That's the point. IF it even happened(it may have, it might not have) they should be held responsible. Can't stress enough that I'm not flat out denying her claims here
There's a very real chance it didn't happen and this is just a way to make the movement look bad. The same thing the police did with BLM protests. It's a KNOWN counter protest tactic and I'm amazed it still works on people
Yeah the more we dig the more of these protest I walk by - the more I listen the less I hear anything anti Jewish -
If she doesn’t feel safe- please tell us who said - go back to the gas chambers and how they KNEW you were Jewish.
Some of these allegations are weird as hell…. Walking around Udub campus with my Jewish girlfriend and I don’t know how anyone knows she is Jewish- hell i didn’t know she was Jewish for a few months - met her dad and was like wait dude is Jewish cause he told me…
These lies piling up fellas
Her word vs actual evidence. The evidence of the protests is that they are overwhelmingly peaceful and don’t respond to agitators.
I don’t believe this Zionist propaganda plant for a second
The "Zionist Plant" is a human being and a student. Your dehumanizing language makes me think you are only a few steps away from telling her that yourself.
Dumb equivocation. Saying that one person's report of a threat is unsubstantiated and doesn't align with the majority of protestors isn't dehumanizing anyone. I hope no one did say that to her, but if they did, it was just ANOTHER shitty opinion. Both sides have those. The people saying free Gaza and asking for a 2-state solution are not the ones asking for another genocide
The only people who believe it are those for whom it’s politically expedient and convenient. AKA zionists and those sympathetic to Israel. No one with more than 2 brain cells would buy this otherwise.
I forgot, we're supposed to believe victims until it's "politically expedient and convenient" not to (because we're antizionist and sympathetic to Palestine), in which call they're liars. Classic. Or maybe we could encourage honest investigation and conversation where we give both sides the benefit of the doubt...just maybe.
But if a black person says a white person is racist we do investigate it…
If it’s a cop we all say “where is the body cam” cause we know cops lie and black people lie cause we know cops and black people are people… and PEOPLE lie and emotionally misremember and emblish.
So in this situation I’m asking for receipts because we all know how Seattle is… we would denounce the person the second someone said to a Jewish person go back to the gas chamber- we all in unison would say “Yo WTF that’s not cool”
We would probably go hug the hell out of that girl if she started crying and shame the hell out of someone that said go back to the gas chamber- let’s not forget who the fck we are
Zionist groups have obliterated all goodwill a hundred times over. Not going to trust pro-Israel orgs for a second, not after all the proven lies that have come out since the invasion of Gaza. They've made a mockery out of "believe all victims." Not believing anyone supporting a fascist ethnostate without receipts.
How about, you treat both sides equally and critique information appropriately.
Rather than immediately supporting something as fact because it supports your ideas.
Or than immediately calling someone a liar because they said something you don’t like.
Because both sides engage in constant misleading bs. It’s RAMPANT. It’s really disgusting to see this one girl immediately being called a liar on Reddit when every single piece of pro Palestine information is super supported. Even when it’s freaking blatant that it’s obviously not true or there’s more to the story.
Like a little while ago, the post of the boy who was “shot in the head 11 times and survived” for “delivering bread to his sick grandfather”. Took me a while but I had to manually translate it, then a little research. The 11 times was once, it was years ago and that “bread to grandpa” was really a fucking bomb to soldiers. It was bs, I started researching because who tf believes someone survives being shot in the head 11 times!?!
But the comments were all “oh this poor brave young man”.
And there’s plenty of videos where someone is just saying “ this is happening” and it’s taken at value.
What reason do you have to disbelieve her? Is there something of her character other than her having an opinion about a conflict that contradicts your own? Especially when her leaning falls in line with her religion.
Are people not allowed to have opinions differing from your own?
Yeah come on - how many times does this have to happen- it’s not victim blaming to ask for evidence -
You can’t call someone antisemitic, racist or homophobic and not give evidence - it’s too inflammatory-
If she doesn’t feel safe on campus NOW considering all the drugged out homeless people - something must have happened and ramped up that is tangible.
But if she is running a pro isreali counter protest and gets into yelling matches - that’s not compromising her universal safety - cause when she leaves she just goes back to looking like the avg Udub student -
I guess the posters plastered all over campus earlier this year (which featured a powered paraglider...a defining symbol of Hamas' attack on Israel involving the slaughter of innocent people at a festival) calling for people to join a pro-Palestine protest weren't enough?
Those posters were not a "vague distasteful reference" They were a direct reference to the usage of powered paragliders on October 7th to kill innocent, unarmed civilians at a music festival. Name any other time in place Hamas has used such tactics before October 7th. Placing such iconography next to calls to protest for Palestine is an implicit condonation of Hamas' actions (literally killing Jewish people for being Jewish) and therefore antisemitic.
Sounds like a stretch. Free Palestine and free Gaza from the Israeli fourth Reich.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/04/world/middleeast/gaza-famine-mccain-israel.html
I believe I gave a very straight forward argument for why the posters were a symbol of violence against Jewish people. It's a shame that so few people in your movement are willing to engage honestly.
No this just falls flatly into a known counter protest tactic... She could be telling the truth, but then why go to the media to whine about it instead of getting campus security to deal with someone violating campus policies on hate speech?
It's an old old ancient practice to either instigate or fabricate negative things about protesters to devalue them morally in the eyes of the public. Police did it with BLM, police did it with civil rights protesters, it happened with women's suffrage, it happened with Vietnam protests.
Of course that's exactly what she should have done because the University is clearly taking the encampments seriously and has a great track record handling hate speech (from both sides) in the past....
The total refusal to examine the behaviors of your own movement critically is exactly what's pushing so many people who also detest the actions of Israel to oppose you (myself included).
Taking what at face value? That they are calling jews to go back to gas chambers?
Yeah sir, im afraid it is as simple as that, fanatic pro hamas people do that all the time everyday.
As a WA resident, id assume 99 percent of the people in that sub are not from Seattle, they are literally to ignorant about the city to even convince me that a single one of them lives there lmao
Then again, "Seattle" is kinda a broad place lol
They could be from gaddamned Bellevue and still be "from Seattle" lmao
You think most udub students are “from seattle”? 50% of the students are Chinese/other immigrants. Just because someone is temporarily attending OUR college for 4 years does not make them “from here”.
Any evidence, witnesses, details of incident, descriptions of people? Or is it just her word? These claims are so outrageous it’s hard to believe there isn’t one video clip in this day and age. Getting spit on? “Gas chamber”?
Suspicious editing for me on this news clip. Fox cuts the video after she talks about stuff happening on campus, then returns to her talking about gas chambers. They obviously want us to think someone at the encampment (or at least on campus) said that, but it's not clear that's even what she's claiming.
