That Dark Naaru are Void Lords. A lot of people accept this as fact, with the only evidence we have being a couple void naaru used similar models to the TBC Dimensius model. Outside of using similar generic voidwalker models and one vague Xal'atath whisper, there's no evidence or mention of it ever. It also doesn't help that dark naaru sometimes have their own unique models, as seen in the Seat of the Triumvirate.
Not really considering a corrupted naru would just wipe out the place if it was an actual voidlord
Then again blizzard never really went into that deep enough for us to knowing it’s one or the other
Maybe a corrupted naru could eventually become a voidlords if it amasses enough power
Well said. And Ofcourse the power levels are skewed.
A VoildLord is significantly more powerful than a Nauru.
Sargeras was willing to annihilate all life in the universe to stop them.
Honestly I don’t and never have trusted the windchimes.
But making them a Jekyll and Hyde type thing where they can become Void LORDS as opposed to just shadow/void beings is kinda boring to me and I hope it doesn’t become canon as, like you said, there’s no evidence for it at present.
I mean, isn't Naaru are opposition is old gods according to "map of world powers" and Dark Naaru are corrupted ones, not born this way? By this logic, void lords should different entities.
maybe the prime ones like Xera, Xal'atath hints at a connection at least while in the Priest Order hall. and i believe only normal naaru are there, not prime naarus.
>They are merely beloved brethren that lost the true path
That the night elves joined the Alliance because of the orcs (either Grom killing Cenarius or continued aggression in Ashenvale).
Now to be entirely fair this was mentioned in the (now non canonical) RPG and this has very, very recently been canonized with Season of Discovery, but for the longest time there was simply no reason given for the Kaldorei joining the Alliance. Nothing in the manual, on the website, in quests or supplementary material. They kinda just did.
The Chronicle books notably skip over the Night Elves joining the Alliance. It covers the forsaken joining the horde (Sylvanas sent messengers to both factions looking to join and only the horde messenger came back) but jumps from the night elves being independent to being in the Alliance.
As far as headcanons go, the idea that the Night Elves joined the Alliance as a geopolitical maneuver to force Thrall to pump the brakes on his logging operations is a pretty reasonable one. Occam’s razor definitely points that way.
its not directly mentioned but its alluded to in the game manual that its Staghelm's doing pushing for a more expansionism. There is also evidence in-game when Staghelm orders the Trolls in Alterac valley to be killed over the idea that Night elfs came from Trolls.
People dont usually mention Staghelm as part of Night elf lore, i assume because not many nowadays played when he was considered a important night elf character.
>or continued aggression in Ashenvale).
This as a reason would be weird cause Vanilla show almost zero help from the EK Alliance about Orc aggression in Ashenvale. There aren't even many NE quests about it, mostly you're fighting demons or at the very best the Forsaken.
Well it’d have been more of a geopolitical thing. An alliance of convenience to tell the Horde “Hey, knock it off or this cold war is going to get really hot!” In exchange, the Alliance got a check on Horde influence In Kalimdor as well as free passage through Night Elf lands.
It’s the same reason the Forsaken joined The Horde. To get the Alliance to back off so they could redirect their focus towards the Scourge and Scarlet Crusade. Meanwhile Thrall got to establish a much stronger Horde presence in the EK.
People constantly repeat that the undead are resistant to void corruption as a lore fact, but the only evidence is that one quest in wotlk where they have mindless ghouls mining the saronite. It could just be that being mind controlled by one force makes you resistant to other mind meddling.
It’s fine as a headcanon but I get iffy on stating it as fact when people are speculating on all the void stuff coming up, like saying that the forsaken are naturally resistant to void whispers.
People will use the argument that Dks can use Saronite without going mad. But forget that there is a method that nulifies the madness inducing whispers of the material.
There's also evidence that the Void is afraid of undeath and also cannot easily claim that which Death already has. Now granted, that evidence was also in relation to Sylvanas, so it could have been less about Death overall and just her and the Jailer.
Those whispers were definitely about the Jailer. N'zoth also tells us the same as the ones in the Three Sisters comic. He says he is the only one that can save us from Sylvanas and her plans. Illgynoth whispers also heavily foreshadowed the Jailer.
The void was terrified of being dominated, basically. Since in other cases they not just aren't scared of the undead, but active create undead themselves (WOTA trilogy had an undead monster and also Shadowmoon Valley).
That Thrall lost his connection to the elements because he used magic during the Mak’gora with Garrosh. It’s hecka dumb in the first place and has never been stated anywhere.
I dont think he lost his connection but that he (the writers) "forgot" that he was a shaman. There were so many missed opportunities with him after that. I will be interested to see if he "remembers" in the War Within.
Nah, it was pretty clear that he was a shaman. He literally lost the faith in himself and to be a proper leader.
Like. He literally killed Garrosh using the elements in the duel, literally pointing out that he is not a warrior as he does not fight with strength alone.. How they could have forgot he is a shaman?
No if you do the Shaman questline in Legion we learn that his bond with the elements grew much weaker after killing Garrosh.
I assume Garrosh’s last words got under Thrall’s skin and he’s too plagued with self-doubt to be respected by the spirits. (I don’t think they ever spelled that out though.)
This one always gets me. Malf basically is supposed to be some all powerful druid but we never get anything other players have done in some form. At best he can flip between druid specializations on a dime efficiently but if that's all a top tier druid can do, it feels very underwhelming. In no media has he done anything so phenomenal it puts him at a point of terrifying but he's SUPPOSED to be. He has no feats that really beat out things like Illidan wiping out thousands of demons in moments (regardless of sacrifices made) or Jaina just ready to cause a natural disaster. Jaina has constantly in game and books outperformed people like Malfurion, yet he's still lauded as some monster to be fearful of. It's a problem with WoW storytelling (especially of the last decade) with it being all tell don't show, and we have nothing to go off of except word of mouth
I get the feeling if malfurion actually got mad the entire planet would crack in half in an instant at this point. That's how much they build it up but we see nothing from it
He has that one during WotA where he forced Archimonde to retreat.
But yeah, other than that it’s all other characters praising him. The whole shade Xavius kidnapping him too really downplays him as well.
Yeah, summoning a storm that can push back the Burning Legion for *days* is a pretty big feat. Jaina, even with the Focusing Iris, could only summon a big tsunami.
That Illidari have unique powers or unique demon souls depending on what demon they consumed in their ritualistic ceremony.
Actually there are no demon souls inside their mind, they ARE the demon now and it conveys no unique powers, skills, or mindset that would be otherwise unattainable or unnatural to other Illidari.
But that's boring, it's just more fun to believe you can eat Felhunters or Felguard and get different unique mutations.
I'll add some nuance that different demon hunters *can* have different physical attributes. We have at least two examples in-game where you can grow [wings and hooves,](https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/0/0e/DH_DPS_Female_05_PNG.png) or [spikes and claws](https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/6/6c/DH_Tank_Male_03_PNG.png). Very plausible to think you could also grow other things like tentacles, additional pairs of arms, or else.
I'll adlit this is pure cope on my part, but I remember a female demon hunter /flirt line as "Hey, did you know we abqorb the powers of the demons we kill? And I've hunted a *lot* of succubi~"?
It's a misconception.
The point of the Illidan novel is that the MC was NEVER speaking to any inner demon, it was merely a reflection of himself and the corruption of his own soul.
The voices, whispers, or anything else is just the mind teetering towards insanity.
That Kul tirans are big because of drust ancestry.
It was actually told in the Blizzcon presentation of BFA that they were just tough because they hunted sea monsters.
The context of both of these answers is important.
The “big because sea monsters” was from Ion, and wasn't really presented as a lore thing, not that he's reliable regarding lore to begin with. It was very offhanded. Ion cares a lot about the game, but NOT the game’s story, and IMO one should never take everything he says at face value. Personally, I don’t count it when we have enough hints pointing to a better answer.
The other came from an interview with Afrasiabi(?), I believe. Someone asked if the Drust were Vry’kul and got a surprisingly direct “yes” answer. The other half comes from Talia specifically saying many of the strongest warriors come from Drustvar. Frankly, it makes more sense than “fighting monsters genetically makes you grow twice as large”.
The Blizzcon presentation I'm thinking of was not from Ion, it was from some funny little dude that appeared very nervous on stage. [I put the timestamp here.](https://youtu.be/D3rO6Mg396w?feature=shared&t=49)
As for the Afriasiabi video, [is it the one you were thinking about ?](https://youtu.be/8nGnT6WZbeI?feature=shared&t=381) Because he's talking about the relationship between the drusts and the vrykuls.
That Turalyon is some sort of light fanatic who is going to crusade though Azeroth. There has been zero prove of this and if anything he is the shinning example of being accepting for Paladins. They guy has a void elf wive and even then he still loves her and accepts her, he forgave Illidian for killing his god and accepted Alonsus even in his undead. He even convinced his wife to stop being so racist
I'm not sure where it came from either. Maybe the maghar orc quest chain with the army of light. It's also bleeding into Canon a bit. Matthias Shaw has a bit of gossip with Genn Graymane that shows he keeps information from Turalyon, maybe showing distrust. Though that may be a nothingburger.
I hope it is a nothing burger because one thing is for him to make mistakes and another is to fundamentally change his character because x YouTuber wanted clicks.
In fact how do you reconcile Alleria character arc of protecting her family with him going the deep end? It just doesn’t
Because the Light is the one cosmic power we haven't seen go full evil yet, at least on an expansion scale. People want the Army of the Light to be the catalyst, and they are under some form of control. You see the glow disappear from Turalyon's eyes when Illidan kills Xe'ra. What's to say the Light can't mind control those who have been Lightforged?
I love how people continue to think that Xe'ra was mindcontrolling the Army of the Light despite the mountains upon mountains of evidence to the contrary.
Even if that would be a possibility you have to acknowledge this. Allerias arc is about protecting her family. If she has to fight her own husband then the whole point of resisting the whispers becomes void. Do you see it?
> he keeps information from Turalyon, maybe showing distrust.
I think it's less mistrust and more that if Anduin wanted to be found he would have indicated so. Turalyon still technically ranks below Anduin so he doesn't have an immediate right to know everything Anduin is doing.
