>The flag of Martinique consists of a red triangle at the hoist, with two horizontal bands, the upper green and the lower black. It was adopted on 2 February 2023.
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Martinique
>But when I searched the flag, I got 2 results.
I'm confused. So you searched for the flag, got these images, and rather than reading the top google result, came to ask the same question on the sub?
What do you mean more info? This person literally copied the first sentence from google results. This is literally less info that what you could have gotten in Google itself
I'm pretty sure our version of the Gadsden flag is the Patriote flag with the old man of '37 on it.
https://preview.redd.it/l8hn6wzhmvvc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf34c4098d170a59c1464912741b5c486a767569
It was pretty big deal on this sub when it happened, not least because the first chosen flag used ~~stolen artwork~~ a Shutterstock image.
*post edited to note correction for misinformation below*
I mean; yes they likely did have a license to use it, but you can’t put a shutterstock owned image on a flag. Unless you want to pay royalties to shutterstock everytime you fly it
https://preview.redd.it/qxne7s6m0wvc1.jpeg?width=599&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2817df12e269c7947ed917a8b53ff91372b6f8b0
Weird, to me it shows snek one. Must be my phone being old
The snake flag is a centuries old flag that hasn't had any recent official status, and while the symbol has been used in a few different ways more recently, it's also controversial since it is basically a version of a French imperial symbol dating from the time of slavery (a lot of criticism of it specifically refers to the white cross being used on slave ships). The local view was generally that Martinique didn't have a flag, and early last year, after several attempt to decide on a flag for sporting and cultural occasions, the assembly adopted the red/green/black flag that has been used local independentist groups for some time.
>a lot of criticism of it specifically refers to the white cross being used on slave ships).
The white cross on a dark blue background was just the french civil ensign and merchant flag during the 1600s. It was used on ships of all kinds, not just slave ships. It's actually the same symbol that the flag of Quebec is based on.
Well yes, but enslaved people *were* a substantial portion of the cargo being brought on those ships *specifically to Martinique*. Like there's nothing contradictory in saying that in a Quebecois context it doesn't connote slavery whereas in a Martiniquais context it does connote slavery, at least to some degree.
Sure. The existence of slave ships seems to be an important part of why plenty of relevant people aren't too keen on using something based on a French civil ensign from that period, though.
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Which is an odd choice considering support for independence is super low in Martinique. I guess voters tend to support pro-autonomy parties at regional elections, but whenever the issue of more autonomy is put before voters directly they reject it, preferring to keep their continued status of full integration with France.
On the one hand, the process that led to this flag being chosen was long, with all sorts of twists and turns, so I wouldn't say that this nationalist flag was a clear obvious choice... On the other hand, you don't need to support independence in general in order to see a symbol created by independence activists as meaningful/helpful.
You're sure about that ? I mean maybe for the Departments, but for all the Drom-Toms I think New Caledonia has the most indepentists, followed by Polynesia.
Technically the "snake flag" was never the official flag of Martinique, Wikipedia states that "Prior to 2023, Martinique did not have its own flag" and the only official flag of Martinique was the French flag (as Martinique is an overseas department of France). However, the snake flag was used commonly as an unofficial flag to represent Martinique, and was also on Martinique's flag emoji.
In 2023 the new flag (with the triangle) was adopted as the official flag and is now the official flag of Martinique. [Apple and Samsung](https://emojipedia.org/flag-martinique) have changed their emoji to reflect the new flag but other major platforms have yet to make that change.
TL;DR: The flag with the triangle is the current official flag of Martinique; before this, Martinique did not have an official flag other than the flag of France.
The snake flag was never really the flag of Martinique in the first place, it was neither official nor widely used by locals, the only reason you think that it was is because someone (probably not very informed on the matter) has decided to use it for the flag emojis
I am Martiniquese (i don't know how americans call us) and we changed it a few years ago but it became fully official like a year ago.