If it was an isolated incident I’d agree, but we DO have many recordings of this sort of stuff from universities all over the country right now with these protests. Her claims are outrageous sure, but sadly quite believable at the moment.
Literally just go look it up. There are tons of isolated individuals performing in the same way (not necessarily words about gas chambers), at multiple universities.
Only one I've seen was somebody the media picked up as shouting "kill the jews" who turned out to be an obvious zionist counterprotester/agitator (literally waving the Israeli flag as he said it before immediately getting boo'd by the crowd).
Like, I don't doubt there are some anti-semites at the protests... it's just that most of it is coming from Zionists harassing Jewish protestors in support of Gaza, calling them "self hating jews" or "bad jews". What little of it *has* been found amongst the protestors (of course it's there, antisemitism is a broad social issue that worms its way everywhere) is sparse enough that you can hardly say it represents the protestors.
It's pretty obvious that the media is just pouncing at every allegation against the protestors (regardless of its voracity) as an opportunity to smear them as antisemites. Coverage around this has been disgustingly dishonest.
I'm Jewish. Visibly Jewish. I look like a walking stereotype. I've never felt unsafe on campus because of pro-palestine protests. I have, however, been told that I'm a self loathing (slur for Jewish people that might get me banned), that I'm a disgrace, and a few months ago that (when I said I didn't have time to deal with them because I was on my way to chemotherapy) I deserve to be killed by my cancer, all of these were from people waving Israeli flags.
Tysm but I actually wrapped up a while ago (hopefully 🤞! It could theoretically come back but my oncologist says it's unlikely). I was told the Cancer thing well before this most recent conflict even started back last May (so I guess closer to a year than a few months, things move fast when you're not paying attentio). Zionists have always been like this and they've always wanted a monopoly on the Jewish experience
Yooooo. Thats messed up. I hope your chemotherapy goes well and the person who said such a hurtful thing has uncontrollable diarrhea every time they sneeze.
Students supporting Israel is basically students supporting genocide and still centering themselves as victims.
Absolutely wild.
Like we do all get that in a few years those who supported Israel are going to look real bad, right? Or have we not gotten there yet? Historically speaking, the, shit college students have protested has turned out to be quite sensible to protest in the long run. The Vietnam War, Nuclear War, Apartheid in South Africa, segregation, etc?
Maybe let's be smart about what side of history you want to be on. Probably not the one who kills tens of thousands of kids, bombs hospitals, and destroys 80% of civilian infrastructure.
Unfortunately, they will do exactly what the boomers did. They will pretend they were on the right side of history years after it becomes fashionable to do so and get ready to be the shock troops against the next protest movement. All while shouting that they already fixed this with *their* protests they were definitely a part of and what the hell do these dumb kids know? Maybe it's time to call the national guard, they'll say.
The Nazis considered themselves victims of the Jews. That is literally the justification. They are bad to me, so they should be removed from existence. Truth is not important.
> segregation
Time to do some reading on that one. Not to mention the American Bund in the 30s and a few other youth protests that weren't exactly progressive.
There are most certainly war crimes that Israel is perpetrating against Palestine, no doubt. But nothing they are doing is even remotely close to the definition of genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide and wipe out a racial or ethnic group off of the face of the earth, they have the capability to do that to Palestine in minutes.
As mentioned, I do believe Israel has committed war crimes. I have looked up the ICC papers and they don’t mention genocide. And I’m talking strictly about the definition. What Israel is doing does not meet that definition.
Can..... can you read? The entire proceeding was about determining the validity of the genocide claims. It would be impossible to miss if you read read even a single page.
The finding of the court was that there was plausible evidence that Israel is engaging in genocide.
The name of the South African case is "Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of ***Genocide*** in the Gaza Strip".
Like, who are you trying to fool?
I'm sorry are you a scholar of genocide?
Because the scholars of genocide - including those working within Israel - disagree with your hot take my dude: [But don't take it from me, take it from Amos Goldberg](https://thepalestineproject.medium.com/yes-it-is-genocide-634a07ea27d4)
Article 4(2)(c) of the Statute provides that genocide can be committed by “deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”.
Examples of such acts punishable under Article 4(2)(c) include, inter alia, subjecting the group to a subsistence diet; failing to provide adequate medical care; systematically expelling members of the group from their homes; and generally creating circumstances that would lead to a slow death such as the lack of proper food, water, shelter, clothing, sanitation, or subjecting members of the group to excessive work or physical exertion.
Israel has full control over imports into Gaza and is fully responsible for the ongoing famine, disease, dehydration, etc. that they have caused by withholding essential needs while destroying around 50% of homes as well as a large portion of vital infrastructure in Gaza. This isn’t just war, it’s the physical destruction of Gaza and creating conditions for the destruction of its people. While it isn’t necessary that people die for Article 4(2)(c) to have been violated, people are dying.
You mean what they’re literally an openly planning right now in Rafah? Israel knew they couldn’t just do it all at once, so they played this long six-month game where they acted like they needed to amp up their fight until they flattened all of Gaza. Then they’ll say “oops we tried not to but …”
You mean the videos of pro-Israel protestors spraying the pro-Palestine protestors with mace, throwing rats near the tents and saying "I hope Hamas rapes you"?
There were plenty of news cameras capturing the pro-Palestinian group. There weren't that many of them, maybe between 20 and 50 at any one time? A description of the perpetrator should be likely to identify who it was.
There's no video despite everyone recording everything nowadays and not even a description because it didn't actually happen. All these unverified claims of hate speech are used to shut down protests that are mild and legitimate. I've enjoyed walking through the quad the last few days because the encampment gives me something interesting to look at.
We are a racist-police state!!! 💯🔥
Police sent a family member into a crowd of BLM protestors, had them shoot and kill someone. The shooter simply walked through the crowd, up to the police line, and the police took the shooter by the shoulder (did not handcuff them), and walked them back to the end of the police barricade while chatting with them as if old pals. Not to mention the police cars driving onto sidewalks and into parks hitting and running over protestors (even the disabled ones). These state abusive stories and phone videos don't reach the news outlets, but non-evidence anti-semitist stories from UW do 💯🇺🇲🔥
Zero evidence of anyone saying anything like that at UW. But there is evidence of Israel committing war crimes daily while they also commit a genocide.
UW was one of the first schools to celebrate Oct 7. I say celebrate and not protest because Israel had not responded yet, and the celebration flyers depicted the gliders that killed random civilians.
There is indeed evidence of hate for hate's sake at UW.
Yeah I’d love to see the video of her being told this, so far I’ve only seen pro zionists yelling “kill all the j3ws” and “I hope they r4pe you” sooooo I think she might have the lines mixed up lmao
And somehow OP knows they're really Jews in disguise?
Interesting. Maybe the college needs to make all the Jewish students wear some sort of symbol so they can be identified. Yellow stars might be a bit much but I'm sure they could think of something.
