Raise your budget, or lower your expectations. It sounds like you might be after whatever the Lumix S1Hii is going to be, apart from it being FF. You can also check your boxes with a GH7, apart from it being m43, but you can fix that with a speedbooster if that’s a problem. FX6 and FC3 are full frame and expensive. Not sure if you can get BRAW with Sony though.
wow, you certainly seem to have researched the hell out of the specs, but have you looked at examples on the net, downloaded samples, gone and had a touchy-feely session with any of them? specs are useful, but not of much use on their own.
you seem to want other people to make your mind up for you? not a good beginning.
you're looking at a sizable investment, better you know what you're buying rather than trust ill-informed, biased, inexperienced advice you might get from the net.
nor do you state what your main subject matter will be; real estate, weddings, music clips, etc., etc., this aspect will play a pivotal role in any camera choice, as will, the ergonomics required.
I was shooting 1080p professsionally until this year. You don’t need 6K60p and you sure as hell won’t get it for $2k. Where’s your budget for lenses, support, power, etc? I’d be looking at slightly older used stuff with that budget, especially if it’s gonna include all your accessories.
For some context on my emphasis here, I got a smashing deal on an URSA Mini body last year, and then proceeded to spend about 3.5x what I spent on the camera just to get it ready to shoot. I didn’t even buy any more lenses.
Presumably Mr Youtube Man (take your pick) said that it's more better, and they assume that means necessary
I don't think I've ever shot more than 4.6k24p
I mean you get 6k60fps for 2k USD in the pocket 6k right?
Also I'm not from the US, so second-hand deals are not as optional for me as may for you. But thanks for the idea.
Sure, you can get a BMPCC6K body for $2k. But I guarentee you can't get it rigged into a usable state. I mean hell, I spent about $600 USD just on cards for the URSA, because those higher resolutions absolutely eat up storage. Not to mention batteries, the Pocket really needs external power because LP-E6 batteries are tiny, so I'd expect to spend another $500-1000 on that. Then there's lenses of course, which could easily run you anywhere from $500-5000 depending on what you want/need. That's a pretty conservative lens budget even at the high end to be fair, a nice set of cine primes could easily set you back over $10k if you get something nice.
I'll add as well, I don't know where you're from exactly, but most ebay listings ship internationally. There's also bound to be a (smaller) local second hand market if you're willing to wait longer for stuff to show up, I'm not US based either and have had no issue getting second hand gear.
What do you mean?
✅ 6k60fps
✅ 2.8k120fps is enough I guess, as I said, it's not a necessity
✅ APSC
✅ BRAW
And the only thing wrong is the body, as I stated in the original post ...
“The crop on the FX30 at 4k120FPS is horrible.”
I’ve never understood this logic. Sure, it’s not ideal, but how in the world is this a dealbreaker?? Truly, how often are you shooting 120FPS? And when you do, just throw on a super wide lens. There’s literally no issue here.
You just named the issue. If I want to shoot super slow mo in any scenario. I don't want to change lenses ONLY because of it.
Lenses have characters, distortions, bokeh, everything. And you make a choice, and you lose this choice only because "oh damn I need to shoot 120". I don't want to loose half of the lenses image only because of a digital crop. If I wanted to do that I'll just buy cheapest 6k camera and zoom in post every time I miss a framing.
It's not a deal breaker, as you said, I won't be shooting 120 most of the times, you got that right. But again, I want the best option. Seems only logical I'll look for it, no?
But your budget is $2000... like, are you expecting to get the absolute perfect camera at that budget? 120FPS is a speciality shot. I'm just trying to imagine a scenario where I'm operating with a low budget and I want to shoot 120fps for a brief amount of time, but for some reason it's too inconveniencing to 1) change to a wide lens or 2) take a few steps back to compensate for the additional crop factor.
Like I said, not ideal, but how often are you shooting 120fps? I feel like there's a pro and con for every piece of gear out there. If 120fps is your bread and butter and you're dying to pair it with some unique lens- I get it. Other than that, I'd say grab the FX30 and adapt when it's 120fps time.
Also- I'm fully reading your post and you think the BMPCC6k is your ideal camera, but you won't buy it because of how it looks. You might be a lost cause when it comes to gear buddy
No, but the Fuji is damn close and it's around 2000$. So that just tells me it's possible.
But yea, as I said, it's not a deal breaker, but at the end of the day, the BMPCC seems like the best option for me and I'll just deal with its only downside.
All should be more than fine, kinda boils down to personal preference at that point. Just pick your gut one then spend more time thinking of actually shooting cool and interesting stuff instead.
