A big thank you to you and the others for setting this up! It warms my heart that this is now what this sub openly stands for and that y’all are making good use of its size. And for anyone who downvotes it because it isn’t *directly* related to the band? Or because they don’t like the politics? So be it. Same goes for anyone who downvotes this comment or any of the other comments thanking the mods for this 🫡
i donated £10/$12ish last night. thank you for organizing for a wonderful cause!💖 i personally know a palestinian clikkie and she would be so touched to know that other fans are concerned about her people💖
imagine sitting in the comfort and safety of your home that has running water and electricity and food and downvoting a fundraiser trying to bring those elements to children. what kind of person does that make you?
Even if they can’t… I don’t think it’s gonna hurt them to have to scroll past one (1) post dedicated to offering a way to help the victims of a *genocide*!
please stop expecting artists to speak out on political topics. they are trained for music, not politics. look to officials for information and speaking out, not unqualified artists. Forcing unqualified artists to speak on political topics only will further spread misinformation and force the artist into a political light that maybe they wanted to stay out of. not everything needs to be political. I understand the motive and the issues that are happening right now, but leave artists out of it. they are not qualified to speak on politics and we as fans are not entitled to know where they stand on every topic.
Let me put the situation in other words for you because i don't think you have bad intent you're just looking at it in a wrong way and i always hear this same thing in such situations. First of all, i don't know how "informed" or "educated" you are on what's currently happening, which are words a lot of propagandists tend to throw these days to make it seem like a complicated subject and to throw people of from seeing it as it is and let me tell you it is not cimplicated at all nor is it political. It is merely HUMAN.
I'm sure anyone with access to the internet has come across video proof of even the tiniest fraction of what's happening by now but to sum it up, a genocide on CHILDREN is happening. KIDS are beeing bombed, starved, burned, beheaded etc. And you don't have to trust not even the numbers of deaths which are close to 100 thousand, you already have access to hundreds of thousands of video documentation on what's happening.
So by painting this as a "political" matter, it insinuates that it is complicated and that artists should stay out of it and that it's a matter of political discussion that concerns only those "educated" about it. It's a human crisis that should concern any human with some humanity and decency. And so when fans show disappointment in them for not speaking up they're not dissapointed in them as artists but rather as humans, and not any humans, humans with influence that can open hearts and spread the voices of the suffering people of Palestine. Nothing about this is political. And i don't know about you, but personally, i NEED to know where they stand on this matter. Because while thay may sound like me needing them to believe in my exact political ideologies for me to like them, it is merely me NEEDING to know that the artists whom i love without compare are HUMANS, not some immoral inhumane souless shells that sold their humanity and souls for whatever gain, because trust me anyone that supports a genocide has something to gain from it.
So yes, no matter how big the impact they had on my life is, if i knew that they support the atrocities that are taking place today, i would instantly and in a heartbeat lose all my respect, love and interest in them and would even be disgusted by them the same as you or anyone else would hate and even "cancel" their favorite celebrity if they supported the holocaust or 9/11 or the kkk etc.
never, ever, did i say what is happening isn’t absolutely vile and terrible. i truly feel for everyone affected by the atrocities taking place, my stance was only that i don’t understand bombarding artists with questions about where they stand on this. them posting “free palestine” to twitter doesn’t actually help anyone who is suffering. i feel like rather than focusing on celebrities and what they “think” we should focus on problem solving and trying to find ways to actually help the people in palestine. Nothing josh and tyler can say will make this any better. that was my point.
I'm glad you know the situation for what it, and i understand that tweeting "free Palestine" may not seem like it has any effect, but artists, and celebrities in general, aren't regular people, they're influencers, that's a big word. Their words have POWER and they can easily spread awereness and shed light on what is happening which would have more people look into what's happening and maybe even try to find ways to help, which they probably wouldn't have done if their favourite artists didn't tell them to do so. What i'm trying to say is spreading awareness is a form of resistance and fighting for what's good, and with platforms as big as theirs, it would make a difference.
Just look at what Macklemore is doing and how many people he got engaged in this issue just by speaking up and standing for justice. And these people are actually helping not just tweeting by signing petitions, donating, protesting, putting pressure on the ones in charge etc.