The snakes represents slavery in simple terms. Which is why we changed
Despite a lot of people who think the new flag is ugly (and yes a lot of people in Martinique also think its ugly) but the meaning behind it is way more important.
It was also important for us to change our flag as we want Independence from France, BUT many other martiniqueses wants to stay with France due to the fact they are afraid we won't be able to build a good economy since we are only an island.
À quelle point le mouvement indépendantiste martiniquais est important? Je suis un indépendantiste québécois et on entend jamais parler de votre mouvement indépendantiste alors que vous êtes sur le même continent et qu’on partage une langue commune, ce qui est vraiment dommage.
Je dirais qu'il est très important pour la majorité de la population, de plus on est une île pas trop connue donc les médias ne parlent pas assez de nous mais on essaye d'avoir notre indépendance et ceux dans les mouvements se battent. Malheureusement ça sera compliqué puisque une autre partie de la population à peur de prendre son indépendance, comme je l'ai dis dans mon texte, certains pensant qu'on va pas réussir à se construire une bonne économie car nous somme sur une île, donc c'est plus compliqué de faire du "business" avec les autres pays
« Malheureusement ça sera compliqué puisque une autre partie de la population à peur de prendre son indépendance, comme je l'ai dis dans mon texte, certains pensant qu'on va pas réussir à se construire une bonne économie » Nos mouvements respectifs on le même problème, c’est probablement le cas de tous les indépendantismes des gens qui ont peur que ca détruisent l’économie, malgré que ca ne tiennent presque jamais la route. En tout cas bonne chance pour votre indépendance, votre île mérite d’être reconnu entant que nation plutôt qu’en tant qu’outre mer.
Merci, j'ai vécu au Québec pendant 7 mois et honnêtement c'était une expérience inoubliable, les québécois étaient tellement gentils et ouvert!
Et pour revenir sur l'indépendance, c'est vrai que ça fait peur pour les pays qui veulent l'indépendance mais je me dis que si Singapore, Bahamas, Barbade et bien d'autres pays développés qui ont eu leur indépendance les 100 dernières années ont aujourd'hui réussis à devenir des bonnes nations alors je pense que le Québec et la Martinique ainsi que les autres pays qui veulent l'indépendance peuvent le faire avec une bonne communauté et de bon leaders
Staying with France is such a no-brainer it really blows my mind how people can be this daft. But you chose one of the ugliest designs possible over one of the coolest, so go ahead, you're the bosses.
I mean they can do what other small islands do, become a tax haven, and have lax laws and no prosecution, so companies incorporate there. Or the classic move, flags of convenience for shipping.
I don't understand why people would want the snake flag because it's "cooler", for you Americans: it would be like defending the confederate flag. The snake flag was never even an official flag so the newly adopted flag didn't "replace" the snake flag.
The confederate flag people actually use does look cool. There’s a reason why racists don’t use the stars and bars or bloodstained banner, because they don’t look as good as the one the confederacy never used.
Flag emoji are stored as country codes, so when you choose the snake flag (for example), you're actually picking “the flag for MQ”, not a specific design
Unicode already supports Québec's flag, because it has a way to express arbitrary regions, the validity of which it defers to ISO 3166-2, which specifies `CA-QC`.
Québec's flag then is the sequence `U+2691 (Black Flag) U+e0063 (Tag Latin Small Letter C) U+e0061 (Tag Latin Small Letter A) U+e0071 (Tag Latin Small Letter Q) U+e0063 (Tag Latin Small Letter C) U+e007f (Cancel Tag)`.
It's this: `⚑`.
Whether it displays correctly or not is up to whatever font/software/device/whatever you are using. MS Windows' fonts don't even support country flag codes.
OpenMoji supports it. You can [install it](https://github.com/hfg-gmuend/openmoji/tree/master/font#openmoji-fonts), but it may or may not show on websites if they use custom fonts (they do), so best is to petition vendors to support it.