For $2000, you are not “settling” for 4K instead of 6K. Most movies being made in Hollywood right now are shot in 4K. Some are still shot in 3K on the original Alexa sensor.
You've discovered what.most equipment owners know, that every camera has compromise.
A gh6 or the gh7 will do a lot of what you want as long as you're prepared to 'setttle' for 4k and m43 has done me well for years, as long as you pick up some fast lesnes and/or a speed booster..but honestly, 6k is overkill unless you really think you need it.
But 2000 dollars isnt a lot to cover what you want, and if that's the only budget you have to cover all accessories, lenses, legs. Lights, audio, rigging, monitors etc will run that budget down very, very quickly.
I really don't want M43. Would wayy rather take APSC with 4k over M43 with 6k. And tbh I'm not a huge fan of Panasonic either. BUT, the BS1H does seems like a valid choice.
why the living fuck do you need a camera than can shoot 6K 60 FPS & can shoot RAW.....???
I'm going to assume you're a hobbyist going off the "I just want to create" line in your post & not to be overtly blunt, but you sound like you want something that looks & sounds good to talk about when you can verbal vomit about specs, rather than something you can actually use.
You're not going to be showing anything you shoot on anything larger than a laptop screen; you barely need 4K let alone 6K.
Why do you *need* 6K 60 FPS?
Why do you *need* RAW?
You're not shooting a commercial, you're not shooting a studio feature - more than half the time those aren't even shooting RAW - there is no reason why you need a camera with these specs.
**I'm actually very confused how you got yourself to a point where you have convinced yourself that you *need* these specs.**
2K ain't getting you anywhere close if those specs are mandatory & it would be a massive waste of money anyways.
Edit - I saw in one of your comments arguing that 6K would solve a problem you've been having.
If shooting at a higher resolution is your claim to solving a problem, you need to not buy another camera & spend time on improving your skill level.
It records ProRes internally, and 6k and 120fps 4k and 240 2k. Why do you need to use an external recorder? It's necessary for raw recording, but Prores flog2 is pretty flexible and arguably better than Prores raw.
It would also help mentioning exactly what you want to create. Different cameras will suit different content better than others. If you’re shooting events vs documentary vs vlogging/YT content then I’m sure everyone here would recommend a different camera. For example you wouldn’t need an FX6 if you’re just doing YouTube. You also have to consider lens costs etc.
Side note if you’re basing your choice on the way the camera looks then you’re already on the wrong track. BM makes some great cameras for the money that turn out great content. Base your choice on the features you need for your content.
I'm not 100% sure what will I do. I know I want to make short movies in my free time, but will also be making paid stuff. That's why I said I don't care about FF and stabilization. I know that's something people want when they are making YT, or let's say documentaries.
Why is looking at the body format a wrong thing? I'm gonna be using that camera and I want that to be pleasant? I'll probably be going for the pocket 6K, because I owned a 4K and I had just a few issues with it, which 6K basically solves all, EXCEPT a ugly big body that's pain to carry around.
I would not care if it was a still camera, but to this day I do not understand why they craate cinema-like camera and just put it to the stills-like body, when most of the people rig up the camera anyways.
Pyxis legit seems like a great camera, but probably not for me. I don't really want to pay extra ~~1000$~~ 1400$ for the boxed body and "worse" sensor for me. I still prefer APSC over FF. But props to BM, great piece.
I've been using the 6K Pro for 2 years, but I really hate the fact that it's an EF Mount camera which is almost obsolete at this point. Incredibly poor convertibility, hard to find newer lenses for it (especially cine glass) and actually adds to the bulk of the whole body. Considering your needs, I still think the FF version is an incredible offer for the price, it's still on sale for 1,500$ on B&H which is a STEAL for the specs. Tomorrow's the deadline for the deal, so keep that in mind if you decide to consider it.
Edit: You probably know about it but the FF version uses an L mount which opens up a lot of options for glasses you may want to use.
Yea you are right about the EF. I would rather have RF or L. But it's somethign managable, atleast for me. Also the sale on B&H is insane, but sadly I'm not from US.
Then I'd heavily favor either the XH2S or the S5IIX in your case. The Lumix option is a full frame sensor, but it offers external BRAW recording which is fantastic assuming you're also a DaVinci user. It's also a great deal for the price, one of the most underrated cameras with incredible specs in its price range.
As for the XH2S, I seriously consider that camera to be one of the best, if not the best, S35 mirrorless cameras out there right now. Amazing color science, great image both in video and photo realms. Just the ability to shoot open gate alone makes me favor it over an FX30.
