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JustA9uyI5wear

“This villain has a point, however I don’t see how stealing 40 cakes (that’s four tens btw) changes the status quo.”


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“This villain has a point about how existence entails guaranteed suffering, however I don’t see why he decides to add to it and rape people.”


CptcorvlYT

*establishing shot, Washington DC destroyed, looters, rape out in the open, murder, violence, premarital sex but one man stands on a hill overlooking the city and watches* Main character: he was making such good points earlier, I could have never seen it turning to this


PuterManPog

I like how premarital sex is up there with rape and murder


Honest_Sinatra

That's actually a trope called Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking. The idea is that you list serious crimes, and then end with a weaker example.


Emraldsnakeg

🤓🤓🤓 /S


The-Cydonian

That’s terrible!


personalistrowaway

Walking to the bank covered in chocolate


Lobsterkid17

"do better senator"


LiterallyBatmanIRL

“this is a complete legal nightmare where both parties do have equal claim to land and it’s not the fault of anyone involved, what can we do?” “be better lmao” that falcon show sucked ass lmao


grillMaster_

-Extremist supervillain blows up building filled with innocent people to “send a message” “Hey come on don’t call her a terrorist lmao” -Qualified veteran fulfills the government’s call to action as the new captain America “Yo let’s bully this dude just tryna do his job lol”


Honest_Sinatra

LEAVE U.S. AGENT ALONE!


ThatpersonKyle

US Agent was the best part of the show by far; I wish they would’ve gone further with the evil side of him instead of “redeeming” him from doing almost nothing wrong.


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ahahfoo

Kid named finger:


No_Technology2914

You really managed to pull rape and klansmen out of thin air huh


Giacchino-Fan

I rewatched the speech the other day and I think it’s actually a lot more sensical than people give it credit for. The “better” he wanted the senator to “do” wasn’t magically create a better solution, it was to make sure that the people that would be affected by the decision had a role in the process, so that terrorists wouldn’t rise up to force their voice in like Karli did.


penguinbutcool

🤓


YOGSthrown12

🤓 -🤓


TheWhisperingDoom

"You're right about one thing. I do need capital. And votes. Wanna know why?"


Quantum_Croissant

"I have a dream, Raiden. A society free of cancel culture, where no one can call me out for my outlandish claims. A world where I can say the N-word!"


TheWhisperingDoom

\[in broken japanese\] "Ever harassed a minority Raiden?"


His-Endless-Rambles

The whole point of “do better” is that the GRC have no excuse. They have all the power, money, and influence in the world and yet they only use it to serve themselves and maintain the status quo. It’s not about laws and the GRC give zero shits about the parties who have equal claim. They just didn’t want to put in the work required to give both parties what they need. The only reason the GRC were uprooting Blip refugees was because they wanted to rush a return to the pre Snap status quo instead of putting that power, money, and influence to good use and finding a solution that’ll benefit everyone. Sam literally says all this but people froth at the mouth just because he says two words they didn’t like. Even though he’s right! They do need to do better. Sam is a superhero, it’s not his job to write legislations or pass laws. He’s not a hypocrite for telling the people in power to get their shit together. The whole speech is about not taking the easy way out, which is what Sam was doing when he gave up being Captain America. Which is what Bucky was doing when he avoided getting closure as the Winter Soldier. It was a lesson they both had to learn. If you want to be a better person and make a better world you have to put in the work. Falcon and the Winter Soldier has its problems (I may like the show but boy does it drop the ball in some places) but Sam’s speech is definitely not one of them.


Gabriel38

“this is a complete legal nightmare where both parties do have equal claim to land and it’s not the fault of anyone involved, what can we do?” “be better lmao”


theeshyguy

Contrary to what some people apparently believe, throwing “infinite money” at a complex issue does not always fix it. Sometimes it makes it worse, actually. You can’t *buy* philosophical answers, or intelligence that does not exist. Saying “they should’ve just thrown money at it to come up with a compromising solution (that, poetically, *I don’t know about*)” is just a long winded version of that completely worthless “do better!”


