>Does it make the game too easy?
Not in the least. In fact, it makes the game considerably harder.
And it's not just Eikthyr - it's all the bosses. And it's worth it, but - again - it's quite difficult. The payoff is that the only raid you'll ever get is Eikthyr Rallies the Creatures of the Forest, which is just boars and necks. It's basically just free food and supplies delivered right to your door, even in the early game. The downside is that it's *much* more difficult to get any kind of metal, and blackmetal is totally out of the question.
I always play a no-boss game (I call the play mode Extreme Resource Gathering) just because I like to live in peace and I don't want to bother with fortifications. However, the only way to actually win Valheim is to defeat the bosses. That said, Odin never gave you a deadline, so there's nothing that says you can't spend some time leveling first. And you're already dead, so you got **plenty** of time on your hands. So you can play an Extreme Resource Gathering game until you're bored with it, then just gear up and wade through all the bosses at once.
Exactly. But a pickaxe won't get you into a Crypt. You need to use an exploit for that. And then you have to use Stagbreaker to fish for Silver. And Blackmetal is out of the question because you need a blast furnace and you cannot get a blast furnace without first killing Moder (as far as I know there is no exploit or workaround for this).
It is more simple. Killing the bosses is more simple, as well. But simple isn't the goal.
Or if it is, just mod the crap out of everything and have at it.
You argued you play a no bosses game because you want to live in peace. This requires the exploit of game mechanics and work arounds to skip the normal progression of the game.
The end result, if you just want to play in peace, is that you put in a lot of effort and skip out on some features in order to have that peace. A much better and much easier solution is to use a mod that stops the events from happening rather than try to exploit your way through the game.
Not just easier. Its more effective and allows you to fully enjoy the game except the raid part. There is absolutely no benefit to exploiting your way through the game, missing out on many parts of the game just for the sake of having no raids on your base when a better solution that better accomplishes you goal...
Unless, of course, your goal is to make the game harder and more challenging. But if you wanted to do that you would trigger raids by killing the bosses or even get mods that made it harder.
I'm sorry, but what's your point? Do you need me to agree with you to let this go? I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I simply told you how I like to play the game and why. I don't need a sales pitch for the rest of the game. I've played it. I know what it has to offer and I know which parts of it I like.
You clearly stated a drawback( for you) to the way you play with no boss runs. That is you lose access to many things including building items. You stated you like to build in peace which is why you do no boss runs because you don't want to build moats and fortifications.
To accomplish this you have to exploit your way( AKA cheat) through the game and, as i mentioned, you still only have limited access to components( unless you cheat and spawn items)
I told you about a solution that would allow you to skip exploiting, cancel raids, and allow you access to all content the game has to offer...with zero exploiting. Literally no downside.
My point is lead a horse to water and sometimes you watch him drown instead of drink. Also if you wanted to " let it go" you would of not responded to me and that would of ended it. You are defying all kinds of logic.
Look, if using mods makes it possible for you to "fully enjoy the game", that's great. For some people, using mods makes it impossible to "fuilly enjoy the game". We are not all you. Get over it. Some people like to create challenges for themselves, others like to remove things they see as irritants. Neither is wrong, and neither is better.
My solution was that we beat the game on 1 server which my friend hosted but quit.. he let us empty the world so we had all the boss trophies hanging for all the perks, but never got the events cuz the bosses were not actually beaten on the new server
Yes. But killing the Elder triggers the *A Foul Smell From the Swamp* event, as well as *The Ground is Shaking* (provided you have also killed a troll).
Not exactly true. You won't get mobs until you kill a boss. You can skip Eikthyr, and still get the Uber-eats raids by boars and necks, but once you kill a boss, you trigger the raids that are tied to that event. And without killing the Elder, you have no reasonable way to get iron (there is a very slow way, for the masochistic). Without killing Moder, you can't make use of the lategame crafting and foods. I got as far as the mindkilling effort to squeeze a little iron out without killing Elder, and made it to the mountains to get silver, but there didn't seem to be much point to going to the plains, since I'd not be able to make use of what I found there.
And, no, it does not make the game too easy, just different. I've found that I prefer to use the trolls and roll logs to get finewood, and only kill Eikthyr when I'm ready to take on Elder, just to have time to find a good site for a base before having to fortify the throwaway bases from the early game.
