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z3mcs

[Additional info:](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1806098863071039965) >The Blazers are sending the second most favorable of their 2029 first-round picks and two second-round picks in the deal for Avdija, sources tell ESPN.


z3mcs

>The Washington Wizards are trading F Deni Avdija to the Portland Trail Blazers for Malcolm Brogdon and the 14th pick tonight and 2029 pick, sources tell ESPN. Not gonna lie, I'm shocked.


JohnWalI

Deni was only 23 and just had his BREAKOUT season, and was on a great team friendly contract. And we trade him immediately. Of course.


FlashMan1981

14.7 ppg is a breakout? Keeping guys like Deni and thinking they'll be star players is why the Wiz have been bad-to-mid forever


Galumpadump

Honestly? I think this is good management. Sell the player while they are high, not after they have plateau and you are stuck with a bad contract. Wizards will get younger pieces that will have upside. Sell when you can get the highest value unless you have a superstar type player.


whomadethis

seriously, that is how you end up maxing otto porter.


johnsonthicke

Yeah, I was shocked when they did it but I’ve come around a bit. They’re not 1 Deni Avdija away from contending for championships, and all things considered they got a very good haul for him. They need as much draft ammo as possible in the coming years. It’s easy to dismiss the trade as “same old Wizards,” but I like what they did tonight. All we can do is wait and see.


HelloJoeyJoeJoe

Great, but we sold him for a chance to... draft a worse player? This is like giving someone $4 to buy a $2 scratch-off ticket


dgvhjiiuyttrrffcvbjj

Multiple chances at drafting a better player. What rebuilding teams really need. Already got one candidate in Bub who i really like and could be the PG of the future. i like it.


foxcnnmsnbc

>Sell when you can get the highest value unless you have a superstar type player. That was Sam Hinkie's theory. He got rid of Jrue Holiday. He tanked and tanked, drafting multiple duds, finally landing success on Simmons and Embiid. Only to be jumped to the Championship by the Raptors, Bucks, Nuggets, and Celtics. Now all his tanking picks are gone except for Embiid. Meanwhile, the Bucks and Celtics winning their Championships with Jrue as a key player.


789Trillion

I wouldn’t call this selling high. Wizards should’ve yelled loud and clear that Deni was available to start a bidding war.


chambros703

This. The league is ran by stars, we don’t have any. Need to keep plucking away in the draft till you find an Ant or something


ipcmlr

Ant was the no.1 draft pick not a 2nd most favorable 1st round pick.


DistortedAudio

I don’t think this trade gets us any closer to an Ant. If anything this trade gets us closer to…a worse Deni.


Electric_jungle

With the benefit of hindsight now, I think Carrington, a first and two seconds is exactly the kind of thing you want to see. He might not end up as good as Deni, but he's got a higher ceiling.


chambros703

Not saying we need #1 pick but you know what I mean. Find a Giannis, a Jokic, a Steph, etc


SetElectrical3978

So trade away a Jaden McDaniels for some question marks in order to get an Anthony Edwards type when there’s a lottery system in place lol, what kind of train of thought is this


LeDankJenkins

can't get a hit if you don't swing, Deni is the type of guy you want when you contend, but having him be your most valuable player is going to be rough


chambros703

You don’t need to pick #1 to find a star…


SadCommandersFan

Or a sarr


DaalCheene

fr that was a mid ass breakout season on an ass team. Especially with how high scoring gets nowadays. We can take a better shot or miss out with the 14th then dwindle on Deni. Also not like Brogdon is a bum.


Efficient_Buy4031

this is real as fuck. people get too attached to average players here


GulfCoastLaw

But the guy is young and in a team friendly deal.


Marauderr4

That's good for contending teams. Which gives him value. By the time they'll be good, he's going to cost money.


SongYoungbae

A guy who was near the top of the entire league in defensive efficiency isn't an average player


z3mcs

100%. It was so evident when any critique of his game was met with extreme resistance. Not irrational hate, but nearly any fair critique of his game would be met with mostly downvotes and people claiming he was gods gift to basketball. It was so frustrating.


z3mcs

I really can't believe it. The pregames all season did stories on him. They had him for interviews. They put him on their promo. They did in-game stuff about him. Whatever stats he was putting up, they featured it. He's literally the last person I thought they were going to trade.


