My approach is ignorance is bliss. I used to worry about milk transfer when ordering coffee because they use the same steamer for dairy milk, but I’m not allergic and life is too short to worry about minimal transfers.
That being said, I would be really put off if I found cheese in my meal.
Personally, I don’t care. Simply being cooked in the same oil doesn’t increase demand for animal products, and I don’t have any kind of allergy. I ate meat for 25 years, it doesn’t gross me out or anything.
I can however fully understand how someone wouldn’t want to eat something that was contaminated with animal products. It just depends on the person.
I look at it this way: if they had to run two fryers, that’s twice the energy which impacts the environment that we share with animals. The lower impact option is better.
I don't want to eat things cooked with animal products, I find it gross. If others are fine with a vegan product with possible contamination, they are still reducing the demand for animal products so it is good. My youngest son is not vegan so we have a separate pan for cooking his animal products.
I think I’d be put off if I could taste meat from something cooked on a shared grill/bbq for example but I’m not bothered by the same fryer.
If I’m at my parents house and my dad uses the fryer to make chips in the same oil he’s used to cook meat sausages, that doesn’t bother me at all because the alternative is emptying it out and then using loads more oil just for me…
I can also see why people aren’t comfortable with that as well.
I actually don't understand why anybody wouldn't. You've done your part, you've not eaten any animal products, you've not funded any animal exploitation (any more than by eating at a non-vegan place already); all you're doing is sharing the same pan. I guess if it transfers flavour there is a debate to be had but if you cook an egg-and-milk pancake then a vegan one; it's always a vegan pancake.
A fryer or grill will end up with animal bits and juices so will definitely transfer an amount of animal product. My example of seeing vegan bacon going straight onto bacon grease at a cafe is a good example of something that I would no longer class as vegan
Some people are morally disgusted by fueling demand for animal products.
Some people are disgusted by the thought of having traces or remnants of corpses in their mouths.
Some people are disgusted by both (people like me). It seems you are only disgusted by one. What is there to not understand?
I don't mind things cooked in the same oven, fryers I'm not sure, but I definitely draw the line at grills; I went for breakfast at a cafe and of course they don't have space for two grills but I saw them take bacon off and put the vegan bacon straight into the porky grease mess and I had to cancel my order as I might as well just eat the bacon it's so covered in it.
I disagree. I'm vegan for animal welfare and I'm not killing any more animals if it sits where meat has been before. Everyone is different and I understand that.
I'm not sure what there is to disagree with as this is a personal choice, I wasn't asserting any objective point.
I understand what you're saying, but I am eating animal if I eat that pork-grease soaked vegan rasher, regardless of any implication on supply and demand and I just don't want to do that. It's not sitting where meat was, it is sitting in liquid meat. I'm not stopping anyone else from eating that, hell I didn't stop or question the person who ate the pork bacon. It's similar to the backyard egg argument, it doesn't add demand to the meat industry but I don't want to eat it.
Fair response mate but I can disagree with a personal choice no? Maybe its some technicality of the English language but it's used in this way commonly.
You disagree with people eating meat, no?
You can't disagree with me liking or not liking something, I wasn't saying whether something it right or wrong. We can like different things and you can can say whether you like something or don't whether that is the same or different to my opinion, but if you say you like Lego for example, what kind of response would it be for me to say I disagree? What, I disagree with you liking Lego?
I can disagree with people thinking it's ok to eat meat, I can disagree that they think livestock conditions are acceptable, but I can't disagree with a person saying they like meat, they just do, it's not a case of agree or disagree.
I am fine with it generally, but I would be upset about not being told and that they didn't do a basic level of "make sure not to put any cheese on the vegan plate" that comes across as some super lazy just slapping whatever and I would be frankly a bit concerned about their standards generally.
Im generally of the view that it would be a bit wasteful to make them get all new fresh oil just for me when I don't have an allergy or intolerance.
