Yep. Happened to me with someone I was training. Found out she made way more than me even thought she didn't know her ass from her elbow.
Boss said no to my raise. I found a new job. That's it.
Before asking - find a new job that will pay you more. That way you're not caught short if they say they don't want to pay you.
Other than that RandomGuy\_81's advice is solid.
Definitely ask for a raise. My DH got a $20k raise when the new guy started & made more than him. He brought it up to his manager & an equity adjustment was made.
The solid case is that they shouldn't be paying new hires more than people who have given their "loyalty" to the company, and as the other commenter said - "this is market rate and I'm now below it". Salary transparency is important
seconded. definitely don't mention your coworker; at a minimum, they'll try to pull the "it's against policy to discuss salary," at which point then you'll have to sideline the discussion to show them the law proving that federal law trumps their dumb company policy.
research market rates for your position (and apply to those jobs as a backup plan), and take those rates to your manager.
When I first became a manager, I inherited a guy who was an atrocious employee. Incompetent, whiny, just sucked all around.
When I went to do salary planning for the team, it turned out he was making $385k/year. Yes, we are in a high COL area, but that was more than 3x what I was making.
I ended up PIPping him.
I’m in a similar situation. I’ve inherited a guy that I don’t know what to do with. He is a terrible “project manager” and he doesn’t do software development anymore. He’s worthless. He’s always gone to trade shows for the company, but so far he’s only made them worse. I could go on and on.
At the moment I’m “letting” him work from home because he is incredibly annoying and tries to listen in on everything I do. I get loads more done when he’s gone.
If he doesn’t retire soon, I’ll have to make him. And yes, he makes too much money.
this is always how i've increased salary. though i've been with my current gig for over 10 years, the only reason i'm being paid market is because i went to them twice with written offers in hand. until then, though - i'd probably still be only incrementally higher than my 2005 salary if i hadn't made it a habit to jump every 1-3 years.
I had this happen once. I said I either get a big raise or quit. They told me no, and that I have to deal with it. So I told everyone what happened, and now the company offers less services than they used to because they can no longer staff the place with good people. Quitting was the right choice. I make a lot more now.
I was in this same position, I asked 3 times to raise my rate in line with what other engineers got at the company. I had been there 10 years and got gaslit in to thinking I wasn't good enough but I was so far below where I should have been. Anyway 3 times I got excuses and deflection, so it really ate at me inside. Anyway, that was my Jordan Peterson phase, whatever Reddit wants to say about him, I don't care but he has a lot of good points and just realisezed I can be there unhappy or I can move on and risk a new job. Anyway, less than 2 years later and I'm earning £8 an hour more. I wish I job hopped earlier in my career.
It WILL eat you up, you are left with 3 choices. Ask for more, Ask for something to sweeten your job or look elsewhere. You have a duty to keep yourself sane and content and you'll be driven mad by feeling less than you should.
OP, I think you should bring your performance and 4 years of loyal service and experience up and ask for a raise of $5/hour (hoping they give you $4).
Also, start job searching!
Talk to your boss,
"Hey boss got a min"
"I have become aware that the new hires, hired for the same job as me. Are starting making a lot more than me"
"I don't think that is right and I think I do great work. I want a raise making more than new hires."
If the answer is no, I would walk.
Companies in any given industry collaborate on cost of labor for every position they have available, and set the salaries they are willing to pay so that there is no availability of better pay in the industry. How is that any different from employees discussing what they make for the same job? The don't talk about money taboo is management's best friend and labour's worst enemy.
agree with this take. it’s not federally prohibited, but culturally prohibited. anyone saying to just bring up the other person’s pay is redpilling.
companies have myriad ways to make work uncomfortable until you leave and they will use every tool available.
there are 4 options.
1. do market research for your compensation and bring quantifiable evidence that you’re underpaid for the amount of value you bring to the company. value is not experience. people often confuse the 2.
2. look for another job that will pay you more.
3. do nothing.
4. bring up your coworker’s pay that you found without formal discussion and try to leverage that. then don’t act surprised when you get retaliated against.
as in all things in life, you can’t control others’ actions. only your own.
Hypothetical: I ask for a raise and give the reasons I think it’s deserved. Response I get is that I’m already at the top of the pay range and it’s not in our budget to give increases until end of year when reviews are done. Would it be unprofessional to ask what new associates are starting at?
It’s federally protected to discuss salary with your coworkers. It makes you look like a toddler who wants to keep all the toys to themselves complaining that people expect to be paid fairly and saying it’s not culturally appropriate to talk about it.
More people in every industry and workplace should as a matter of practice compare notes on salary and raises.
Respectfully speaking.
Anybody they hire today will automatically be making more money than you.
So this new person they just hired at your job, is making more money than you. Let's just hypothetically say they spontaneously combust tomorrow.
The person they hire after they're gone, will also make more than you.
This is because EVERYONE who has not job hopped in the past two years, will likely have a lower salary than somebody who is hired today.
Market rates for labor have gone up, and employers are notoriously slow at bumping their existing employees, who have been there for 2 years or more, up to market wage.
