The hospitals used to give us reliable numbers. Since they've been bombed and had staff killed, we just don't know and won't until well after the genocide is over.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
Close. What they all say is while they condemn what Hamas did, Israel could easily stop further attacks by disbanding and sending all its citizens to go live somewhere else.
If this is really about the hostages why the carpetbombing? Those bombs kill hostages right alongside Palestinians.
If this is really about the hostages, why are you cutting off the food, medicine, and water? Don't the hostages also need food, medicine, and water?
If this is really about the hostages, why are you shooting random civilians, even ones under a white flag? That policy has already led to the Israeli military killing hostages.
yeah, the time for that has come and gone. I for one assumed all the hostages would never make it back, the day they were taken from israel. i'm happy to see some return. but after the unwillingness to backdown, this became about removing hamas and any future hostage taking.
No, this is about turning Gaza into a crater and annexing it, if Israel didn’t want a terrorist organization then they shouldn’t have propped Hamas up.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
if this isn't really about the hostages why not carpet bomb on the day before 10/7? those bombs disable hamas and prevent future 10/7
if hamas was delivering food/medicine/water to the hostages, or even the palestinians, maybe that might be the case. but we've seen ample examples they aren't.
> why are you shooting random civilians, even ones under a white flag?
same reason they worry about children and women with suicide vests. the area becomes grey why hamas uses a real civilian even once.
It’s about getting the hostages back and ensuring the terrorist fuckheads never do it again. The hostages do need food medicine and water and if they are released they can get it. There’s no excuse for taking them or holding them.
Kill every single person that took them, hurt them, or harbored them in Gaza.
Funny Israel is only on one side of Gaza yet the other surrounding countries blockading them aren’t the enemy. Israel hasn’t stolen any land. Don’t start wars you can’t win and they would still have their original borders, or if Arafat accepted the peace deal giving them their original borders.
There is no justification for what Hamas did on 10/7 and there’s nothing to discuss with Palestinians until the hostages are all released. Stupid terrorist simps in this sub
Standard hasbara propaganda
You know America has it's thumb on Egypt right
Israel was at war with gaza before
A political solution is Israels responsibility
This is decades
lol just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean it’s not true. You can’t just murder, rape, and kidnap so many civilians and then say “it’s their responsibility to find a political solution to get them back”. It’s hilarious you actually support that crap. Hamas brought this war on themselves and deservedly so.
They're settlers
They targeted military bases
Any attack would have complications
They somewhat apologized for those civilians
Israel does worse
Israel gaslights
Israel is an invader
Israel is the crown of a fascist hegemon
Israel isn't even authentically Jewish in spirit
Hamas attack doesnt justify wanton murder and ethnic cleansing
Hamas attack was justified strategically
Hamas brought pain upon themselves yes but Israel did the same
Israel won't negotiate honestly
Holy shit you’re retarded, there is ZERO justification for rape, murder, and kidnapping. They attacked a Peace Festival party, they stormed civilian beaches. They kidnapped women, children, and elderly and celebrated it. The whole world saw what they did. They can not cry about being bombed while still holding hostages. Hamas must and will be eradicated by any and all means necessary.
>there is ZERO justification for rape, murder, and kidnapping.
So you mean the things Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades? As well as occupation, theft of property, denial of basic rights etc etc.
What Hamas did on Oct 7 can't be defended. They are monsters. But Israel's response is so much worse.
There haven’t been any settlers in Gaza since 2005.
They targeting military bases and civilian areas.
An attack having complications doesn’t explain randomly beheading civilians.
How did they apologize? I know they said they definitely do it again.
Israel is definitely acting with a a great level of negligence for civilian life but that doesn’t mean you need to try and justify Hamas terrorism.
lol no he hasn’t. Hamas won’t release them, they wanted a ceasefire and all their terms met while giving up zero hostages. The only negotiation is release the hostages or continue to get bombed. What is your justification for the kidnap and rape of the hostages anyways?
Weak Strawman.
That isn’t a negotiation. That’s a threat. If you wanted the hostages back, you’d negotiate. If you didn’t care, you’d keep bombing. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.
So you support the kidnapping and rape of them to begin with? Why take them and why not release them? They are innocent civilians, quit simping for terrorists and figure out how that shit is justifiable to begin with
Please quote where I said I support that?
What an unbelievably infantile view or a complex problem. If the world was so simple, we’d be living in Utopia.
I could easily use the same flawed logic on you. If Israel wants the hostages back, all they have to do is stop bombing, permanently. Problem solved.
Blame Hamas for the civilian deaths, they brought this war onto them. None of this would have happened if they hadn’t attacked in October, there is zero justification for not supporting the release of the hostages unless you’re ok with the rape murder and kidnapping of civilians.
I will blame the ones who dropped the bombs, who killed their own people and Gaza’s people, and who forgot about their own hostages in their fit of rage.
You are the ones who are ok with rape, murder and kidnapping of civilians, manipulation and thievery in the world as we’ve seen in the last 4 months from this war and 75 years+ of bullshit.