Agitating to feed a false narrative is certainly distasteful and immoral, but it does actually "make sense" within their paradigm.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
Open your freaking eyes to what is happening. The people being attacked, being suppressed, being abused, are the people of Palestine and the people demanding that Israel end their illegal massacre.
this girl showed up to ASUW in support of a bill which denied and minimized the death tolls in Gaza. she kicked it all off by describing violence against Israeli women in graphic detail with no disclaimer/warning, after claiming to be a victim of similar traumas - ironic because students had to leave the room since they had also experienced similar things, and the accounts were incredibly graphic and distressing. the bill ultimately got suspended because the guy in charge of it threatened to doxx an entire committee.
So the traumatized students were triggered by a description of violence against israelis, but were open ears when it came time to describe the violence against people in gaza? Does that sound right to you?
Victims of sexual assault are going to be more easily triggered by graphic descriptions of sexual assault than they will be by hearing about people starving to death, or losing their family to bombs/soldiers. I doubt many people in Seattle have experienced the latter, while way too many will have experienced the former
Where was sexual assault mentioned in either comment? “Describing violence against israeli women” does not equate to sexual assault.
Also, even if they were speaking of sexual assault, what do you want them to do if someone says they feel uncomfortable in that situation? Is the speaker supposed to quiet themselves? I am sure that if the another person was speaking about sexual assault against palestinian women, those victims you mentioned would add on to said claims by presenting their own experiences in support.
I dont think you would ask for that speaker to leave if an israeli person said those claims made them feel uncomfortable either.
it was about sexual assault & violent rape. they were describing very vividly the dismemberment and sexual violence against women. it wasn't the description itself that was the problem - it was the lack of warning for something so distressing
You would think that people who would be quickly distressed by such comments would not show up to a hearing about “death tolls in gaza,” where there would almost certainly be people presenting claims in support or against said death tolls.
the bill had been on the agenda for weeks & talks about the actual situation in israel-palestine were rather tame & professional. much different than launching into an incredibly graphic & detailed speech about how women's breasts were being cut off with knives
Is there a “tame and professional scenario” you could imagine in which you would talk about womens breasts being cut off that wouldnt result in people being uncomfortable?
As i said, i dont think uncomfortability is the issue here. It is that the actions are being described in support of israel as opposed to a palestine
of course not, but like i said literally a thousand times, the content was not the issue. it was the lack of a disclaimer. also, the guy footing the bill was notorious for exploiting women's suffering to justify his own agendas.
Serious question, as a native American person is it offensive if I tell any of you to go back to your own country? 99% of you directly benefit from the colonialism of my people. Why is it the subjugated people have to accept the "melting pot" neo-liberal ideology?
i'll open this with saying, just to be clear, i'm stronly pro-palestinian and believe in the one-state solution.
i would say that it's definitely the wrong sentiment to have. i'm a strong supporter of land back and self governance for native people, but I don't think that means people should return back to some country their colonizer great grandfather originated from. i believe in freedom of travel all across the globe, and since people cannot own land(despite the modern capitalist system claiming otherwise) they cannot bar others from residing in some area, though there's obvious examples of where this freedom of travel goes too far, like what the deranged west bank settlers are doing. however, in the end, i do believe that the "melting pot" is a good thing, though i would call it more of a salad bowl, surely we don't just want to create a bunch of ethnostates around the globe.
i'm not claiming that you believe what i said above, i'm just telling you what i think of of when i hear "go back to your own country." at the minimum it's bad optics.
Proof or I just don’t believe it. We’ve had so many people attempting to instigate/fake hate crimes. Like 100 this week. “Don’t hit me with your flag” was my personal favorite.
An extremely large segment of protesters are Jewish and all (except for false flaggers) are fully aware that Zionism is a land-hungry theft Judaism and it’s associated trauma, Zionism does not represent Judaism at all.
If somebody actually did say this, they are just hateful bigots and aren’t really on anybody’s side. And please provide proof.
Recently, I was told by a very left leaning person that I need to believe and support someone who had dealt with neo-nazis even tho we had no evidence that person encountered a neo-nazi. I was told that regardless of the evidence of the claims, questioning the validity of the claims meant I was indirectly supporting Neo-nazis and victim blaming. I was told I need to believe and support those who have experienced something as traumatic as hate and that questioning the validity only serves to spread hate.
It seems that this kind of reasoning doesn't extend to Jewish people getting hated on.
And just to be clear, I think this woman is embellishing her experiences
Yeah no. I have spent several hours in the quad studying while they protest to get an idea of what it is like, and only witnessed one antisemitic remark from a PRO ISRAEL BYSTANDER. While we were protesting, an older man clearly upset by the protest remarked "send them back to Germany" then walked away. The protesters at the encampment gave him no reaction whatsoever. Show me a video, or at least describe what the person who made the remarks look like. There really aren't that many people over there, it would be easy to figure out who did it if you didn't just make this up.
Anyone who says that kind of shit is not representative of the larger movement, and is using the ongoing genocide an an excuse to **actually** be anti-semitic
I'm also a great grand child of a holocaust survivor and I can tell you with 100% certainty that she is lying about having been called names and having been to told to go back to the g*s ch*mbers. Can't believe people are buying this garbage 😂
Yup. Civil rights era tactics. Propaganda, COINTEL… it’s weird that the side that usually staunchly believes in conspiracies, a lot of which have antisemitic origins/assumptions ironically, suddenly don’t think there’s even a “paid actor”, instigator etc at these things. Weird, the fake news must only be for their side?
Hahahaha they post one person interviewed who runs a pro Israel student group and a video of students chanting “the people united…” how does anyone fall for this shit?
That’s unacceptable behavior, really shameful that anti semites are so vocal among people protesting for humane treatment of the people of Gaza. I hope the administration takes action against them.
Honest questions.
Where have you seen evidence that the protesters are supporting Hamas'?
What I see is people protesting the genocide that had been carried out after the Oct attacks.
Please show me at least one protester saying they side with Hamas. But suspect that you will equate someone speaking out against the murder or over 14,000 children as being 'pro-hamas'.
Google genocide retard, dead people are the cost of war, a war that they started. If you’re pro Palestine then you are pro hamas, a modern day nazi and a fucking loser.
People in these comments will say “wheres the evidence” when a pro israel supporter claims something, but will quickly approve of whatever claim a pro palestine supporter says without asking the same question. If it fits your narrative, push it, if it doesnt, deflect and reject.
There are numerous videos online of palestinians, as well as pro palestinian protestors claiming x person has done x to them, with no proof to show other than their word. Nobody is quick to discern those claims, and those who do are belittled
Hostility? I'm yet to get Israel supporters occupying any public spaces and chanting anti Hamas creeds or demanding their tax dollars not go to Palestinians.
Context:
About 8 billion has gone to Palestine in the last twenty years.
