Let's just say you haven't gotten enough information about George as of chapter 2. I would recommend finishing Umineko before posting any kind of questions about specific characters. Don't get yourself spoiled.
yes, but explaining how things should've been localized (by changing her age to 18) sounds like someone knowing better than everyone how things were planned by the author.
Look, George hate disccusions won't be able to go very further without the context of more episodes, I'm sorry.
Anyway, hating him is not even universal, it is common in this subreddit, but just know that there are objectively worst people in the VN by a mile, and people like them just fine, so don't feel obligated to agree with the opinion of this or any other character.
I honestly think the age issue is more of just a derp Ryukishi07 made on math, because they didn't just start dating in 1986, it probably started when Shannon was 14 and George being 20, which speaking as an Asian living in Asia, this is still weird. And unlike many issues that got addressed as the series went on, this one NEVER did.
I honestly think we should just de-age George for like 3 years in our mind or something.
Ryukishi draws attention to George being the "adult" one among the cousins numerous times though. Honestly I don't think the age difference is an oversight anymore, I think Ryukishi personally doesn't find it to be a problem.
I'm currently reading Higurashi and seeing how he treats characters that are 13-14, I think Ryukishi's just a bit of a creep in that regard, even if he balances it out with a lot of good writing.
>Ryukishi draws attention to George being the "adult" one among the cousins
I'd say there's no reason this aspect couldn't work with a George at his 20. which would mean he started dating a 14 yea-old Shannon at 18, and had it in development before that when he was 17, which is still an age gape but less jarring, since they'd both still be teenagers at the start of the relationship.
>I'm currently reading Higurashi and seeing how he treats characters that are 13-14, I think Ryukishi's just a bit of a creep in that regard
I mean quite a few things "off" in Higurashi got adressed in Umineko, like Maria having a weird kuchiguse at her age isn't "normal"
Battler and Jessica often feeling impressed by George's maturity and experience doesn't really make sense if they're be just 2 years younger imo.
I do agree that your scenario would work better, I just don't think it's an oversight or anything, it is what it is.
Careful, there’s some guy running around the subreddit who starts ranting if you say anything about George’s age being weird lol.
Saw that person get into some weird argument with someone else about it and it just devolved into nonsense.
Dunno why he’s so invested in George being 23 and into a 16 year old but thinking it might be projection o.o
Welp, I honest don't know how much less weird it'd be in 1986, but I'd imagine it would not be "not weird at all" though, unless it's an arranged marriage thing and they haven't really "start dating" when they are 14 and 20.
I'd say aging up Shannon wouldn't work as her age is kinda a minor plot point, so I don't see aging her up beyond 17. But there isn't really a good reason why George needs to be so much older than Battler and Jessica, he could be at age 20 and everything would still work.
Well there kinda is a reason George has to be into his early 20's. He has supposedly been working at his dad's company for a number of years already. This is part of the reason he considers himself more mature and the leader of the cousins. It's also the reason Eva suggests including him in the inheritance discussions in ep 1. It's established that he is already a respected member of the workforce. He earns enough to feel somewhat secure for his future even if he is disowned, he also has enough money to take his girlfriend on lavish trips to Okinawa and to buy a diamond ring, which isn't exactly cheap. For this entire plot line to work he has to have worked for at least a few years. In Japan you graduate high school at age 18, and due to all of the reasons mentioned above I think at least four years of being in the work force seems reasonable, so I don't really think you can make George younger and for plot reasons Shanon can't be older than 16, which is why I personally don't think their ages were a mistake.
Personally I have a love/hate relationship with George, and while I don't necessarily think the age gap or the employee/servant dynamic has to be problematic, I do think it kinda is in this specific case. However I do think the reason George is so hated is a lot more complicated than only that dynamic, but that's definitely a discussion for a later time.
I understand both of their age being intentional, but the subsequently gap I really don't think is as it never gets addressed. Which I can't think of a reason other than the gap just being an oversight.