PartTimeMemeGod

Proof that throwing money at something doesn’t necessarily make it better: American public schools


redditiskindashitngl

The villain has a point, however I don't see how destroying the fucking universe is gonna help


Gabriel38

Thanos


AntusFireNova64

Thanos only deletes *half* of the universe


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MayflowerOne

Thanos's motivation for killing half the universe is pretty much gone in the MCU tbh, he did it in the comics because he had a boner for literal Death and wanted to win her over.


UltimateWaluigi

Commiting mass genocide for pussy like a true sigma male


TheWhisperingDoom

That's a beta move. A sigma commits genocide because the voices in their head tell them to.


Honest_Sinatra

Is Death anything other than a voice in his head that makes Thanos commit genocide? Like, does she have an actual physical form?


TheWhisperingDoom

In the comics? [Yeah she does](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_(Marvel_Comics)). In the MCU? Lady Death hasn't been introduced (yet) so we don't know.


Honest_Sinatra

Thank you. I'm not familiar with the comics at all.


penguinbutcool

actually her statue is in Thor:LaT alongisde with eternity etc.


Whisperer94

Why this doesn’t have more likes ?


Skitaree

You absolutely fucking shitard,that's what you call being a simp


Big_brown_house

Sigma would kill the lady also.


anotherformerlurker

I thought he just really wanted to prove to himself that his solution of just randomly killing people to preserve resources on Titan would have worked, even if it meant taking it to a universal scale.


TheWhisperingDoom

That's probably the most realistic interpretation of his motives in the MCU. That he doesn't want to admit that maybe that genocide plan isn't all that clever and would not have fixed the problem on Titan, and will go to any length to prove himself right. But the only evidence for that is in Endgame when he talks about how the universe was ungrateful or whatever and even then that's more subtext than anything.


AntusFireNova64

That makes more sense


AntusFireNova64

I never thought of that 🤔


CannedMinnesota

Thanos was retarded because his adopted daughter Gamorra, the last of her species, is literal proof that his theory of killing half doesn’t work.


Gabriel38

Wait, she is?


CannedMinnesota

Yeah dawg. She’s the last of her species even though Thanos did his whole half-genocide of her species. Living proof his theory is bullshit


Gabriel38

Avengers endgame


penguinbutcool

Avengers endgame


boiifyoudontboiiiiii

"If you genuinely think he has a point listen to his speech. He literally wants to turn America into The Purge." -🤓


OscarOzzieOzborne

Based! And Purge Pilled! Death to the Yankees!


[deleted]

I hate this trope. It doesn't really matter if he makes a few salient points when he's in a child soldier factory.


robo-the-cool-guy

Can't fret over every egg


TheWhisperingDoom

I feel like the people who say that completely miss the subtext of what Armstrong means when he says "weak". He doesn't mean the poor or the disabled - hell, he says that Raiden, who was born poor and is literally a skull and spine attached to a mech, is the embodiment of his ideals. Armstrong wants people who are willing to fight for what they believe in - to Armstrong, the question of strong and weak is about strength of will, not physical strength. In his speech, he singles out lawyers, bureaucrats, internet celebrities, and people who make others fight their wars for them. He never talks about the poor or the disabled. That being said, Armstrong's America would still totally screw over the average joe.


Umbran_scale

The problem is that even if Armstrongs beliefs were to be put into action, those beauracrats and celebrities would still come out on top purely because of there status compared to the weak and disabled.


Giacchino-Fan

He also talks about “ending pointless wars” while his system would encourage me to kill grocery store employees over the price of apples. He’s like Killmonger from Black Panther. The problems he sees are there, and there’s no denying that, it’s just that his solution is… unsavory.


personalistrowaway

Armstrong's america wouldn't have anything in place from preventing the same structures from forming out of the chaos. People aren't going to instantly hear that and go "I guess this man solved politics, let's all follow his direction".


