
They donāt allow you to have bees in hereā¦
Yes you can sue, but first you will have to identify the pertinent facts of the case. Have the bees been branded and is that brand registered with your stateās livestock association? Does your state have any āfree rangeā laws in place and have you installed adequate fencing to protect your crops? Keep in mind that these could be feral bees in which case your only option is to sue the individual bees.
How do you identify it being bees from the neighbor and not just random bees. Do you follow them from the neighbor's house or do they have tiny name tags?
They should have been branded with a tiny little branding iron at the spring round up. Havenāt you ever watched old reruns of āRawhideā?
You just asked the bees for identification
Bees are not known for their integrity my friend.
They would lose this lawsuit if anyone who understands how flowers work testified. Neighbor would have zero flowers if bees did not pollinate them. Does he want flowers or does he want to sue for some stupid ass bullshit reason? If he brought the suit, I would counter sue for all the back pay on flower pollination services I've been providing.
Itās not governed by reason
https://thebrehonlawyer.com/2021/03/31/bees-and-neighbourhood/ Old Irish law was very specific about bees and beekeeping, actually. It had stipulations for things like being neighborly as a beekeeper and sharing some of what you collect from your bees, and what was expected if they hurt someone not tresspassing vs tresspassing or very far away. Pretty cool
Tennessee law is fun because I'm immune to just about everything as long as my hive is registered and I don't physically throw a hive over my neighbor's fence Edit: the human law sucks. But the bee law is fun.
Hive throwing was used by armies in the far past.
I came here specifically to see who would mention the old bee laws! They're some of the oldest laws.
Mother Nature isn't going to take the inevitable lawsuit against her too kindly. She may even tell Santa and the nut job will receive a lump of coal in their stocking next Christmas.
How does this moron think pollination occurs? Bees, of course, arenāt the only creatures that assist in pollination, but without these creatures, pollination simply could not occur.
Another shining example of how the internet amplifies moronic behaviours and beliefs. Sometimes wish I was back in the olden days where this kind of stupidity never reached my eyes and ears.
This calls for a kick in the nuts
or a throat punch
Ro-Sham-Bo him for it
I give my neighbors free methane in the form of flatulence maybe I should start charging.
Tonight on bee court!
The bees only listen to their queen. Likely theyād send in a few drones to testify and then make them serve the jail sentence for the colony, likely starting in late fall.
Pretty sure Bees are considered wild animals so youāre not really liable even if you are beekeeper who has ādomesticatedā them
My garden is significantly more bountiful and I demand compensation!
Right! Farmers pay beekeepers to bring hives to their fields and orchards to pollinate many crops
Shut up, you have received the service of pollination!
If that isn't satire, whoever wrote it needs help.
yes, that's basically what they are asking for
I'd say just get some super red food dye and sugar water like the hipsters bees got in Brooklyn when they ate the garbage syrup from the manaschino cherry factory and it made all of their honey weird color
This is just rage bait. However, it is typically good form to give a neighbour a screen jar of honey, you know, to keep 'em sweet.
The beekeeper should demand cut of every fruit produced in neighbourās garden. his bees are doing all the work after all.
This idiot doesnāt realize that if the bees didnāt come into his yard, he wouldnāt HAVE any flowers
Some people would bitch if they were hung with a new rope. š OP has no life. I would love to have all those bees in my flowers.
Amazing
Careful the beekeeper may be Jason Statham.
Dont feed the trolls.
If this neighbor can send his bees purposefully over to the neighbors yard, the neighbor has a bigger problem than he realizes. š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
The bee keeper should charge the guy for pollination services.
They would have to sue the bees then since they are the ones doing it unless they can show their neighbor is controlling the bees.
Is there such a thing as āBee Lawā? Serious question
Let's go toe to toe on bird law..
This person's garden wouldn't be flourishing without those Bees what a dummy.
This is how a litigious and money-whoring culture rots a personās brain.