That being said, my grandma does. I would be furious on her behalf if this fuck up happened to her plate. If I was out with her and it happened on my plate she would probably stop eating hers too because that sort of fuck up kinda cant happen. Its like putting peanuts or shellfish on someones plate by mistake. There are some things you just cant do and misplacing ingredients onto the plates of folks who ordered something else is a big problem for me. How hard is it really to make sure you tip the basket out fully before you put new stuff in it? If that task is too arduous for them, I would not like to see the state of their freezer and wouldn't trust them to clean the forks.
Nope. Not for me. I don't want my vegan food cooked with vegetarian food anymore than when I was a vegetarian some 20+ years ago and didn't want it cooked with meat.
Different grill (we all use tinfoil to keep it clean), separate pots, I have an instantpot that I use 6/7 days a week, and separate blender in my house.
I will share the big oven with vegetarian foods on a lower shelf. But not meat, even the smell in the house makes me nauseated.
I am allergic to dairy and you're right that's a dangerous practice unless it's clear on the menu one fryer is used so people know. If I ate that I'd be in a world of hell, but at least I'm not anaphylactic.
A few years ago a young boy died after a fellow pupil threw a cheese slice at him during lunch, the skin contact lead to an anaphylactic shock, even with an epi-pen used immediately he didn't make it.
I went to a chippy in a seaside town once, and their chips were cooked in lamb fat. They smelled so much of lamb, I tried eating them since I had already paid for them and didn't want them to go to waste, but I just couldn't, it made my stomach turn.
Beef dripping here refers to replacing the vegetable oil with liquid beef fat. It used to be fairly common. It's not cross contamination. It's literally frying the food in beef fat.
Well in one, the beef dripping is part of the process and part of the product you are paying for. The other, you are paying for vegan food, fried in vegetable oil. There might be slight amounts of cross contamination from non vegan products that are also fried in vegetable oil. But you'd purchase hasn't contributed to the demand for animal products.
In the vegan society's eyes, that oil is no longer vegan. There should be no cross contamination. There is the fats and lactations of animals that have either been killed or harmed floating around in it.
My non vegan mum bought separate knives and other cooking utensils, and even a frying pan to avoid cross contamination. She did that. Even though she wasn't vegan herself, she respected my beliefs and made sure my food wouldn't be contaminated with anything animal related.
And what is also blowing my mind is I'm being down voted. Rediculous
I can understand personally not wanting to consume it. But I would say it's still vegan. Buying the product is not contributing in any way to animal exploitation. And I would argue that demanding separate oil makes veganism much less accessible
>But I would say it's still vegan.
Unfortunately, you'd be wrong. I think it's important to remember that the vegan society has quite clearly defined its stance on this issue. Therefore, your personal thoughts and feelings are simply just that; personal to you alone.
And then, of course, we come too the age old problem of people saying they are vegan except for X. So a person goes into a restaurant and says 'oh I'm vegan but I eat eggs'. The server then starts to think, perhaps, that vegans can eat eggs. You all know the rest...
No I wouldn't be wrong. Sure the vegan society doesn't certify products with cross contamination. But that is because there are many people who won't eat food with cross contamination. The vegan society trademark is a guarantee that a product doesn't contain animal products.
When looking at the definition of veganism, as per the vegan society:
"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals"
I would argue eating chips fried in vegetable oil, that has also been used to fry fish, still fits fully within this definition. The centre of veganism is the animals.
No action taken has contributed to the exploitation or abuse of animals. This contrasts with your examples of vegan except for eggs, or honey. These sti directly support the animal agriculture industry.
Say there's a theoretical fish and chips shop, where you order in advance and the exact amount of produce required is ordered accordingly. If one day, the orders were only for chips, the only things the co shop would buy are potatoes and vegetable oil. This is different to a chip shop that cooks the chips in beef fat. They would still be ordering animal products to cater to you. That's why beef drippings is a different scenario.
I think the more apt comparison, would be leftover meat, ordered by someone else that would go to waste. There is no additional demand created there.
However I would say that this results in people not taking veganism seriously. You could argue the same applies to cross contamination, but I would argue that it is offset by making veganism seem more accessible.