Compare to about 18 billion for Israel in the past year alone (regularly about 4 billion every year)
Under the Marshall Plan, the United States contributed $13.3 billion in aid—approximately $150 billion in today’s dollars—to 16 European nations between 1948 and 1951.
You notice that organized governments get support, while failed governments get barely any support?
So, if Hamas can get the government running, instead of building tunnels, and homicidal aspirations, it would be easier to fund them.
They're only in charge of Gaza and only since 07.
Tell me more though about how (or why) we only support those who can support themselves?
I asked chatgpt about it:
One example of the United States supporting movements for democratic change and human rights is its involvement in the Arab Spring. During the Arab Spring, which began in late 2010, the U.S. expressed support for pro-democracy movements in several Middle Eastern and North African countries, including Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya.
In Tunisia, the U.S. supported the transition to democracy following the ousting of President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in 2011, providing diplomatic support and assistance for the country's democratic transition.
In Egypt, the U.S. initially supported the protests against President Hosni Mubarak and called for a transition to democracy. However, its stance became more nuanced after the ousting of Mubarak, as the situation evolved, with the U.S. eventually expressing concerns about human rights violations under subsequent governments.
In Libya, the U.S. supported the opposition to Muammar Gaddafi's regime during the Libyan Civil War, providing military assistance and participating in NATO-led airstrikes to protect civilians and support the opposition forces.
These examples illustrate instances where the United States supported movements for democratic change and human rights, even in situations where the existing governments were challenged or overthrown.
More specifically, Hamas hasn't allowed another democratic election since 2007.
One reason why we support Israel far more than we do Hamas is that only the former is a democracy, however imperfect (a democracy with 20% Arab citizenry).
Oops, not reading your ChatGPT stuff.
Yeah, building tunnels for terroristic ambitions is not something many people want to fund, other than maybe Iran.
Zionists when the "holy land" happens to have semetic people, somehow, totally not because it's been a homeland for semetic folks for thousands of years(not in the colonial sense btw, I'm talking about native civilians) :😟😲😲😲😲😲😲😟😟😟
Also, you gotta love the stupid ass Zionist antisemitism "but the good ones are still alive" headass
Civil rights movement moment.
I may be a showing my paranoid ass here, but how long until we start killing protesters with nightsticks "in the name of"?
Like seriously, yes OBVIOUSLY antisemitism is horrible, but being unable to even describe or provide evidence of a situation that is happening in a protest is fucking psychotic in the sense that it even gets taken seriously.
Even if that were true, and there were people being antisemitic, why does that antisemitism hinge on the continued slaughter of innocent people?
It's because it's not about acknowledging the problem, it's about finding a boodiemam to create rhetoric from.
"""Never know the price of ice, or what swine cost. One dude tried to by the heat, that's when he discovered the "other other white meat".
"Oh the one they hate so well?" ""
-MF DOOM
Basically, antisemitism is so normal, that it's expected to be taken seriously, even if it's coming from a real stupid place.
And a lot of hate is sensationalized "in the name of" greener grass
"I just came from over there, the grass IS greener."
-MF DOOM
i hope the people who were being antisemitic get accounted for, but I don't want this to set precedent to constantly target anti war protests (shmomgoloid) "in the name of" antisemitism.
It's ironically the exact thing Zionist apologists fucking love, because "ma holy land" or whatever, lol.
Ask a racist about the effects of racism, they'll either deny it or downplay it, or say that the victims of racism are "playing the victim". Ditto for sexism, casteism, antisemitism, and others
Wherever there's an allegation of discrimination and there are a bunch of people frantically downplaying it like in the comments here, you know it's there
All you Pro Palestine students. Go to the West Bank. Go to Gaza. I dare you. As soon as word got out you were American- you would be beaten and tortured and raped. The Hamas you so willingly support would kill you in a hot minute. Go ahead.
Name, shame and accountability. Who did the hate speech definitely needs to be suspended or expelled.
Exactly, and when those people aren’t singled out the entire movement gets the blame.
That's the point. IF it even happened(it may have, it might not have) they should be held responsible. Can't stress enough that I'm not flat out denying her claims here There's a very real chance it didn't happen and this is just a way to make the movement look bad. The same thing the police did with BLM protests. It's a KNOWN counter protest tactic and I'm amazed it still works on people
Might not want to do a lot of investigation there, or you’re gonna find it’s actually a Zionist just trying to create a narrative lmao
Yeah the more we dig the more of these protest I walk by - the more I listen the less I hear anything anti Jewish - If she doesn’t feel safe- please tell us who said - go back to the gas chambers and how they KNEW you were Jewish. Some of these allegations are weird as hell…. Walking around Udub campus with my Jewish girlfriend and I don’t know how anyone knows she is Jewish- hell i didn’t know she was Jewish for a few months - met her dad and was like wait dude is Jewish cause he told me… These lies piling up fellas
It’s all lies that why she can’t name anyone. It’s her imagination.
At least she showed her face and identity. And you hiding behind a username spilling vermin. Let people to judge who is telling the truth.
They wear masks and shemaghs a lot, too.
Her word vs actual evidence. The evidence of the protests is that they are overwhelmingly peaceful and don’t respond to agitators. I don’t believe this Zionist propaganda plant for a second
The "Zionist Plant" is a human being and a student. Your dehumanizing language makes me think you are only a few steps away from telling her that yourself.
Dumb equivocation. Saying that one person's report of a threat is unsubstantiated and doesn't align with the majority of protestors isn't dehumanizing anyone. I hope no one did say that to her, but if they did, it was just ANOTHER shitty opinion. Both sides have those. The people saying free Gaza and asking for a 2-state solution are not the ones asking for another genocide
She’s head of an organization that supports an apartheid government that is committing a genocide. How dehumanizing is that?
How is she supposed to know the name of the person who said it?
They need to be deported.
no way y’all are taking this at face value 💀
The only people who believe it are those for whom it’s politically expedient and convenient. AKA zionists and those sympathetic to Israel. No one with more than 2 brain cells would buy this otherwise.
I forgot, we're supposed to believe victims until it's "politically expedient and convenient" not to (because we're antizionist and sympathetic to Palestine), in which call they're liars. Classic. Or maybe we could encourage honest investigation and conversation where we give both sides the benefit of the doubt...just maybe.
But if a black person says a white person is racist we do investigate it… If it’s a cop we all say “where is the body cam” cause we know cops lie and black people lie cause we know cops and black people are people… and PEOPLE lie and emotionally misremember and emblish. So in this situation I’m asking for receipts because we all know how Seattle is… we would denounce the person the second someone said to a Jewish person go back to the gas chamber- we all in unison would say “Yo WTF that’s not cool” We would probably go hug the hell out of that girl if she started crying and shame the hell out of someone that said go back to the gas chamber- let’s not forget who the fck we are
Zionist groups have obliterated all goodwill a hundred times over. Not going to trust pro-Israel orgs for a second, not after all the proven lies that have come out since the invasion of Gaza. They've made a mockery out of "believe all victims." Not believing anyone supporting a fascist ethnostate without receipts.