TeggieVails

If you listen to “ collective Consciousness“ he goes into more detail about how to use The Patriot filter to make sure everyone fights for what they believe in. “The Unenlightened Masses, They cannot make the judgement call Give up free will forever, their voices won’t be heard at all Display obedience while never stepping out of line And blindly swear allegiance, let your country control your mind” He plans to use The Patriots to create a 24/7 psyop to constantly keep people in a state of fighting while profiting off his connections to World Marshal. In other terms, he is basically Hitler v. Poland or the average U.S. President v. Anything not American


Slap_duck

Collective Conscience is what Raiden thinks Armstrongs plan is. Once you listen to his speech, raiden realises he was wrong and both have not too dissimilar goals


TeggieVails

Ahh. I skipped his speech. Either way the goals align. Armstrong is just the radical opposite


TheWhisperingDoom

Collective Consciousness is everything Armstrong hates. It is the opposite of his ideals.


TeggieVails

See my response to the other comment


hottoastymemes

Armstrong just wants people to fight for ideals they believe in instead of for the benefit of a government or company. He wants to end war as a business. So the people who say this are actually wrong.


xXSpg101Xx

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (2001)


[deleted]

At least he got what he wanted in MGS 4.


zoggybread34

"america forcing their culture around the world at the expense of others is bad, so kill anyone who speaks english" ​ \- Skull Face


FriendlyButNot

The only villain I've truly agreed with


Lazarusmp4

The villain when he kills innocent people(he has a point tho so its ok)


Vulture_Dude

r/whenthe try not to turn any meme into a lore meme challenge millisecond 000.2


manbuckets2001

Impossible difficulty


AntusFireNova64

The villain solution to the problem: *THERE WILL BE BLOOD(BLOOD)SHED(SHED)*


TheWhisperingDoom

THE MAN IN THE MIRROR NODS HIS HEAD


Royal-Jelly-8064

Jetstream Sam. [travelling on interstate 16] {lol} {motorcycle} Jack: *There are rumors that the Nords are attempting to capture the whole of Solstheim*. *Anyone looking for work should consider the fighter's guild, i heard they're always looking for new recruits*.. Doktor: Raiden you ran over a child 9 Miles back what are you going to do??!!! Jack: Good day. **[THE ELDER SCROLLS IV - OBLIVION]** [bike suddenly stops] Brian Griffin: Oh so now you decide to stop. Jack: Im running late. ****** Jetstream Sam: Oh don't worry Raiden, the clown college is closer than you think.. Jack: Its right infront of me.. Jetstream Sam: Hahahaha, *kill yourself* Your ass will always be cringe, and my ass will always be ***thicc*** Jack: 497 North Parker Drive [The Only Thing I Know For Real theme plays] Jetstream Sam: Oh good, haha.. you're getting more based by the day!.. But i live with my mother.. Brian Griffin: Is this her house?? [shows picture of a suburb home] (Sword Shiiing Effect) ***{FIGHT}*** THERE WILL BE BLOOD! SHED! THE MAN IN THE MIRROR NODS HIS HEAD THE ONLY ONE! LEFT! WILL RIDE UPON THE DRAGONS BACK BECAUSE THE MOUNTAINS DON'T GIVE BACK WHAT THEY TAKE OH NO THERE WILL BE BLOOD! SHED! ITS THE ONLY THING I'VE EVER KNOOOWN! .... (after the based fighting) Jetstream Sam: Guess i have no choice..... i challenge you to a debate... Jack: What the fuck? no. Jetstream Sam: *dies of cringe*


