As a white latina, it never occurred to me while watching big hero 6 that she was anything but anglo american(edit, in case anyone else wants to be pedantic, like they don’t know the biggest countries in north america speak english). Again, as a white latina, born and raised (and for better or worse still living) in south america who absolutely adores this movie, I wish they had gone with some of the other concept art they had for her where she was tanner, or had brown hair. Even if she was still a white latina with green eyes, it would make her a little more relatable.
Bruh not even a need for that in my opinion. All she needed is a quick call to her mom/sister/fam in Spanish. That's it, 5 sec scene. They just didn't make an effort and slapped "latina" race on her.
I have never felt racially offended until I read the phrase “white passing latina” and people said I had a “jewfro” through high school. Is the european ancestry of latinos not valid? You are not a “real white person” because you we’re born someplace they speak spanish or portuguese? In an effort to not make them “no less latino” you make them white passing?
White and latino are not exclusive terms.
It’s a North American gringo shit. If you’re not 100% european (even if you are the whitest mf to have ever walked this planet) they’ll still say if you’re latino, you’re not white.
Also, the whole “being latino is a race” thing. anything to not call second generation immigrants and onwards “american” (which we all are btw, latin america is still in america)
They've done it to pretty much every European that didn't have a direct line to Hapsburg or was full on English (even then the Welsh & Scottish were second class).
Irish, Italian, Polish, People of the Balkans etc weren't considered white just north of a hundred years ago. If you look at the great war (WW1) it really seems like you had to be of an ethnic nationality that fell under the widely intermingled European nobility (like Germany, Russia, or England).
White's always been more based in pedigree than melanin to the ultra elite of Europe. Typical othering tactics by those in power.
It's like if you say "pain bread" or "chai tea" to a French or Indian, they would correct you and it would be funny because they're French or Indian, and it would be relatable for those viewers.
It's not as funny if they're just normal people who happen to know french or hindi.
Chai tea isn't the same as the Mi Casa joke because saying Mi Casa is French for front door is just straight up wrong while the word Chai in English has shifted to refer to a specific flavor regardless of meaning "tea" in another language
Chai tea is exactly analogous to how "salsa" in the US refers to one specific kind of food you typically eat with tortilla chips but the actual word just means "sauce" in Spanish. So if you asked a Spanish speaker for some sauce, expecting tortilla dunking sauce with tomato chunks, they would just look at you funny expecting you to explain what sort of sauce you were asking for. Tomato sauce? Cheese sauce? Some other kind of sauce?
Who even knows what they call American salsa in not-the-US.
In reality I'm sure they know what the gringo means when he asks for "sauce" like it's one specific food, but that just makes it worse.
>Who even knows what they call American salsa in not-the-US.
I'm not a Spanish speaker, but since no one else has commented on this, I believe the thing Americans think of as salsa is referred to in Mexico as salsa roja, meaning "red sauce", similar to salsa verde, "green sauce".
Of course there's more than one way to make salsa roja with regional variations and such, but as a catch-all term I believe that's what they call it. But again I invite someone with more knowledge than me to chime in on it.
No, it's not redundant. It's just wrong and that's why it's funny. He's a big idiot with a massive house that doesn't even know that "mi casa" is Spanish for my house and not French.
Why is the comment section and original post having so much trouble with this?
Kinda related but at a museum here in Canada, I saw a sign under some exhibit just simply [Wood | Bois ]
And I pointed it out to my girlfriend and said Wood *Boiiiiiiiis* like idk. Smol animal being a good boi kinda boi.
I don't speak or read French. So me not realizing it was just Wood | Wood was pretty hysterical to her.
Honestly same; given that she's the only one who pronounces Hiro's Japanese name "properly" (for lack of a better word, hopefully you know what I mean), I just assumed she was multilingual.
Learning she's Latina doesn't surprise me though.
I mean I don't understand Spanish, never gotten any lessons in it, never been to a Spanish speaking place or talked to a native Spanish speaker.
But just through cultural osmosis I know what that phrase means.
It's a good line and it works very well with her character - the delivery would have to be pretty different if it had been any of the other characters saying it, in order to fit with their personalities. But this has very little to do with her being Latina and way more to do with being an intelligent, caring and not overly confrontational character.
That said I do feel like honey lemon being Latina was basically just tossed out there for diversity points. Not that she should be a stereotype, but if it was something they had planned why didn't it come through in anything? There is absolutely nothing in the movie that points in that direction. They could just as well have said she was of Scandinavian descent and they wouldn't have to change anything in the movie as is to accommodate that.
It's not like it's a thing from the comics. In the comics her real name is Aiko Miyazaki and she's supposedly 100% Japanese although it's not really explained why someone Japanese would have blonde hair, blue eyes and a European skin tone.
Either way it's not like the comics really matter here, they were pretty bad, short lived and Disney wisely chose to only use them as a very rough source of inspiration, my point was just that her being Latina is something they made up for the movie.
I'd like to add that they are in California. You don't grow up in California without knowing at least *some* basic Spanish. We used to be Mexico, half the cities still have Spanish names, every city has at least 1 Mexican restaurant that doesn't bother with an English menu. If he lived anywhere in the bay area he should know better.
That came later though, It was already an established San Francisco and only became San Fransokyo after it was destroyed in an earthquake and rebuilt by Japanese immigrants. The fact it was already San Francisco means that spanish/mexican influence was already deep in the region, and while the city specifically may be more Japanese now there's no reason to think it applies to the rest of California.
> The fact it was already San Francisco means that spanish/mexican influence was already deep in the region
To be fair, there's also plenty of French founded cities that have very little to none French influence in them, e.g. Chicago or Detroit.
Even the "French" district of New Orleans is actually Spanish architecture built during the Spanish administration of the colony.
I have no idea what direction the comment section will take today, but I want to point out something very important:
Tigres Del Norte are complete bangers.
I think the complaint is that you shouldn't have to paint a character as a cartoony stereotype of something for them to be said thing. Like, if you introduce a Japanese character, do they have to be wearing a Kimono and Ketas and eating everything with chopsticks and carrying a Katana everywhere?
Also. Completely unrelated, but... It might be an issue with regional language, but I don't think you use guapo to describe music, at least guapas since the tunes are plural and canciones or rolas are femenine
Amazon prime actually just dropped a documentary on them, I haven't seen it yet but might give it a watch given how large a part they played in my childhood. Middle school summer breaks spent working with the old man while he would blast their tracks on an thumping subwoofer from the back of his truck. Funny, the things that you reminisce over once you get older.