I went down the same exact rabbit hole as you last year - I landed at the Fujifilm X-H2s and really love it. Here’s my short [write up](https://rivalfutures.id/fujifilm-for-fun/) if you’re interested.
If you do end up going Fujifilm, DM me and I’ll send you a bunch of resources based on your production needs!
I picked up my fx30+xlr handle a couple weeks ago. Couldn’t be happier. When I started out I fell into the trap of thinking professional videography was “full frame or nothing”….sold my FF glass and picked up a couple amazing apsc lenses (tamron 17-70 f2.8 is especially fantastic and versatile).
Low light on the fx30 gets a bad wrap, but it’s very very usable. 4K 60fps works beautifully. And the crop at 120 isn’t a deal breaker either, still very very usable and can adapt your frame.
I also looked at getting the BM 6k pro, was super tempting but it’s lack of continuous autofocus was my ultimate deal breaker. Fx30s AF is fucking mind blowing. Perfect for the style of videos I shoot (run and gun).
What do you have against the e mount?
I guess my only “complaint” switching to Sony (I was a canon dude for years) is their color science….again, not a deal breaker, but canons colors generally seemed more natural to me…. but obviously this is all adjustable in post.
Anyways, don’t ditch the fx30 idea just yet. Maybe track one down and give it a try.
C70/C500II, FX3/FX6 or A9III + Atomos Ninja. Transcode to ProRes RAW to CDNG with metadata change to Panasonic camera for native RAW support with V Log in Davinci
Nikon have just released Z6III with 6k 60p internal N RAW and ProRes RAW for 2500$.
9 ms rolling shutter.
But you'll have to do noise reduction on post since it only has ±10 stops of DR out of the box.
Also no redundant recording options for video.
Raise your budget, or lower your expectations. It sounds like you might be after whatever the Lumix S1Hii is going to be, apart from it being FF. You can also check your boxes with a GH7, apart from it being m43, but you can fix that with a speedbooster if that’s a problem. FX6 and FC3 are full frame and expensive. Not sure if you can get BRAW with Sony though.
I'm going to get a gh7. Not sure when....but damn it's a stunner
I'll keep an eye open for the Lumix. Personally I don't have a good experience with a speedbooster and so does my friend.
What has your poor experience been like?
Soft edges
wow, you certainly seem to have researched the hell out of the specs, but have you looked at examples on the net, downloaded samples, gone and had a touchy-feely session with any of them? specs are useful, but not of much use on their own. you seem to want other people to make your mind up for you? not a good beginning. you're looking at a sizable investment, better you know what you're buying rather than trust ill-informed, biased, inexperienced advice you might get from the net. nor do you state what your main subject matter will be; real estate, weddings, music clips, etc., etc., this aspect will play a pivotal role in any camera choice, as will, the ergonomics required.
I was shooting 1080p professsionally until this year. You don’t need 6K60p and you sure as hell won’t get it for $2k. Where’s your budget for lenses, support, power, etc? I’d be looking at slightly older used stuff with that budget, especially if it’s gonna include all your accessories. For some context on my emphasis here, I got a smashing deal on an URSA Mini body last year, and then proceeded to spend about 3.5x what I spent on the camera just to get it ready to shoot. I didn’t even buy any more lenses.
I don’t know where people are getting these ideas that they need 6k 60FPS.
Presumably Mr Youtube Man (take your pick) said that it's more better, and they assume that means necessary I don't think I've ever shot more than 4.6k24p
This 👆🏼camera is pretty crap without a lens, power, etc. to go with it
I mean you get 6k60fps for 2k USD in the pocket 6k right? Also I'm not from the US, so second-hand deals are not as optional for me as may for you. But thanks for the idea.
pocket 6k will do 60 with a 2.4:1 crop. If you don't want that it tops out at 6k50.
I'm fine with 6k50
Sure, you can get a BMPCC6K body for $2k. But I guarentee you can't get it rigged into a usable state. I mean hell, I spent about $600 USD just on cards for the URSA, because those higher resolutions absolutely eat up storage. Not to mention batteries, the Pocket really needs external power because LP-E6 batteries are tiny, so I'd expect to spend another $500-1000 on that. Then there's lenses of course, which could easily run you anywhere from $500-5000 depending on what you want/need. That's a pretty conservative lens budget even at the high end to be fair, a nice set of cine primes could easily set you back over $10k if you get something nice. I'll add as well, I don't know where you're from exactly, but most ebay listings ship internationally. There's also bound to be a (smaller) local second hand market if you're willing to wait longer for stuff to show up, I'm not US based either and have had no issue getting second hand gear.