Because the old one was unique. The new one looks very generic. It is possible to change a flag from its old, troubled past without copy-pasting another flag and just changing the colors. Mississippi got rid of theirs with the confederate flag in it. The new one is very original and draws on things uniquely Mississippi. The new Martinique flag looks like Pan-African Czech Republic.
The confederate flag was also a unique, admittedly dope design. This “Czech” style flag is also used in Sint Maarten 🇸🇽 so it seems like a mesh between an other Caribbean nation and Pan African colors, which makes sense. Point is, the rising Sun, Orange banner Dutch flag and so on are looked down on for their history so so should this one. Respect the people’s decision and stop saying “I respect the pain but .. other one better” please.
If someone showed me the new flag in a vacuum, I'd assume it was some North African or Middle Eastern flag. Would never think it was for a French Caribbean territory.
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In 2018 the president of France had the flag change since people of the islands government thought the flag has the same meaning as the flag used by Germany in WWII. The emoji for Martinique is still the old flag but it's being used by the people of Quebec since there's no Quebec flag emoji. The pan African color flag was adopted in February of 2023. But before that it was being used by the separatist moment of the islands to get independent from France I believe but I could be wrong
As much as I like the appearance of the snakes, full respect to the Martinicans' decision to publicly do away with it over the associated colonial history in favor of Pan-Africanism. (Although, the [Martinican Independence Movement](https://images.app.goo.gl/AWS4Ki9PwykJgPb2A) does have an even cooler flag imo)
The french government was against the new flag because it's seen as separatist by them, the snake flag was never official and is reminiscent of the slave trade
The snake flag was never official. They changed officially it to the uglier one last year around the time the Minnesota flag change was happening. Before this they had no official flag other than that of just regular France.
The emoji is still the snake flag though. 🇲🇶
EDIT: I have Android 12 so it's just outdated. The emoji might show up as the current flag of Martinique on your phone.
>The flag of Martinique consists of a red triangle at the hoist, with two horizontal bands, the upper green and the lower black. It was adopted on 2 February 2023. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Martinique
Thanks man
>But when I searched the flag, I got 2 results. I'm confused. So you searched for the flag, got these images, and rather than reading the top google result, came to ask the same question on the sub?
welcome to reddit
Reddit gives me more info than Google. That's why I asked reddit :/
What do you mean more info? This person literally copied the first sentence from google results. This is literally less info that what you could have gotten in Google itself
Bro just check other comments
Like the other comment you replied which also gave you info from wikipedia which is one of the first links that appear on a google search?
The snake flag was never official, and it's not popular on Martinique because it's connected to slavery or something.
😶
African Czech Republic
It was all a lie. This whole time this was actually Québec's Gadsden flag! "Ne Marche pas sur moi"
Ma'che donc pas su moi ciboire
"Pile pas su'l serpent, sacrement!"
*s'ul sarpent
*sacrament
Now I *need* a Quebecois version of the Gadsden flag with an angry goose that says "Ne marche pas sure moi, tabarnak!"
I'm pretty sure our version of the Gadsden flag is the Patriote flag with the old man of '37 on it. https://preview.redd.it/l8hn6wzhmvvc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf34c4098d170a59c1464912741b5c486a767569
Celine Dion won eurovision 1989 with that song.
Me tread pas D'su !
It was pretty big deal on this sub when it happened, not least because the first chosen flag used ~~stolen artwork~~ a Shutterstock image. *post edited to note correction for misinformation below*
Which one? I haven't seen it yet.
The hummingbird one took an image from Shutterstock to use as its silhouette.
Was it actually stolen? Surely they’d have got the license that allows them to use it as they please
I think you’re right, I am confusing an earlier (likely false) claim about stealing with the controversy over using a Shutterstock image.
