I have one corner of a 2-car garage. About 10ā x 10ā, or 100 sq ft. I can expand into the driveway when the Indiana weather allows, but gotta pack it back into the 10x10 when Iām done.
My shop is 1200 sq feet. When I moved in, I thought I'd never outgrow it. 4 years later, I'm debating adding on or getting a bigger shop. You'll outgrow 1000 sq ft...
Dude I used this automatic sander to sand all sides of like 200 of these 2ā sticks of alder within 4 hrs, it absolutely blew my mind and it was absolutely perfectly flat every time. Was the difference of 2 weeks of sanding by hand.
I have a sliding table saw and a wide belt sander and couldn't imagine life without now. I couldn't imagine working without. Maybe I didn't understand the title to this thread but I would beg borrow or steal to replace these
I mean I donāt know if I āneedā them because I operate fine withoutā¦ but they are on my list of next to get for the shop. Especially as I get older, trying to be more efficient!
I thought that until I had one. I'm a lot more productive and actually build more pieces. If I had to start selling tools, this would be pretty far down the list.
Iād still take the 500 for me, the 700 is very large comparatively and I donāt do many items large enough to justify the 700. 500 does all the furniture I make currently, maybe if I did a bunch of big doors or tables Iād feel differently.
I have said adapter for my 700 but the problem, the 700 is still a big tool when working on small stock. I was building something simple recently out of 3/4ā ply. When it came time to the mitered corners, I nearly screwed up because the machine really isnāt setup for smaller stock.
Good to know. Does this happen because referencing the work surface with the base of the tool puts the cutter too high?
Iām on the cusp of buying one or the other, mainly to glue up chair seats (2ā thick). I want the 700 because I want to be able to do large gates and carriage doors, but I build plenty with 3/4ā stock. Iām thinking my biscuit jointer (Lamello Top 21) will always do that work.
I do this professionally so cost is written into the work, and price difference is nominal over the lifetime of the tool
Yeah, I used a scrap piece first. Itās really how itās referenced and the fence drift, balancing the machine. I have the imperial depth setting scale attached as well when I do 3/4 but itās still more thinking and planning than Iād like be just having the 500 around.
Also, shelf layoutā¦on the 500, you can lay the shelf out and simply use your stock to reference and make your plunges. The 700 doesnāt allow this. Not a huge deal, just more time and marking but more chances for mistakes for me.
I got the domino for speed and time saving. Like you, I wanted the 700 for bigger projects but Iāll be picking up the 500 pretty soon. Iām tired of the fiddling around with my 700.
I got to use one a lot at my previous job doing custom furniture and carpentry. Was awesome to be able to knock out small pieces for my home in a couple hours when I had a short day. That convinced me itās worth it for me, because itās such an effective solution for so many situations!
Iām really surprised how much I like it. Iād been using a radial arm saw for most cross cuts and the mft is pretty much the same thing just with more capacity. Iām not a huge fan of the fence. Seems like a lot of work to get it reset to 90 so Iām fiddling around with one that just drops into the dog holes.
I bought one a month ago and itās already made things so much easier. I was building with pocket holes for so long. Now I can cut pieces, line them all out, domino them and then dry fit in the same day. Then take it all apart and sand or do what I need to do to get them to a glue up.
A 3D printer could be very useful in my garage wood shop. Otherwise I'd say a Saw Stop. Since I have a table saw I don't technically need a different one. The same answer would go for a drill press. I have a shitty benchtop drill press but over the last couple of days I once again found it inadequate for my needs.
I will say a 3d printer is worth it. Even if you donāt design your own things. The amount of free files you can print for organization, brackets, tools even. Itās well worth it. I use mine to print customer brackets or decorative pieces for projects.
Packout adapters is a big thing for me. I want to print a ton of shit for racking tools or making rafter hook adapters. I know there's companies that sell them but I'm not paying 40 to 50$ for 25 cents of plastic that they spit out in 10 minutes.
You can find drill presses super cheap on Marketplace. They're kinda turning into the same levels of demand as a radial arm saw. I got an older Delta/Rockwell with a 1.5 hp motor and an incredibly long 8-inch throw for 400 bucks. Basically, there is zero runout at a 5.5-inch extension.
100% conditional and theyāve limited their contribution to a single patent, and potential assistance in design implementation of it.
Also the committee seems to have a mix of tempers, data comprehension and give-a-shits beyond sound bytes so I donāt see them pulling together something so complex in a meaningful way, but who knows.
The press release they announced their ādedicating the patent to the publicā specifically referenced a patent that expired in Jan 2023. Itās already āopenā. They have other patents they could use to block competitors or force licensing fees.
I want a 3d printer but I probably don't have the computer skills to input my designs. I have great ideas in my brain but putting them on paper for a machine to spit out is tough. Though I can execute those ideas by hand without blueprints. It's frustrating.
To quote my mother in law when my granddaughter said "I can't read." She said "of course you can, you just haven't learned how yet.". Simple statement but it always stuck with me about not letting something stop me just because I can't do it... Yet.
I'm just not interested in becoming a tech wizard for 3d printing when it helps my career very little. It's cool but not cool enough for me to invest hundreds of hours into. When I bill at 120$/hr with my business I'll just pay some cunt that already knows how to do it, to do it.