How about, you treat both sides equally and critique information appropriately. Rather than immediately supporting something as fact because it supports your ideas. Or than immediately calling someone a liar because they said something you don’t like. Because both sides engage in constant misleading bs. It’s RAMPANT. It’s really disgusting to see this one girl immediately being called a liar on Reddit when every single piece of pro Palestine information is super supported. Even when it’s freaking blatant that it’s obviously not true or there’s more to the story. Like a little while ago, the post of the boy who was “shot in the head 11 times and survived” for “delivering bread to his sick grandfather”. Took me a while but I had to manually translate it, then a little research. The 11 times was once, it was years ago and that “bread to grandpa” was really a fucking bomb to soldiers. It was bs, I started researching because who tf believes someone survives being shot in the head 11 times!?! But the comments were all “oh this poor brave young man”.
Okay, and this "information" is that the co-president of this Zionist group said so. Did you watch the video? There's nothing.
And there’s plenty of videos where someone is just saying “ this is happening” and it’s taken at value. What reason do you have to disbelieve her? Is there something of her character other than her having an opinion about a conflict that contradicts your own? Especially when her leaning falls in line with her religion. Are people not allowed to have opinions differing from your own?
Yeah come on - how many times does this have to happen- it’s not victim blaming to ask for evidence - You can’t call someone antisemitic, racist or homophobic and not give evidence - it’s too inflammatory- If she doesn’t feel safe on campus NOW considering all the drugged out homeless people - something must have happened and ramped up that is tangible. But if she is running a pro isreali counter protest and gets into yelling matches - that’s not compromising her universal safety - cause when she leaves she just goes back to looking like the avg Udub student -
I would love an honest piece of evidence provided by the people crying antisemitism, we never see it
I guess the posters plastered all over campus earlier this year (which featured a powered paraglider...a defining symbol of Hamas' attack on Israel involving the slaughter of innocent people at a festival) calling for people to join a pro-Palestine protest weren't enough?
Definitely not, because vague distasteful references and actual confrontations are worlds apart
Those posters were not a "vague distasteful reference" They were a direct reference to the usage of powered paragliders on October 7th to kill innocent, unarmed civilians at a music festival. Name any other time in place Hamas has used such tactics before October 7th. Placing such iconography next to calls to protest for Palestine is an implicit condonation of Hamas' actions (literally killing Jewish people for being Jewish) and therefore antisemitic.
Sounds like a stretch. Free Palestine and free Gaza from the Israeli fourth Reich. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/04/world/middleeast/gaza-famine-mccain-israel.html
I believe I gave a very straight forward argument for why the posters were a symbol of violence against Jewish people. It's a shame that so few people in your movement are willing to engage honestly.
Where did you see those posters? I saw a couple next to Mary Gates, that's about it. I tore some of them off obviously
Well they gave you anti semitism when you asked for it
No this just falls flatly into a known counter protest tactic... She could be telling the truth, but then why go to the media to whine about it instead of getting campus security to deal with someone violating campus policies on hate speech? It's an old old ancient practice to either instigate or fabricate negative things about protesters to devalue them morally in the eyes of the public. Police did it with BLM, police did it with civil rights protesters, it happened with women's suffrage, it happened with Vietnam protests.
Of course that's exactly what she should have done because the University is clearly taking the encampments seriously and has a great track record handling hate speech (from both sides) in the past.... The total refusal to examine the behaviors of your own movement critically is exactly what's pushing so many people who also detest the actions of Israel to oppose you (myself included).
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When are they going to imvent rhe wheel?
Taking what at face value? That they are calling jews to go back to gas chambers? Yeah sir, im afraid it is as simple as that, fanatic pro hamas people do that all the time everyday.
Entirely an aside, but: Yuck, SeattleWA comments continue to be rather shit
As a WA resident, id assume 99 percent of the people in that sub are not from Seattle, they are literally to ignorant about the city to even convince me that a single one of them lives there lmao Then again, "Seattle" is kinda a broad place lol They could be from gaddamned Bellevue and still be "from Seattle" lmao
You think most udub students are “from seattle”? 50% of the students are Chinese/other immigrants. Just because someone is temporarily attending OUR college for 4 years does not make them “from here”.
Ok. I was referring to the Seattle Washington subreddit you dingus.
If everyone insulted others online using words like dingus, goofball, poopstain, etc., the world would be a better place
Here’s one of those r/seattleWA people you were just talking about
r Seattle comments aren't the shiny beacon of hope either.
UWT on top
Any evidence, witnesses, details of incident, descriptions of people? Or is it just her word? These claims are so outrageous it’s hard to believe there isn’t one video clip in this day and age. Getting spit on? “Gas chamber”?
Suspicious editing for me on this news clip. Fox cuts the video after she talks about stuff happening on campus, then returns to her talking about gas chambers. They obviously want us to think someone at the encampment (or at least on campus) said that, but it's not clear that's even what she's claiming.
Local Fox channels are not the same thing as Fox News.
I was looking for this… people we are being fed what they want us to believe
I thought we were believing victims?
If it was an isolated incident I’d agree, but we DO have many recordings of this sort of stuff from universities all over the country right now with these protests. Her claims are outrageous sure, but sadly quite believable at the moment.
Do you want to post any links or videos?
Literally just go look it up. There are tons of isolated individuals performing in the same way (not necessarily words about gas chambers), at multiple universities.
Only one I've seen was somebody the media picked up as shouting "kill the jews" who turned out to be an obvious zionist counterprotester/agitator (literally waving the Israeli flag as he said it before immediately getting boo'd by the crowd). Like, I don't doubt there are some anti-semites at the protests... it's just that most of it is coming from Zionists harassing Jewish protestors in support of Gaza, calling them "self hating jews" or "bad jews". What little of it *has* been found amongst the protestors (of course it's there, antisemitism is a broad social issue that worms its way everywhere) is sparse enough that you can hardly say it represents the protestors. It's pretty obvious that the media is just pouncing at every allegation against the protestors (regardless of its voracity) as an opportunity to smear them as antisemites. Coverage around this has been disgustingly dishonest.
Evidence should be easy to obtain if this is a regular occurrence. The fact she has no evidence means this is straight up lies and zionist propaganda
My dude… do a single solitary google search. Yale and Columbia are exhibits A and B right now.
Completely unverified claims from the leader of "Students Supporting Israel" doesn't feel remotely worth a post or anyone's time.
