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this what it looks now.
I'm from the USA and after the war is over I completely want to see all of Ukraine! I'm like a WW2 buff so ill visit sites where the historic battles were and things like that too.
Places I can't wait to visit:
Kyiv
Snake Island
Diving venture to see the Moskva reef
Mariupol
Odessa
...Of course, once Ukraine wins and its safe, but there is a bright future for Ukraine in so many ways!
I'm sure you will want to visit [my town Voznesensk ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60840081) in Mykolayv region. We are planning to come back our town soon.
Snake island is a really a must too. Mariupol would be a really heartbroken visits. The few before and after pictures I have seen is terrible. There is more or less no more city. Russian is really trying to wipe out Ukraine history.
Ultimately it's up to the incredibly strong people of Ukraine to decide. May it shine and be a beacon of strength for those rebuilding their home. Love your sentiment, the image of something so good and wholesome towering over what's left of the orcs at the bottom of the black sea.
That island belong to spirit of Achilles. Maybe return it back to him would be the best choice. With a separate monument to note the bravery shown by the Ukrainian defenders. Sinking of Moskva, etc.
It's fitting that it's the final resting place of the fiercest warrior of antiquity. Peace at last.
More likely Snake Island will be a heavily fortified military installation to ward off future Russian incursions. I doubt tourists will be able to land there.
For generations the tiny island has been both a strategic outpost and an easy target for bombardment. It has changed hands numerous times, usually violently. Ukraine will have to build serious reinforcements with anti-aircraft and ship-killing missiles in order to protect it.
Actually, it was open to the public, there was even a small museum of antiquities with Greek amphoras and other archaeological findings from the area. Likely destroyed now.
Ulura is a big rock, thousands of km's from anywhere and there is a lot of tourists go there.
When I come to Ukraine as a tourist, I would like to see Snake Island.
Moscova reef will be such a cool diving spot.
In Crimea back, we'll build hotels, bring clean water, have Ukrainian themed water parks, a NATO handicap 36 golf club, a naval base filled with seized yachts, lined by posh restaurants.
We'll turn snake Island into an ecological reserve.
I would add Lviv in there. Beautiful city. I literally navigated my way through the downtown area by the little coffee stands on the sidewalks.
I spent 5 weeks there in April/May and I do plan to go back. And I'll be taking my family once the shit show is over.
-Deep sea diving to the Moskva & see dolphins with lasers.
-At least three top-notch cities to visit (Lviv, Kyiv, & Odessa)
-Mountains with incredible caves (some of the deepest in the world) for spelunking
-A gorgeous coast (once demined)
-Gotta go fishing in mykolaiv, it’s just what Ukrainians do
-Some interesting off the beaten path type stuff like Chernobyl & Odessa catacombs
I'm sure I'm not alone and like many others At Petersburg & Moscow where on my list of cities to visit, now that Russians have shown themselves to be no better than Nazi Germany, I'll never as long as I live set foot in nor contribute in anyway towards Russia or its interests. Now Kyiv & Odessa are top of that list, can't wait to visit when you kick those utter disgrace to humanity out of your beautiful country.
We will be super happy to welcome the tourists and thank all those who's been supporting us all this time. I live in a tourist city (Odesa) and honestly I miss the crowds of tourists that used to annoy me
Odesa was on my list, for years now. I actually had booked a hotel room in 2019, but wasn't able to go. I've been to Russia twice, lived there for a few months, two decades ago. I'd wanted to see St. Petersburg, and maybe Volgograd, but now I will never spend another ruble in that godforsaken country.
I look forward to my Ukraine visit! I hope it will be soon. Be safe!
I don't know how realistic and useful it is, but I would do it:
Ukraine Government should set up, after the defeat of the Orcs, a "Let's clean up" program.
Foreigners will get hosted by Ukraine for a period of time, to clean up the mess. I would take asap 2 or 3 weeks vacation and just do heavy work in Ukraine. Just give me a place to sleep and food, I will even pay for it, like I would do for a vacation in a 5 star resort in Thailand. So Ukraine has my working power and additional money.
I, too, would like to visit the beautiful places of Ukraine. No doubt could places like Odessa be even greater tourist destinations.
But only when the Ukrainians are ready for it. The toll they are paying is huge and it may take a while before it becomes palatable to see tourists trampling on the graves of your valorous dead.
Those programs may be set up where you can spend your vacation helping. Building, clearing, farming. The currency you need to bring is effort.
A friend of mine visited Ukraine last year and said it’s beautiful, impressively big and full of friendly people. The thing that impressed him most was the Chernobyl site.
I don't want Snake Island to be like Santorini. Hundreds of tourist boats and crowds of day trippers who flatten everything. In general, I would like travelers to visit Ukraine for its scenic beauty and significant historical importance. Cultural monuments and historical places. They also stay longer in the country and learn more about Ukraine and Ukrainians than the sensational tourists. And that's good for both sides. I will definitely come. Either when I'm needed in the reconstruction or upgrading of the fiber optic infrastructure, or just because I want to expand my knowledge of the Black Sea countries
Because most people can take max 2-3 weeks of holiday at a time.