The vegan society has made it clear about their thoughts on vegan items being fried with meat [here](https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/lifestyle/food-and-drink/vegan-friendly-options-uk-and-us-chains#:~:text=If%20you%E2%80%99re%20not%20so%20lucky%2C%20your%20local%20chippy%20will%20fry%20the%20chips%20in%20beef%20dripping%20(popular%20with%20more%20traditional%20style%20chip%20shops)%20or%20the%20same%20oil%20as%20meat%20products%2C%20which%20means%20even%20chips%20will%20be%20off%20the%20menu!%20Be%20sure%20to%20find%20out%20more%20about%20their%20cooking%20methods%20before%20ordering.%C2%A0).
Hmmm...I wonder why? Why would submerging and cooking chips in animal fat be worse than finding a particle of cheese on an otherwise vegan dish? What, indeed, could possibly be the difference between the two scenarios? You got me; it's a complete mystery.
Well, I'd rather find a little bit of cheese on something that was vegan, rather than try and eat something that was cooked in animal fat. 🤮
However, that's something that's personal to me. For other people, it could be that both are equally as bad as each other.
The vegan society makes it quite clear that neither are vegan. I don't think we need to discuss it much further than that?
It is only a significant problem for those with allergies. No more animals are getting harmed/killed from cross contamination. So morally, it's not an issue. However some with allergies may order the vegan option and be at risk!
If they list something as vegan, it should not be cooked with nonvegan things. They could easily call it what it is without noting it as vegan. This is also why companies don’t mark items as vegan in grocery stores if it could have come in contact with nonvegan things- allergies exist and they are liable. Personally I am fine eating items fried in the same oil, but I know my husband would not be. I would be furious if that happened to him. I would leave an online review calling the owner to action to either remove the word vegan or get a separate fryer for vegan items.
I've seen places list things cooked in a shared fryer as plant based even when other things are marked vegan on their menu. Took me a minute to get my head around but it does kind of make sense
Burger King used to do this with their products. The (non vegan because cooked on the same grill) Whopper was marked as plant-based, while the chicken style Vegan Royale was marked with a vegan symbol.
The fries, Vegan Royale and the Beanburger are cooked in a dedicated fryer.
Veganism isn't the same as an allergy. I couldn't care less though I wouldn't enjoy finding an animal product in my food its the risk you take if you go somewhere that isn't fully vegan.
I would care because of cross-contamination. I understand the comments saying "vegan isn't the same as an allergy," but everyone is vegan for different reasons, and an allergy or intolerance may be a reason.
Whoever's prepping the food and/or drink doesn't know and shouldn't assume it's a preference; while stuff like eggs is (as far as I'm aware) a preference for me, milk powder has made me vomit pretty violently before and I've recently been in and out of hospital for health issues involving food digestion and dairy is one of the trigger foods I need to avoid. There was also Celia Marsh, who died from eating a wrap labelled as vegan and was allergic to dairy.
So I would personally say yeah, I think it's pretty serious, and they should at least disclose this information on their menu or let you know when you order the food or something. Many places seem to add vegan options as an afterthought to cater to everyone, but I would rather go elsewhere if they're being careless about it.
My thoughts won't change reality though, so I do make sure to be careful for myself and ask questions because I know how harmful it can be for me to accidentally consume meat or dairy, but I know not every vegan needs to be cautious like that.
In the Vegan Society's eyes anything that has been cross contaminated with animal derivatives is no longer vegan. I am also highly allergic to dairy and it can make me very ill. But I am vegan because of the cruelty etc.
This is from the Vegan Society
"They should adopt sensible and reasonable practices in food storage, preparation and cooking, including not using the same grill, fat fryer etc. for both meat and vegan products because of the real risk of cross contamination."
I don't want to eat anything that has even been touched by death or cruelty. It is no longer vegan
Exactly. I am actually horrified by the amount of people saying that they would be okay if they ate something that was cooked in the same fryer as bacon or sausages, etc.
Same here. If they were a strict Jew, they wouldn't see any meat cooked in the same oil as pork as being kosher. It's been tainted. That oil is filled with the fat from a dead animal or animal lactations. That oil isn't vegan.