I hope the hostages can go home to their families and tell their people about the destruction and trauma the IDF inflicted on Gaza.
This is the entire story of the conflict right there. Palestinians and their supporters pretending they are victims in a war they started. Imagine in 1945 a German saying there would be peace when the millions of germans who died in that war which they started came back to life.
How Israel has executed the war will very likely hurt it's security in both the short and long term. They could have called for a coalition military force to go in and remove Hamas while setting up areas specifically for civilians to go to be safe.
Israel in the aftermath of the October 7th terror attack could have called on its allies to form a coalition military force which would reduce the burden on the IDF, Israeli civilians, and their economy as well as be a way to ensure that the response would be seen in a different light by the world. The goal would remain the removal of Hamas and the rescue of the hostages.
The thing is, it's not "folks on this sub" who keep saying they have a credible plan to defeat Hamas, it's Bibi and the current government who keep saying that. We don't need to propose alternatives to rightly point out that there are doubts about the credibility of that supposed plan.
This sub is bad for quite a few things this is true, but my point is that a coalition military force would do several things for Israel it would reduce the burden on the IDF, Israeli civilians, and the economy while the goals of rescuing the hostages and removing Hamas would still be the primary focus of the coalition as well as offering a buffer to any criticism because the war would be fought in a certain way. The optics of how Israel has executed the war up to now have not only hurt it's standing, but will have short and long term negative impact on on the security of the population and the country itself.
The armchair generals either spew either hatred for Israel, or blame them for every military casualty. As if they (the redditor) could eliminate Hamas without any civilian casualties, collateral damage, and zero friendly fire.
Truly, the redditor of r/worldevents is Patton, Lee, Rommel and Napoleon all rolled into one.
And by that logic, there would be no October 7 without decades of oppression and slaughter of Palestinians.
Enough "I can do this because that." October 7 was a war crime. This attack is a genocide of an occupied native people.
Right but one notable difference seems to be motivation. Israeli actions, while involving massive levels of disregard for Palestinian lives, are motivated by achieving a strategic military goal of dismantling a hostile force that is actively targeting Israeli civilians. A combination of Hamas tactics of operating near civilians and Israel no longer finding that to be a sufficient deterrent means Israel kills a lot of civilians in its pursuit of its strategic goals.
What was Hamas goal on 10/7 though? If it was just catching hostages to trade for imprisoned Palestinians that’d seem more legitimate but they’ve already turned down several opportunities to do that. But they didn’t just catch hostages they carried out numerous acts of brutal violence with no conceivable strategic purpose. Same goes for the regular barrages of unguided rockets. What military purpose do they serve aside from killing random civilians?
Sorry to tell you but the Jews were allowed legally in the region as well back in the day. So they too are natives no matter how much you try to lie and spin that they aren't. Palestinians could have chosen to deal with the outcome and live in peace together but instead the started with war. Wars they lost. So let's stop playing stupid games here and admit that all parties are to blame on this one. If Palestinians really want peace then stop acting like they don't. Same for Israel at his point. They need to tell the settlers to screw off and stop making the situation worse.
Nah buddy. Ain't gonna play this petty game of yours. Those two Clowns need to figure it out or one side is not gonna have a good time. I ain't gonna worry about a war over religious beliefs and that nonsense going on there. Too many other wars that really matter to worry about.
If by "legally" you mean allowed by the United Kingdom, occupiers of Palestine and Transjordan at the time, yes. But the Zionists who migrated were used as an occupying power by the United Kingdom who, up until the time "colonist" became a bad word in global politics, referred to Zionists desiring an Israeli state as occupiers.
Palestinians "started a war" in the same way any native population "starts a war" against the occupying force. You simply view the Jewish population increase from 60,000 in the 1910s to 1.2 million in the 1940s, the arming of Zionists, the transfer of wealth and property to Zionists, the brutal suppression of labor rebellions, and the training by UK's military as nothing, then treat the war at formal independence in 1948 as the inciting incident.
Thats generally how colonizers work. Not sure what the problem is with you. Decisions done before many of us were born. It's stupid that these idiots on all sides continue to fight their fathers and grandfather's wars. Bunch of idiots all.of them. They are all there now. Freaking work it out already.
I have none. All the intelligent ones don't seem to work in that land of retards. They don't want peace. If they did we wouldn't be having this conversation. More blood for the blood God is needed as it seems. Tragedy for everyone.
Firstly that's no excuse for targetting civilians. Whatever you think of America's response to 9/11, we did not carpetbomb Afghanistan nor did we starve the civilian populations. In fact we airdropped food for Afghan civilians.
Secondly, no, the Israel-Palestine relationship was not peaceful before October 7th. You had been blockading Gaza for over a decade, and Israeli settlers in the West Bank regularly kidnapped, assaulted, and murdered Palestinians.
Israel have only used 10% their air force and they don’t need to commit huge ground forces to conquer a tiny shitty strip of land. They will bring the pain when they need to.
