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FlahTheToaster

Imagining someone repeatedly sticking their hand in the oven while reciting their Our Father to test the temperature and getting increasingly frustrated because God keeps protecting them from the heat.


SeaYogurtcloset6262

"i have been protecting you for the LAST TEN PRAYERS! CAN YOU STOP PUTTING YOUR HANDS IN THE OVEN? WHAT KIND OF SICK KINK IS THIS?"


thefarmariner

Yeah I was gonna say what about pain tolerances? Like what if a redhead was doing a recipe made by a brunette? O’ the poor Irish lassies 😭


EtheriumShaper

Do gingers have lower pain tolerance for heat?


purpleplatapi

Higher. Redheads have a higher pain tolerance.


little-ass-whipe

They also have a greater subjective response to pain (and, literally, it is based in the physiology of their melanocortin receptor, which causes other odd things, like higher sensitivity to opioids and lower sensitivity to numbing agents like lidocaine). It seems like it would all even out for a given pain stimulus. Which is weird to think about. Evolution wants us to be able to tolerate *this* much pain without our minds breaking, but no more.


scienceguyry

Your last comment is interesting cause in theory given enough time if you let evolution and our favorite natural selection go on foe long enough, a species could develop an absurd pain tolerance, just evolve to not feel pain. But I do believe the explanation foe why we and most others animals do feel pain, is cause it's good for survival. We evolved enough so a cut on our hand doesn't send us into debilitating shock, but it still hurts, Jr hurts to let us know something bad has happened. Pain is our warning alarm. If you felt no pain, you could get shot from behind, somehow not notice it, keeps wlamomg feeling no pain, until you just bleed out none the wiser


EtheriumShaper

Interesting


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No idea, but they do have a higher resistance to pain meds. Like, it takes more novacaine to get 'em numb than it takes a blonde or brunette https://www.ucihealth.org/blog/2018/04/redheads-pain#:~:text=They%20need%20about%2020%20percent,to%20the%20American%20Dentistry%20Association.


teaspoonie

Holy crap. My maternal grandfather was a natural redhead, and while my mom and I are brunettes we both need more local anesthetic than the normal dose. One copy of the gene mutation must be enough for this problem, but as it's only now being looked into I'm guessing studies will focus on the redheads first. Fascinating!


Ankoku_Teion

red heads run in my family, though i am not one. i am also resistant to several common local anaesthetics. also codeine has no effect on me or my brother. its less effective than regular paracetamol.


BadAtTheGame13

Well that explains a lot


Snitsie

What if i'm blonde with a red beard?


lankymjc

There was a study somewhere (*citation missing*) that showed a trend where redheads had a lower tolerance for pain than brunettes.


PM_me_dunsparce

They'll be fine, they'll adjust. The same way people learn the finger way of measuring how much water to add to rice in a rice cooker, despite finger lengths being non-uniform across humanity. I will shed a single tear for the olde ginger bakers though


QizilbashWoman

it's like up to the first knuckle above the rice. i did it so well my singaporean ex used to come over to my dorm room in college and ask me to put the right quantities in. And that's it. She was clearly annoyed about it but *I made perfect rice* and she wasn't going to let our brutal breakup stop her from snacks. (I am not inclined to bitterness, so I was fine with it, all I did was wash my hands well and add a little water to rice.)


PsychicDelilah

What if your 2023 recipe says "medium-high heat" but your stove isn't very powerful? I imagine it was much the same. (Honestly, testing a new stove by how hot it "feels" when your hand is above it isn't the worst idea!)


the_Real_Romak

Considering what we just read, they'd likely either use a different timing method, or vary the recipe to fit the timing method. In essence, they adapt accordingly :)


Conciouswaffle

Thermometers invented 50 years early because God gets sick of having to answer all these prayers


TerraSollus

“Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as—why the fuck is it not hot yet? I should’ve been done by name!” “Oh, sorry that’s my bad!” “YEOWCH!”


scienceguy2442

You can say the same for a lot of native american medicines too for the record -- they knew a ton about what plants helped with what diseases.


