Yes. Originally the flag of the [Ukrainian insurgent Army](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army). Also used by [Right Sector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector) and other nationalist groups today. The red and black stand for [blood and soil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil).
Notice how I didn’t say *exclusively*. They’re nearly universal among that subset of flags and thus many people group those two colors with leftist movements. Sure other flags have red and black and that doesn’t automatically make them leftist but it’s not weird to assume they’re leftist if it’s specifically half red and half black. Also “it’s not that deep” is a bizarre comment when color is arguably the most symbolic component of flag design and we’re in a *vexillology* subreddit.
I already said what the colors represent – blood (red) and soil (black). Red symbolizing blood is extremely common and well predates the inception the red banner as a symbol of socialism. Nutrient-rich soil has been described as black for millennia, and the association of anarchism with the color black comes from a very different symbolic origin (negation of the nation by way of negation of national flags). The genealogies of the anarcho-communist and UPA flags are basically completely unrelated.
The makers of the UPA flag would almost certainly not have even considered the similarity of their flag to one that at the time was best-known for its use by a minority faction in the Spanish Civil War – a flag they might not have ever seen. The CNT-FAI flag (or its Spanish predecessors) is most likely the origin of the red-black diagonal bicolor flag as a symbol of anarchism. Anarchists up to that point commonly used both red and black flags, but I'm not aware of any other red-black bicolor used by anarchists outside of Spain before the Spanish Civil War. Anarchists in Ukraine specifically seem to have used black banners with white symbols/writing rather than black-red bicolors, so there would likely be no particular association with anarchism in Ukraine.
The UPA would have been much more likely to compare their flag to the various flags of [Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskriegsflagge#/media/File:War_Ensign_of_Germany_(1938%E2%80%931945).svg), since the army was formed by the OUN to collaborate with the Nazi invasion and ultimately establish an independent, fascist Ukrainian state (though the Nazis didn't intend to allow them to do this lol). They may have also considered the flags of [Albania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Albania#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Albanian_Republic_(1925%E2%80%931928).svg) or maybe even the [National Socialist Movement in the Netherlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_in_the_Netherlands#/media/File:Flag_of_National_Socialist_Movement.svg). But they wouldn't have thought about anarchism.
So I stand by my comment that it's really not that deep.
I think you're missing another deep connection, that red and black are almost universally seen among Martian flags /s
There are relatively few color combinations and a lot of flags in the world, it's inevitable that multiple unrelated concepts will share color schemes. One movement might exclusively use a color scheme, but that doesn't mean all uses are exclusively about that movement, it's a squares and rectangles thing
I would like to emphasize that the red color does not mean the blood of enemies, but of rebels who gave their lives for the independence of the country (nation). Also black color, if I remember correctly, means chernozem (or black soil, you can find definition in Wikipedia or else sources).
You can find a lot of information on that topic on youtube or other sources
Interesting fact. If you soak the Ukrainian blue-yellow flag in blood (or other red liquid), you will get a red-black flag, which can have other meanings (hint. The Ukrainian people, for their fertile lands and hardworking people, were mostly considered farmers, as my teachers in school said)
P.S. please forgive my poor English, I still learning
Your English is very far from “poor”, be kinder to yourself.
There are fewer errors than you think here, and none of them matter for comprehension in real life.
Its the flag of the UPA, a far-right nationalistic Ukrainian group during WW2 who both fought with and against the Nazis. They also commit genocides on Polish people like Wołyn.
You can have your opinions, but I don't see what that has to do with the original discussion about Polish right wingers and Ukrainian Banderites. They don't like each other, whether or not you think they are logical.
There are loads of intelligent people on the extreme left. “The Marxist Academic” has been a stereotype for well over a century. Hell, one of the most sound criticisms thrown at the Western left is that so many of its most capable adherents isolate themselves in their ivory tower and refuse to interface with the proletariat they claim to support.
Refuse to interface
I see these academics all the time at food banks, charities, and these communities when they conduct their research. A lot of them are from those working class communities.