I think the 17% deaths by friendly fire IDF rate, the burgeoning mental illness and chaos in Israeli society and the fact that Hamas’ numbers have barely been dented speaks for itself. I’m glad you feel powerful being associated with war crimes and fascists tho, y’all are really showing them impoverished women and kids. Common Hasbara bot L 😂
You mean how the IDF rapes both Palestinian women and girls and their own comrades in arms ? What a tired argument. Palestine also isn’t a safe haven for American Arab pedophiles, so I think I know which side would make me feel safe. Israelis are hella racist towards Africans (and anyone non-white/Jewish really) and participate in resource and land theft across the continent.
No evidence for what you say yet Hamas proudly filmed their atrocities and uploaded to their telegram channels for the world to see. There are plenty of African Jews serving in the IDF.
There were black soldiers in the American civil war on both sides and they were still treated a second class citizens and denied their spoils of war. Using black bodies for colonizer projects is nothing new. I would link you sources to the actions of “the most moral army in the world” but your cognitive dissonance would kick in, no thanks. The IDF films civilian torture while Hamas films themselves blowing up enemy tanks.
There are plenty of videos on TikTok of black female IDF troops proudly serving. To make this a race issue is absurd. You obviously no nothing about Israeli society and are blinded by hate.
I wonder how many women and children he killed?
How many schools and mosques he destroyed?
How many people he executed?
Death is the easy path for them. These defeneates deserve to rot in a cell.
Nuremberg trials for all IDF terrorists. They wish to act like Nazis, then they should be treated like Nazis.
I wonder how many Palestinian snipers killed? Bombers? Knife assassin's? Do you realize how stupid this game is? Both sides have blood on their hands. Both are guilty. There is this or peace and apparently everyone wants this instead.
Proof? Proof of the numbers? Proof of where our money goes? Any proof? And if it did the what about Yemen? We did the same with SA and few batted an eye and they are still.bombong them. So again. Why are we crying about this again?
yea the USA and Canada have directly stated their financing of weapons to Isreal. And isreali politicians has directly stated their goal of ethnically cleansing Gaza.
when I see 30,000 civilians killed and a population of 2.5 million people concentrated in 64km sq Rafah, it is easy to recognize genocide. especially when that population is 50% children. sorry to hear that you really do not care about genocide, that's not the case for me.
So zero published facts. It doesn't fail. Every time I ask it's always the feelings numbers instead of facts. Palestinians started this long lasting conflict. With that said both sides do just want to get it over with at this point and I don't blame either side. Both sides have been and continue to be stupid. Yup. Stupid. Stupid people doing stupid things instead of working to find a balance that would work for all of them. But nope. Let's play kill each other instead. I say screw them both. Sadly Israel is a useful ally in the region and therefore they get money. Let them do what they want to do with each other so bad at this point.
>Palestinians started this long lasting conflict.
Although there have been atrocities on both sides, if you're talking about the long term, the Zionists started it with the Nakba.
If you're talking in the short term, October 7th in no justifies genocide against the civilian population.
If you want neutrality, we should sanction Israel, just like we sanction Hamas. And Israel has most definitely not been a useful ally. We don't need them for bases, seeing as we have bases in most Middle Eastern countries. I can't think of a single time they've stood up for us, even though we've stood up for them multiple times.
I guess paying them has been just for nothing? Lol. Come on you. You know full well we get regional intelligence and technology swaps as a minimum with.them. Better than SA were oil is thr only reason we have to tolerate those asses.
Intelligence? Like the "intelligence" that led to the Iraq war? Technology? Their missile defense systems are heavily dependent on American tech, but ours are not so dependent on Israeli tech. The one exception, is the Iron Dome, and when the US military tested it on Guam, they concluded that it would be better for us to just develop and build our own version. Also Israel blocked us from sending that Iron Dome system to Kyiv, and they didn't join us in sanctioning Russia or in arming Ukraine. They didn't help us in the War on Terror after we were attacked on September 11th either, nor did they help in the fight against ISIL.
The reason Israel gets so much aid is the Israeli lobby.
Sorry but you are grossly misinformed and I can understand being limited to some of the data I'm talking about. Israel provides a lot of good technology that we use and vice versa but in this case I can't say how and to what level but I assure you there's a good reason we keep Israel in our pocket. Warts and all.
I guess we're just.gonna have to disagree. Israel is for sure no angel,but no country is. Don't have any grudges with ya so please enjoy your your day as I'm about to load up on pizza.
How about the Arab nations invading Israel as it declared independence? It’s irrelevant to claim one side specifically started it, because the reality of often more complicated than that.
One thing is for certain: none of the 30k dead Palestinians would be dead if Hamas didn’t conduct 10/07.
The difference is that I don't turn the death of a Hamas terrorist into some kind of great loss or tragedy.
I don't regard them as "war heroes".
Your rebuttal is bereft of basic context.
When push the Zionist far enough, it always comes down to revelling in violence or the death of others.
Notice in my first post, I asked for *accountability*. A Jewish person who has nothing to do with the IDF has nothing to fear.