Kanexan

If you've ever heard bad-faith discourse about the term, this stuff is what 'indigenous knowledge' *actually means*. Like when people say we should be taking indigenous knowledge into consideration in matters like forest conservation in the Great Lakes region, it's not "the Michigan Department of the Environment must acknowledge the objective truth of the Ojibwe creation myths", it's "hey, this group of people have been using and cultivating this exact area's ecology for 15 centuries, they probably have good ideas on how to do things like firebreaks and tree cultivation that we should listen to."


scienceguy2442

If you haven’t read “Braiding Sweetgrass,” the author goes into a ton of examples of this (and I’m using the plural “you” here to anyone reading this. Another great example of this (that I don’t think the author talks about) is the fact that native tribes out west have been practicing controlled burns for thousands of years, and when they stopped being able to we get the wildfire issues we have now. It’s a myth that the Americas were wilderness before my (white) people got here — they were cultivating the land, just not in the traditional European way. You can tell because when we stopped doing what the natives did there were clear effects on the environment.


Kanexan

Exactly! I'll add that book to my reading list too, thanks for the recommendation.


QizilbashWoman

this is why tickborne diseases are an actual *epidemic* in New England, true facts.


agnes_mort

I think we're having that same issue in Aus. I think that they've started consulting with elders over it for firebreaks. Another semi tangential one- when Lindy Chamberlain's child disappeared, she wasn't believed that a Dingo could actually take her baby. Turns out, if you asked the people who actually lived there, the Dingos were getting much more aggressive and could easily do so. There was an aboriginal tracker who was part of the search party and they got ignored about following Dingo tracks that looked like they were carrying a heavy object.


peeleee

Oh, I’ve never heard of this story. It’s fascinating, thanks for mentioning it


[deleted]

same with ayurvedic medicine - obv modern medicine trumps most of the traditional healing methods, but tbh those old ways of doing it aren’t terrible. our ancestors weren’t stupid, just ignorant


Comprehensive-Fail41

Yeah. IIRC there's a field of study in modern medicine which is about looking at old traditional medicine, finding what works, and essentially distilling it "Oh, the people here has been chewing a certain plant as a pain killer? Let's take a look at the plant... And oh! there's a painkilling compound here! Let's distill it into medicine!" (And that kids, is more or less how we got heroin)


KingfisherArt

I like my cozy, rooty tastes, so I always have some clove in my kitchen, but I don't get sick often and have high pain tolerance, so I don't always have painkillers. As you can imagine there was quite a few times I used chewed cloves to deal with something like a toothache and it surprisingly works great.


NuderWorldOrder

Eugenol (which is basically clove oil) is used a fair amount in dentistry. Disclaimer: Do no put straight clove oil in your mouth, it's too strong and will cause chemical burns.


ShebanotDoge

Bright side, you won't notice your toothache anymore


lovecraft112

I can't eat cloves anymore after they packed the sockets with clove oil soaked gauze after my wisdom teeth extraction. My mouth tasted like christmas' ass for a week.


redheadphones1673

Cloves steeped in hot water is a great remedy for stuffy noses and sore throats. Works better than vaporub and tastes lovely.


[deleted]

my parents actually use cloves as a painkiller and as mouth freshener


SoriAryl

When got dry socket after getting my wisdom teeth removed, my dentist shoved clove covered gauze into the gums because of the pain. I STILL can’t stand the taste of cloves because that’s all I could taste for the week


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QizilbashWoman

You have to be careful with valerian because people are already on anxiety/depression meds and valerian interacts badly with benzos, barbiturates or central nervous system (CNS) depressants, and also things like Saint Johns Wort and melatonin.