Fuji XH2s, LUMIX S52 or BMCC6k
"Your choice" lacks most of your own requirements
What do you mean? ✅ 6k60fps ✅ 2.8k120fps is enough I guess, as I said, it's not a necessity ✅ APSC ✅ BRAW And the only thing wrong is the body, as I stated in the original post ...
“The crop on the FX30 at 4k120FPS is horrible.” I’ve never understood this logic. Sure, it’s not ideal, but how in the world is this a dealbreaker?? Truly, how often are you shooting 120FPS? And when you do, just throw on a super wide lens. There’s literally no issue here.
You just named the issue. If I want to shoot super slow mo in any scenario. I don't want to change lenses ONLY because of it. Lenses have characters, distortions, bokeh, everything. And you make a choice, and you lose this choice only because "oh damn I need to shoot 120". I don't want to loose half of the lenses image only because of a digital crop. If I wanted to do that I'll just buy cheapest 6k camera and zoom in post every time I miss a framing. It's not a deal breaker, as you said, I won't be shooting 120 most of the times, you got that right. But again, I want the best option. Seems only logical I'll look for it, no?
But your budget is $2000... like, are you expecting to get the absolute perfect camera at that budget? 120FPS is a speciality shot. I'm just trying to imagine a scenario where I'm operating with a low budget and I want to shoot 120fps for a brief amount of time, but for some reason it's too inconveniencing to 1) change to a wide lens or 2) take a few steps back to compensate for the additional crop factor. Like I said, not ideal, but how often are you shooting 120fps? I feel like there's a pro and con for every piece of gear out there. If 120fps is your bread and butter and you're dying to pair it with some unique lens- I get it. Other than that, I'd say grab the FX30 and adapt when it's 120fps time. Also- I'm fully reading your post and you think the BMPCC6k is your ideal camera, but you won't buy it because of how it looks. You might be a lost cause when it comes to gear buddy
No, but the Fuji is damn close and it's around 2000$. So that just tells me it's possible. But yea, as I said, it's not a deal breaker, but at the end of the day, the BMPCC seems like the best option for me and I'll just deal with its only downside.
Just get the P6K. It checks all your boxes and the form factor isn’t even that bad. Personally I like the large screen on the back
Yea tbh seems like I will
Just get the pocket 6k, easy choice
Seems like it
All should be more than fine, kinda boils down to personal preference at that point. Just pick your gut one then spend more time thinking of actually shooting cool and interesting stuff instead.
For $2000, you are not “settling” for 4K instead of 6K. Most movies being made in Hollywood right now are shot in 4K. Some are still shot in 3K on the original Alexa sensor.
Technically I'm settling, if 6k is what I prefer. Never said I can't live without 6k, thats what settling means, no?
You've discovered what.most equipment owners know, that every camera has compromise. A gh6 or the gh7 will do a lot of what you want as long as you're prepared to 'setttle' for 4k and m43 has done me well for years, as long as you pick up some fast lesnes and/or a speed booster..but honestly, 6k is overkill unless you really think you need it. But 2000 dollars isnt a lot to cover what you want, and if that's the only budget you have to cover all accessories, lenses, legs. Lights, audio, rigging, monitors etc will run that budget down very, very quickly.
I really don't want M43. Would wayy rather take APSC with 4k over M43 with 6k. And tbh I'm not a huge fan of Panasonic either. BUT, the BS1H does seems like a valid choice.
Why all the hate for m43 mount? The gh5s has been the best camera i've ever had.
why the living fuck do you need a camera than can shoot 6K 60 FPS & can shoot RAW.....??? I'm going to assume you're a hobbyist going off the "I just want to create" line in your post & not to be overtly blunt, but you sound like you want something that looks & sounds good to talk about when you can verbal vomit about specs, rather than something you can actually use. You're not going to be showing anything you shoot on anything larger than a laptop screen; you barely need 4K let alone 6K. Why do you *need* 6K 60 FPS? Why do you *need* RAW? You're not shooting a commercial, you're not shooting a studio feature - more than half the time those aren't even shooting RAW - there is no reason why you need a camera with these specs. **I'm actually very confused how you got yourself to a point where you have convinced yourself that you *need* these specs.** 2K ain't getting you anywhere close if those specs are mandatory & it would be a massive waste of money anyways. Edit - I saw in one of your comments arguing that 6K would solve a problem you've been having. If shooting at a higher resolution is your claim to solving a problem, you need to not buy another camera & spend time on improving your skill level.
Take it easy!
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What are you experiences with it? I read few reviews and it seems like it bugs a lot. Especially while using external recorder.
It records ProRes internally, and 6k and 120fps 4k and 240 2k. Why do you need to use an external recorder? It's necessary for raw recording, but Prores flog2 is pretty flexible and arguably better than Prores raw.