You know for us it is like hanging the flag of the Third Reich next to the flag of Israel. Ukrainians should not hang this flag, because it is simply damn inappropriate, especially since Poles really help Ukrainians a lot
The flag itself is more to piss off all political options, because it has both communist and nationalist motives. Anyway, I designed it myself and it is a bit like with people who give Stalin for a profile picture. The UPA flag, on the other hand, is the real flag, and the UPA was a fucked-up organization whose goal was a racially pure Ukraine, and it did it by mass murdering Poles. You have to admit that this is not correct after all
Flying it next to the flag of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which committed genocide against poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, has to be the most ironic thing I’ve seen in a while.
It's not even the most ironic thing about this war. Remember, Ukraine's Jewish president accepted literal Nazis as an official battalion of the army and gave them weapons, and those same literal Nazis sung his praises. Of course, they were also sent to the most dangerous front lines and most of them are dead now, but still, Russia's douchebaggery has made for the strangest of bedfellows.
If you mean Azov then your info is very outdated. The whole thing was pretty much swallowed up by the armed forces and purged years before the war began.
Yes this is the flag of a group founded by neo-Nazis that started a genocide against Poles, Russians, and Jews. The fact it is right next to a Polish flag is pretty awful.
It's a historic flag used by Ukrainians from the 1600's. It was next recorded as used by a Ukrainian division fighting for the Austro-Hungarian army in 1916-1917. Then it was used by Ukrainians in the Poland-Ukraine War from 1918-1919. It was next used by Ukrainian partisans in Poland in the 1920's and 1930's. When the Germans invaded Poland in 1939 some of those partisans joined the Wehrmacht and carried out atrocities against the Poles and Jews and non-supportive Ukrainians. When USSR was invaded by Germany in 1941 and it became clear that they would not free Ukraine, some of the Ukrainians fighting for Germany deserted and formed new partisan units to fight against them and the Soviets, but they continued to use the red and black flag.
Today it is similar to the confederate flag in the US. Some people fly it to show they are rebels and they identify with rebels, and like the confederate flag some people fly it to show their support for white supremacists.
it has nothing similar to the confederate flag lmao, it is used by nationalists but nationalism isn't white supremacism, and "rebels" only as rebels against the occupiers while the confederates fought against other Americans not against another nation
The flag is older than that and was used in Ukraine well before the 1940s. What people here are doing is the equivalent of seeing the hammer and sickle flag and claiming it represents Stalin's purges and genocides. It did represent it for some time, but everyone here can understand that it doesn't only represent that.
It’s a flag. What do you wanna know? Black symbolizes Ukrainian soil, red — blood shed by Ukrainians who defended it. It was first used by Ukrainian Insurgent Army was a Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary and later partisan formation. During World War II, it was engaged in guerrilla warfare against the Soviet Union, the Polish Underground State, Communist Poland and Nazi Germany.
The funny thing is that these colors were used by Ukrainians for centuries before nazism even became a thing. We Ukrainians are very proud of our history, and we value our symbols, including our coat of arms, which has been around for more than 1000 years (you can look up its history, it's very exciting!)
EDIT: "Blood" and "soil" have always been very popular symbols in our folklore due to our unfortunate fate. Consider "Zapovit" (1845) by Taras Shevchenko.
I get that it is a sore spot and that the nazi narrative concerning Ukraine is something you understandably want to speak up against. In most cases, you are absolutely right to do so, because Russian propaganda absolutely does unjustly paint a lot of Ukrainian things as fascist by default. That said: the UPA were *absolutely without a single doubt fascist* and you've gotten a ton of replies saying why. Acknowledging that they were fascists and that using this flag very much does symbolize Ukrainian fascism is not going to make Russia suddenly correct in their assessment that all of Ukraine is nothing but fascism.
It's more complicated than that. The Ukrainian insurgent army did fight alongside the Nazis at one point, but also fought against them. While it's true that they did commit war crimes they were mainly an Anti-Soviet group.
Context is important here, the Soviets forcibly conquered Ukraine and then deliberately starved millions of Ukrainians to death. Then along come the Germans, driving the Soviets away after two decades of brutal oppression. Everyone is happy at first, until they realize that the Germans were just as bad.
Can anyone explain this while "Banderites fought against the Nazis" thing to me? How often did that all happen?