Turbogoblin999

There are parts of south america where they still chew coca leaves for oral pain relief.


brittemm

AND also an extremely effective remedy for altitude sickness; a quick, pick-me-up energy boost (similar to, but better than, coffee/caffeine for fatigue) and to ward off hunger pains! *plant magic*


TheBalrogofMelkor

Ethnobotany


Isaac_Chade

The big problem with all of this stuff is that reasoned and intelligent investigation tends to get overshadowed by the scammers and conartists using appeals to ancient wisdom and the like to sell anything from useless nothings to toxic crap. So everything gets bundled together. Homeopathy, ayurvedic, native american, asian and middle eastern stuff, actual straight poison, and everything gets the same bad rap.


dgaruti

they also didn't have chemistry and basically unlimited power , if we find a way to syntesize a compound we can make it on a higher scale that harvesting a reasonable amount of a likely slow reproducing plant ... it also emits more CO2 , and requires horrible mining conditions and enviromental destruction ... but each society has it's tradeoffs ...


taichi22

Should look into that more myself. For my part I’m saving this image in case shit hits the fan and I need to treat an infection without access to internet or modern medicine. Useful little tidbit, this.


definitely_zella

A long read, but a good one. That eye salve thing is fascinating.


mrducky80

As always take the in vitro medicine results with a grain of salt for actual medicinal applications. Like the tumblr person said, its cytotoxic it kills tissue and bacteria. The bleach you have at home does the same. A gun shot does the same. Neither are applicable at treating a MRSA infection in a person. There are a lot of things that can kill MRSA in vitro but dont have a good effect in vivo or with people. You will always see the fantastical headline of X pharmaceutical kills cancer, stops this bacteria and destroys the virus and then you find out its limited to use in a petri dish, often at an absurd concentration or its also incredibly toxic to humans but that requires further knowledge and usually its an important stepping stone of developing a compound that is more useful. Some of the headlines are well deserved. Its just that the majority of the headline stealers are functionally scientifically illiterate in their understanding of what was actually researched.


CopperAndLead

Directly from the study the post references: > Thus, while there is some interbatch variability in activity, Bald’s eyesalve shows potential as an antistaphylococcal agent in vivo. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4542191/ So, there's something to it, and the recipe must be follow pretty closely, but it needs more study.


Darthplagueis13

OK, the french are bad for my health, got it.


LuigiP16

I mean, that just goes without saying


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lugialegend233

I'm still making fun of the French, regardless of social faux pas.


Darthplagueis13

Well, "gauche" is a french leanword, so that should tell you everything you need to know in that regard.


Zepangolynn

The fact that both sinister and gauche mean "left": poor lefties just never catch a break.


scienceguy8

I'll never make fun of the French for "losing" World War II or being hesitant about getting involved in the Second Gulf War. Anything else? Fair game.


little-ass-whipe

I mean leaving the Ardennes wide open and taunting Germans from the Maginot line is a *little* funny, but I'm well aware that I say that with the hindsight of someone for who has never seen generationally traumatic static warfare play out of a global scale (yet), and who regards mechanized infantry and logistics in the context of maneuver warfare as a matter of course.


the_Real_Romak

No societal norm will ever convince me to not make fun of the Fr\*nch. The only thing worse than a Frenchman is *two* Frenchmen >:(


Ghnol

Nobody told you to eat them. Just bury them next to the russians...


lordpascal

🤣😭


cedness

ok sothat study with the eyesalve was done in 2015and was pretty successful in eliminating MRSA in culture, synthethic models and in mice off course just cause it works in vitro doesnt mean its gonna work in vivo as wellbut its progress


FancyRatFridays

Sure--and a good point to keep in mind--but just try convincing an ethics review board to let you do a clinical trial of this. "...why are all the citations in your "Justification" section written in Anglo-saxon?"


rc-135

snobbish bells carpenter zesty wipe ancient station fanatical dog childlike *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


cedness

fair.... but afaik with the highly resistant MRSA variants so far the only treatment is either hoping your immune system can handle it or to use bacteriophages which are difficult to get the specific ones you need (so probably also expensive) and only available/legal in some countries! and we use cytotoxic substances as treatment already... its a classic case of is treating the disease worth the negatives? (liver, heart, kidney damage)


AndroidwithAnxiety

Yeah, I'd rather be alive with kidney damage than dead. You can do something about the kidneys. Can't do much about dead.