Dardenellia

no sex, 2/10


Royal-Jelly-8064

(after a long very painful headache and slow walking to Amazon HQ) ???: How pleased are you to chop away, Jack the Ripper.. You could say that im a bi---[can't hear you lol] Jack: what? ???: My name is Monsoon, of the Sussy Imposters...[AMOGUS] Jack: what the fuc- Monsoon: ***Emergency Meeting*** d/5/5/'5i→_→ng d###ing 🤣😂😂😃ding di###gn ding d🤣😂🤣###😂🤣ididing###pussy$@@'""'' Jack: Please stop Monsoon: hehehe... no 🤣AM°Д°="*'/5/*'ONGUS😂😀←_←depression😂AAA🤣😀AMI!65/6'NGUS😂😀stop=9//85/5 posting ab→_→out smongus177013177013😂SUSSY /":'*$/!π``£`_~_™BAKAS😂 Jack: There's something genuinely wrong about you Monsoon: Its just a little trolling Jack, you're in the land of the free afterall.. Jack: And your ideal of freedom is enslaving children??!! Monsoon: Do you know what the civil war was? Its cringe or be cringe Jack, Soon you'll understand.. Monsoon: "Free will is a myth, religion is a joke, were all pawns controlled by something greater." ***"MEMES.. The DNA of the Soul.."*** They are our culture.. our clout.. Jack: How about Full of Shit.. is that a meme? Monsoon: No it isn't you fucking amoeba. You'll never be ***based*** with memes like that.. [edginess intensifies] Jack: You're right.. about me i mean. Monsoon: What?. Jack: I though i could be just like you but.. that is a mistake. (you would not believe your eyes, if ten million fireflies, lit up the world as i fell asleep)- Perhaps i am cringe, but that makes me FREE.. Monsoon: Thats ***SUS*** [Raiden gets stabbed] Jack: Doktor.. turn off my cringe inhibitors.. Doktor: But Raiden, You'll lose subscriber Jack: DO IT Doktor: ok Jack: ***$*'*AAAAHHH'/",", I WAS FUCKING JOKING WHY DID YOU DO IT*** (WOPPA GANGNAM STYLE) Monsoon: You think you can just log off Jack? Jack: Im starting to see where your getting at. If based is what i think it means, then caring about your shitty posts are a long way off.. Monsoon: Thats rich coming from the likes of you.. Jack: family guy funny moment😂🤣😂😁🤣 ***AND IT WILL COME*** ***LIKE A FLOOD OF RAIN (PAIN)*** ***POURING DOWN ON ME*** ***AND IT WILL NOT LET UP UNTIL THE END IS HERE*** ***AND IT WILL COME*** ***THROUGH THE DARKEST DAY*** ***IN MY FINAL HOUR*** ***AND IT WILL NEVER REST UNTIL THE CLOUDS ARE CLEAR*** ***UNTIL IT FINDS MY DREAMS HAVE DISAPEAAA-A-A-A-A-A-A-AAAAAREED*** Monsoon: THE MEMES... Jack: You are decapitated. Don't worry, its just a little trolling, right? :) Monsoon: DO NOT REPOST MY MEMES BACK AT ME. Jack: Oh i wouldn't worry about that, because your memes, end here.


Dardenellia

good sex 👍


TheMishOfficial

Legend of Korra


baconborg

I feel like that show could have been a lot better if it was just given more time and less corporate meddling. Still pretty good though


TheMishOfficial

I see your point. But please consider: Henry Rollins


Honest_Sinatra

Henry Rollins? That's the VA for the Airbender dude who could fly, right? The one who tried to bring balance by completely throwing any semblance of Order out the window? Totally caused the 4th Season's conflict? "Haha, Zaheer. You are totally banging my daughter!"\~Sparky Sparky Boom Man That guy?


DaudyMentol

Korra was bad because every seson was basically the same... Korra is okay and is training - arch enemy is presented - she struggles at first - enemy is beaten in the last episode of the series. Now multiply by 4 and you have legend of korra series... Not to mention how Mako wasnt even needed in last season, bollin was dumber each season, and many other characters were just sidelined and basically used for posters... Korra to me is like 7/10 show for adults. Last airbender was 11/10. No way arround it.


baconborg

I mean the seasons having the same process doesn’t really make it bad, the actual events in between I found entertaining. Also how was Mako not needed? He blew up the robots reactor thing. Regardless like I said if they had more time and less meddling they could’ve done all the characters better instead of a select few, Tenzin’s reconciling with his siblings I found to be very interesting and Korra’s arc of legitimate debilitation to recovery is still notable to me.


DaudyMentol

The repetitiviness got really annoying in the fourth season, Mako was literally sidelined to that one deed. You can take him out of the season and literally nothing would change outside that one scene. I am not aware of the meddling but the final product is just nowhere near the Last airbender. If they got more time as you said it could have been so much better but first and last season finales felt rushed...