>Like, if you introduce a Japanese character, do they have to be wearing a Kimono and Ketas and eating everything with chopsticks and carrying a Katana everywhere?
...the main character is a spikey, dark haired haired 14 yr old Japanese boy named Hiro Hamada, who lives in San Frys*okyo*, is interested in underground robot fighting, and the antagonist runs around in a kabuki mask
Having literally any characteristic associated with a group isn't using a stereotype, however.
Her appearance is closer to a German than to the vast majority of the Latino population, her speech shows no accent or slang, literally nothing of her character shows any affiliation to Latino populations.
To give a comparison, I'll use myself. I'm a Brazilian man, but my great-grandfather was a German refugee from WWII. I'm dark skinned, dark haired, used to know a bit of German from my childhood but that's the only German-ish cultural characteristic passed down my family. Would you say I'm a German-brazilian (they're a thing, mostly in the south), or just someone of distant German descent?
Edit: and since several people asked, it is pretty unlikely that my great-grandfather was a Nazi. He fled Germany before the war, then fled France during the war, then came to Brazil. My grandma had a New Christian surname, so great-greamps either was a married a new Christian. It's more likely that he was fleeing the Nazi regime than fleeing from the Nazi defeat.
Edit 2: so... It's been brought to my attention that i come from one of the hottest, driest regions in south America (the only part that's worse is literally a desert). It's likely that me, and nearly everyone i interacted with, had a permanent tan and didn't notice. So when foreigners said people i classified as white were dark skinned, maybe they were actually talking about said permanent tan. I go back on my statement on skin color.
It isn’t a stereotype but those characteristics don’t have to be made abundantly clear so she can be considered Latina. She doesn’t have to eat tacos everyday and listen to corenos.
I’ll use myself as an example to. I was born in Mexico and came to the US when I was still a toddler. Speaking mostly English at school and with friends I don’t really have much of an accent , and my Spanish honestly sounds like I’m white. But I’m pure blooded Mexican. I’m Latino even if I don’t have an accent or slang.
I feel you, the other day I saw someone get confused by the fact that you can be white and from Latin American.
Source: I'm argentinean, white as bread with Italian and Spanish ancestors, still Latino as far as I'm concerned.
No, he wasn't a Nazi. He left Germany during Nazi rule but before the war, and either married a New Christian, or was one himself, given Grandma's surname. It's more likely that he was running away from Nazi rule than a Nazi himself.
> Edit: Furthermore, me gusta la biblioteca de cervesas que tiene tiburones y ormigas (2 years of high school Spanish, woot!)
*Cervezas
*Hormigas
other than that, pretty good! The sentence doesn't make any sense, but it's properly articulated lmao
Your first sentence means "I like the library of beers that has sharks and ants"
The second one means "I like the milk of the racoon, dady"
I'm Latin American and you scare me, sir.
(I know you are yoking, just putting this for those who don't know Spanish).
My Spanish is poor enough that I don't know the translation for the second to last word there, so I'm just going to assume it means sippy cup and go on about my day.
Knew a guy while I was in the army named Gonzalez, when he said he real first name was Speedy everyone called bullshit. Even after I saw his ID I couldn't believe it. He said Speedy was a family favorite and he really liked the name.
Fun fact, the name Espiridion, pronounced Eh-s-pi-ri-de-on, used to be a common latine name (mostly in Mexico. It died down through out the years but their nickname was Speedy.
Extra fun fact, most common Spanish names have an attached nickname. Like Ignacio is Nacho, Jesus is Chuy, Alicia is Licha , Eduardo is Lalo, Luis is Wicho and so on.
Also Fernando is Nando, Ramon is Monche, Rosario is Charo and Jesus can be Chucho too.
Another fun fact: nachos, the ones you eat in teathers, were invented by Ignacio Anaya, who had the nickname Nacho. And his dish was 'Nacho's special', then it shortened to just 'Nachos'
Invented in Piedras Negras, Coahuila! My Mexican home town! The rumored story is that a regular customer came in with 2 American tourists and asked for something new to snack on, so Mr Anaya whipped up Nachos for the very first time.
I heard that you guys are very proud of that story. Also the version I knew is that he invented them for some soldier's wives from a near militar base, but who knows.
The Nacho Chip is actually the city’s mascot lol even has two Jalapeños that form a mustache and cowboy boots. And could be, Fort Duncan in Eagle pass was kinda booming in 1943-67. If I’m not mistaken by the 70-80’s that’s when it started shifting to Del Río rather than Eagle Pass. Fort Duncan is mostly rubble and some walls .
Mexican here and we used to love that mouse so much that in the 70s one of our comedians did a live action inspired by it and to top it off in the movie his super speed was powered by eating chiles, I loved that movie when I was a kid.
https://imdb.com/title/tt0321594/
I think it's important that Speedy is the hero and always wins. Plus there's no real stereotypes the character invokes. Speedy's traits are he's smart, kind, funny, heroically helpful and super fast. He just also happens to be a mouse from Mexico and dresses and talks like the 1950s USA's idea of a Mexican.
Now his cousin the slow, lazy dim-witted mouse who talks and dresses the same could be a problem. But I don't think people ever think about that character.
Dimwitted? Don't slander my boy [Slowpoke Rodriguez](https://youtu.be/oZ0JUVd-iQU) like that.
He may be slow in the feet, but he's quick in the head.
And he packs a gun.
Actually, the whole "Speedy depicted racist by white academics" thing is a product of misinformation. I saw this idea pop up a lot and decided to actually do a deep dive into the history. Heads up, bit a of a info drop below:
So back in the late 90s, Cartoon Network aired Loony Toons regularly. As many are probably aware, there are a lot of racist depictions in the earlier cartoons from Black face to very stereotyped Native depictions, etc; The Speedy cartoons were definitely no exception, where the background was riddled with very stereotypical slow and drunk Mexicans in the background, and the such.
Cartoon Network just chose to not air the overtly racist shorts, but for Speedy, it's a lot more heavy in the background so they would carefully edit the Speedy cartoons to remove the depictions. This was understandingly very time consuming and expensive to do. At the time, Speedy had low ratings anyway, so Cartoon Network opted to just shelve the shorts entirely in 1999.
This didn't become a large concern until years later during a 2002 Fox News Interview when a CN Spokeswoman brought up how Speedy was removed because of Ethic stereotypes. It was misconstrued branding that CN removed Speedy because Speedy himself was a racist stereotype. This domino'd into Latin Americans pushing heavily for Speedy to be brought back on air, and it resulted in Speedy having consistently high ratings afterwards.