(Not a troll question, I am genuinely curious and that is not to meant to justify the bloody Putin regime, which, mind you, *also* glorifies and draws inspiration from the philosophy of fascists and Nazi collabs).
Fascist infighting is actually not that uncommon, especially when two different ethnic groups disagree over who is the master race... Banderites thought Ukrainians were the master race and Nazis thought Aryans were the master race. At one point they started fighting over it.
From what I know, I can say that when UPA realised, that nazis doesn't mean independece, they started fought against nazis too.
Reminder I don't glorify them...they were brutal. I think that we all know Wolyn massacre.
Basically after Germany attacked the USSR and occupied Ukraine, the OUN decleared allegiance to Hitler, but since nazis couldn’t tolerate a single ounce of nationalism, they imprisoned or killed many of the leading figures. After that the OUN started fighting against the occuping germans, because they realized that the nazis were as bad if not worse than the soviets.
Probably someone who is supportive of all the support Poland is giving Ukraine. Ironic he is next to the guy waving the flag of group that started a genocide against Poles.
Blue over gold - I value free blue skies over tangible golden goods
Red over black - I’ll kill you and everyone else around you including myself if you try to tell me what to do
White over red - I hate Russia and that's half of my personality. The other half is nostalgia for times when we were the ones fucking over Russia and not the opposite.
While it is the Ukrainian Fascist flag, I think people fly it because they think "it's another form of the Ukrainian flag" and doesn't know the history behind it. Other are just straight up Neo-Nazis and fly this flag because it's a Nazi flag
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I’m tired of billion post of this same flag (karmafarming)
And I’m tired of explaining flag meaning to those who don’t want to listen
It just easier for me as a Ukrainian to just simply accept “ukrain bad”
Most people on here are just saying that this flag has a really bad past due to being used by ultra-nationalust/nazi group(s). Nobody's saying Ukraine's bad as a whole.
After the 1950 it is more of an flag that has been used by Ukrainians as an non political flag for the actions groups for a free democratic Ukraine.
See wiki for the historical use before 1949 below
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian\_Insurgent\_Army](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_resistance_during_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine)
I see a lot of downvotes. It is a fact that it represents a fascist movement. Do y’all think that folks are not giving it a pass for the expedience of ukraine’s survival? Lemme know what you think.
Are we just going to have one of these posted every weekend? I'm finding it bizarre that this sub is a nexus of very concerned ethnic Polish people who are very concerned and people who are really enthusiastic about telling us about Ukrainian Nazis and how bad this looks for Ukraine because of Ukrainian nazis.
It's derived from the fact that when blood is applied to the Ukrainian flag, it turns red and black. It's supposed to symbolize the people who fought for Ukraine's Independence who's blood were spilled.
Yes. Originally the flag of the [Ukrainian insurgent Army](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army). Also used by [Right Sector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector) and other nationalist groups today. The red and black stand for [blood and soil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil).
I find it super weird since it’s so similar to the Ancom flag
Different origins. It's just two pretty common colors. Not that deep.
It’s pretty deep considering the fact that red and black are almost universally seen among libertarian leftist flags.
Universally libertarian leftist flags except for the obvious exception in the post and ya know, the freaking Nazi flag 💀
Notice how I didn’t say *exclusively*. They’re nearly universal among that subset of flags and thus many people group those two colors with leftist movements. Sure other flags have red and black and that doesn’t automatically make them leftist but it’s not weird to assume they’re leftist if it’s specifically half red and half black. Also “it’s not that deep” is a bizarre comment when color is arguably the most symbolic component of flag design and we’re in a *vexillology* subreddit.
