My father was a professional athlete and used to go to Mexico City for conditioning (3000m over the sea level) to train for a pair of months before competitions
This is the way. Stay at sea level or lower altitude to practice technique. You can train longer and get in more reps. Go to altitude to work on conditioning.
My dad lives outside of Vegas, and there's a bar on top of the mountain pass (mountain springs saloon) that's about a mile high.
Every beer there was like 2-3 at sea level. It's nuts how much of a difference it makes.
Because of the air density there are adaptations to the red blood cells that allows for more oxygen to be moved when you get down to sea level where it is more dense.
Ahh so density because there's actually less?
I think what happens is the body produces more red blood cells so that it can maintain what the body needs for oxygen transport so when you come back down your body can deliver more.
Historic populations of people from very high altitudes (Andes, Tibet, Rift Valley, etc) have genes that allow for better oxygen transport. This is permanent.
Training at high altitude will temporarily raise your EPO and red blood cell count which also allows for better oxygen transport. This is temporary though only lasting a few weeks after leaving altitude
Depends how much time they actually spend up there. The capitol is where they train, and that’s basically sea level, so there wouldn’t be an advantage there. If they go up to the mountains to train for weeks at time, then yes. That’s also where they go to hide out from USADA
I think that was a long time ago though. I could be wrong but I think the bulk of their training takes place at sea level, so their amazing cardio comes through old fashion hard work, not just because they train at altitude.
Yes, but I am pretty certain those videos of them training in the mountains are from many years ago. Their training now is mostly at sea level. Training at altitude years ago won’t give them any kind of benefit now
6/10 fastest marathoners ever are Kenyan, alongside like a million other long-distance records. If your "East Africa long distance running" theory doesn't include Kenya it's worthless lol, so guy has a point.
For the record, the highest peaks in Africa outside Kilimanjaro are found in Kenya. But there are tons of places with higher altitude than East Africa. That's not simply why.
You say living at high altitude with a consequent conditioning advantage is why people from east Africa dominate long distance running.
They say I thought Kenya and the surrounding area were flat and therefore your altitude theory is flawed/wrong.
You just saying "Kenya isn't the only place in eastern Africa" comes off as my theory is correct, it just applies to countries besides Kenya—because *if Kenya is flat, your theory is bogus, given that Kenya and Tanzania are the two east African countries that dominate long-distance running.*
that's all I got atp
It's not only that,
It's living without luxury, living a very simple but hard/modest life. That's why these Dagestanis are such a force, just look at Khabib's training vids with his pops and group, out in the mountain no fancy gym, no women, no partying, no supermarket or whatsoever
Just you and like-minded guys that want to just only train and become the best
The benefits of altitude have been known for a long time. It’s often spoken about when there are cards in Mexico or Colorado. Training under hypoxia is beneficial for endurance.
Training at altitude provides a lot of advantages, US trains at altitude in Colorado Springs.
Juicing is also helpful, Russians are known to JUICE. Shouldn't be a surprise that they stop fighting early, probably to prevent their organs from melting.
Westerns fighters shouldn't go to SA or UAE if they are smart.
I remember going to a gym at high altitude and doing stairmaster. Usually stairmaster is easy for me but at the high altitude gym, i was huffing and puffing and breathing harder than usual.
Absolutely. Your body increases its BPG levels at high altitude which allows oxygen to be delivered through out your body more efficiently.
So if you have higher BPG levels at lower altitude your body has access to more oxygen which means you get less tired as more oxygen for energy production is available per breath.
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2 schools of thought
1 conditioning your body to more efficiently process oxygen, by training in oxygen deficient environments helps- true
2 training in oxygen deficient environments means not being able to train at max body capability, workouts are likely less intense and for a shorter duration- also true, + or - 30 minutes of training 5x a week (conservative numbers imo) adds up to +- 120 hours of training a year
I imagine there’s a curve where once you develop elite conditioning to be able to handle the low oxygen, and can thrive in low oxygen scenarios, the feedback cycle is maximized and results in elite of elite conditioning
Research says there is not a difference at sea level for training done at altitude. It helps tremendously with performance at altitude, but at sea level there is not a measurable increase in performance. However I suspect that for some people it does make a difference.
Same joke was told by Frankie Boyle. Suppose people were just as sensitive too back then. It's crazy how many AKA members are on reddit today. Must be busy shut in atm...
Same joke was told in a context of "hey, i'm a guy that does provocative shit, it's an event where i"ll do exactly that, and also here is a paragraph of a setup for the punch line".
Context matters.
My father was a professional athlete and used to go to Mexico City for conditioning (3000m over the sea level) to train for a pair of months before competitions
Your father was Cain Velasquez??