And in a world where the media is being used to spread blatant propaganda and hide the truth and justify their genocide, artists' voices are needed to resist this wave of propaganda that's getting ridiculous yet people still believe it.
And besides, what i mentioned in my previous comment is that this is not a matter of opinion. Whether genocide is right or wrong shouldn't be discussed. And so it would matter and it should matter to listeners what values their artists hold and if they support genocide unlike other actual political opinions which they have every right to keep to themselves.
They're with Palestine. At least tyler is. He reposted someone's Instagram post on his story saying to free Palestine. So. There you go. We should not be pressuring artists into speaking out ESPECIALLY tyler when he has spoken out about SOOO many different issues. He has a life, kids, he's currently working really hard to get the your and stuff all ready. Like... dude barely has the time to live rn. Give him a break. But there is your answer. He's with Gaza. What's happening there is absolutely awful. It would be crazy to assume he wasn't with gaza. Just knowing what kind of person he is. But there is proof he is with them. And just cuz it's terrible doesn't mean we need to force celebrities to do things they might not wanna do. They're people too. If I didn't wanna speak up on gaza i don't have to. Same goes for them.
nothing i did caused the tragedies that are happening currently. this is a twenty one pilots reddit page.. i come here to hear twenty one pilots news, not world news. this is where i go to take a break from the tragedies all over the world. nothing i said or did is wrong. not everything needs to be pulled into politics.
this has nothing to do with them!!! just let them be artists!! josh and tyler did not cause this war and they will not be the ones to solve it. expect politicians to speak out, not them. you are not entitled to know what they think on the topic
I’m not asking them to solve it. This has everything to do with them. Art, humanity and morality are intersectional. Considering what their lore is about, it’s weird that they’re not saying anything in support of Palestine. I am entitled to being disappointed in my favorite band for not joining the community and speaking out against a genocide.
you're right. this absolutely means we can't contribute to trying to help mend a global crisis any way we can. we should just stop trying to help because of a tweet made a couple of years ago. what were we thinking?
those words were a crude joke about him not doing this exact thing, to put it straight. people are dying. brutally. we have a platform that has the ability to help those people. so we will!
The hatred spewed by followers of that flag is what’s headscratching.
This sub went apeshit over Tyler tweeting anti-Semitic content, yet here we are supporting people who hate the entire LGBTQIA+ community (for starters). In fact, 97% of Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank hold antisemitic views.
I just find it tasteless to use the Clique to gain notoriety for something like this.
Not to mention, what about any Jewish Clikkies???? Did you take their feelings into consideration?
And Jewish people have to do with this…? Not every Jewish person supports Israel, *especially* now — hell, not every *Israeli* supports Israel. That’s a terribly uneducated sentiment. Jewish ≠ Zionist.
Also, I second the above commenter’s question: when did he post anti-semitic views? I was under the assumption that this comment was referring to the tone deaf platform tweet he made in 2020, but maybe I missed something.
I looked it up, and all I can find is that platform tweet, which was more racist than anti-Semitic. (That being said, knowing Tyler, I'm sure he's moved on from it and feels terribly sorry about it.)
That’s exactly what I thought it was! Horribly tone deaf with light shades of racism, but… like you said, not antisemitic. The Black Lives Matter movement is, as is implied by the title, about black folks! (I know he’s sincerely apologized for that tweet since, thank goodness.)
>(I know he’s sincerely apologized for that tweet since, thank goodness.)
Yeah. Unlike a bunch of celebrities who pretend to apologize and just go on a rampage, he actually seemed really sincere and upset about the outrage.
Exactly! I remember he also talked about some things he did with inner city and underprivileged kids in Columbus, a lot of whom were BIPOC. Didn’t mean the tweet was cool, but it did show that it was a stupid hiccup. Kinda reminded me of when Lana Del Rey apologized for appropriating Native American culture in her “Ride” music video and started donating some of the proceeds she got from that (and, iirc, her poetry book) to various charities aimed towards various tribes. (I mean, that said, I’m kind of done with her after all the things she’s done in recent times (dammit if she isn’t still a great singer/songwriter, though!), but credit where credit is due — it was very genuine.)