The only way to get market wages in 2024 is to job hop, or to ask for a raise. Expecting new hires who are hired in 2024, to accept 2022 salaries is unreasonable. Nobody is going to choose to be paid less, and nobody should be mad or angry when people job hop to chase a market salary in 2024. This is just the way the labor market is today
Asking for a raise at your company will rub a few people up the chain of command, the wrong way.
It's generally better to just leave and go to another job, then to ask for a raise, and then stay.
This is because Even if you get your raise, your employer may retaliate in other ways, or begin looking for your replacement, and have you train them before they fire you.
I do not know why things are this way, there is a large number of older management people, who have lots of spite and resentment for employees who ask for raises.
So you have to make your choice, I personally job hop every year or two, just to chase the market rate, and keep my salary competitive
You risk losing your job and starting a war between your boss, yourself and your coworker if you tell your boss you saw his salary. Just ask for a raise, but do your homework. Rather than walking in soon and upset, make a list of reasons why you deserve a raise. Don’t talk about your debts or expenses. They only want reasons why you deserve more money. If you don’t get equal to the person you are training, start looking around. It sounds like you can make more working somewhere else. Just bare with it until you get another offer. There’s no such thing as company loyalty anymore.
Step 1. Accept the fact that more than likely, this will happen every single time a new person is hired. If you dwell on it, you’re just gonna drive yourself crazy.
Step 2. The only thing you can do is ask for a raise, in line with current market value with your position. Be prepared to NOT get a $4 raise, or no raise at all, but you definitely get nothing if you don’t ask for it.
Yeah I know. Hard not to think about though. I knew people coming in got paid higher then when I started, and I know that happens everywhere. Just wasn’t prepared for it to be that much higher than my current pay.
Yeah, it's possible they have more experience or negotiated a higher payment. That's pretty common.
I had one person say to me "you get paid more cause you're a man" but I'd been in the position 6 months longer and had a year of experience. Where this 17 year old girl had none of that.
She accused me of mansplaining when I tried to tell her this.
Point is, if you feel you're worth 4 dollars more every hour figure out how to prove it, and then take that proof to the boss and ask for a raise. Do NOT just ask for one cause such and such gets paid more and that's not fair or whatever.
If refused then you know your worth and can go find another job.
In our day and age success is found by being willing to get new gigs, gone are the days of sticking around.
In our industry female workers are a premium for diversity so they can negotiate higher start wage with less experience. My old boss refused to play that game. Everyone gets paid same start wage unless they have experience to warrant seniority carry over
Have a discussion with your manager about salary bands. Find out where *you* are, you already know where *they* are, and if you’re same position and title you should both be in the same salary band. You don’t get big increases by staying, you get them by leaving.
I'd probably see if I can get job offers in my field. This would let me know my value or show me that this person has something of value to justify better pay.
That depends on their position compared to mine. If we work the same job and have been there the same amount of time and put in the same effort I'd definitely be expecting to make the same amount as that person.
In your position I'd be fucking pissed, the new guy should not be making more than someone who's been there for years already. Speak with your boss and ask for a raised
This is completely normal at most jobs. The rate of entry level pay quickly outpaces yearly raises almost everywhere, unless you are promoted within 2 years max, and your yearly raises are a nice 3-6% on top of that.
You don't do anything except ask for more money or move on. You can do both if handled properly.
Go directly in and ask for a raise
Be prepared, have all the things you have accomplished
Then you land at the end with newbie needing assist
It’s not against the law to discuss your pay- there’s an employment lawyer on tic toc that explains this in detail- Paige Sparks
I got hired at a bank as an Associate Banker making about $6 more than my peers. A few had been with the bank 3-4 years. One employee complained and asked, why?
Boss answer: He has a Master Degree.
That’s where pay based on experience, kicks in.
I am the highest paid with the lowest seniority except for one other. This is in part due to my experience and varied skills and I have moved into a much better position, as a result I make $10K+ more than the guys that are at 20 years. Mind you some of the others are in trades that are normally much higher paid than what they're getting paid but it's a government job so the trade off is incredible benefits that you won't find in the public sector.
Ask your boss to match it. If they don’t, you need to get out of there ASAP. I would personally quit regardless, because that’s so incredibly disrespectful.
this some what happen to me he didnt make more but he made a dollar less then me, i was pretty mad when i found out given the fact i been with the company more than 5 years and the new guy had no experience so luckily i was the only good worker they had so i had leverage made up some bs and got a $5 raise
I make enough where I don't care that I make less than 6 people on my team. One makes considerably more than the rest of us but she has the skills that deserves that much money. The other 5 have at one point worked on a project that gained them recognition to get that bump. I'm happy making a but less and not having to present so much to the executives plus I'm one of 3 people still able to WFH so that's my bonus.
You may need to move.
Most companies are not going to just hold a company wide meeting to tell everyone they are getting a 10-20% raise. A lot couldn't afford it.
But since COVID the market has been really screwed up. And it's going to take a long while to completely smooth out. And a lot of jobs cannot find people at the rate your pay is based on.