I'm Jewish. Visibly Jewish. I look like a walking stereotype. I've never felt unsafe on campus because of pro-palestine protests. I have, however, been told that I'm a self loathing (slur for Jewish people that might get me banned), that I'm a disgrace, and a few months ago that (when I said I didn't have time to deal with them because I was on my way to chemotherapy) I deserve to be killed by my cancer, all of these were from people waving Israeli flags.
Hey good luck with the chemo, you seem awesome
Tysm but I actually wrapped up a while ago (hopefully 🤞! It could theoretically come back but my oncologist says it's unlikely). I was told the Cancer thing well before this most recent conflict even started back last May (so I guess closer to a year than a few months, things move fast when you're not paying attentio). Zionists have always been like this and they've always wanted a monopoly on the Jewish experience
I hope that you are doing well mentally emotionally and physically. Don’t forget to rest eat and stay hydrated -a mom from campus.
Yooooo. Thats messed up. I hope your chemotherapy goes well and the person who said such a hurtful thing has uncontrollable diarrhea every time they sneeze.
I like this for karma. It's not too cruel, but enough to get their attention.
agreed - thank you for saying this
Students supporting Israel is basically students supporting genocide and still centering themselves as victims. Absolutely wild. Like we do all get that in a few years those who supported Israel are going to look real bad, right? Or have we not gotten there yet? Historically speaking, the, shit college students have protested has turned out to be quite sensible to protest in the long run. The Vietnam War, Nuclear War, Apartheid in South Africa, segregation, etc? Maybe let's be smart about what side of history you want to be on. Probably not the one who kills tens of thousands of kids, bombs hospitals, and destroys 80% of civilian infrastructure.
Unfortunately, they will do exactly what the boomers did. They will pretend they were on the right side of history years after it becomes fashionable to do so and get ready to be the shock troops against the next protest movement. All while shouting that they already fixed this with *their* protests they were definitely a part of and what the hell do these dumb kids know? Maybe it's time to call the national guard, they'll say.
The Nazis considered themselves victims of the Jews. That is literally the justification. They are bad to me, so they should be removed from existence. Truth is not important.
> segregation Time to do some reading on that one. Not to mention the American Bund in the 30s and a few other youth protests that weren't exactly progressive.
agreed! !!! Solidarity with the protesters personally.
Ah antisemitism. You are a closet nazi aren't you? Oh wait, you aren't hiding it.
Nope, just against genocide using my tax dollars bud.
There are most certainly war crimes that Israel is perpetrating against Palestine, no doubt. But nothing they are doing is even remotely close to the definition of genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide and wipe out a racial or ethnic group off of the face of the earth, they have the capability to do that to Palestine in minutes.
The International Criminal Court believes it's Genocide and Bibi is whining to biden about getting brought up on charges. So...
As mentioned, I do believe Israel has committed war crimes. I have looked up the ICC papers and they don’t mention genocide. And I’m talking strictly about the definition. What Israel is doing does not meet that definition.
Can..... can you read? The entire proceeding was about determining the validity of the genocide claims. It would be impossible to miss if you read read even a single page. The finding of the court was that there was plausible evidence that Israel is engaging in genocide. The name of the South African case is "Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of ***Genocide*** in the Gaza Strip". Like, who are you trying to fool?
I'm sorry are you a scholar of genocide? Because the scholars of genocide - including those working within Israel - disagree with your hot take my dude: [But don't take it from me, take it from Amos Goldberg](https://thepalestineproject.medium.com/yes-it-is-genocide-634a07ea27d4)
Article 4(2)(c) of the Statute provides that genocide can be committed by “deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”. Examples of such acts punishable under Article 4(2)(c) include, inter alia, subjecting the group to a subsistence diet; failing to provide adequate medical care; systematically expelling members of the group from their homes; and generally creating circumstances that would lead to a slow death such as the lack of proper food, water, shelter, clothing, sanitation, or subjecting members of the group to excessive work or physical exertion. Israel has full control over imports into Gaza and is fully responsible for the ongoing famine, disease, dehydration, etc. that they have caused by withholding essential needs while destroying around 50% of homes as well as a large portion of vital infrastructure in Gaza. This isn’t just war, it’s the physical destruction of Gaza and creating conditions for the destruction of its people. While it isn’t necessary that people die for Article 4(2)(c) to have been violated, people are dying.
You mean what they’re literally an openly planning right now in Rafah? Israel knew they couldn’t just do it all at once, so they played this long six-month game where they acted like they needed to amp up their fight until they flattened all of Gaza. Then they’ll say “oops we tried not to but …”
Just do yourself a favor and google "genocide" next time before you use a term completely incorrectly and make yourself look like an ignoramus.
She *claims* somebody said that. Notice how they didn’t interview Muslim students to see if they felt “safe”, many have been harassed and threatened
exactly. fuck zionists. loud and annoying and ridiculous
Right!? Like the videos from UCLA? FAKE RIGHT??
are "the videos from UCLA" in the room with us?
You mean the videos of pro-Israel protestors spraying the pro-Palestine protestors with mace, throwing rats near the tents and saying "I hope Hamas rapes you"?
There were plenty of news cameras capturing the pro-Palestinian group. There weren't that many of them, maybe between 20 and 50 at any one time? A description of the perpetrator should be likely to identify who it was.
There's no video despite everyone recording everything nowadays and not even a description because it didn't actually happen. All these unverified claims of hate speech are used to shut down protests that are mild and legitimate. I've enjoyed walking through the quad the last few days because the encampment gives me something interesting to look at.
Preach
More r/SeattleWA shit
We are a racist-police state!!! 💯🔥 Police sent a family member into a crowd of BLM protestors, had them shoot and kill someone. The shooter simply walked through the crowd, up to the police line, and the police took the shooter by the shoulder (did not handcuff them), and walked them back to the end of the police barricade while chatting with them as if old pals. Not to mention the police cars driving onto sidewalks and into parks hitting and running over protestors (even the disabled ones). These state abusive stories and phone videos don't reach the news outlets, but non-evidence anti-semitist stories from UW do 💯🇺🇲🔥
Zero evidence of anyone saying anything like that at UW. But there is evidence of Israel committing war crimes daily while they also commit a genocide.
UW was one of the first schools to celebrate Oct 7. I say celebrate and not protest because Israel had not responded yet, and the celebration flyers depicted the gliders that killed random civilians. There is indeed evidence of hate for hate's sake at UW.
Again, zero evidence while israel daily commits war crimes, murders and starves children.
Blood fart? You okay, bud?
With the mass murder of children? Nah. How are you?
I was commenting on your username...
Oh.. yeah im good bud! The name is an homage to a fallen friend. Why do you ask?
Civilians? You mean the ones with military training, living on disputed land in a war zone, behind reinforced compounds?
This is 99% chance bullshit. Go stir the pot some where else. Lmfao
Yeah I’d love to see the video of her being told this, so far I’ve only seen pro zionists yelling “kill all the j3ws” and “I hope they r4pe you” sooooo I think she might have the lines mixed up lmao
You heard people who are "pro-Zionist" (as in, believes Israel has the right to exist) yelling "kill all the Jews"? That makes zero sense.