This whole movement was successful, but it was something much of the general public--who weren't involved in the event--even knew about until fairly recently. This was because just a couple of years ago, many Right-Wing outlets brought up the Speedy cancellation incident as evidence for "Cancel culture trying to get rid of Speedy because they think Speedy is racist". Of which, now seems to be a widely pushed for opinion, instead of what actually went down about 2 decades ago.
Please understand this is happening in almost every area that conservative/fascists/regressivists argue about.
The "look how stupid my kid's public school teacher is" posts that seem to conveniently trend when vouchers are being discussed, is another great example.
The whole "latinx" thing, when cons tried to say "libs are so full of themselves they invented gendered language that doesn't even fit with that language!" Except it wasn't the libs who created it. It was the actual professors in Mexican universities who initially invented it, and libs who said "yeah that'd a valid trustworthy source, so I'll try to use that more too."
Or how about Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren? I bet the majority of you remember it as her trying to claim benefits for being native when really she's barely a fraction native. Only that's never been what happened. She was told by her family that one of her great grandparents had some native heritage, and she put that info on voluntary race identification. Cons picked this up and tried to run with "this obviously white woman is disrespecting natives!" So she did the DNA taste, which confirmed, yep! Some great grandparent WAS native. Everything she said had been true! So cons pivoted to "what a laughing stock she is for thinking being only a fraction native counts", ignoring that its exactly what she said the entire time.
This is what people meant by "winning the meme war." It's not that they're funnier or have better evidence or more persuasive arguments. It's that conservatives can proliferate an idea as a joke, and have it diffuse into populations where at least SOME people will pick it up as a truth without bothering to verify. And humans, being flawed creatures we are, are really bad at remembering if something is a true fact or if it's just something we heard enough that we remember it as true.
How does her ethnic background affect the joke? Like, the joke is that he's wrong about the language and the translation. Why does her being Latina matter to the joke?
It's wild because all the kids in this movie are all like geniuses so her knowing a Spanish word isn't even that far of a stretch so her ethnicity sincerely doesn't even need to be brought up lmao
Imagine explaining (wrongly) the translation of a sentence to someone when it's their native language. I guess it adds a layer of awkwardness, and I can imagine it making it slightly disrespectful ? I won't speak for anyone tho
Sincere question: Are there a significant number of Latino/a cultures whose primary language isn't a variation on Spanish?
If there aren't then it doesn't really effect the joke, because the joke starts at the language, which would be inherently tied to Latino/a cultures, regardless of how varied those cultures are. But if there *are* other languages spoken as prominently then it would (which is why I'm asking about it, fwiw.)
To answer the original question: Being Latino/a just adds an extra layer to the joke. He's wrong about the origin, he's wrong about the meaning, he's explaining it to a native or second-language speaker. It doesn't make it less funny for not knowing; it makes it more funny for knowing.
I mean, obviously, when I go outside I wear my bunad and go grab a lutefisk and baguette (I'm part French too) for breakfast before heading to Hardanger fiddle practice. After that me and my chums go out to work, which involves going on viking raids and fishing.
Sorry, couldn't hear you over all the cattle, spur jingling, and hootenanying going on where I'm at. BRB, gonna go ride a horse to my job at the oil well.
Hmmmm, these stereotypes seem pretty important to you old chaps.
Be a shame for them to get damaged, allow me to stea… I mean, look after them in a museum.
Feel free to pop by anytime and look at them from behind a velvet rope, for a modest fee of course.
When I go outside I get colonised by the english. Later for lunch I get colonised by the english. Then I go to the park and get colonised by the english. Then I go to my work of getting colonised by the norwegians.
They tried getting rid of it cause people claimed it was racist but Mexico said nah fuck that noise we love this cartoon. Same thing with people getting outraged with Sombrero wearing Mario, as a Mexican American I fucking loved that shit
I really wanted to main Reaper or Sombra because of the mariachi and azucar skins, but neither character clicked with me play wise sadly. So they just sat there looking pretty in my collection.
From what I've seen around and from the mexicans I've spoken with, they are like the most chill people on the planet and, if anything, like their stereotypes? At the bare minimum it's spreading their idiosyncrasy, and at best it produces a charming caricature
Stereotypes exist for a reason, and aren't inherently negative, and even the negative ones you can have fun with so long people are okay with it. As a Chilean, if you show me a dictionary I'd have the same reaction as a werewolf to silver or a vampire to onions.
Actually latin america in general loves to throw stereotypes at eachother all in good fun. There's a gigantic amount of countryball memes with hispanic countries.
If there's two things anyone should know about latinos before posting online, they are:
1. Mexicans don't mind sombrero poncho stereotype, and they especially love Speedy Gonzales so don't even try and bring him up as an example of a negative.
1. Latin american countries in general don't mind stereotypes that much, is just that Mexicans are the kings of not giving a fuck about them.
2. Don't use latinx unless you wanna be crucified.
Unless people try to force us into the stereotypes or try to negate our latinidad because we don't actively participate in the stereotypes. So we love Speedy, sure, but if you expect us to all be wearing sombreros like a cartoon mouse and introduce ourselves while shaking maracas, then we'll probably talk shit lmao. Nothing worse than people trying to gatekeep what Latinos should look like or do.
That's true though, but I assumed anyone with a functioning brain wouldn't expect everyone from a specific place to look 1:1 to a conglomeration of their stereotypes 24/7
I thought the general consensus was Speedy Gonzales was *not* racist, as evidenced by the widespread Mexican/Latino protest when Cartoon Network tried to pull Speedy off the air
I'm thinking of a bunch of American sterotypes but I can't think of a single one that applies to Captain America. Mostly because American sterotypes are usually negative. I guess he wears a flag, that counts as a steroetype.
Americans being viewed as blond and blue eyed WASP guys with a name like "Steve Rogers" is a pretty prevalent stereotype in a lot of places like Japan or South America.
I mean the name "Steve Rogers" is basically the US equivalent for calling a Spanish character "Pedro Gonzalez" or a Frenchman "Pierre LeBlanc"
I love Speedy Gonzalez, but, honestly? I totally relate more to Honey. I grew up in a Latino environment, but if it weren't for my skin tone, you wouldn't be able to guess I was Latina. Even WITH my skin tone, I've shocked people when I started speaking fluent Spanish because I don't have an accent when I speak in English. For me, personally, it's a really nice representation of heavily assimilated first and second generation Latinos in the US. But that's really just my opinion based on my personal experiences.