I imagine that if the info was concerning literally anyone else they would have relayed it to Turalyon quickly.
THANK YOU!
Turalyon is literally the most upstanding character the Alliance currently has. An infinitely better candidate for High King than Anduin "Azeroth's Biggest Hypocrite" Wrynn.
There’s an element of the fanbase that is desperate for a “The Light is just as bad as the void!” Storyline. Turalyon is seen as the most likely vehicle for that.
Despite the fact that one of these forces is shown to be an evil force that drives people insane and turns them against their allies. While the other heals wounds, inspires people and encourages doing the right thing (as you understand it at least)
I have no doubt we’ll get a “The Light isn’t as great as you think it is” moment down the line, but the two definitely don’t seem to be comparable at this point in time.
I can see that, the desperation lol. Sure I also see some conflict down the line but Turalyon is not going to be the bad apple, if anything the enabler that repents and fights for what we know of his character. Such as his deep love for his family, for Azeroth and the alliance. If anything they forget that Allerias whole character arc is about protecting her family, both Turalyon and Arator. It is incompatible for Turalyon to become the baddie with that
It also semi lines up with the whole “Alliance will be as bad as the Horde was!” crowd during that whole legion the shadowlands story where people were desperate for NW Tyrande or Genn or Turalyon to go carpet bomb orgrimmar so that the alliance would have a “turn being evil”
But... but... don't you remember how his eyes seemed to glow that one time while in the presence of something really bright and then stopped the moment that really bright thing was destroyed?
Incontrovertible proof he's secretly a light zealot.
All that other stuff is just him hiding his true self.
The bright eyes, my dude.
Bright.
Eyes.
People have placed this expectation that he is going to turn evil and they will be sorely dissapointed when this doesn’t happen.
Turalyon will make mistakes, otherwise he would be a boring character, probably enabling something bad happening but he is not going to be bad because that is exactly what the alternative future showed.
His character has a few characteristics that make him himself. He is devout but can see to reason, he LOVES his family to the point it trumps all the rest, main prove he is still with Alleria who he has fixed the relationship with even if she is the main embodiment of the void.
The only possibility of him turning extremist is if his wife gets consumed by the void. Otherwise discard that possibility.
Perhaps he will die, but for sure it would be an heroic one, not a he has turned evil we need to vanquish him.
And all these theories came from the shadowrising book in which Alleria is the one who makes the bad moves and convinced him to help her with explicit approval of anduin
Yeah.
No chance that Turalyon would be some kind of light blinded baddy without making him wildly out of character or actually possessed by something.
He could be a good source of conflict if Blizzard wants to show tensions within the Alliance. I could see him working against the PC's interests for legitimately good reasons. Or being reluctant to hand power back over to Anduin after he disappeared for half a decade. Not because he's a power-hungry zealot, but because there's good reason to think maybe that's not the best idea. (I say that as an Anduin fan who supports him taking time off to work through his issues).
Nothing that would end with him being a loot piñata.
Exactly my same thoughts. Turalyon is not going to be a villain he may become anduins antagonist because of political reasons but he if he dies it will be an heroic death not some dumb he is now a zealot when the last we saw of him he had fully accepted Alleria becoming void empowered. I seriously don’t see the PC killing Turalyon, if anything his character points to eventually realising his mistakes and take the role of hero against a possible light antagonist
A void elf wife he questioned and was willing to kill should the Naaru have told him. It's why Alleria was moving away from him and towards the void, because he was fanatical about the light. He's likely toned down since Illidan disenchanted the Naaru, but even Velen wasn't so blind, and he had more contact with the Naaru his entire life. Turalyon was not an exemplary paladin, that was Tirion, who saw pass racism back before WC3, with Eitrigg. Turalyon was fanatical and needed to be humbled and see he was losing his hot elf wife to the void before he came to his senses
Alright time to go down the rabbit hole. Legion was the first and only time WoW got 'morally grey' right despite that BFA was supposed to be that, stupid since they did it right with characters like Xe'ra, Alleria, Turalyon, Illidan, Velen, Kil'jaeden etc. During the Argus story we're told that both the Light and the Void tell half truths in order to manipulate others, Xe'ra admits to us they never confirm to us the full truth of what they tell us either.
Kil'Jaeden was shown a horrible future along with Archimonde and Velen if they did not join the Legion, this was a half truth. The next half truth is the Prophecy that Xe'ra tries to impose on Illidan, the biggest issue shown here is the Void, Fel and Light have their own agendas and have little care for what anyone else says or does to oppose this. Xe'ra willing to forcibly make Illidan accept the light verges on Scarlet Crusade fanaticism.
During Alleria's quest to accept the void, we see another vision here; after seeing some of the past with Archimonde, Kil'Jaeden and Velen, we see Alleria being deemed a heretic and hunted down by Turalyon for this. It's also confirmed by her teacher, that the Void like the Light tell half truths, and that it is a possibility this is an outcome. This is something avoided by obviously Illidan unaliving Xe'ra.
Turalyon, Anduin and Velen even discuss this events, with Anduin stating what Xe'ra had done was wrong, and that is not the will of the light, to be forced on others, but simply a decision made by individuals to have the light guide them. Velen and Anduin do not condone Illidan's actions because Xe'ra was deemed wrong for this and Illidan just in his actions.
But sure "My source is I made it up" when the Argus questline is basically all this
That is absolutely not true. He begged for her to leave just so she was safe begged for her life. He was killing to kill his wife? LOL What. I recommend to read/listen to the canon stories and not forum posts.
Preach!
Prreeeeeach!!!!
When I think defender of justice and those who cannot defend themselves: Tirion.
I cannot express how much I love his story arch. Sucks he had to die for us to get ashbringer
That the sword was forgotten about.
we legit drained the evil out of it at the end of legion sacrificing some of the most powerful weapons to ever exist to do it and then spent an entire expac with Magni healing the damage… sorry, Woonz!
This is partly a game-presentation issue.
The quests where we drain the sword were only in the game for *three weeks* and then removed, at the end of the expansion which is usually when subs are lowest. And they were removed in the pre-patch so a good month before BFA even launched and a bunch of players returned. Far more people missed the quests then experienced them.
And while the point of a lot of activities in BFA were to heal the world soul, they never actually showed much of the "healing" and didn't have a big moment where that was displayed. Just Magni going "She is healed champions!" at the end.
Both combined really hurt the player perception of what went on with the sword.
People will often claim that Theramore was a neutral city/Just a military base in order to justify/downplay the bombing, but in reality it was always an alliance city with a large population, since it was formed from the survivors of Lordaeron, Dalaran and Quelthalas.
And it was openly at war with the Horde in Cataclysm, with Northwatch marines burning Taurajo, invading Durotar, and attempting to invade Mulgore.
They even besieged the crossroads and took Honor's Stand prior to the Cataclysm.
It’s kinda hard for us as players to grasp since towns and cities are much larger in lore than in game.
I feel like it’d be worth it to do events where we timewalk and see things in actual scale at some point. Kinda like the purging of strat but expand the map and add a lot of flavor NPC
Yeah it's amazing how Chris managed to sweep the fact that Theramore was the main gateway for Varian's invasion force under the rug at the beginning of MoP and everyone just went along with that.
Garrosh's decision to destroy Theramore was entirely logical.
This idea that Tauren and Night Elves actually give a shit about each other.
I see people parrot the idea that the Nelfs and Tauren are actually really close and are only kept apart because of gameplay restrictions. But if you press people on why they think this, the best they can usually come up with is the Cenarion Circle.
For one thing, druidism is not really that big of a deal for Tauren. Hell a time where Tauren druids weren’t even a thing is well within living memory. Druids are highly respected by the Tauren but the Tauren don’t revolve around druids as a cultural cornerstone like Night Elves do. And when in it comes to the druids in either society most are only loosely affiliated with the Cenarion Circle with only a small minority being full time members.
Anyway the Tauren and Night Elves are NOT bffs and as far as we know, their last meaningful contact before the Third War was the War of the Ancients.
On the other side of the fence "the Tauren are resentful towards the Night Elves for not helping against the Centuar and that's why they don't mind fighting against them in Horde's name" is a headcanon I see a lot more people repeat as fact these days.
To the best of my knowledge that's never been said once and just comes from fan theories.
There is a brief mention of a blood feed between night elves and tauren, once. No context was given behind it tho.
"After all the blood feed between night elves and the likes of trolls snd tauren dated back centuries."
-the War of the Shifting Sands short story.
It might have come from that but it seems like an abandoned concept.
I’m pretty sure chronicle states that prior to the hordes arrival the Tauren reached out to night elves for aide with the centaur and were ignored.
If your former Allies don’t intervene to save you from extinction they’re little better than enemies now.
Edit: pretty sure I’m wrong after skimming the Tauren wiki
Yeah I have no idea where that came from either. But even Platinum WoW fell for it. Which sucks because once a lore youtuber says something, it's forever canon in the minds of their brainwashed fans.
Iirc the Tauren reached out to the elves for aide prior to the horde arriving and were ignored.
Why would you be best buds with people you helped repel demons with ages ago and when you need help with smelly horsey boys they’re MIA?
Edit: pretty sure I’m wrong after skimming the Tauren wiki
> you helped repel demons with ages ago
More than ages ago. 10,000 years ago. Thats 5 times the further away then we are to Christ. Its like you being loyal to allies from 8000 BCE.
To add to that, Tauren definitely don't live for 10,000+ years like Night Elves do. Their involvement in the War of the Ancients is ancient history to them
Funny you should mention the Flamewakers. I was catching up with a childhood friend (we both played classic and stopped playing before Wrath of The Lich King launched back in the day.) We were drinking talking about how fun Molten Core was and he kept mentioning the Naga while I (pretty tipsy) argued with him that there were no Naga in Molten Core. Took me like 15 minutes to figure out what he was talking about.
A big one is probably the idea that the Old Gods weren't really dead when we killed them in-game.
I think official sources have always consistently described them as dead, but there was a very strong fan belief that they were just beaten back into their prisons and every time something would come up describing them as dead, we'd get backlash from people calling it a retcon.