I feel like you can really tell when a celebrity is being genuine (ESPECIALLY if they do something to correct that behavior) vs just saying something for their own benefit… unless you have a terribly parasocial relationship with them, in which case all of their apologies are totally genuine!
Yeah, I mean, I've lost count of the amount of times I've said something that came out wrong or I was ignorant or accidentally offended someone. We're all human. What he did wasn't right, but I'm glad that he's made up for it.
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Bruh who cares if it’s downvoted. Yall gonna let a number on your screen upset you. Grow up if you wanna donate donate you don’t turn don’t. Mfers be pressed about anything. Waaa waaa a Reddit post is downvoted. Nothing in the world changes if the votes are negative or positive
I’m surprised by how many downvotes this has gotten — I agree (which does make this comment + upvote a bit ironic)! I get being annoyed by the clear sentiment some of the downvotes may send, but that’s not gonna do anything in the long run. The important part is that anyone who wants to donate has an easy pipeline, and anyone who doesn’t want to donate… uh… can scroll past one (1) post dedicated to an event that will inevitably be in the history books. What *won’t* be in the history books is how many upvotes or downvotes we all get!
Exactly like I don’t agree with the downvotes but who cares donate if you want and share, if you don’t then don’t womp womp welcome to the shitty world where people sadly don’t care
this means a lot to me as a Palestinian clikkie. thank you <3
Another palestinian clikkie! Hi !!! <3
omg hi!!
A big thank you to you and the others for setting this up! It warms my heart that this is now what this sub openly stands for and that y’all are making good use of its size. And for anyone who downvotes it because it isn’t *directly* related to the band? Or because they don’t like the politics? So be it. Same goes for anyone who downvotes this comment or any of the other comments thanking the mods for this 🫡
i donated £10/$12ish last night. thank you for organizing for a wonderful cause!💖 i personally know a palestinian clikkie and she would be so touched to know that other fans are concerned about her people💖
(also to be clear—she lives in america so she's safe)
imagine sitting in the comfort and safety of your home that has running water and electricity and food and downvoting a fundraiser trying to bring those elements to children. what kind of person does that make you?
Gonna donate again to offset the haters in this subreddit ✨
thank you!!
Clikkies for Palestine!!
Y'all downvoting, a humanitarian crisis is happening and you're downvoting....
This is such a sweet idea!!
Please keep the sub reddit about top . Please don’t start with the donations everywhere
Hi! They’re raffling Clancy stoles and Clancy records to provide medical aid. Last time I checked those items were pertinent to the band.
There are 14,000 children dead in Palestine i think you can spare a penny whether it’s tøp related or not.
Even if they can’t… I don’t think it’s gonna hurt them to have to scroll past one (1) post dedicated to offering a way to help the victims of a *genocide*!
Thats what im saying. This is so much more important than anything going on despite how much we enjoy it.
Thank you!👏👏👏
>Thank you!👏👏👏 You're welcome!
Nice one! Thank you for the effort
Already doing more than the band does to speak out and use their platform. I love TOP but I have a hard time respecting celebrities who stay silent.
please stop expecting artists to speak out on political topics. they are trained for music, not politics. look to officials for information and speaking out, not unqualified artists. Forcing unqualified artists to speak on political topics only will further spread misinformation and force the artist into a political light that maybe they wanted to stay out of. not everything needs to be political. I understand the motive and the issues that are happening right now, but leave artists out of it. they are not qualified to speak on politics and we as fans are not entitled to know where they stand on every topic.