Just noticed how long you've been vegan and veggie before. I'm pretty much the same. Been vegan almost 8 years now and was veggie for about 35 years. How did you add that?
Walked out of a restaurant after they said they cook the vegan stuff with the fish and chicken. I just can’t stand the taste and it makes my wife throw up
I loathe the idea of vegan food being cooked with meat/fish and for this reason I eat out very rarely. The idea of eating animal products disgusts me snd i just don’t trust a lot if restaurants/cafes any more.
I know it is nearly impossible to completely ensure there is no contamination but I don’t want to give any money to a place that doesn’t give a shit about separating vegan and non vegan food prep.
I’ve seen some places that state if vegan food is cooked with non vegan food (ie in the same oil) and that’s good for me. It is then the individual’s decision about whether they want to have that or not.
The worst is when food is labelled ‘plant-based’; a weak equivalent to veganism that was conceived by marketeers to make vegan food less scary to meat-eaters.
It is good that vegan food is becoming more mainstream. However, I always have a nagging doubt that ‘plant-based’ food isn’t actually vegan.
Personally, I really don't like it and try to avoid it as much as possible. I'm lucky to live somewhere with loads of fully vegan places so I pretty much only go to those places. I understand if some other people don't care though.
I’m really lactose intolerant. So I’m really cautious of any contact that my food has with dairy. The few times I’ve had a reaction from cross contamination in restaurants , I just left a mess in their toilet. Partly out of spite, but also because, well you know.
I usually flag my allergy to the wait staff, but I’m fine with other forms of cross contamination.
I really don’t like it. I wouldn’t like going to a restaurant and they cook my stuff in the same pan as fish or sausages for example. I know you aren’t actually eating it but imo it’s not nice to think something dead has been near my food
If I can avoid it I will, and it grosses me out, but if I don't know, not much I can do. But cooked on the same grill/frying pan/hot plate, absolutely not. My partner isn't vegan and we have seperate pans/plates at her house. I read somewhere it takes 7 washes to remove cross contamination fully and since then I hate the thought of using a pan/plate/cutlery that's been washed once after used for non vegan
I only recently found out about chips being cooked in the same oil as fish in a lot of chippy’s so god knows how many times I’ve consumed it. Now I ask. If it was traces of egg/milk, I don’t mind as much but it still grosses me out if I think about it. Moreso being cooked with carcasses I will check for.
I don’t worry about it, but if someone with an allergy had been ordering that it would be a problem. Probably letting them know beforehand that you have dietary restrictions would be the best route.
No, everywhere isn’t like this. If it had shared cooking apparatus it cannot be labelled vegan. For example the plant whopper in Burger King was cooked on the same grill as meat and therefore could not be considered vegan. The fries in KFC cooked in the same fryer as breaded frozen chicken and therefore cannot be considered vegan. Some would ignore this and follow ingredients only, I’m one of them. I appreciate the honestly as some vegan certified foods carry a much more likely cross contamination risk, for example products in Subway. Some companies are getting away with things that they shouldn’t be at the moment with vegan labelling. But it’s important we maintain these high standards of certification for the purpose of allergies and those who are uncomfortable with the idea of accidental trace consumption.
Doesn't increase demand for animal products nor harm any animals what's the issue. If a steak was going to be thrown away you could argue its OK to eat due to not wasting. I really think its a bit much being cautious of any trace contamination.
My approach is ignorance is bliss. I used to worry about milk transfer when ordering coffee because they use the same steamer for dairy milk, but I’m not allergic and life is too short to worry about minimal transfers. That being said, I would be really put off if I found cheese in my meal.
Steamers are cleaned after each use otherwise the milk in them starts to go funky
Ditto.
That wouldn’t bother me.
Personally, I don’t care. Simply being cooked in the same oil doesn’t increase demand for animal products, and I don’t have any kind of allergy. I ate meat for 25 years, it doesn’t gross me out or anything. I can however fully understand how someone wouldn’t want to eat something that was contaminated with animal products. It just depends on the person.
I look at it this way: if they had to run two fryers, that’s twice the energy which impacts the environment that we share with animals. The lower impact option is better.