Yet now, once again, I see a Zionist celebrating might is right.
I find it to be a degenerate philosophy has has no place in the world.
Even disregarding that. He is rank and file soldier that died in a war he joined voluntarily. How is that news?
Oh it's news because there are so few IDF soldiers that die in this war. There has been barely more IDF soldier killed since the beginning than Palestinian children killed every single day since.
So few soldier casualty that a significant cause of death is friendly fire ... actually since this soldier has been killed by anti-tank rocket in an area already controlled by the IDF, this could be one of those instance too.
You guys are really not understanding how bad this is for Israel. Zero self-awareness. We now have a record of multiple atrocities, incitement to genocide from many politicians, the military, celebrities and the public. The world will not forget nor forgive.
The lesson is to not give people reason to hate you, and there was indeed nothing learned there. And before your american mode activates, no they dont hate you because of your freedoms lmao.
Global geopolitics isn’t pretty. If the US wasn’t the top power it would be someone else. Do you think the world would be more peaceful if it were Russia, China, Iran, India, Brazil? Who? Protecting “your way of life” means other people will have conflict with you. Maybe in the future when our world is truly a more global culture and people have more access to education and wealth we will all agree to get along… still a long way off.
Holy shit, keeping 1,100,000 in apartheid, and another 1,700,000 in a concentration camp, taking 93% of someone else land, bulldozing someone else house with people still in them, and thinking we just defending ourselves.
And this is finally the truth. Hence while I hurt for all the dead I just no longer care about this conflict. They both want war then go at it. Kill each other off for the stupidest of reasons.
[https://www.idf.il/en/](https://www.idf.il/en/) here, just replace IDF with Hamas. Every single fk shit you've accused hamas of doing, the IDF has done worst.
https://www.idf.il/en/ here, just replace IDF with Hamas. Every single fk shit you've accused hamas of doing, the IDF has done worst.
I couldn't have said it better the first time. What ever makes the IDF a defense force, apply to hamas.
They are clearly not a peace keeping force, they've been funded by Israel for a long time. What we are seeing is bad guys fighting bad guys while innocent people are murdered daily.
I never wish for anyone's death, but we shouldn't mourn the death of such a disgusting Nazi either. His goal was ethnic cleansing and genocide, and the world will remember that as his legacy.
92 Palestinians have been killed and 121 injured in the last 24 hours.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/24/israels-war-on-gaza-live-unrwa-no-longer-functional-in-north-gaza
The killing has been on average over 100 Palestinian deaths a day and over 100 injured a day, in a concentration camp that doesn't have access to medicine. A concentration camp that is 50% children.
This commander is one of the concentration camp guards who is overseeing the genocide.
Raz Segal is a Jewish professor of Genocide studies, on the 13th of October 2023 he called the attack on Gaza a [**"Textbook Case of Genocide".**](https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide)
The attitude in this thread is the exact reason Israel has to get rid of the threat that is Gaza. They have the same attitude as you all (cheering death) and have unfortunately taught only that to their children.
“The attitude in this thread is the exact reason Germans have to get rid of the threat that is Jews. They have the same attitude as you all (cheering death) and have unfortunately taught only that to their children.”
Hmm…this sounds familiar for some reason
Oh so we should not celebrate the death of murderers if they are jew? Why is that? Let me guess, you experienced a genocide a century ago so it would be mean? Fck off
People want to make Palestine the victims but we all know they're not. They made a calculated decision to invade Israel, they wanted to start a war that would make them look like the victims, and they're reaping every last seed they sowed.
Shame on the Arab and other nations who condemn Israel for hypocritically not granting asylum to the Palestinian refugees. They speak from both corners of their mouths.
And shame on the Americans who urged Israel to show restraint after 10/7, considering they're the country that dropped two nukes on Japan after one of their military bases was bombed. They justified the killing of Japanese people by claiming Japan awoke the sleeping giant. But when it comes to Hamas awaking Israel's wrath they're supposed to somehow be magnanimous about it?
Lastly, every single person in this thread would be on Israel's side if this happened in their country. Every. Single. One.
I would actually be against my country if it occupied and stole the land of an indigenous population. And in fact, I am. Do not project your inhumanity on me, genocidal maniac. Hope this helps.
They didn't occupy anything, Israelis are indigenous to the area. But for whatever reason people seem to think Arabs deserve all of the Middle East solely to themselves and you begrudge the Jews even a sliver of land.
If Arabs are getting killed, stop attacking Israel, dummies.
Brave men RIP. While hamas rats are hiding below their children, IDF standing in the front protecting their own citizens. Small and very unorganized army somehow managed to win against all odds.
Palestinians wanted war, now they pay for that decision. Let it be a lesson to any nation on this planet who start wars and violence instead of choosing compromise and peace.
"24 year old Major" That's pretty young.
I think they posthumously promote them two ranks or so
I guess TikTok’s get you promoted.
How many Palestinian children died last week?
hundreds. no one should feel bad for this terrorist who killed 12K children.