cedness

and i'd rather be dead than have to do dialysis every other week for the rest of your live


AndroidwithAnxiety

Transplants are also a possibility (admittedly not a convenient or readily available one) But, totally fair.


cedness

i mean... *points at that study* has worked before. and is fairly easy to do for a study compared to other stuff you see on pubmed


RandomGuyPii

https://xkcd.com/1217/


cedness

[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4542191/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4542191/) link to the study


TheCowOfDeath

Yeah I immediately thought of the xkcd about cancer treatments. https://xkcd.com/1217/


taichi22

Granted, that makes sense, but *it stands to reason* that it should at *least* be somewhat effective as a salve, given the, you know, original instructions?


Nuclear_Geek

In this case, killing MRSA isn't any more impressive than killing "standard" staphylococcus aureus. MRSA can be tricky to treat because it's evolved resistance to a lot of antibiotics, but this treatment is killing it by a different method to antibiotics.


LordGoose-Montagne

This ain't even a wall of text anymore, it's a fucking SPIRE of text. Also what is magic if not science about things you can't explain?


rex_dart_eskimo_spy

It's a leechbook of text


Ebin_Gamerlol

It's 736x18909 pixels


oobey

[I present to you the modern desktop web browsing experience.](https://i.imgur.com/nEfDEc4.png)


MyDogsNameIsToes

And I thought I was having a hard time with mobile...


LordGoose-Montagne

This looks even funnier from mobile


TheTownHeifer

“What, it’s just an ordinary Reddit po—OH MY GOODNESS”


seize_the_puppies

TLDR: * Reciting prayer was widely used as an early stopwatch for both ancient medicine and cooking (e.g. "say the Pater Noster 2x" = wait 1 minute) * You might think that the prayer timing only had a rational purpose, and no spiritual/religious one. But medieval people valued both, and didn't make that distinction like us modern atheistic people. * As evidence of how intelligent medieval people were, there's a medicine from \~1000AD that can treat MRSA (which is difficult to treat with modern medicine). It uses garlic, leeks, wine, bull stomach acid, and copper salts - all known to have antibacterial or detergent properties. * The medicine was forgotten because it was written in Anglo-Saxon - and the language of academia/medicine would soon change to Latin following the Norman invasion.


malachik

A small distinction: The solution doesn't necessarily *treat* MSRA very well, although it can *kill* the bacteria pretty well in lab tests. However, it would probably be a lot better than nothing in a real infection without modern medicine, especially in medieval times. (That's my takeaway, anyway. someone correct my errors lol)


ImmediateCourage1

Hey, we should all know about Tu Youyou! She is the first Chinese Nobel winner in medicine, and the first Chinese woman to get any Nobel. And she did it by using modern techniques to investigate recipes from Traditional Chinese Medicine. In particular, she found a 1600 year old recipe for treating malaria. From that, her lab isolated the compound artemisinin, which clinical trials revealed to be effective against a particularly nasty new form of malaria. The ancients really weren't dumb.


Palidin034

All I saw was a paragraph at first but then I clicked on the post and got blasted by a WALL of text. Good lord


chicken_irl

Classic cvs receipt Tumblr post


SpateF

It's worth it!


FabianRo

"fun LITTLE thing about medieval medicine"


Palidin034

In a similar case, I watched a video recently named “A short guide to the FNAF lore” Yeah that shit was 9 hours long. I also came out with more questions than I went in with


FabianRo

Yep, I watched "An incomplete Mario maker troll level history", 9 hours 18 minutes. And I DID think about stuff that was missing!


Palidin034

I did not know that troll Mario levels had lore, damm


FabianRo

There are trick metas that make people genuinely believe that jumping into a spike is the right solution. :D There really is a lot of history in there and it has developed a lot from the days when they were basically just shit levels, to developing one of the largest still active Mario-centered communities and sometimes putting years of effort into a product.


Secret-Ad-7909

I can’t zoom in enough to read it on my phone.


al666in

It's intended to be read as an 11 ft scroll, so...