You just need the right printer. A friend recently steered me to Bambu Labs. Literally plug and play. Couldn't be easier. Once you discover Gridfinity (look it up now!) you won't go back. All free, all open source, easy to do with a Bambu printer.
I feel ya on all of those. Luckily, my buddy has a nice 3D printer, so I can't justify getting one. A cabinet saw is the next upgrade I plan on purchasing, im currently using a dewalt 8 1/4" table saw and the cheapest Wen drill press. Larger capacity and power on both sounds like a dream.
A single $200 3d printer (I suggest the sovol sv06) has saved me hundreds of dollars during my woodworking career. Dust collection fittings, clamping jigs, organizational tools, cases for specialty tools, and so much more have been just a click of a button away.
I bought my 3D printer because I wanted to print organizers for my board game, and I've ended up using it so much for DIY and woodworking.
One of the most useful prints for me was shop vac adapters. I could not find a way to connect my belt sander to my shop vac without buying 3 different adapters for a few $ each, so it designed and printed one instead for maybe $0.05 worth of material
I want to change my previous response to include a standalone planner. I have a tiny one that was given to me. But it is way too small to be of any use
Technically everything I own woodworking, it's a hobby not a living.
At this point the last major purchase items I have before I'm "done" is a Hammer A3-41 16" jointer/planer combo and a Supermax 19-38 drum sander. I'd like a CNC and laser cutter but don't think I can fit those in my shop without giving up too much empty floor space I need for projects. I have a my dream shop but if I was to ever upgrade to my bigger dream shop I'd like a dedicated finishing room and wood storage area, a bathroom and utility sink, and a 2nd larger 18" bandsaw I could dedicate to a wider saw blade so I could dedicate the 14" to curves.
Everything else I pretty much have at this point and the smaller items are covered by birthdays and Christmas every year.
Funny, this is almost exactly where Iām at. Been lusting after the A3-41 and a super max drum sander for a while. I also am not naive enough to think that if I got those tools that Iād actuallyābe doneā though š¤£.
There's definitely a limit. I hit it one when I was in a smaller shop and couldn't upgrade anything as I just didn't have the space, so didn't for several years. When I moved to my current shop I upgraded a lot of my machines. At this point minus the jounter/planer I currently have there's simply nothing significant of an upgrade to justify the cost not being a production shop. There's just a few tools I'd like that I can't fit and that's it. Am I "done" no, but that excitement at looking at tools is pretty much gone as I have most of it already. Nobody is shelling out $7k for a hammer for me and the 6 more affordable items I want a year I save for the wish list so I can give people options besides socks and underwear ;)
For sure. My comment was mostly tongue in cheek. I currently have a powermatic 6" extended bed jointer and a old 13" Delta/Rockwell planer. Most of what I do these machines can get me to where I need to go, but it's hard to not keep looking at upgrades longingly. Also harder to justify spending top dollar on them. And your point about running out of space is definitely valid.
Jointer (no space for it),
domino (but I have an alternative for floating tenons),
Drill press (this may be my next buy if a project would benefit greatly from it),
Drum sander (no space, not enough use to justify),
CNC (no space)
Laser (no space)
I have the jessem pocket mill pro. Like it. Especially for scenarios when it makes more sense to bring the work to the tool. Requires an extra jig though to bring it to the workpiece (like in the middle of the face of a sheet of plywood).
Not cheap but certainly much cheaper than the domino
I have one, and it's done wonders for my workflow.
I'm in the middle of a large build with a 7 foot wide grille, and I was able to mill out a perfect grid of sockets for the top and bottom rails so I can fit everything in.
If I'm being honest, I probably could have done it with dowels and a spacing jig, but this guaranteed perfect alignment. I checked the alignment error when I was done, and total delta across the full length was about 1mm.
I tend to work on some seriously large pieces of wood that bringing it to a piece of equipment isnt possible. Being able to bring the piece of equipment to the wood is the only option I have sometimes. It could open up a lot of possibilities for unique check control inlay and joinery for sure
Being able to do in-situ work has been one of my favorite things about it. It allows you to index off a reference edge and map a grid on a surface, so you can log two perpendicular edges on a piece, and then designate a cut plan with coordinates relative to that reference coordinate.
I built a table last year that required a recessed ring pull, and was able to install it flush in the built table ([pic here](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ft3pn10ugyt9b1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5f4c892005624105f2e78b4be36d0a7d97a9902e) with [test cut here](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fp4hnt59tyt9b1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Db49a558bfa8839665d4ab450181759fe6ab3cce1)).
The one caveat that I feel merits mentioning is that the cutter can only move in one axis at a time. You set the depth it will plunge to, engage the cutter, the cutter plunges to the set depth, it stays at that depth the entire time it's cutting regardless of the trajectory it's moved through, you retract the cutter, and then you either set a new plunge depth or move to another trajectory and cut at the same depth. A conventional bed CNC can move vertically and laterally simultaneously, so it can cut things like a ramped geometry inside a surface. The Origin cannot do that.
This has never been an issue for me because I primarily use it for doing joinery and piece outlines, but it is the one thing that distinguishes it from any other CNC.
But if you work on large pieces you need to bring your tools to, I would strongly encourage you check it out for yourself and see if you can demo it locally as that's been the biggest selling point for my work.