Wrong audience. Demand the answer from Hamas
Hamas would know. It's the Ministry of Hamas Health who determines and records.
The hospitals used to give us reliable numbers. Since they've been bombed and had staff killed, we just don't know and won't until well after the genocide is over.
Reliable???? Tan dhann dhaaaaaan!
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
How to deny a genocide, 2023-2024
Isn't it what all of you say about Oct 7th?
Close. What they all say is while they condemn what Hamas did, Israel could easily stop further attacks by disbanding and sending all its citizens to go live somewhere else.
Sounds like a plan, can they all get Swiss citizenship perhaps?
Why not? The Swiss have always welcomed poor Jews.
I'll go pack my suitcases.
See you in Geneva, Landsmann!
Nope
Which us followed by the isreali goverment and intelligence agency
Who cares?
I imagine his family cares. What Israel is doing in Gaza is appalling and needs to be stopped.
Then release the hostages that were kidnapped.
If this is really about the hostages why the carpetbombing? Those bombs kill hostages right alongside Palestinians. If this is really about the hostages, why are you cutting off the food, medicine, and water? Don't the hostages also need food, medicine, and water? If this is really about the hostages, why are you shooting random civilians, even ones under a white flag? That policy has already led to the Israeli military killing hostages.
I'm pretty sure some Israeli lawmaker recently said its not about the hostages anymore
yeah, the time for that has come and gone. I for one assumed all the hostages would never make it back, the day they were taken from israel. i'm happy to see some return. but after the unwillingness to backdown, this became about removing hamas and any future hostage taking.
No, this is about turning Gaza into a crater and annexing it, if Israel didn’t want a terrorist organization then they shouldn’t have propped Hamas up.
lol did you see where Israel shot the hostages who came out with hands up and a white flag? real top notch IDF action right there
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
if this isn't really about the hostages why not carpet bomb on the day before 10/7? those bombs disable hamas and prevent future 10/7 if hamas was delivering food/medicine/water to the hostages, or even the palestinians, maybe that might be the case. but we've seen ample examples they aren't. > why are you shooting random civilians, even ones under a white flag? same reason they worry about children and women with suicide vests. the area becomes grey why hamas uses a real civilian even once.
You don’t know what carpet bombing is if you think that’s what Israel is doing.
It’s about getting the hostages back and ensuring the terrorist fuckheads never do it again. The hostages do need food medicine and water and if they are released they can get it. There’s no excuse for taking them or holding them. Kill every single person that took them, hurt them, or harbored them in Gaza.
Then we should also kill every single Israeli that ever stole land or killed Palestinians?
*crickets*
Genocidal maniac.
What you’re ok with kidnappers and rapists?
When did I say I was ok with the IDF?
Then stop blockading gaza and stealing land
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Funny Israel is only on one side of Gaza yet the other surrounding countries blockading them aren’t the enemy. Israel hasn’t stolen any land. Don’t start wars you can’t win and they would still have their original borders, or if Arafat accepted the peace deal giving them their original borders. There is no justification for what Hamas did on 10/7 and there’s nothing to discuss with Palestinians until the hostages are all released. Stupid terrorist simps in this sub
Standard hasbara propaganda You know America has it's thumb on Egypt right Israel was at war with gaza before A political solution is Israels responsibility This is decades
lol just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean it’s not true. You can’t just murder, rape, and kidnap so many civilians and then say “it’s their responsibility to find a political solution to get them back”. It’s hilarious you actually support that crap. Hamas brought this war on themselves and deservedly so.
They're settlers They targeted military bases Any attack would have complications They somewhat apologized for those civilians Israel does worse Israel gaslights Israel is an invader Israel is the crown of a fascist hegemon Israel isn't even authentically Jewish in spirit Hamas attack doesnt justify wanton murder and ethnic cleansing Hamas attack was justified strategically Hamas brought pain upon themselves yes but Israel did the same Israel won't negotiate honestly
Holy shit you’re retarded, there is ZERO justification for rape, murder, and kidnapping. They attacked a Peace Festival party, they stormed civilian beaches. They kidnapped women, children, and elderly and celebrated it. The whole world saw what they did. They can not cry about being bombed while still holding hostages. Hamas must and will be eradicated by any and all means necessary.
>there is ZERO justification for rape, murder, and kidnapping. So you mean the things Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades? As well as occupation, theft of property, denial of basic rights etc etc. What Hamas did on Oct 7 can't be defended. They are monsters. But Israel's response is so much worse.
There haven’t been any settlers in Gaza since 2005. They targeting military bases and civilian areas. An attack having complications doesn’t explain randomly beheading civilians. How did they apologize? I know they said they definitely do it again. Israel is definitely acting with a a great level of negligence for civilian life but that doesn’t mean you need to try and justify Hamas terrorism.
Lol no one was beheaded Jesus If your opponent is a terrorist that has you landlocked you don't have many options so it's understandable
So the illegal occupying farce can shoot them to death again?
lol occupying bullshit again. What’s your justification for the kidnapping and rape of the hostages to begin with?