So the only option is to demand a raise, higher than brand new employees that you are training, and reflecting the new rate plus your experience. Or find it somewhere else.
This happens all the time. It's not uncommon. Ask for a raise, and give an example if not find a new job. Make sure you give examples of why you deserve it.
i worked for bechtel as an engineer 22, couldn't stand it, quit, got my professional engineer license and had to come back 8 years later. as a 25... two guys in my section got pissed off. one stopped talking to me. the other was otto, a very cool hungarian guy. looked like john barrymore. i said 'otto, i left when i was a 22, got my license and came back. do you know what grade i'd be if i had stayed here the whole time?' he got a big smile and said 'you'd be a 22'.
depending on what OP does for a living, there may or may not be jobs out there. decide whether you want to jump ship and if you do, don't bargain for a raise. just go. good luck
The only thing I would consider before looking for a raise or a new job, is to figure out if this person has other experience or a higher level of relevant education from a previous job. If he's got 7 years on you, maybe that's worth the four bucks?
Start looking around. The days of getting a raise every year and making more than new hires is over. The only way is to take a better offer to your boss and be willing to quit if they don't beat it.
Business are ass backwards, stuff like this happens lot. And then we have the big promos to get new customers and the customers who have been with you for 20 years get nothing.
For sure bring it up with the boss.
It probably honestly has nothing to do about you or her, but rather that in a lot of professions, Market value has gone way up in 4 years due to the insane inflation. It’s also possible that she has more years of experience, which also establishes that value.
Look up your market value and see where you land with your experience. If it’s much higher, you can ask for a market correction.
Ask for a raise. Since you have been there longer than the new hire, and are training the new hire, you should make significantly more than they are. Since you said they make $4/hr more than you are, I'd use that as a baseline, and expect at least an $8-10 raise.
That said, don't ask for that, let them make you an offer. If it is still less than you know the new hire is making, tender your two-week notice. Tell them you know what the new hire makes, that you've been training, and you are insulted that they would offer you less than they are making. Do so politely, professionally, but firmly. Watch them squirm, and see if they raise the offer. Regardless of this outcome, start looking for a new job.
If they offer you only a little more than the new hire makes, advise your boss that you are aware of what the new hire makes, and since you've been training them, and have four years seniority, you feel that you deserve more. Start negotiating, and see if you can come to a reasonable pay-rate. Nevertheless, keep an eye out for a new job (see below for why).
Of course, if they fold like a house of cards, and offer you a good rate, take it and move on. No need to get into the weeds with what you know about the new hire's pay-rate at that point, but I'd still keep an eye out for better paying jobs. If your company is willing to pay newbies way more than their current staff, they don't respect the current staff at all. Find a better job ASAP.
This happened to me. Worst part was I was a verified tech and she wasn’t registered yet. I flipped. Once I calmed down, I simply explained that I learned of the pay difference. I will give them time to adjust my pay or I will have to move on. They didn’t want to lose me so I got a raise.
It's all about the initial negotiations.
Everyone seems to think that a company looks at the wages of all their employees before making an offer.
They don't.
There are other factors, like experience, education, industry knowledge. special skills, and years in the industry.
It's not the government. There is no GS rating.
company I worked for put a listing up online for a job I was doing and they listed their starting wage for $3 more than what I was making. I just found a new job and when they asked why I told them because they are starting guys off $3 an hour more than I was making doing the same job. That day they removed their starting wage from the add lol
Sounds like a company not worth staying at.
As others have mentioned, you can certainly start with asking for a raise. Having more of an argument than the new person makes more will help, even if it is BS.
A lot of companies view it as two different budgets for retention vs new hires or have stupid policies that cause these situations. Personally, I'd start looking and ask for raise and still probably take a new job if I find one better.
Asked for a 4% raise above and beyond our bullshit in cycle 1.5% raises from my employer of 16 years in May of 2022. Our department was a top 10 performer in the US and in the top 15% globally. The average profit was 22% for the prior year that I was the senior project manager. The year before was 28% and the best year was 34% back in 2015. Twenty-two cents of every dollar we earned was money in their pockets! They danced around a bunch of corporate, 44,000 global employees and some other stuff that made no sense. I found another job in two days that paid me 39% more salary, 45 hours a week max, four weeks paid vacation to start and gave me a new company truck to drive with no overnight travel out of the local area of 60 miles.
I turned in my two weeks' notice/resignation letter to my boss of over a decade and within minutes the regional vice-president and HR was emailing and calling to tell me the raise was approved. I sent them copies of my offer letter and resignation letter again with a transcript of the bullshit they tried to play in not giving me an out of cycle raise I clearly earned/deserved, HR called me again, the company CFO and senior technical engineer both tried talking me into staying. I told them both I would have stayed for 4%....four little percent. When HR called me for my exit interview two weeks later on my last day, I told them that I was not interested in answering their questions and was bringing the hammer down on the office in Nashville. I have since hired 3 people who used to work for me at my old company and found better paying jobs with better benefits for five more. The department that used to make 22% on average is now fighting for 9% the last time I visited my old boss. They have lost several large national clients because the people they liked to work with are gone and the remaining technical staff has little knowledge or specialized training in what their national clients need.