And by being a “builder” do you mean the OP is supposed to literally lay bricks or operate a crane?
Not even that much. People in the service/retail industry get none, and get fired if they take a week off for a funeral/marriage/sickness. Of all the people that lost their job due to covid, the majority were fired because of violating "call out" policies after the covid-job-protections ended.
100% Ukraine recently made my bucket-list of place I absolutely have to see before I die. I want to visit places like Bucha, Hostomel, Mariupol, and other sites and pay tribute to those gave everything to defend not just Ukraine, but the entire free world.
Also, Ukraine looks just lovely around Easter time!
People with skills needed for rebuilding Ukraine should also consider “voluntourism”. Search for “Ukraine voluntourism” and you can already find organizations preparing to help.
We have to show Putin and Xi Jinping that the world will not back down from authoritarian aggression.
This is extremely short-sighted perspective. Telling this as a Ukrainian in Kyiv.
Tourism is a great way to boost economy. Small business will boom, with working places and all. Service standarts will go up to match the levels that European and USA people are used to. Money will pour into the country and, what is the most important, those would be "healthy money". What I mean is donations and charities are good for disasters and right now we need them, but they are also "crutches" that should only be used when needed and eventually we will need to learn how to manage to "walk" on our own. Money from tourism would be "healthy" in a way that they will be "earned" in exchange for some service or product, as it should be, not "demanded" or "begged". And yes, those money, those taxes people will pay *will* help rebuild.
Of course it will not happen *soon*, this shouldn't even be told. No one expects we win tomorrow or next month. At *this* moment donations and volunteers are much more valuable than tourists. But it shouldn't be like that always.
>And sorry…. We don’t need you as a tourist, we need you as a rebuilder of the country.
Being a tourist is one of the few ways most people can help rebuild. I can't build anything, I give to charity everything I can, let me come and dump a chunk of my annual savings in your country on food and hotels and train tickets and tacky souvenirs. That money will help maintain local businesses and filter into reconstruction programs via taxes.
That being said, I feel like OP is Putting his cart before the horse. Even if the war is over before 2023, Russia will probably keep lobbing cruise missiles over the border every so often until they run out or devolve into civil war, and Mariupol will be several years before there's anything there to visit. Rebuilding people's homes and business will take priority over tourist attractions, and it's going to take a long time. Disaster tourism is offensive, and the way some people are romanticizing the war is not okay.
We'll also need a lot of moneys for rebuilding, so it's not a good idea to reject the tourism. Also, we have a lot to tell the world about our country and the tourism is a great way to tell the tale.
This! It will be important for people to see the scope of the brutality for themselves. This is not vital for Ukraine but Europe especially. What is happening in Ukraine can happen anywhere if people and leaders are not vigilant. Humans need to stop using war as a tool for fixing problems. As an American, I especially think it is a lesson my government and people need to learn
Tourism is one great way to establish relations next to business. It will be an important revenue stream also. Ukraine 🇺🇦 could be a central European Israel or Taiwan. A strong independent nation, but with thick ties to the US
I am not sure what you mean by open up - Ukraine has been totally open to tourism for... years?
It makes me sad to think of the beautiful country being overrun by tourists who want to feel the exhilaration of ruins (I know this is an exaggeration).
There is a mix of new curiosity and desire to financially support the country by visiting in person.
I mean... I'm French. I live in the UK, but travelled a lot all over the world. I still haven't visited countries I've been thinking of for decades, like Japan.
Ukraine... Just never made my bucketlist, before. It was a sometimes-pro Russian Post soviet country with Chornobyl in it. I didn't know much more, besides photos of spring celebrations, etc.
Most of my knowledge of Ukraine was through my Polish friends... But that also means I had more plans of visiting *Poland* than Ukraine.
Europe is big. If you can pick any country to visit, all things equal I will pick a place where I don't need a visa, has no borders, shares the same currency, or has friends of mine, and locations I'm already curious about.
This simply never was Ukraine.
Now though, I assume visiting will be significant, will help, and it's not like going down the coast there would be unpleasant! I'd tour the museums, see the art, eat all the delicious food... I'd probably go with my polish friends x'D
Tourism is a significant part of the GDP of many countries. People whom in the past been unable to find Ukraine on a map now can point a finger to the correct locations of many of its cities, which leads to "I never knew they had that there" (googles flights to ukraine).
Unfortunately these russkie "tourists" are more than a thorn in the arse. Ukraine is still working hard to accommodate all of them in special hotel a.k.a POW camp.
I think for some it is a way of seeing it for themselves, with their own eyes, to truly understand what has happened.
Video and pictures only convey so much. I don't think it is always so different to leaders and politicians doing the same thing.
Such things galvanise the soul for what must be done and they will tell of what they witnessed their whole lifetime.
Ukraine it’s beautiful and very affordable! Don’t forget to be friend of locals in villages, they’ll invite you Samogon.
Next time I got here I want to visit Uzhorod and Lviv and the carpathian mountains.