Fussel2107

This reminds me of Moro Soup, a true life saver. literally. Professor Moro, a professor for pediatry in Germany in the early 20th century came across this old wives tale of cooking carrot soup for diarrhea. Now, diarrhea for small children is very deadly. So he sat down and tested it. And it worked! So he sat down and made it better, and it worked so extremely well that he cut the mortality rate of babies with diarrhea by almost 50%. It's fucking carrot soup!!! It works better than common antibiotics. Or other medication. Current theory is that the sugars in the carrots break down when cooked for more than an hour (when they turn sweet) and those saccharides resemble the mucous membrane in the intestines and have bacteria bind to them to the be flushed out. So, when you have diarrhea, make yourself a pot of Prof. Moro'sche carrot soup. It works miracles according to my last bout with food poisoning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Moro


BuffaloMonk

That's amazing!


a4techkeyboard

We still use similar timekeeping methods to this day such as for handwashing by using songs like the Happy Birthday song or using the beat of Staying Alive for chest compressions.


zCiver

You know suddenly all the Warhammer 40K techpriest reciting incantations over their computers sounds just a bit more reasonable.


ClubMeSoftly

"Strike the rune of activation" is step, like, 10


kilroy000

It is my belief that their binharic hymns are just dial-up noses.


The_MadMage_Halaster

Yep, pretty much. I once played a Dark Heresy game as a tech priest and had a lot of fun referencing real scientific or mechanical functions as pseudo-religious nonsense. Me and the GM developed a whole cant for it, it was hilarious. The looks on the other players' faces when I hot-wired a car while singing a manporor-damned nursery-rhyme was hilarious. "The ignition wire goes in the relay cord, the gear shift connects to the mother-board, the spark drive connects to the- oh, I've found problemet!" *VROOM* He was a Swedish techpriest by the way, recruited from Fenrisian serfs on a Space Wolf battlebarge due to his natural skill with machines at a young age. He was thus apprenticed into the Mechanicus, after being ritually-cleansed for all his unintentional tech-heresy of course. He later got recruited along with the rest of the party by Inkvisitionen (as he calls them) after being some of the few survivors of a ship that was eaten by a strange spacial phenomenon.


-TheDyingMeme6-

And the several hours of mechanical organs playing to appease the machine spirit, and the scented inscense


NuclearTurtle

I just want to add that the whole thing about medieval doctors keeping time by using well-known prayers whose rhythm and pacing would be familiar to just about anybody, that stuff is still used in modern medicine today. You go take a first aid class tomorrow and they'll tell you that when you're doing CPR you should time your chest compressions to Staying Alive or I Will Survive or a number of other popular songs in the range of 100-120 bpm. When I was in elementary school they taught us to sing Happy Birthday while washing out hands to make sure we'd wash them for the right amount of time. It turns out music is still the best way for people to intuitively understand specific frequencies or lengths of time.


captain_borgue

One of the things that is most frustrating about studying history, is that modern humans seem to think that everyone who was alive before electricity just sat on their asses all day, every day, staring at a dirt floor and drooling quietly. Like... fuckin' *no?* They were out *doing stuff*. Peasant farmers in the medieval ages worked *less* than modern office drones, while at the same time didn't have any of our distractions. So that means they had to *go do other shit*. And that holds true for *every human ever to exist*.


brittommy

Can't read this at all on mobile without like downloading the image I guess. What happened to people separating these into multiple images instead of one unreasonably long one?


Splatfan1

when theyre separated sometimes they dont display fully and you have to load each individual one in a different tab on pc, its annoying as hell. no idea how that is on mobile


the_goblin_empress

If there are multiple on mobile you just click the image and swipe to go through the stack. It’s way better than whatever this is.


evanescent_ranger

? I'm on mobile and I was able to read the whole thing


brittommy

web browser or the app? I'm just using android chrome


-TheDyingMeme6-

Saame


SnooMaps9397

My mother told me she used to sing the "Ave Maria" while she was turning on the gas stove in the flat she had as an apprentice, because it took ages to finally keep burning without the starter. She never measured the exact time it took, but she knew after singing the eternally long "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaveeeeeeeeeeeeee Maaaaaaaaariiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaa" it was enough time to let go.


