>Low-welfare eggs are flooding into the UK
Low**er** welfare eggs. FTFY Guardian. Low welfare, high cruelty eggs are absolutely standard here already.
**Edit: Should clear up what I meant by that**
last I checked 38% of eggs produced in the UK were coming from cage or barn systems. Some are sold as eggs, most go into pre prepared foods like biscuits, cakes, pasta, sandwiches etc so we just buy them that way instead
As for free range I also class that as low welfare production (very low actually):
- Indoor areas are very cramped at 9 birds per m2.
- outdoor access is only required for half the birds life
- Birds with low production are kicked to death by teams hired by abbatoirs
- Male chicks are gassed or macerated alive to the tune of about 1 every second (in the UK alone).
- The parents of the free range layers are forgotten about and get it much, much worse (they're not free range)
- The layers have been bred to lay many times more eggs than their natural predecessors did, which takes a massive toll on their bodies and leads to severe health problems
- Chickens are roughly as intelligent as dogs (if thats relevant to anyone). If this was all being done to dogs we would class it as low welfare.
I think Free range is better, but it's still a *very* cruel system overall
We did an outside run with wire that runs below the ground at an angle, automatic coop doors for the chickens, and a locked egg hatch on the coop.
So far, no dead chooks :)
Then watch your own health slowly deteriorate. Veganism is a danger to human health.
Animals should not live in horrible conditions or be treated cruelly, but go watch some wild life programs and see how cruel life and nature really is. We are designed physiologically to run predominantly on animal fat and animal protein, it is the most bio-available for us. The further we drift away from that the more chronic disease and health issues we get. Take something essential like vitamin A, a Vegan might say eat carrots. Carrot's have the inactive form carotene, we as humans need the active form of vitamin A retinol. which is found? In animal fat. Most humans cannot convert much if any carotene to retniol. Outcome? You become slowly deficient in vitamin A.
Thats just 1 example of why no human should ever go vegan.
We are not designed. In any case both the NHS and the British Dietetics Association give the ok to a plant based/vegan diet for all stage of life. And even advise that it can reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes and other chronic diseases.
https://www.bda.uk.com/resource/vegetarian-vegan-plant-based-diet.html
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet/the-vegan-diet/
I think I'll trust their expertise over some random on the internet who thinks:
> We are designed physiologically to run predominantly on animal fat and animal protein
Cheers though.
>We are designed physiologically to run predominantly on animal fat and animal protein
Utter nonsense, unless by that you mean die prematurely from heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.
The RDA for vitamin A from Beta Carotene is equivalent to about 0.8 of a carrot per day (the RDA takes lowest converters into account)....or sweet potato/butternut squash/some dark leafy greens etc also work.
>Thats just 1 example
What other examples do you have? Because if I'm honest, that one seems rather weak.
> veganism is a danger to human health
Others have mentioned the NHS and cancer/diabetes/heart disease but also...
According to the best data available animal agriculture likely indirectly kills around 200,000 humans every year purely due to antimicrobial use. Not to mention zoonotic pandemic risk..So there's that danger to human health. Also even non-human animals that eat meat are at higher risk of cancer mortality than animals that don't (maybe not relevant to humans, but interesting)
>Chickens are roughly as intelligent as dogs
Used to keep chickens, doubt this greatly, I've had dogs outsmart me (They can problem solve, they have the intelligence to think steps ahead. They can tell the difference between porcelain and eggs).
Chickens can problem solve, decent at arithmetic, can remember and recognise up to 100 faces, they dream in colour, communicate with their chicks before they've hatched, anticipate the future, recognise their names, use some form of logic/reasoning to decide when best to challenge each other..(there's a scientific term for that last one, I can't remember it. *Something Inference* I think)
I mean it's a rough equivalence with these things, but it seems to be the consensus
There was a kid I'm my class at high school. Joined in year 9 and quickly went from the middle set in maths and science to the second from top in maths and top in separate sciences. He got 10 or 11 GCSEs and then his family moved away before A levels. Turns out he was a chicken.
It’s as if there are different forms of intelligence. Some humans are socially intelligent, others have great capacity for memorising and information recall. Some animals are skilled at flying using air currents, others are good at stalking prey without being seen. Herding sheep isn’t in itself a good metric for measuring intelligence.