I already said what the colors represent – blood (red) and soil (black). Red symbolizing blood is extremely common and well predates the inception the red banner as a symbol of socialism. Nutrient-rich soil has been described as black for millennia, and the association of anarchism with the color black comes from a very different symbolic origin (negation of the nation by way of negation of national flags). The genealogies of the anarcho-communist and UPA flags are basically completely unrelated. The makers of the UPA flag would almost certainly not have even considered the similarity of their flag to one that at the time was best-known for its use by a minority faction in the Spanish Civil War – a flag they might not have ever seen. The CNT-FAI flag (or its Spanish predecessors) is most likely the origin of the red-black diagonal bicolor flag as a symbol of anarchism. Anarchists up to that point commonly used both red and black flags, but I'm not aware of any other red-black bicolor used by anarchists outside of Spain before the Spanish Civil War. Anarchists in Ukraine specifically seem to have used black banners with white symbols/writing rather than black-red bicolors, so there would likely be no particular association with anarchism in Ukraine. The UPA would have been much more likely to compare their flag to the various flags of [Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskriegsflagge#/media/File:War_Ensign_of_Germany_(1938%E2%80%931945).svg), since the army was formed by the OUN to collaborate with the Nazi invasion and ultimately establish an independent, fascist Ukrainian state (though the Nazis didn't intend to allow them to do this lol). They may have also considered the flags of [Albania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Albania#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Albanian_Republic_(1925%E2%80%931928).svg) or maybe even the [National Socialist Movement in the Netherlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_in_the_Netherlands#/media/File:Flag_of_National_Socialist_Movement.svg). But they wouldn't have thought about anarchism. So I stand by my comment that it's really not that deep.
I think you're missing another deep connection, that red and black are almost universally seen among Martian flags /s There are relatively few color combinations and a lot of flags in the world, it's inevitable that multiple unrelated concepts will share color schemes. One movement might exclusively use a color scheme, but that doesn't mean all uses are exclusively about that movement, it's a squares and rectangles thing
yeah right??? Theyre like polar opposites
yes well shapes are hard to understand, rectangles vs triangles
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this! Until, maybe, 6 months ago I assumed these were anarcho-communists.
Pretty much unsettles me because the group committed...let's just say terrible acts against ethnic minorities in Ukraine
I would like to emphasize that the red color does not mean the blood of enemies, but of rebels who gave their lives for the independence of the country (nation). Also black color, if I remember correctly, means chernozem (or black soil, you can find definition in Wikipedia or else sources). You can find a lot of information on that topic on youtube or other sources Interesting fact. If you soak the Ukrainian blue-yellow flag in blood (or other red liquid), you will get a red-black flag, which can have other meanings (hint. The Ukrainian people, for their fertile lands and hardworking people, were mostly considered farmers, as my teachers in school said) P.S. please forgive my poor English, I still learning
Your English is very far from “poor”, be kinder to yourself. There are fewer errors than you think here, and none of them matter for comprehension in real life.
You wrote this like a native speaker. Good work!
Red! The blood of angry men Black! The night that ends at last ~Les Miserables
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You should check your double negative, “doesn’t mean…isn’t inherently”=does mean it is inherent
Blood and soil = nazi
Its the flag of the UPA, a far-right nationalistic Ukrainian group during WW2 who both fought with and against the Nazis. They also commit genocides on Polish people like Wołyn.
The irony of it flying right next to a Polish flag.
The extreme right isn’t exactly known for its intelligence
Or tact
Except it's two different people flying these flags who just happen to be near each other
I think my point still stands 🤷♂️
Yeah and knowing the attitudes of right wing poles, they probably agree with eachother without seeing any irony
Right wingers in Poland are very anti-Bandera
Right wingers in Poland are also very anti-logical-thought
Right wingers [...] are [...] anti-logical.
You can have your opinions, but I don't see what that has to do with the original discussion about Polish right wingers and Ukrainian Banderites. They don't like each other, whether or not you think they are logical.
What are you getting so pressed over a ribbing for
I don't understand. You were just making incorrect statements, so I corrected it. Why is that upsetting to you?
None of extremes are known for their intelligence and contribution in humanity prosperity
So is the extreme left
Yes. The horseshoe theory makes my mind hurt sometimes
There are loads of intelligent people on the extreme left. “The Marxist Academic” has been a stereotype for well over a century. Hell, one of the most sound criticisms thrown at the Western left is that so many of its most capable adherents isolate themselves in their ivory tower and refuse to interface with the proletariat they claim to support.
Refuse to interface I see these academics all the time at food banks, charities, and these communities when they conduct their research. A lot of them are from those working class communities.