Major spoilers don't click OP
>!I don't really get why aging up Shannon would be a problem. As far as I remember, the only reason in the story that Shannon is "canonically" 16 is because Genji arbitrarily decided to push her stated age back by 3 years to hide her identity from Kinzo. I don't think there'd be much lost if Genji pushed her age back by 1 year instead of 3. Genuine question, I just finished the VN recently and haven't read the manga so if there may be something that just went over my head.!<
Those are minor things though? Having ANY work experience puts him above the other two cousins when Eva brags about him, and he’s a rich kid who probably also has a high paying job and is probably living with his parents so he isn’t paying any rent or buying a house so he doesn’t have living expenses.
He wouldn’t need that long to buy a ring, even if he was moved out if he’s being responsible with his finances, which I’m sure he is.
100% agree with this comment.
People mostly criticize George's "motivation" for improving himself and falling in love with Shannon over his actual actions. Minor spoilers for Episode 3. >!It's commonly assumed that because his motivations are selfish i.e. he initially started courting Shannon because he was jealous of Battler. Thus people analyze him as his love for Shannon not being real. !<
While I didn't enjoy his character all that much, I personally don't see him as a bad person. Selfish sure, but who isn't in Rokenjima. Hate for him is overblown, maybe people project themselves onto him too much.
This has been a point of repeated discussions and I think someone mentioned somewhere that the age-gap might be a continuity error/the author not realizing the age-gap implications.
The whole age-gap topic is never brought up in the VN, so I personally agree that it probably wasn't supposed to be important. Maybe that is because people weren't as sensitive about this topic until recently or maybe because the gap wasn't intended to be that big.
Personally, though I know about the canonical ages, I always imagined either George to be more like 20-21 and Shannon to be at least 18 (since over here the age of consent for marriage is also 18).
Ages in general rarely seem to play a role in the story, except for a few instances, which I won't spoil.
Also, sometimes the timeline get's really confusing. Like you mentioned, the young servants usually only stay for a few years. But also: Shannon mentions she's been a servant for 10 years in episode 1. If she is 16 then, that means she started at 6. And I somehow don't think this was legal even in 70s-80s japan. Also why would you hire a literal child? What about school? This always bugged me. (There are some explanations given for this later in the story, but it felt weird that no one in the VN seemed to question this)
So I think concerning the ages of people, we weren't supposed to be questioning things that much.
I seriously *seriously* doubt that Ryukishi just forgot or didn't think about the implications of Shannon being 16. Let's not forget that Shannon is a special case. >!Genji and the other servants *know* that Sayo was actually 9 when she started working at the mansion, and he specifically organized it so that she would return to the island as early as possible. It is certainly strange that the members of the family don't question it, but that doesn't mean it's a continuity error. The family trusts Genji, and if he organized it like that, they would have little reason to object.!<
>I think someone mentioned somewhere that the age-gap might be a continuity error/the author not realizing the age-gap implications
yes, someone somewhere might've said that. Idk, what you want to say with that, tho. Mainly, because I'm not sure if you are talking about someone having an argument or someone basing that assumption on misremembering what the story actually said.
>If she is 16 then, that means she started at 6.
yes, that's what the story says to us:
>She's a long-term servant who's served here since she was six years old.
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>Also why would you hire a literal child? What about school? This always bugged me.
I'm not sure what you want to say here. In particular considering this is a post from someone that barely finished ep 2.
Oh, this was more of a personal question, honestly. I'm currently replaying the game and just finished episode 1, so this question was still fresh on my mind, since it is just something that bugged me even/especially the first time I played it, but I never saw anyone else mention it.