Highest-welfare egg -> obtain 'spent hens' from farmers (laying hens that are 2+yrs and are due for slaughter due to laying less eggs) -> keep in garden.
Exactly what i have done. 7 chickens are now free range and provide enough eggs for me and my neighbors. Im supprised more people dont do this but i also think current generations are generally less likely to grow their own fruit and vegetables aswell.
>Not everyone has a garden mate.
I understand that. i dont have a back garden, i grow veg either side of my front driveway and am lucky to have a small yard area that is not suitable for growing so i introduced chickens instead.
Allotments are a thing.
I live in a flat, mid level, no garden, and the waiting list for an allotment is almost as long as the council house list. Please tell me how I can keep chickens when my tenancy agreement *barely* allows me to have my children. Let alone my cats. Ps. Please don’t tell my Landlord I have cats.
- Points 2,4,5,6 and 7 are unchanged
- Point 1 becomes 6 birds per m2
- Point 3 likely happens in Organic too (I don't see why they wouldn't, but it's only been filmed in Free Range farms)
- maximum flock sizes are smaller and they get different feed and more space per bird outdoors. They also have to have a few more exit points in the sheds.
Edit: and they still get electrocuted when they stop producing enough, at around 1/6th of their natural lifespan (if they avoid the kicking squads that is)
>Edit: and they still get electrocuted when they stop producing enough, at around 1/6th of their natural lifespan (if they avoid the kicking squads that is)
This is even before counting failed stuns, which at the volume chickens are mercilessly slaughtered is an exorbitant amount of death. When you include sentient beings in a "margin of error" calculation 😬
Well I hope you're not lazying out and purchasing any of the millions of processed products containing caged eggs.
If you care about chicken welfare that discounts you from buying most cakes, sweets, biscuits, ice cream, ready meals, jarred sauces, packed sandwiches, takeaway food, even large numbers of 'vegetarian' replacement foods like Quorn.
Go vegan or give up. Most vegetarians are throwing thousands of quid at harming chickens every year.
I suspect you eat quite a lot of egg and don't realise it.
The only way to avoid it would be to become vegan basically, and never eat food somebody else has made.
> Low welfare eggs are absolutely standard here already
They are? I can't remember the last time I saw caged/barn eggs for sale. Seemingly every supermarket now sells only free range eggs.
But they are better welfare than caged eggs which is what the article is about and what u/JeremyWheels is claiming is "standard here already".
Can you please try addressing the actual points being made?
It does feed into JeremyWheels' point that "Low welfare eggs are absolutely standard here". Even if you're avoiding caged eggs at all costs (which might not be often found in the supermarkets, but are in all sorts of foods on sale as an ingredient), you can't rely on good welfare standards just because a label says "Free range".
These are caged eggs on a supermarket website.
https://groceries.aldi.co.uk/en-GB/p-everyday-essentials-british-mixed-weight-eggs-15-pack/4088600204185
Organic eggs are better than free range.
In terms of flock size which is much smaller.
Beak trimming. Big flocks of birds display behavioural problems and peck the feathers off each other. No need with small flocks and beak trimming hurts.
Time and area outside. Organic can go outside whenever they want for as long as they want and they have a large area per bird. Cheaper the egg the cheaper the box.
Antibiotics.
What they are fed.
Basically the hens are treated way better than free range.
https://www.soilassociation.org/take-action/organic-living/what-is-organic/organic-eggs/
People always blame the thing that they are opposed to .
Labour will blame the Conservatives
Conservatives will blame Labour
Brexiteers will blame Remainers and vice versa
Old will blame the young, and vice versa
And so it goes...
In my rural areas loads of people sell eggs from their own hens from their home.
The hens are running around their garden having a good life so I don’t feel so bad.
I end up giving eggs away.
The hens produce about six a day, and I don’t particularly like eggs.
The hens are right stupid bastards though, and hilarious to watch.
Is The Guardian going for shock and alarm? If so they picked the wrong country. Brits have proven for years they will eat absolute filth as long as it is cheap. Most people don't actually care about quality or welfare, they just want cheap.
A lot of 'welfare' vegetarians have been munching on mass-processed food containing eggs from the cheapest, most caged, most chicken harming farms imaginable.
All those ready made cakes, sandwiches, soups, sweets, ready meals, Quorn... Caged egg is used in nearly everything.