I'd imagine tourist places will be strictly limited to certain zones for years if not decades because it will take that long to de-mine / remove all the artillery shells that failed to detonate, and it's highly likely they'll never be able to remove them all.
I'll add that, I'm a few years out, but Ukraine looks like a great place to retire to on the average american retirement income. Been lurking around some Ukraine real estate/wood worker hobby sites.
Crimea was *the* tourist destination before Russia came into it. I remember going there with my parents and the mountains, beaches, and the historic Vorontsov castle are gorgeous!!!
One place I always wanted to visit but didn’t get to yet are Karpatian Mountains. Beautiful nature! Still dream of going there when war is over.
Their are many Volga Germans in the US and Canada. These are people whose ancestors emigrated from Ukraine .They are primarily located from central Canada. , plains states of US down to the hill country of Texas. North Dakota St Univ used to take annual tours back to Ukraine. The university has a lot of info about Volga Germans.
I have been wanting to visit Lviv and Odessa for a really long time now. I imagine Odessa to be a wonderful multicultural place by the Black Sea 🌊. I have visited most of eastern Europe by Train, but as soon as you come to the Poland/Ukraine Border travel time by train goes up badly cause of the Russian track width from there on
I was born in Sevestopal so I'd love to visit. I just have a rule against visiting places under a fascist dictatorship.
My maternal grandparents are from Zaparozhya! Can't wait to go!
As an aside... I really don't like the official English spelling (Zaporizhzhia) for Zaparozhya cause that's not how they say it. [Za-pa-ro-zhya]
As a tourist who has been there several times, Kyiv itself is a great wandering city. The churches, parks, catacombs, they're all beautiful to see. There's great inexpensive traditional restaurants where you can sample a bit of everything. Chernobyl was my main reason for going, and I ended up heading back a second time to see more of it as it was so fascinating. The countryside is beautiful, though you can see that there is little wealth in much of it. The people were a highlight though - they were kind, relaxed and good natured.
A thing that struck me was it was commonplace for people to meet near their homes and just have a beer on the street as the blossom fell. They don't all gather in bars. But whereas people drinking on the street in other cities would be a big warning sign to me, it felt the opposite here. Friendly. Social.
I hope to see it again soon and see more of the rest of the country.
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I personally can't wait to go to my wife's parents house in Kharkiv again, sit in the backyard by the garden, have a beer from the Piva Bank, and eat some homemade Shashlik. I miss Ukraine. We have been there every summer since my kids have been born, this is the first year we will miss. Next year i hope to be back with my family in Ukraine.
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Sladinka harachi cukaruza!
‘Sweet hot corn’
As you lay on the beach and the vendors wonder by.
Riba, baklava, piva!
Dry fish, baklava, beer
Can’t wait to sip Ukrainian beer and watch my kids swim in azov again. After a long day rebuilding some random old ladies home.
I’m a remote IT worker, my boss is already supportive of my plans.
To specifically answer your questions, you could spend years traveling Ukraine and not see it fully.
Carpathian Mountains in west, Odessa, Kyiv, cities along the Dnipro, the fun resort towns on azov.
They even have a desert, small yet largest in Europe.
People are friendly no one ever bothered my obviously idiotic American self.
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Even if that were the case... (might wanna check out the irretrievably, though) with postage stamps as proof where the stuff is getting sent from, I'll admit I quotient have much of an issue of having my money land in some actual Ukrainian pockets...
The 3 main tourist desinations in Ukraine are Kyiv, Lviv and Odesa, but there's lots more to see than those, such as historic Kamyanets-Podilsky, the Carpathians and lots of other historic towns and cities, there are many castles if you're interested in those. Chornobyl was a popular destination for Western tourists before the war, not somewhere I've ever wanted to go and even less so now after what the Russians have done there.
Pretty much yeah, quite a bit tamer in terms of weather. Not gonna lie the overall tourism infrastructure is not the best, in most places, but in terms of nature, I would not want to be living anywhere else. We go mushroom hunting every Autumn, and in the summer do some kayaking on the Dnipro river or chill on the Black Sea coast, got a few hot springs around where those two meet, healthy as fuck, full of minerals. Hard to get to though, pretty much a mud road to the geysers, that's an example of infrastructure problems.
Erm, and russians did burn some forests around where I live so not sure how that will be after this is all over, and I guess the water won't be save for a while too. But shit, give it like a decade and I'm sure you won't regret visiting.
It sounds amazing. The forest fires will weirdly make the forest grow back thicker by sometime next year or so. The hot springs could do with a bit of a gravel path but you don’t want absolutely everyone traipsing up there. 😂 one of those special treat places. It adds th the allure of you know a great spot to take guests.
Lviv is awesome. Kyiv was great and as an American very cheap. I'm not sure how long before they do tours to chernobyl but I did that in 2017 with my brother in law ( family lives in ivano frankivsk.)
