Specifically the cold war era state that was supported by the US against the Marxist-Lenininst north, before losing the war to them. The reason why it is probably used here is because the Vietnamese diaspora in the west generally dislike the current government and its symbols, and have often called to be represented by this flag instead.
Many Vietnamese are are the descendants of “the boat people.” Google that to understand an inkling of why the Vietnamese flag is so controversial in the Vietnamese diaspora.
That's what my comment is about. North Vietnam is a socialist dictatorship and south vietnam was a military dictatorship for large parts of it's history. I was trying to say that using south Vietnamnese instead of north Vietnamnese symobls really doesn't make a difference because both are/were oppressive authoritarian dictatorships with the only main difference being their economic ideology and who supported them.
The reason though, that many Vietnamese Americans use the South Vietnam flag is because most are political exiles who fled the Communist victory in the 70s
The boat people crisis started a couple years after the Communist victory. It seems people weren’t fleeing the victory, they are fleeing the way the new government was acting.
fax, the proxy wars of the cold war wasn't about democracy vs capitalism it was about dictator that wanted to be rich vs dictator that also wanted to be rich but pretended he believed in workers power
It doesn't have the best track record when it comes to human rights, but that's not as relevant to why the flag of South Vietnam is used as the fact that much of the Vietnamese diaspora in the west is descended from South Vietnamese citizens who fled after the North's victory.
Well, it's a dictatorship for a start. And in general being a fan of Marxist-Leninist states is not exactly popular in the west, especially since many Vietnamese in the US arrived to the country fleeing that exact government.
Unfortunately there’s people out there that throw all nuance out and claim North Vietnam was a benevolent state. Both north and south were shitty and propped up by international powers, but the north was able to organize itself better in the long run while the south kept couping itself.
A lot of the Vietnamese diaspora in the USA have family who were beaten, unjustly imprisoned, etc. by the current government in power back in the day, and that's why they left Vietnam.
A lot of the Vietnamese in Vietnam have family who were beaten, unjustly imprisoned, etc. by the American-backed government in power back in the day, and that's why they stayed to fight for Vietnam.
Do you think the younger Cuban diaspora is drifting away from Cuban culture? In my experience Cuban-Americans under 30 or so are markedly less "anti-communist" and much less religious than their parents and grandparents.
In general younger Cuban-Americans have always struck me as more willing to travel back to Cuba and reconnect with cousins and stuff, whereas their parents and grandparents refuse to even recognize the nation on principal.
To a point, yes, but Cuban-Americans' support for the GOP and the embargo has grown in the Trump era (though this is usually notably only polled in Florida: from what I remember, though I can't find the stats on it currently, NY/NJ Cubans vote Democratic, which means the diaspora isn't as uniform as believed). This is starting [to change](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/cuban-americans-disapprove-biden-issues-new-arrivals-poll-finds-rcna53829) but polling is still somewhat mixed.
On the other hand, Vietnamese-Americans, despite voting GOP (though this may be more true in enclaves), are often comfortable with [going back to the homeland](https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Young-Vietnamese-Americans-returning-to-a-new-land-of-opportunity) and even the older generation [are happier to support the home country.](https://www.cntraveler.com/story/why-im-moving-to-the-country-my-parents-fled-decades-ago) Vietnam-US relations have also become [very friendly](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/09/united-states-vietnam-relations-quiet-victory-trade-war-legacies/) to the point that the two are nearly allies, though not quite to the level of Japan or Europe.
Years ago I used to work at a place that had half of a floor for their offices. The remaining offices were rented out by people who worked alone or in small groups of two or three. One of the guys who worked there was a Chinese guy, who lived in Malaysia, but before that when he was younger he moved to Vietnam with his family.
The absolute horror stories about the Vietnam war from when he was a kid would shock and disturb you. He tried to escape on a boat and a day into their trip the boat broke down and drifted back to shore and him and about 100 people were captured by the North Vietnamese. They put them into these cage that were only 4' tall with wet dirt floors and like 30 people in these cages that were about the size of an SUV in floor space. So everyone was crammed in there like sardines.
They starved them with only a handful of food a day, so they ate whatever they could. Rats, worms, bugs, snakes, random plants etc.
Well one guy was starving and he found a lighter and a metal bowl. He put water in it and brewed some tea from a plant he found. He was desperate. The guy I knew told him not to drink it because nobody there knew what the plant was, but this guy was starving and didn't care.