Same is true for any eggs they've eaten at a restaurant.
Go vegan or give up.
I might be biased as a vegetarian (I've never eaten eggs though), you still have to admit it's at least a start. The most cruel industry is obviously meat harvesting, and slowing demand for that is always a good thing (though numerically I doubt we even make a dent in their profits).
Is meat harvesting the cruelest industry? The egg and dairy industries still slaughter the animals in the exact same way, they just exploit them for a bit longer first
That's a super valid point, and I didn't fully consider that. I guess what I'm thinking is that in theory, the dairy/egg industry *could* be more ethical, (and with how eggs are branded as free-range or whatever, producers are certainly conscious of it as an advertising/product point), but there isn't really any way to sanitize the meat industry in the same way: fundamentally it will always be the murdering of creatures for meat, though I guess it's nice that they stun them first or something. But the fundamental cruelty is kind of impossible to mitigate, and that's perhaps less the case for the dairy industry.
Not much can be done unfortunately. If I were in charge, I’d introduce the strictest farming standards on the planet. Free range meat and eggs only, all meat in processed products to be British (so the quality can be verified). I’d then get promptly booted out of office as food inflation would be triple what it is now.
Our jaws grind slightly side to side like herbivores, unlike carnivores who go up and down. We have molars for grinding plant matter, unlike carnivores who have rows of sharp teeth. Our "canines" are utterly pathetic and couldn't rip through raw hide, and instead are for eating crunchy fruit. The animal with the biggest incisors relative to body size on the planet is the hippo, a herbivore.
I can also curl my fist up and punch someone, something our bodies have developed the capability of doing. But just because I can, does it mean that I should?
Exactly, and if even we did have teeth and jaws well adapted to eating animals, using them as a justification for eating animals would simply amount to an appeal to nature fallacy. I cannot understand why so many people use this "teeth" argument. It's totally irrational.
So it has absolutely nothing to do with biology or survival. What a surprise.
I will happily criticise people who knowingly cause unnecessary suffering and death to animals.
Human teeth actually possess a herbivorous design. Compare our teeth to a cow's or a horse's with a lion's or a tiger's, they're almost functionally identically to herbivores in both design and mechanism.
There are plenty of breeds that have evolved to rape and murder as part of their natural cycle. Do you really think the argument “because I have evolved to do X there I should X” stands up? I’m actually not one to talk as I am still eating meat here and there but I just hate the argument whenever I see it….
Are you also going to forego modern medicine and live outside in central Africa? Because that's what your body developed to do.
If you wanna eat meat, then fine. But it's because you want to, not because of your teeth.
>Low-welfare eggs are flooding into the UK Low**er** welfare eggs. FTFY Guardian. Low welfare, high cruelty eggs are absolutely standard here already. **Edit: Should clear up what I meant by that** last I checked 38% of eggs produced in the UK were coming from cage or barn systems. Some are sold as eggs, most go into pre prepared foods like biscuits, cakes, pasta, sandwiches etc so we just buy them that way instead As for free range I also class that as low welfare production (very low actually): - Indoor areas are very cramped at 9 birds per m2. - outdoor access is only required for half the birds life - Birds with low production are kicked to death by teams hired by abbatoirs - Male chicks are gassed or macerated alive to the tune of about 1 every second (in the UK alone). - The parents of the free range layers are forgotten about and get it much, much worse (they're not free range) - The layers have been bred to lay many times more eggs than their natural predecessors did, which takes a massive toll on their bodies and leads to severe health problems - Chickens are roughly as intelligent as dogs (if thats relevant to anyone). If this was all being done to dogs we would class it as low welfare. I think Free range is better, but it's still a *very* cruel system overall
Bang on. If anyone gives a shit about this, they should become a vegan.
Could just you know…buy from a small farm…
Small farms aren’t necessarily exempt from any of these points.
especially the one on breeding. Life for a modern chicken is hell either way.
Or adopt some! Then you get eggs and they can live in as much room as you've got :)
Fox proofing is harder than you think.
We did an outside run with wire that runs below the ground at an angle, automatic coop doors for the chickens, and a locked egg hatch on the coop. So far, no dead chooks :)
well, good luck! because it sucks big time when it happens
Good job I don't give a shit then isn't it.
Compassion is a strength not a weakness.