I hope they go green and build a europe that the rest of europe then models after
Could be epic, lets build it
They already have partnerships with several hydrogen, renewables and next gen partnerships brewing
Their fields could be perfect for safs for rolls royce pearl 10x and ultra fan engines that use 100% cheap green biofuels by 2030 … could be am amazing future if we live to see it
Chornobyl was actually really interesting. Went there last year with my wife. I also enjoyed Zaporizhia Sich... It's the island between the two sides of the city. Just don't get lost like we did.
Been to Ukraine couple of times and it is very nice place.
My favourite part was women selling home made stuff on the platforms of the train stations when the train made its stop.
The food was fucking amazing and changed from region to region as the train went.
I'm down to go. Decided that this year in fact. 100% in response to making sure Ukraine's economy rebounds properly with foreign funds coming in.
Fuck Russia.
I'd love to come and work. Give me a shovel. Give me a hammer and some nails. Don't give me anything! Point me at a pile of bricks that need sorting. If we could get a "volunteer corps" of the able bodied and willing. Whew! What we could do together!
Never travelled outside North America but I’ve always wanted to go to Ukraine to see where my family came from, and I will definitely find a way to make it happen and help support some local rescues when I go.
Ukraine was always open to tourism.ive visited numerous places there. The funniest thing was the map of Kiev my hotel gave me. It had all the names, streets, monuments etc translated from Ukrainian Cyrillic into english!!! Interesting but totally useless to get around the city with since the signs were all in………Ukranian🤪
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Dont forget about Crimea, after we libertate it. It was no.1(or close to) tourism/resort center in Ukraine untill 2014
[https://www.rferl.org/a/crimea-tourism-suffering-war-ukraine-russia/31862510.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/crimea-tourism-suffering-war-ukraine-russia/31862510.html) this what it looks now.
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I'm from the USA and after the war is over I completely want to see all of Ukraine! I'm like a WW2 buff so ill visit sites where the historic battles were and things like that too. Places I can't wait to visit: Kyiv Snake Island Diving venture to see the Moskva reef Mariupol Odessa ...Of course, once Ukraine wins and its safe, but there is a bright future for Ukraine in so many ways!
I'm sure you will want to visit [my town Voznesensk ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60840081) in Mykolayv region. We are planning to come back our town soon.
We can all pitch in and help rebuild here, there and everywhere.
Wat do you mean we can? We WILL!!!!
Absolutely!
Snake island is a really a must too. Mariupol would be a really heartbroken visits. The few before and after pictures I have seen is terrible. There is more or less no more city. Russian is really trying to wipe out Ukraine history.
I‘m pretty sure Snake Island will become a national monument when this is over
They should build their version of the Statue of Liberty there, whatever that may be. Or, perhaps France could also donate one. :)
Saint Javelin
Haha! I like it, though I think it’d be better to emphasize peace and liberty, rather than glorifying war.
Ultimately it's up to the incredibly strong people of Ukraine to decide. May it shine and be a beacon of strength for those rebuilding their home. Love your sentiment, the image of something so good and wholesome towering over what's left of the orcs at the bottom of the black sea.
Statue of a soldier showing the finger.
4 solid bronze statues each facing a different direction standing guard.
That island belong to spirit of Achilles. Maybe return it back to him would be the best choice. With a separate monument to note the bravery shown by the Ukrainian defenders. Sinking of Moskva, etc. It's fitting that it's the final resting place of the fiercest warrior of antiquity. Peace at last.
Isn't Snake Island essentially a military outpost normally? Did they ever allow people to visit?
More likely Snake Island will be a heavily fortified military installation to ward off future Russian incursions. I doubt tourists will be able to land there. For generations the tiny island has been both a strategic outpost and an easy target for bombardment. It has changed hands numerous times, usually violently. Ukraine will have to build serious reinforcements with anti-aircraft and ship-killing missiles in order to protect it.
They should get Putin pics in the urinals…I may even try to pee standing up for that
How could you forget glorious Chornobayivka?
UXO is probably not good for tourists in the short term, but during peace Chornobayivka was the Kherson International Airport.
Snake island might not be opened to tourists. AFAIK it was never open. There is simply no infrastructure for that
Actually, it was open to the public, there was even a small museum of antiquities with Greek amphoras and other archaeological findings from the area. Likely destroyed now.
that can change, take Alcatraz Island as an example.
Yeah, it's pretty much a flat rock without anything on it, don't know why people would want to go there.
Ulura is a big rock, thousands of km's from anywhere and there is a lot of tourists go there. When I come to Ukraine as a tourist, I would like to see Snake Island.
Ulura is a big cool rock on land, Snake Island is a small flat rock some 35 KM away from the coast.
Yeah, I guess we'll just have to hope that scientists in the future invent a way to transport large groups of people via water
I wouldn't get on any such scientific experiment after seeing what happened to the Moskva special research vessel.
Moscova reef will be such a cool diving spot. In Crimea back, we'll build hotels, bring clean water, have Ukrainian themed water parks, a NATO handicap 36 golf club, a naval base filled with seized yachts, lined by posh restaurants. We'll turn snake Island into an ecological reserve.
>Diving venture to see the Moskva reef The Black Sea is a lot deeper than people think it is.