Zionist lie like crazy
All you guys do is hurl the word “zionist” around.
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Netenyahu refused hostage negotiations. This line doesn’t work when israel won’t negotiate. They don’t want them back. Get with the program, bot.
lol no he hasn’t. Hamas won’t release them, they wanted a ceasefire and all their terms met while giving up zero hostages. The only negotiation is release the hostages or continue to get bombed. What is your justification for the kidnap and rape of the hostages anyways?
Weak Strawman. That isn’t a negotiation. That’s a threat. If you wanted the hostages back, you’d negotiate. If you didn’t care, you’d keep bombing. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.
So you support the kidnapping and rape of them to begin with? Why take them and why not release them? They are innocent civilians, quit simping for terrorists and figure out how that shit is justifiable to begin with
Please quote where I said I support that? What an unbelievably infantile view or a complex problem. If the world was so simple, we’d be living in Utopia. I could easily use the same flawed logic on you. If Israel wants the hostages back, all they have to do is stop bombing, permanently. Problem solved.
If you’re against kidnapping and rape then why do you ask for a conditional release of them? Why not just call outright for their release?
Bring back the 30000+ that your people killed back to life and take back the damage you’ve done to Gaza’s cities, homes, and people.
Blame Hamas for the civilian deaths, they brought this war onto them. None of this would have happened if they hadn’t attacked in October, there is zero justification for not supporting the release of the hostages unless you’re ok with the rape murder and kidnapping of civilians.
I will blame the ones who dropped the bombs, who killed their own people and Gaza’s people, and who forgot about their own hostages in their fit of rage. You are the ones who are ok with rape, murder and kidnapping of civilians, manipulation and thievery in the world as we’ve seen in the last 4 months from this war and 75 years+ of bullshit. I hope the hostages can go home to their families and tell their people about the destruction and trauma the IDF inflicted on Gaza.
This is the entire story of the conflict right there. Palestinians and their supporters pretending they are victims in a war they started. Imagine in 1945 a German saying there would be peace when the millions of germans who died in that war which they started came back to life.
Most people are stupid enough to fall for that lie that releasing hostages would make Israel stop murdering Palestinians.
Why keep them? Why take them? Why rape them? You support the kidnapping and rape of civilian hostages?
Hamas must be eliminated
How Israel has executed the war will very likely hurt it's security in both the short and long term. They could have called for a coalition military force to go in and remove Hamas while setting up areas specifically for civilians to go to be safe.
What coalition force? What are you even talking about?
Israel in the aftermath of the October 7th terror attack could have called on its allies to form a coalition military force which would reduce the burden on the IDF, Israeli civilians, and their economy as well as be a way to ensure that the response would be seen in a different light by the world. The goal would remain the removal of Hamas and the rescue of the hostages.
You’re living in a dream world if you think any country other than Israel would put down its own boots on the ground.
The folks on this sub complaining about how Israel has prosecuted this war come up with unrealistic ideas of how to fight a war.
The thing is, it's not "folks on this sub" who keep saying they have a credible plan to defeat Hamas, it's Bibi and the current government who keep saying that. We don't need to propose alternatives to rightly point out that there are doubts about the credibility of that supposed plan.
This sub is bad for quite a few things this is true, but my point is that a coalition military force would do several things for Israel it would reduce the burden on the IDF, Israeli civilians, and the economy while the goals of rescuing the hostages and removing Hamas would still be the primary focus of the coalition as well as offering a buffer to any criticism because the war would be fought in a certain way. The optics of how Israel has executed the war up to now have not only hurt it's standing, but will have short and long term negative impact on on the security of the population and the country itself.
And what coalition would want to get involved?
The armchair generals either spew either hatred for Israel, or blame them for every military casualty. As if they (the redditor) could eliminate Hamas without any civilian casualties, collateral damage, and zero friendly fire. Truly, the redditor of r/worldevents is Patton, Lee, Rommel and Napoleon all rolled into one.
Armed with a degree in reddit brigading
Israel isn’t the one who asked for this war.. there would be nothing if it wasn’t for the Palestinian leader’s attack on 10/7
And by that logic, there would be no October 7 without decades of oppression and slaughter of Palestinians. Enough "I can do this because that." October 7 was a war crime. This attack is a genocide of an occupied native people.
Right but one notable difference seems to be motivation. Israeli actions, while involving massive levels of disregard for Palestinian lives, are motivated by achieving a strategic military goal of dismantling a hostile force that is actively targeting Israeli civilians. A combination of Hamas tactics of operating near civilians and Israel no longer finding that to be a sufficient deterrent means Israel kills a lot of civilians in its pursuit of its strategic goals. What was Hamas goal on 10/7 though? If it was just catching hostages to trade for imprisoned Palestinians that’d seem more legitimate but they’ve already turned down several opportunities to do that. But they didn’t just catch hostages they carried out numerous acts of brutal violence with no conceivable strategic purpose. Same goes for the regular barrages of unguided rockets. What military purpose do they serve aside from killing random civilians?