Personally I specialize in Bird Law
Youāve seen a bee movie now get ready for bee movie 2 lawsuit boogaloo.
What types of things should you be documenting? Let's see.... maybe start with: I'm a douchebag neighbor who can't use my words to articulate how utterly nose-dripping, pee my pants sensitive I am. They're fucking bees, loser. I'm guessing next you'll try to figure out a way to poison them so they don't steal anymore of your flowers' pollen
Your honor, I would like to call Queen Bee to the witness stand.
A fair settlement might be a jar of honey, it is unneighborly not to give your neighbors a jar of your beesā honey. It makes them feel happy instead of apprehensive when they see your hives.
Well judging by the neighbour from this 1 message I can see why they havenāt received a jar of honeyā¦.
I'm a beekeeper and dick neighbours like this get nothing.
Plant Rhododendron.
Umm for real ?
Gob's not on board.
Buy a shot gun, I think you're allowed to shoot vermin on your property.... That'll teach him šš¤£š
No one mentioning bird law!?!
Bee lawyer? Like a bird lawyer, but for beesā¦ I suggest the internet make this a thing that could happenā¦ Go!
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This has got to be a joke! ššAte you having a laugh?!
They present a good point. If the neighbor doesnāt have their own flowers for said bees I wonder if they have a case.
What a cunt
At least they aren't stealing their lemons. I got a loan using our lemon tree as collateral and I have to check on it every 10 seconds.
Let me guess . California? Bee tax law incoming.
This has to be a troll or joke
Iām sure bee law is an actual thing. A quick internet sewrch suggests that bees are not pets nor domesticated livestock, though it would seem that itās possible a beekeeper could be responsible for nuisance or damage. But as far as trespass, almost certainly not. The owner of the property here would certainly be entitled to erect a āfenceā to keep the bees off his property or out of his flowers but without any damages, couldnāt interfere with those bees.
A fence wonāt keep bees out
In law related to domesticated animals and livestock, it seems that putting up a fence is a prerequisite to a claim of animal trespass. Without digging too deep into bee law specifically, I was just using the same language and suggesting it would probably be a similar requirement if someone wants to prevent a neighborās bees from gathering pollen from their plants. Netting/cage around the plants would be the equivalent, obviously. Normally I wouldnāt feel the need to clarify but you seem to be someone who likes the obvious to be stated.
You could maybe try but you wouldnāt be able to build a convincing case. Beekeepers canāt control where their bees go (pretty sure in some places there are actual laws that state this, so you canāt sue a beekeeper if one of their bees comes into your yard and stings you for example). Bees can also travel miles away from their hives to forage, so in order to claim part of the profits youād probably have to prove that nectar from your flowers make up a significant portion of the honey, and how exactly do you plan to do that? You see some of their bees foraging on your flowers, but do you know where all of the foragers go? Also, your garden is directly benefiting from the presence of those bees. They are pollinating your flowers, which leads to more flowers in the future. If a neighbor tried to sue me because my bees were pollinating their garden Iād tell them to go screw themselves and then move my bees a few miles away so that they arenāt benefiting from them anymore because Iām petty like that. Some beekeepers will give their neighbors a few jars of honey for free as a nice gesture, but in a lot of places itās not required and is purely symbolic, and the type of person that would consider suing their beekeeping neighbor for the presence of bees is sure to have a rancid personality in other aspects, so it doesnāt surprise me that the beekeeper doesnāt do that in this case.
It is a courtesy for a beekeeper neighbor to provide a free jar of honey, not as compensation for nectar, but as compensation for the bees pooping on your cars and windows. That stuff does not come off when you just drive through the car wash.
Never mess with the beekeeper!
Please I want to see this court case
I wouldnt understand the physics of it, I'm not an executioner. I'm just the best goddamnned bee lawyer in the world.
Iād love to see this court case. Judge asks: How much of the hornet comes from your pollen? Answer is: I donāt know but I want compensation. Judge asks: Weāre your plants pollinated and helped? Answer: Of course! Judge says: No damages, no fouls. Case dismissed. Now enjoy your plants or get rid of them doesnāt matter. If you donāt want bees then donāt plant things that flower sir. Those bees will just go elsewhere.