I would add Lviv in there. Beautiful city. I literally navigated my way through the downtown area by the little coffee stands on the sidewalks. I spent 5 weeks there in April/May and I do plan to go back. And I'll be taking my family once the shit show is over.
-Deep sea diving to the Moskva & see dolphins with lasers. -At least three top-notch cities to visit (Lviv, Kyiv, & Odessa) -Mountains with incredible caves (some of the deepest in the world) for spelunking -A gorgeous coast (once demined) -Gotta go fishing in mykolaiv, it’s just what Ukrainians do -Some interesting off the beaten path type stuff like Chernobyl & Odessa catacombs
There are lots of battle tours pre-2022 in Airbnb experiences.
Snake Island should be turned into a resort.
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Such friendly advice, would totally follow up.
Spent the last 8 weeks in Ukraine. The country is beautiful but the people are next level AMAZING.
What were you doing there?
Working for a NGO
Appreciate you if it was humanitarian type work.
That's all it was
I'd like to book my 2023 summer vacation and voluntering on Crimea. Right after the last vessels of black fleet got moskvaed. Who is in?
Sounds really nice, I would love help Ukraine rebuild. I really hope the war will end by the that time.
I'm sure I'm not alone and like many others At Petersburg & Moscow where on my list of cities to visit, now that Russians have shown themselves to be no better than Nazi Germany, I'll never as long as I live set foot in nor contribute in anyway towards Russia or its interests. Now Kyiv & Odessa are top of that list, can't wait to visit when you kick those utter disgrace to humanity out of your beautiful country.
Yeah I wanted to visit st Petersburg too. Maybe should have done it earlier, don't want to give them money now.
Same here! Would highly recommend Poland as an alternative but Ukraine is on the list for someday though. Happy future travels 😊
We will be super happy to welcome the tourists and thank all those who's been supporting us all this time. I live in a tourist city (Odesa) and honestly I miss the crowds of tourists that used to annoy me
I hope I can come from 🇨🇦 to annoy you next year
I would love that :)
I'd love to visit Odesa.
Odesa was on my list, for years now. I actually had booked a hotel room in 2019, but wasn't able to go. I've been to Russia twice, lived there for a few months, two decades ago. I'd wanted to see St. Petersburg, and maybe Volgograd, but now I will never spend another ruble in that godforsaken country. I look forward to my Ukraine visit! I hope it will be soon. Be safe!
We hope to be able to receive you soon.
Lviv is a must.
I second this
I don't know how realistic and useful it is, but I would do it: Ukraine Government should set up, after the defeat of the Orcs, a "Let's clean up" program. Foreigners will get hosted by Ukraine for a period of time, to clean up the mess. I would take asap 2 or 3 weeks vacation and just do heavy work in Ukraine. Just give me a place to sleep and food, I will even pay for it, like I would do for a vacation in a 5 star resort in Thailand. So Ukraine has my working power and additional money.
Similar groups were organized after Hurricane Katrina in the US.
The locals will be happy to host I'm sure, we are very welcoming people. As long as you're ok with outhouses 🙂
Haha, no problem, encounterd them in several countries.
I was thinking of that too. I'd love to participate.
This. A week ago my 5-year-old daughter asked me, "Daddy, when the war is over can you take me to Ukraine?" I promised that I would
I, too, would like to visit the beautiful places of Ukraine. No doubt could places like Odessa be even greater tourist destinations. But only when the Ukrainians are ready for it. The toll they are paying is huge and it may take a while before it becomes palatable to see tourists trampling on the graves of your valorous dead. Those programs may be set up where you can spend your vacation helping. Building, clearing, farming. The currency you need to bring is effort.
I am Ukrainian and will definitely travel by car to every possible places where battles were
It may be a bit ghoulish this early on, but there’s serious revinue in Battlefield tours.
There needs to be a major ordinance clearance in a lot of areas before it'll be safe for people to traipse around.
Good idea. It’d take the sheen off proceedings if someone wanders onto a landmine.
A friend of mine visited Ukraine last year and said it’s beautiful, impressively big and full of friendly people. The thing that impressed him most was the Chernobyl site.
The Chernobyl site is not necessarily “full of friendly people”… I’d say quite opposite in fact
I don't want Snake Island to be like Santorini. Hundreds of tourist boats and crowds of day trippers who flatten everything. In general, I would like travelers to visit Ukraine for its scenic beauty and significant historical importance. Cultural monuments and historical places. They also stay longer in the country and learn more about Ukraine and Ukrainians than the sensational tourists. And that's good for both sides. I will definitely come. Either when I'm needed in the reconstruction or upgrading of the fiber optic infrastructure, or just because I want to expand my knowledge of the Black Sea countries
There will 100% be some kind of monument on that island
An outstretched middle finger 5 meters high
If I could upvote this 100x I would. I almost bought coins for this!
Snake Island does not have many beaches so Santorini is not an option.
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Because most people can take max 2-3 weeks of holiday at a time. And by being a “builder” do you mean the OP is supposed to literally lay bricks or operate a crane?
2 to 3 weeks at a time?