Sorry, I digressed from the question.
ok, if that's your point behind it, I would only point out that it might not be good to ask those things in such an early post. But I can give you the answer from ep 7 to this question (obviously big spoilers)
>>!== Willard ==!<
>>!"We can probably sketch out Genji's line of thinking. ...The Lion of this world is a true, blood-related member of the Ushiromiya Family. He must have wanted to let that child live on Rokkenjima somehow. However, it wasn't as though he could just suddenly show up with Lion and tell everyone who this was."!<
>>!== Lion ==!<
>>!"...Yeah. Maybe he wanted me to live on the island until I was used to it, and then reveal everything when the chance presented itself."!<
I don’t think it’s anything to do with the legal system. The age gap is obviously very big for people that age, idk how you can say otherwise. Some 23 year old going after a 16 year old is not suddenly not creepy because you flew over to Japan. Saying - she put the ring on her finger isn’t helpful either. Yeah young people who are taken advantage of do that a lot. Especially young people you are literally employing and have power over both in years and status.
Not telling you how to feel about it but the reason people don’t look at him too kindly should be obvious without any disingenuous “westerners” bs. Sometimes it feels like really creepy weebs idolize Japan as this incel paradise where you can just marry any young girl just past the legal age and no one will look at you funny.
I know 16 yrs marriage is problematic , that is not what the point I was trying to make, rather I would say 21 shd be the minimum age, but the concept I was trying to refer to was that such relationship have a sanction in the society, and while there are problem, at its core this dynamics is similar to a relationship b/w an early teen (18-20) and a 24-26 yr boy, sure there are issues but we should judge that relationship with similar lens as that other relationship, moreover relationship dev seemed(organic) to me.
I'm halfway in agreeance you. We are imposing our Western ideals on this relationship occurring in 1980s Japan. However, there is more to George that you need to see. You might have a change of heart when you're done with Episode 7.
For me personally, it was around Episode 6 when I started disliking him. Episode 7 was the cherry on top. You'll see...
>We are imposing our Western ideals on this relationship occurring in 1980s Japan
Yes, we in part do. But what's the problem with pointing out problems in something that was done?
Just because people thought of certain executions to be justified (witch trials and co for example) doesn't mean we shouldn't critique them.
I never said whether we were wrong or right in imposing our ideals on the relationship. I was just pointing out what we were doing in a matter of fact way.
Regardless of Shannon's age beeing 16 or 18 the awful power dynamics between the two are still there as It was an ongoing think from many years back, also theres a lot more to George that you just havent seen yet
If the relationship was like that sure it would be problem as long as the high school girl remain in her class, . But that and this are different scenario, moreover if the legal system of the country allows that High school student of 16 years to get married to some other guy that is not the teacher I would not have problem with it, as it have both legal and moral sanction in that place of residence.
How exactly are those different scenarios? Shannon is a servant of the Ushiromiya family, including George. George has inherent power over her, and she is obligated to obey him due to her rank. Even if we completely ignore the fact that there is as large of an age gap between Shannon and George as there is between Shannon and Maria, it still wouldn't be okay. The actual legality of it is irrelevant.
Heavy spoilers for the entire story and the solution. OP, please don't read this.
>!The great irony about this is that the power imbalance is entirely in the other direction, and Yasu knows this. Yasu has all the power in the relationship as the head of the family. George and his family's fortune is entirely at the mercy of Yasu, she is in full control of the relationship. If there is a victim, it's possibly George. !<
>!As it stands, Yasu's headship is hardly worth anything but money. She didn't and can't announce it because doing that would be a total shitshow, and without the family's acknowledgement all that her headship amounts to is power over the servants via Genji and all the family baggage. She does have a shitload of money sure, but only the gold, as the family assets and property are under Krauss's control. So it's true that George can't get her fired or anything, but I wouldn't say she has power over him within the relationship. What can she do, deny him the money he doesn't even know she has?!<
>!By "acknowledgement" I just meant going public with it, sorry. Yasu has closed off that possibility by herself but unless she does do it, all that power is purely theoretical and doesn't give her any leverage over George.!<
It's even stated that she's earned quite a lot from working there for 10 years. She's probably richer than George considering the financial trouble his family is in.
Depends on how you define by ‘leave’. Shannon has no family, history, or life outside of the Ushiromiyas. She has no education outside of what they provide through the Fukuin House, nor has anyassets outside of what is provided by the Ushiromiyas.