They're trying to disguise themselves as Pro-Palestine to make them look antisemitic.
And somehow OP knows they're really Jews in disguise? Interesting. Maybe the college needs to make all the Jewish students wear some sort of symbol so they can be identified. Yellow stars might be a bit much but I'm sure they could think of something.
There are more Christian Zionists in this country than Jewish Zionists. Even seen Trinity Broadcasting Network?
Most Israel supporters aren't even Jewish, you don't need to be Jewish to be pro israel
Yeah makes no sense to me either but neither does committing genocide after having your own people genocided
Agitating to feed a false narrative is certainly distasteful and immoral, but it does actually "make sense" within their paradigm. https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested Open your freaking eyes to what is happening. The people being attacked, being suppressed, being abused, are the people of Palestine and the people demanding that Israel end their illegal massacre.
I don’t believe her. Where’s the proof?
The president of “Students for Israel?” Ok, sure Jan.
this girl showed up to ASUW in support of a bill which denied and minimized the death tolls in Gaza. she kicked it all off by describing violence against Israeli women in graphic detail with no disclaimer/warning, after claiming to be a victim of similar traumas - ironic because students had to leave the room since they had also experienced similar things, and the accounts were incredibly graphic and distressing. the bill ultimately got suspended because the guy in charge of it threatened to doxx an entire committee.
So the traumatized students were triggered by a description of violence against israelis, but were open ears when it came time to describe the violence against people in gaza? Does that sound right to you?
Victims of sexual assault are going to be more easily triggered by graphic descriptions of sexual assault than they will be by hearing about people starving to death, or losing their family to bombs/soldiers. I doubt many people in Seattle have experienced the latter, while way too many will have experienced the former
Where was sexual assault mentioned in either comment? “Describing violence against israeli women” does not equate to sexual assault. Also, even if they were speaking of sexual assault, what do you want them to do if someone says they feel uncomfortable in that situation? Is the speaker supposed to quiet themselves? I am sure that if the another person was speaking about sexual assault against palestinian women, those victims you mentioned would add on to said claims by presenting their own experiences in support. I dont think you would ask for that speaker to leave if an israeli person said those claims made them feel uncomfortable either.
it was about sexual assault & violent rape. they were describing very vividly the dismemberment and sexual violence against women. it wasn't the description itself that was the problem - it was the lack of warning for something so distressing
You would think that people who would be quickly distressed by such comments would not show up to a hearing about “death tolls in gaza,” where there would almost certainly be people presenting claims in support or against said death tolls.
the bill had been on the agenda for weeks & talks about the actual situation in israel-palestine were rather tame & professional. much different than launching into an incredibly graphic & detailed speech about how women's breasts were being cut off with knives
Is there a “tame and professional scenario” you could imagine in which you would talk about womens breasts being cut off that wouldnt result in people being uncomfortable? As i said, i dont think uncomfortability is the issue here. It is that the actions are being described in support of israel as opposed to a palestine
of course not, but like i said literally a thousand times, the content was not the issue. it was the lack of a disclaimer. also, the guy footing the bill was notorious for exploiting women's suffering to justify his own agendas.
Well, then id say she should have presented a disclaimer if that is truly the issue. You shouldnt let that take away from what she said though
Serious question, as a native American person is it offensive if I tell any of you to go back to your own country? 99% of you directly benefit from the colonialism of my people. Why is it the subjugated people have to accept the "melting pot" neo-liberal ideology?
Lol right?
i'll open this with saying, just to be clear, i'm stronly pro-palestinian and believe in the one-state solution. i would say that it's definitely the wrong sentiment to have. i'm a strong supporter of land back and self governance for native people, but I don't think that means people should return back to some country their colonizer great grandfather originated from. i believe in freedom of travel all across the globe, and since people cannot own land(despite the modern capitalist system claiming otherwise) they cannot bar others from residing in some area, though there's obvious examples of where this freedom of travel goes too far, like what the deranged west bank settlers are doing. however, in the end, i do believe that the "melting pot" is a good thing, though i would call it more of a salad bowl, surely we don't just want to create a bunch of ethnostates around the globe. i'm not claiming that you believe what i said above, i'm just telling you what i think of of when i hear "go back to your own country." at the minimum it's bad optics.
People can't own land?
"Fox"
Proof or I just don’t believe it. We’ve had so many people attempting to instigate/fake hate crimes. Like 100 this week. “Don’t hit me with your flag” was my personal favorite. An extremely large segment of protesters are Jewish and all (except for false flaggers) are fully aware that Zionism is a land-hungry theft Judaism and it’s associated trauma, Zionism does not represent Judaism at all. If somebody actually did say this, they are just hateful bigots and aren’t really on anybody’s side. And please provide proof.
Lot of folks in the comments saying she is lying....were any of you so passionate and so quick to call out Jussie Smollet?
There has been soooo much gaslighting around these protest, I can't just accept this at face value anymore
Recently, I was told by a very left leaning person that I need to believe and support someone who had dealt with neo-nazis even tho we had no evidence that person encountered a neo-nazi. I was told that regardless of the evidence of the claims, questioning the validity of the claims meant I was indirectly supporting Neo-nazis and victim blaming. I was told I need to believe and support those who have experienced something as traumatic as hate and that questioning the validity only serves to spread hate. It seems that this kind of reasoning doesn't extend to Jewish people getting hated on. And just to be clear, I think this woman is embellishing her experiences
It's nonsense reasoning regardless of who it applies to.
I agree, but it was clear I was the black sheep in that situation.
Anyone saying you shouldn't need evidence is hiding something.
Yeah no. I have spent several hours in the quad studying while they protest to get an idea of what it is like, and only witnessed one antisemitic remark from a PRO ISRAEL BYSTANDER. While we were protesting, an older man clearly upset by the protest remarked "send them back to Germany" then walked away. The protesters at the encampment gave him no reaction whatsoever. Show me a video, or at least describe what the person who made the remarks look like. There really aren't that many people over there, it would be easy to figure out who did it if you didn't just make this up.
Anyone who says that kind of shit is not representative of the larger movement, and is using the ongoing genocide an an excuse to **actually** be anti-semitic
This is fake news
There’s Jewish students who are protesting on behalf of Palestinians. Show video/audio proof or stfu with your blatant propaganda
Doubt.
Video evidence or it didn't happen.
I'm also a great grand child of a holocaust survivor and I can tell you with 100% certainty that she is lying about having been called names and having been to told to go back to the g*s ch*mbers. Can't believe people are buying this garbage 😂
Send these entitled brats to the military. They can protest at the front lines. Some of these kids need to get punched in the fuckin mouth.