He brewed the tea in the middle of the night to not get in trouble and within 10 minutes he was writing in pain. He started to vomit and have horrible diarrhea. He was very vocal about what was happening as he couldn't control it. The other prisoners asked him to shut up or they'd get in trouble, but he couldn't stop. He was covering himself and other prisoners with his mess. It was a horrific scene.
With all the commotion guards came to the cage and started to yell at the men. They explained what was going on, but the guards didn't care. They told them to shut up. The man was out of it. Poisoned and violently ill. What did the guards do to solve this problem? Did they get the man out of there? Did they start beating him and the others? Nope. They just randomly opened fire into the cage with all the men inside.
More than half of them were killed that night and only the guy I knew and a few others were not killed or injured. Imagine having to spend the rest of the night in a room with injured and dead men, laying on top of you. Blood, body parts and human waste everywhere. You can't even stand up because the cage was so short.
He said whenever he sees the Vietnam flag he gets sick to his stomach because that flag is of the North. He also said there was a flag that looked the same but half was blue, but he has never seen it in Canada.
He hates that flag. He knows what it represents and the people who died under it.
This is why people do not want to be represented by that flag. Especially those who escaped it.
Definitely still a thing in Laos and Vietnam. Secret police as well. It’s a legitimate thing to not talk about certain politics in public, the person at the next table could very well be a party member or secret police. If you’re an obvious foreigner there’s a 100% chance the police know exactly where you are at all times.
Lived here for 8 years, the cops have better things to do than follow me around. Things like 'sitting around smoking and drinking tea'.
People openly talk about all sorts s all the time.
Probably not so much what they're currently doing as that they were the winning side in a bloody civil war and the diaspora are largely from the losing side.
Many Asians a I know find it very offensive to be lumped into such a broad category and then have their heritage be turned into a yearly game of trivial pursuit. AAPI is as nearly offensive to them as Latinix is to Hispanics.
Honestly we as Pacific Islanders do too. I’d rather we get our own separate months rather than be lumped together and diminishing our uniqueness. It feels like AAPI as a term just means “eastern people” with no regard to the culture or people in the region.
A better analogy would be how I, a Brazilian, always get lumped in with Spaniards, Argentines, Venezuelans, etc. because people don't know what the difference is between Latino and Hispanic
Latino includes all Romance-speaking countries and territories. Hispanic includes only the Spanish-speaking countries and territories
I'm talking about Latin America here
Though Hispanic also applies to countries outside of Latin America (Spain, Equatorial Guinea, and the Philippines)
EDIT: Not Andorra
Yo yo don't include us there. Very few Filipinos speak Spanish, and those who speak proper Spanish are even fewer, since most Filipinos who do speak Spanish speak a creole.
>AAPI is as nearly offensive to them as Latinix is to Hispanics.
Oh goodness how I wish more folk knew about this in relation to Latinx. What a travesty.
The suffering Olympics is just pathetic and offensive to all minorities. It makes people continue to think of minorities as an unintegratable part of society and only really panders to white people who use it as a way to feel superior to other people, while doing nothing to actually give a voice to the minority groups in the US/UK
I especially love it on AAPI panels when the entire PI representation consists of a single Filipino. We love our Pinoy cousins, but the Pasifika erasure is reaaaalllll
Flag used by the South Vietnamese government. My guess is that the Vietnamese student(s) don't recognise the current communist government of Vietnam. It's possible that their parents or grandparents moved to America before the end of the war and they want to recognise their nationality without recognising the Vietnamese government.
It’s the flag of South Vietnam. It’s not the flag of the present country, South Vietnam hasn’t existed in nearly 50 years, so it’s a political statement
I'm from San Jose, home of the largest Vietnamese American community in the US. Some cities in the suburbs here and SJ (I believe) have adopted this flag, the South Vietnamese flag, as the only recognized flag among Vietnamese Americans living here. There is zero mention of North Vietnam and *zero* recognition of the current Vietnamese flag. All South Vietnam flags. It's because the current Vietnamese government (since the end of the Vietnam War, which started the diaspora) is communist. Communist is a dirty, dirty word among Vietnamese people. It's used as an insult. We've had politicians who have been forced to apologize to Vietnamese candidates for even suggesting they were communist. Communism and socialism, for Vietnamese Americans who have immigrated to the US, are associated with the war and the destruction of their livelihoods.