That does complicate issues.
> She has no education outside of what they provide through the Fukuin House
This is false. Shannon went to middle school before 1986. She was old enough to get a proper job.
She have been working for 10 years, given that servants need to only 3 years to go independent I would say she have enough money and skills to go independent and may be even get reemployed by other employers.
Actually curious, romantic literature is chock full with love feeling towards teacher/master/tutor, do you guys get your titties twisted every time you stumble upon one?
Or, for that matter, every author tries to shoehorn some romance subplot in his writing nowadays, and practically always characters either start or end up with different levels of power and influence, so.... Do you have titties permanently twisted? That's unhealthy.
No one cares about Jessica - Kanon power imbalance, but when it's George - Shannon it's suddenly end of the world.
As for age gap, Beatrice is 1000 year old, while Kinzo who is in love with her (as you can tell from his screams in episode 1) is at most 100. Not to mention power imbalance there...
I'm obviously joking a little bit. George is pretty bland and boring, when compared to the rest of the cast. His romance with Shannon is also taking a lot of time, and that is probably another reason why people don't really like him. I don't mind George, but even I rolled my eyes when his dates were going on and on and on. Especially on re-read.
Shannon gets kind of protected from the hate, because it's easier to pile up on George due to age difference, power imbalance, but I feel like it's just something people make up to find a reason why they might not like him. There are people who do much worse things that George would ever be capable of, and they get a pass because their stories are more entertaining.
Let's just say you haven't gotten enough information about George as of chapter 2. I would recommend finishing Umineko before posting any kind of questions about specific characters. Don't get yourself spoiled.
Thanks , Iwould take your opinion going fwd
They still have the right to share their opinion as they go. I am looking forward to see how these statements will change towards the end.
yes, but explaining how things should've been localized (by changing her age to 18) sounds like someone knowing better than everyone how things were planned by the author.
Look, George hate disccusions won't be able to go very further without the context of more episodes, I'm sorry. Anyway, hating him is not even universal, it is common in this subreddit, but just know that there are objectively worst people in the VN by a mile, and people like them just fine, so don't feel obligated to agree with the opinion of this or any other character.
I honestly think the age issue is more of just a derp Ryukishi07 made on math, because they didn't just start dating in 1986, it probably started when Shannon was 14 and George being 20, which speaking as an Asian living in Asia, this is still weird. And unlike many issues that got addressed as the series went on, this one NEVER did. I honestly think we should just de-age George for like 3 years in our mind or something.
Ryukishi draws attention to George being the "adult" one among the cousins numerous times though. Honestly I don't think the age difference is an oversight anymore, I think Ryukishi personally doesn't find it to be a problem. I'm currently reading Higurashi and seeing how he treats characters that are 13-14, I think Ryukishi's just a bit of a creep in that regard, even if he balances it out with a lot of good writing.
>Ryukishi draws attention to George being the "adult" one among the cousins I'd say there's no reason this aspect couldn't work with a George at his 20. which would mean he started dating a 14 yea-old Shannon at 18, and had it in development before that when he was 17, which is still an age gape but less jarring, since they'd both still be teenagers at the start of the relationship. >I'm currently reading Higurashi and seeing how he treats characters that are 13-14, I think Ryukishi's just a bit of a creep in that regard I mean quite a few things "off" in Higurashi got adressed in Umineko, like Maria having a weird kuchiguse at her age isn't "normal"
Battler and Jessica often feeling impressed by George's maturity and experience doesn't really make sense if they're be just 2 years younger imo. I do agree that your scenario would work better, I just don't think it's an oversight or anything, it is what it is.
Careful, there’s some guy running around the subreddit who starts ranting if you say anything about George’s age being weird lol. Saw that person get into some weird argument with someone else about it and it just devolved into nonsense. Dunno why he’s so invested in George being 23 and into a 16 year old but thinking it might be projection o.o
Would that be weird in 1986 thou? Because here people didn't care as much about this back then as long as the person wasn't a pedo.