Depends on your definition of 'good job'.
Same.
Then watch your own health slowly deteriorate. Veganism is a danger to human health. Animals should not live in horrible conditions or be treated cruelly, but go watch some wild life programs and see how cruel life and nature really is. We are designed physiologically to run predominantly on animal fat and animal protein, it is the most bio-available for us. The further we drift away from that the more chronic disease and health issues we get. Take something essential like vitamin A, a Vegan might say eat carrots. Carrot's have the inactive form carotene, we as humans need the active form of vitamin A retinol. which is found? In animal fat. Most humans cannot convert much if any carotene to retniol. Outcome? You become slowly deficient in vitamin A. Thats just 1 example of why no human should ever go vegan.
We are not designed. In any case both the NHS and the British Dietetics Association give the ok to a plant based/vegan diet for all stage of life. And even advise that it can reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes and other chronic diseases. https://www.bda.uk.com/resource/vegetarian-vegan-plant-based-diet.html https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet/the-vegan-diet/ I think I'll trust their expertise over some random on the internet who thinks: > We are designed physiologically to run predominantly on animal fat and animal protein Cheers though.
>We are designed physiologically to run predominantly on animal fat and animal protein Utter nonsense, unless by that you mean die prematurely from heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.
The RDA for vitamin A from Beta Carotene is equivalent to about 0.8 of a carrot per day (the RDA takes lowest converters into account)....or sweet potato/butternut squash/some dark leafy greens etc also work. >Thats just 1 example What other examples do you have? Because if I'm honest, that one seems rather weak. > veganism is a danger to human health Others have mentioned the NHS and cancer/diabetes/heart disease but also... According to the best data available animal agriculture likely indirectly kills around 200,000 humans every year purely due to antimicrobial use. Not to mention zoonotic pandemic risk..So there's that danger to human health. Also even non-human animals that eat meat are at higher risk of cancer mortality than animals that don't (maybe not relevant to humans, but interesting)
Surely proper vitamin supplementation can combat this? Must make clear that at no point did I say I was a vegan.
We are omnivorous, and we aren't designed to do anything.
>Chickens are roughly as intelligent as dogs Used to keep chickens, doubt this greatly, I've had dogs outsmart me (They can problem solve, they have the intelligence to think steps ahead. They can tell the difference between porcelain and eggs).
Chickens can problem solve, decent at arithmetic, can remember and recognise up to 100 faces, they dream in colour, communicate with their chicks before they've hatched, anticipate the future, recognise their names, use some form of logic/reasoning to decide when best to challenge each other..(there's a scientific term for that last one, I can't remember it. *Something Inference* I think) I mean it's a rough equivalence with these things, but it seems to be the consensus
There was a kid I'm my class at high school. Joined in year 9 and quickly went from the middle set in maths and science to the second from top in maths and top in separate sciences. He got 10 or 11 GCSEs and then his family moved away before A levels. Turns out he was a chicken.
Vorderman?......yep...Chicken.
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Most of this sounds observable but I'm calling absolute BS that it's observable that chickens dream in colour.
Yes I'm highly sceptical that chickens are as intelligent as dogs. When chickens can herd sheep I might believe it.
It’s as if there are different forms of intelligence. Some humans are socially intelligent, others have great capacity for memorising and information recall. Some animals are skilled at flying using air currents, others are good at stalking prey without being seen. Herding sheep isn’t in itself a good metric for measuring intelligence.
Perhaps they were outsmarting you into thinking they were dumber than they are?
Highest-welfare egg -> obtain 'spent hens' from farmers (laying hens that are 2+yrs and are due for slaughter due to laying less eggs) -> keep in garden.
Exactly what i have done. 7 chickens are now free range and provide enough eggs for me and my neighbors. Im supprised more people dont do this but i also think current generations are generally less likely to grow their own fruit and vegetables aswell.
I doubt i'll ever have my own home or a garden for starters.
Not everyone has a garden mate.
>Not everyone has a garden mate. I understand that. i dont have a back garden, i grow veg either side of my front driveway and am lucky to have a small yard area that is not suitable for growing so i introduced chickens instead. Allotments are a thing.
I live in a flat, mid level, no garden, and the waiting list for an allotment is almost as long as the council house list. Please tell me how I can keep chickens when my tenancy agreement *barely* allows me to have my children. Let alone my cats. Ps. Please don’t tell my Landlord I have cats.