Which is exactly why diversity in representation is great! Not everyone has the same experiences, and so having a range of characters can help people find someone they relate to and like
>Even WITH my skin tone, I've shocked people when I started speaking fluent Spanish because I don't have an accent when I speak in English
Lol, when a white person tells me "oh but you don't *look* Spanish!" in a reassuring tone of voice, I really want to punch them in the face.
Before anyone tries to give me shit because I specified white people, I just want to point out that ONLY white people have said that to me.
I'll be completely honest, for some reason I really thought she was Asian American. Although let it be known that in my opinion, the best type of representation is natural representation. This does not however discount affirmative action
I’m pretty sure even if she was Asian American, she’s living in California and would know “mi casa”. We have a massive Hispanic population. You don’t need to be Latino to know basic Spanish.
Probably because her given name in the comic the movie was based on is Aiko Miyazaki.
Granted she was drawn to look like a blond white woman so maybe she's just been mixed race since conception.
ok but isn't speedy gonzales wildly popular in latino countries
and also I had no idea she was supposed to be Latina despite having watched the movie a couple times. It seems like the second person is making a good point and the third is interpreting them as uncharitably as possible in order to claim some moral high ground.
I came here for this. Think back to the Gonzales cartoons. He's not portrayed as some negative stereotype. He is portrayed as popular, and cool, and always getting one over on people who try to hurt him and his friends. But even then he's never portrayed as an asshole.
Hell, remember the gag that popped up in a lot of his cartoons.
Mouse 1: My sister knows Speedy Gonzales.
Mouse 2: *Everybody's* sister knows Speedy Gonzales.
The whole gag there is that he's incredibly charming and that women swoon for him. The idea that he's a negative stereotype is not just oversensitivity, it's equating a portrayal of Mexicans *at all* as racist. Gonzales is an example of a character done unbelievably right.
I don't get it??? Like I feels tupid but isn't it pretty common for a "funny" character to mistake languages? Like I'm genuinely confused as to how does her being latina make the joke funnier other than she may speak Spanish.
Yeah I'm white as fuck and I knew that was wrong. How a character is presented isn't the concern here, it's taking a simple scene for a simple joke and molding it into something it was never intended to be.
If only there was a middle ground between making extremely vague references that could be easily misinterpreted like understanding basic spanish and being a walking stereotype.../s
A lot of Latinos are white, heck, I'm from Ecuador, my dad is black, my mom is a blonde with green eyes and white af. I'm also pale as a ghost but my brother is more brown. Skin color is not the same as ethnicity my friend, specially in Latin America where we got a mix of a lot of different cultures.
Yeah, they also tried to cancel Encanto for having a white character even though it's pretty common to see white people in Colombia, in conclusion, people are stupid.
This joke still works just fine if she's not latina she literally has to just know one of the most common Spanish phrases ever
And they’re all geniuses.
Except for Fred, fittingly.
Fred is easily the smartest one there. They are just his confederacy of dunces
I enjoyed that book.
So it's a safe bet then...
I just assumed she knew basic Spanish
Right? I don't really understand how you would need to know she's latina to get the joke at all lol
As a white latina, it never occurred to me while watching big hero 6 that she was anything but anglo american(edit, in case anyone else wants to be pedantic, like they don’t know the biggest countries in north america speak english). Again, as a white latina, born and raised (and for better or worse still living) in south america who absolutely adores this movie, I wish they had gone with some of the other concept art they had for her where she was tanner, or had brown hair. Even if she was still a white latina with green eyes, it would make her a little more relatable.
Bruh not even a need for that in my opinion. All she needed is a quick call to her mom/sister/fam in Spanish. That's it, 5 sec scene. They just didn't make an effort and slapped "latina" race on her.
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I have never felt racially offended until I read the phrase “white passing latina” and people said I had a “jewfro” through high school. Is the european ancestry of latinos not valid? You are not a “real white person” because you we’re born someplace they speak spanish or portuguese? In an effort to not make them “no less latino” you make them white passing? White and latino are not exclusive terms.
It’s a North American gringo shit. If you’re not 100% european (even if you are the whitest mf to have ever walked this planet) they’ll still say if you’re latino, you’re not white. Also, the whole “being latino is a race” thing. anything to not call second generation immigrants and onwards “american” (which we all are btw, latin america is still in america)
They've done it to pretty much every European that didn't have a direct line to Hapsburg or was full on English (even then the Welsh & Scottish were second class). Irish, Italian, Polish, People of the Balkans etc weren't considered white just north of a hundred years ago. If you look at the great war (WW1) it really seems like you had to be of an ethnic nationality that fell under the widely intermingled European nobility (like Germany, Russia, or England). White's always been more based in pedigree than melanin to the ultra elite of Europe. Typical othering tactics by those in power.
It's like if you say "pain bread" or "chai tea" to a French or Indian, they would correct you and it would be funny because they're French or Indian, and it would be relatable for those viewers. It's not as funny if they're just normal people who happen to know french or hindi.
Chai tea isn't the same as the Mi Casa joke because saying Mi Casa is French for front door is just straight up wrong while the word Chai in English has shifted to refer to a specific flavor regardless of meaning "tea" in another language
Personally I have my chai tea while doing my tai chi.
Chai tea is exactly analogous to how "salsa" in the US refers to one specific kind of food you typically eat with tortilla chips but the actual word just means "sauce" in Spanish. So if you asked a Spanish speaker for some sauce, expecting tortilla dunking sauce with tomato chunks, they would just look at you funny expecting you to explain what sort of sauce you were asking for. Tomato sauce? Cheese sauce? Some other kind of sauce? Who even knows what they call American salsa in not-the-US. In reality I'm sure they know what the gringo means when he asks for "sauce" like it's one specific food, but that just makes it worse.
Goddamn words meaning different things in different contexts *and different languages*. Who do they think they are?
Wait til the Spanish break out the gender context too. Shit. gets. wild! (I know other languages have it too before anyone says anything)
Remember in French moustache is feminine and the gender is not based on your gender in any way. Gendered language is so awkward to learn.
I asked a Mexican how to say ketchup in Spanish and he literally said, "Salsa Gringo."
I mean. If somebody asked me to identify "white people sauce", I would probably say ketchup, yes.
Mayo
Ranch
That's American sauce.
Excuse me, mayonnaise?