SelfLoathinMillenial

I mean, it's probably a good thing that the people making basketball moves aren't being affected by marketing moves


RJSSUFER

The FO is actually in charge and not Ted. It’s so refreshing.


Fabulous-Zombie-4309

Competent leadership feels like oppression to Wizards fans, I guess.


CourtVizion

It's likely his 3PT shooting last year is an outlier. Up to this point it definitley has been. Better to sell high on a player of his skillset than hold on too long and miss out on value. It sucks to see him go, but I trust this FO to find promising guys in this draft. We now how 3 1st this year.


Responsible-List-849

I think this makes sense. In a vacuum, I would have suspected you'd get a higher pick for him (in this draft). Like...maybe Spurs 8 as a top end, Grizzlies or Kings. But that's without digging in to cap impacts, etc.


Mysterious-Stop4673

Yeah you can say he improved on a lot but he shot the exact same attempts for 3 as he did his first 3 years but this year he was 6-7% better. I don’t think Portland is wrong for thinking this could be a quick come up and good trade in the long run but I also definitely don’t mind the wizards trying to sell high when they know they are gonna suck for a while and it’s in their best interest to suck especially for this upcoming year.


Fabulous-Zombie-4309

We don't get draft-killing picks and take a big expiring contract off the books for them getting a solid project player on a cheaper contract. It's a win-win.


RushPrime

Fucking stupid trade. I feel like this org can never make favorable deals.


MegaSupremeTaco

They got two firsts and two seconds + a guy they can re-route for more picks. This is what effective tanking looks like.


icecreamfist

Also considering this is Denis first great year. Otherwise, he’s been inconsistent his entire time here. I’m thinking FO has a target in mind in the middle.


iAMw1LL

I’m not. Anyone who had eyes on deni last year knew he was putting up better numbers than his talent showed. This is the highest his value will ever be


FlashMan1981

this team won 15 games, the should be willing to trade everyone


Baynavfreak

This is my view. Everyone is expendable on this team.


DrRickMarshll

Now we gonna win 10 next year with brogdon.


FlashMan1981

We aint' keeping Brogdon. And if means getting closer to Cooper Flagg ...


MapleFlavouredKebab

there is no difference in winning 21 games and 10 for lottery odds lol. i don't think this move gets us closer to Flagg


evilgrinz

Yup decent offensive numbers on a terrible team don't mean anything.


Dig-Duglett

i absolutely hate this trade edit: i’m okay w this trade


angelansbury

my life as a Wizards fan summed up in one Reddit comment


Plane-Juggernaut-321

I actually was going through it for about 15 minutes before I realized this ain’t too bad at all


AttitudeAndEffort2

I hate this trade but at least it makes sense. 2 firsts 2 seconds and brogdon that could become more picks when Portland will be bad is really good value. Edit: i feel these exact feelings.


Notorious_Beebs

There goes the longest current tenured Wizard, Deni Avdija. I kinda like the trade though, even though I liked Deni


schrogotgameyt

I don’t understand it at all


YourLocalJewishKid

This is selling high on Deni. They’re getting two FRPs. Deni’s contract is great, but the team isn’t likely to be competitive until after it expires, at which point you have to ask if you want to give him the $200m (or whatever the equivalent is by 2027) like OG just got. Better to get the picks now and continue to invest in players who fit the timeline better.


anonperson1567

Four years of this shit, fuck man.


haha-good-one

14th pick is selling high? He was 2nd best player on the team last season, with a dirt cheap contract. 14th pick?


Cautious-Ad-9554

He was on a 15 win team.


Turbo2x

2 first round picks for Deni plus Brogdon - who will likely get us more picks later - is a fucking STEAL


K_U

Two 1sts and two 2nds for Deni is great value.


CookieSlayer2Turbo

And brogdan who probably worth a mid/late frp too


baconmyface

Brandon isn't getting us a 1st unless he proves he's healthy


RelativeVariation2

how do you know the 2029 pick is a first?


initialsori

portlands second most favorable [2029 first](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806098863071039965?s=46&t=2SZRAJSn4Xs4wJZ-P4b8hg)


Icangetloudtoo_

The 2029 pick is the second most favorable (so, not that good) and this year’s 14 is like, fine. Not all FRP are created equal and these are low upside. It’s not a steal.


z3mcs

2 more seconds are part of the deal. It's definitely the most they possibly could have gotten.