I've always wanted a draw knife and a good shaving horse.
Knife is pretty cheap, horse will take some effort to build but is do-able.
Just need to take the time to do it.
you can do everything with other tools, it just might take a little longer. Edge jointing I do with my router, and 99% of boards I get.sont need face jointing if you run them through the planer on alternating faces. For the ones that do, I can use a router jig or planer sled.
I donāt doubt you but a garage sale jointer is an underrated investment. I use it at least as much as a planer. Sheet stock, no need for those machines.
Would an outfeed assembly table count as a tool? Something big enough I could cut plywood sheets on. Iāll eventually make one but ugh, the project list never gets any shorter.
I put folding table hardware on a hollow core door and taped a foam sheet to the top and break down my plywood on that. Works great and sits against the wall in my garage when Iām not using it.
Domino. It's the tool every hobbyist wants (cause there's so much fkn bitching about the price), but only a production shop can justify. The Domino is truly a "time is money" tool. Once the patent expires, then the hobbyist will all have their wannabe-Dominos.
Ha! That's funny you'd want those, because I have the full set and use them all the time - I only do miniature work/dollhouses, so bigger tools aren't as useful for me. Appropriately enough...thinking about what I'd love to have but really don't need...my own portable sawmill, so I could slab out trunks whenever a tree goes down around here or drops a limb. We have 100+ y.o. oaks in this town, and a lot of walnut too.
I want to redo my work table (again), but I just can't justify the expense. I don't use it often enough. I built my table saw and router table into it, but I used pallet wood and cheap plywood to make it. It's the right size, but is a bit wonky with some things. I'd like to build it better and have a smoother top than the cheap plywood. I'm just a hobbyist though.
I want to redo my work table (again), but I just can't justify the expense. I don't use it often enough. I built my table saw and router table into it, but I used pallet wood and cheap plywood to make it. It's the right size, but is a bit wonky with some things. I'd like to build it better and have a smoother top than the cheap plywood. I'm just a hobbyist though.
Thanks for the idea. It might help. But I saw someone else who did his in 4 sections that go together with high powered magnets and can be moved around into different configurations. That's what I want now. It would help with outfeed for my planer too.
Metabo paint remover. If you've never heard of it check it out. I think truly new classes of power tools only come out like every five years so I'm always excited to see something completely different.
I would use this hardly ever but damn if it isn't cool.
A real router lift. My current table has the router direct mounted to the plate and it works well enough but having the fine adjustments and ability to change bits above the table would be a game changer.
A drum sander. I would love being able to sand super thin pieces, but they are quite expensive for how much I'd use one and realistically I have tons of other tools to buy before that.
Table Saw, Track Saw, CNC Machine, Nail Gun, Compressor, Air Brush/Painter, Shop Vac, Workbenches as far as the eye can see..... Yeah the list goes on and on.
Panel saw, have a great cabinet saw and circle saw but a panel saw would be so nice out in garage to break down sheet goods before hauling them downstairs to my shop
Right now, a milwaukee track saw. I only want it because I recently changed battery platforms to milwaukee from the Craftsman 19.2 v line. I don't really need it since I have a corded Makita one already.
A bigger bandsaw (maybe laguna) to be set up to resaw, and I can have my grizzly 14" permanently set up with the thinner blade for curves.
Makita SCMS, but I already have a craftsman non SCMS for angled cuts and RAS for wider cross cuts, and based on how I've used both, the Makita SCMS it's just a purchase I don't feel like swinging right now.
Maybe a 3d printer
I need for my car to have fourth gear but three gears is alright because I don't need to go over 55 to get to work or to the three neighboring towns.
I love my shitbox though. It's doing it's best. I shook it back to life so I don't expect much of it š
Bridgecity tools handplane, it just looks cool.
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I *would* use it, just nowhere nearly enough to justify it.
Leg vise and a tail vise. I have a nice vintage face vise I restored. It has a quick release, and I put an 18 in. wide chop on it. Between that, bench dogs, and hold downs I have decent options for work holding but I'd like it to be a little more flexible and easier/faster.
Is also like a much better jointer. I have an old 6-1/4in. Craftsman bench top unit mounted on a stand. The fence is far from great, the bed's not very long, and my dust collection hookup is pretty rough (but effective). I'm also pretty convinced the infeed and outfeed are out of parallel but I really don't want to put in a whole day to fix it.
A table saw. Never had one, I can do everything you can on a table saw with what I've got, it's just a huge pain in the ass. Especially breaking down plywood.
You can do a lot with a circular saw and a router if you're willing to clamp a bunch of boards to stuff to use as straight edges. Takes forever.
Too much to list. I think it would be baller to have enough space to have a full woodwork/metal work shop (jointers planers table saws sanding station (drum belt disc), mortise tenon, drill press, radial arm, table saws, bandsaw, metal bandsaw, lathe wood and metal, bender dust collection and exhaust system. Various welders Tig mig arc, acelytne torch.
Currently my shop is out of a 12x8 shed with upper storage currently building an outdoor partially covered work area in a 14x10 area. To store my shovels wheelbarrows and an outdoor work table for prefab and maintenance.