Fabricio Werdum
^ a man who knows his history
Sea level fatha
This is the way. Stay at sea level or lower altitude to practice technique. You can train longer and get in more reps. Go to altitude to work on conditioning.
Cave training
Derrick Lewis did something similar. That’s why he has the best cardio in the HW division.
Why does Hasbullah looked like a shitty photoshop attempt 😭
He has "resting Photoshop body" syndrome
Photoshop would be putting him on the ridge behind without changing the aspect ratio :)
Definitely helps cardio
Have we not learned anything from dragon ball!
I can tell you that since moving to Colorado, my drinking powers have multiplied at lower altitude back home
My dad lives outside of Vegas, and there's a bar on top of the mountain pass (mountain springs saloon) that's about a mile high. Every beer there was like 2-3 at sea level. It's nuts how much of a difference it makes.
Lmao. Yeah the blackout creeps up much faster
So if u start getting too drunk you just go back down the mountain?
Yeah, but be sure to use the zipline
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That's why I only come down from my shack in the woods to deliver packages. Ironically I moved from NC to Colorado. Definite adjustment
Unabomber? Is that you?
Listen, David, how many times do we have to have this convo about snitchin'?
Very interesting. Science!
Gotta be the coolest "uncool" thing I can think of
Because of the air density there are adaptations to the red blood cells that allows for more oxygen to be moved when you get down to sea level where it is more dense.
not necessarily density but o2 content but it decreases with density anyways so the same thing
Ahh so density because there's actually less? I think what happens is the body produces more red blood cells so that it can maintain what the body needs for oxygen transport so when you come back down your body can deliver more.
More blood cells, thicker and stronger heart walls and higher haemoglobin content
Yes, lots of adaptations!
Historic populations of people from very high altitudes (Andes, Tibet, Rift Valley, etc) have genes that allow for better oxygen transport. This is permanent. Training at high altitude will temporarily raise your EPO and red blood cell count which also allows for better oxygen transport. This is temporary though only lasting a few weeks after leaving altitude
Isnt that the same with sherpas?
Yep. They have some gene called EPAS1 that is unique to Tibet.
Depends how much time they actually spend up there. The capitol is where they train, and that’s basically sea level, so there wouldn’t be an advantage there. If they go up to the mountains to train for weeks at time, then yes. That’s also where they go to hide out from USADA
Khabibs father used to do regular six week training camps at one of the highest altitudes he could the boys to
I think that was a long time ago though. I could be wrong but I think the bulk of their training takes place at sea level, so their amazing cardio comes through old fashion hard work, not just because they train at altitude.
Wouldn't training at altitude be harder work?
Yes, but I am pretty certain those videos of them training in the mountains are from many years ago. Their training now is mostly at sea level. Training at altitude years ago won’t give them any kind of benefit now
Gotcha! I also would think the benefit goes away pretty fast since they don't actually have the EPAS1 gene.
People need to watch Khabib and Islam before and after they joined AKA. It's not a coincidence that that gym has had a ton of champions.
Didnt Khabibs father start AKA? Which means he never really trained elsewhere.
No, aka was started by Frank Shamrock and Javier Mendez. I don't even think Khabibs dad has ever visited the USA
Yes it’s why people from east Africa dominate long distance running usually. East Africa is almost all mountains.
Interesting, I thought Kenya and surrounding were flat.
Actually, I believe you're confusing Kenya and surrounding area with joe mama
Kenya is not the only place in Eastern Africa.
6/10 fastest marathoners ever are Kenyan, alongside like a million other long-distance records. If your "East Africa long distance running" theory doesn't include Kenya it's worthless lol, so guy has a point. For the record, the highest peaks in Africa outside Kilimanjaro are found in Kenya. But there are tons of places with higher altitude than East Africa. That's not simply why.
Why would it not include Kenya? My point being Kenya is not the only country in the region of east Africa. That’s my only point.
You say living at high altitude with a consequent conditioning advantage is why people from east Africa dominate long distance running. They say I thought Kenya and the surrounding area were flat and therefore your altitude theory is flawed/wrong. You just saying "Kenya isn't the only place in eastern Africa" comes off as my theory is correct, it just applies to countries besides Kenya—because *if Kenya is flat, your theory is bogus, given that Kenya and Tanzania are the two east African countries that dominate long-distance running.* that's all I got atp
It’s not all that, their( yeah, vague, take it as Kenyans, I’m not anthropologist) traditional lifestyle has a lot of movement requirements
I wonder how an athlete from La Rinconada will perform.