"communist" is only a dirty word among vietnameses people who fled the country because they were rightists. vietnamese people in vietnam have gone through no such propaganda.
As a lot of people in the comments have already stated it's the flag of US-backed South Vietnam, a key belligerent in the Vietnam war and was dissolved after they were defeated in the Vietnam war.
The Republic Of Vietnam or more commonly known as South Vietnam.
The U.S. backed state that was absorbed by the Soviet backed North Vietnam at the end of the Vietnam war.
I live in Orange County California home to a large diaspora community from Vietnam. I remember a small riot broke out the first time a business used the current flag of Vietnam. I know they were vandalized and I believe the ended up closing shop. Today it doesn't cause a riot but it does make older Vietnamese people grumble, the middle aged and young don't mind as much. Kind of similar to how when I was young we had a large Persian community and today some will call themselves Iranian (maybe 25%), when I was young that could start a fight.
The Vietnamese that fled after the war still use this flag. In Anaheim, CA, this flag is everywhere. There are communities there, where every house is Vietnamese. A lot of them don't even speak English and they've lived there for their entire life.
It's the flag of South Vietnam (officially the Republic of Vietnam).
A lot of Vietnamese fled as refugees after the end of the Vietnam War because they didn't want to be under communist rule, so Vietnamese diaspora largely still use the flag of the defeated South Vietnam and don't identify with the flag of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (the red flag with the single yellow star)
We still call it Saigon, in full Vietnamese: "Tỉnh Sài Gòn." not "Thành phố Sài Gòn". Alternatively call it Ho Chi Minh but not "Tỉnh Hồ Chí Minh" but rather "Thành Phố Hồ Chí Minh". We didn't change the Saigon, we just call it as a general term for the province HCM city is in. Quite hard to explain in English but that's the best I can do. "Tỉnh" here mean province, and we often using the term back and fort whenever we mentioning Saigon or HCM.
>we just call it as a general term for the province HCM city is in
Again, HCM City is **not** *in* a province. It's a special centrally governed municipality (*thành phố trực thuộc trung ương*) along with Hà Nội, Cần Thơ, Đà Nẵng, and Hải Phòng. Now I know people still refer to it as Sài Gòn unofficially, but I can't find any source that says it's actually still the **official** name of anything in or around the city.
As a Vietnamese, sometime, I just want people just combine both our and their flag together to just resolve the conflict between 2 sides. It is been nearly 50 years and people just kept argue about it.
Right? I feel like it’d be really easy to fly both flags together or do a split-flag type of thing. I get that a majority of Vietnamese people in America are diaspora from South Vietnam, but that doesn’t apply to everyone, especially on college campuses.
Pretty much we can remake the US flag into Vietnam flag with the current one replace for the area insicate the 50 states and the old one indicate the stripe area.
I mean, it's still used by those Vietnamese who fled the country, and quite a few states officially recognize the flag as the "Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag."
Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia should pay small South Pacific nations and like, Transnistria and Balkan breakaway states to recognize the Confederate flag as the "American Heritage and Freedom Flag."
Well what flag would they use to represent the Mainland if not the current one? The ROC flag is already taken by Taiwan. The Qing Dynasty flag? Would look a little ridiculous. The Five-Stripe flag? Too obscure and associated with a Japanese puppet state.
It's South Vietnam, most Vietnamese Americans come from South Vietnam, and many were refugees fleeing the war. As a result many in the diaspora prefer the Cochinchina flag.
Amazing that they used the fake flag for Vietnam yet still labeled the CCP “China”, ROC “Taiwan”, and “South” Korea instead of just Korea.
It’s like they wanted to be anti communist but got lazy and gave up halfway through
So if your country is taken over by fascists who change your flag, you think people should completely support them and wave a flag that doesn't represent your ideology?
What an unsubstantial take.
I have a lot ot Vietnamese friends in America and they rarely see that flag. People who use that flag are just the vocal minorities that are salty about the Vietnam war, mostly old South Vietnam refugees.
Source: I'm Vietnamese
The Confederacy never claimed to be the United States. The Confederacy wanted independence from the United States, and for the time of it's existence was a separate entity. It is a completely different situation.
Tankies usually try to compare the US Civil War to things that are poor comparisons (Taiwan ROC and China PRC is another example of a situation that doesn't match the US Civil War at all, but they keep making comparisons to it).