Gravy
>Who even knows what they call American salsa in not-the-US. I'm not a Spanish speaker, but since no one else has commented on this, I believe the thing Americans think of as salsa is referred to in Mexico as salsa roja, meaning "red sauce", similar to salsa verde, "green sauce". Of course there's more than one way to make salsa roja with regional variations and such, but as a catch-all term I believe that's what they call it. But again I invite someone with more knowledge than me to chime in on it.
No, it's not redundant. It's just wrong and that's why it's funny. He's a big idiot with a massive house that doesn't even know that "mi casa" is Spanish for my house and not French. Why is the comment section and original post having so much trouble with this?
It may be funnier and more relatable to those viewers but you don't NEED to be those viewers to find it funny
Kinda related but at a museum here in Canada, I saw a sign under some exhibit just simply [Wood | Bois ] And I pointed it out to my girlfriend and said Wood *Boiiiiiiiis* like idk. Smol animal being a good boi kinda boi. I don't speak or read French. So me not realizing it was just Wood | Wood was pretty hysterical to her.
It's exactly the opposite. It's funny because of how basic the words are. Her needing to be Latina to understand the words takes away from the humor.
Who the fuck says pain bread?
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Or french
Or both
Or neither and she just made a guess
Honestly same; given that she's the only one who pronounces Hiro's Japanese name "properly" (for lack of a better word, hopefully you know what I mean), I just assumed she was multilingual. Learning she's Latina doesn't surprise me though.
Yeah i mean their all meant to be pretty smart, i just assumed they learned more than 1 language in school atleast all but the stoner
Maybe he took German.
He speaks old latin
Ain't all latin old?
He only speaks the oldest.
He speaks the cursed languages of the Old Gods.
For real, both the first two commenters are idiots
I mean I don't understand Spanish, never gotten any lessons in it, never been to a Spanish speaking place or talked to a native Spanish speaker. But just through cultural osmosis I know what that phrase means. It's a good line and it works very well with her character - the delivery would have to be pretty different if it had been any of the other characters saying it, in order to fit with their personalities. But this has very little to do with her being Latina and way more to do with being an intelligent, caring and not overly confrontational character. That said I do feel like honey lemon being Latina was basically just tossed out there for diversity points. Not that she should be a stereotype, but if it was something they had planned why didn't it come through in anything? There is absolutely nothing in the movie that points in that direction. They could just as well have said she was of Scandinavian descent and they wouldn't have to change anything in the movie as is to accommodate that. It's not like it's a thing from the comics. In the comics her real name is Aiko Miyazaki and she's supposedly 100% Japanese although it's not really explained why someone Japanese would have blonde hair, blue eyes and a European skin tone. Either way it's not like the comics really matter here, they were pretty bad, short lived and Disney wisely chose to only use them as a very rough source of inspiration, my point was just that her being Latina is something they made up for the movie.
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After all, that’s about as basic as it gets
This joke is funny whether or not the girl is Latina.
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I'd like to add that they are in California. You don't grow up in California without knowing at least *some* basic Spanish. We used to be Mexico, half the cities still have Spanish names, every city has at least 1 Mexican restaurant that doesn't bother with an English menu. If he lived anywhere in the bay area he should know better.
They live in San Fransokyo though. Gotta think the world is probably pretty different from ours with a change that big.
Just a reminder it's wild to consider Big Hero 6 taking place in The Man in the High Castle timeline.
That came later though, It was already an established San Francisco and only became San Fransokyo after it was destroyed in an earthquake and rebuilt by Japanese immigrants. The fact it was already San Francisco means that spanish/mexican influence was already deep in the region, and while the city specifically may be more Japanese now there's no reason to think it applies to the rest of California.
> The fact it was already San Francisco means that spanish/mexican influence was already deep in the region To be fair, there's also plenty of French founded cities that have very little to none French influence in them, e.g. Chicago or Detroit. Even the "French" district of New Orleans is actually Spanish architecture built during the Spanish administration of the colony.
That is a fun fact I didn't know! Cool, thanks!
Mi casa is basic spanish, literally means my house.
I believe it's actually a French word meaning "front door"
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Wait, I don't get it. I would if I knew confidently that you were of Spanish speaking country origin.
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Would you prefer to wear a sombrero and blast Tigres del Norte from an old pickup truck?
WHERES YOUR FOOKIN BAGUETTE MATE?!
I speak exactly two words of Spanish, and those are the two words.
I have no idea what direction the comment section will take today, but I want to point out something very important: Tigres Del Norte are complete bangers.
I think the complaint is that you shouldn't have to paint a character as a cartoony stereotype of something for them to be said thing. Like, if you introduce a Japanese character, do they have to be wearing a Kimono and Ketas and eating everything with chopsticks and carrying a Katana everywhere? Also. Completely unrelated, but... It might be an issue with regional language, but I don't think you use guapo to describe music, at least guapas since the tunes are plural and canciones or rolas are femenine
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Amazon prime actually just dropped a documentary on them, I haven't seen it yet but might give it a watch given how large a part they played in my childhood. Middle school summer breaks spent working with the old man while he would blast their tracks on an thumping subwoofer from the back of his truck. Funny, the things that you reminisce over once you get older.
>Like, if you introduce a Japanese character, do they have to be wearing a Kimono and Ketas and eating everything with chopsticks and carrying a Katana everywhere? ...the main character is a spikey, dark haired haired 14 yr old Japanese boy named Hiro Hamada, who lives in San Frys*okyo*, is interested in underground robot fighting, and the antagonist runs around in a kabuki mask
I thinkthe guapo statemenet was a joke more than anything
Having literally any characteristic associated with a group isn't using a stereotype, however. Her appearance is closer to a German than to the vast majority of the Latino population, her speech shows no accent or slang, literally nothing of her character shows any affiliation to Latino populations. To give a comparison, I'll use myself. I'm a Brazilian man, but my great-grandfather was a German refugee from WWII. I'm dark skinned, dark haired, used to know a bit of German from my childhood but that's the only German-ish cultural characteristic passed down my family. Would you say I'm a German-brazilian (they're a thing, mostly in the south), or just someone of distant German descent? Edit: and since several people asked, it is pretty unlikely that my great-grandfather was a Nazi. He fled Germany before the war, then fled France during the war, then came to Brazil. My grandma had a New Christian surname, so great-greamps either was a married a new Christian. It's more likely that he was fleeing the Nazi regime than fleeing from the Nazi defeat. Edit 2: so... It's been brought to my attention that i come from one of the hottest, driest regions in south America (the only part that's worse is literally a desert). It's likely that me, and nearly everyone i interacted with, had a permanent tan and didn't notice. So when foreigners said people i classified as white were dark skinned, maybe they were actually talking about said permanent tan. I go back on my statement on skin color.