Dangerously
Yeah it does
 Dis guy killing them on the training sessions plus crazy mountains results in great conditioning
It's not only that, It's living without luxury, living a very simple but hard/modest life. That's why these Dagestanis are such a force, just look at Khabib's training vids with his pops and group, out in the mountain no fancy gym, no women, no partying, no supermarket or whatsoever Just you and like-minded guys that want to just only train and become the best
Supermarkets are definitely holding some guys back
Imagine Jon Jones or Alex Pereira without a supermarket. 🤯
And über eat
The cult around these people is ridiculous. Have a look at what trouble khabib is in
They're just talking UFC-wise. We're in a UFC sub
Yes, it's been known for 50+ years
Russian state doping certainly helps aswell
Yes, same with fighters who live in Denver or Mexico City
For sure. The higher you go, the less air there is
The benefits of altitude have been known for a long time. It’s often spoken about when there are cards in Mexico or Colorado. Training under hypoxia is beneficial for endurance.
There's a reason why people go to Colorado all the time before fights and to train for sports. Working at elevation strengthens the cardio.
Eagles MMA is in Derbent, Dagestan which is actually right by the water. it's literally only a few feet above sea level
Yes, and not drinking alcohol.
Did someone really make a post asking about altitude training?
He's probably 12
Almost certainly
Training at altitude provides a lot of advantages, US trains at altitude in Colorado Springs. Juicing is also helpful, Russians are known to JUICE. Shouldn't be a surprise that they stop fighting early, probably to prevent their organs from melting. Westerns fighters shouldn't go to SA or UAE if they are smart.
The capital city is only 10 m above sea level.
Yes, high altitude training is well documented in other endeavors / sports too.
What’s a mini trash can doing up there?
Hiding from getting tested
What about when they train at AKA?
Is that why DDP is surprisingly good and winning? Pretoria is a high altitude city
I fear the FALLING.
I remember going to a gym at high altitude and doing stairmaster. Usually stairmaster is easy for me but at the high altitude gym, i was huffing and puffing and breathing harder than usual.
Absolutely. Your body increases its BPG levels at high altitude which allows oxygen to be delivered through out your body more efficiently. So if you have higher BPG levels at lower altitude your body has access to more oxygen which means you get less tired as more oxygen for energy production is available per breath.
Obviously not. Looks like that dude in the back got shrunk by atmospheric pressure
Makhachkala is at sea level and it’s main city Dagestani fighters come from
Yes for sure. These mountains and area looks amazing!
Legit thought he was hiking with his kid at first. 😂
Yes, as well as the lack of drug testing.
Yes. It's why Olympians train in the rockies
A popular training camp for boxers is big bear in California because of its elevation
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That and the EPO.
2 schools of thought 1 conditioning your body to more efficiently process oxygen, by training in oxygen deficient environments helps- true 2 training in oxygen deficient environments means not being able to train at max body capability, workouts are likely less intense and for a shorter duration- also true, + or - 30 minutes of training 5x a week (conservative numbers imo) adds up to +- 120 hours of training a year I imagine there’s a curve where once you develop elite conditioning to be able to handle the low oxygen, and can thrive in low oxygen scenarios, the feedback cycle is maximized and results in elite of elite conditioning
Research says there is not a difference at sea level for training done at altitude. It helps tremendously with performance at altitude, but at sea level there is not a measurable increase in performance. However I suspect that for some people it does make a difference.
Dagestan isn’t even in high elevation AFAIK, but they do occasionally train in the mountains.
Out there hiding from Spetsnaz
Thats why Dricus has such good cardio. Lives high above sea level
I dunno but that view is fucking amazing.
Definitely, but it boils down to their own skills as not all the Dagestani fighters are successful.
Probably, but it also helps that no drug testing agency is hiring rock climbers to get to remote dagestani villages
You should be looking for someone like Yair that can’t be reached by USADA for 3 consecutive times. The Dagestanis never had that issue AFAIK
The steroids too…
Yes!
Yes
Yup Colorado has the advantage too
It's actually from holding down their sisters to stop them from fucking them
Not the hentai nerd talking lmao
Haha fair. There are some sensitive flowers in this bunch
>sensitive flowers Nah chief. You are just weird.
Same joke was told by Frankie Boyle. Suppose people were just as sensitive too back then. It's crazy how many AKA members are on reddit today. Must be busy shut in atm...
Same joke was told in a context of "hey, i'm a guy that does provocative shit, it's an event where i"ll do exactly that, and also here is a paragraph of a setup for the punch line". Context matters.
So reddit is a place where this type of humour does not belong. I should have been more aware.
Again, not what I said.
He didn't tell a paragraph before the punchline if that's what's bothering you.
Lol you’re clearly a loser irl to be so hateful and jealous.
Hateful and jealous or a joke? Islam is probably the best fighter active right now. There you go
No it’s PED’s
Allegedly they have their own secret sauce.
The inbreeding also helps
Possibly but the advantages of training at altitude is overrated.
I was told by someone that training at high altitudes is not what helps you but sleeping at high ltitudes does.
How so ?
You with a little fairy dust punch of EPO.