Let me put the situation in other words for you because i don't think you have bad intent you're just looking at it in a wrong way and i always hear this same thing in such situations. First of all, i don't know how "informed" or "educated" you are on what's currently happening, which are words a lot of propagandists tend to throw these days to make it seem like a complicated subject and to throw people of from seeing it as it is and let me tell you it is not cimplicated at all nor is it political. It is merely HUMAN. I'm sure anyone with access to the internet has come across video proof of even the tiniest fraction of what's happening by now but to sum it up, a genocide on CHILDREN is happening. KIDS are beeing bombed, starved, burned, beheaded etc. And you don't have to trust not even the numbers of deaths which are close to 100 thousand, you already have access to hundreds of thousands of video documentation on what's happening. So by painting this as a "political" matter, it insinuates that it is complicated and that artists should stay out of it and that it's a matter of political discussion that concerns only those "educated" about it. It's a human crisis that should concern any human with some humanity and decency. And so when fans show disappointment in them for not speaking up they're not dissapointed in them as artists but rather as humans, and not any humans, humans with influence that can open hearts and spread the voices of the suffering people of Palestine. Nothing about this is political. And i don't know about you, but personally, i NEED to know where they stand on this matter. Because while thay may sound like me needing them to believe in my exact political ideologies for me to like them, it is merely me NEEDING to know that the artists whom i love without compare are HUMANS, not some immoral inhumane souless shells that sold their humanity and souls for whatever gain, because trust me anyone that supports a genocide has something to gain from it. So yes, no matter how big the impact they had on my life is, if i knew that they support the atrocities that are taking place today, i would instantly and in a heartbeat lose all my respect, love and interest in them and would even be disgusted by them the same as you or anyone else would hate and even "cancel" their favorite celebrity if they supported the holocaust or 9/11 or the kkk etc.
never, ever, did i say what is happening isn’t absolutely vile and terrible. i truly feel for everyone affected by the atrocities taking place, my stance was only that i don’t understand bombarding artists with questions about where they stand on this. them posting “free palestine” to twitter doesn’t actually help anyone who is suffering. i feel like rather than focusing on celebrities and what they “think” we should focus on problem solving and trying to find ways to actually help the people in palestine. Nothing josh and tyler can say will make this any better. that was my point.
I'm glad you know the situation for what it, and i understand that tweeting "free Palestine" may not seem like it has any effect, but artists, and celebrities in general, aren't regular people, they're influencers, that's a big word. Their words have POWER and they can easily spread awereness and shed light on what is happening which would have more people look into what's happening and maybe even try to find ways to help, which they probably wouldn't have done if their favourite artists didn't tell them to do so. What i'm trying to say is spreading awareness is a form of resistance and fighting for what's good, and with platforms as big as theirs, it would make a difference. Just look at what Macklemore is doing and how many people he got engaged in this issue just by speaking up and standing for justice. And these people are actually helping not just tweeting by signing petitions, donating, protesting, putting pressure on the ones in charge etc. And in a world where the media is being used to spread blatant propaganda and hide the truth and justify their genocide, artists' voices are needed to resist this wave of propaganda that's getting ridiculous yet people still believe it. And besides, what i mentioned in my previous comment is that this is not a matter of opinion. Whether genocide is right or wrong shouldn't be discussed. And so it would matter and it should matter to listeners what values their artists hold and if they support genocide unlike other actual political opinions which they have every right to keep to themselves.
They're with Palestine. At least tyler is. He reposted someone's Instagram post on his story saying to free Palestine. So. There you go. We should not be pressuring artists into speaking out ESPECIALLY tyler when he has spoken out about SOOO many different issues. He has a life, kids, he's currently working really hard to get the your and stuff all ready. Like... dude barely has the time to live rn. Give him a break. But there is your answer. He's with Gaza. What's happening there is absolutely awful. It would be crazy to assume he wasn't with gaza. Just knowing what kind of person he is. But there is proof he is with them. And just cuz it's terrible doesn't mean we need to force celebrities to do things they might not wanna do. They're people too. If I didn't wanna speak up on gaza i don't have to. Same goes for them.
you're a part of the problem
nothing i did caused the tragedies that are happening currently. this is a twenty one pilots reddit page.. i come here to hear twenty one pilots news, not world news. this is where i go to take a break from the tragedies all over the world. nothing i said or did is wrong. not everything needs to be pulled into politics.
I’m confused, what is political about genocide? This is an issue of morality. I am also disappointed that Tyler and Josh haven’t posted anything.
this has nothing to do with them!!! just let them be artists!! josh and tyler did not cause this war and they will not be the ones to solve it. expect politicians to speak out, not them. you are not entitled to know what they think on the topic
I’m not asking them to solve it. This has everything to do with them. Art, humanity and morality are intersectional. Considering what their lore is about, it’s weird that they’re not saying anything in support of Palestine. I am entitled to being disappointed in my favorite band for not joining the community and speaking out against a genocide.