I sent an email to the old HR and my old regional vice-president to see how things were going in the year since I left. The regional vice-president asked what it would take to bring me back into the company right now. I waited a few days and really thought of how many hats I wore to only be called a senior project manager. I trained new and existing technical staff constantly, spent 40% of everyday in the field doing my job or training someone how to do our job, traveled out of state when needed sometimes gone for 2 or 3 months at a time, managed the concrete/soils and asphalt laboratory and it's three employees, signed reports, drafted and presented proposals to existing clients and marketed the company to get new clients. I sent them a realistic number I knew they would never even consider because it is what I am paid now for doing way less work and really only wearing two hats every day. The last sentence said this all could have been avoided for 4%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go to your boss. Say you’ve found open listings for the(your) job at the company that are significantly higher than your wage, and that you would like to know when your wage will be brought up to date.
If he says no or tap dances, ask what he specifically wants from your performance that would make you on par with a new hire that needs training and has no experience.
There are 2 likely scenarios:
1. You have poor performance and the company may be looking to replace you.
2. They are doing surge/temp hiring, and will be laying them off soon.
Are they bringing more value to the company? If not, then ask for a comsummate raise.
OR perhaps thy negotiated for more or took less PTO.
What they make has nothing to do with you.
Maybe they have additional skills or experience.
For example, one of our office staff is also a Notary.
Another has past experience with some of our accounting software and can help streamline things.
Just because two people have the same title doesn;t mean they do the same work at the same rate.
Again, what THEY negotiated as a pay rate has nothing to do with you.
Thank you for your insight but that doesn’t really answer my question. All valid points though. I don’t know if they bring more value to the company because I’ve only known them for two weeks. My question was how would you handle or what would you do? Are you saying if this was you that you would do nothing because it has nothing to do with you?
It did answer your question.
# What would you do if someone new made considerable more money than you?
Not worry about it. Not my problem.
You are MAKING this your problem.
While I do agree with you, I have to imagine that would not be how the majority of people would handle this, even if what you said is how it should be handled professionally. And I know for certain the majority of people wouldn’t just not worry about it. That’s easier said than done, and not even a choice for some.
Yeah, it just seems like a lot to me. I know starting wages increase all the time, and I also know it’s common for new hires to be making more than the current employees. Just didn’t realize it was by that much. He’s actually making $7 more an hour than what I started as 4 years ago, and $4 more than my current pay. My ignorance is definitely thinking it was not that much of a difference
How is it not a choice?
Why is what they get paid ANY responsibility of yours? Unless you want to leave your job and use this as a bargaining tool.
Thing is, how does this anve anything to do with your job?
I’m saying worrying about it or being concerned about it isn’t necessarily a choice. Some people can’t just turn off their concerns or worries. Some can some can’t. I’m actually agreeing with you here. I’m just saying you’re telling somebody to not worry about something that they’re worried about is much easier said than done
I mean, new isn't important. It what job they do. A new doctor will always make more than a nurse, even if they have been there for 20 years. Is this person doing the same job?
Well I don’t plan on making a big deal about it. My options are either to somehow bring it up or not bring it up at all. If I do bring it up whatever their answer is, it is what it is. Not going to argue with them. I can decide to leave or whatever I decide based on their response. But not going to go around causing a fuss about it.
You make your own deal and do not fault others for theirs. They made a better deal welcome to corporate America. The sad thing is if you hold the company at bay they'll fire you.
Possibly. Nobody at this job makes that much, even the person that makes 4 more than me doesn’t make that much. It’s a lower paying job, not really any qualifications needed. For a lower paying job though a $4 difference is a lot. Higher paying jobs maybe $4 doesn’t mean as much.
You dont feel dumb at all just making up whatever bullshit excuse you need someone else to be to make yourself feel better about not attaining ehat they have attained? No?
You’re assumption is that I have pretty privilege. Based off a comment about finances.
My assumption is about finances based off a comment about finances.
See the difference?
Ask for a raise or move Typically you only get real money when you go to a new job Raises do not keep pace with pay structure for new higher
Yep. Happened to me with someone I was training. Found out she made way more than me even thought she didn't know her ass from her elbow. Boss said no to my raise. I found a new job. That's it.
I've done it 2X in the past 12 months. Make 15K more then I did a year ago.
Before asking - find a new job that will pay you more. That way you're not caught short if they say they don't want to pay you. Other than that RandomGuy\_81's advice is solid.
Definitely ask for a raise. My DH got a $20k raise when the new guy started & made more than him. He brought it up to his manager & an equity adjustment was made.
Lol tell them to up your pay or you walk.
You need to say something. Don’t mention your coworker, but do your research on the market rate for someone in your position.
......and be able to make a very solid case for why you deserve the raise.....
The solid case is that they shouldn't be paying new hires more than people who have given their "loyalty" to the company, and as the other commenter said - "this is market rate and I'm now below it". Salary transparency is important
Unfortunately, it isn't that simple
I would absolutely mention the coworker. You’re training them and working in the same position. This is why salary transparency is SO important.