I think in the US most people get max 10 days of paid holiday per year?
Not even that much. People in the service/retail industry get none, and get fired if they take a week off for a funeral/marriage/sickness. Of all the people that lost their job due to covid, the majority were fired because of violating "call out" policies after the covid-job-protections ended.
This isn't really the place....
I'm lucky I have 20 days now due to service time but when I started full-time I had 10 days and I certainly could not take them all at once.
100% Ukraine recently made my bucket-list of place I absolutely have to see before I die. I want to visit places like Bucha, Hostomel, Mariupol, and other sites and pay tribute to those gave everything to defend not just Ukraine, but the entire free world. Also, Ukraine looks just lovely around Easter time!
People with skills needed for rebuilding Ukraine should also consider “voluntourism”. Search for “Ukraine voluntourism” and you can already find organizations preparing to help. We have to show Putin and Xi Jinping that the world will not back down from authoritarian aggression.
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This is extremely short-sighted perspective. Telling this as a Ukrainian in Kyiv. Tourism is a great way to boost economy. Small business will boom, with working places and all. Service standarts will go up to match the levels that European and USA people are used to. Money will pour into the country and, what is the most important, those would be "healthy money". What I mean is donations and charities are good for disasters and right now we need them, but they are also "crutches" that should only be used when needed and eventually we will need to learn how to manage to "walk" on our own. Money from tourism would be "healthy" in a way that they will be "earned" in exchange for some service or product, as it should be, not "demanded" or "begged". And yes, those money, those taxes people will pay *will* help rebuild. Of course it will not happen *soon*, this shouldn't even be told. No one expects we win tomorrow or next month. At *this* moment donations and volunteers are much more valuable than tourists. But it shouldn't be like that always.
>And sorry…. We don’t need you as a tourist, we need you as a rebuilder of the country. Being a tourist is one of the few ways most people can help rebuild. I can't build anything, I give to charity everything I can, let me come and dump a chunk of my annual savings in your country on food and hotels and train tickets and tacky souvenirs. That money will help maintain local businesses and filter into reconstruction programs via taxes. That being said, I feel like OP is Putting his cart before the horse. Even if the war is over before 2023, Russia will probably keep lobbing cruise missiles over the border every so often until they run out or devolve into civil war, and Mariupol will be several years before there's anything there to visit. Rebuilding people's homes and business will take priority over tourist attractions, and it's going to take a long time. Disaster tourism is offensive, and the way some people are romanticizing the war is not okay.
We'll also need a lot of moneys for rebuilding, so it's not a good idea to reject the tourism. Also, we have a lot to tell the world about our country and the tourism is a great way to tell the tale.
This! It will be important for people to see the scope of the brutality for themselves. This is not vital for Ukraine but Europe especially. What is happening in Ukraine can happen anywhere if people and leaders are not vigilant. Humans need to stop using war as a tool for fixing problems. As an American, I especially think it is a lesson my government and people need to learn
Tourism is one great way to establish relations next to business. It will be an important revenue stream also. Ukraine 🇺🇦 could be a central European Israel or Taiwan. A strong independent nation, but with thick ties to the US
I am not sure what you mean by open up - Ukraine has been totally open to tourism for... years? It makes me sad to think of the beautiful country being overrun by tourists who want to feel the exhilaration of ruins (I know this is an exaggeration).
There is a mix of new curiosity and desire to financially support the country by visiting in person. I mean... I'm French. I live in the UK, but travelled a lot all over the world. I still haven't visited countries I've been thinking of for decades, like Japan. Ukraine... Just never made my bucketlist, before. It was a sometimes-pro Russian Post soviet country with Chornobyl in it. I didn't know much more, besides photos of spring celebrations, etc. Most of my knowledge of Ukraine was through my Polish friends... But that also means I had more plans of visiting *Poland* than Ukraine. Europe is big. If you can pick any country to visit, all things equal I will pick a place where I don't need a visa, has no borders, shares the same currency, or has friends of mine, and locations I'm already curious about. This simply never was Ukraine. Now though, I assume visiting will be significant, will help, and it's not like going down the coast there would be unpleasant! I'd tour the museums, see the art, eat all the delicious food... I'd probably go with my polish friends x'D
Tourism is a significant part of the GDP of many countries. People whom in the past been unable to find Ukraine on a map now can point a finger to the correct locations of many of its cities, which leads to "I never knew they had that there" (googles flights to ukraine).
Unfortunately these russkie "tourists" are more than a thorn in the arse. Ukraine is still working hard to accommodate all of them in special hotel a.k.a POW camp.
Hard to believe, but there are people who are travelling to Ukraine as "tourists" now, visiting such places as Bucha and Irpin to see the destruction.
I think for some it is a way of seeing it for themselves, with their own eyes, to truly understand what has happened. Video and pictures only convey so much. I don't think it is always so different to leaders and politicians doing the same thing. Such things galvanise the soul for what must be done and they will tell of what they witnessed their whole lifetime.
Lots of demining to do first.