Yes, I’ve thought about it this way too. It just makes sense, but restaurants should definitely make customers aware of cross contamination
I don’t think I’d really care, but they should absolutely be transparent about it for those with allergies
I don't want to eat things cooked with animal products, I find it gross. If others are fine with a vegan product with possible contamination, they are still reducing the demand for animal products so it is good. My youngest son is not vegan so we have a separate pan for cooking his animal products.
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I think I’d be put off if I could taste meat from something cooked on a shared grill/bbq for example but I’m not bothered by the same fryer. If I’m at my parents house and my dad uses the fryer to make chips in the same oil he’s used to cook meat sausages, that doesn’t bother me at all because the alternative is emptying it out and then using loads more oil just for me… I can also see why people aren’t comfortable with that as well.
I actually don't understand why anybody wouldn't. You've done your part, you've not eaten any animal products, you've not funded any animal exploitation (any more than by eating at a non-vegan place already); all you're doing is sharing the same pan. I guess if it transfers flavour there is a debate to be had but if you cook an egg-and-milk pancake then a vegan one; it's always a vegan pancake.
A fryer or grill will end up with animal bits and juices so will definitely transfer an amount of animal product. My example of seeing vegan bacon going straight onto bacon grease at a cafe is a good example of something that I would no longer class as vegan
Some people are morally disgusted by fueling demand for animal products. Some people are disgusted by the thought of having traces or remnants of corpses in their mouths. Some people are disgusted by both (people like me). It seems you are only disgusted by one. What is there to not understand?
I don't mind things cooked in the same oven, fryers I'm not sure, but I definitely draw the line at grills; I went for breakfast at a cafe and of course they don't have space for two grills but I saw them take bacon off and put the vegan bacon straight into the porky grease mess and I had to cancel my order as I might as well just eat the bacon it's so covered in it.
I disagree. I'm vegan for animal welfare and I'm not killing any more animals if it sits where meat has been before. Everyone is different and I understand that.
I'm not sure what there is to disagree with as this is a personal choice, I wasn't asserting any objective point. I understand what you're saying, but I am eating animal if I eat that pork-grease soaked vegan rasher, regardless of any implication on supply and demand and I just don't want to do that. It's not sitting where meat was, it is sitting in liquid meat. I'm not stopping anyone else from eating that, hell I didn't stop or question the person who ate the pork bacon. It's similar to the backyard egg argument, it doesn't add demand to the meat industry but I don't want to eat it.
Fair response mate but I can disagree with a personal choice no? Maybe its some technicality of the English language but it's used in this way commonly. You disagree with people eating meat, no?
You can't disagree with me liking or not liking something, I wasn't saying whether something it right or wrong. We can like different things and you can can say whether you like something or don't whether that is the same or different to my opinion, but if you say you like Lego for example, what kind of response would it be for me to say I disagree? What, I disagree with you liking Lego? I can disagree with people thinking it's ok to eat meat, I can disagree that they think livestock conditions are acceptable, but I can't disagree with a person saying they like meat, they just do, it's not a case of agree or disagree.
I am fine with it generally, but I would be upset about not being told and that they didn't do a basic level of "make sure not to put any cheese on the vegan plate" that comes across as some super lazy just slapping whatever and I would be frankly a bit concerned about their standards generally. Im generally of the view that it would be a bit wasteful to make them get all new fresh oil just for me when I don't have an allergy or intolerance. That being said, my grandma does. I would be furious on her behalf if this fuck up happened to her plate. If I was out with her and it happened on my plate she would probably stop eating hers too because that sort of fuck up kinda cant happen. Its like putting peanuts or shellfish on someones plate by mistake. There are some things you just cant do and misplacing ingredients onto the plates of folks who ordered something else is a big problem for me. How hard is it really to make sure you tip the basket out fully before you put new stuff in it? If that task is too arduous for them, I would not like to see the state of their freezer and wouldn't trust them to clean the forks.