It would also help mentioning exactly what you want to create. Different cameras will suit different content better than others. If you’re shooting events vs documentary vs vlogging/YT content then I’m sure everyone here would recommend a different camera. For example you wouldn’t need an FX6 if you’re just doing YouTube. You also have to consider lens costs etc. Side note if you’re basing your choice on the way the camera looks then you’re already on the wrong track. BM makes some great cameras for the money that turn out great content. Base your choice on the features you need for your content.
I'm not 100% sure what will I do. I know I want to make short movies in my free time, but will also be making paid stuff. That's why I said I don't care about FF and stabilization. I know that's something people want when they are making YT, or let's say documentaries. Why is looking at the body format a wrong thing? I'm gonna be using that camera and I want that to be pleasant? I'll probably be going for the pocket 6K, because I owned a 4K and I had just a few issues with it, which 6K basically solves all, EXCEPT a ugly big body that's pain to carry around. I would not care if it was a still camera, but to this day I do not understand why they craate cinema-like camera and just put it to the stills-like body, when most of the people rig up the camera anyways.
Just wait a tiny bit for the Pyxis 6K. Uses the same exact sensor as BMCC6K FF but has a box style body. Shippings will start this summer.
Pyxis legit seems like a great camera, but probably not for me. I don't really want to pay extra ~~1000$~~ 1400$ for the boxed body and "worse" sensor for me. I still prefer APSC over FF. But props to BM, great piece.
I've been using the 6K Pro for 2 years, but I really hate the fact that it's an EF Mount camera which is almost obsolete at this point. Incredibly poor convertibility, hard to find newer lenses for it (especially cine glass) and actually adds to the bulk of the whole body. Considering your needs, I still think the FF version is an incredible offer for the price, it's still on sale for 1,500$ on B&H which is a STEAL for the specs. Tomorrow's the deadline for the deal, so keep that in mind if you decide to consider it. Edit: You probably know about it but the FF version uses an L mount which opens up a lot of options for glasses you may want to use.
Yea you are right about the EF. I would rather have RF or L. But it's somethign managable, atleast for me. Also the sale on B&H is insane, but sadly I'm not from US.
Then I'd heavily favor either the XH2S or the S5IIX in your case. The Lumix option is a full frame sensor, but it offers external BRAW recording which is fantastic assuming you're also a DaVinci user. It's also a great deal for the price, one of the most underrated cameras with incredible specs in its price range. As for the XH2S, I seriously consider that camera to be one of the best, if not the best, S35 mirrorless cameras out there right now. Amazing color science, great image both in video and photo realms. Just the ability to shoot open gate alone makes me favor it over an FX30.
I went down the same exact rabbit hole as you last year - I landed at the Fujifilm X-H2s and really love it. Here’s my short [write up](https://rivalfutures.id/fujifilm-for-fun/) if you’re interested. If you do end up going Fujifilm, DM me and I’ll send you a bunch of resources based on your production needs!
I picked up my fx30+xlr handle a couple weeks ago. Couldn’t be happier. When I started out I fell into the trap of thinking professional videography was “full frame or nothing”….sold my FF glass and picked up a couple amazing apsc lenses (tamron 17-70 f2.8 is especially fantastic and versatile). Low light on the fx30 gets a bad wrap, but it’s very very usable. 4K 60fps works beautifully. And the crop at 120 isn’t a deal breaker either, still very very usable and can adapt your frame. I also looked at getting the BM 6k pro, was super tempting but it’s lack of continuous autofocus was my ultimate deal breaker. Fx30s AF is fucking mind blowing. Perfect for the style of videos I shoot (run and gun). What do you have against the e mount? I guess my only “complaint” switching to Sony (I was a canon dude for years) is their color science….again, not a deal breaker, but canons colors generally seemed more natural to me…. but obviously this is all adjustable in post. Anyways, don’t ditch the fx30 idea just yet. Maybe track one down and give it a try.
Based on your wihslist the Pocket 6K seems to fit
Canon R7 is APSC and does 4k/60
C70/C500II, FX3/FX6 or A9III + Atomos Ninja. Transcode to ProRes RAW to CDNG with metadata change to Panasonic camera for native RAW support with V Log in Davinci
Honestly C70, FX3 or Komodo is my dream. And is exactly what I'm planning on renting, but I also want to own something budgety.
Nikon have just released Z6III with 6k 60p internal N RAW and ProRes RAW for 2500$. 9 ms rolling shutter. But you'll have to do noise reduction on post since it only has ±10 stops of DR out of the box. Also no redundant recording options for video.