Welp, I honest don't know how much less weird it'd be in 1986, but I'd imagine it would not be "not weird at all" though, unless it's an arranged marriage thing and they haven't really "start dating" when they are 14 and 20.
Good point, Aging up Shannon would be my suggestion
I'd say aging up Shannon wouldn't work as her age is kinda a minor plot point, so I don't see aging her up beyond 17. But there isn't really a good reason why George needs to be so much older than Battler and Jessica, he could be at age 20 and everything would still work.
Well there kinda is a reason George has to be into his early 20's. He has supposedly been working at his dad's company for a number of years already. This is part of the reason he considers himself more mature and the leader of the cousins. It's also the reason Eva suggests including him in the inheritance discussions in ep 1. It's established that he is already a respected member of the workforce. He earns enough to feel somewhat secure for his future even if he is disowned, he also has enough money to take his girlfriend on lavish trips to Okinawa and to buy a diamond ring, which isn't exactly cheap. For this entire plot line to work he has to have worked for at least a few years. In Japan you graduate high school at age 18, and due to all of the reasons mentioned above I think at least four years of being in the work force seems reasonable, so I don't really think you can make George younger and for plot reasons Shanon can't be older than 16, which is why I personally don't think their ages were a mistake. Personally I have a love/hate relationship with George, and while I don't necessarily think the age gap or the employee/servant dynamic has to be problematic, I do think it kinda is in this specific case. However I do think the reason George is so hated is a lot more complicated than only that dynamic, but that's definitely a discussion for a later time.
I understand both of their age being intentional, but the subsequently gap I really don't think is as it never gets addressed. Which I can't think of a reason other than the gap just being an oversight.
Major spoilers don't click OP >!I don't really get why aging up Shannon would be a problem. As far as I remember, the only reason in the story that Shannon is "canonically" 16 is because Genji arbitrarily decided to push her stated age back by 3 years to hide her identity from Kinzo. I don't think there'd be much lost if Genji pushed her age back by 1 year instead of 3. Genuine question, I just finished the VN recently and haven't read the manga so if there may be something that just went over my head.!<
Those are minor things though? Having ANY work experience puts him above the other two cousins when Eva brags about him, and he’s a rich kid who probably also has a high paying job and is probably living with his parents so he isn’t paying any rent or buying a house so he doesn’t have living expenses. He wouldn’t need that long to buy a ring, even if he was moved out if he’s being responsible with his finances, which I’m sure he is.
Piece of advice, don't get hopes too up about "oh you will seee" comments. I read the whole thing and not even sure what are they talking about lol
100% agree with this comment. People mostly criticize George's "motivation" for improving himself and falling in love with Shannon over his actual actions. Minor spoilers for Episode 3. >!It's commonly assumed that because his motivations are selfish i.e. he initially started courting Shannon because he was jealous of Battler. Thus people analyze him as his love for Shannon not being real. !< While I didn't enjoy his character all that much, I personally don't see him as a bad person. Selfish sure, but who isn't in Rokenjima. Hate for him is overblown, maybe people project themselves onto him too much.
This has been a point of repeated discussions and I think someone mentioned somewhere that the age-gap might be a continuity error/the author not realizing the age-gap implications. The whole age-gap topic is never brought up in the VN, so I personally agree that it probably wasn't supposed to be important. Maybe that is because people weren't as sensitive about this topic until recently or maybe because the gap wasn't intended to be that big. Personally, though I know about the canonical ages, I always imagined either George to be more like 20-21 and Shannon to be at least 18 (since over here the age of consent for marriage is also 18). Ages in general rarely seem to play a role in the story, except for a few instances, which I won't spoil. Also, sometimes the timeline get's really confusing. Like you mentioned, the young servants usually only stay for a few years. But also: Shannon mentions she's been a servant for 10 years in episode 1. If she is 16 then, that means she started at 6. And I somehow don't think this was legal even in 70s-80s japan. Also why would you hire a literal child? What about school? This always bugged me. (There are some explanations given for this later in the story, but it felt weird that no one in the VN seemed to question this) So I think concerning the ages of people, we weren't supposed to be questioning things that much.