Nope. Not for me. I don't want my vegan food cooked with vegetarian food anymore than when I was a vegetarian some 20+ years ago and didn't want it cooked with meat. Different grill (we all use tinfoil to keep it clean), separate pots, I have an instantpot that I use 6/7 days a week, and separate blender in my house. I will share the big oven with vegetarian foods on a lower shelf. But not meat, even the smell in the house makes me nauseated. I am allergic to dairy and you're right that's a dangerous practice unless it's clear on the menu one fryer is used so people know. If I ate that I'd be in a world of hell, but at least I'm not anaphylactic. A few years ago a young boy died after a fellow pupil threw a cheese slice at him during lunch, the skin contact lead to an anaphylactic shock, even with an epi-pen used immediately he didn't make it.
As long as it's not beef dripping (as some UK chippies still use), I'm OK.
I went to a chippy in a seaside town once, and their chips were cooked in lamb fat. They smelled so much of lamb, I tried eating them since I had already paid for them and didn't want them to go to waste, but I just couldn't, it made my stomach turn.
As long as it's not beef dripping? What difference does it make? Lol why is beef dripping worse than any other animal crossing contamination?
Beef dripping here refers to replacing the vegetable oil with liquid beef fat. It used to be fairly common. It's not cross contamination. It's literally frying the food in beef fat.
I know what need dripping is. That wasn't my question lol
Well in one, the beef dripping is part of the process and part of the product you are paying for. The other, you are paying for vegan food, fried in vegetable oil. There might be slight amounts of cross contamination from non vegan products that are also fried in vegetable oil. But you'd purchase hasn't contributed to the demand for animal products.
In the vegan society's eyes, that oil is no longer vegan. There should be no cross contamination. There is the fats and lactations of animals that have either been killed or harmed floating around in it. My non vegan mum bought separate knives and other cooking utensils, and even a frying pan to avoid cross contamination. She did that. Even though she wasn't vegan herself, she respected my beliefs and made sure my food wouldn't be contaminated with anything animal related. And what is also blowing my mind is I'm being down voted. Rediculous
I can understand personally not wanting to consume it. But I would say it's still vegan. Buying the product is not contributing in any way to animal exploitation. And I would argue that demanding separate oil makes veganism much less accessible
>But I would say it's still vegan. Unfortunately, you'd be wrong. I think it's important to remember that the vegan society has quite clearly defined its stance on this issue. Therefore, your personal thoughts and feelings are simply just that; personal to you alone. And then, of course, we come too the age old problem of people saying they are vegan except for X. So a person goes into a restaurant and says 'oh I'm vegan but I eat eggs'. The server then starts to think, perhaps, that vegans can eat eggs. You all know the rest...
No I wouldn't be wrong. Sure the vegan society doesn't certify products with cross contamination. But that is because there are many people who won't eat food with cross contamination. The vegan society trademark is a guarantee that a product doesn't contain animal products. When looking at the definition of veganism, as per the vegan society: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals" I would argue eating chips fried in vegetable oil, that has also been used to fry fish, still fits fully within this definition. The centre of veganism is the animals. No action taken has contributed to the exploitation or abuse of animals. This contrasts with your examples of vegan except for eggs, or honey. These sti directly support the animal agriculture industry. Say there's a theoretical fish and chips shop, where you order in advance and the exact amount of produce required is ordered accordingly. If one day, the orders were only for chips, the only things the co shop would buy are potatoes and vegetable oil. This is different to a chip shop that cooks the chips in beef fat. They would still be ordering animal products to cater to you. That's why beef drippings is a different scenario. I think the more apt comparison, would be leftover meat, ordered by someone else that would go to waste. There is no additional demand created there. However I would say that this results in people not taking veganism seriously. You could argue the same applies to cross contamination, but I would argue that it is offset by making veganism seem more accessible.
The vegan society has made it clear about their thoughts on vegan items being fried with meat [here](https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/lifestyle/food-and-drink/vegan-friendly-options-uk-and-us-chains#:~:text=If%20you%E2%80%99re%20not%20so%20lucky%2C%20your%20local%20chippy%20will%20fry%20the%20chips%20in%20beef%20dripping%20(popular%20with%20more%20traditional%20style%20chip%20shops)%20or%20the%20same%20oil%20as%20meat%20products%2C%20which%20means%20even%20chips%20will%20be%20off%20the%20menu!%20Be%20sure%20to%20find%20out%20more%20about%20their%20cooking%20methods%20before%20ordering.%C2%A0).