I would also mention the coworker, and I would also be prepared with the federal law stating they cannot prohibit me from discussing wages
This is also true.
seconded. definitely don't mention your coworker; at a minimum, they'll try to pull the "it's against policy to discuss salary," at which point then you'll have to sideline the discussion to show them the law proving that federal law trumps their dumb company policy. research market rates for your position (and apply to those jobs as a backup plan), and take those rates to your manager.
When I first became a manager, I inherited a guy who was an atrocious employee. Incompetent, whiny, just sucked all around. When I went to do salary planning for the team, it turned out he was making $385k/year. Yes, we are in a high COL area, but that was more than 3x what I was making. I ended up PIPping him.
I’m in a similar situation. I’ve inherited a guy that I don’t know what to do with. He is a terrible “project manager” and he doesn’t do software development anymore. He’s worthless. He’s always gone to trade shows for the company, but so far he’s only made them worse. I could go on and on. At the moment I’m “letting” him work from home because he is incredibly annoying and tries to listen in on everything I do. I get loads more done when he’s gone. If he doesn’t retire soon, I’ll have to make him. And yes, he makes too much money.
The best way to increment your salary is to change job. Loyalty gets you nothing unfortunately. Best of luck
this is always how i've increased salary. though i've been with my current gig for over 10 years, the only reason i'm being paid market is because i went to them twice with written offers in hand. until then, though - i'd probably still be only incrementally higher than my 2005 salary if i hadn't made it a habit to jump every 1-3 years.
Time to renegotiate your salary, 4 years of experience should count for something!
If they’re the same title as me I’m asking for money. If it’s a no then I’m job searching cause that’s really wrong
I had this happen once. I said I either get a big raise or quit. They told me no, and that I have to deal with it. So I told everyone what happened, and now the company offers less services than they used to because they can no longer staff the place with good people. Quitting was the right choice. I make a lot more now.
I was in this same position, I asked 3 times to raise my rate in line with what other engineers got at the company. I had been there 10 years and got gaslit in to thinking I wasn't good enough but I was so far below where I should have been. Anyway 3 times I got excuses and deflection, so it really ate at me inside. Anyway, that was my Jordan Peterson phase, whatever Reddit wants to say about him, I don't care but he has a lot of good points and just realisezed I can be there unhappy or I can move on and risk a new job. Anyway, less than 2 years later and I'm earning £8 an hour more. I wish I job hopped earlier in my career. It WILL eat you up, you are left with 3 choices. Ask for more, Ask for something to sweeten your job or look elsewhere. You have a duty to keep yourself sane and content and you'll be driven mad by feeling less than you should.
Look for another job. You could ask for a raise but why would you want to work at a place like that.
OP, I think you should bring your performance and 4 years of loyal service and experience up and ask for a raise of $5/hour (hoping they give you $4). Also, start job searching!
Talk to your boss, "Hey boss got a min" "I have become aware that the new hires, hired for the same job as me. Are starting making a lot more than me" "I don't think that is right and I think I do great work. I want a raise making more than new hires." If the answer is no, I would walk.
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Companies in any given industry collaborate on cost of labor for every position they have available, and set the salaries they are willing to pay so that there is no availability of better pay in the industry. How is that any different from employees discussing what they make for the same job? The don't talk about money taboo is management's best friend and labour's worst enemy.
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agree with this take. it’s not federally prohibited, but culturally prohibited. anyone saying to just bring up the other person’s pay is redpilling. companies have myriad ways to make work uncomfortable until you leave and they will use every tool available. there are 4 options. 1. do market research for your compensation and bring quantifiable evidence that you’re underpaid for the amount of value you bring to the company. value is not experience. people often confuse the 2. 2. look for another job that will pay you more. 3. do nothing. 4. bring up your coworker’s pay that you found without formal discussion and try to leverage that. then don’t act surprised when you get retaliated against. as in all things in life, you can’t control others’ actions. only your own.
Hypothetical: I ask for a raise and give the reasons I think it’s deserved. Response I get is that I’m already at the top of the pay range and it’s not in our budget to give increases until end of year when reviews are done. Would it be unprofessional to ask what new associates are starting at?
It’s federally protected to discuss salary with your coworkers. It makes you look like a toddler who wants to keep all the toys to themselves complaining that people expect to be paid fairly and saying it’s not culturally appropriate to talk about it. More people in every industry and workplace should as a matter of practice compare notes on salary and raises.
Most places have a law that lets you talk about wages. So ya if don't ask you don't get.
I wouldn't be training him that's for sure. They can get someone else to do it or give me a raise.