> And without killing the Elder, you have no reasonable way to get iron (there is a very slow way, for the masochistic).
You can chair clip easily still I thought.
Place a chair overlapping the crypt entrance and sit in the chair to clip through the door.
I tried that. Got inside behind the bars, couldn't go down to enter the crypt, couldn't get back out. Not happy. Killing oozers was slow, but I didn't have to kill myself to get out...
All you need is a troll with a stick to hit enough copper and tin to make a bronze pic. If you dig under the entrance of a crypt, you can enter it from below without a key, so getting iron without elder is easier than getting bronze without eikhir.
>only kill Eikthyr when I'm ready to take on Elder, just to have time to find a good site for a base before having to fortify the throwaway bases from the early game.
That's a good thing to consider. In my first solo world I did spend a lot of time fortifying a base only to make a new one.
It’s been kind of refreshing not having draugur show up unexpected.
I haven’t killed any bosses so far. Looking at the wiki it looks like any that you kill will enable the raid for the next one so only by doing no bosses do you avoid all but the free food event.
Going to the swamp for the first time is still difficult. I think it has just given me time to get better defenses in place before killing one and starting the events.
I will probably start with Moder because finding bones for bone mass seems too much effort without the swamp key.
I am aware of both but I want planning on using them. So far I haven’t even found a crypt. I am using a mod that has some rune magic and using it I was able to change terrain to expose some mud piles and get iron. The only swamp near my starting area was a bit small.
I'd say not worth it. All that dicking around to get trolls to break copper and tin, just kill the boss. Be prepared for raid events. They are much more fun than not having them.
I also dont believe raid events are tied to the bosses. I've been hunted before killing Moder, and the forest has moved and the skeletons have surprised me before the Elder, and I've smelt that foul smell both from the swamp and in the air before Bonemass. I believe they are tied to the mob type. Once you kill that mob type, you can be raided by them. The ones that raid, that is.
Ah. Now I see why I thought what I thought. A troll can trigger troll raids and back when that was discovered by the community I hang in it was believed it was the same for all mobs and I never had reason t o believe otherwise.
It also explains why I've never seen a neck/boar raid and why I no longer see drake raids. My swamp raids never have Draugr though, always blobs.
I've heard (but not confirmed) that you don't even necessarily have to have killed a troll. Personally. If a troll dies anywhere in the world (say in one of the many mob skirmishes I usually run away from) and the Elder has been defeated, the event triggers.
moats and timesinks can plummet raids into triviality; in that context it's entirely possible skips save time in the long run?
bronze: have trolls smash ores
iron: pray for world scraps above water line, or find ways into crypts (logging out above them, clipping through bars by standing from a chair)
silver: just bonk around with stagbreaker, i think veins are naturally shallow and the game throws "TOO HARD" right in your face
iron is kind of a bitch even with crypts, i might skip the armor next playthrough and mountain up (bring resist potions and at least an iron pick)
>i might skip the armor next playthrough
Truth is, most of the reasons for leveling up your gear are boss-related. I use my troll-hide suit for the entirety of a playthrough, changing to metal only when I finally decide to kill all the bosses.
I usually try to skip most silver stuff. I've played on 4 different worlds and my current best experience is killing 2 eikhirs and going iron mining with 3 antler pickaxes. If you have the belt, you usually spend all 3 and get a full inventory. Dump iron in a chest next to a portal, go home, repair, return. Iron armour then plains for the string to make padded, which also uses iron.
>Does it make the game too easy? Not in the least. In fact, it makes the game considerably harder. And it's not just Eikthyr - it's all the bosses. And it's worth it, but - again - it's quite difficult. The payoff is that the only raid you'll ever get is Eikthyr Rallies the Creatures of the Forest, which is just boars and necks. It's basically just free food and supplies delivered right to your door, even in the early game. The downside is that it's *much* more difficult to get any kind of metal, and blackmetal is totally out of the question. I always play a no-boss game (I call the play mode Extreme Resource Gathering) just because I like to live in peace and I don't want to bother with fortifications. However, the only way to actually win Valheim is to defeat the bosses. That said, Odin never gave you a deadline, so there's nothing that says you can't spend some time leveling first. And you're already dead, so you got **plenty** of time on your hands. So you can play an Extreme Resource Gathering game until you're bored with it, then just gear up and wade through all the bosses at once.