Only if you agree to not tell him about the horse I have free range in my bathroom.
What about organic eggs?
- Points 2,4,5,6 and 7 are unchanged - Point 1 becomes 6 birds per m2 - Point 3 likely happens in Organic too (I don't see why they wouldn't, but it's only been filmed in Free Range farms) - maximum flock sizes are smaller and they get different feed and more space per bird outdoors. They also have to have a few more exit points in the sheds. Edit: and they still get electrocuted when they stop producing enough, at around 1/6th of their natural lifespan (if they avoid the kicking squads that is)
>Edit: and they still get electrocuted when they stop producing enough, at around 1/6th of their natural lifespan (if they avoid the kicking squads that is) This is even before counting failed stuns, which at the volume chickens are mercilessly slaughtered is an exorbitant amount of death. When you include sentient beings in a "margin of error" calculation 😬
Well I hope you're not lazying out and purchasing any of the millions of processed products containing caged eggs. If you care about chicken welfare that discounts you from buying most cakes, sweets, biscuits, ice cream, ready meals, jarred sauces, packed sandwiches, takeaway food, even large numbers of 'vegetarian' replacement foods like Quorn. Go vegan or give up. Most vegetarians are throwing thousands of quid at harming chickens every year.
I don't eat any egg, no
I suspect you eat quite a lot of egg and don't realise it. The only way to avoid it would be to become vegan basically, and never eat food somebody else has made.
Mate what are you doing? You know nothing about me lol. I've been Vegan for 3 years
I respect vegans, not vegetarians. They are sell outs.
You should probably chill out a bit with the accusations btw 😂
This guy is one of this sub's most prolific pro-vegan posters. Chill your beans.
> Low welfare eggs are absolutely standard here already They are? I can't remember the last time I saw caged/barn eggs for sale. Seemingly every supermarket now sells only free range eggs.
"Free range" conjures up mental images that don't reflect the reality of poultry farming. It's really not very nice, even at the "free range" level.
But they are better welfare than caged eggs which is what the article is about and what u/JeremyWheels is claiming is "standard here already". Can you please try addressing the actual points being made?
It does feed into JeremyWheels' point that "Low welfare eggs are absolutely standard here". Even if you're avoiding caged eggs at all costs (which might not be often found in the supermarkets, but are in all sorts of foods on sale as an ingredient), you can't rely on good welfare standards just because a label says "Free range".
Just to clear up ..I didn't say caged eggs were standard, although they kind of are. I said low welfare eggs were standard
These are caged eggs on a supermarket website. https://groceries.aldi.co.uk/en-GB/p-everyday-essentials-british-mixed-weight-eggs-15-pack/4088600204185 Organic eggs are better than free range. In terms of flock size which is much smaller. Beak trimming. Big flocks of birds display behavioural problems and peck the feathers off each other. No need with small flocks and beak trimming hurts. Time and area outside. Organic can go outside whenever they want for as long as they want and they have a large area per bird. Cheaper the egg the cheaper the box. Antibiotics. What they are fed. Basically the hens are treated way better than free range. https://www.soilassociation.org/take-action/organic-living/what-is-organic/organic-eggs/
That's an archived product on the Aldi website. I shop in Aldi several times a week and they do not have caged hen eggs.
Read the post above. Even free range laying hens only have to have outside access for half their lives and the male chicks are still macerated
Yeah but see them cakes that cost 99p for 6? They don't put Burford Brown eggs in them.
But Poland is in the EU, so they should abide by EU regulations, I would have thought.
Hilarious how the Guardian manage to try spin it as a Brexit issue when the countries the eggs are imported from are within the EU
People always blame the thing that they are opposed to . Labour will blame the Conservatives Conservatives will blame Labour Brexiteers will blame Remainers and vice versa Old will blame the young, and vice versa And so it goes...
In my rural areas loads of people sell eggs from their own hens from their home. The hens are running around their garden having a good life so I don’t feel so bad.
I end up giving eggs away. The hens produce about six a day, and I don’t particularly like eggs. The hens are right stupid bastards though, and hilarious to watch.
When I had hens I had to give the eggs to work colleagues.