People didn't think the Old Gods were dead because at the time, nothing said they were dead. The only two that were confirmed as dead by devs until the most recent blizzcon were C'thun and Y'shaarj, with the Legion expansion and the Exploring Northrend book even indicating Yogg'saron was still alive and just contained. If anything, Yogg being dead right now is a retcon. N'zoth of course was dead after Ny'alotha and the community was in denial.
Y'shaarj is... confusing. Despite being "dead", his mind was fully intact inside of his heart. Even more, Xal'atoh is a weapon created from his power that's very similar to Xal'atath. It whispers to the player with special interactions when you so things and seems to have a direct fragment of Y'shaarjs mind inside of it, because its voice is the same one you hear when you're inside Y'shaarjs heart.
Nothing said that they were dead because it didn't have to. They didn't have to confirm that Nefarian was dead in the previous tier, because his corpse said "Dead" when you hovered over it. In fact, C'thun actually went one step further and dropped a quest item with text reading that "you have destroyed an ancient evil older than the world itself".
Additionally, during Blizzcon 2010, someone asked why the world hadn't blown up if we'd killed the Old Gods, and their off-the-cuff answer was "Haven't you played any Cata? The world DID just blow up because of the Old Gods". Obviously this isn't quite accurate, but it does speak to the fact that they had very much been assuming that it was clear that the two Old God corpses were proof enough that they were dead.
And it's not like they didn't have the technology to make it clear that an enemy was just beaten back rather than dead. We see that in Sunwell Plateau. Maybe it wouldn't have been possible during Classic, but they certainly could have done it for Yogg Saron. Instead, they had him scream as he was dying that "Your fate is sealed. The end of days is finally upon you and ALL who inhabit this miserable little seedling. Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh." A Dev would later translate that Shath'yar portion as "The shadow of my corpse will choke this land for all eternity."
>People didn't think the Old Gods were dead because at the time, nothing said they were dead.
By your own account 3/4 were said to be dead. And Yogg'saron's death quote was translated by Sean Copeland on twitter to be referencing him as dying ("The shadow of my corpse will choke this land for all eternity.")
The Old Gods were always killed, Y'shaarj just demonstrates that them being dead doesn't remove their influence entirely.
There are definitely interviews out there that left it vague, like after defeating Yogg, they said we just beat a part of it, like cutting off a toe. In the comics, before they were partially retconned, C'thun was very much alive and speaking to Cho'gall.
So basically, it's complicated.
>There are definitely interviews out there that left it vague, like after defeating Yogg, they said we just beat a part of it, like cutting off a toe
Do you have a source of this? I've always heard it said by fans, but never an official source
I'm not sure I'd be able to find it tbh, it was Wrath era for sure. I wanna say it was a Blizzcon Q&A, but I'm not positive. I do remember seeing it myself because I was super into the Old God lore during that time, but that's about it.
I believe the comics are partially responsible for this, the concept that there is “dead” in terms of a corporeal form that can be defeated and “dead” in terms of a spiritual form that can be killed.
The idea of death being complicated for old gods was further reinforced by things like Y’shaarj wounding the planet and his continuing influence despite being dead, to the point that even his desiccated severed heart was still him, or the Saronite blood of Yogg’saron still carrying his influence. The narrative that the Titans had to imprison these gods instead of killing them is hard to reconcile with the fact that the mortal champions of Azeroth can simply pick them off one by one with no consequences.
What makes you think there's no consequence to the way we're killing the old gods?
Well, N'zoth might've been destroyed without negative influence due to hiding in Ny'alotha when we blew him up, but Yog and C'thun might be bleeding all over Sithilus and Northrend and corrupting the shit out of it without us actually knowing.
Its not that difficult to reconcile, specially when you know that the titans feared harming the planet, not that they couldnt.
It at least makes more sense than the old gods being inexplicably powerfull but also being able to be imprisioned like it was before.
I think chronicles cleared it up with how Aman'thul killed Y'saarj, creating the giant wound that had titans and keepers "fix" enough for it to become the Well of, Eternity.
The natural assumption was that they didn’t actually die and we just fought them back
Further supported by the fact that the first killing of an old god almost killed the whole planet and the aftermath is the sha being a thing
Eventually they ended up clearly stating that actually we killed them
>Eventually they ended up clearly stating that actually we killed them
They stated this from the start, however. It was just fans wanting to believe otherwise.
Yes. But somehow his mind was still partially intact, because he directly speaks to the player during the Garrosh fight or if you're holding the weapon Xal'atoh(sound familiar?). His heart was still beating and 'alive' when it was dug up. I'm certain he's dead, but his full death only came at the end of MoP when Garrosh drained his heart for power.
I legitimately feel that MoP has the most slept on hardcore Warcraft lore. Y’Shaarj is felt throughout the entire expansion looming over the war between the horde and alliance. It peaks with SoO which still stands as top 3 goats at time of release.
This is all my opinion of course
Let me add up to this.
Ever since Old gods were introduced in Warcraft, not only were they always killable but we had their deaths confirmed multiple times over different canons.
* The Rpg mentions that they were killable.
* We go into Ahn quiraj to kill C'thun and he is confirmed dead in the Med'an comic
* Yogg Saron screaming ' The shadow of my corpse...'
* Y'shaarj's heart that was **revived.**
What happens is that there a quotes in separate midias tha make the Old gods to be outside of cycle of Life and death and the idea that if they fully escape, even Sargeras would fear their powers.
That however has never being meanigful in any shape or form except in the minds of the community.
Also the whole "outside of life" and "would make sargeras" afraid were from 1 character in the WotA books. I never get why people never think that characters in stories could be wrong in their assumptions.
People keep saying it took a titan to kill Yshaarj and it almost wrecked the planet yada yada.
What they dont get that the players are basically Azeroth's immune system. The titans tried to rip out a parasite while we went and surgically destroyed it at the source.
Blizzard said that the Old Gods might return if a sufficiently strong harbinger of the Void comes to Azeroth. Which is the plot of TWW but the Old Gods ain't back.
They are dead, Jim.
I dunno if this is quite true, but I don't think the WoD clans exist anymore, I think there were all merged into one tribe the Mag'har.
I know the tabard refers to Clans but outside of that they are usually referred to as a collective tribe and never individual clans.
The wiki list the clans as members of the Horde but WoW has never actually said that.
Well, we know from the Orc heritage quest that the Horde Orcs still identify with their clans (and that its experiencing a cultural revival), so even if the Mag’har DID disband their clans, it’s probably safe to assume that they have/will bring them back, too.
The Orc Heritage quests are actually what made me think about it and why I came to that conclusion.
I actually think either the Mag'har will either move further away from clan identities into the "One Tribe" to strike a greater difference between Durotar orcs and Mag'har;
Or they'll be merged with the MU clans.
I don't think it'd safe to say they'll bring them back because I don't think Blizzard is going to have two Frostwolf clans, two Blackrock clans, etc. It seems weird to have six sets of clans with the same name and themes.
Maybe they'll use the AU orcs to revitalise dead clans like the Thunderlords, but the way the Orc Heritage quests treated the Burning Blade and Shadowmoon i doubt it.
Oh, yeah, that was what I was thinking-the Mag’har re-embracing their clan heritages, but there’s still just one of each clan, with both Azerothian and Mag’har Orc members.
That said, I think the idea of the Mag’har developing into a completely different Orcish culture and society would be MUCH more interesting-but I don’t know that blizz will go that route. Especially with the Mag’har living exclusively on Azeroth, among their Azerothian kin. But a girl can hope! XD
I think having a second orc nation would be more interesting, though Blizz seems to want to make the races more intertwine so I doubt we'll see a unique nation.
Reckon they don't want to overly mingle the identities of the orcs we've been with since WC1 and time travelling alternate deminsion orcs. Which is also why I doubt we'll see dead clans revived this way, since they'll always be tied to the alternate timeline stuff.
Having Relka Bloodfyre show up talking about her her clan is dead and that's okay makes me think they won't have Maghar orcs revive the clan.
And.... I think that's okay. Having two orc nations, Durotar and the Maghar, is better imo. You can separate them with the Durotar orcs reclaiming their old roots while Maghar go more into industry snd technology to separate them.
Illidan’s entire character was rewritten for Legion because fans misunderstood his story from WC3 to Burning Crusade. He said from the outset that he was only ever interested in power for himself and that he didn’t give a damn about the night elves or Azeroth. But the fans thought he was so cool that they gaslit themselves into thinking he was morally righteous, and then in 2016 the writers drank the Kool-Aid themselves and “redeemed” him to reflect what the fans wanted. Go back and read anything about Illidan from before 2016 and you’ll see what I mean. He was unambiguously evil.
For example, sure, he remade the well to defeat the Legion in case of a second return... But the idea that his sole driving motive was to destroy the Legion? Well, for a start he originally only helped against the Legion in WC3 because of Tyrande, he explicitly took the Skull of Gul'dan's energies because of his own lust for power (gee, Khadgar never needed to absorb them to use its power!), and his service to Kil'jaeden in TFT was about *self preservation*.
That's not the actions and motives of a man who spent millennia wanting to destroy them, is it? And then apparently he was all but completely over Tyrande by TBC? I'm not saying this is *definitely* what happened, but there's a couple of other moments in King's novel that tells me he was cribbing from the old RPG book... A couple of which are almost verbatim from *Maiev's* profile.
Similarly people paint Arthas as more noble than he was because usually characters within his trope start out more pure and good (like anduin). When I finally played WCIII I was struck by how unsympathetic he was from the very beginning.
If the characters who knew him misremember him being better than he was that's one thing.
But in game he's kind of a prick. Feels like all the new retcons make him more noble to make his descent into villainy more tragic. But in game its like..... yeah he would become a villain.
Yeap - and he was definitely intended to be unsympathetic. The Warcraft III manual explains what Kel'Thuzard meant in-game when he said the Lich King planned for Arthas to become his champion from the very beginning - with Ner'Zhul's psychic powers, he was able to sense the darkness in Arthas' heart and found him suitable from that.
I think the Arthas novel does try to make him seem more sympathetic in parts, which may lead to the perception of him as being noble.
Even in the Culling of Stratholme instance, Arthas is very dutiful and at best detached from what he's doing. Arthas was never a good person, people think he is for the reason you said but metatextually he's supposed to be a total subversion of a "noble paladin" from the get-go, not just after getting Frostmourne.