XWomanSlayer69X

What the fuck are you talking about? Korra is a fucking mess at the start of Season 4. She is bound to a wheelchair from getting poisoned and even when she can walk again, the poison tortures her and it takes FUCKING TOPH BEIFONG to cure her.


DaudyMentol

Korra is supposedly ok after toph heals her, she still strugles against that metal bending psycho, then out of nowhere beats her. Honestly outside of season 3 all of the season finales are literally the same thing. In Last airbender Ang atleast has good explenation for his ex machina. And no i dont have nostalgia, i watched them back to back for the first time this easter. Korra is just not as good. If it didnt have some redeeming story archs such as, new airbemders, angs kids patching things up etc. Korra would be average for adults.


XWomanSlayer69X

Lmao, claims to not have nostalgia, does have nostalgia. The lion-turtle and the energy bending came out of nowhere. Korra didn't beat Kuvira, she could barely do anything against her and TEMPORARILY gained the upper hand by activating the fucking Avatar State. Which she couldn't keep up for long because she still didn't fully recover and ultimately lost.


DaudyMentol

I literally watched it 4 motnhs ago for the first time dumbass monkey, I dont have nostalgia. Korra just isnt good tv series. Its better than average, but not good. The story telling is scuffed, character arcs are fucked up, its repetetive and the evolution of the world doesnt make sense given that not even 100 years passed since Last air bender ended. Seems like you are the one with nostalgia.


XWomanSlayer69X

And now you are insulting me. I am aware that the series has lots of flaws, Season 2 in particular. Your main points are not valid criticism. And the way you talk about Season 4 makes it sound like you either never watched it or forgot too much about it. >and the evolution of the world doesnt make sense given that not even 100 years passed since Last air bender ended. The fire nation had tanks, airships and was on the technological level of WW1 in TLA. The world of Avatar does not follow the same rules as ours does. And even if it did, compare Japan from the late 19th century to Japan in the early 20th century.


DaudyMentol

So first of all if you cant read you will get insulted, second i may have forgot names and such but i didnt forget the story which was atrocious btw. First and third season were the only good ones and third was the only one i would consider awesome. Also i am not taking about the technology, but dont you find it interesting that bending lightning is super difficult and rare in last air bender but in first season thats literally source for electricity for the whole republic city, which btw isnt in fire nation so they dont even have most firebenders. Same goes for metal bending only 1 out of 100 earth benders can metal bend. But somehow in 100 years republic city has enough earth benders that their police forxe can be full of metal benders? Thats insane growth of both earth benders that were supressed by fire nation and metal benders who yeah could have attended metal bending academy that beifong started still the numbers seem too unrealistic and all of the series is plagued with oversights like this.


XWomanSlayer69X

>i didnt forget the story which was atrocious btw Lmao, how cute. You totally forgot it, otherwise you would bring better and more valid points. Either that or you are a troll. It could be that barely anyone could bend lightning because only the royal family knew about the technique in the first place?! And...and it could be that no one could bend metal in ATLA because Toph fucking invented it?! I know, sometimes my own genius terrifies me. Earth benders are the largest demographic in the world. Toph taught it to her daughters who in turn taught their subordinates.


Narwhalpilot88

She did not fuck Toph


ThinkMyNameWillNotFi

I hate that trope. But in revengance senator deserved to die and his ideology was retarded.


Renilx

I agree (i'm still stuck in Bladewolf thus, i didn't reached Senator Armstrong)


engispyro

Blade wolf is basically a check to see if you’ve learned how to parry yet, he took me 20 minutes but when I just looked up how to parry I beat him third try


TheWhisperingDoom

The first time I played the game, I had no clue how to parry, so what I ended up doing was essentially just using Ninja Run to dodge his attacks and occasionally getting a hit in with the slide attack (right-click while using Ninja Run), essentially kicking him to death. The next couple of times I tried to fight him were no damage attempts and I still didn't know how to parry so I just used either Monsoon's magnetic dagger or Infinite Wig A + EMP grenades to stunlock him and beat him to death with the HF Murasama and/or Mistral's polearm-whip. By the time I went to play Sam's DLC I had learned to parry so I fought him the way he was supposed to be fought (except I heard that you're supposed to dodge not parry his attacks in the Sam DLC so I don't even know anymore).