I have a carpentry contracting business mainly do outdoor structures waterproofing cement interlock fence and deck. Then framing drywall and other indoor carpentry through winters.
So I don't need the shop stuff but I enjoy doing the other stuff enough that one day I'll build a smaller version with a compact list of the shit I need to have a hobby shop. Currently it's not necessary but I do love it.
I downsized from a 450sq ft unit to my father in law's yard and shed. I'm doing upgrades out of pocket because he hasn't asked anything for rent he knows my business went through hard times but I maintain the house and do repairs as I see them. The yard space is blessed though so I don't need as much covered shop space.
Cordless skil saw and router.
Yeah I have 2 corded skil saws but f me if a cordless wouldnāt be SUPER handy for the 4 times per year I actually use one.
Cordless router is semi legit though. I have one āpermanentlyā mounted to a table plus one more big guy for super occasional heavy use but a 20V cordless would be pretty handy occasionally.
Also a proper cabinet saw. Yeah sure the old Rockwell contractor table saw technically does cut, but seriously.
I want to make my first workbench using castle joints. I don't need to, but I had the idea, drew up the design and even made it in small scale to practice. Now I've been quoted the price for all that wood, it seems like a bad idea.
a 10,000 sqft shop. Oh wait but I need that edit: did i say 10k? i meant 20k :D
Hell, I'd take 1,000 sqft. I'm working with 200 sqft right now š„²
Ooh Mr. Moneybags with his triple digit square footage...
I'm working with square inches
Wrong sub
mine isn't even square
I have one corner of a 2-car garage. About 10ā x 10ā, or 100 sq ft. I can expand into the driveway when the Indiana weather allows, but gotta pack it back into the 10x10 when Iām done.
My shop is 1200 sq feet. When I moved in, I thought I'd never outgrow it. 4 years later, I'm debating adding on or getting a bigger shop. You'll outgrow 1000 sq ft...
It's the first law of stuff. "Your stuff multiplies to fit into all available space."
144sqft checking in. I'm technically in a crawl space 18' x 8' with a 5'11" ceiling. As a 6' person, it is less than optimal.
Lately I have to restart videos because I get distracted by shop jealousy.
I'd get lost in 10000 sqft
but it'd be the best game of hide and seek
A sliding table saw. And a wide belt drum sander.
Dude I used this automatic sander to sand all sides of like 200 of these 2ā sticks of alder within 4 hrs, it absolutely blew my mind and it was absolutely perfectly flat every time. Was the difference of 2 weeks of sanding by hand.
Slider is a dream
Unfortunately I think that all it will ever be for me lol. But Iād love a SCM Nova 400
I have a sliding table saw and a wide belt sander and couldn't imagine life without now. I couldn't imagine working without. Maybe I didn't understand the title to this thread but I would beg borrow or steal to replace these
I mean I donāt know if I āneedā them because I operate fine withoutā¦ but they are on my list of next to get for the shop. Especially as I get older, trying to be more efficient!
Domino
I thought that until I had one. I'm a lot more productive and actually build more pieces. If I had to start selling tools, this would be pretty far down the list.
100% can confirm. I bought the 500 with some... erm... crypto profits.. and I am a hobbyist woodworker. I am 1000% more productive in my own projects.
Do you have the big one or the little one?
I've worked in shops with both the 500 and the XL 700, the 500 is way more versatile for typical furniture and cabinet making.
Seneca makes an adapter to allow the 700 to do everything the 500 does. I think it costs around $70
Iād still take the 500 for me, the 700 is very large comparatively and I donāt do many items large enough to justify the 700. 500 does all the furniture I make currently, maybe if I did a bunch of big doors or tables Iād feel differently.
I have said adapter for my 700 but the problem, the 700 is still a big tool when working on small stock. I was building something simple recently out of 3/4ā ply. When it came time to the mitered corners, I nearly screwed up because the machine really isnāt setup for smaller stock.
Good to know. Does this happen because referencing the work surface with the base of the tool puts the cutter too high? Iām on the cusp of buying one or the other, mainly to glue up chair seats (2ā thick). I want the 700 because I want to be able to do large gates and carriage doors, but I build plenty with 3/4ā stock. Iām thinking my biscuit jointer (Lamello Top 21) will always do that work. I do this professionally so cost is written into the work, and price difference is nominal over the lifetime of the tool
Yeah, I used a scrap piece first. Itās really how itās referenced and the fence drift, balancing the machine. I have the imperial depth setting scale attached as well when I do 3/4 but itās still more thinking and planning than Iād like be just having the 500 around. Also, shelf layoutā¦on the 500, you can lay the shelf out and simply use your stock to reference and make your plunges. The 700 doesnāt allow this. Not a huge deal, just more time and marking but more chances for mistakes for me. I got the domino for speed and time saving. Like you, I wanted the 700 for bigger projects but Iāll be picking up the 500 pretty soon. Iām tired of the fiddling around with my 700.
500 (Little)
I got to use one a lot at my previous job doing custom furniture and carpentry. Was awesome to be able to knock out small pieces for my home in a couple hours when I had a short day. That convinced me itās worth it for me, because itās such an effective solution for so many situations!
Is it that much better than a good dowel jig?
Same. and one of their track saws.
Put their MFT on your list, too. I got one in January and itās been really handy for the cabinets project Iām doing.