Honestly, if a million Southerners fled to Portugal in 1863 I wouldn’t be all that mad if their descendants self-identified with the Confederate flag. They definitely have a better justification than anybody with the Stars and Bars flying outside their house but Old Glory on their passport.
Not exactly democratic. It started out as a monarchy, had several eras of military dictatorship, and even when elections were held they were often quite fraudulent.
Yeah, searching "yellow flag vietnam" gives you the appropriate wikipedia article as the very first result.
I don't mind identification posts in general but I do wish people would make the bare minimum effort before asking here. Especially in this case since the resulting thread is about 90% cancer.
South Vietnam
Specifically the cold war era state that was supported by the US against the Marxist-Lenininst north, before losing the war to them. The reason why it is probably used here is because the Vietnamese diaspora in the west generally dislike the current government and its symbols, and have often called to be represented by this flag instead.
May i ask what the current government is doing that people don’t like?
Many Vietnamese are are the descendants of “the boat people.” Google that to understand an inkling of why the Vietnamese flag is so controversial in the Vietnamese diaspora.
It's a socialist dictatorship so people don't want to use their symbols and prefer using those of a military dictatorship instead.
Wasn't south Vietnam a dictatorship too?
That's what my comment is about. North Vietnam is a socialist dictatorship and south vietnam was a military dictatorship for large parts of it's history. I was trying to say that using south Vietnamnese instead of north Vietnamnese symobls really doesn't make a difference because both are/were oppressive authoritarian dictatorships with the only main difference being their economic ideology and who supported them.
The reason though, that many Vietnamese Americans use the South Vietnam flag is because most are political exiles who fled the Communist victory in the 70s
The boat people crisis started a couple years after the Communist victory. It seems people weren’t fleeing the victory, they are fleeing the way the new government was acting.
Tbf Vietnam is a pretty cool place today
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I'm not arguing. Just trying to understand.
I wasn't trying argue either. I was just using your comment as an opportunity to add some more context to what I previously commented.
>It was also the same thing for North and South Korea for a while.
fax, the proxy wars of the cold war wasn't about democracy vs capitalism it was about dictator that wanted to be rich vs dictator that also wanted to be rich but pretended he believed in workers power
Well one invaded the other
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There's really no contradiction there /s
It doesn't have the best track record when it comes to human rights, but that's not as relevant to why the flag of South Vietnam is used as the fact that much of the Vietnamese diaspora in the west is descended from South Vietnamese citizens who fled after the North's victory.
Well, it's a dictatorship for a start. And in general being a fan of Marxist-Leninist states is not exactly popular in the west, especially since many Vietnamese in the US arrived to the country fleeing that exact government.
as if south vietnam was a holy benevolent democracy
In practice it wasn’t much better but that hardly matters to the people who fled that country to escape the communist regime in particular.
Unfortunately there’s people out there that throw all nuance out and claim North Vietnam was a benevolent state. Both north and south were shitty and propped up by international powers, but the north was able to organize itself better in the long run while the south kept couping itself.
I mean, this is true for Cuba and Cuban-Americans as well. Batista was a horrible dictator, but the ones that fled ran away from Castro
Yeah but dictatorships are okay when you're defending Capitalism from the godless commies /s
A lot of the Vietnamese diaspora in the USA have family who were beaten, unjustly imprisoned, etc. by the current government in power back in the day, and that's why they left Vietnam.
A lot of the Vietnamese in Vietnam have family who were beaten, unjustly imprisoned, etc. by the American-backed government in power back in the day, and that's why they stayed to fight for Vietnam.
And much of the Vietnamese diaspora is starting to reconnect with Vietnam now (the opposite of Cuba)
Do you think the younger Cuban diaspora is drifting away from Cuban culture? In my experience Cuban-Americans under 30 or so are markedly less "anti-communist" and much less religious than their parents and grandparents. In general younger Cuban-Americans have always struck me as more willing to travel back to Cuba and reconnect with cousins and stuff, whereas their parents and grandparents refuse to even recognize the nation on principal.