Icangetloudtoo_

I don’t know if this is the best we could’ve done, but I doubt it. Deni would’ve been in high demand at the deadline given how seamlessly he can slot into basically any rotation. Two seconds doesn’t change my thought process. I’d rather receive a pick that has a chance to be a high lottery pick, rather than guaranteeing a lot of OK to meh picks. Or, I’d love for him to be part of our future. He’s 23! That should be a great timeline for a tanking team… Like I said elsewhere, it’s not a disaster, but I’m also not thrilled about it.


InGenNateKenny

I’m not convinced Brogdon is going to get much. He’s almost 32 and just came off the injury and he’s an expiring contract. Unless he plays lights out (doubt) we’d be lucky to get anything more than average return for him.


Turbo2x

Worst case scenario he's an expiring contract (also helps with his trade value) so he's off the books soon anyway and they can just keep absorbing bad contracts


InGenNateKenny

I figure that’s probably some of their logic after looking at the salary now. I suppose there are worst guys to take.


Fabulous-Zombie-4309

The BOYD strategy (shout out to Mike Prada) is alive and well!


Fabulous-Zombie-4309

Brogdon is here to make the math work and walk at the end of the year, if not before on a buyout. I highly doubt he's going to be a flip candidate given his salary number.


z3mcs

And there's more: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1806098863071039965 >The Blazers are sending the second most favorable of their 2029 first-round picks and two second-round picks in the deal for Avdija, sources tell ESPN.


schrogotgameyt

Is brogdon really getting us anything 😭


Turbo2x

15/4/5 on 44/41/82 shooting splits last year. He's still good, just gets hurt a lot so his minutes have to be managed.


Galumpadump

So contender that needs to sure up their 8 man rotation before the deadline will trade for him. Honestly, a team like Miami could use him.


Ok_Appointment2341

Came to Reddit to specifically see your thoughts and you’re one of the few that supports it. I like it. Any return for Brogdon on top of those draft assets is great. Wish Turbo all the best but we need to be bad next year.


Plane-Juggernaut-321

I guess we really really want cooper Flagg next season 😭


RJSSUFER

It’s a no brainer. We are going to suck for the next 3 years. 3 years of his great contract. This is OKC volume 2


JohnWalI

because it makes zero sense.


MrBuckBuck

Deni Avdija returns to Scott Brooks.


Ravens181818184

It’s basically 3 1sts for Deni if I understand their logic correctly, it’s honestly good


waskittenman

Holy fuck 😭😂😂 the fo isn't fucking around


Efficient_Buy4031

4 picks & Brogdon for Deni is a fleece idc. Front offices aren’t attached to players they didn’t draft. I love the aggressiveness


StubbornBabboon

this is why seeing the immediate overreactions is hilarious now that we know the full trade lol, like I get he was a fan-favorite but Bilal has been the only untouchable, and getting two FRPs for Deni is a great trade


No-Plan-8837

It was supposed to be Kuzma!!! Not him!!!!


MAC-94

Don’t think they’re done just yet lol


No-Plan-8837

I don’t think so either. Tonight will be very interesting. We’re trying to be BAD next season , which is fine since I want Cooper Flagg. Looking forward to see how we can flip Brogdan now


FlashMan1981

loading up on young role players this year to start building the skeleton, then hopefully next year we get that superstar in the draft we need.


cigamodnalro

Deni was LOVED in Washington, I don’t understand this trade


bigmikeabrahams

I was downvoted into oblivion a year ago for saying he was worth more than the midlevel exception. People were crying that we traded Rui instead of him. I would not describe him as loved by the fanbase


Scoot_00

Rip City will take good care of him.


waskittenman

Quick before the shooting regresses 😂 ok I guess let's cook guys


Solid-Confidence-966

You kinda called the trade lol


waskittenman

https://i.redd.it/yzoq3peqzz8d1.gif sorta kinda haha


summahofgeorge

Oh no next we’ll trade our other superstar on this Reddit Corey Kispert what a tragedy that will be 