I posted this months ago with the same basic titleā¦
https://www.reddit.com/r/treelaw/s/VPg5dTTxuL
I'm legit worried about this. My neighbors have kids and my wildflowers attract a lot of pollinators by design. Can they file a claim with my homeowners if their kids get stung (in my yard or theirs)?
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Un-bee-leivable!
Those damn bees. No respect.
As a beekeeper, I find this Hilario. Also I give all my neighbors a free pot of honey each year to ensure I keep them happy and passified. They are always surprised and are happy by the fact that they got something they werenāt expecting. They always end up saying how great it is, and I also talk about the effects that pesticides and herbicides have and what and how to best avoid the use of them. Also they see how these effects are positively changing their own gardens. The effect has a real positive effect on the neighborhood. Even better is they buy more plants with the thoughts on butterflies and native bees. People talk about the negatl effects bees have on local bees, but in actual fact the opposite is true. I have around 12 hives and we have seen an over abundance and resurgence of insects (worms, wild bees, bumblebees, hornets, much less wasps and more other insects) and birds and other wildlife. Finally if they were to be an idiot and act like the post above, I would just say, are you sure those are my bees?
>People talk about the negatl effects bees have on local bees, but in actual fact the opposite is true. I have around 12 hives and we have seen an over abundance and resurgence of insects (worms, wild bees, bumblebees, hornets, much less wasps and more other insects) and birds and other wildlife. It's definitely not a 1:1 argument, since honey bees aren't predatory, but I imagine it'd be a similar sort of effect to the whole 'returning wolves to yellowstone' thing, if you've seen that. https://youtu.be/fTPt70vA39k?si=5bH3dqEuQ0LALGyK link here, if you haven't. It's a cool watch.
Just talk to the neighbor? Like damn
Some people just need to drink more.
This is literally the plot of Bee Movie.
Someone tell them to do it
Unless OP is a literal pollen farm and he is selling pollen for profit, I think he's fucked.
The line about bees being dangerous because she was stung by one as a kid sends me
You will need to check the brand on the bees to prove whose they are. Each bee on your property will need to be roped and brand inspected to determine ownership.
Lemme handle this. He's making a few good points. I know a lot about the law and various lawyerings. I know situations like this, bee wise, they're very complex.
In this precise set of circumstances, there may be an argument in unjust enrichment. However youād likely have to prove that the labour you put into maintaining your Garden was an indispensable or a unique part of the honey-making process by which the neighbour was directly profiting off of. Youād also have to show that it somehow disadvantaged you. Itād be a difficult thing to establish as, while it would be easy to show that your pollen was being used, youād have to show that a significant percentage of the total pollen used was coming from your Garden, and thus you directly contributed your labour/capital to the process. It would also depend on how long itās been going on. If the neighbour has been keeping bees for Nineteen years + 1 day without interruption, then they could argue they actually have a legally enforceable easement over your property for their bees to seek pollen. They could also argue thereās not a reasonable measure that could be taken to ensure the bees *donāt* use the pollen from the yard, and that it doesnāt prevent the usage of that yard, thus thereās no disadvantage to the owner of the flowers, because there was no reasonable expectation of profiting from the flowers beyond enjoyment of the garden/yard. TL;DR is there grounds for a suit? Maybe, some very shaky grounds in Property law, but youād have trouble getting a lawyer to actually file the suit and youād probably lose. Source: am a current J.D. student in Canada
I remember that post, he accepted the answer that he can profit off the bees by selling vegetables they pollinate.
You are a bad neighbor. Bad. Bad. Bad.
Please tell me this isn't real.
Please tell me this *is* real.
Please tell me this isn't fake.
Interesting post but not r/treelaw, letās not water this special place down into a generic meme sub.
How about the OP pollinates the beekeeper's wife and calls it even?
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