It isn’t a stereotype but those characteristics don’t have to be made abundantly clear so she can be considered Latina. She doesn’t have to eat tacos everyday and listen to corenos. I’ll use myself as an example to. I was born in Mexico and came to the US when I was still a toddler. Speaking mostly English at school and with friends I don’t really have much of an accent , and my Spanish honestly sounds like I’m white. But I’m pure blooded Mexican. I’m Latino even if I don’t have an accent or slang.
I feel you, the other day I saw someone get confused by the fact that you can be white and from Latin American. Source: I'm argentinean, white as bread with Italian and Spanish ancestors, still Latino as far as I'm concerned.
Genetics both do and don't work like that. My school had a lot of exchange students and i can guarantee you latinos/as can infact look like that.
>I'm a Brazilian man, but my great-grandfather was a German refugee from WWII. Oh no
No, he wasn't a Nazi. He left Germany during Nazi rule but before the war, and either married a New Christian, or was one himself, given Grandma's surname. It's more likely that he was running away from Nazi rule than a Nazi himself.
> Edit: Furthermore, me gusta la biblioteca de cervesas que tiene tiburones y ormigas (2 years of high school Spanish, woot!) *Cervezas *Hormigas other than that, pretty good! The sentence doesn't make any sense, but it's properly articulated lmao
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Your first sentence means "I like the library of beers that has sharks and ants" The second one means "I like the milk of the racoon, dady" I'm Latin American and you scare me, sir. (I know you are yoking, just putting this for those who don't know Spanish).
My Spanish is poor enough that I don't know the translation for the second to last word there, so I'm just going to assume it means sippy cup and go on about my day.
I've heard Mexican people quite like Speedy Gonzales
Can confirm, my family and I adore Speedy. He was literally one of the few pieces of representation I had as a child as well as Dora The Explorer.
Knew a guy while I was in the army named Gonzalez, when he said he real first name was Speedy everyone called bullshit. Even after I saw his ID I couldn't believe it. He said Speedy was a family favorite and he really liked the name.
But was he fast?
He weighed maybe 120lbs and could run a 2 mile in 10 minutes iirc, so yeah pretty fast from my perspective lol.
Fun fact, the name Espiridion, pronounced Eh-s-pi-ri-de-on, used to be a common latine name (mostly in Mexico. It died down through out the years but their nickname was Speedy. Extra fun fact, most common Spanish names have an attached nickname. Like Ignacio is Nacho, Jesus is Chuy, Alicia is Licha , Eduardo is Lalo, Luis is Wicho and so on.
Also Fernando is Nando, Ramon is Monche, Rosario is Charo and Jesus can be Chucho too. Another fun fact: nachos, the ones you eat in teathers, were invented by Ignacio Anaya, who had the nickname Nacho. And his dish was 'Nacho's special', then it shortened to just 'Nachos'
Invented in Piedras Negras, Coahuila! My Mexican home town! The rumored story is that a regular customer came in with 2 American tourists and asked for something new to snack on, so Mr Anaya whipped up Nachos for the very first time.
I heard that you guys are very proud of that story. Also the version I knew is that he invented them for some soldier's wives from a near militar base, but who knows.
The Nacho Chip is actually the city’s mascot lol even has two Jalapeños that form a mustache and cowboy boots. And could be, Fort Duncan in Eagle pass was kinda booming in 1943-67. If I’m not mistaken by the 70-80’s that’s when it started shifting to Del Río rather than Eagle Pass. Fort Duncan is mostly rubble and some walls .
Mexican here and we used to love that mouse so much that in the 70s one of our comedians did a live action inspired by it and to top it off in the movie his super speed was powered by eating chiles, I loved that movie when I was a kid. https://imdb.com/title/tt0321594/
Speedy Gonzalez isn't a racist caricature. He's a cultural icon.
Due to the age of the character, i think he manages to be both.
I think it's important that Speedy is the hero and always wins. Plus there's no real stereotypes the character invokes. Speedy's traits are he's smart, kind, funny, heroically helpful and super fast. He just also happens to be a mouse from Mexico and dresses and talks like the 1950s USA's idea of a Mexican. Now his cousin the slow, lazy dim-witted mouse who talks and dresses the same could be a problem. But I don't think people ever think about that character.
Dimwitted? Don't slander my boy [Slowpoke Rodriguez](https://youtu.be/oZ0JUVd-iQU) like that. He may be slow in the feet, but he's quick in the head. And he packs a gun.
He’s only slow because he smokes pot.
Speedy is such a tame caricature compared to how we portray ourselves over here still you would have a heart attack.
They find it *très amusant*, that's german for "not racist"!
One of those things decided to be racist by white academics/"activists" rather than the depicted group itself.
Actually, the whole "Speedy depicted racist by white academics" thing is a product of misinformation. I saw this idea pop up a lot and decided to actually do a deep dive into the history. Heads up, bit a of a info drop below: So back in the late 90s, Cartoon Network aired Loony Toons regularly. As many are probably aware, there are a lot of racist depictions in the earlier cartoons from Black face to very stereotyped Native depictions, etc; The Speedy cartoons were definitely no exception, where the background was riddled with very stereotypical slow and drunk Mexicans in the background, and the such. Cartoon Network just chose to not air the overtly racist shorts, but for Speedy, it's a lot more heavy in the background so they would carefully edit the Speedy cartoons to remove the depictions. This was understandingly very time consuming and expensive to do. At the time, Speedy had low ratings anyway, so Cartoon Network opted to just shelve the shorts entirely in 1999. This didn't become a large concern until years later during a 2002 Fox News Interview when a CN Spokeswoman brought up how Speedy was removed because of Ethic stereotypes. It was misconstrued branding that CN removed Speedy because Speedy himself was a racist stereotype. This domino'd into Latin Americans pushing heavily for Speedy to be brought back on air, and it resulted in Speedy having consistently high ratings afterwards. This whole movement was successful, but it was something much of the general public--who weren't involved in the event--even knew about until fairly recently. This was because just a couple of years ago, many Right-Wing outlets brought up the Speedy cancellation incident as evidence for "Cancel culture trying to get rid of Speedy because they think Speedy is racist". Of which, now seems to be a widely pushed for opinion, instead of what actually went down about 2 decades ago.
Interesting background info! Thanks!