CMDRZhor

Note about the eye salve in the same vein, I believe they first tried making it with modem lab equipment and it didn't work. Then they tried it with 'a brazen vessel' and had a much more pronounced effect, thanks to the copper reaction.


Trogdor6135

People finding a thread related to their thesis and excitedly shotgunning information is my favorite topic on tumblr


mcjunker

In the army, they teach you to time short bursts from a machine gun along the cadence “*die motherfucker die*” to get the ideal amount of suppressive fire that can be sustained over time without running out of ammo


deceasedglute

Shortest tumblr screenshot


miguescout

Okay, i did NOT expect to see Nanny ogg's cookbook here. It completely ruined the mood of the post for me from a serious-ish one to a quasi-joke


AtheistCarpenter

To be honest, I'm slightly disappointed someone didn't mention Terry Pratchett's Nation. There's a scene that describes using a rhyme/incantation as a timing device which actually becomes important for the plot later on, so I won't spoil it .


catbiskits

Yes, I thought of that straight away! There’s so much folkloric and historical detail in his work, no way he didn’t have some of this context.


LOLinternetLOL

Just thought about pantaloon birds and chuckled to myself. Such a good book.


LOLinternetLOL

It's embarrassing how excited I got seeing Nanny Ogg's cookbook referenced. Was expecting some highly suggestive medieval lore or ancient aphrodisiac recipes to come up after that.


miguescout

And that's exactly why referencing it ruined the post's mood for me. Even without the suggestive stuff being here, i've been Pavlov'd into feeling it


Thunderdrake3

Reminds me of the people who would grind up the bones of their enemies into their iron swords to enchant them. It worked. That is, the carbon in the bones created a primitive steel, so the "enchanted" swords were tougher, sharper, and lighter than the other iron ones. There are still things, to this day, that people dismiss as "superstition". But hey, if it works, it works.


Dagreifers

Shortest r/tumblr post.


Dracorex_22

Basically used for a similar reason that we teach young kids to sing the Birthday song twice when washing their hands. Its something well known to most people irrelevant of whether they are literate, is spoken with a specific cadence, and holds an important significance so it would be taken more seriously (albeit less so for impatient children who try to sing the birthday song really fast so they spend less time handwashing, than to a god-fearing medieval person reciting a prayer).


Great_Hamster

"This is your birthday song! It isn't very long."


royalPawn

> I know that church bells were definitely used as timekeepers Isn't that...what they're for?


FixedKarma

Hey gang is it worth the read?


Draumal

If you like medical / historical nerdery, absolutely


Tbug20

Hmmm I wonder what this tumblr thread is abou- OH MY GOD


Fine-Afternoon-36

My favorite thing about this sub is opening a seeming normal image and getting a whole written documentary


SleepyBi97

In 2020 there came a great plague that swept across the continents. People were encouraged while cleaning and doing household tasks to chant a song bringing in their next Birthday so they might live another year


LinaHime

Someone's gotta make 'where has all the custard gone' to the tune of 'i need a hero' please and thank you very much


emmakobs

I mean we tell people to wash their hands for two Happy Birthdays so how can we judge


TalibanwithaBaliTan

I’m on bed-rest after a surgery, and boy was that a fascinating read! Looks like this Alice is about to stumble down the rabbit hole for a couple of hours!!


whycanticantcomeup

Oh hey a long Tumblr thread that doesn't have a part that I just absolutely hate. Nice


Nezeltha

Reminds me of an ancient recipe for hormone therapy that's still in use today. We don't know for sure what it was used for originally. It may have been used by people who today we would call transfeminine people to transition. It may have been used as birth control, or as treatment for menopause issues. That last one is what this same medicine(with more modern production methods) is used for today. But we still know the basic recipe that's probably thousands of years old: aromatic herbs(the smellier, the better, you'll see why), wood ashes, and urine from a pregnant horse. The modern version of the medicine uses fancy synthetic materials instead of ashes, and does chemistry stuff to it all to make it safer and less gross, but the source of estrogen is the same. And it still goes by a name based on that source of estrogen. PREgnant MAre's urINe. Premarin.