I agree that Legion contradicted A LOT of TBC, but in fairness, there *was* a questline in Cata Felwood that deliberately painted Illidan’s villainy in a more ambiguous light.
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
Which is why my headcanon is that none of what happened in WoW is canon but more like a „what if”. I refuse to accept 90% of the bullshit that writers peddle simply because of how shallow, cliche and idiotic it is.
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
I vividly remember hearing in a video during like 2017ish that there was this lore bit with the original wielder of T'uure, beacon of the naaru (holy priest artifact in legion) used the staff while the draenei were being ambushed by the legion after landing the Genedar ship on a planet somewhere between argus and draenor, and I was sooooo adamant for the longest time that 88 draenei stayed behind on that world, including the wielder of T'uure, and sacrificed themselves fighting the legion in order to buy time for the Genedar and the rest of the draenei to escape back into space, and that now every year, the draenei had a sort of memorial celebration to honor the 88 that sacrificed themselves that day.
However, beyond the wielder of T'uure buying time for the Genedar to escape and dying in the process, the staff being lost to the legion, every other bit that I remember learning/hearing never happened, and doesn't exist within the lore.
It weirds me out all the time.
That the worgen curse isn't inherited. Blizz themselves in an interview during Cata have said that it's a magical curse and thus two worgen having children doesn't mean the child is also a worgen. Meaning that Gilneas being full of worgen is only temporary.
counterpoint: despite Word of God from the devs saying otherwise, logically the curse should be hereditary. we are shown that biting and blood ingestion transmit the curse. whether it is saliva or some magical property of specifically the act of biting another being that spreads it, i'm not sure. but a pregnant mother and her child(ren) share blood during pregnancy. we know blood transmits the curse from the silverpine questline. therefore, a worgen mother should transmit the curse to her offspring. you're free to guess if *other* body fluids could transmit the curse to someone else for a different hereditary route.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me Blizz has forgotten that they said that based on what is implied in the Worgen heritage questline and it being close to 10 or so years since the interview, that being said as far as I'm aware they haven't said anything else countering the point. But I agree with you.
A lot of things blizz says in interviews should be taken with a grain of salt. It's usually something they have to come up with on the spot and we're just supposed to take it at face value forever?
What part about the heritage questline do you mean?
Back to your original point about the Worgen part of Gilneas/Gilneans being temporary I disagree. As you can see with Tess and the silverpine questline, there are going to be people out there who want to become Worgen. Unless every last Worgen dies out, the curse can always spread. Even then, some random druid might decide to shapeshift into a wolf once again and start it all over.
(I still think it's dumb that they didn't turn tess into a worgen. We have enough generic young human women characters in the game that all look identical. It's also a slap in the face to every worgen player to have a "racial" leader who isn't even your race!)
I meant specifically when tess said something along the lines of "in order to understand my people I have to understand the curse" and while I agree some random druid could turn into a wolf I meant specifically in Gilneas. In Silverpine those people willingly turned into Worgen because it was either that or be turned into undead. Unless it becomes part of Gilean culture to make more, the current Worgen living in Gilneas will eventually grow old and die hence my implications of it being temporary. Don't get my wrong I honestly have no issue with the lore being if you stand close to a worgen the curse may pass to you or something like that but I just wanted to point out that as far as any news from Blizz on the matter the only way to make more Worgen is to drink Worgen blood, or be bitten by them.
I know a lot of people who seem to think Genn Greymane ate a million orc babies, when for the most part he’s just kind of been rude to and generally combative towards the Horde.
I think it’s a mix of cut/moved around content and people wishing there was more shades of grey in that particular story.
This one might be a retcon or me misremembering, but I swear when BfA came out the devs insisted Sylvanas burned the tree because Saurfang failed to kill Malfurion
That was backed up by the short stories before though when Sylvanas was convincing Saurfang to start the War of Thorns / how to.
She even says something like we can’t hold the tree if Malfurion / Tyrande live, and we *must* secure Kalimdor now or there is no future for the Horde. Also something like the siege engines are only there as a threat, *Unless…*
People keep spouting this nonsense about how the way Paladins and Priests use the Holy Light is different. They say that Paladins "internalize" the Light while Priests don't? I have yet to come across any media that even remotely implies this other than reddit comments. The Light is the Light. You use it with faith, willpower, and the desire to do good. Literally the only difference between priests and paladins is priests are trained to use the light mainly to heal and paladins learn how to use heavy armor and weaponry so they can use the Light in a more offensive/defensive manner in addition to healing. This unfortunately creates a side effect where paladins are seen as a sort of "prestige class" for priests because they can do what a priest can do but more.
biggest one, and wow players are so desperate not to accept it that they will argue against it even here, is that elune did deliberately allow teldrassil to burn to save ardenweald. this is confirmed in the stay a while with tyrande and shandris after the end of shadowlands. they talk about how elune allowed teldrassil to burn, but they now realize it's ok that she did because ardenweald is beautiful. this is after tyrande was in direct communion with elune so there's no way she is getting it wrong
this is a case of warcraft's lore being so stupid that the players overwhelmingly rejected what it was telling them. and correctly so.
>I don't think anyone genuinely thinks that.
There very much are people who believe that they were flirting and have accused Golden and Blizzard of queerbaiting (which is insane because barely pubescent human boy/dragon whelpling) but true.
>But I will say those two have more chemistry than 90% of the canon WoW relationships.
*Tells Agapanthus to put this one on the list*
Well, it is an outdated concept nowadays, but there used to be this thing between two male friends called banter.
I get what you mean though and I don't actually care what people ship. Sometimes it just seems people take too much affront if you question it.
>Sometimes it just seems people take too much affront if you question it.
Which is weird AF.
In MoP, Anduin was just hitting puberty and Wrathion was a toddler.
Their "relationship" was entirely built around discussing their radically different beliefs. Anduin explicitly doesn't trust him, even if he does consider him something like a friend. Then immediately after MoP Still-a-toddler-Wrathion has still-pubescent-Anduin's head bashed in so that he can set in motion the chain of events that lead to Legion and Varian dying.
Then they don't see each other even once until BfA. (Wrathion earned that punch. Thanks N'Zoth.) Shadowlanda happens and Anduin goes on walkabout.
There is literally no point in the story that they could have developed romantic feelings for each other (without it being interspecies pedophilia), yet there are people who will swear that they are genuinely, canonically in love during Mists.
Please keep them away from the Little Scales Daycare.
Remember those cringeworthy Val'sharah quests with Tyrande yelling MALFURION MY LOVE? A common misconception that Malf calling for help is an illusion created by Xavius. It's not supported by the game itself, Malf did call for help in this way.
Absolutely correct, the dev who wrote the quest said as much on twitter some years ago. That it's a better idea and one that is "supported by the game," but ultimately didn't write the quest with that conceit in mind. Malf really did do that cringe shit.
Ow God I'm about to puke. I always thought people were being daft and that it's *CLEARLY XAVIUS' TRICKS* because of how damn cringe worthy it was for malfurion to act that way.
And you're telling me now they were right and the cringe is real?
That there's still animosity/rivalry between Draenei and blood elves. See quite a few people try to RP their characters as hardcore hating the other race when the 2 were in conflict for only part of BC and were working together by the end. There's been 0 conflict between the 2 since BC and the blood elves came out to help the Draenei in WoD and Legion as well.
The vindicaar being some kind of super wunderwaffe rather than a glorified Taxi in a setting where starships have not been remotely a problem to deal with for the denizens of Azeroth (See: Tempest keep/ all those starships in Legion that got taken out by mundane Azerothian forces)
There is no confirmation about Void Lords existence, they are just something the Nathrezim told Sargeras to scare him and twist his mind, so we don't really know if they are actually real.
In Legion during the Val'Sharah quest line that Malfurion was the one crying out for Tyrande while it was actually Xavius tricking Tyrande into following him.
That Dark Naaru are Void Lords. A lot of people accept this as fact, with the only evidence we have being a couple void naaru used similar models to the TBC Dimensius model. Outside of using similar generic voidwalker models and one vague Xal'atath whisper, there's no evidence or mention of it ever. It also doesn't help that dark naaru sometimes have their own unique models, as seen in the Seat of the Triumvirate.
More of a theory really, but yeah too many take it as fact. Could turn out to be correct.
Not really considering a corrupted naru would just wipe out the place if it was an actual voidlord Then again blizzard never really went into that deep enough for us to knowing it’s one or the other Maybe a corrupted naru could eventually become a voidlords if it amasses enough power
Ain't it all but confirmed that the Void Lords are the Pantheon of Shadow tho?
Well said. And Ofcourse the power levels are skewed. A VoildLord is significantly more powerful than a Nauru. Sargeras was willing to annihilate all life in the universe to stop them.
Honestly I don’t and never have trusted the windchimes. But making them a Jekyll and Hyde type thing where they can become Void LORDS as opposed to just shadow/void beings is kinda boring to me and I hope it doesn’t become canon as, like you said, there’s no evidence for it at present.
I’ve hated Adal since 2007
I mean, isn't Naaru are opposition is old gods according to "map of world powers" and Dark Naaru are corrupted ones, not born this way? By this logic, void lords should different entities.
maybe the prime ones like Xera, Xal'atath hints at a connection at least while in the Priest Order hall. and i believe only normal naaru are there, not prime naarus. >They are merely beloved brethren that lost the true path
That the night elves joined the Alliance because of the orcs (either Grom killing Cenarius or continued aggression in Ashenvale). Now to be entirely fair this was mentioned in the (now non canonical) RPG and this has very, very recently been canonized with Season of Discovery, but for the longest time there was simply no reason given for the Kaldorei joining the Alliance. Nothing in the manual, on the website, in quests or supplementary material. They kinda just did.
The Chronicle books notably skip over the Night Elves joining the Alliance. It covers the forsaken joining the horde (Sylvanas sent messengers to both factions looking to join and only the horde messenger came back) but jumps from the night elves being independent to being in the Alliance.
As far as headcanons go, the idea that the Night Elves joined the Alliance as a geopolitical maneuver to force Thrall to pump the brakes on his logging operations is a pretty reasonable one. Occam’s razor definitely points that way.
its not directly mentioned but its alluded to in the game manual that its Staghelm's doing pushing for a more expansionism. There is also evidence in-game when Staghelm orders the Trolls in Alterac valley to be killed over the idea that Night elfs came from Trolls. People dont usually mention Staghelm as part of Night elf lore, i assume because not many nowadays played when he was considered a important night elf character.