I mean so does the extreme left Extremists are dumb
r/enlightenedcentrism
who is your favourite far leftist ? mine is [pol pot ](https://static.dw.com/image/15612690_605.jpg)
You mean the Pol Pot that was supported by the CIA and admitted that he didn’t understand Marx?
nice line ill use the same one when people start criticizing pinochet for being far right :)
hITler DIdNT uNDErSTanD FaSCISM
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Say what now?
Neither is the extreme left
nowadays it is just broadly used as a more nationalist Ukrainian flag, with no prejudice against Poles
It's ok, I have a Polish friend.
The people who fly this flag see Poland as a close ally though. There’s no hate for Poland from Ukraine.
You know for us it is like hanging the flag of the Third Reich next to the flag of Israel. Ukrainians should not hang this flag, because it is simply damn inappropriate, especially since Poles really help Ukrainians a lot
Says the person with a hammer and sickle in their profile picture. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
The flag itself is more to piss off all political options, because it has both communist and nationalist motives. Anyway, I designed it myself and it is a bit like with people who give Stalin for a profile picture. The UPA flag, on the other hand, is the real flag, and the UPA was a fucked-up organization whose goal was a racially pure Ukraine, and it did it by mass murdering Poles. You have to admit that this is not correct after all
I'm assuming your polish but having a commie pfp is just as bad for Ukrainians and poles
I've heard about that, wasn't Stepan Bandera one of its founders?
yes he was
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Seeing your flare in this thread made me do a double take lol
wdym? the Makhnovtchina wasn't exactly the UPA...
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Kinda funny because UPA is a coalition of progressive parties in my country, India. UPA: United Progressive Alliance.
life is always ironic
And polish committed genocides on Ukrainians. Upa was in defense of Ukraine against all its repressors.
oh right, like you should commit a genocide in retaliation of a genocide. Brilliant opinion, I'm sure the 100k dead Poles in Wolyn agree with you
"Instead of targeting Polish army we will target civilians who had nothing to do with the army" Brilliant.
A better question: why is there a polish flag?
To show support from Polish people would be my guess
Flying it next to the flag of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which committed genocide against poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, has to be the most ironic thing I’ve seen in a while.
It's not even the most ironic thing about this war. Remember, Ukraine's Jewish president accepted literal Nazis as an official battalion of the army and gave them weapons, and those same literal Nazis sung his praises. Of course, they were also sent to the most dangerous front lines and most of them are dead now, but still, Russia's douchebaggery has made for the strangest of bedfellows.
If you mean Azov then your info is very outdated. The whole thing was pretty much swallowed up by the armed forces and purged years before the war began.
Yes, Azov. There were still Nazis when the war started, but they've pretty much all been killed and the battalion absorbed into the rest of the army.
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Poland has accepted over 7,5 million Ukrainian refugees
Exactly. Why is there a Polish flag waving beside a Bandera flag? I can understand Poles supporting Ukraine, but not walking beside a Bandera.
It's in Paris
It looks like two different people
An even better question why isn’t there polish flags everywhere
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UPA and Polish flags right next to each other, oh the irony
While in this situation it is most likely related to Ukraine, the flag of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation is the same.
No, that's the flag of Poland
Ironic...
Yes this is the flag of a group founded by neo-Nazis that started a genocide against Poles, Russians, and Jews. The fact it is right next to a Polish flag is pretty awful.
It wasn't founded by neo-nazis. It was founded by nazis
Why are they flying it next to Polish flag as a Pole I am so fucking confused rn
It's a historic flag used by Ukrainians from the 1600's. It was next recorded as used by a Ukrainian division fighting for the Austro-Hungarian army in 1916-1917. Then it was used by Ukrainians in the Poland-Ukraine War from 1918-1919. It was next used by Ukrainian partisans in Poland in the 1920's and 1930's. When the Germans invaded Poland in 1939 some of those partisans joined the Wehrmacht and carried out atrocities against the Poles and Jews and non-supportive Ukrainians. When USSR was invaded by Germany in 1941 and it became clear that they would not free Ukraine, some of the Ukrainians fighting for Germany deserted and formed new partisan units to fight against them and the Soviets, but they continued to use the red and black flag. Today it is similar to the confederate flag in the US. Some people fly it to show they are rebels and they identify with rebels, and like the confederate flag some people fly it to show their support for white supremacists.