Is The Guardian going for shock and alarm? If so they picked the wrong country. Brits have proven for years they will eat absolute filth as long as it is cheap. Most people don't actually care about quality or welfare, they just want cheap.
A lot of 'welfare' vegetarians have been munching on mass-processed food containing eggs from the cheapest, most caged, most chicken harming farms imaginable. All those ready made cakes, sandwiches, soups, sweets, ready meals, Quorn... Caged egg is used in nearly everything. Same is true for any eggs they've eaten at a restaurant. Go vegan or give up.
I might be biased as a vegetarian (I've never eaten eggs though), you still have to admit it's at least a start. The most cruel industry is obviously meat harvesting, and slowing demand for that is always a good thing (though numerically I doubt we even make a dent in their profits).
Is meat harvesting the cruelest industry? The egg and dairy industries still slaughter the animals in the exact same way, they just exploit them for a bit longer first
That's a super valid point, and I didn't fully consider that. I guess what I'm thinking is that in theory, the dairy/egg industry *could* be more ethical, (and with how eggs are branded as free-range or whatever, producers are certainly conscious of it as an advertising/product point), but there isn't really any way to sanitize the meat industry in the same way: fundamentally it will always be the murdering of creatures for meat, though I guess it's nice that they stun them first or something. But the fundamental cruelty is kind of impossible to mitigate, and that's perhaps less the case for the dairy industry.
But I was told eu had high standards? We should be importing more of these eggs.
Conor Benn's fault as he's been eating so many, that he failed a drugs test.
Not much can be done unfortunately. If I were in charge, I’d introduce the strictest farming standards on the planet. Free range meat and eggs only, all meat in processed products to be British (so the quality can be verified). I’d then get promptly booted out of office as food inflation would be triple what it is now.
Free range is an ultimately meaningless marketing buzzword.
"How do you tell if someone is vegan?" "Don't worry they'll tell you" being proven in the comments yet again.
This sub - People queuing at food banks! Bastard government. Give them cheap food! Also this sub - My food was raised wrong! Bastard government!
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We did this and it was wonderful - went through https://www.bhwt.org.uk/hen-adoption/
you could try growing one from one of those eggs!
So what? If I have to choose between a chickens lifestyle and eating? Eating wins.
That's a false dichotomy though. There's plenty else to eat.
Do you think other animals are treated any better?
Those that aren't raised to be exploited and killed... yes! Which is why we shouldn't raise animals to be exploited and killed.
My teeth developed to eat meat. So guess what's going to happen?
Our jaws grind slightly side to side like herbivores, unlike carnivores who go up and down. We have molars for grinding plant matter, unlike carnivores who have rows of sharp teeth. Our "canines" are utterly pathetic and couldn't rip through raw hide, and instead are for eating crunchy fruit. The animal with the biggest incisors relative to body size on the planet is the hippo, a herbivore. I can also curl my fist up and punch someone, something our bodies have developed the capability of doing. But just because I can, does it mean that I should?
Exactly, and if even we did have teeth and jaws well adapted to eating animals, using them as a justification for eating animals would simply amount to an appeal to nature fallacy. I cannot understand why so many people use this "teeth" argument. It's totally irrational.
Your survival doesn't generally depend on punching the shit outta someone. Nice straw man argument you have there.
Your survival doesn't depend on eating animals or their excretions.
It's what I prefer though. You're free to eat all the turnips you want. I wont criticize you for it either. Here, have mine.
So it has absolutely nothing to do with biology or survival. What a surprise. I will happily criticise people who knowingly cause unnecessary suffering and death to animals.
In terms of survival punching a dog for giggles is equally as necessary to me as killing animals to eat them is.
Good, let the XL Bully eat your kids then, because that's how he sees them. Walking, self delivering snacks.
Human teeth actually possess a herbivorous design. Compare our teeth to a cow's or a horse's with a lion's or a tiger's, they're almost functionally identically to herbivores in both design and mechanism.
There are plenty of breeds that have evolved to rape and murder as part of their natural cycle. Do you really think the argument “because I have evolved to do X there I should X” stands up? I’m actually not one to talk as I am still eating meat here and there but I just hate the argument whenever I see it….
Are you also going to forego modern medicine and live outside in central Africa? Because that's what your body developed to do. If you wanna eat meat, then fine. But it's because you want to, not because of your teeth.