MRMichael7

I wan't to say this in the nicest way possible, but I can't tell whether or not you're an idiot or a improv genius


TheWhisperingDoom

I think both at once?


Detector_of_humans

How about monsoon?


Quantum_Croissant

You just have to parry, literally all of his attacks can be parried. Just press light attack and forward together and you won't take any damage, you barely even have to time it


grimoireskb

Armstrong made one good point of trying to end war as a business tactic (by…using war as a business tactic?) but as previously stated he didn’t go about it any sort of good way. His point of “men can just kill anyone as long as they believe in it” was dumb and Raiden removing him from existence was the right move. Iirc it pushed him to take down corps that were similar to Armstrong’s to try and stop war as a business


Local_man__

"The villain has a point" The point:Society sucks,let's make it even worse!


Gabriel38

Killmonger: racism bad Riddler: corruption bad Magneto: racism bad Poison ivy: pollution bad Ra's al ghul: corruption bad Thanos: overpopulation bad


AdApprehensive7646

And they solve it by mass murder and destruction


Gabriel38

If the cause is just but some bad actors go about it the wrong way. Is the cause still just?


AdApprehensive7646

Most of the people you mentioned are sociopaths and narcissists who use their cause as an excuse for their actions.


Gabriel38

Maybe that's true, but only for the Riddler. The rest do believe in their cause. Magneto was a holocaust survivor. Thanos watched his planet and his people died to overpopulation. Ra's Al Ghul lost his wife. Killmonger was abandoned and left to fend for himself. I'm not that familiar with poison ivy so I can't speak for her. But the point is, some of these villains do care for their cause.


AdApprehensive7646

Magneto and Kilmonger are true but Thanos was going to kill the entire universe just because they tried to bring back loved ones. Ra’s Al Ghul tries to cause mass murder and terrorism so the world can be how he wants it.


Gabriel38

Yeah, I don't like how they treat Thanos in avengers endgame either. Ra's Al Ghul was too blinded by vengeance to see the harm he would cause. But that doesn't mean he believes in his cause any less.


leris1

Genuinely believing your actions justify the end goal doesn’t make them good


Gabriel38

No, but the cause is still just. Is racism not bad? Is corruption not bad? Is overpopulation not bad? Is pollution not bad?


Bragunetzki

(The villain killed a dog in act 1)


donguscongus

A lot of villains make good points but at the same time I rather keep the status quo than death cults and martial dictatorships being common place


D-AlonsoSariego

The bad guy from Black Panther: we are a superadvanced civilization and we have done nothing to stop the colonization and enslavement of our bretheren Also the bad guy from Black Panther: I like punching women


CannedMinnesota

Average American football pro athlete


TheWhisperingDoom

"Played college ball, ya know." "At some cushy Ivy League school." "Try University of Texas. Coulda gone pro if I hadn't joined the Navy. I'm not one of those beltway pansies. I could break the president in two... with my bare hands."


TheWhisperingDoom

Killmonger didn't want to stop colonialism, he just wanted to be the one doing it.


Honest_Sinatra

Why did this make me laugh?


Detector_of_humans

That just means you aren't based enough, jack


[deleted]

Good thing the villain just killed 1 billion disabled babies or the audience might have to think or something


Prevay

*I CARVE MY OWN PATH*


TheWhisperingDoom

YOU FOLLOWED YOUR WRATH


Quantum_Croissant

BUT MAYBE WE'RE BOTH THE SAME


Hazarawn

love and thunder and the batman and leg of korra


i_hate_flys-jr

The leg of korra


CaptainHomie69

The Batman (2022)


FFalcon_Boi

Fitting that you chose Metal Gear Rising, since this is exactly what happens (before you correct me: Yes, Armstrong's plan was deeply flawed, I'm just saying he had a point, not that all of them were good)


Labyx_

\*This villain barely has a conceivible point and is trying to turn america to shit, time to beat his ass and do what he was gonna do better


neofooturism

isn’t that what Thomas Edison was doing


Labyx_

it is what senator armsrong did at least, I don't think eddison did that, sounds more like nikola tesla


928292828292

To be fair changing the status quo in a terrible system isn’t always good. The French Revolution put an end to a terrible and outdated feudal system, which led to a weak republic, which led to an extremely violent 12 man dictatorship, which was replaced with another weak republic, which led to Napoleon taking power for himself. This all happened in the span of 13 years.