To a point, yes, but Cuban-Americans' support for the GOP and the embargo has grown in the Trump era (though this is usually notably only polled in Florida: from what I remember, though I can't find the stats on it currently, NY/NJ Cubans vote Democratic, which means the diaspora isn't as uniform as believed). This is starting [to change](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/cuban-americans-disapprove-biden-issues-new-arrivals-poll-finds-rcna53829) but polling is still somewhat mixed. On the other hand, Vietnamese-Americans, despite voting GOP (though this may be more true in enclaves), are often comfortable with [going back to the homeland](https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Young-Vietnamese-Americans-returning-to-a-new-land-of-opportunity) and even the older generation [are happier to support the home country.](https://www.cntraveler.com/story/why-im-moving-to-the-country-my-parents-fled-decades-ago) Vietnam-US relations have also become [very friendly](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/09/united-states-vietnam-relations-quiet-victory-trade-war-legacies/) to the point that the two are nearly allies, though not quite to the level of Japan or Europe.
Years ago I used to work at a place that had half of a floor for their offices. The remaining offices were rented out by people who worked alone or in small groups of two or three. One of the guys who worked there was a Chinese guy, who lived in Malaysia, but before that when he was younger he moved to Vietnam with his family. The absolute horror stories about the Vietnam war from when he was a kid would shock and disturb you. He tried to escape on a boat and a day into their trip the boat broke down and drifted back to shore and him and about 100 people were captured by the North Vietnamese. They put them into these cage that were only 4' tall with wet dirt floors and like 30 people in these cages that were about the size of an SUV in floor space. So everyone was crammed in there like sardines. They starved them with only a handful of food a day, so they ate whatever they could. Rats, worms, bugs, snakes, random plants etc. Well one guy was starving and he found a lighter and a metal bowl. He put water in it and brewed some tea from a plant he found. He was desperate. The guy I knew told him not to drink it because nobody there knew what the plant was, but this guy was starving and didn't care. He brewed the tea in the middle of the night to not get in trouble and within 10 minutes he was writing in pain. He started to vomit and have horrible diarrhea. He was very vocal about what was happening as he couldn't control it. The other prisoners asked him to shut up or they'd get in trouble, but he couldn't stop. He was covering himself and other prisoners with his mess. It was a horrific scene. With all the commotion guards came to the cage and started to yell at the men. They explained what was going on, but the guards didn't care. They told them to shut up. The man was out of it. Poisoned and violently ill. What did the guards do to solve this problem? Did they get the man out of there? Did they start beating him and the others? Nope. They just randomly opened fire into the cage with all the men inside. More than half of them were killed that night and only the guy I knew and a few others were not killed or injured. Imagine having to spend the rest of the night in a room with injured and dead men, laying on top of you. Blood, body parts and human waste everywhere. You can't even stand up because the cage was so short. He said whenever he sees the Vietnam flag he gets sick to his stomach because that flag is of the North. He also said there was a flag that looked the same but half was blue, but he has never seen it in Canada. He hates that flag. He knows what it represents and the people who died under it. This is why people do not want to be represented by that flag. Especially those who escaped it.
Reeducation camps was the method used 20 years ago. I don’t know currently.
Definitely still a thing in Laos and Vietnam. Secret police as well. It’s a legitimate thing to not talk about certain politics in public, the person at the next table could very well be a party member or secret police. If you’re an obvious foreigner there’s a 100% chance the police know exactly where you are at all times.
Lived here for 8 years, the cops have better things to do than follow me around. Things like 'sitting around smoking and drinking tea'. People openly talk about all sorts s all the time.
You're reply gonna be ignored as it doesn't fit people's indoctrinated "SeCrEt CoMmiE PoLiCe eVeRyWhErE" perspective lol
[Here’s a start](https://freedomhouse.org/country/vietnam/freedom-world/2021)
Probably not so much what they're currently doing as that they were the winning side in a bloody civil war and the diaspora are largely from the losing side.
Expatriated Vietnamese, like the Florida Cubans, are sore losers
The Vietnamese diaspora often uses the old South Vietnamese flag
Only the old diaspora who fled to the west from south Vietnam after the north took control.
Vietnamese immigration picked up again after the 1980s, as well as Vietnam - US relations (especially close now thanks to China).
man i love when us pacific islanders are excluded almost completely for asian american and pacific islander month it really makes me feel noticed
Many Asians a I know find it very offensive to be lumped into such a broad category and then have their heritage be turned into a yearly game of trivial pursuit. AAPI is as nearly offensive to them as Latinix is to Hispanics.
Honestly we as Pacific Islanders do too. I’d rather we get our own separate months rather than be lumped together and diminishing our uniqueness. It feels like AAPI as a term just means “eastern people” with no regard to the culture or people in the region.