To be fair, Staghelm has been dead for longer than he was a faction leader at this point.
>or continued aggression in Ashenvale). This as a reason would be weird cause Vanilla show almost zero help from the EK Alliance about Orc aggression in Ashenvale. There aren't even many NE quests about it, mostly you're fighting demons or at the very best the Forsaken.
Well it’d have been more of a geopolitical thing. An alliance of convenience to tell the Horde “Hey, knock it off or this cold war is going to get really hot!” In exchange, the Alliance got a check on Horde influence In Kalimdor as well as free passage through Night Elf lands. It’s the same reason the Forsaken joined The Horde. To get the Alliance to back off so they could redirect their focus towards the Scourge and Scarlet Crusade. Meanwhile Thrall got to establish a much stronger Horde presence in the EK.
Fuuuuuck is there new quests and stuff in SOD? If so is there a list somewhere of new lore content involved?
PlatinumWoW recently did a video on some of the new lore
People constantly repeat that the undead are resistant to void corruption as a lore fact, but the only evidence is that one quest in wotlk where they have mindless ghouls mining the saronite. It could just be that being mind controlled by one force makes you resistant to other mind meddling. It’s fine as a headcanon but I get iffy on stating it as fact when people are speculating on all the void stuff coming up, like saying that the forsaken are naturally resistant to void whispers.
People will use the argument that Dks can use Saronite without going mad. But forget that there is a method that nulifies the madness inducing whispers of the material.
There's also evidence that the Void is afraid of undeath and also cannot easily claim that which Death already has. Now granted, that evidence was also in relation to Sylvanas, so it could have been less about Death overall and just her and the Jailer.
Those whispers were definitely about the Jailer. N'zoth also tells us the same as the ones in the Three Sisters comic. He says he is the only one that can save us from Sylvanas and her plans. Illgynoth whispers also heavily foreshadowed the Jailer. The void was terrified of being dominated, basically. Since in other cases they not just aren't scared of the undead, but active create undead themselves (WOTA trilogy had an undead monster and also Shadowmoon Valley).
There's also plenty of forsaken twilight hammer cultists
That Thrall lost his connection to the elements because he used magic during the Mak’gora with Garrosh. It’s hecka dumb in the first place and has never been stated anywhere.
I’ve somehow heard rumors about this back in cata/mop days iirc
I personally think he just doesn't use it out of guilt, but hey.
That was the implied reason, he lost faith in himself because of how poorly he handle Garrosh.
Has he ever truly gotten over it?
I dont think he lost his connection but that he (the writers) "forgot" that he was a shaman. There were so many missed opportunities with him after that. I will be interested to see if he "remembers" in the War Within.
Nah, it was pretty clear that he was a shaman. He literally lost the faith in himself and to be a proper leader. Like. He literally killed Garrosh using the elements in the duel, literally pointing out that he is not a warrior as he does not fight with strength alone.. How they could have forgot he is a shaman?
No if you do the Shaman questline in Legion we learn that his bond with the elements grew much weaker after killing Garrosh. I assume Garrosh’s last words got under Thrall’s skin and he’s too plagued with self-doubt to be respected by the spirits. (I don’t think they ever spelled that out though.)
Wait! Is it not because of that? Always thought that was the reason he went full warrior.
How powerful Malfurion in the books vs In-game.
This one always gets me. Malf basically is supposed to be some all powerful druid but we never get anything other players have done in some form. At best he can flip between druid specializations on a dime efficiently but if that's all a top tier druid can do, it feels very underwhelming. In no media has he done anything so phenomenal it puts him at a point of terrifying but he's SUPPOSED to be. He has no feats that really beat out things like Illidan wiping out thousands of demons in moments (regardless of sacrifices made) or Jaina just ready to cause a natural disaster. Jaina has constantly in game and books outperformed people like Malfurion, yet he's still lauded as some monster to be fearful of. It's a problem with WoW storytelling (especially of the last decade) with it being all tell don't show, and we have nothing to go off of except word of mouth
I get the feeling if malfurion actually got mad the entire planet would crack in half in an instant at this point. That's how much they build it up but we see nothing from it
He has that one during WotA where he forced Archimonde to retreat. But yeah, other than that it’s all other characters praising him. The whole shade Xavius kidnapping him too really downplays him as well.
He also held all of Darkshore together during the Cataclysm. He also soloed and Old God in the books.
Yeah, summoning a storm that can push back the Burning Legion for *days* is a pretty big feat. Jaina, even with the Focusing Iris, could only summon a big tsunami.
>Jaina just ready to cause a natural disaster. Human potential.
Found the butthurt elf
That Illidari have unique powers or unique demon souls depending on what demon they consumed in their ritualistic ceremony. Actually there are no demon souls inside their mind, they ARE the demon now and it conveys no unique powers, skills, or mindset that would be otherwise unattainable or unnatural to other Illidari. But that's boring, it's just more fun to believe you can eat Felhunters or Felguard and get different unique mutations.
> they ARE the demon now [](https://i.imgflip.com/8o8lpa.jpg)
I'll add some nuance that different demon hunters *can* have different physical attributes. We have at least two examples in-game where you can grow [wings and hooves,](https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/0/0e/DH_DPS_Female_05_PNG.png) or [spikes and claws](https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/6/6c/DH_Tank_Male_03_PNG.png). Very plausible to think you could also grow other things like tentacles, additional pairs of arms, or else.
I'll adlit this is pure cope on my part, but I remember a female demon hunter /flirt line as "Hey, did you know we abqorb the powers of the demons we kill? And I've hunted a *lot* of succubi~"?
But that's in the Illidan novel
It's a misconception. The point of the Illidan novel is that the MC was NEVER speaking to any inner demon, it was merely a reflection of himself and the corruption of his own soul. The voices, whispers, or anything else is just the mind teetering towards insanity.
Is it confirmed otherwise or is this just head cannon? I read the book when it came out so it’s been a minute.
Ah yes, true.
That Kul tirans are big because of drust ancestry. It was actually told in the Blizzcon presentation of BFA that they were just tough because they hunted sea monsters.
The context of both of these answers is important. The “big because sea monsters” was from Ion, and wasn't really presented as a lore thing, not that he's reliable regarding lore to begin with. It was very offhanded. Ion cares a lot about the game, but NOT the game’s story, and IMO one should never take everything he says at face value. Personally, I don’t count it when we have enough hints pointing to a better answer. The other came from an interview with Afrasiabi(?), I believe. Someone asked if the Drust were Vry’kul and got a surprisingly direct “yes” answer. The other half comes from Talia specifically saying many of the strongest warriors come from Drustvar. Frankly, it makes more sense than “fighting monsters genetically makes you grow twice as large”.
The Blizzcon presentation I'm thinking of was not from Ion, it was from some funny little dude that appeared very nervous on stage. [I put the timestamp here.](https://youtu.be/D3rO6Mg396w?feature=shared&t=49) As for the Afriasiabi video, [is it the one you were thinking about ?](https://youtu.be/8nGnT6WZbeI?feature=shared&t=381) Because he's talking about the relationship between the drusts and the vrykuls.
Wait it’s not? Dang I always thought the idea that some Kul’tirans are Drust hybrids to be really cool.
It is a cool idea, indeed. Which is why it gained so much traction probably.
That Turalyon is some sort of light fanatic who is going to crusade though Azeroth. There has been zero prove of this and if anything he is the shinning example of being accepting for Paladins. They guy has a void elf wive and even then he still loves her and accepts her, he forgave Illidian for killing his god and accepted Alonsus even in his undead. He even convinced his wife to stop being so racist
I'm not sure where it came from either. Maybe the maghar orc quest chain with the army of light. It's also bleeding into Canon a bit. Matthias Shaw has a bit of gossip with Genn Graymane that shows he keeps information from Turalyon, maybe showing distrust. Though that may be a nothingburger.
I hope it is a nothing burger because one thing is for him to make mistakes and another is to fundamentally change his character because x YouTuber wanted clicks. In fact how do you reconcile Alleria character arc of protecting her family with him going the deep end? It just doesn’t
Because the Light is the one cosmic power we haven't seen go full evil yet, at least on an expansion scale. People want the Army of the Light to be the catalyst, and they are under some form of control. You see the glow disappear from Turalyon's eyes when Illidan kills Xe'ra. What's to say the Light can't mind control those who have been Lightforged?
I love how people continue to think that Xe'ra was mindcontrolling the Army of the Light despite the mountains upon mountains of evidence to the contrary.
Even if that would be a possibility you have to acknowledge this. Allerias arc is about protecting her family. If she has to fight her own husband then the whole point of resisting the whispers becomes void. Do you see it?
I don’t think things will go down that route
> he keeps information from Turalyon, maybe showing distrust. I think it's less mistrust and more that if Anduin wanted to be found he would have indicated so. Turalyon still technically ranks below Anduin so he doesn't have an immediate right to know everything Anduin is doing. I imagine that if the info was concerning literally anyone else they would have relayed it to Turalyon quickly.
THANK YOU! Turalyon is literally the most upstanding character the Alliance currently has. An infinitely better candidate for High King than Anduin "Azeroth's Biggest Hypocrite" Wrynn.
There’s an element of the fanbase that is desperate for a “The Light is just as bad as the void!” Storyline. Turalyon is seen as the most likely vehicle for that. Despite the fact that one of these forces is shown to be an evil force that drives people insane and turns them against their allies. While the other heals wounds, inspires people and encourages doing the right thing (as you understand it at least) I have no doubt we’ll get a “The Light isn’t as great as you think it is” moment down the line, but the two definitely don’t seem to be comparable at this point in time.