Sorry to tell you but the Jews were allowed legally in the region as well back in the day. So they too are natives no matter how much you try to lie and spin that they aren't. Palestinians could have chosen to deal with the outcome and live in peace together but instead the started with war. Wars they lost. So let's stop playing stupid games here and admit that all parties are to blame on this one. If Palestinians really want peace then stop acting like they don't. Same for Israel at his point. They need to tell the settlers to screw off and stop making the situation worse.
So I take it you also think Nat Turners rebellion justified slavery? Because that’s the argument you’re making
Nah buddy. Ain't gonna play this petty game of yours. Those two Clowns need to figure it out or one side is not gonna have a good time. I ain't gonna worry about a war over religious beliefs and that nonsense going on there. Too many other wars that really matter to worry about.
If by "legally" you mean allowed by the United Kingdom, occupiers of Palestine and Transjordan at the time, yes. But the Zionists who migrated were used as an occupying power by the United Kingdom who, up until the time "colonist" became a bad word in global politics, referred to Zionists desiring an Israeli state as occupiers. Palestinians "started a war" in the same way any native population "starts a war" against the occupying force. You simply view the Jewish population increase from 60,000 in the 1910s to 1.2 million in the 1940s, the arming of Zionists, the transfer of wealth and property to Zionists, the brutal suppression of labor rebellions, and the training by UK's military as nothing, then treat the war at formal independence in 1948 as the inciting incident.
Thats generally how colonizers work. Not sure what the problem is with you. Decisions done before many of us were born. It's stupid that these idiots on all sides continue to fight their fathers and grandfather's wars. Bunch of idiots all.of them. They are all there now. Freaking work it out already.
So what's your preferred solution to the problem? It's easy to shit on everyone's ideas when you don't have any for yourself.
I have none. All the intelligent ones don't seem to work in that land of retards. They don't want peace. If they did we wouldn't be having this conversation. More blood for the blood God is needed as it seems. Tragedy for everyone.
Yikes
Firstly that's no excuse for targetting civilians. Whatever you think of America's response to 9/11, we did not carpetbomb Afghanistan nor did we starve the civilian populations. In fact we airdropped food for Afghan civilians. Secondly, no, the Israel-Palestine relationship was not peaceful before October 7th. You had been blockading Gaza for over a decade, and Israeli settlers in the West Bank regularly kidnapped, assaulted, and murdered Palestinians.
Good riddance - now the rest of the Zionist terrorist army.
The IDF are kicking ass and will complete the mission. Cope and seeth.
Quite the opposite is being observed but ok. Delusion is the part of the Zionist flair.
Israel have only used 10% their air force and they don’t need to commit huge ground forces to conquer a tiny shitty strip of land. They will bring the pain when they need to.
I think the 17% deaths by friendly fire IDF rate, the burgeoning mental illness and chaos in Israeli society and the fact that Hamas’ numbers have barely been dented speaks for itself. I’m glad you feel powerful being associated with war crimes and fascists tho, y’all are really showing them impoverished women and kids. Common Hasbara bot L 😂
Do you feel ashamed to be a woman yet support a terrorist outfit that raped women and killed children in front of their parents?
You mean how the IDF rapes both Palestinian women and girls and their own comrades in arms ? What a tired argument. Palestine also isn’t a safe haven for American Arab pedophiles, so I think I know which side would make me feel safe. Israelis are hella racist towards Africans (and anyone non-white/Jewish really) and participate in resource and land theft across the continent.
No evidence for what you say yet Hamas proudly filmed their atrocities and uploaded to their telegram channels for the world to see. There are plenty of African Jews serving in the IDF.
There were black soldiers in the American civil war on both sides and they were still treated a second class citizens and denied their spoils of war. Using black bodies for colonizer projects is nothing new. I would link you sources to the actions of “the most moral army in the world” but your cognitive dissonance would kick in, no thanks. The IDF films civilian torture while Hamas films themselves blowing up enemy tanks.
There are plenty of videos on TikTok of black female IDF troops proudly serving. To make this a race issue is absurd. You obviously no nothing about Israeli society and are blinded by hate.
I've never seen such vile comments than in this thread... you're a genocidal maniac.
So I’m a genocidal maniac but the people committing a maniacal genocide aren’t? Real smooth brain attitude from a filthy wannabe war criminal.
It's not a genocide and you're worse than lukid with your rhetoric.
I wonder how many women and children he killed? How many schools and mosques he destroyed? How many people he executed? Death is the easy path for them. These defeneates deserve to rot in a cell. Nuremberg trials for all IDF terrorists. They wish to act like Nazis, then they should be treated like Nazis.
I hope every single one of them haunts him through the afterlife for eternity.
Dream on
I wonder how many Palestinian snipers killed? Bombers? Knife assassin's? Do you realize how stupid this game is? Both sides have blood on their hands. Both are guilty. There is this or peace and apparently everyone wants this instead.
Except 2.5 million Gazans are being ethnically cleansed while funded by our taxes.