A better analogy would be how I, a Brazilian, always get lumped in with Spaniards, Argentines, Venezuelans, etc. because people don't know what the difference is between Latino and Hispanic Latino includes all Romance-speaking countries and territories. Hispanic includes only the Spanish-speaking countries and territories
Wouldn't this technically make Romania and Moldova Latino? After all they speak a romance language too.
I'm talking about Latin America here Though Hispanic also applies to countries outside of Latin America (Spain, Equatorial Guinea, and the Philippines) EDIT: Not Andorra
philippines is debatable, but both sides have reasonable arguments.
Make sense, thanks.
Just occurred to me that you could technically include Quebec as part of Latin America lmao
Yo yo don't include us there. Very few Filipinos speak Spanish, and those who speak proper Spanish are even fewer, since most Filipinos who do speak Spanish speak a creole.
depends on who you ask, they might be latins… but not latino(americano)s
>AAPI is as nearly offensive to them as Latinix is to Hispanics. Oh goodness how I wish more folk knew about this in relation to Latinx. What a travesty.
The suffering Olympics is just pathetic and offensive to all minorities. It makes people continue to think of minorities as an unintegratable part of society and only really panders to white people who use it as a way to feel superior to other people, while doing nothing to actually give a voice to the minority groups in the US/UK
that’s a really good analogy -hispanic person
I knew a guy from Guam who liked to say he was Native American. He’s a Native, from American land.
I think the point with this pic though is that it shows the countries of origin of kids who are actually at the school.
I especially love it on AAPI panels when the entire PI representation consists of a single Filipino. We love our Pinoy cousins, but the Pasifika erasure is reaaaalllll
The flags were probably picked by the people in this specific group and represent their heritage.
At least Armenians are welcome!
The flag of South Vietnam.
Flag of the former Republic of (South) Vietnam.
Flag used by the South Vietnamese government. My guess is that the Vietnamese student(s) don't recognise the current communist government of Vietnam. It's possible that their parents or grandparents moved to America before the end of the war and they want to recognise their nationality without recognising the Vietnamese government.
It’s the flag of South Vietnam. It’s not the flag of the present country, South Vietnam hasn’t existed in nearly 50 years, so it’s a political statement
I think it is because many Southern Vietnamese fled to US and still use the flag to represent their culture
Much as it is claimed that the Confederate flag is used to represent culture. In reality: sore losers.
Not disagreeing, but it’s still not the flag of the present country and hasn’t been for 5 decades.
It’s analogous to Americans who still wave the Confederate flag. They can’t accept that the civil war is over and their side lost.
I'm from San Jose, home of the largest Vietnamese American community in the US. Some cities in the suburbs here and SJ (I believe) have adopted this flag, the South Vietnamese flag, as the only recognized flag among Vietnamese Americans living here. There is zero mention of North Vietnam and *zero* recognition of the current Vietnamese flag. All South Vietnam flags. It's because the current Vietnamese government (since the end of the Vietnam War, which started the diaspora) is communist. Communist is a dirty, dirty word among Vietnamese people. It's used as an insult. We've had politicians who have been forced to apologize to Vietnamese candidates for even suggesting they were communist. Communism and socialism, for Vietnamese Americans who have immigrated to the US, are associated with the war and the destruction of their livelihoods.
"communist" is only a dirty word among vietnameses people who fled the country because they were rightists. vietnamese people in vietnam have gone through no such propaganda.
Yike, it is really that bad over there ?
200,000 to 400,000 people died while trying to flee Vietnam after the Vietnam War.
Jesus.
As a lot of people in the comments have already stated it's the flag of US-backed South Vietnam, a key belligerent in the Vietnam war and was dissolved after they were defeated in the Vietnam war.
That’s the pre 1975 flag for the now long defunct Republic of Vietnam, aka South Vietnam.
The Republic Of Vietnam or more commonly known as South Vietnam. The U.S. backed state that was absorbed by the Soviet backed North Vietnam at the end of the Vietnam war.
I live in Orange County California home to a large diaspora community from Vietnam. I remember a small riot broke out the first time a business used the current flag of Vietnam. I know they were vandalized and I believe the ended up closing shop. Today it doesn't cause a riot but it does make older Vietnamese people grumble, the middle aged and young don't mind as much. Kind of similar to how when I was young we had a large Persian community and today some will call themselves Iranian (maybe 25%), when I was young that could start a fight.
they're simply stuck in the old past
The Vietnamese that fled after the war still use this flag. In Anaheim, CA, this flag is everywhere. There are communities there, where every house is Vietnamese. A lot of them don't even speak English and they've lived there for their entire life.