Please understand this is happening in almost every area that conservative/fascists/regressivists argue about. The "look how stupid my kid's public school teacher is" posts that seem to conveniently trend when vouchers are being discussed, is another great example. The whole "latinx" thing, when cons tried to say "libs are so full of themselves they invented gendered language that doesn't even fit with that language!" Except it wasn't the libs who created it. It was the actual professors in Mexican universities who initially invented it, and libs who said "yeah that'd a valid trustworthy source, so I'll try to use that more too." Or how about Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren? I bet the majority of you remember it as her trying to claim benefits for being native when really she's barely a fraction native. Only that's never been what happened. She was told by her family that one of her great grandparents had some native heritage, and she put that info on voluntary race identification. Cons picked this up and tried to run with "this obviously white woman is disrespecting natives!" So she did the DNA taste, which confirmed, yep! Some great grandparent WAS native. Everything she said had been true! So cons pivoted to "what a laughing stock she is for thinking being only a fraction native counts", ignoring that its exactly what she said the entire time. This is what people meant by "winning the meme war." It's not that they're funnier or have better evidence or more persuasive arguments. It's that conservatives can proliferate an idea as a joke, and have it diffuse into populations where at least SOME people will pick it up as a truth without bothering to verify. And humans, being flawed creatures we are, are really bad at remembering if something is a true fact or if it's just something we heard enough that we remember it as true.
How does her ethnic background affect the joke? Like, the joke is that he's wrong about the language and the translation. Why does her being Latina matter to the joke?
The tumblr post makes it like she can't know spanish unless she's latina. Also, mexicans love Speedy Gonzales.
People need to understand that Spanish speakers can have more than brown skin tone.
My son is Latino with red hair. And also they hear Latino and instantly assume Mexican. Mexico is cool as hell but we’re not all Mexican
Yes. In fact, the country which the language came from is predominantly occupied by white people.
yeah like the entire country of Spain lmao
Si
It's wild because all the kids in this movie are all like geniuses so her knowing a Spanish word isn't even that far of a stretch so her ethnicity sincerely doesn't even need to be brought up lmao
Do you even need to be some child genius to know what "mi casa" means? I feel like that's one of the most likely words/phrases to know from Spanish.
Imagine explaining (wrongly) the translation of a sentence to someone when it's their native language. I guess it adds a layer of awkwardness, and I can imagine it making it slightly disrespectful ? I won't speak for anyone tho
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Not to mention Latino/a doesn’t refer to any ethnicity. It’s a cultural heritage thing, there are white, black, Native American, Asians, etc. Latinos
Sincere question: Are there a significant number of Latino/a cultures whose primary language isn't a variation on Spanish? If there aren't then it doesn't really effect the joke, because the joke starts at the language, which would be inherently tied to Latino/a cultures, regardless of how varied those cultures are. But if there *are* other languages spoken as prominently then it would (which is why I'm asking about it, fwiw.) To answer the original question: Being Latino/a just adds an extra layer to the joke. He's wrong about the origin, he's wrong about the meaning, he's explaining it to a native or second-language speaker. It doesn't make it less funny for not knowing; it makes it more funny for knowing.
Yes, Brazil.
Oooh good call out. Can't believe I forgot (read: disrespected) Portuguese like that.
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Nahuatl in Mexico and Maya in Guatemala
I mean, obviously, when I go outside I wear my bunad and go grab a lutefisk and baguette (I'm part French too) for breakfast before heading to Hardanger fiddle practice. After that me and my chums go out to work, which involves going on viking raids and fishing.
Sorry, couldn't hear you over all the cattle, spur jingling, and hootenanying going on where I'm at. BRB, gonna go ride a horse to my job at the oil well.
Hey, don’t forget your six-shooters and Stetson hat.
Hmmmm, these stereotypes seem pretty important to you old chaps. Be a shame for them to get damaged, allow me to stea… I mean, look after them in a museum. Feel free to pop by anytime and look at them from behind a velvet rope, for a modest fee of course.
Sorry. I couldn’t hear you over saying sorry. I really am sorry.
Hey its all good, so long as we get together and make some brisket poutine.
This needs to exist
A frenchman, texan, and canadian walk into a bar
Can't tell if from Scandinavia or from Minnesota.
People use bunad in in mini soda?
my toes are frozen and my fish are rotten its hell over here im drunk
When I go outside I get colonised by the english. Later for lunch I get colonised by the english. Then I go to the park and get colonised by the english. Then I go to my work of getting colonised by the norwegians.
To be fair, Speedy Gonzalez is really fuckin popular in Mexico
They tried getting rid of it cause people claimed it was racist but Mexico said nah fuck that noise we love this cartoon. Same thing with people getting outraged with Sombrero wearing Mario, as a Mexican American I fucking loved that shit
Right? I will absolutely rock a Sombrero in any game that gives me the chance
Facts, in Overwatch my favorite skin to this day is the Reaper Mariachi skin, haven’t changed it since I’ve gotten it like 3-4 years ago
I really wanted to main Reaper or Sombra because of the mariachi and azucar skins, but neither character clicked with me play wise sadly. So they just sat there looking pretty in my collection.
From what I've seen around and from the mexicans I've spoken with, they are like the most chill people on the planet and, if anything, like their stereotypes? At the bare minimum it's spreading their idiosyncrasy, and at best it produces a charming caricature Stereotypes exist for a reason, and aren't inherently negative, and even the negative ones you can have fun with so long people are okay with it. As a Chilean, if you show me a dictionary I'd have the same reaction as a werewolf to silver or a vampire to onions. Actually latin america in general loves to throw stereotypes at eachother all in good fun. There's a gigantic amount of countryball memes with hispanic countries.
Also, Speedy keeps beating up on the gringos. Which is funny.
Yeah, it's always people speaking for the behalf of others on an opinion they never had. It's pure arrogance
If I cant be offended for you who will?
If there's two things anyone should know about latinos before posting online, they are: 1. Mexicans don't mind sombrero poncho stereotype, and they especially love Speedy Gonzales so don't even try and bring him up as an example of a negative. 1. Latin american countries in general don't mind stereotypes that much, is just that Mexicans are the kings of not giving a fuck about them. 2. Don't use latinx unless you wanna be crucified.
Unless people try to force us into the stereotypes or try to negate our latinidad because we don't actively participate in the stereotypes. So we love Speedy, sure, but if you expect us to all be wearing sombreros like a cartoon mouse and introduce ourselves while shaking maracas, then we'll probably talk shit lmao. Nothing worse than people trying to gatekeep what Latinos should look like or do.