Efficient_Buy4031

This is a great trade, can’t wait to see what we flip Brogdon for


Amazing-Army-4067

Damn this trade ain’t for the faint of wizards hearts 😂


Fabulous-Zombie-4309

Eh a lot of folks are fine on the treadmill of mediocrity. Fuck that, tank tank tank.


theyrehiding

I just let out the loudest "WOAH" I have let out in a couple months 😂 how I feel about this trade ultimately comes down to 1) who we pick and 2) what we can get in exchange for Brogdon.


initialsori

is the 2029 pick first?


msterling2012

Least favorable of their 2029 picks.


Jord4nnn

2nd most favorable out of Blazers, Milwaukee, and Boston


Movie_guy93

I’m a big Deni fan BUT This is a 15 win team. We should not be married to anyone.


MrBuckBuck

It's not like the Portland did much better.


dgvhjiiuyttrrffcvbjj

they are further along in their rebuild than we are with Scoot, Sharpe, Simons, Ayton, now Clingan, etc. we are still trying to find a cornerstone (hopefully next summer).


z3mcs

So now we have 2, 14 and 26. Wonder what the next move is.


Ok-Smell5210

You think they trade for another pick ?


z3mcs

Well [there's even more](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1806098863071039965) they got in this deal - WOJ just did a follow-up tweet. >The Blazers are sending the second most favorable of their 2029 first-round picks and two second-round picks in the deal for Avdija, sources tell ESPN.


iseeabluemoonrising

14 and 26 have to get packaged together, right? No way we start the season with 3 rookies getting minutes


Ok-Smell5210

Maybe we reroute Brogdon


mumu3000

It’s a good thing we’re loading up in a historic draft!


kwisque

Malcolm Brogdon won’t play for this Wiz, they’ll get a late first round pick for him. This is basically Deni for 3 mid to late FRPs, plus 2 seconds. That’s a damn good trade.


Wall2Ryan

The one guy I thought was untouchable next to Bilal lol


devonta_smith

inb4 we take Topic with the 14th pick and he becomes SGA lite in 3-4 years


style9

Topic mid-first round seems like a worthy gamble. Give him a year off to rehab while we tank. If he drops that far.


PickpocketJones

Got an expiring and 2 1sts for Deni, it will be fine.


Askia-the-Creator

Aye this front office actually isn't playing games. This is a solid haul.


Qwertyioup111

Making space for Sarr mintues at the forward. I'm here for it. Selling high on Deni


Toss2White

Troy Weaver era has officially started. Worst trader in the association


RinSoretoe

He kinda cooked now that we see the details


Dip_the_Dog

Two 1sts, two 2nds, and a good vet who can likely get more value when flipped? That's a pretty good return for Deni...


CardiacKemba1

That’s bullshit right?


lilrata

They better draft Bronny to get Lebron (I’m joking but who knows it’s the wizards lol)


ODUrugger

Ernie Grunfeld might have


Wild-Comfortable4325

What do we want lebron for?


DeskInitial9268

so I can get a Lebron Wizards jersey


ultimate_74

we got a lottery pick but i am dead inside. The only way I’d get slightly happier is if we trade Kuz and Brogdon for Mitchell Robinson or someone like that.


SinceWayBack1997

lol wtf


Noname1752

No dennnniiii, I thought this would happen at some point, but not this quick. I know fans are not gonna like this lmao. He was so cool to watch man🥲 3 first round pick value is cooking tho.


licorice_straw

Just coming in a as a Blazers fan, seems like this is a fair trade all around. Deni is a young and improving big wing on a team-friendly contract. That's extremely valuable! But the Blazers also gave up a lot. Obviously won't know who "won" the trade for years down the line, but I've seen lots of fans on both sides really for & against the trade and the most rational impartial people seem to say it's pretty fair. Good luck with your season and your picks tonight!


Difficult_Farmer8536

I think its a fair trade too, but i’m just sad that they traded Deni who is one of our favorite players in this franchise. I’m feeling better about it knowing about the picks. Please take care of Deni for us, i’ll support you guys.