I can see that, the desperation lol. Sure I also see some conflict down the line but Turalyon is not going to be the bad apple, if anything the enabler that repents and fights for what we know of his character. Such as his deep love for his family, for Azeroth and the alliance. If anything they forget that Allerias whole character arc is about protecting her family, both Turalyon and Arator. It is incompatible for Turalyon to become the baddie with that
It also semi lines up with the whole “Alliance will be as bad as the Horde was!” crowd during that whole legion the shadowlands story where people were desperate for NW Tyrande or Genn or Turalyon to go carpet bomb orgrimmar so that the alliance would have a “turn being evil”
But... but... don't you remember how his eyes seemed to glow that one time while in the presence of something really bright and then stopped the moment that really bright thing was destroyed? Incontrovertible proof he's secretly a light zealot. All that other stuff is just him hiding his true self. The bright eyes, my dude. Bright. Eyes.
People have placed this expectation that he is going to turn evil and they will be sorely dissapointed when this doesn’t happen. Turalyon will make mistakes, otherwise he would be a boring character, probably enabling something bad happening but he is not going to be bad because that is exactly what the alternative future showed. His character has a few characteristics that make him himself. He is devout but can see to reason, he LOVES his family to the point it trumps all the rest, main prove he is still with Alleria who he has fixed the relationship with even if she is the main embodiment of the void. The only possibility of him turning extremist is if his wife gets consumed by the void. Otherwise discard that possibility. Perhaps he will die, but for sure it would be an heroic one, not a he has turned evil we need to vanquish him. And all these theories came from the shadowrising book in which Alleria is the one who makes the bad moves and convinced him to help her with explicit approval of anduin
Yeah. No chance that Turalyon would be some kind of light blinded baddy without making him wildly out of character or actually possessed by something. He could be a good source of conflict if Blizzard wants to show tensions within the Alliance. I could see him working against the PC's interests for legitimately good reasons. Or being reluctant to hand power back over to Anduin after he disappeared for half a decade. Not because he's a power-hungry zealot, but because there's good reason to think maybe that's not the best idea. (I say that as an Anduin fan who supports him taking time off to work through his issues). Nothing that would end with him being a loot piñata.
Exactly my same thoughts. Turalyon is not going to be a villain he may become anduins antagonist because of political reasons but he if he dies it will be an heroic death not some dumb he is now a zealot when the last we saw of him he had fully accepted Alleria becoming void empowered. I seriously don’t see the PC killing Turalyon, if anything his character points to eventually realising his mistakes and take the role of hero against a possible light antagonist
A void elf wife he questioned and was willing to kill should the Naaru have told him. It's why Alleria was moving away from him and towards the void, because he was fanatical about the light. He's likely toned down since Illidan disenchanted the Naaru, but even Velen wasn't so blind, and he had more contact with the Naaru his entire life. Turalyon was not an exemplary paladin, that was Tirion, who saw pass racism back before WC3, with Eitrigg. Turalyon was fanatical and needed to be humbled and see he was losing his hot elf wife to the void before he came to his senses
"My source is I made it up!"
Basically
Alright time to go down the rabbit hole. Legion was the first and only time WoW got 'morally grey' right despite that BFA was supposed to be that, stupid since they did it right with characters like Xe'ra, Alleria, Turalyon, Illidan, Velen, Kil'jaeden etc. During the Argus story we're told that both the Light and the Void tell half truths in order to manipulate others, Xe'ra admits to us they never confirm to us the full truth of what they tell us either. Kil'Jaeden was shown a horrible future along with Archimonde and Velen if they did not join the Legion, this was a half truth. The next half truth is the Prophecy that Xe'ra tries to impose on Illidan, the biggest issue shown here is the Void, Fel and Light have their own agendas and have little care for what anyone else says or does to oppose this. Xe'ra willing to forcibly make Illidan accept the light verges on Scarlet Crusade fanaticism. During Alleria's quest to accept the void, we see another vision here; after seeing some of the past with Archimonde, Kil'Jaeden and Velen, we see Alleria being deemed a heretic and hunted down by Turalyon for this. It's also confirmed by her teacher, that the Void like the Light tell half truths, and that it is a possibility this is an outcome. This is something avoided by obviously Illidan unaliving Xe'ra. Turalyon, Anduin and Velen even discuss this events, with Anduin stating what Xe'ra had done was wrong, and that is not the will of the light, to be forced on others, but simply a decision made by individuals to have the light guide them. Velen and Anduin do not condone Illidan's actions because Xe'ra was deemed wrong for this and Illidan just in his actions. But sure "My source is I made it up" when the Argus questline is basically all this
That is absolutely not true. He begged for her to leave just so she was safe begged for her life. He was killing to kill his wife? LOL What. I recommend to read/listen to the canon stories and not forum posts.
Apparently you don't remember much of Legion is all I can say
I remember it perfectly and what you said is just not true. In fact it totally misses his character
Yeah no you don't. The Argus story is something you need to replay, reread or something then
Preach! Prreeeeeach!!!! When I think defender of justice and those who cannot defend themselves: Tirion. I cannot express how much I love his story arch. Sucks he had to die for us to get ashbringer
That the sword was forgotten about. we legit drained the evil out of it at the end of legion sacrificing some of the most powerful weapons to ever exist to do it and then spent an entire expac with Magni healing the damage… sorry, Woonz!
This is partly a game-presentation issue. The quests where we drain the sword were only in the game for *three weeks* and then removed, at the end of the expansion which is usually when subs are lowest. And they were removed in the pre-patch so a good month before BFA even launched and a bunch of players returned. Far more people missed the quests then experienced them. And while the point of a lot of activities in BFA were to heal the world soul, they never actually showed much of the "healing" and didn't have a big moment where that was displayed. Just Magni going "She is healed champions!" at the end. Both combined really hurt the player perception of what went on with the sword.
Oh god, that one drives me mad. You could not make a cleaeer "tell me you don't read quest text without telling me you don't read quest text" meme
People will often claim that Theramore was a neutral city/Just a military base in order to justify/downplay the bombing, but in reality it was always an alliance city with a large population, since it was formed from the survivors of Lordaeron, Dalaran and Quelthalas.
The bombing was a big deal, but that doesn't change Theramore is known for its barracks and soldiers.
And it was openly at war with the Horde in Cataclysm, with Northwatch marines burning Taurajo, invading Durotar, and attempting to invade Mulgore. They even besieged the crossroads and took Honor's Stand prior to the Cataclysm.
Yup, that thing often gets forgotten when, provided you choose the right starting point, you will encounter those marines while questing very early.
A War started by the Horde to claim their Lebensraum
It’s kinda hard for us as players to grasp since towns and cities are much larger in lore than in game. I feel like it’d be worth it to do events where we timewalk and see things in actual scale at some point. Kinda like the purging of strat but expand the map and add a lot of flavor NPC
Yeah it's amazing how Chris managed to sweep the fact that Theramore was the main gateway for Varian's invasion force under the rug at the beginning of MoP and everyone just went along with that. Garrosh's decision to destroy Theramore was entirely logical.
This idea that Tauren and Night Elves actually give a shit about each other. I see people parrot the idea that the Nelfs and Tauren are actually really close and are only kept apart because of gameplay restrictions. But if you press people on why they think this, the best they can usually come up with is the Cenarion Circle. For one thing, druidism is not really that big of a deal for Tauren. Hell a time where Tauren druids weren’t even a thing is well within living memory. Druids are highly respected by the Tauren but the Tauren don’t revolve around druids as a cultural cornerstone like Night Elves do. And when in it comes to the druids in either society most are only loosely affiliated with the Cenarion Circle with only a small minority being full time members. Anyway the Tauren and Night Elves are NOT bffs and as far as we know, their last meaningful contact before the Third War was the War of the Ancients.
On the other side of the fence "the Tauren are resentful towards the Night Elves for not helping against the Centuar and that's why they don't mind fighting against them in Horde's name" is a headcanon I see a lot more people repeat as fact these days. To the best of my knowledge that's never been said once and just comes from fan theories.
There is a brief mention of a blood feed between night elves and tauren, once. No context was given behind it tho. "After all the blood feed between night elves and the likes of trolls snd tauren dated back centuries." -the War of the Shifting Sands short story. It might have come from that but it seems like an abandoned concept.
I’m pretty sure chronicle states that prior to the hordes arrival the Tauren reached out to night elves for aide with the centaur and were ignored. If your former Allies don’t intervene to save you from extinction they’re little better than enemies now. Edit: pretty sure I’m wrong after skimming the Tauren wiki
Only mention I've heard of that was a lore video from a youtube guy. And he did not elaborate nor did he quote any source.
Yeah I have no idea where that came from either. But even Platinum WoW fell for it. Which sucks because once a lore youtuber says something, it's forever canon in the minds of their brainwashed fans.
Iirc the Tauren reached out to the elves for aide prior to the horde arriving and were ignored. Why would you be best buds with people you helped repel demons with ages ago and when you need help with smelly horsey boys they’re MIA? Edit: pretty sure I’m wrong after skimming the Tauren wiki
> you helped repel demons with ages ago More than ages ago. 10,000 years ago. Thats 5 times the further away then we are to Christ. Its like you being loyal to allies from 8000 BCE.
To add to that, Tauren definitely don't live for 10,000+ years like Night Elves do. Their involvement in the War of the Ancients is ancient history to them
the tauren reaching out to night elves is not something that happened and was the headcanon of deranged roleplayers on twitter.
Not sure about twitter rpers but yeah you’re right. I couldn’t find any source and I could have sworn I read it from an official source
Funny you should mention the Flamewakers. I was catching up with a childhood friend (we both played classic and stopped playing before Wrath of The Lich King launched back in the day.) We were drinking talking about how fun Molten Core was and he kept mentioning the Naga while I (pretty tipsy) argued with him that there were no Naga in Molten Core. Took me like 15 minutes to figure out what he was talking about.
Could you elaborate on the Flamewaker/Flamewalker thing?
It’s Flamewaker, but is commonly misspelled as Flamewalker
Ah ok, this makes sense because “walk” requires legs which Flamewakers don’t, they slithers instead
This reminds me once people where confusing harbinger with hairbringer heheh
A big one is probably the idea that the Old Gods weren't really dead when we killed them in-game. I think official sources have always consistently described them as dead, but there was a very strong fan belief that they were just beaten back into their prisons and every time something would come up describing them as dead, we'd get backlash from people calling it a retcon.