These communities were made by the US government. They just dumped refugees in random cities.
As opposed to what, dumping them in very specific cities?
Should they have scattered them randomly across the country? What alternative are you suggesting?
They rescued them from certain death in their homeland.
SOUTH FRICCING VIETNAM
The French puppet state one (wtf cringe)
Stfu commie, who let you use the Internet?
Your to-do list: -Blow 100 American dicks -Repeat
Says commie blowing Lenin’s syphilis dick Lol
Loser flag
It says Asian and Pacific Islander, and there is not one country from the pacific islands? Philippines, Taiwan, Japan don't count
Typical diaspora 🗿
Old flag & south Vietnam flag, changed after the war
Old south viet flag
It's the flag of South Vietnam (officially the Republic of Vietnam). A lot of Vietnamese fled as refugees after the end of the Vietnam War because they didn't want to be under communist rule, so Vietnamese diaspora largely still use the flag of the defeated South Vietnam and don't identify with the flag of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (the red flag with the single yellow star)
South Vietnamese flag used in the Vietnam War
That was the flag of Vietnam in the past, and the flag of South Vietnam during the Vietnam War
Capitalist vietnam during vietnam war, also called south vietnam.
A flag that reminds us that the capital city Ho Chi Minh was once called Saigon
Still called Saigon but under province name and the City is called Ho Chi Minh. Also, it is not captial, Ha Noi is the one.
TP.HCM isn’t in a province. It’s a special muncipality. So what exactly are you saying is still officially called Saigon?
We still call it Saigon, in full Vietnamese: "Tỉnh Sài Gòn." not "Thành phố Sài Gòn". Alternatively call it Ho Chi Minh but not "Tỉnh Hồ Chí Minh" but rather "Thành Phố Hồ Chí Minh". We didn't change the Saigon, we just call it as a general term for the province HCM city is in. Quite hard to explain in English but that's the best I can do. "Tỉnh" here mean province, and we often using the term back and fort whenever we mentioning Saigon or HCM.
>we just call it as a general term for the province HCM city is in Again, HCM City is **not** *in* a province. It's a special centrally governed municipality (*thành phố trực thuộc trung ương*) along with Hà Nội, Cần Thơ, Đà Nẵng, and Hải Phòng. Now I know people still refer to it as Sài Gòn unofficially, but I can't find any source that says it's actually still the **official** name of anything in or around the city.
Confederate Vietnam
The War of Northern (Vietnam) Aggression
I mean, that’s kind of true in this case…
As true as every Lost Causer believes it to be, the world over, for sure.
Not really, the war in earnest started with a communist insurgency in the South. Not saying it wasn’t justified, but you can see what I mean.
r/vexillology use Google search challenge level: impossible
As a Vietnamese, sometime, I just want people just combine both our and their flag together to just resolve the conflict between 2 sides. It is been nearly 50 years and people just kept argue about it.
Just hang a flag that says ‘I hate China’ in Vietnamese, it shall unite both sides
Right? I feel like it’d be really easy to fly both flags together or do a split-flag type of thing. I get that a majority of Vietnamese people in America are diaspora from South Vietnam, but that doesn’t apply to everyone, especially on college campuses.
That's like having the Confederate flag stitched to the US flag.
Pretty much we can remake the US flag into Vietnam flag with the current one replace for the area insicate the 50 states and the old one indicate the stripe area.
South Vietnam
South Vietnam
That's the flag of South Vietnam (1955-1975)
South Vietnam
Is your school in California?
Texas 🤠
That was the Former Flag of the Republic of Vietnam
it's the flag of vietnam, but the curriculum here seems to be half a century out of date.
Poor losers.
South Vietnam
Im way more interested why this map shows an independent Sakhalin Island. (the rest of Russian isnt there, and its a different colour from Japan)
"pacific islander" where tuvalu, Micronesia, fiji, vanuatu etc?
Someone is mad about the Vietnam war.
South Vietnam
The flag of disgruntled Vietnamese-Americans who refuse to face the facts and accept defeat.
HOOO BOY
Talking about bad losers...
I mean, it's still used by those Vietnamese who fled the country, and quite a few states officially recognize the flag as the "Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag."