I seriously *seriously* doubt that Ryukishi just forgot or didn't think about the implications of Shannon being 16. Let's not forget that Shannon is a special case. >!Genji and the other servants *know* that Sayo was actually 9 when she started working at the mansion, and he specifically organized it so that she would return to the island as early as possible. It is certainly strange that the members of the family don't question it, but that doesn't mean it's a continuity error. The family trusts Genji, and if he organized it like that, they would have little reason to object.!<
>I think someone mentioned somewhere that the age-gap might be a continuity error/the author not realizing the age-gap implications yes, someone somewhere might've said that. Idk, what you want to say with that, tho. Mainly, because I'm not sure if you are talking about someone having an argument or someone basing that assumption on misremembering what the story actually said. >If she is 16 then, that means she started at 6. yes, that's what the story says to us: >She's a long-term servant who's served here since she was six years old. -- >Also why would you hire a literal child? What about school? This always bugged me. I'm not sure what you want to say here. In particular considering this is a post from someone that barely finished ep 2.
Oh, this was more of a personal question, honestly. I'm currently replaying the game and just finished episode 1, so this question was still fresh on my mind, since it is just something that bugged me even/especially the first time I played it, but I never saw anyone else mention it. Sorry, I digressed from the question.
ok, if that's your point behind it, I would only point out that it might not be good to ask those things in such an early post. But I can give you the answer from ep 7 to this question (obviously big spoilers) >>!== Willard ==!< >>!"We can probably sketch out Genji's line of thinking. ...The Lion of this world is a true, blood-related member of the Ushiromiya Family. He must have wanted to let that child live on Rokkenjima somehow. However, it wasn't as though he could just suddenly show up with Lion and tell everyone who this was."!< >>!== Lion ==!< >>!"...Yeah. Maybe he wanted me to live on the island until I was used to it, and then reveal everything when the chance presented itself."!<
I don’t think it’s anything to do with the legal system. The age gap is obviously very big for people that age, idk how you can say otherwise. Some 23 year old going after a 16 year old is not suddenly not creepy because you flew over to Japan. Saying - she put the ring on her finger isn’t helpful either. Yeah young people who are taken advantage of do that a lot. Especially young people you are literally employing and have power over both in years and status. Not telling you how to feel about it but the reason people don’t look at him too kindly should be obvious without any disingenuous “westerners” bs. Sometimes it feels like really creepy weebs idolize Japan as this incel paradise where you can just marry any young girl just past the legal age and no one will look at you funny.
I know 16 yrs marriage is problematic , that is not what the point I was trying to make, rather I would say 21 shd be the minimum age, but the concept I was trying to refer to was that such relationship have a sanction in the society, and while there are problem, at its core this dynamics is similar to a relationship b/w an early teen (18-20) and a 24-26 yr boy, sure there are issues but we should judge that relationship with similar lens as that other relationship, moreover relationship dev seemed(organic) to me.
I just dont like him lmao
I can actually respect that opinion, as everybody have their likes and dislikes
I'm halfway in agreeance you. We are imposing our Western ideals on this relationship occurring in 1980s Japan. However, there is more to George that you need to see. You might have a change of heart when you're done with Episode 7. For me personally, it was around Episode 6 when I started disliking him. Episode 7 was the cherry on top. You'll see...
>We are imposing our Western ideals on this relationship occurring in 1980s Japan Yes, we in part do. But what's the problem with pointing out problems in something that was done? Just because people thought of certain executions to be justified (witch trials and co for example) doesn't mean we shouldn't critique them.
I never said whether we were wrong or right in imposing our ideals on the relationship. I was just pointing out what we were doing in a matter of fact way.
Thanks I would reserve my judgement for when I reach there
People are different. Some hate him some don't. It's life.