People didn't think the Old Gods were dead because at the time, nothing said they were dead. The only two that were confirmed as dead by devs until the most recent blizzcon were C'thun and Y'shaarj, with the Legion expansion and the Exploring Northrend book even indicating Yogg'saron was still alive and just contained. If anything, Yogg being dead right now is a retcon. N'zoth of course was dead after Ny'alotha and the community was in denial. Y'shaarj is... confusing. Despite being "dead", his mind was fully intact inside of his heart. Even more, Xal'atoh is a weapon created from his power that's very similar to Xal'atath. It whispers to the player with special interactions when you so things and seems to have a direct fragment of Y'shaarjs mind inside of it, because its voice is the same one you hear when you're inside Y'shaarjs heart.
Nothing said that they were dead because it didn't have to. They didn't have to confirm that Nefarian was dead in the previous tier, because his corpse said "Dead" when you hovered over it. In fact, C'thun actually went one step further and dropped a quest item with text reading that "you have destroyed an ancient evil older than the world itself". Additionally, during Blizzcon 2010, someone asked why the world hadn't blown up if we'd killed the Old Gods, and their off-the-cuff answer was "Haven't you played any Cata? The world DID just blow up because of the Old Gods". Obviously this isn't quite accurate, but it does speak to the fact that they had very much been assuming that it was clear that the two Old God corpses were proof enough that they were dead. And it's not like they didn't have the technology to make it clear that an enemy was just beaten back rather than dead. We see that in Sunwell Plateau. Maybe it wouldn't have been possible during Classic, but they certainly could have done it for Yogg Saron. Instead, they had him scream as he was dying that "Your fate is sealed. The end of days is finally upon you and ALL who inhabit this miserable little seedling. Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh." A Dev would later translate that Shath'yar portion as "The shadow of my corpse will choke this land for all eternity."
>People didn't think the Old Gods were dead because at the time, nothing said they were dead. By your own account 3/4 were said to be dead. And Yogg'saron's death quote was translated by Sean Copeland on twitter to be referencing him as dying ("The shadow of my corpse will choke this land for all eternity.") The Old Gods were always killed, Y'shaarj just demonstrates that them being dead doesn't remove their influence entirely.
There are definitely interviews out there that left it vague, like after defeating Yogg, they said we just beat a part of it, like cutting off a toe. In the comics, before they were partially retconned, C'thun was very much alive and speaking to Cho'gall. So basically, it's complicated.
>There are definitely interviews out there that left it vague, like after defeating Yogg, they said we just beat a part of it, like cutting off a toe Do you have a source of this? I've always heard it said by fans, but never an official source
I'm not sure I'd be able to find it tbh, it was Wrath era for sure. I wanna say it was a Blizzcon Q&A, but I'm not positive. I do remember seeing it myself because I was super into the Old God lore during that time, but that's about it.
you are actually completely incorrect, there were interviews with ask cdev stating that the old gods were dead
I believe the comics are partially responsible for this, the concept that there is “dead” in terms of a corporeal form that can be defeated and “dead” in terms of a spiritual form that can be killed. The idea of death being complicated for old gods was further reinforced by things like Y’shaarj wounding the planet and his continuing influence despite being dead, to the point that even his desiccated severed heart was still him, or the Saronite blood of Yogg’saron still carrying his influence. The narrative that the Titans had to imprison these gods instead of killing them is hard to reconcile with the fact that the mortal champions of Azeroth can simply pick them off one by one with no consequences.
What makes you think there's no consequence to the way we're killing the old gods? Well, N'zoth might've been destroyed without negative influence due to hiding in Ny'alotha when we blew him up, but Yog and C'thun might be bleeding all over Sithilus and Northrend and corrupting the shit out of it without us actually knowing.
Its not that difficult to reconcile, specially when you know that the titans feared harming the planet, not that they couldnt. It at least makes more sense than the old gods being inexplicably powerfull but also being able to be imprisioned like it was before.
I think chronicles cleared it up with how Aman'thul killed Y'saarj, creating the giant wound that had titans and keepers "fix" enough for it to become the Well of, Eternity.
The natural assumption was that they didn’t actually die and we just fought them back Further supported by the fact that the first killing of an old god almost killed the whole planet and the aftermath is the sha being a thing Eventually they ended up clearly stating that actually we killed them
>Eventually they ended up clearly stating that actually we killed them They stated this from the start, however. It was just fans wanting to believe otherwise.
That actually boggles my mind, holy hell. Was Y’Shaarj’s death just bad enough to make the Sha bc of how powerful he was?
Yes. But somehow his mind was still partially intact, because he directly speaks to the player during the Garrosh fight or if you're holding the weapon Xal'atoh(sound familiar?). His heart was still beating and 'alive' when it was dug up. I'm certain he's dead, but his full death only came at the end of MoP when Garrosh drained his heart for power.
I legitimately feel that MoP has the most slept on hardcore Warcraft lore. Y’Shaarj is felt throughout the entire expansion looming over the war between the horde and alliance. It peaks with SoO which still stands as top 3 goats at time of release. This is all my opinion of course
And that’s not even getting into the unbridled awesomeness that is Lei Shen, slayer of kings and gods
Let me add up to this. Ever since Old gods were introduced in Warcraft, not only were they always killable but we had their deaths confirmed multiple times over different canons. * The Rpg mentions that they were killable. * We go into Ahn quiraj to kill C'thun and he is confirmed dead in the Med'an comic * Yogg Saron screaming ' The shadow of my corpse...' * Y'shaarj's heart that was **revived.** What happens is that there a quotes in separate midias tha make the Old gods to be outside of cycle of Life and death and the idea that if they fully escape, even Sargeras would fear their powers. That however has never being meanigful in any shape or form except in the minds of the community.
Also the whole "outside of life" and "would make sargeras" afraid were from 1 character in the WotA books. I never get why people never think that characters in stories could be wrong in their assumptions.
I mean, sort of? In Vanilla that wasn't quite the case, but, by Yogg it was.
People keep saying it took a titan to kill Yshaarj and it almost wrecked the planet yada yada. What they dont get that the players are basically Azeroth's immune system. The titans tried to rip out a parasite while we went and surgically destroyed it at the source.
Blizzard said that the Old Gods might return if a sufficiently strong harbinger of the Void comes to Azeroth. Which is the plot of TWW but the Old Gods ain't back. They are dead, Jim.
I dunno if this is quite true, but I don't think the WoD clans exist anymore, I think there were all merged into one tribe the Mag'har. I know the tabard refers to Clans but outside of that they are usually referred to as a collective tribe and never individual clans. The wiki list the clans as members of the Horde but WoW has never actually said that.
Well, we know from the Orc heritage quest that the Horde Orcs still identify with their clans (and that its experiencing a cultural revival), so even if the Mag’har DID disband their clans, it’s probably safe to assume that they have/will bring them back, too.
The Orc Heritage quests are actually what made me think about it and why I came to that conclusion. I actually think either the Mag'har will either move further away from clan identities into the "One Tribe" to strike a greater difference between Durotar orcs and Mag'har; Or they'll be merged with the MU clans. I don't think it'd safe to say they'll bring them back because I don't think Blizzard is going to have two Frostwolf clans, two Blackrock clans, etc. It seems weird to have six sets of clans with the same name and themes. Maybe they'll use the AU orcs to revitalise dead clans like the Thunderlords, but the way the Orc Heritage quests treated the Burning Blade and Shadowmoon i doubt it.
Oh, yeah, that was what I was thinking-the Mag’har re-embracing their clan heritages, but there’s still just one of each clan, with both Azerothian and Mag’har Orc members. That said, I think the idea of the Mag’har developing into a completely different Orcish culture and society would be MUCH more interesting-but I don’t know that blizz will go that route. Especially with the Mag’har living exclusively on Azeroth, among their Azerothian kin. But a girl can hope! XD
I think having a second orc nation would be more interesting, though Blizz seems to want to make the races more intertwine so I doubt we'll see a unique nation. Reckon they don't want to overly mingle the identities of the orcs we've been with since WC1 and time travelling alternate deminsion orcs. Which is also why I doubt we'll see dead clans revived this way, since they'll always be tied to the alternate timeline stuff. Having Relka Bloodfyre show up talking about her her clan is dead and that's okay makes me think they won't have Maghar orcs revive the clan. And.... I think that's okay. Having two orc nations, Durotar and the Maghar, is better imo. You can separate them with the Durotar orcs reclaiming their old roots while Maghar go more into industry snd technology to separate them.
Illidan’s entire character was rewritten for Legion because fans misunderstood his story from WC3 to Burning Crusade. He said from the outset that he was only ever interested in power for himself and that he didn’t give a damn about the night elves or Azeroth. But the fans thought he was so cool that they gaslit themselves into thinking he was morally righteous, and then in 2016 the writers drank the Kool-Aid themselves and “redeemed” him to reflect what the fans wanted. Go back and read anything about Illidan from before 2016 and you’ll see what I mean. He was unambiguously evil.
For example, sure, he remade the well to defeat the Legion in case of a second return... But the idea that his sole driving motive was to destroy the Legion? Well, for a start he originally only helped against the Legion in WC3 because of Tyrande, he explicitly took the Skull of Gul'dan's energies because of his own lust for power (gee, Khadgar never needed to absorb them to use its power!), and his service to Kil'jaeden in TFT was about *self preservation*. That's not the actions and motives of a man who spent millennia wanting to destroy them, is it? And then apparently he was all but completely over Tyrande by TBC? I'm not saying this is *definitely* what happened, but there's a couple of other moments in King's novel that tells me he was cribbing from the old RPG book... A couple of which are almost verbatim from *Maiev's* profile.
Similarly people paint Arthas as more noble than he was because usually characters within his trope start out more pure and good (like anduin). When I finally played WCIII I was struck by how unsympathetic he was from the very beginning.
If the characters who knew him misremember him being better than he was that's one thing. But in game he's kind of a prick. Feels like all the new retcons make him more noble to make his descent into villainy more tragic. But in game its like..... yeah he would become a villain.
Yeap - and he was definitely intended to be unsympathetic. The Warcraft III manual explains what Kel'Thuzard meant in-game when he said the Lich King planned for Arthas to become his champion from the very beginning - with Ner'Zhul's psychic powers, he was able to sense the darkness in Arthas' heart and found him suitable from that. I think the Arthas novel does try to make him seem more sympathetic in parts, which may lead to the perception of him as being noble.