I mean; yes they likely did have a license to use it, but you can’t put a shutterstock owned image on a flag. Unless you want to pay royalties to shutterstock everytime you fly it
Lol they got a hummingbird from google and casually put it on there
Oh no there was an other first flag of Martinique before that (it was uglier)
Quebec snek is no more
Its still an emoji 🇲🇶
Uhh your emoji shows the new flag, at least on my screen
https://preview.redd.it/qxne7s6m0wvc1.jpeg?width=599&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2817df12e269c7947ed917a8b53ff91372b6f8b0 Weird, to me it shows snek one. Must be my phone being old
I think your OS is out of date https://preview.redd.it/6e3cuahr0wvc1.jpeg?width=730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a84223d2cd7c78c7793e02472c091d7977f1c10
ya same
martinique 🇲🇶
My phone doesn't have an update but it's still the snek flag :/
The snake flag is a centuries old flag that hasn't had any recent official status, and while the symbol has been used in a few different ways more recently, it's also controversial since it is basically a version of a French imperial symbol dating from the time of slavery (a lot of criticism of it specifically refers to the white cross being used on slave ships). The local view was generally that Martinique didn't have a flag, and early last year, after several attempt to decide on a flag for sporting and cultural occasions, the assembly adopted the red/green/black flag that has been used local independentist groups for some time.
>a lot of criticism of it specifically refers to the white cross being used on slave ships). The white cross on a dark blue background was just the french civil ensign and merchant flag during the 1600s. It was used on ships of all kinds, not just slave ships. It's actually the same symbol that the flag of Quebec is based on.
Well yes, but enslaved people *were* a substantial portion of the cargo being brought on those ships *specifically to Martinique*. Like there's nothing contradictory in saying that in a Quebecois context it doesn't connote slavery whereas in a Martiniquais context it does connote slavery, at least to some degree.
Sure. The existence of slave ships seems to be an important part of why plenty of relevant people aren't too keen on using something based on a French civil ensign from that period, though.
> Which is an odd choice considering support for independence is super low in Martinique. I guess voters tend to support pro-autonomy parties at regional elections, but whenever the issue of more autonomy is put before voters directly they reject it, preferring to keep their continued status of full integration with France.
On the one hand, the process that led to this flag being chosen was long, with all sorts of twists and turns, so I wouldn't say that this nationalist flag was a clear obvious choice... On the other hand, you don't need to support independence in general in order to see a symbol created by independence activists as meaningful/helpful.
But it does have the most independence supporters out of all overseas Departements
You're sure about that ? I mean maybe for the Departments, but for all the Drom-Toms I think New Caledonia has the most indepentists, followed by Polynesia.
Yes, I meant only the Departements. All the other territories have more tendencies towards independence.
Black Czechia isn't real, it can't hurt you Black Czechia:
Don't tread on Martinique.
Technically the "snake flag" was never the official flag of Martinique, Wikipedia states that "Prior to 2023, Martinique did not have its own flag" and the only official flag of Martinique was the French flag (as Martinique is an overseas department of France). However, the snake flag was used commonly as an unofficial flag to represent Martinique, and was also on Martinique's flag emoji. In 2023 the new flag (with the triangle) was adopted as the official flag and is now the official flag of Martinique. [Apple and Samsung](https://emojipedia.org/flag-martinique) have changed their emoji to reflect the new flag but other major platforms have yet to make that change. TL;DR: The flag with the triangle is the current official flag of Martinique; before this, Martinique did not have an official flag other than the flag of France.
Thanks
I loved the silly snake flag :(
Since 2018, they've changed it three times. See [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Martinique?wprov=sfla1) for details
Such a downgrade
Only if the people of Martinique aren't happy with it, which it seems like they are so
Well the snakes are most certainly not happy with the change, we have to think about them as well
The snakes are pro-slavery they don't get an opinion
They are wrong to think so.