Me when I lie
Why can't people separate the actions of Israel from regular people who happen to be Jewish in the rest of the world
That does not surprise me when you get into bed with terrorists.
Probably a psyop trying to make the other protestors look bad. #FreePalestine
Yup. Civil rights era tactics. Propaganda, COINTEL… it’s weird that the side that usually staunchly believes in conspiracies, a lot of which have antisemitic origins/assumptions ironically, suddenly don’t think there’s even a “paid actor”, instigator etc at these things. Weird, the fake news must only be for their side?
Yup! 🤜
You guys do that to yourself with or without your psyop
History will vindicate these protestors, just like it did for the Iraq and Vietnam protestors. Cope.
Hahahaha they post one person interviewed who runs a pro Israel student group and a video of students chanting “the people united…” how does anyone fall for this shit?
That’s unacceptable behavior, really shameful that anti semites are so vocal among people protesting for humane treatment of the people of Gaza. I hope the administration takes action against them.
"Black's Rule"
Winning hearts and minds, I see
All these kids were just waiting around for something to protest for. Brains aren't matured yet I think.
A bunch of antisemitic Hamas supporters.
Honest questions. Where have you seen evidence that the protesters are supporting Hamas'? What I see is people protesting the genocide that had been carried out after the Oct attacks. Please show me at least one protester saying they side with Hamas. But suspect that you will equate someone speaking out against the murder or over 14,000 children as being 'pro-hamas'.
Please show me one protester that demands Hamas to step down from power and release the hostages. How do we know over 14k children have been murdered?
okay, easy, i'm a protestor there, i demand Hamas step down from power and release the hostages.
Google genocide retard, dead people are the cost of war, a war that they started. If you’re pro Palestine then you are pro hamas, a modern day nazi and a fucking loser.
I know being a young kid is tough and the world is a confusing place to you, don't worry though things make more sense as you get older.
✨ ever believing anything you see on the internet ✨
Pics or it didn’t happen
She’s literally a self proclaimed Zionist. Not gonna take her word on anything
People in these comments will say “wheres the evidence” when a pro israel supporter claims something, but will quickly approve of whatever claim a pro palestine supporter says without asking the same question. If it fits your narrative, push it, if it doesnt, deflect and reject.
What pro palestinian claims have not been given evidence?
There are numerous videos online of palestinians, as well as pro palestinian protestors claiming x person has done x to them, with no proof to show other than their word. Nobody is quick to discern those claims, and those who do are belittled
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From either side? It's 99% from one side that is obvious.
Huh? Jewish students are raising hell being and violent? Nice try.
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Hostility? I'm yet to get Israel supporters occupying any public spaces and chanting anti Hamas creeds or demanding their tax dollars not go to Palestinians.
Context: About 8 billion has gone to Palestine in the last twenty years. Compare to about 18 billion for Israel in the past year alone (regularly about 4 billion every year)
Now do Marshall Plan.
Under the Marshall Plan, the United States contributed $13.3 billion in aid—approximately $150 billion in today’s dollars—to 16 European nations between 1948 and 1951.
You notice that organized governments get support, while failed governments get barely any support? So, if Hamas can get the government running, instead of building tunnels, and homicidal aspirations, it would be easier to fund them.
They're only in charge of Gaza and only since 07. Tell me more though about how (or why) we only support those who can support themselves? I asked chatgpt about it: One example of the United States supporting movements for democratic change and human rights is its involvement in the Arab Spring. During the Arab Spring, which began in late 2010, the U.S. expressed support for pro-democracy movements in several Middle Eastern and North African countries, including Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya. In Tunisia, the U.S. supported the transition to democracy following the ousting of President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in 2011, providing diplomatic support and assistance for the country's democratic transition. In Egypt, the U.S. initially supported the protests against President Hosni Mubarak and called for a transition to democracy. However, its stance became more nuanced after the ousting of Mubarak, as the situation evolved, with the U.S. eventually expressing concerns about human rights violations under subsequent governments. In Libya, the U.S. supported the opposition to Muammar Gaddafi's regime during the Libyan Civil War, providing military assistance and participating in NATO-led airstrikes to protect civilians and support the opposition forces. These examples illustrate instances where the United States supported movements for democratic change and human rights, even in situations where the existing governments were challenged or overthrown.
More specifically, Hamas hasn't allowed another democratic election since 2007. One reason why we support Israel far more than we do Hamas is that only the former is a democracy, however imperfect (a democracy with 20% Arab citizenry).
Oops, not reading your ChatGPT stuff. Yeah, building tunnels for terroristic ambitions is not something many people want to fund, other than maybe Iran.
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Wait, wait till you hear about the semites that are being murdered by Israel
Zionists when the "holy land" happens to have semetic people, somehow, totally not because it's been a homeland for semetic folks for thousands of years(not in the colonial sense btw, I'm talking about native civilians) :😟😲😲😲😲😲😲😟😟😟 Also, you gotta love the stupid ass Zionist antisemitism "but the good ones are still alive" headass
Civil rights movement moment. I may be a showing my paranoid ass here, but how long until we start killing protesters with nightsticks "in the name of"? Like seriously, yes OBVIOUSLY antisemitism is horrible, but being unable to even describe or provide evidence of a situation that is happening in a protest is fucking psychotic in the sense that it even gets taken seriously. Even if that were true, and there were people being antisemitic, why does that antisemitism hinge on the continued slaughter of innocent people? It's because it's not about acknowledging the problem, it's about finding a boodiemam to create rhetoric from. """Never know the price of ice, or what swine cost. One dude tried to by the heat, that's when he discovered the "other other white meat". "Oh the one they hate so well?" "" -MF DOOM Basically, antisemitism is so normal, that it's expected to be taken seriously, even if it's coming from a real stupid place. And a lot of hate is sensationalized "in the name of" greener grass "I just came from over there, the grass IS greener." -MF DOOM i hope the people who were being antisemitic get accounted for, but I don't want this to set precedent to constantly target anti war protests (shmomgoloid) "in the name of" antisemitism. It's ironically the exact thing Zionist apologists fucking love, because "ma holy land" or whatever, lol.
Ask a racist about the effects of racism, they'll either deny it or downplay it, or say that the victims of racism are "playing the victim". Ditto for sexism, casteism, antisemitism, and others Wherever there's an allegation of discrimination and there are a bunch of people frantically downplaying it like in the comments here, you know it's there
This smells like BS
All you Pro Palestine students. Go to the West Bank. Go to Gaza. I dare you. As soon as word got out you were American- you would be beaten and tortured and raped. The Hamas you so willingly support would kill you in a hot minute. Go ahead.
LOL
Yeah so let's kill em all!!!! Yay collective punishment!!!!!
Well that's just stupid. Who made it out of the gas chambers? And if they did, they'd be old af right now, and definitely not enrolled in uni.