Have you donated any money to Ukraine Charities or Aid Groups? Right now, your money can help Ukraine so you can visit later.
Ukraine it’s beautiful and very affordable! Don’t forget to be friend of locals in villages, they’ll invite you Samogon. Next time I got here I want to visit Uzhorod and Lviv and the carpathian mountains.
Samohon is beautiful and you should be very, *very* careful with it because the aftermath is not always as beautiful.
I’ve never got wasted with it but I can imagine lol one shot always makes me instantly tipsy.
I (American) made the mistake of going shot-for-shot with a Ukrainian guy 17 years my junior on it a few years ago. Never. Again.
I'd imagine tourist places will be strictly limited to certain zones for years if not decades because it will take that long to de-mine / remove all the artillery shells that failed to detonate, and it's highly likely they'll never be able to remove them all.
I'll add that, I'm a few years out, but Ukraine looks like a great place to retire to on the average american retirement income. Been lurking around some Ukraine real estate/wood worker hobby sites.
That's been in my sights for almost a decade now, yeah. I'll still keep looking
Crimea was *the* tourist destination before Russia came into it. I remember going there with my parents and the mountains, beaches, and the historic Vorontsov castle are gorgeous!!! One place I always wanted to visit but didn’t get to yet are Karpatian Mountains. Beautiful nature! Still dream of going there when war is over.
After the war the great rebuilding must begin. Perhaps volunteer builders from around the world will go and help.
Their are many Volga Germans in the US and Canada. These are people whose ancestors emigrated from Ukraine .They are primarily located from central Canada. , plains states of US down to the hill country of Texas. North Dakota St Univ used to take annual tours back to Ukraine. The university has a lot of info about Volga Germans.
I thought the Volga Germans emigrated from the Volga region of Russia, like Saratov and Tsaritsyn (Volgograd)
They were all over. My family emigrated from a couple hours from Odessa
Once you've had Ukrainian food, you never go back. Welcome to Ukraine!!!!
I visited Kyiv back in 1989, interesting seeing a protest about some sort of problems with the nuke industry...this was back in the USSR days
I want to visit my new friend in Odesa.
As a brit I would love a trip to snake island and Odessa
I have been wanting to visit Lviv and Odessa for a really long time now. I imagine Odessa to be a wonderful multicultural place by the Black Sea 🌊. I have visited most of eastern Europe by Train, but as soon as you come to the Poland/Ukraine Border travel time by train goes up badly cause of the Russian track width from there on
I was born in Sevestopal so I'd love to visit. I just have a rule against visiting places under a fascist dictatorship. My maternal grandparents are from Zaparozhya! Can't wait to go! As an aside... I really don't like the official English spelling (Zaporizhzhia) for Zaparozhya cause that's not how they say it. [Za-pa-ro-zhya]
As a tourist who has been there several times, Kyiv itself is a great wandering city. The churches, parks, catacombs, they're all beautiful to see. There's great inexpensive traditional restaurants where you can sample a bit of everything. Chernobyl was my main reason for going, and I ended up heading back a second time to see more of it as it was so fascinating. The countryside is beautiful, though you can see that there is little wealth in much of it. The people were a highlight though - they were kind, relaxed and good natured. A thing that struck me was it was commonplace for people to meet near their homes and just have a beer on the street as the blossom fell. They don't all gather in bars. But whereas people drinking on the street in other cities would be a big warning sign to me, it felt the opposite here. Friendly. Social. I hope to see it again soon and see more of the rest of the country.
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That's like traveling to Puerto Rico right after the hurricane. Unless you are going to help rebuild you are in the way
I personally can't wait to go to my wife's parents house in Kharkiv again, sit in the backyard by the garden, have a beer from the Piva Bank, and eat some homemade Shashlik. I miss Ukraine. We have been there every summer since my kids have been born, this is the first year we will miss. Next year i hope to be back with my family in Ukraine.
I would pay bug money just to go to snake island and shout infront of a little shit boat "Russian warship go fuck yourself"
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Sladinka harachi cukaruza! ‘Sweet hot corn’ As you lay on the beach and the vendors wonder by. Riba, baklava, piva! Dry fish, baklava, beer Can’t wait to sip Ukrainian beer and watch my kids swim in azov again. After a long day rebuilding some random old ladies home. I’m a remote IT worker, my boss is already supportive of my plans. To specifically answer your questions, you could spend years traveling Ukraine and not see it fully. Carpathian Mountains in west, Odessa, Kyiv, cities along the Dnipro, the fun resort towns on azov. They even have a desert, small yet largest in Europe. People are friendly no one ever bothered my obviously idiotic American self.
Let them clear some mines first.
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I can't blame you for what you just said, because you don't know me.
Even if that were the case... (might wanna check out the irretrievably, though) with postage stamps as proof where the stuff is getting sent from, I'll admit I quotient have much of an issue of having my money land in some actual Ukrainian pockets...
What’s there to see and do? Link to lonely planet hot spots of the world?