The snake flag was used by slave traders. The New one represents the martinican autonomist nativo movement
Bad history yeah, but the new one still sucks
Yea but it's ass looking
Like maybe 1% of the ships using that flag was slave traders (and it is not sure that any slave trader ship had this flag on it)
The snake flag was never really the flag of Martinique in the first place, it was neither official nor widely used by locals, the only reason you think that it was is because someone (probably not very informed on the matter) has decided to use it for the flag emojis
🇲🇶🇲🇶🇲🇶 NOOO
I am Martiniquese (i don't know how americans call us) and we changed it a few years ago but it became fully official like a year ago. The snakes represents slavery in simple terms. Which is why we changed Despite a lot of people who think the new flag is ugly (and yes a lot of people in Martinique also think its ugly) but the meaning behind it is way more important. It was also important for us to change our flag as we want Independence from France, BUT many other martiniqueses wants to stay with France due to the fact they are afraid we won't be able to build a good economy since we are only an island.
À quelle point le mouvement indépendantiste martiniquais est important? Je suis un indépendantiste québécois et on entend jamais parler de votre mouvement indépendantiste alors que vous êtes sur le même continent et qu’on partage une langue commune, ce qui est vraiment dommage.
Je dirais qu'il est très important pour la majorité de la population, de plus on est une île pas trop connue donc les médias ne parlent pas assez de nous mais on essaye d'avoir notre indépendance et ceux dans les mouvements se battent. Malheureusement ça sera compliqué puisque une autre partie de la population à peur de prendre son indépendance, comme je l'ai dis dans mon texte, certains pensant qu'on va pas réussir à se construire une bonne économie car nous somme sur une île, donc c'est plus compliqué de faire du "business" avec les autres pays
« Malheureusement ça sera compliqué puisque une autre partie de la population à peur de prendre son indépendance, comme je l'ai dis dans mon texte, certains pensant qu'on va pas réussir à se construire une bonne économie » Nos mouvements respectifs on le même problème, c’est probablement le cas de tous les indépendantismes des gens qui ont peur que ca détruisent l’économie, malgré que ca ne tiennent presque jamais la route. En tout cas bonne chance pour votre indépendance, votre île mérite d’être reconnu entant que nation plutôt qu’en tant qu’outre mer.
Merci, j'ai vécu au Québec pendant 7 mois et honnêtement c'était une expérience inoubliable, les québécois étaient tellement gentils et ouvert! Et pour revenir sur l'indépendance, c'est vrai que ça fait peur pour les pays qui veulent l'indépendance mais je me dis que si Singapore, Bahamas, Barbade et bien d'autres pays développés qui ont eu leur indépendance les 100 dernières années ont aujourd'hui réussis à devenir des bonnes nations alors je pense que le Québec et la Martinique ainsi que les autres pays qui veulent l'indépendance peuvent le faire avec une bonne communauté et de bon leaders
Staying with France is such a no-brainer it really blows my mind how people can be this daft. But you chose one of the ugliest designs possible over one of the coolest, so go ahead, you're the bosses.
I mean they can do what other small islands do, become a tax haven, and have lax laws and no prosecution, so companies incorporate there. Or the classic move, flags of convenience for shipping.
The old (unofficial) snake flag was better, the new one looks like the flag of some African guerilla organization.
Pan-African Czech alliance 🤝
Is that really the new one? It's hideous! 🤮
I don't understand why people would want the snake flag because it's "cooler", for you Americans: it would be like defending the confederate flag. The snake flag was never even an official flag so the newly adopted flag didn't "replace" the snake flag.
The confederate flag people actually use does look cool. There’s a reason why racists don’t use the stars and bars or bloodstained banner, because they don’t look as good as the one the confederacy never used.
because there's no Québec flag emoji so I used it instead. wtf am I supposed to do now?
Also all your former Quebec emoji attempts will now look wrong. It's pretty strange that emojis can retroactively change what somebody typed.
Flag emoji are stored as country codes, so when you choose the snake flag (for example), you're actually picking “the flag for MQ”, not a specific design
Unicode already supports Québec's flag, because it has a way to express arbitrary regions, the validity of which it defers to ISO 3166-2, which specifies `CA-QC`. Québec's flag then is the sequence `U+2691 (Black Flag) U+e0063 (Tag Latin Small Letter C) U+e0061 (Tag Latin Small Letter A) U+e0071 (Tag Latin Small Letter Q) U+e0063 (Tag Latin Small Letter C) U+e007f (Cancel Tag)`. It's this: `⚑`. Whether it displays correctly or not is up to whatever font/software/device/whatever you are using. MS Windows' fonts don't even support country flag codes. OpenMoji supports it. You can [install it](https://github.com/hfg-gmuend/openmoji/tree/master/font#openmoji-fonts), but it may or may not show on websites if they use custom fonts (they do), so best is to petition vendors to support it.