Respectfully speaking. Anybody they hire today will automatically be making more money than you. So this new person they just hired at your job, is making more money than you. Let's just hypothetically say they spontaneously combust tomorrow. The person they hire after they're gone, will also make more than you. This is because EVERYONE who has not job hopped in the past two years, will likely have a lower salary than somebody who is hired today. Market rates for labor have gone up, and employers are notoriously slow at bumping their existing employees, who have been there for 2 years or more, up to market wage. The only way to get market wages in 2024 is to job hop, or to ask for a raise. Expecting new hires who are hired in 2024, to accept 2022 salaries is unreasonable. Nobody is going to choose to be paid less, and nobody should be mad or angry when people job hop to chase a market salary in 2024. This is just the way the labor market is today Asking for a raise at your company will rub a few people up the chain of command, the wrong way. It's generally better to just leave and go to another job, then to ask for a raise, and then stay. This is because Even if you get your raise, your employer may retaliate in other ways, or begin looking for your replacement, and have you train them before they fire you. I do not know why things are this way, there is a large number of older management people, who have lots of spite and resentment for employees who ask for raises. So you have to make your choice, I personally job hop every year or two, just to chase the market rate, and keep my salary competitive
This is exactly right.
You risk losing your job and starting a war between your boss, yourself and your coworker if you tell your boss you saw his salary. Just ask for a raise, but do your homework. Rather than walking in soon and upset, make a list of reasons why you deserve a raise. Don’t talk about your debts or expenses. They only want reasons why you deserve more money. If you don’t get equal to the person you are training, start looking around. It sounds like you can make more working somewhere else. Just bare with it until you get another offer. There’s no such thing as company loyalty anymore.
Step 1. Accept the fact that more than likely, this will happen every single time a new person is hired. If you dwell on it, you’re just gonna drive yourself crazy. Step 2. The only thing you can do is ask for a raise, in line with current market value with your position. Be prepared to NOT get a $4 raise, or no raise at all, but you definitely get nothing if you don’t ask for it.
Yeah I know. Hard not to think about though. I knew people coming in got paid higher then when I started, and I know that happens everywhere. Just wasn’t prepared for it to be that much higher than my current pay.
Yeah, it's possible they have more experience or negotiated a higher payment. That's pretty common. I had one person say to me "you get paid more cause you're a man" but I'd been in the position 6 months longer and had a year of experience. Where this 17 year old girl had none of that. She accused me of mansplaining when I tried to tell her this. Point is, if you feel you're worth 4 dollars more every hour figure out how to prove it, and then take that proof to the boss and ask for a raise. Do NOT just ask for one cause such and such gets paid more and that's not fair or whatever. If refused then you know your worth and can go find another job. In our day and age success is found by being willing to get new gigs, gone are the days of sticking around.
In our industry female workers are a premium for diversity so they can negotiate higher start wage with less experience. My old boss refused to play that game. Everyone gets paid same start wage unless they have experience to warrant seniority carry over
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Have a discussion with your manager about salary bands. Find out where *you* are, you already know where *they* are, and if you’re same position and title you should both be in the same salary band. You don’t get big increases by staying, you get them by leaving.
I'd probably see if I can get job offers in my field. This would let me know my value or show me that this person has something of value to justify better pay.
That depends on their position compared to mine. If we work the same job and have been there the same amount of time and put in the same effort I'd definitely be expecting to make the same amount as that person. In your position I'd be fucking pissed, the new guy should not be making more than someone who's been there for years already. Speak with your boss and ask for a raised
Leave and get my bag at a company who will pay me
Quit…..then apply for your old position back. Since you have experience you should make more than the other guy
This is completely normal at most jobs. The rate of entry level pay quickly outpaces yearly raises almost everywhere, unless you are promoted within 2 years max, and your yearly raises are a nice 3-6% on top of that. You don't do anything except ask for more money or move on. You can do both if handled properly.
Go directly in and ask for a raise Be prepared, have all the things you have accomplished Then you land at the end with newbie needing assist It’s not against the law to discuss your pay- there’s an employment lawyer on tic toc that explains this in detail- Paige Sparks
I got hired at a bank as an Associate Banker making about $6 more than my peers. A few had been with the bank 3-4 years. One employee complained and asked, why? Boss answer: He has a Master Degree. That’s where pay based on experience, kicks in.
Line up a new job then quit with zero notice.
I am the highest paid with the lowest seniority except for one other. This is in part due to my experience and varied skills and I have moved into a much better position, as a result I make $10K+ more than the guys that are at 20 years. Mind you some of the others are in trades that are normally much higher paid than what they're getting paid but it's a government job so the trade off is incredible benefits that you won't find in the public sector.
I would quit
Ask your boss to match it. If they don’t, you need to get out of there ASAP. I would personally quit regardless, because that’s so incredibly disrespectful.
this some what happen to me he didnt make more but he made a dollar less then me, i was pretty mad when i found out given the fact i been with the company more than 5 years and the new guy had no experience so luckily i was the only good worker they had so i had leverage made up some bs and got a $5 raise
You can only leave and then come back in a year or two fora better title and salary if you really like the company.
That is a complaint to management, hr and questioning your loyalty all in one day.
I make enough where I don't care that I make less than 6 people on my team. One makes considerably more than the rest of us but she has the skills that deserves that much money. The other 5 have at one point worked on a project that gained them recognition to get that bump. I'm happy making a but less and not having to present so much to the executives plus I'm one of 3 people still able to WFH so that's my bonus.