Making my own right now!
Iām really surprised how much I like it. Iād been using a radial arm saw for most cross cuts and the mft is pretty much the same thing just with more capacity. Iām not a huge fan of the fence. Seems like a lot of work to get it reset to 90 so Iām fiddling around with one that just drops into the dog holes.
I bought a Kreg track saw last month, itās a pretty good compromise.
Immediately my first thought.
Did ok on a trip to Vegas 2 years ago, came home with a grand cash on hand, best tool I've bought in terms of living up to hype and quality.
I bought one a month ago and itās already made things so much easier. I was building with pocket holes for so long. Now I can cut pieces, line them all out, domino them and then dry fit in the same day. Then take it all apart and sand or do what I need to do to get them to a glue up.
That was my thought as well, until I bought mine this afternoon š.
Meeee too!
All those miniature tools from Lee valley
I actually just ordered the mini shooting plane today! I'm getting into kumiko, so it will get a lot of use.
It works great, just double check the alignment on the shooting board if you got that too. Mine was just a hair off from 90Ā° out the box
Thanks for the heads up! I did get the shooting board with it
Pantorouter. I donāt do enough repetitive mortises and tenons for it to have a good ROI, but I really want one. :)
I've never heard of it. Just looked it up, very cool!
Veritas plow plane. I want one, but don't need one.
Similar, except that I have an old Stanley plow plane, and use it quite a bit. I'd love to upgrade to Veritas, but don't need it at all.
Cmon man. Now that I know about this I too want but done need this. Great!
Jigs, like dozens of 'em. Wildly useful but I never think to make them before I'm balls deep in my project.
The visual of this metaphor is painful.
Mmmm splinters.
This metaphor isnāt used enough. I crack up every time itās used. Thank you uberstarke.
Lol glad you liked it
A 3D printer could be very useful in my garage wood shop. Otherwise I'd say a Saw Stop. Since I have a table saw I don't technically need a different one. The same answer would go for a drill press. I have a shitty benchtop drill press but over the last couple of days I once again found it inadequate for my needs.
I will say a 3d printer is worth it. Even if you donāt design your own things. The amount of free files you can print for organization, brackets, tools even. Itās well worth it. I use mine to print customer brackets or decorative pieces for projects.
I've been trying to think up interesting jigs and layout tools I can 3d print. So far a corner radius marking jig is the most useful to me.
Packout adapters is a big thing for me. I want to print a ton of shit for racking tools or making rafter hook adapters. I know there's companies that sell them but I'm not paying 40 to 50$ for 25 cents of plastic that they spit out in 10 minutes.
You can find drill presses super cheap on Marketplace. They're kinda turning into the same levels of demand as a radial arm saw. I got an older Delta/Rockwell with a 1.5 hp motor and an incredibly long 8-inch throw for 400 bucks. Basically, there is zero runout at a 5.5-inch extension.
Sawstop will make their patents open from this year(?) so you might watch and see what comes out
Yeah I'll believe it when I see it. I see the news reports but the saw stop patents are very conditional on legislation passing right?
100% conditional and theyāve limited their contribution to a single patent, and potential assistance in design implementation of it. Also the committee seems to have a mix of tempers, data comprehension and give-a-shits beyond sound bytes so I donāt see them pulling together something so complex in a meaningful way, but who knows.
While they haven't offered any discounts yet, I did see an offer of a free accessory worth $400.
Couldnāt tell you tbh, never researched, Iām a only hand tool kind of guy, just thought of sharing that in case you didnāt see the news
The press release they announced their ādedicating the patent to the publicā specifically referenced a patent that expired in Jan 2023. Itās already āopenā. They have other patents they could use to block competitors or force licensing fees.
I feel like I have been seeing this for five years
I want a 3d printer but I probably don't have the computer skills to input my designs. I have great ideas in my brain but putting them on paper for a machine to spit out is tough. Though I can execute those ideas by hand without blueprints. It's frustrating.
To quote my mother in law when my granddaughter said "I can't read." She said "of course you can, you just haven't learned how yet.". Simple statement but it always stuck with me about not letting something stop me just because I can't do it... Yet.
I'm just not interested in becoming a tech wizard for 3d printing when it helps my career very little. It's cool but not cool enough for me to invest hundreds of hours into. When I bill at 120$/hr with my business I'll just pay some cunt that already knows how to do it, to do it.
You just need the right printer. A friend recently steered me to Bambu Labs. Literally plug and play. Couldn't be easier. Once you discover Gridfinity (look it up now!) you won't go back. All free, all open source, easy to do with a Bambu printer.
Oh man you need a bigger drill press.
A 3d printer is what finally got me organized. Custom peg board holders for tools, modular drawers with whatever dividers I want. Less mess.
I feel ya on all of those. Luckily, my buddy has a nice 3D printer, so I can't justify getting one. A cabinet saw is the next upgrade I plan on purchasing, im currently using a dewalt 8 1/4" table saw and the cheapest Wen drill press. Larger capacity and power on both sounds like a dream.
A single $200 3d printer (I suggest the sovol sv06) has saved me hundreds of dollars during my woodworking career. Dust collection fittings, clamping jigs, organizational tools, cases for specialty tools, and so much more have been just a click of a button away.