Because the old one was unique. The new one looks very generic. It is possible to change a flag from its old, troubled past without copy-pasting another flag and just changing the colors. Mississippi got rid of theirs with the confederate flag in it. The new one is very original and draws on things uniquely Mississippi. The new Martinique flag looks like Pan-African Czech Republic.
The confederate flag was also a unique, admittedly dope design. This “Czech” style flag is also used in Sint Maarten 🇸🇽 so it seems like a mesh between an other Caribbean nation and Pan African colors, which makes sense. Point is, the rising Sun, Orange banner Dutch flag and so on are looked down on for their history so so should this one. Respect the people’s decision and stop saying “I respect the pain but .. other one better” please.
Vexillology is about aesthetics. You can absolutely say that.
Slightly less cool Pan-African flag > Dope looking Slaver flag any day Symbolism matters
If someone showed me the new flag in a vacuum, I'd assume it was some North African or Middle Eastern flag. Would never think it was for a French Caribbean territory.
It’s the colours of pan Africanism
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Biggest downgrade in history
In 2018 the president of France had the flag change since people of the islands government thought the flag has the same meaning as the flag used by Germany in WWII. The emoji for Martinique is still the old flag but it's being used by the people of Quebec since there's no Quebec flag emoji. The pan African color flag was adopted in February of 2023. But before that it was being used by the separatist moment of the islands to get independent from France I believe but I could be wrong
changed? More like ruined. Justice for the snakes
The new looks like they should be in the Midle East
If it’s true it’s a big downgrade
Love the new flag’s colors. Although I wished they were incorporated in a more creative way. Oh well. Anyway. Viv Matinik 🇲🇶
ABH AMH
Probably so people will stop confusing their flag for Quebec’s flag.
It was in February, I think.
Honestly, fuck that place. Saw at least a dozen dead dogs in 4 days.
🇲🇶 it’s an emoji now
🇲🇶
From Libertarian Quebec to Afro-Czechia.
The change a direct attack on us proud Quebecois who use it due to the lack of a Quebec flag on the emoji list 🇲🇶🇲🇶
when quebec annexed them (sarcasm)
Lmao there was so many quebecois using this in their instagram bio— I guess they all moved to the french antilles
I only realized this today when I tried to use the emoji and saw new flag and thought I was being gaslit for a second or I typed in the wrong
As much as I like the appearance of the snakes, full respect to the Martinicans' decision to publicly do away with it over the associated colonial history in favor of Pan-Africanism. (Although, the [Martinican Independence Movement](https://images.app.goo.gl/AWS4Ki9PwykJgPb2A) does have an even cooler flag imo)
Uh.... EWWWWWWWWWWW
Reminds me of all the arab countries flags tbh
Common French L
The french government was against the new flag because it's seen as separatist by them, the snake flag was never official and is reminiscent of the slave trade
I ain't reading all that 🥱🥱
this was a native decision, not a French one
They live in a French territory, they're French. 🥱
They don't want to be French, hence the new flag
Well they are still French. Common French L.
The snake flag was never official. They changed officially it to the uglier one last year around the time the Minnesota flag change was happening. Before this they had no official flag other than that of just regular France. The emoji is still the snake flag though. 🇲🇶 EDIT: I have Android 12 so it's just outdated. The emoji might show up as the current flag of Martinique on your phone.
oh huh it has changed to the new one on my samsung phone
Same
The Snake Quebéc is still a symbolic flag of Martinique at least?
It never really was, it's seen as a symbol of slavery