You may need to move. Most companies are not going to just hold a company wide meeting to tell everyone they are getting a 10-20% raise. A lot couldn't afford it. But since COVID the market has been really screwed up. And it's going to take a long while to completely smooth out. And a lot of jobs cannot find people at the rate your pay is based on. So the only option is to demand a raise, higher than brand new employees that you are training, and reflecting the new rate plus your experience. Or find it somewhere else.
This happens all the time. It's not uncommon. Ask for a raise, and give an example if not find a new job. Make sure you give examples of why you deserve it.
Did he get hired through a temp agency or directly with the company? Temps usually get paid more but they don’t get any benefits.
i worked for bechtel as an engineer 22, couldn't stand it, quit, got my professional engineer license and had to come back 8 years later. as a 25... two guys in my section got pissed off. one stopped talking to me. the other was otto, a very cool hungarian guy. looked like john barrymore. i said 'otto, i left when i was a 22, got my license and came back. do you know what grade i'd be if i had stayed here the whole time?' he got a big smile and said 'you'd be a 22'. depending on what OP does for a living, there may or may not be jobs out there. decide whether you want to jump ship and if you do, don't bargain for a raise. just go. good luck
The only thing I would consider before looking for a raise or a new job, is to figure out if this person has other experience or a higher level of relevant education from a previous job. If he's got 7 years on you, maybe that's worth the four bucks?
Start looking around. The days of getting a raise every year and making more than new hires is over. The only way is to take a better offer to your boss and be willing to quit if they don't beat it.
Business are ass backwards, stuff like this happens lot. And then we have the big promos to get new customers and the customers who have been with you for 20 years get nothing. For sure bring it up with the boss.
Speak to management about a raise. If not given one I would look elsewhere as they don’t value you as much as the new guy.
It probably honestly has nothing to do about you or her, but rather that in a lot of professions, Market value has gone way up in 4 years due to the insane inflation. It’s also possible that she has more years of experience, which also establishes that value. Look up your market value and see where you land with your experience. If it’s much higher, you can ask for a market correction.
20 years and new hires are making what I make within a year. 67 and I'm out. What I really honestly look forward to. I should be looking into RV's.
Ask for a raise. Since you have been there longer than the new hire, and are training the new hire, you should make significantly more than they are. Since you said they make $4/hr more than you are, I'd use that as a baseline, and expect at least an $8-10 raise. That said, don't ask for that, let them make you an offer. If it is still less than you know the new hire is making, tender your two-week notice. Tell them you know what the new hire makes, that you've been training, and you are insulted that they would offer you less than they are making. Do so politely, professionally, but firmly. Watch them squirm, and see if they raise the offer. Regardless of this outcome, start looking for a new job. If they offer you only a little more than the new hire makes, advise your boss that you are aware of what the new hire makes, and since you've been training them, and have four years seniority, you feel that you deserve more. Start negotiating, and see if you can come to a reasonable pay-rate. Nevertheless, keep an eye out for a new job (see below for why). Of course, if they fold like a house of cards, and offer you a good rate, take it and move on. No need to get into the weeds with what you know about the new hire's pay-rate at that point, but I'd still keep an eye out for better paying jobs. If your company is willing to pay newbies way more than their current staff, they don't respect the current staff at all. Find a better job ASAP.
This happened to me. Worst part was I was a verified tech and she wasn’t registered yet. I flipped. Once I calmed down, I simply explained that I learned of the pay difference. I will give them time to adjust my pay or I will have to move on. They didn’t want to lose me so I got a raise.
It's all about the initial negotiations. Everyone seems to think that a company looks at the wages of all their employees before making an offer. They don't. There are other factors, like experience, education, industry knowledge. special skills, and years in the industry. It's not the government. There is no GS rating.
Find new job! That’s how they play it then that’s the result.
company I worked for put a listing up online for a job I was doing and they listed their starting wage for $3 more than what I was making. I just found a new job and when they asked why I told them because they are starting guys off $3 an hour more than I was making doing the same job. That day they removed their starting wage from the add lol
Sounds like a company not worth staying at. As others have mentioned, you can certainly start with asking for a raise. Having more of an argument than the new person makes more will help, even if it is BS. A lot of companies view it as two different budgets for retention vs new hires or have stupid policies that cause these situations. Personally, I'd start looking and ask for raise and still probably take a new job if I find one better.