Freedom flag… bit of a stretch
Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia should pay small South Pacific nations and like, Transnistria and Balkan breakaway states to recognize the Confederate flag as the "American Heritage and Freedom Flag."
That right there is a political statement lol. But a random one considering they didn’t do the same for China
Well what flag would they use to represent the Mainland if not the current one? The ROC flag is already taken by Taiwan. The Qing Dynasty flag? Would look a little ridiculous. The Five-Stripe flag? Too obscure and associated with a Japanese puppet state.
Flag of coping because you lost to rice farmers Edit: Thought I was in the circlejerk sub, but I'll keep this
It's South Vietnam, most Vietnamese Americans come from South Vietnam, and many were refugees fleeing the war. As a result many in the diaspora prefer the Cochinchina flag.
The wrong one
Amazing that they used the fake flag for Vietnam yet still labeled the CCP “China”, ROC “Taiwan”, and “South” Korea instead of just Korea. It’s like they wanted to be anti communist but got lazy and gave up halfway through
**True** Vietnam
Gusano flag
Weird. Why is that poster using the flag of South Vietnam?
Whoever chose that flag for Vietnam is a sore looser or sides with sore losers.
So if your country is taken over by fascists who change your flag, you think people should completely support them and wave a flag that doesn't represent your ideology? What an unsubstantial take.
Vietnam isn't fascist.
The people flying that flag are likely the descendants of Vietnamese refugees and exiles, most Vietnamese Americans use that flag.
I have a lot ot Vietnamese friends in America and they rarely see that flag. People who use that flag are just the vocal minorities that are salty about the Vietnam war, mostly old South Vietnam refugees. Source: I'm Vietnamese
It's just a similar scenario, sense most people in the west have no issue with communism.
I guess someone's still salty about how that war turned out, hehe
It's like the us using the flag of the confederacy. Just sore losers.
The Confederacy never claimed to be the United States. The Confederacy wanted independence from the United States, and for the time of it's existence was a separate entity. It is a completely different situation.
Tankies usually try to compare the US Civil War to things that are poor comparisons (Taiwan ROC and China PRC is another example of a situation that doesn't match the US Civil War at all, but they keep making comparisons to it).
Honestly, if a million Southerners fled to Portugal in 1863 I wouldn’t be all that mad if their descendants self-identified with the Confederate flag. They definitely have a better justification than anybody with the Stars and Bars flying outside their house but Old Glory on their passport.
Yeah like the Russian Army using the Soviet flag, sore fucking losers.
South Vietnam aka an American Puppet
why the fuck is this downvoted lol like Vietnam are a big chess board for the Soviets and The US
“Commies are scary”
Yes
Definitely an old poster. It is the flag of South Vietnam, which no longer exists. It became part of Vietnam after the Vietnam war.
This was put up at the beginning of the school year.
I mean the poster its self is old.
So based
One may call it “Free Vietnam” while others just call it “flag of the Vietnamese Diaspora” Meanwhile Mainland Vietnamese would find it cringe.
Republic of Vietnam, Republic of Korea, Republic of China, all dictatorships like their enemies were, just without the communist angle.
That's the real flag of Vietnam. Your AAPI group is based.
The superior one
That's Democratic South Vietnam.
Not exactly democratic. It started out as a monarchy, had several eras of military dictatorship, and even when elections were held they were often quite fraudulent.
“Democratic”
So democratic the vast majority of their existence they are rule by either Christian fanatics or military dictatorships
As democratic as North Korea
The better one
The legitimate government of Vietnam.
REJECT MODERNITY EMBRACE BO DAI
Seriously?
They’re one of today’s 10,000 people who learn something new today.
I mean it's literally labeled tho. Sure it's the old flag but it'd be incredibly easy to find in about 10 seconds on Google
Yeah, searching "yellow flag vietnam" gives you the appropriate wikipedia article as the very first result. I don't mind identification posts in general but I do wish people would make the bare minimum effort before asking here. Especially in this case since the resulting thread is about 90% cancer.
Why is Turkmenistan a ‘pacific islander’?
It doesn't say that it is?
The sore losers club.
Wtf your school supports fascist South vietnam!?
You can’t just call any authoritarian country « fascist »
Excuse me? What's a "Pacific Islander?"
Samoan, Togans, Fijians, Melanesians, etc. Basically people from the Polynesia, Micronesia, and Melanesia.
It’s the flag of Vietnam if it was still coping