Wish would keep the twenty one pilots thread out of such divisive topics. Stick to the music the band and the lore.
Bro
more money for t3rrorists 👏👏👏bravo
For a fan base that got butthurt by some words said by Tyler a while back….. this is a head scratcher.
you're right. this absolutely means we can't contribute to trying to help mend a global crisis any way we can. we should just stop trying to help because of a tweet made a couple of years ago. what were we thinking?
those words were a crude joke about him not doing this exact thing, to put it straight. people are dying. brutally. we have a platform that has the ability to help those people. so we will!
clunky joke vs literal people dying - whats head scratching about that?
The hatred spewed by followers of that flag is what’s headscratching. This sub went apeshit over Tyler tweeting anti-Semitic content, yet here we are supporting people who hate the entire LGBTQIA+ community (for starters). In fact, 97% of Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank hold antisemitic views. I just find it tasteless to use the Clique to gain notoriety for something like this. Not to mention, what about any Jewish Clikkies???? Did you take their feelings into consideration?
When did Tyler post antisemitic views???
And Jewish people have to do with this…? Not every Jewish person supports Israel, *especially* now — hell, not every *Israeli* supports Israel. That’s a terribly uneducated sentiment. Jewish ≠ Zionist. Also, I second the above commenter’s question: when did he post anti-semitic views? I was under the assumption that this comment was referring to the tone deaf platform tweet he made in 2020, but maybe I missed something.
I looked it up, and all I can find is that platform tweet, which was more racist than anti-Semitic. (That being said, knowing Tyler, I'm sure he's moved on from it and feels terribly sorry about it.)
That’s exactly what I thought it was! Horribly tone deaf with light shades of racism, but… like you said, not antisemitic. The Black Lives Matter movement is, as is implied by the title, about black folks! (I know he’s sincerely apologized for that tweet since, thank goodness.)
>(I know he’s sincerely apologized for that tweet since, thank goodness.) Yeah. Unlike a bunch of celebrities who pretend to apologize and just go on a rampage, he actually seemed really sincere and upset about the outrage.
Exactly! I remember he also talked about some things he did with inner city and underprivileged kids in Columbus, a lot of whom were BIPOC. Didn’t mean the tweet was cool, but it did show that it was a stupid hiccup. Kinda reminded me of when Lana Del Rey apologized for appropriating Native American culture in her “Ride” music video and started donating some of the proceeds she got from that (and, iirc, her poetry book) to various charities aimed towards various tribes. (I mean, that said, I’m kind of done with her after all the things she’s done in recent times (dammit if she isn’t still a great singer/songwriter, though!), but credit where credit is due — it was very genuine.) I feel like you can really tell when a celebrity is being genuine (ESPECIALLY if they do something to correct that behavior) vs just saying something for their own benefit… unless you have a terribly parasocial relationship with them, in which case all of their apologies are totally genuine!
Yeah, I mean, I've lost count of the amount of times I've said something that came out wrong or I was ignorant or accidentally offended someone. We're all human. What he did wasn't right, but I'm glad that he's made up for it.
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Bruh who cares if it’s downvoted. Yall gonna let a number on your screen upset you. Grow up if you wanna donate donate you don’t turn don’t. Mfers be pressed about anything. Waaa waaa a Reddit post is downvoted. Nothing in the world changes if the votes are negative or positive
I’m surprised by how many downvotes this has gotten — I agree (which does make this comment + upvote a bit ironic)! I get being annoyed by the clear sentiment some of the downvotes may send, but that’s not gonna do anything in the long run. The important part is that anyone who wants to donate has an easy pipeline, and anyone who doesn’t want to donate… uh… can scroll past one (1) post dedicated to an event that will inevitably be in the history books. What *won’t* be in the history books is how many upvotes or downvotes we all get!
Exactly like I don’t agree with the downvotes but who cares donate if you want and share, if you don’t then don’t womp womp welcome to the shitty world where people sadly don’t care