Operation Barbarossa was an invasion of the Soviet Union, not Russia.
Excellent point. I will fix.
Then change it
Thank you for a nuanced answer involving the full scope of history and not one that just says “iT’s a fAsCiSt fLaG!!”
that would be the correct appraisal though. I thought nuance meant explaining in depth and with complexity, not simple deflection.
it has nothing similar to the confederate flag lmao, it is used by nationalists but nationalism isn't white supremacism, and "rebels" only as rebels against the occupiers while the confederates fought against other Americans not against another nation
It's similar in that when other people see it they immediately think "Oh man, that must be a racist."
This is ukranian fascists' flag from 1940-1950s. Now it is used by pro-fascist organisations in Ukraine.
This is not exactly true and therefore misleading
You keep commenting this on every comment, what IS “exactly true” then?
The flag is older than that and was used in Ukraine well before the 1940s. What people here are doing is the equivalent of seeing the hammer and sickle flag and claiming it represents Stalin's purges and genocides. It did represent it for some time, but everyone here can understand that it doesn't only represent that.
It’s not fascist.
Okay then what is it?
It’s a flag. What do you wanna know? Black symbolizes Ukrainian soil, red — blood shed by Ukrainians who defended it. It was first used by Ukrainian Insurgent Army was a Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary and later partisan formation. During World War II, it was engaged in guerrilla warfare against the Soviet Union, the Polish Underground State, Communist Poland and Nazi Germany.
Blood and Soil? That is one of the most infamous fascist slogans, you know that right?
The funny thing is that these colors were used by Ukrainians for centuries before nazism even became a thing. We Ukrainians are very proud of our history, and we value our symbols, including our coat of arms, which has been around for more than 1000 years (you can look up its history, it's very exciting!) EDIT: "Blood" and "soil" have always been very popular symbols in our folklore due to our unfortunate fate. Consider "Zapovit" (1845) by Taras Shevchenko.
"The polish underground state" - surely thats what happened at Wolyn, right?
I get that it is a sore spot and that the nazi narrative concerning Ukraine is something you understandably want to speak up against. In most cases, you are absolutely right to do so, because Russian propaganda absolutely does unjustly paint a lot of Ukrainian things as fascist by default. That said: the UPA were *absolutely without a single doubt fascist* and you've gotten a ton of replies saying why. Acknowledging that they were fascists and that using this flag very much does symbolize Ukrainian fascism is not going to make Russia suddenly correct in their assessment that all of Ukraine is nothing but fascism.
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That’s a Russian propaganda narrative — “everything Ukrainian is fascist”. What do you want me to elaborate?
It's more complicated than that. The Ukrainian insurgent army did fight alongside the Nazis at one point, but also fought against them. While it's true that they did commit war crimes they were mainly an Anti-Soviet group. Context is important here, the Soviets forcibly conquered Ukraine and then deliberately starved millions of Ukrainians to death. Then along come the Germans, driving the Soviets away after two decades of brutal oppression. Everyone is happy at first, until they realize that the Germans were just as bad.
Yes plus it was used a pro nazi group too 1940s
They fought against nazis too, in years 1941-1944.
Can anyone explain this while "Banderites fought against the Nazis" thing to me? How often did that all happen? (Not a troll question, I am genuinely curious and that is not to meant to justify the bloody Putin regime, which, mind you, *also* glorifies and draws inspiration from the philosophy of fascists and Nazi collabs).
Fascist infighting is actually not that uncommon, especially when two different ethnic groups disagree over who is the master race... Banderites thought Ukrainians were the master race and Nazis thought Aryans were the master race. At one point they started fighting over it.
From what I know, I can say that when UPA realised, that nazis doesn't mean independece, they started fought against nazis too. Reminder I don't glorify them...they were brutal. I think that we all know Wolyn massacre.
Basically after Germany attacked the USSR and occupied Ukraine, the OUN decleared allegiance to Hitler, but since nazis couldn’t tolerate a single ounce of nationalism, they imprisoned or killed many of the leading figures. After that the OUN started fighting against the occuping germans, because they realized that the nazis were as bad if not worse than the soviets.