I would feel bad
Asked for a 4% raise above and beyond our bullshit in cycle 1.5% raises from my employer of 16 years in May of 2022. Our department was a top 10 performer in the US and in the top 15% globally. The average profit was 22% for the prior year that I was the senior project manager. The year before was 28% and the best year was 34% back in 2015. Twenty-two cents of every dollar we earned was money in their pockets! They danced around a bunch of corporate, 44,000 global employees and some other stuff that made no sense. I found another job in two days that paid me 39% more salary, 45 hours a week max, four weeks paid vacation to start and gave me a new company truck to drive with no overnight travel out of the local area of 60 miles. I turned in my two weeks' notice/resignation letter to my boss of over a decade and within minutes the regional vice-president and HR was emailing and calling to tell me the raise was approved. I sent them copies of my offer letter and resignation letter again with a transcript of the bullshit they tried to play in not giving me an out of cycle raise I clearly earned/deserved, HR called me again, the company CFO and senior technical engineer both tried talking me into staying. I told them both I would have stayed for 4%....four little percent. When HR called me for my exit interview two weeks later on my last day, I told them that I was not interested in answering their questions and was bringing the hammer down on the office in Nashville. I have since hired 3 people who used to work for me at my old company and found better paying jobs with better benefits for five more. The department that used to make 22% on average is now fighting for 9% the last time I visited my old boss. They have lost several large national clients because the people they liked to work with are gone and the remaining technical staff has little knowledge or specialized training in what their national clients need. I sent an email to the old HR and my old regional vice-president to see how things were going in the year since I left. The regional vice-president asked what it would take to bring me back into the company right now. I waited a few days and really thought of how many hats I wore to only be called a senior project manager. I trained new and existing technical staff constantly, spent 40% of everyday in the field doing my job or training someone how to do our job, traveled out of state when needed sometimes gone for 2 or 3 months at a time, managed the concrete/soils and asphalt laboratory and it's three employees, signed reports, drafted and presented proposals to existing clients and marketed the company to get new clients. I sent them a realistic number I knew they would never even consider because it is what I am paid now for doing way less work and really only wearing two hats every day. The last sentence said this all could have been avoided for 4%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need to move every 3 to 5 years (or sooner if you're braver). I've managed to double my salary since covid
Go to your boss. Say you’ve found open listings for the(your) job at the company that are significantly higher than your wage, and that you would like to know when your wage will be brought up to date. If he says no or tap dances, ask what he specifically wants from your performance that would make you on par with a new hire that needs training and has no experience. There are 2 likely scenarios: 1. You have poor performance and the company may be looking to replace you. 2. They are doing surge/temp hiring, and will be laying them off soon.
Are they bringing more value to the company? If not, then ask for a comsummate raise. OR perhaps thy negotiated for more or took less PTO. What they make has nothing to do with you. Maybe they have additional skills or experience. For example, one of our office staff is also a Notary. Another has past experience with some of our accounting software and can help streamline things. Just because two people have the same title doesn;t mean they do the same work at the same rate. Again, what THEY negotiated as a pay rate has nothing to do with you.
Thank you for your insight but that doesn’t really answer my question. All valid points though. I don’t know if they bring more value to the company because I’ve only known them for two weeks. My question was how would you handle or what would you do? Are you saying if this was you that you would do nothing because it has nothing to do with you?
It did answer your question. # What would you do if someone new made considerable more money than you? Not worry about it. Not my problem. You are MAKING this your problem.
While I do agree with you, I have to imagine that would not be how the majority of people would handle this, even if what you said is how it should be handled professionally. And I know for certain the majority of people wouldn’t just not worry about it. That’s easier said than done, and not even a choice for some.
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Yeah, it just seems like a lot to me. I know starting wages increase all the time, and I also know it’s common for new hires to be making more than the current employees. Just didn’t realize it was by that much. He’s actually making $7 more an hour than what I started as 4 years ago, and $4 more than my current pay. My ignorance is definitely thinking it was not that much of a difference
How is it not a choice? Why is what they get paid ANY responsibility of yours? Unless you want to leave your job and use this as a bargaining tool. Thing is, how does this anve anything to do with your job?
I’m saying worrying about it or being concerned about it isn’t necessarily a choice. Some people can’t just turn off their concerns or worries. Some can some can’t. I’m actually agreeing with you here. I’m just saying you’re telling somebody to not worry about something that they’re worried about is much easier said than done
I mean, new isn't important. It what job they do. A new doctor will always make more than a nurse, even if they have been there for 20 years. Is this person doing the same job?
Exact same job, exact same title, exact same amount of work, exact same type of work.
If you make too big of a deal about it (because this will annoy your boss just by bringing it up) you may find out that you trained your replacement.
Well I don’t plan on making a big deal about it. My options are either to somehow bring it up or not bring it up at all. If I do bring it up whatever their answer is, it is what it is. Not going to argue with them. I can decide to leave or whatever I decide based on their response. But not going to go around causing a fuss about it.
You make your own deal and do not fault others for theirs. They made a better deal welcome to corporate America. The sad thing is if you hold the company at bay they'll fire you.
I hired someone who made more than me, her manager. What someone else makes isn’t my business.
The fact that you think $4/hr is “quite a bit more” is probably why you’re not making that much.
Possibly. Nobody at this job makes that much, even the person that makes 4 more than me doesn’t make that much. It’s a lower paying job, not really any qualifications needed. For a lower paying job though a $4 difference is a lot. Higher paying jobs maybe $4 doesn’t mean as much.
pretty privileged viewpoint.
You dont feel dumb at all just making up whatever bullshit excuse you need someone else to be to make yourself feel better about not attaining ehat they have attained? No?
You don't feel dumb at all just assuming what I have and have not attained by reading a three word comment? No?
You’re assumption is that I have pretty privilege. Based off a comment about finances. My assumption is about finances based off a comment about finances. See the difference?