Raider_Tex

Waaaa


Dreamlion_Inc

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Gphixson

Gutting the team minus Bilal probably makes the most sense right now


Gejduelkekeodjd

That’s a lot to get back for Deni so I’ll reserve most of my judgment until I see what we do with that 14th pick. Deni exceeded expectations last season, was finally coming into his own and is the biggest steal on our roster. They better make this make at least a little sense in the next few hours. I’m sure this won’t be the last move the FO makes.


CookieSlayer2Turbo

2 1st 2 2nd and brogdan, still kinda hate it cause deni is one of the few development cases we had. Still not bad value and we set our timeline to bilals and sarr


chewonmysac

So with #2 #14 #26.of the players drafted tonight we will have 8.99% of the first round. #Weride. Glad I bought a 12 pack.


CookieSlayer2Turbo

We should start a new thread with the updated info, this thread is bipolar af


MooseHeavy3675

Bub Carrington you are a Washington wizard


Less_Huckleberry_211

I know a rebuild requires sacrifices. I really wish this was not the context. I’m normally a ghost on this page just because I just like to see what everyone says about the wizards and I don’t like to put my two cents in. I live in Wisconsin and I am a wizards fan. I am currently in DC for a job interview. I was so excited to watch the draft with fellow wizards fan and be apart of an nba community for once in my god damn life. I can say for the first time in a while I am very sad and upset. Deni Avdija had to be sacrificed for the fourteenth pick. I hope he does well in Portland.


bschwa1439

Deni is a barely above average guy in the NBA. 2 1sts and 2nds and Malcom Brogdon who if he plays well will probably bring back another 1st at the deadline… this is a great trade.


PenultimatePotatoe

One forward gone. This means Sarr or Risacher to me. Good haul for Deni. Good luck to him. Great guy.


StoneyRocksInMySocks

They get two first round picks, two second round picks, and Brogdon for Deni. That is a really good trade. They can flip Brogdon for a pick as well.


Comon_Ladder

Can someone please explain to me why we did this?? I love Deni.


TopOfTheKey

Because we’re blowing it up mode. Everyone that is worth an asset get traded unless you’re new or a generational talent. He got his fair shake last year and proved he’s a starter in the NBA but maybe not a foundational player to build off up. That’s the brutal nature of blowing it up. You get rid of good players in search for great.


Gr8WallofChinatown

The Blazers wanted to buy a below average player who has no potential to being a starter or 6/7th man. The Wizards fleeced them


fromthepharcyde

https://preview.redd.it/78gw07zcxz8d1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c8ab318245bf87f9faf97080f794be9006658ed


bigmikeabrahams

We will still be rebuilding when his contract is up, at which point it will be give him a big contract or he walks. We got a lottery pick, a future first, and a good player who will fetch more assets. That’s a solid return for a dude who just a year ago this sub was ready to ship out of town for a ham sandwich.


MrBuckBuck

To be honest, it seems like the Trail Blazers gave the Wizards an offer they can't refuse.


Goooose

Agreed, MrBuckBuck. I know you’re a huge Deni fan. Will you stick around our sub?


MrBuckBuck

I will, but I'm not sure as much as before. It depends on many things not related to Deni and the NBA as well.


Enough-Thanks638

Deni can be a solid rotational piece but he's never going to be a star


unit_mean

What the FUCK


gingerboiii

We’re a French team now goddammit


nofuture_at_all

What?! This is shocking. I thought he would be a part of our core when he signed the contract. The FO really wants to get that third 1st round pick. What happened to Kuz to Sacramento rumors?


tarunpopo

Ye idk bruh this trade is weird wouldn't have guessed but I get it now from both sides. 2 frps and reigning 6moy (can't stay healthy but still) is nuts. Wings really have a fucking chokehold on this league


pehnoi

Kinda glad, and the trade is decent brogdon is like a taller mike Conley


Boknowsoak

Great move!!!! Sell high buy low!!!!!! Great move........


RoswellHossenfeffer

So it ended up being Deni for Bub/Brogdon/future first/2 seconds. Advantage Wizards.


sammys21

id rather have brogdon;


Appropriate-Cap-4140

Two FRPs, Two SRPs, and potentially a steady PG to either keep or get rid Deni's good but that's a pretty great return


Positive_Tap5666

Garbage trade


Difficult_Farmer8536

WHAT ARE WE DOING


Ihatedallas

Sorry but getting a tradeable asset 14 over, another first and seconds for deni is fine.