OP said you use a troll to get copper/tin. You'd use that to make a pickaxe.
Exactly. But a pickaxe won't get you into a Crypt. You need to use an exploit for that. And then you have to use Stagbreaker to fish for Silver. And Blackmetal is out of the question because you need a blast furnace and you cannot get a blast furnace without first killing Moder (as far as I know there is no exploit or workaround for this).
Or you could just use a mod that allows you to remove events/raids from the game. Which is much simpler.
It is more simple. Killing the bosses is more simple, as well. But simple isn't the goal. Or if it is, just mod the crap out of everything and have at it.
You argued you play a no bosses game because you want to live in peace. This requires the exploit of game mechanics and work arounds to skip the normal progression of the game. The end result, if you just want to play in peace, is that you put in a lot of effort and skip out on some features in order to have that peace. A much better and much easier solution is to use a mod that stops the events from happening rather than try to exploit your way through the game.
"if you're gonna build an island base to avoid raids, just use a mod to disable raid altogether. Much simpler"
"Easy" isn't the goal. The goal is peace. I don't mind working harder for peace.
Not just easier. Its more effective and allows you to fully enjoy the game except the raid part. There is absolutely no benefit to exploiting your way through the game, missing out on many parts of the game just for the sake of having no raids on your base when a better solution that better accomplishes you goal... Unless, of course, your goal is to make the game harder and more challenging. But if you wanted to do that you would trigger raids by killing the bosses or even get mods that made it harder.
I'm sorry, but what's your point? Do you need me to agree with you to let this go? I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I simply told you how I like to play the game and why. I don't need a sales pitch for the rest of the game. I've played it. I know what it has to offer and I know which parts of it I like.
You clearly stated a drawback( for you) to the way you play with no boss runs. That is you lose access to many things including building items. You stated you like to build in peace which is why you do no boss runs because you don't want to build moats and fortifications. To accomplish this you have to exploit your way( AKA cheat) through the game and, as i mentioned, you still only have limited access to components( unless you cheat and spawn items) I told you about a solution that would allow you to skip exploiting, cancel raids, and allow you access to all content the game has to offer...with zero exploiting. Literally no downside. My point is lead a horse to water and sometimes you watch him drown instead of drink. Also if you wanted to " let it go" you would of not responded to me and that would of ended it. You are defying all kinds of logic.
Look, if using mods makes it possible for you to "fully enjoy the game", that's great. For some people, using mods makes it impossible to "fuilly enjoy the game". We are not all you. Get over it. Some people like to create challenges for themselves, others like to remove things they see as irritants. Neither is wrong, and neither is better.
My solution was that we beat the game on 1 server which my friend hosted but quit.. he let us empty the world so we had all the boss trophies hanging for all the perks, but never got the events cuz the bosses were not actually beaten on the new server
Well, you could kill the bosses in another world, bring the key and the wish bone as well as the moder tears.
I could certainly do that. I prefer to play a vanilla game as much as possible.
Couldn't you just kill the elder for the key?
Yes. But killing the Elder triggers the *A Foul Smell From the Swamp* event, as well as *The Ground is Shaking* (provided you have also killed a troll).
Not exactly true. You won't get mobs until you kill a boss. You can skip Eikthyr, and still get the Uber-eats raids by boars and necks, but once you kill a boss, you trigger the raids that are tied to that event. And without killing the Elder, you have no reasonable way to get iron (there is a very slow way, for the masochistic). Without killing Moder, you can't make use of the lategame crafting and foods. I got as far as the mindkilling effort to squeeze a little iron out without killing Elder, and made it to the mountains to get silver, but there didn't seem to be much point to going to the plains, since I'd not be able to make use of what I found there. And, no, it does not make the game too easy, just different. I've found that I prefer to use the trolls and roll logs to get finewood, and only kill Eikthyr when I'm ready to take on Elder, just to have time to find a good site for a base before having to fortify the throwaway bases from the early game.