I bought my 3D printer because I wanted to print organizers for my board game, and I've ended up using it so much for DIY and woodworking. One of the most useful prints for me was shop vac adapters. I could not find a way to connect my belt sander to my shop vac without buying 3 different adapters for a few $ each, so it designed and printed one instead for maybe $0.05 worth of material
The Wen drill press is around $100 and quite decent for the price, unless you drill a lot of big holes in very very dense woods
The shitty benchtop drill press I have now is a Porter Cable, it's just too small.
Everything that guy from Dusty Lumber Co uses.
Bessey deep reach clamp. 24" capacity with 20" throat depth. [https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/besseydeepreachclamp24capacity12depth.aspx](https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/besseydeepreachclamp24capacity12depth.aspx)
I have four of these, I use em mayby 3 times a year, but they sure are handy when you need them
Hot damn, that's an expensive clamp!
20" throat depth Niceee
Wow that price tag
Make your own with some T bar and threaded rod Buy a mig and you can make 100 of these
A standalone planer. My combination unit is a sweet jointer, but planing at knee level gets old real quick.
I want to change my previous response to include a standalone planner. I have a tiny one that was given to me. But it is way too small to be of any use
Love EDIT: wrong sub but im gonna leave it here
Donāt say you donāt need love I love you
Well, basically everything Lie-Nielson makes!
Yep. I recently got into their hand planes. I have the #4,#6 and a chisel plane. Man they make beautiful art- err I mean tools.
woodpeckers, festool
Technically everything I own woodworking, it's a hobby not a living. At this point the last major purchase items I have before I'm "done" is a Hammer A3-41 16" jointer/planer combo and a Supermax 19-38 drum sander. I'd like a CNC and laser cutter but don't think I can fit those in my shop without giving up too much empty floor space I need for projects. I have a my dream shop but if I was to ever upgrade to my bigger dream shop I'd like a dedicated finishing room and wood storage area, a bathroom and utility sink, and a 2nd larger 18" bandsaw I could dedicate to a wider saw blade so I could dedicate the 14" to curves. Everything else I pretty much have at this point and the smaller items are covered by birthdays and Christmas every year.
Funny, this is almost exactly where Iām at. Been lusting after the A3-41 and a super max drum sander for a while. I also am not naive enough to think that if I got those tools that Iād actuallyābe doneā though š¤£.
There's definitely a limit. I hit it one when I was in a smaller shop and couldn't upgrade anything as I just didn't have the space, so didn't for several years. When I moved to my current shop I upgraded a lot of my machines. At this point minus the jounter/planer I currently have there's simply nothing significant of an upgrade to justify the cost not being a production shop. There's just a few tools I'd like that I can't fit and that's it. Am I "done" no, but that excitement at looking at tools is pretty much gone as I have most of it already. Nobody is shelling out $7k for a hammer for me and the 6 more affordable items I want a year I save for the wish list so I can give people options besides socks and underwear ;)
For sure. My comment was mostly tongue in cheek. I currently have a powermatic 6" extended bed jointer and a old 13" Delta/Rockwell planer. Most of what I do these machines can get me to where I need to go, but it's hard to not keep looking at upgrades longingly. Also harder to justify spending top dollar on them. And your point about running out of space is definitely valid.
More square footage!
Jointer (no space for it), domino (but I have an alternative for floating tenons), Drill press (this may be my next buy if a project would benefit greatly from it), Drum sander (no space, not enough use to justify), CNC (no space) Laser (no space)
What's your alternative for floating tenons?
I have the jessem pocket mill pro. Like it. Especially for scenarios when it makes more sense to bring the work to the tool. Requires an extra jig though to bring it to the workpiece (like in the middle of the face of a sheet of plywood). Not cheap but certainly much cheaper than the domino
Sawstop table saw
That shaper origin. It would be an amazing thing to play with but doesn't seem necessary
They look great for making simple routing jigs for fittings and hardware etc
I have one, and it's done wonders for my workflow. I'm in the middle of a large build with a 7 foot wide grille, and I was able to mill out a perfect grid of sockets for the top and bottom rails so I can fit everything in. If I'm being honest, I probably could have done it with dowels and a spacing jig, but this guaranteed perfect alignment. I checked the alignment error when I was done, and total delta across the full length was about 1mm.
I tend to work on some seriously large pieces of wood that bringing it to a piece of equipment isnt possible. Being able to bring the piece of equipment to the wood is the only option I have sometimes. It could open up a lot of possibilities for unique check control inlay and joinery for sure
Being able to do in-situ work has been one of my favorite things about it. It allows you to index off a reference edge and map a grid on a surface, so you can log two perpendicular edges on a piece, and then designate a cut plan with coordinates relative to that reference coordinate. I built a table last year that required a recessed ring pull, and was able to install it flush in the built table ([pic here](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ft3pn10ugyt9b1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5f4c892005624105f2e78b4be36d0a7d97a9902e) with [test cut here](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fp4hnt59tyt9b1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Db49a558bfa8839665d4ab450181759fe6ab3cce1)). The one caveat that I feel merits mentioning is that the cutter can only move in one axis at a time. You set the depth it will plunge to, engage the cutter, the cutter plunges to the set depth, it stays at that depth the entire time it's cutting regardless of the trajectory it's moved through, you retract the cutter, and then you either set a new plunge depth or move to another trajectory and cut at the same depth. A conventional bed CNC can move vertically and laterally simultaneously, so it can cut things like a ramped geometry inside a surface. The Origin cannot do that. This has never been an issue for me because I primarily use it for doing joinery and piece outlines, but it is the one thing that distinguishes it from any other CNC. But if you work on large pieces you need to bring your tools to, I would strongly encourage you check it out for yourself and see if you can demo it locally as that's been the biggest selling point for my work.