Hmmm...I wonder why? Why would submerging and cooking chips in animal fat be worse than finding a particle of cheese on an otherwise vegan dish? What, indeed, could possibly be the difference between the two scenarios? You got me; it's a complete mystery.
To me they're equally as bad...but hey ho
Well, I'd rather find a little bit of cheese on something that was vegan, rather than try and eat something that was cooked in animal fat. 🤮 However, that's something that's personal to me. For other people, it could be that both are equally as bad as each other. The vegan society makes it quite clear that neither are vegan. I don't think we need to discuss it much further than that?
It is only a significant problem for those with allergies. No more animals are getting harmed/killed from cross contamination. So morally, it's not an issue. However some with allergies may order the vegan option and be at risk!
If they list something as vegan, it should not be cooked with nonvegan things. They could easily call it what it is without noting it as vegan. This is also why companies don’t mark items as vegan in grocery stores if it could have come in contact with nonvegan things- allergies exist and they are liable. Personally I am fine eating items fried in the same oil, but I know my husband would not be. I would be furious if that happened to him. I would leave an online review calling the owner to action to either remove the word vegan or get a separate fryer for vegan items.
I've seen places list things cooked in a shared fryer as plant based even when other things are marked vegan on their menu. Took me a minute to get my head around but it does kind of make sense
Burger King used to do this with their products. The (non vegan because cooked on the same grill) Whopper was marked as plant-based, while the chicken style Vegan Royale was marked with a vegan symbol. The fries, Vegan Royale and the Beanburger are cooked in a dedicated fryer.
Veganism isn't the same as an allergy. I couldn't care less though I wouldn't enjoy finding an animal product in my food its the risk you take if you go somewhere that isn't fully vegan.
I would care because of cross-contamination. I understand the comments saying "vegan isn't the same as an allergy," but everyone is vegan for different reasons, and an allergy or intolerance may be a reason. Whoever's prepping the food and/or drink doesn't know and shouldn't assume it's a preference; while stuff like eggs is (as far as I'm aware) a preference for me, milk powder has made me vomit pretty violently before and I've recently been in and out of hospital for health issues involving food digestion and dairy is one of the trigger foods I need to avoid. There was also Celia Marsh, who died from eating a wrap labelled as vegan and was allergic to dairy. So I would personally say yeah, I think it's pretty serious, and they should at least disclose this information on their menu or let you know when you order the food or something. Many places seem to add vegan options as an afterthought to cater to everyone, but I would rather go elsewhere if they're being careless about it. My thoughts won't change reality though, so I do make sure to be careful for myself and ask questions because I know how harmful it can be for me to accidentally consume meat or dairy, but I know not every vegan needs to be cautious like that.
In the Vegan Society's eyes anything that has been cross contaminated with animal derivatives is no longer vegan. I am also highly allergic to dairy and it can make me very ill. But I am vegan because of the cruelty etc.
I don’t care. But I wouldn’t expect a whole chunk of paneer to arrive on my plate… weird.
This is from the Vegan Society "They should adopt sensible and reasonable practices in food storage, preparation and cooking, including not using the same grill, fat fryer etc. for both meat and vegan products because of the real risk of cross contamination." I don't want to eat anything that has even been touched by death or cruelty. It is no longer vegan
Exactly. I am actually horrified by the amount of people saying that they would be okay if they ate something that was cooked in the same fryer as bacon or sausages, etc.
Same here. If they were a strict Jew, they wouldn't see any meat cooked in the same oil as pork as being kosher. It's been tainted. That oil is filled with the fat from a dead animal or animal lactations. That oil isn't vegan. Just noticed how long you've been vegan and veggie before. I'm pretty much the same. Been vegan almost 8 years now and was veggie for about 35 years. How did you add that?