> And without killing the Elder, you have no reasonable way to get iron (there is a very slow way, for the masochistic). You can chair clip easily still I thought. Place a chair overlapping the crypt entrance and sit in the chair to clip through the door.
Can confirm that it still works to this day, it can be tricky but it's quite easy
I tried that. Got inside behind the bars, couldn't go down to enter the crypt, couldn't get back out. Not happy. Killing oozers was slow, but I didn't have to kill myself to get out...
All you need is a troll with a stick to hit enough copper and tin to make a bronze pic. If you dig under the entrance of a crypt, you can enter it from below without a key, so getting iron without elder is easier than getting bronze without eikhir.
How do you dig below a crypt though? Water prevents it...
Plenty of crypts are high enough, that you can get in.
Oh, haven't seen one yet.
I don't know if that was patched, but all I ever got was a hole in the ground. Maybe I'll try it again, just to see.
Doesn't the high water level in the swamp prevent you from digging below the crypt?
>only kill Eikthyr when I'm ready to take on Elder, just to have time to find a good site for a base before having to fortify the throwaway bases from the early game. That's a good thing to consider. In my first solo world I did spend a lot of time fortifying a base only to make a new one.
Umm, kill Eikthyr.
It’s been kind of refreshing not having draugur show up unexpected. I haven’t killed any bosses so far. Looking at the wiki it looks like any that you kill will enable the raid for the next one so only by doing no bosses do you avoid all but the free food event. Going to the swamp for the first time is still difficult. I think it has just given me time to get better defenses in place before killing one and starting the events. I will probably start with Moder because finding bones for bone mass seems too much effort without the swamp key.
You can get in the crypts by entering from below, without the key.
There's also a chair exploit that'll get you into crypts.
I am aware of both but I want planning on using them. So far I haven’t even found a crypt. I am using a mod that has some rune magic and using it I was able to change terrain to expose some mud piles and get iron. The only swamp near my starting area was a bit small.
Just kill him, base invasions are fine and antler pick axe is best for iron mining as you can repair with workbench and it 1 hits
I'd say not worth it. All that dicking around to get trolls to break copper and tin, just kill the boss. Be prepared for raid events. They are much more fun than not having them. I also dont believe raid events are tied to the bosses. I've been hunted before killing Moder, and the forest has moved and the skeletons have surprised me before the Elder, and I've smelt that foul smell both from the swamp and in the air before Bonemass. I believe they are tied to the mob type. Once you kill that mob type, you can be raided by them. The ones that raid, that is.
Events are absolutely tied to the bosses: https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Events
Ah. Now I see why I thought what I thought. A troll can trigger troll raids and back when that was discovered by the community I hang in it was believed it was the same for all mobs and I never had reason t o believe otherwise. It also explains why I've never seen a neck/boar raid and why I no longer see drake raids. My swamp raids never have Draugr though, always blobs.
I've heard (but not confirmed) that you don't even necessarily have to have killed a troll. Personally. If a troll dies anywhere in the world (say in one of the many mob skirmishes I usually run away from) and the Elder has been defeated, the event triggers.
I was just reading that on the page you linked. That is correct.
moats and timesinks can plummet raids into triviality; in that context it's entirely possible skips save time in the long run? bronze: have trolls smash ores iron: pray for world scraps above water line, or find ways into crypts (logging out above them, clipping through bars by standing from a chair) silver: just bonk around with stagbreaker, i think veins are naturally shallow and the game throws "TOO HARD" right in your face iron is kind of a bitch even with crypts, i might skip the armor next playthrough and mountain up (bring resist potions and at least an iron pick)
>i might skip the armor next playthrough Truth is, most of the reasons for leveling up your gear are boss-related. I use my troll-hide suit for the entirety of a playthrough, changing to metal only when I finally decide to kill all the bosses.
Pardon me for asking: What is a timesink?
I usually try to skip most silver stuff. I've played on 4 different worlds and my current best experience is killing 2 eikhirs and going iron mining with 3 antler pickaxes. If you have the belt, you usually spend all 3 and get a full inventory. Dump iron in a chest next to a portal, go home, repair, return. Iron armour then plains for the string to make padded, which also uses iron.