https://preview.redd.it/lts04yid5loc1.jpeg?width=3768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a76e51512d6489923d3b63ecf527cd27f409d6b
I thought of picking one up since I thought it was nifty, but after seeing that almost $3k price tag, I didn't think it was so nifty anymore
Yes it's very expensive. I wonder how it's function compares to a CNC of similar price
A mortiser would be so much fun
Full size sliding table saw
I've always wanted a draw knife and a good shaving horse. Knife is pretty cheap, horse will take some effort to build but is do-able. Just need to take the time to do it.
Rex Krueger has a video on a pretty simple and very cheap shave horse build.
No 8 jointer plane. Have zero use for one as I have a machine jointer, just like the look and historical aspects of a really long hand plane.
Iāve picked up two, cheap, since the first of the year. And I already had two!
5000 CFM dust collection
CNC.
Domino, Drum sander, all ten fingers
Jointer & domino
Jointer? That's in the "need" column for me.
you can do everything with other tools, it just might take a little longer. Edge jointing I do with my router, and 99% of boards I get.sont need face jointing if you run them through the planer on alternating faces. For the ones that do, I can use a router jig or planer sled.
I donāt doubt you but a garage sale jointer is an underrated investment. I use it at least as much as a planer. Sheet stock, no need for those machines.
Cnc
Would an outfeed assembly table count as a tool? Something big enough I could cut plywood sheets on. Iāll eventually make one but ugh, the project list never gets any shorter.
People are listing more square footage, so I would say so! I'd love to have my own panel saw. Cutting sheet good would be done in a flash.
I put folding table hardware on a hollow core door and taped a foam sheet to the top and break down my plywood on that. Works great and sits against the wall in my garage when Iām not using it.
A shop
š„² now I feel blessed with my tiny, cold, leaky shop.
Stanley #55 "Universal Plane"
I have a No45, itās a handy little beast.
Domino. It's the tool every hobbyist wants (cause there's so much fkn bitching about the price), but only a production shop can justify. The Domino is truly a "time is money" tool. Once the patent expires, then the hobbyist will all have their wannabe-Dominos.
Drill press
Giant bong
Ha! That's funny you'd want those, because I have the full set and use them all the time - I only do miniature work/dollhouses, so bigger tools aren't as useful for me. Appropriately enough...thinking about what I'd love to have but really don't need...my own portable sawmill, so I could slab out trunks whenever a tree goes down around here or drops a limb. We have 100+ y.o. oaks in this town, and a lot of walnut too.
I want to redo my work table (again), but I just can't justify the expense. I don't use it often enough. I built my table saw and router table into it, but I used pallet wood and cheap plywood to make it. It's the right size, but is a bit wonky with some things. I'd like to build it better and have a smoother top than the cheap plywood. I'm just a hobbyist though.
I want to redo my work table (again), but I just can't justify the expense. I don't use it often enough. I built my table saw and router table into it, but I used pallet wood and cheap plywood to make it. It's the right size, but is a bit wonky with some things. I'd like to build it better and have a smoother top than the cheap plywood. I'm just a hobbyist though.
Throw a sheet of mdf on top, that'll at least get you super level
Thanks for the idea. It might help. But I saw someone else who did his in 4 sections that go together with high powered magnets and can be moved around into different configurations. That's what I want now. It would help with outfeed for my planer too.
Ohh that sounds like a cool idea too!
Bob from ILTMS?
Bigger bandsaw. My current one does everything I need except resawing larger boards.
Super dust collection and no neighbors
Overhead planer, but I don't have room for one.
Metabo paint remover. If you've never heard of it check it out. I think truly new classes of power tools only come out like every five years so I'm always excited to see something completely different. I would use this hardly ever but damn if it isn't cool.
I can live without a bandsaw, but the QoL boost has me seriously contemplating cleaning out my garage this summer.
The tip of my thumb says that I should have good push blocks/ push sticks for the table saw. My thumb says you need them too. Before the project.
Literally one of everything
Festool track saw
A real router lift. My current table has the router direct mounted to the plate and it works well enough but having the fine adjustments and ability to change bits above the table would be a game changer.
A much larger shop footprint.
Festool Domino
A drum sander. I would love being able to sand super thin pieces, but they are quite expensive for how much I'd use one and realistically I have tons of other tools to buy before that.
A Drum Sander
More space than my single-car garage
More fancy wood
5 axis CNC or milling machine.
To finish a project.
Table Saw, Track Saw, CNC Machine, Nail Gun, Compressor, Air Brush/Painter, Shop Vac, Workbenches as far as the eye can see..... Yeah the list goes on and on.
All the tools. All of them.