The 3 main tourist desinations in Ukraine are Kyiv, Lviv and Odesa, but there's lots more to see than those, such as historic Kamyanets-Podilsky, the Carpathians and lots of other historic towns and cities, there are many castles if you're interested in those. Chornobyl was a popular destination for Western tourists before the war, not somewhere I've ever wanted to go and even less so now after what the Russians have done there.
south of Ukraine is seriously amazing
Isn’t it a similar climate to the Mediterranean?
Pretty much yeah, quite a bit tamer in terms of weather. Not gonna lie the overall tourism infrastructure is not the best, in most places, but in terms of nature, I would not want to be living anywhere else. We go mushroom hunting every Autumn, and in the summer do some kayaking on the Dnipro river or chill on the Black Sea coast, got a few hot springs around where those two meet, healthy as fuck, full of minerals. Hard to get to though, pretty much a mud road to the geysers, that's an example of infrastructure problems. Erm, and russians did burn some forests around where I live so not sure how that will be after this is all over, and I guess the water won't be save for a while too. But shit, give it like a decade and I'm sure you won't regret visiting.
It sounds amazing. The forest fires will weirdly make the forest grow back thicker by sometime next year or so. The hot springs could do with a bit of a gravel path but you don’t want absolutely everyone traipsing up there. 😂 one of those special treat places. It adds th the allure of you know a great spot to take guests.
Yeah we will bounce back for sure, thank you! And the EU prospect, if that ever happens, I'm sure will be a big boost to the tourism development.
It’ll be really good for your economy. All the pollution will clear up in time too. Nature is ridiculously resilient.
Tank driving tours!!!!
I want to visit the Carpathian Mountains area. The mountain range is in most of europe, but Ukraine has the best part.
It's going to be hard for Ukraine to attract a lot of Tourism for some time, even after the war ends.
I definitely wish to do a skydive over free Crimea and a dive on a Moskva reef
I too want to visit Ukraine
Lviv is awesome. Kyiv was great and as an American very cheap. I'm not sure how long before they do tours to chernobyl but I did that in 2017 with my brother in law ( family lives in ivano frankivsk.)
Agreed. I will go too
Sure why not. If they got flixbus to the beach and nice food im in
I hope they go green and build a europe that the rest of europe then models after Could be epic, lets build it They already have partnerships with several hydrogen, renewables and next gen partnerships brewing Their fields could be perfect for safs for rolls royce pearl 10x and ultra fan engines that use 100% cheap green biofuels by 2030 … could be am amazing future if we live to see it
Chornobyl was actually really interesting. Went there last year with my wife. I also enjoyed Zaporizhia Sich... It's the island between the two sides of the city. Just don't get lost like we did.
Main attraction. Farm tractor pulling tank around the neighborhood
WarBnB…
It must definitely be open to tourism and I can guarantee that there will be no shortage of interested people.
Demining will take decades ... not safe for tourists immediately.
I want to hang out at the beach in Mariupol!
I hope that only belarusian army wont destroy western part of Ukraine
I am definitely going as soon as the ruskies have been kicked out!
Hell yeah. Also volunteer work, those kind od things are really mind opening I was told.
I’ll happily take a trip to ukraine when this is over. I’ll spend a bunch of tourism money and also help with certain things if allowed too
Always has been, just not so well known i guess. "Thanks" to pootin for advertising us.
Yes. A one foot tall statue of Putin. Next to a 100 foot tall statue of Zelensky.
Send them that money now. They need it now.
To be fair, I'd wait a bit before demining
Lviv and Carpathian mountains should be on everyone's list.
Been to Ukraine couple of times and it is very nice place. My favourite part was women selling home made stuff on the platforms of the train stations when the train made its stop. The food was fucking amazing and changed from region to region as the train went.
Chernivtsi! Beautiful everything there, especially architecture, friendly people with great hospitality.
And lots of musea to remember the war and the brave soldiers who saved Ukraine, it would be extremely popular.
Same for me and a friend of mine. We want to visit at least Kyiv and celebrate the victory!
I always wanted to take a tour of Chernobyl. I look forward to visiting the country and giving them some cash and helping small business.
I'm down to go. Decided that this year in fact. 100% in response to making sure Ukraine's economy rebounds properly with foreign funds coming in. Fuck Russia.
I have about 2 years left on my contract then I am going to help rebuild ukraine! That will be my vacation!
war tourism is thing... they already here.
I'd love to come and work. Give me a shovel. Give me a hammer and some nails. Don't give me anything! Point me at a pile of bricks that need sorting. If we could get a "volunteer corps" of the able bodied and willing. Whew! What we could do together!
Never travelled outside North America but I’ve always wanted to go to Ukraine to see where my family came from, and I will definitely find a way to make it happen and help support some local rescues when I go.
Kick off a grand tour with an airshow for the new Mryia 2. I’ll buy 3 tickets now please. Crowdfund me in :-)
Ukraine was always open to tourism.ive visited numerous places there. The funniest thing was the map of Kiev my hotel gave me. It had all the names, streets, monuments etc translated from Ukrainian Cyrillic into english!!! Interesting but totally useless to get around the city with since the signs were all in………Ukranian🤪