Walked out of a restaurant after they said they cook the vegan stuff with the fish and chicken. I just can’t stand the taste and it makes my wife throw up
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I loathe the idea of vegan food being cooked with meat/fish and for this reason I eat out very rarely. The idea of eating animal products disgusts me snd i just don’t trust a lot if restaurants/cafes any more. I know it is nearly impossible to completely ensure there is no contamination but I don’t want to give any money to a place that doesn’t give a shit about separating vegan and non vegan food prep. I’ve seen some places that state if vegan food is cooked with non vegan food (ie in the same oil) and that’s good for me. It is then the individual’s decision about whether they want to have that or not. The worst is when food is labelled ‘plant-based’; a weak equivalent to veganism that was conceived by marketeers to make vegan food less scary to meat-eaters. It is good that vegan food is becoming more mainstream. However, I always have a nagging doubt that ‘plant-based’ food isn’t actually vegan.
Personally, I really don't like it and try to avoid it as much as possible. I'm lucky to live somewhere with loads of fully vegan places so I pretty much only go to those places. I understand if some other people don't care though.
I’m really lactose intolerant. So I’m really cautious of any contact that my food has with dairy. The few times I’ve had a reaction from cross contamination in restaurants , I just left a mess in their toilet. Partly out of spite, but also because, well you know. I usually flag my allergy to the wait staff, but I’m fine with other forms of cross contamination.
This is why I just eat at home or in completely vegan restaurants.
Cross contamination isn’t increasing demand. It’s not an issue for me.
I really don’t like it. I wouldn’t like going to a restaurant and they cook my stuff in the same pan as fish or sausages for example. I know you aren’t actually eating it but imo it’s not nice to think something dead has been near my food
Not vegan. Always ask if they fry separately
If I can avoid it I will, and it grosses me out, but if I don't know, not much I can do. But cooked on the same grill/frying pan/hot plate, absolutely not. My partner isn't vegan and we have seperate pans/plates at her house. I read somewhere it takes 7 washes to remove cross contamination fully and since then I hate the thought of using a pan/plate/cutlery that's been washed once after used for non vegan
I only recently found out about chips being cooked in the same oil as fish in a lot of chippy’s so god knows how many times I’ve consumed it. Now I ask. If it was traces of egg/milk, I don’t mind as much but it still grosses me out if I think about it. Moreso being cooked with carcasses I will check for.
my friend got vegan fish and chips at a pub once and there was a prawn in the fish batter!
I ask before I order but you can't be sure can you.
If I ate dairy I would projectile vomit, amongst other painful things. Transparency would be best imo, I’m ok so long as I don’t eat it
I don’t worry about it, but if someone with an allergy had been ordering that it would be a problem. Probably letting them know beforehand that you have dietary restrictions would be the best route.
Honestly I don’t give a shit. I’d rather somewhere serve plant food from a fryer that also cooks meat than not serve any plant based food at all.
Not arsed to be honest. I care about reducing suffering to animals. Using the same fat as some neat has been in isn't adding to the suffering.
No, everywhere isn’t like this. If it had shared cooking apparatus it cannot be labelled vegan. For example the plant whopper in Burger King was cooked on the same grill as meat and therefore could not be considered vegan. The fries in KFC cooked in the same fryer as breaded frozen chicken and therefore cannot be considered vegan. Some would ignore this and follow ingredients only, I’m one of them. I appreciate the honestly as some vegan certified foods carry a much more likely cross contamination risk, for example products in Subway. Some companies are getting away with things that they shouldn’t be at the moment with vegan labelling. But it’s important we maintain these high standards of certification for the purpose of allergies and those who are uncomfortable with the idea of accidental trace consumption.
Out of sight out of mind
That's a whole bag of no
My first thought is McDougall, Campbell, Esselstyn and Greger haven’t done a good enough job to get people to quit fried food and oils 😂😂😂
Doesn't increase demand for animal products nor harm any animals what's the issue. If a steak was going to be thrown away you could argue its OK to eat due to not wasting. I really think its a bit much being cautious of any trace contamination.