Nick_Argue

Good trade despite what some people are saying. You get two firsts (1 lotto tonight, two firsts, and the value you’ll get from an eventual Brogdon trade. Deni was nice here and it was great to see him develop. I won’t get up in arms over this though.


Illustrious-Hair3487

I like it. Two firsts and two(?) seconds is a good return before you even add on whatever we can get for flipping Brogdon. Kind of a bummer that two of those picks are *five years* from now but value is value. Who knows maybe it winds up being a high pick. Maybe we trade it before then too.


Bahamas_is_relevant

Kill me


Ok-Smell5210

Is 2029 a 1st round pick ?


Ravens181818184

This is basically 3 1sts for Deni yall, this is actually a decent move


Accomplished-Tea-606

what the hell my jigga


Bitter-Part-5682

Mavs fan here. Don’t want to salt the wound, but couldn’t you guys get way more for him? Obviously not trading him at all made lot of sense as well


fatbigbuddha

The more I think about it, 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and brogdon (who we will likely flip) is a great haul for a deni. I will miss him a ton but this is what a tank is


CantRecallWutIForgot

Bruh


DCJ202

Yes we need more "athletes" not potential, Kispert is next to go.....Please get this draft correct


SnooMacaroons8650

Wowwwwww that is uhhhh kinda wild. Maybe we were overhyping him but seemed like he just came into his own last season and was up for a break out season for 2024-2025


Available_Heart_6742

LETS GOOOOO!


LazyDocument4528

This is a great trade imo. Probably means Tyus Jones isn’t resigning. Brogdan will be a solid PG for us. I bet we draft a Guard with the next pick.


17_character_limit

lets fucking goooo


KenKaneki92

What the actual fuck? Why?


35chambers

LMAO honestly did not see this coming but im ok with selling high on deni


Organic_Bodybuilder3

He didn’t help us do anything who cares


Solid-Confidence-966

Top 15 pick and good combo guard for Deni? That’s a steal


Accomplished-Plan191

31 year old combo guard


Solid-Confidence-966

He can be traded later


recordcollection64

Yeah, might even get a good young player like Deni Avdija


Dip_the_Dog

We don't need *good* young players, we need a *superstar* young player. And the only way we are going to get that is collecting draft picks until one of them hits.


Bengals8958

No it’s not man what are we talking about. This draft is awful


recordcollection64

In the worst draft in decades? And the "good combo guard" is 31?


cobra872

Thank you


Ok-Stranger7972

Saying goodbye to the deni dickriders ✋🏼, this is a great trade for a guy who cannot go left and just got hot at the 2nd half of the season.


Mine-Cave

Since drafting deni he's been my favorite player.... With that said I think this trade makes a lot of sense for the wizards. They SUCK, draft picks are needed here.


SharkNBA

WHAT THE FUCK WHY DID WE TRADE HIM


Slowhand333

Did anyone tell the Wizard brain team that this is a crappy draft. I am so over this team.


JustGreatness

My season ticket sales rep reached out to me today about renewing and I told him I wanted to see how the offseason played out before I renewed because I wasn’t sure the team was good enough to be worth the investment. This move only solidifies my feelings. I’ll watch on tv and save myself a couple thousand dollars.


recordcollection64

Horrific move


ZJake12

I’m upset


ConcernHopeful6027

I’m so so so so confused


JanVesleyIsMyDad

Fuck that


NoAmbassador8359

WHAT THE FUCK


musicjacker

Well least we don’t have to deal with all those Deni Stans anymore but I do think he was about to take another step oh well.


SavingsMurky6600

deni is mid. this is for the best


Icangetloudtoo_

I’m not Deni obsessed like some people on this sub. But he’s a young guy on a great contract. A great two-way player who can shoot fits on any team and would be in high demand at the deadline. Even if he wasn’t part of our future (and I thought he was), I figured he’d only get moved for an overwhelming offer… which this is not. It’s not a disaster, but it is disappointing.