avspuk

When Fall fans would give directions from the train station or whatever to the forthcoming gig venue walking distances were given in terms of assorted specific bits of Fall songs. This was easy as many Fall songs have an extremely steady walking/striding beat. Prime example, Blindness https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eQPoVNrCZTk


GreyInkling

There have been a lot of clickbait titled documentaries and articles about Isaac Newton suggesting he was into mysticism and alchemy and not a real scientist. But yeah. In his day that was science. Chemistry didn't exist. Only alchemy. He believed strongly that all the sciences and mathematics were connected and from his perspective hos religious beliefs fwll into that too. So he studied all of them and wrote on them. He discovered so many things. He conteadicted the belief of the time for how light worked and using that knowledge created a mirror telescope a fraction of the size but many times the strength of existing lens telescopes. So of course he tried to figure out what was actually true with alchemy and of course he looked for some link to the spiritual. He looked at least. Looking is what science is about. So yeah we need to ditch the 20th century snobbery of "they couldn't possibly have known anything worthwhile back then" because progress is not a linear thing accross all time and cultures. Knowledge is gained and lost. Someone could have no knowlege outside of superstitious remedies but one of those might have been a long time leftover from someone who actually cared for real reaults. It's worth a look.


nono66

It always amazes me to think we are still walking around with the same basic stuff as a species as we were 1000+ years ago. Sure, something like the way we walk might have changed due to wearing shoes but it's all the same, same brain, heart, skin, etc.


_Halt19_

holy christ alive I’m on mobile and saw it wasn’t the full image so I opened it to read what I assumed would be a sentence or two of context WHY IS IT SO HUGE


Cavanaughty

Because thesis papers have to go somewhere after they're turned in for review. Usually they're spewed on Tumblr when the Dr is summoned by the vague topic they wrote about. Like magic they pop into existence like a toddler who learned how to do the Vulcan 🖖 hand thing and want to show you. Albeit with more big words.


MostRefinedCrab

I would just like to say that George Washington died because 4 different doctors showed up and just went "You know what his problem is? He's got too much blood."


PredicBabe

I mean, at the time of my grandmother, in my country cooking time was still calculated in Our Father's and Hail Mary's


speedyrain949

Good heavens that is a lot of text


M3lon_Lord

mucho texto


sianrhiannon

can someone send me the link to the tumblr post so I don't have to screenshot the screenshot


LittleMlem

I mean, we still do this. During the pandemic a way to keep time to know you washed your hand long enough was to sing the opening verse to the black parade. Am I the only one that did it? From "when I was a young boy" till "the beaten and the damned" is about 20 seconds


JustTrxIt

absolutely fantastic post but there is one thing that annoys the heck out of me ​ of course church bells were used for timekeeping they still are, just go to any place with a church as someone who continually forgets their phone or watch, church bells and clocks on church towers are life savers one chime for :15, two for :30, three for :45 and four + the full hour with a different bell (sometimes the am/pm in a light pitch and the additional needed for the accurate 24 hour time in a deeper pitch)


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also, shit like this is why ancient brahman priests were able to memorize the orally-transmitted bhagavad gita, which is like a 4 hour read at 250 wpm, or how homer was able to recite the illiad/odyssey, its so much easier to memorize a song than it is to just memorize text


carlitayeeta

I didn’t even read this but it always shocks me when I click on a post like this and a fucking MILE of text and image appears. No way am I reading all that but I appreciate it.


Cherabee

tldr: prayers were timekeeping pieces, an old medicine can kill antibiotic resistant mrsa staph, so do not underestimate humanity's intelligence.


BigMickPlympton

I reacted the same way, but I'm at lunch and bored, so sure fuck it, and dug in. No joke, it was totally worth the read.


samamp

i remember hearing about a written down recipe for cooking something but instead of saying how many minutes you have to do something they use a song and prayers


eastherbunni

That's this post


longstrokesharpturn

Who's got time to read that jeez


leedsvillain

Heavy Mechanicus Breathing


GardevoirRose

I ain’t reading all that.