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Persona 5 royal


PrizmatikkLaser

I haven’t played Royal myself, but isn’t base P5 literally about changing the status quo?


AliPrimeo

Something something adachi cabbage something something bitches and whores


Epic_Gameing68

that’s persona 4


Honest_Sinatra

You've mistaken Adachi for Akechi. That's reasonable, since they practically have the same name.


mozgus3

It is, but it does a really bad job at advocating for it, together with its incoherent plot.


Nearby_Ad_6701

alliance from aot


penguinbutcool

i mean at the end they got what they deserved expected outcome


leris1

Who’s the alliance again I forgor


Nearby_Ad_6701

Armin, connie, jean, mikasa, hange, reiner, annie, pieck


leris1

Were they portrayed as villains narratively though?


Darvasi2500

I think they meant how the alliance is basically "Yeah the outside world sucks and we'll all be killed but genocide bad so let's stop the rumbling".


[deleted]

Or more accurately, "The villain had a point, but then the writers made him kill innocent women and children so that I can be justified to beat the shit out of him to preserve the status quo and change nothing about the system."


Q_dawgg

I like doing this in the walking dead telltale games. Even when the Villains have a good point I make sure to brutally kill them Becuase I’m a hypocrite.


RandyTandyMandy

Tbf the villains plan is usually to change things from "everything sucks" into "everything is on fire and I get to drop kick homeless people"


Caspian0951

I like how in MGR, Raiden actually goes on to become Armstrong’s successor after defeating him, because he realizes he’s correct.


Massive_Booty_8255

He had a point until he blew up the fucking orphanage for no reason


ChargedYeti

To be fair, a good chunk of the villains in MGR do make a point.


ApprenticeFemboy

"All we're saying is... GIVE WAR A CHANCE!"


FreshPrinceOfRio

This hits hard after watching the new Thor movie


Gabriel38

Explain


FreshPrinceOfRio

Gonna shamelessly spoil it because you shouldn't care anyway. Basically, all of the gods from Quetzalcoatl to Apollo turn out to be a bunch of egotistical, cowardly supremacists who hide away in this big space citadel while all of the shit was hitting the fan in the rest of the movies, because they don't give a hoot about mortals. The main villain, Gorr the god butcher, experiences this first hand after his main god laughs in his face for thinking he deserved any kind of reward after trekking across a desert and watching every single one of his fellow followers die of starvation, including his own daughter, and so plans to wish all gods into nonexistence through a magical macguffin. Thor, however, does not like the idea of mortals being free to choose their own destiny instead of relying on prayers to absentee gods to solve their problems, because that would imply he and his fellow selfish friends would stop existing, so he rushes to stop the God Butcher with an ex-girlfriend she-Thor and a valkyrie girl Thor is laughed at by Zeus, told directly that Zeus couldn't give two shits what the villain did as long as he didn't get to the citadel. Thor is nearly killed by the gods, but but that doesn't stop him from going forward with his plan of fucking the god butcher up and maintaining the current state of affairs anyway. Skipping to the climax, Thor and his love interest kiss, and the sheer cuteness of that power couple convinces the god butcher that he shouldn't grant freedom from divine tiranny to all of mortality. He really looked at them and thought "yeah, the lives of everyone I ever knew, not to mention the trillions more across the universe who die everyday due to these mfs not caring, are definitely worth the ship"


AandromydA

No way the last part is real


FreshPrinceOfRio

[i misremembered it slightly ](https://youtu.be/q2HztBNFvEQ?t=2m45s) Too long; didn't watch: > No, Gorr, don't do it, it's not revenge or death that you want, it's LOVE 💕 > But my daughter, Thor, whaddamy gonna do if i cant avenge my daughter? > I don't care and i won't stop you, I'd rather spend the little that remains of my life with my girlfriend 😍 Gorr's entire life conviction shattered, he wishes for his daughter back instead of the death of the gods, as Thor and she-Thor kiss passionately.