George is a character that is more fun to shit on than he is to root for. That's all.
Regardless of Shannon's age beeing 16 or 18 the awful power dynamics between the two are still there as It was an ongoing think from many years back, also theres a lot more to George that you just havent seen yet
Would it or would it not be acceptable for a high school teacher to date one of their students?
If the relationship was like that sure it would be problem as long as the high school girl remain in her class, . But that and this are different scenario, moreover if the legal system of the country allows that High school student of 16 years to get married to some other guy that is not the teacher I would not have problem with it, as it have both legal and moral sanction in that place of residence.
How exactly are those different scenarios? Shannon is a servant of the Ushiromiya family, including George. George has inherent power over her, and she is obligated to obey him due to her rank. Even if we completely ignore the fact that there is as large of an age gap between Shannon and George as there is between Shannon and Maria, it still wouldn't be okay. The actual legality of it is irrelevant.
Heavy spoilers for the entire story and the solution. OP, please don't read this. >!The great irony about this is that the power imbalance is entirely in the other direction, and Yasu knows this. Yasu has all the power in the relationship as the head of the family. George and his family's fortune is entirely at the mercy of Yasu, she is in full control of the relationship. If there is a victim, it's possibly George. !<
>!As it stands, Yasu's headship is hardly worth anything but money. She didn't and can't announce it because doing that would be a total shitshow, and without the family's acknowledgement all that her headship amounts to is power over the servants via Genji and all the family baggage. She does have a shitload of money sure, but only the gold, as the family assets and property are under Krauss's control. So it's true that George can't get her fired or anything, but I wouldn't say she has power over him within the relationship. What can she do, deny him the money he doesn't even know she has?!<
>!She, like, has Kinzo's will in which she inherits, well, everything. It's not community vote, relatives' opinions are irrelevant as ever!<
>!By "acknowledgement" I just meant going public with it, sorry. Yasu has closed off that possibility by herself but unless she does do it, all that power is purely theoretical and doesn't give her any leverage over George.!<
Please put your comment in spoilers tags.
Sorry, fixed it.
Thanks :)
Because she can leave the service, she choose to stay in service beyond minimum tenure of 3 years.
It's even stated that she's earned quite a lot from working there for 10 years. She's probably richer than George considering the financial trouble his family is in.
Depends on how you define by ‘leave’. Shannon has no family, history, or life outside of the Ushiromiyas. She has no education outside of what they provide through the Fukuin House, nor has anyassets outside of what is provided by the Ushiromiyas. That does complicate issues.
> She has no education outside of what they provide through the Fukuin House This is false. Shannon went to middle school before 1986. She was old enough to get a proper job.
She have been working for 10 years, given that servants need to only 3 years to go independent I would say she have enough money and skills to go independent and may be even get reemployed by other employers.
Actually curious, romantic literature is chock full with love feeling towards teacher/master/tutor, do you guys get your titties twisted every time you stumble upon one? Or, for that matter, every author tries to shoehorn some romance subplot in his writing nowadays, and practically always characters either start or end up with different levels of power and influence, so.... Do you have titties permanently twisted? That's unhealthy.
That’s.. a lot different lol.
No one cares about Jessica - Kanon power imbalance, but when it's George - Shannon it's suddenly end of the world. As for age gap, Beatrice is 1000 year old, while Kinzo who is in love with her (as you can tell from his screams in episode 1) is at most 100. Not to mention power imbalance there... I'm obviously joking a little bit. George is pretty bland and boring, when compared to the rest of the cast. His romance with Shannon is also taking a lot of time, and that is probably another reason why people don't really like him. I don't mind George, but even I rolled my eyes when his dates were going on and on and on. Especially on re-read. Shannon gets kind of protected from the hate, because it's easier to pile up on George due to age difference, power imbalance, but I feel like it's just something people make up to find a reason why they might not like him. There are people who do much worse things that George would ever be capable of, and they get a pass because their stories are more entertaining.
If you have anything against a master taking his maid, you are a loser.
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