That's true though, but I assumed anyone with a functioning brain wouldn't expect everyone from a specific place to look 1:1 to a conglomeration of their stereotypes 24/7
Bold of you to assume people online have functioning brains
That last point is not an exaggeration, I've participated in like three of those just this week alone
If you think Speedy Gonzales is racist, you should google the Frito Bandito
I thought the general consensus was Speedy Gonzales was *not* racist, as evidenced by the widespread Mexican/Latino protest when Cartoon Network tried to pull Speedy off the air
It’s somewhere like “just because it falls into a stereotype, doesn’t mean it can’t be loved”
Plus stereotypes don't have to be negative. Captain America is a huge bundle of American stereotypes but no one is complaining about him
I'm thinking of a bunch of American sterotypes but I can't think of a single one that applies to Captain America. Mostly because American sterotypes are usually negative. I guess he wears a flag, that counts as a steroetype.
If anything Homer Simpson is the American stereotype.
I think an american stereotype is THINKING that Captain America is an American stereotype
And Hank Hill is the American truth
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Americans being viewed as blond and blue eyed WASP guys with a name like "Steve Rogers" is a pretty prevalent stereotype in a lot of places like Japan or South America. I mean the name "Steve Rogers" is basically the US equivalent for calling a Spanish character "Pedro Gonzalez" or a Frenchman "Pierre LeBlanc"
I love Speedy Gonzalez, but, honestly? I totally relate more to Honey. I grew up in a Latino environment, but if it weren't for my skin tone, you wouldn't be able to guess I was Latina. Even WITH my skin tone, I've shocked people when I started speaking fluent Spanish because I don't have an accent when I speak in English. For me, personally, it's a really nice representation of heavily assimilated first and second generation Latinos in the US. But that's really just my opinion based on my personal experiences.
Which is exactly why diversity in representation is great! Not everyone has the same experiences, and so having a range of characters can help people find someone they relate to and like
>Even WITH my skin tone, I've shocked people when I started speaking fluent Spanish because I don't have an accent when I speak in English Lol, when a white person tells me "oh but you don't *look* Spanish!" in a reassuring tone of voice, I really want to punch them in the face. Before anyone tries to give me shit because I specified white people, I just want to point out that ONLY white people have said that to me.
Why does her being Latina effect the joke?
I guess it adds to the pain of Fred getting it wrong
Yes but how is the joke literally not understood by this person until they come to know the character is Latina? That is what people are asking.
Only latina people can understand spanish, smh
I'll be completely honest, for some reason I really thought she was Asian American. Although let it be known that in my opinion, the best type of representation is natural representation. This does not however discount affirmative action
So that’s a very reasonable assumption since the movie takes place in fictional San FranSokyo
I’m pretty sure even if she was Asian American, she’s living in California and would know “mi casa”. We have a massive Hispanic population. You don’t need to be Latino to know basic Spanish.
Mi casa has been used in so much American media, that you don't even have to know Spanish to have heard it and know what it means
Probably because her given name in the comic the movie was based on is Aiko Miyazaki. Granted she was drawn to look like a blond white woman so maybe she's just been mixed race since conception.
I always assumed she was half Asian,half white,due to her having an Asian name and being light skinned,blonde,and having green eyes
Honestly what I want is an entire 12+ person cast of characters, and every single one is a perfect embodiment of a stereotype.
Punch-Out
Hey all, brazilian here. Please portray us as playing football 24 hours a day. Thank you.
Can you stop playing football long enough to act in a film portraying you playing football?
That's filmed live
It would have to be I guess?
She had to be Latina for the joke to make sense or be funny??
I, for one, would welcome Sombrero Honey. The sombrero would make a great chemical warfare dispenser.
this sounds dope af. i need to see this animated by someone
ok but isn't speedy gonzales wildly popular in latino countries and also I had no idea she was supposed to be Latina despite having watched the movie a couple times. It seems like the second person is making a good point and the third is interpreting them as uncharitably as possible in order to claim some moral high ground.
I came here for this. Think back to the Gonzales cartoons. He's not portrayed as some negative stereotype. He is portrayed as popular, and cool, and always getting one over on people who try to hurt him and his friends. But even then he's never portrayed as an asshole. Hell, remember the gag that popped up in a lot of his cartoons. Mouse 1: My sister knows Speedy Gonzales. Mouse 2: *Everybody's* sister knows Speedy Gonzales. The whole gag there is that he's incredibly charming and that women swoon for him. The idea that he's a negative stereotype is not just oversensitivity, it's equating a portrayal of Mexicans *at all* as racist. Gonzales is an example of a character done unbelievably right.
It’s almost like being in a melting pot culture causes some degree of homogeny to develop.
I don't get it??? Like I feels tupid but isn't it pretty common for a "funny" character to mistake languages? Like I'm genuinely confused as to how does her being latina make the joke funnier other than she may speak Spanish.
Yeah I'm white as fuck and I knew that was wrong. How a character is presented isn't the concern here, it's taking a simple scene for a simple joke and molding it into something it was never intended to be.
Scots Irish guy hear. Couldn't hear over the sound of deep frying my potatoes in Irn Bru
Are you going to listen to bagpipes while watching a hurling match too?
I'll have you find that I'll be PLAYING the bagpipes while hurling SIMULTANEOUSLY
Literally how do you not understand a joke about correcting a very basic Spanish mistake unless the person correcting them is literally Latina?
you keep your grabby little paws off of speedy gonzales
If only there was a middle ground between making extremely vague references that could be easily misinterpreted like understanding basic spanish and being a walking stereotype.../s
Alternatively she could know French
She's latina? All i saw was a white girl who was for some reason the only one to pronounce hiro's name correctly. I dont think gogo did
A lot of Latinos are white, heck, I'm from Ecuador, my dad is black, my mom is a blonde with green eyes and white af. I'm also pale as a ghost but my brother is more brown. Skin color is not the same as ethnicity my friend, specially in Latin America where we got a mix of a lot of different cultures.
Didn’t people try to cancel quackity for speaking Spanish while being white, when that’s literally his native language?
Yeah, they also tried to cancel Encanto for having a white character even though it's pretty common to see white people in Colombia, in conclusion, people are stupid.
I agree, the fact that Encanto had a range of skin colors in the family made it more realistic and representative, not less.
As a white Salvadoran named Hans, I appreciate this comment. Haha. Everyone is always surprised when they hear me speak Spanish.
Why didn't they understand the joke until they found out she was Latina?
lmao Mexicans fucking loved speedy gonzolas wtf are you talking about??