ApprenticeFemboy

Villian: *makes their point a little well* Writer: ... And then they butt fucked an entire orphanage and killed a puppy


LyuboUwU

Attack on Titan past the Rumbling lol


Enpoping

I want the game let us joining the bad guy


FuckingScullion

"I'm butthurt that my fringe political beliefs we're portrayed in a way I don't agree with, I should make a million memes complaining about it."


penguinbutcool

Transformers


Mother-Dish348

But the villain killed people. It does not matter how many. Even if the hero has killed more innocent people that the villain.


ninjaian06

yea thats basically the plot of mgr


OscarOzzieOzborne

Senator Armstrong has a point in the same way someone saying "There are only 3 chair, but we have 5 children. This is bad. Therefore we should kill 2 children" has a point.


D-AlonsoSariego

The classic "the villain sees the problem but it's just an excuse to start a fascist regime" trope


OscarOzzieOzborne

Or alternatively "the villain sees the problem, but it is misguided abiut the solution" By all account, Armstrong genuinely thought he was right. People forget that just because the problem is sound, the solution they present isn't.


Detector_of_humans

He had a point, an ideal that meant something, but this whole "mutilating children and sacrificing hundreds of lives foe the sake of a freedom that isn't even gaurenteed" is kinda fucked and doesnt further his agenda in any meaningful way


totesshitlord

Social darwinism and fascism aren't good values or ideals.


Detector_of_humans

It meant something it just wasn't a good thing


Chiyuri_is_yes

Wonder twins:


ur_momhatesu

Johnny joestar moment


EXusiai99

Valentine was about to trade the entire world for the US. Maybe if he destroyed California to the ground before doing the entire jesus corpse thinge i'd root for him


ur_momhatesu

Fair


Darth__Potato

I do not think using religious Power to greatly benefit your own country as the great expense of every other one is anywhere close to Moral or even changes the Status Quo of "I want to make my country the best No Matter what" that Valentine Had going on for the entire Part.


ur_momhatesu

Hey man, no misfortune sounds pretty good to me, no matter how you do it


Smlllbunny

Harry Potter


ofufnfighskfj

Nah in black panther he goes and helps the neighborhood where killmonger grew up at the end


24MilestoGo

r/whenthelore


CrusaderTurk

This was literally Black Panther. Killmonger wanted Wakanda to open up to the world and help blacks people world-wide. He fought Tchalla fair and square, won, and became king. But Tchalla couldn’t lose because he was the protagonist and that would mess up the status quo, so he started a war to dethrone him. Then after killing Killmonger he opened up Wakanda to the world anyway


Jalord

Average J.K. Rowling book


RetardedRat12

Persona 5 royal


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mozgus3

Thanos was wrong bc his entire plan was based on a completely illogical argument and plot induced stupidity. Killing half of the universe would just mean that certain species would die of lack of population and others would just start reproducing back to where they were. Also, the Gauntlet effectively granted him omnipotence, he could even do something as slowing down the reproduction time of the species as well as optimazing their usage of resources, such as a liter of water being enough to sustain a human for a week. Not to mention that he could just cull the old population instead of half of it and live as a dictator that ensured the life of the universe. Incredibly, comic Thanos motive was better thought out, Death was indeed a lovely woman.


Adrianismeow

Yay we’re praising sociopathy. Dumbasses, they did terrible shit and are going to do more terrible shit, incorporate their beliefs if they’re so terrible


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Honest_Sinatra

Do they though?


Itz_Hen

He didnt tho, his point was that the weak should be purged from society


cursedsoul1382

handsome jack


cheesedispensinggato

free at last.