Yup
Fuck Bandera!
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I'm not tankie
Hating Nazis is when you're a tankie. Great logic.
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If someone says fuck one of the most prominent nazis ever and you retort with dissent, you are at least a nazi sympathizer.
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Humor me, what's so great about him that you need to come defend him in the comments
Liberals learning the word “tankie” was the worst thing to happen to Reddit
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Sorry, *fascist
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Nah, this is clearly Poland's evil alter ego.
ROFL!!
it hurts my eyes to see the polish flag and the UPA flag
Why is there a random Polish flag here?
Probably someone who is supportive of all the support Poland is giving Ukraine. Ironic he is next to the guy waving the flag of group that started a genocide against Poles.
Literally a fascist flag
If they would try to do it in my country, Poland they would end up in hospital lol
No that’s Poland🇵🇱
No that’s the polish flag :)
Not just right wing. It's a FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI FUNNI GAMER CHUNGUS SCHIZO flag.
Blue over gold - I value free blue skies over tangible golden goods Red over black - I’ll kill you and everyone else around you including myself if you try to tell me what to do
White over red - I hate Russia and that's half of my personality. The other half is nostalgia for times when we were the ones fucking over Russia and not the opposite.
While it is the Ukrainian Fascist flag, I think people fly it because they think "it's another form of the Ukrainian flag" and doesn't know the history behind it. Other are just straight up Neo-Nazis and fly this flag because it's a Nazi flag
No one accidentally flies a fascist flag... If you managed to acquire a flag, you most likely know what it is.
Mods, I swear for the love of God just lock this thread. I honestly are tired from all this bullshit drama
No, I don't see a right wing on the flag. In fact no wings are present.
least right wing ukraine protest
Its literally a single flag💀
The problem isn't that one single flag. The problem is that no one is kicking that person out of the protest.
Its the right wingers who support their country and fight for it when its invaded? No way
huh
Nazi flag (Ukrainian Insurgent Army)
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Nationalist ukraine
Yes this is very bad so bad ukrainianians they are very right very bad I’m so tired of this…
Criticizng far-right fascists from Ukraine isn't painting all Ukrainians as bad. Not everything is Russian propaganda
Yep not everything is russian propaganda. Yet the ones who fought against both nazis and communists seems to you as fascists
.....what?
I’m tired of billion post of this same flag (karmafarming) And I’m tired of explaining flag meaning to those who don’t want to listen It just easier for me as a Ukrainian to just simply accept “ukrain bad”
Most people on here are just saying that this flag has a really bad past due to being used by ultra-nationalust/nazi group(s). Nobody's saying Ukraine's bad as a whole.
This flag was used by organization that fought against both nazis and commies, with indeed controversial parts
After the 1950 it is more of an flag that has been used by Ukrainians as an non political flag for the actions groups for a free democratic Ukraine. See wiki for the historical use before 1949 below [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian\_Insurgent\_Army](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_resistance_during_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine)
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Its a fascist flag but we seem to be giving it a pass these days while ukraine goes all out to stop russia killin ukrainian kids. Edited for typo
I see a lot of downvotes. It is a fact that it represents a fascist movement. Do y’all think that folks are not giving it a pass for the expedience of ukraine’s survival? Lemme know what you think.
All people who consumed dihydrogen monoxide could die in the next 24 hours
It isn’t a fact, I am sorry to disappoint you
Wait, maybe the downvotes are because i called out russians killing kids. Is that it? I personally think it is abad thing to kill kids.
If you don’t like the flag, go fight for Russia and you can try to eliminate the people flying it proudly.
I don’t understand. Is this reply meant for a different comment?
Are we just going to have one of these posted every weekend? I'm finding it bizarre that this sub is a nexus of very concerned ethnic Polish people who are very concerned and people who are really enthusiastic about telling us about Ukrainian Nazis and how bad this looks for Ukraine because of Ukrainian nazis.
It's derived from the fact that when blood is applied to the Ukrainian flag, it turns red and black. It's supposed to symbolize the people who fought for Ukraine's Independence who's blood were spilled.
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every ukraine flag is right wing