Even in the Culling of Stratholme instance, Arthas is very dutiful and at best detached from what he's doing. Arthas was never a good person, people think he is for the reason you said but metatextually he's supposed to be a total subversion of a "noble paladin" from the get-go, not just after getting Frostmourne.
Illidan got a redemption arc and they made Kael’thas even worse in Shadowlanda. Truly there is no justice in this canon.
I agree that Legion contradicted A LOT of TBC, but in fairness, there *was* a questline in Cata Felwood that deliberately painted Illidan’s villainy in a more ambiguous light.
>I agree that Legion contradicted A LOT of TBC And TBC contradicted a lot of WC3. Considerably worse in that category.
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
Which is why my headcanon is that none of what happened in WoW is canon but more like a „what if”. I refuse to accept 90% of the bullshit that writers peddle simply because of how shallow, cliche and idiotic it is.
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
Did it really? Because "Man whose self image is based on his strength and power starts turning more and more paranoid, cruel and dominating to those around him when he's failed in his goals and is now being threatened by a world conquering demon army" isn't exactly a massive "contradiction".
I vividly remember hearing in a video during like 2017ish that there was this lore bit with the original wielder of T'uure, beacon of the naaru (holy priest artifact in legion) used the staff while the draenei were being ambushed by the legion after landing the Genedar ship on a planet somewhere between argus and draenor, and I was sooooo adamant for the longest time that 88 draenei stayed behind on that world, including the wielder of T'uure, and sacrificed themselves fighting the legion in order to buy time for the Genedar and the rest of the draenei to escape back into space, and that now every year, the draenei had a sort of memorial celebration to honor the 88 that sacrificed themselves that day. However, beyond the wielder of T'uure buying time for the Genedar to escape and dying in the process, the staff being lost to the legion, every other bit that I remember learning/hearing never happened, and doesn't exist within the lore. It weirds me out all the time.
Oldie but a goodie: the idea that magic can't be used in a mak'gora.
I think that's the movie's fault.
lmao hold up it’s flameWAKER?
Nah. It's flamewanker.
sabatons of the flamewalker tricked me. guess grips of the flamewanker got you
That the worgen curse isn't inherited. Blizz themselves in an interview during Cata have said that it's a magical curse and thus two worgen having children doesn't mean the child is also a worgen. Meaning that Gilneas being full of worgen is only temporary.
counterpoint: despite Word of God from the devs saying otherwise, logically the curse should be hereditary. we are shown that biting and blood ingestion transmit the curse. whether it is saliva or some magical property of specifically the act of biting another being that spreads it, i'm not sure. but a pregnant mother and her child(ren) share blood during pregnancy. we know blood transmits the curse from the silverpine questline. therefore, a worgen mother should transmit the curse to her offspring. you're free to guess if *other* body fluids could transmit the curse to someone else for a different hereditary route.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me Blizz has forgotten that they said that based on what is implied in the Worgen heritage questline and it being close to 10 or so years since the interview, that being said as far as I'm aware they haven't said anything else countering the point. But I agree with you.
A lot of things blizz says in interviews should be taken with a grain of salt. It's usually something they have to come up with on the spot and we're just supposed to take it at face value forever? What part about the heritage questline do you mean? Back to your original point about the Worgen part of Gilneas/Gilneans being temporary I disagree. As you can see with Tess and the silverpine questline, there are going to be people out there who want to become Worgen. Unless every last Worgen dies out, the curse can always spread. Even then, some random druid might decide to shapeshift into a wolf once again and start it all over. (I still think it's dumb that they didn't turn tess into a worgen. We have enough generic young human women characters in the game that all look identical. It's also a slap in the face to every worgen player to have a "racial" leader who isn't even your race!)
I meant specifically when tess said something along the lines of "in order to understand my people I have to understand the curse" and while I agree some random druid could turn into a wolf I meant specifically in Gilneas. In Silverpine those people willingly turned into Worgen because it was either that or be turned into undead. Unless it becomes part of Gilean culture to make more, the current Worgen living in Gilneas will eventually grow old and die hence my implications of it being temporary. Don't get my wrong I honestly have no issue with the lore being if you stand close to a worgen the curse may pass to you or something like that but I just wanted to point out that as far as any news from Blizz on the matter the only way to make more Worgen is to drink Worgen blood, or be bitten by them.
I know a lot of people who seem to think Genn Greymane ate a million orc babies, when for the most part he’s just kind of been rude to and generally combative towards the Horde. I think it’s a mix of cut/moved around content and people wishing there was more shades of grey in that particular story.
Don't forget Sylvanas killed his son too. I sure felt like avenging Genn's kid on that particular scene.
>ate a million orc babies That would be based actually
Not when Gilneas had problems with food because of isolation.
I think Genn is an idiot but I do enjoy that SOMEONE on the alliance is willing to stir shit up
This one might be a retcon or me misremembering, but I swear when BfA came out the devs insisted Sylvanas burned the tree because Saurfang failed to kill Malfurion
That was backed up by the short stories before though when Sylvanas was convincing Saurfang to start the War of Thorns / how to. She even says something like we can’t hold the tree if Malfurion / Tyrande live, and we *must* secure Kalimdor now or there is no future for the Horde. Also something like the siege engines are only there as a threat, *Unless…*
People keep spouting this nonsense about how the way Paladins and Priests use the Holy Light is different. They say that Paladins "internalize" the Light while Priests don't? I have yet to come across any media that even remotely implies this other than reddit comments. The Light is the Light. You use it with faith, willpower, and the desire to do good. Literally the only difference between priests and paladins is priests are trained to use the light mainly to heal and paladins learn how to use heavy armor and weaponry so they can use the Light in a more offensive/defensive manner in addition to healing. This unfortunately creates a side effect where paladins are seen as a sort of "prestige class" for priests because they can do what a priest can do but more.
biggest one, and wow players are so desperate not to accept it that they will argue against it even here, is that elune did deliberately allow teldrassil to burn to save ardenweald. this is confirmed in the stay a while with tyrande and shandris after the end of shadowlands. they talk about how elune allowed teldrassil to burn, but they now realize it's ok that she did because ardenweald is beautiful. this is after tyrande was in direct communion with elune so there's no way she is getting it wrong this is a case of warcraft's lore being so stupid that the players overwhelmingly rejected what it was telling them. and correctly so.
I've just decided that nothing in Shadowlands is canon and will never cite it in an argument nor accept anyone else citing it in an argument.
That Anduin and Wrathion are flirting with each other (or fucking, depending who you ask). Bring on the downvotes. I'm ready.
I don't think anyone genuinely thinks that. But I will say those two have more chemistry than 90% of the canon WoW relationships.
>I don't think anyone genuinely thinks that. There very much are people who believe that they were flirting and have accused Golden and Blizzard of queerbaiting (which is insane because barely pubescent human boy/dragon whelpling) but true. >But I will say those two have more chemistry than 90% of the canon WoW relationships. *Tells Agapanthus to put this one on the list*
Well, it is an outdated concept nowadays, but there used to be this thing between two male friends called banter. I get what you mean though and I don't actually care what people ship. Sometimes it just seems people take too much affront if you question it.
>Sometimes it just seems people take too much affront if you question it. Which is weird AF. In MoP, Anduin was just hitting puberty and Wrathion was a toddler. Their "relationship" was entirely built around discussing their radically different beliefs. Anduin explicitly doesn't trust him, even if he does consider him something like a friend. Then immediately after MoP Still-a-toddler-Wrathion has still-pubescent-Anduin's head bashed in so that he can set in motion the chain of events that lead to Legion and Varian dying. Then they don't see each other even once until BfA. (Wrathion earned that punch. Thanks N'Zoth.) Shadowlanda happens and Anduin goes on walkabout. There is literally no point in the story that they could have developed romantic feelings for each other (without it being interspecies pedophilia), yet there are people who will swear that they are genuinely, canonically in love during Mists. Please keep them away from the Little Scales Daycare.
Remember those cringeworthy Val'sharah quests with Tyrande yelling MALFURION MY LOVE? A common misconception that Malf calling for help is an illusion created by Xavius. It's not supported by the game itself, Malf did call for help in this way.
Absolutely correct, the dev who wrote the quest said as much on twitter some years ago. That it's a better idea and one that is "supported by the game," but ultimately didn't write the quest with that conceit in mind. Malf really did do that cringe shit.
Ow God I'm about to puke. I always thought people were being daft and that it's *CLEARLY XAVIUS' TRICKS* because of how damn cringe worthy it was for malfurion to act that way. And you're telling me now they were right and the cringe is real?
https://twitter.com/CallMeQuestifer/status/1266265035531141120 Unfortunately, they were not wrong, and the cringe is very real.
I think that is a misconception I could have happily gone without having corrected on xD
That there's still animosity/rivalry between Draenei and blood elves. See quite a few people try to RP their characters as hardcore hating the other race when the 2 were in conflict for only part of BC and were working together by the end. There's been 0 conflict between the 2 since BC and the blood elves came out to help the Draenei in WoD and Legion as well.
Probably, that Garrosh did something wrong.
What do you mean? The canon is 100% clear that garrosh did nothing wrong
The vindicaar being some kind of super wunderwaffe rather than a glorified Taxi in a setting where starships have not been remotely a problem to deal with for the denizens of Azeroth (See: Tempest keep/ all those starships in Legion that got taken out by mundane Azerothian forces)
There is no confirmation about Void Lords existence, they are just something the Nathrezim told Sargeras to scare him and twist his mind, so we don't really know if they are actually real.
Didn't we kill one in outland? The one that destroyed the Ethereal Homeworld of K'aresh https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Dimensius_the_All-Devouring
Playable Blood Elves all sucked fel magic at some point. Not much of a Mandela effect, but a result of that TBC cinematic's foolery
In Legion during the Val'Sharah quest line that Malfurion was the one crying out for Tyrande while it was actually Xavius tricking Tyrande into following him.
I read it as Flamewanker for a second
The Helm of Damnation... Could have sworn that is what it was always called until SL
Not what the Mandela effect is
Jaina is a good character.
You're not wrong, Jaina hasn't seen an ounce of good writing since Wrath. But that's not what OP asked.
lol Reddit homework?