StayFrosty2120

Gamer, I am NOT reading all of that


ghostuser689

I ain’t reading all that. RedditGPT, can you summarize it for me?


agprincess

Honestly as usual, this tumblr post needs way more citations and so many of the things people are preaching are questionable at best. Is copper induced cytotoxicity really that amazing of a discovery? Is time keeping with chants, prayers, and songs really that surprising or are you all just disconnected from traditional life?


Cavanaughty

Oh stop being a turd. They wrote their thesis on this topic. Do you expect them to dredge up their thesis paper and copy the works cited page for a Tumblr post?


Zykeroth

This..this is good civilization.


dragonlord7012

tl;dr- It's the French's fault. (I'm joking, thats cool man.)


copy-of-a-copys-copy

can i have the original post link?


DeltaAvacyn6248

This was fun to read.


blueminded

Huh, I wonder if they had this in mind when they named the Paternoster Gang in Doctor Who? I know it's also a place. Pretty neat easter egg if so.


Laterose15

I highly recommend the book *Witches, Midwives, and Nurses* by Barbara Ehrenreich. It goes into the history of the divide between traditional and conventional medicine.


gunscreeper

I used to do this with Digimon theme song


DragonRoar87

seeing that behemoth of text was like getting hit with a flash grenade and seeing the true form of god


roses_and_daisies

This is fascinating! What a wonderful post, it made my whole day a little better!


Eating_Kaddu

I like the part about the relationship to religion the medieval Christians had... It reminds me of Islam today, how Muslims believe that it is not just a belief or faith, but a way of life. We try to live our lives around the principles of Islam, balance the physical and the spiritual together. Like, my grandparents will be walking and then suddenly say a short prayer. Before leaving the house my mum says a prayer, she says it keeps her safe from accidents while driving. If my dad wakes up at night he'll sleepily say zikr or the kalma and then go back to sleep. My friends have favourite prayers and favourite ayaat from the Quran that help them when they're feeling down or help them feel grateful. There are prayers that I say before every exam, when I come back home, when I suddenly remember that the lady in the house across the street passed away. I feel like medieval Christianity must have been similar, idk.


justendmylife892

That story at the end is actually something I've discussed before to explain why people are working to try and integrate more advanced modern medicine and traditionalist precolonial practices in my countries. A lot of people think that not just ignoring all the experienced sangomas and amxhwele in my country is out of pity for the sake of humoring them, but those people never seem to remember that those people have the same goals as any doctor with a degree. Medical practitioners all over the world have been working for thousands of years to advance the craft of helping people. They may not understand all the intricacies of what they're doing, but a sangoma in the middle of nowhere doesn't have that luxury, so they stick to doing what works. Most modern medicine is leaps and bounds more effective than their traditional equivalent, but my country is 1. very rural and 2. has a lot of poverty. Once again, a lot of people don't have the luxury of access to aid like that. While traditional practices aren't the most effective, they've been honed over millennia of experimentation and practice to be as *practical* as possible. Giving such practices more support means that people who don't live in big towns as middle-class citizens can still receive aid. It would be foolhardy to leave millions of people unattended simply because we don't want to find someone who's dedicated their career to learning practices with thousands of years of refinement behind them.


green_bean_lord

how did you get the image so long?!?!?!


TheEmeraldMaster1234

I am not going to read a single word of that


Piorn

I have gained newfound appreciation for human history.


TheTownHeifer

I was not ready for the size of this fucking post lmao. Literal jumpscare


Shot-A-Man-In-Reno

When I opened this post I could hear megalith from ace combat 4 playing in my mind


SyrusDrake

At some point, we just gotta post links to epub files.


lordpascal

Nothing like good old leech medicine [Medieval medicine #shorts by @Stanzipotenza (youtube short video)](https://youtube.com/shorts/Yi12eNNiqos?si=-UDv-nYlAqmR-W9K)