CNC
Panel saw, have a great cabinet saw and circle saw but a panel saw would be so nice out in garage to break down sheet goods before hauling them downstairs to my shop
A track saw. I have gotten by without for twenty years of woodworking, but they seem cool.
Rabbit AI R1
CNC
Sawstop.
Hair.
Right now, a milwaukee track saw. I only want it because I recently changed battery platforms to milwaukee from the Craftsman 19.2 v line. I don't really need it since I have a corded Makita one already. A bigger bandsaw (maybe laguna) to be set up to resaw, and I can have my grizzly 14" permanently set up with the thinner blade for curves. Makita SCMS, but I already have a craftsman non SCMS for angled cuts and RAS for wider cross cuts, and based on how I've used both, the Makita SCMS it's just a purchase I don't feel like swinging right now. Maybe a 3d printer
Basically everything I own.
A drill press, a router table, a belt sander, a planer, a band saw, and a bigger shop to put them all in.
I need for my car to have fourth gear but three gears is alright because I don't need to go over 55 to get to work or to the three neighboring towns. I love my shitbox though. It's doing it's best. I shook it back to life so I don't expect much of it š
Sawmill
Bridgecity tools handplane, it just looks cool. [https://bridgecitytools.com/products/hp-12-smoothing-plane?currency=USD&variant=21738737336433&utm\_medium=cpc&utm\_source=google&utm\_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=2a354b9c070c&gad\_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw48-vBhBbEiwAzqrZVFqwub2jo8\_HVP82QgtT5bjlp8VgTBle2EwNqE-J9SVsyzfXtVFnexoCKYUQAvD\_BwE](https://bridgecitytools.com/products/hp-12-smoothing-plane?currency=USD&variant=21738737336433&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=2a354b9c070c&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw48-vBhBbEiwAzqrZVFqwub2jo8_HVP82QgtT5bjlp8VgTBle2EwNqE-J9SVsyzfXtVFnexoCKYUQAvD_BwE) I *would* use it, just nowhere nearly enough to justify it.
A huge window in my shop
mortise machine & drum sander
Norris A4 plane.
More tools.
Leg vise and a tail vise. I have a nice vintage face vise I restored. It has a quick release, and I put an 18 in. wide chop on it. Between that, bench dogs, and hold downs I have decent options for work holding but I'd like it to be a little more flexible and easier/faster. Is also like a much better jointer. I have an old 6-1/4in. Craftsman bench top unit mounted on a stand. The fence is far from great, the bed's not very long, and my dust collection hookup is pretty rough (but effective). I'm also pretty convinced the infeed and outfeed are out of parallel but I really don't want to put in a whole day to fix it.
Wood-mizer One day,,,,, one day
Every Lie-Nielsen tool that I donāt already have.
A table saw. Never had one, I can do everything you can on a table saw with what I've got, it's just a huge pain in the ass. Especially breaking down plywood. You can do a lot with a circular saw and a router if you're willing to clamp a bunch of boards to stuff to use as straight edges. Takes forever.
SawStop
Recently discovered soda blasting, probably don't need one but looks really handy.
A set of twisted neck chisels by nishiki, I should have bought them 15 yrs ago but didnt and now they are gone probably forever
Festool Surfprep and a Domino.
Scissor lift assembly table.
Too much to list. I think it would be baller to have enough space to have a full woodwork/metal work shop (jointers planers table saws sanding station (drum belt disc), mortise tenon, drill press, radial arm, table saws, bandsaw, metal bandsaw, lathe wood and metal, bender dust collection and exhaust system. Various welders Tig mig arc, acelytne torch. Currently my shop is out of a 12x8 shed with upper storage currently building an outdoor partially covered work area in a 14x10 area. To store my shovels wheelbarrows and an outdoor work table for prefab and maintenance. I have a carpentry contracting business mainly do outdoor structures waterproofing cement interlock fence and deck. Then framing drywall and other indoor carpentry through winters. So I don't need the shop stuff but I enjoy doing the other stuff enough that one day I'll build a smaller version with a compact list of the shit I need to have a hobby shop. Currently it's not necessary but I do love it. I downsized from a 450sq ft unit to my father in law's yard and shed. I'm doing upgrades out of pocket because he hasn't asked anything for rent he knows my business went through hard times but I maintain the house and do repairs as I see them. The yard space is blessed though so I don't need as much covered shop space.
A new shop, 60x60 would be good. Big enough I could have a separate bench room, sanding room and finishing room. Then like a 40x40 machine area.
Cordless skil saw and router. Yeah I have 2 corded skil saws but f me if a cordless wouldnāt be SUPER handy for the 4 times per year I actually use one. Cordless router is semi legit though. I have one āpermanentlyā mounted to a table plus one more big guy for super occasional heavy use but a 20V cordless would be pretty handy occasionally. Also a proper cabinet saw. Yeah sure the old Rockwell contractor table saw technically does cut, but seriously.
A 911
Band saw
Shaper origin
I have the full set of veritas miniatures. Absolutely love them. Never ever use them lol
New reflux still
Another square.
Drum sander would be nice - way too expensive these days
I want to make my first workbench using castle joints. I don't need to, but I had the idea, drew up the design and even made it in small scale to practice. Now I've been quoted the price for all that wood, it seems like a bad idea.