Proof? Proof of the numbers? Proof of where our money goes? Any proof? And if it did the what about Yemen? We did the same with SA and few batted an eye and they are still.bombong them. So again. Why are we crying about this again?
yea the USA and Canada have directly stated their financing of weapons to Isreal. And isreali politicians has directly stated their goal of ethnically cleansing Gaza. when I see 30,000 civilians killed and a population of 2.5 million people concentrated in 64km sq Rafah, it is easy to recognize genocide. especially when that population is 50% children. sorry to hear that you really do not care about genocide, that's not the case for me.
So zero published facts. It doesn't fail. Every time I ask it's always the feelings numbers instead of facts. Palestinians started this long lasting conflict. With that said both sides do just want to get it over with at this point and I don't blame either side. Both sides have been and continue to be stupid. Yup. Stupid. Stupid people doing stupid things instead of working to find a balance that would work for all of them. But nope. Let's play kill each other instead. I say screw them both. Sadly Israel is a useful ally in the region and therefore they get money. Let them do what they want to do with each other so bad at this point.
>Palestinians started this long lasting conflict. Although there have been atrocities on both sides, if you're talking about the long term, the Zionists started it with the Nakba. If you're talking in the short term, October 7th in no justifies genocide against the civilian population. If you want neutrality, we should sanction Israel, just like we sanction Hamas. And Israel has most definitely not been a useful ally. We don't need them for bases, seeing as we have bases in most Middle Eastern countries. I can't think of a single time they've stood up for us, even though we've stood up for them multiple times.
I guess paying them has been just for nothing? Lol. Come on you. You know full well we get regional intelligence and technology swaps as a minimum with.them. Better than SA were oil is thr only reason we have to tolerate those asses.
Intelligence? Like the "intelligence" that led to the Iraq war? Technology? Their missile defense systems are heavily dependent on American tech, but ours are not so dependent on Israeli tech. The one exception, is the Iron Dome, and when the US military tested it on Guam, they concluded that it would be better for us to just develop and build our own version. Also Israel blocked us from sending that Iron Dome system to Kyiv, and they didn't join us in sanctioning Russia or in arming Ukraine. They didn't help us in the War on Terror after we were attacked on September 11th either, nor did they help in the fight against ISIL. The reason Israel gets so much aid is the Israeli lobby.
Sorry but you are grossly misinformed and I can understand being limited to some of the data I'm talking about. Israel provides a lot of good technology that we use and vice versa but in this case I can't say how and to what level but I assure you there's a good reason we keep Israel in our pocket. Warts and all. I guess we're just.gonna have to disagree. Israel is for sure no angel,but no country is. Don't have any grudges with ya so please enjoy your your day as I'm about to load up on pizza.
How about the Arab nations invading Israel as it declared independence? It’s irrelevant to claim one side specifically started it, because the reality of often more complicated than that. One thing is for certain: none of the 30k dead Palestinians would be dead if Hamas didn’t conduct 10/07.
That was after the Nakba had already begun.
Source? That is not my understanding.
You people always hit on the nakba but never mention the expulsion of Jews from arab countries.
The Palestinians weren't expelling Jews from other countries.
You dont know what you're talking about mate lmao ethnic cleansing 😂😂 and from what country are you really ?
The difference is that I don't turn the death of a Hamas terrorist into some kind of great loss or tragedy. I don't regard them as "war heroes". Your rebuttal is bereft of basic context.
Let's go negative karma. Let your feelings control you instead of logics and facts.
Just celebrate the dead Israeli. Its the onky type of vixtory Palestina will ever taste. Setting themselves on fire to simge Israel.
When push the Zionist far enough, it always comes down to revelling in violence or the death of others. Notice in my first post, I asked for *accountability*. A Jewish person who has nothing to do with the IDF has nothing to fear. Yet now, once again, I see a Zionist celebrating might is right. I find it to be a degenerate philosophy has has no place in the world.
Death is never a cause for celebrations, but knowing that he won't kill anymore Children does make this news not so terrible
Good riddance. May the rest of the IGF suffer the same fate.
IDF will complete its mission. Cope and seeth.
🔻🔻🔻 Another dead terrorist. Rest in piss.
100%. you expect us to feel bad for the people who killed 12k children?
Even disregarding that. He is rank and file soldier that died in a war he joined voluntarily. How is that news? Oh it's news because there are so few IDF soldiers that die in this war. There has been barely more IDF soldier killed since the beginning than Palestinian children killed every single day since. So few soldier casualty that a significant cause of death is friendly fire ... actually since this soldier has been killed by anti-tank rocket in an area already controlled by the IDF, this could be one of those instance too.
Rest in piss
Hope the knowledge that there probably are 10 Hamas families crying for each IDF death doesn't stop your celebration...
It doesn’t.
Actually,I think you'll find it's: IDF terrorist commander kill by hamas peace keeping force.
Holy shit. Social media has rotten people’s brains. I bet you think Bin Laden was a peace keeper too.
You guys are really not understanding how bad this is for Israel. Zero self-awareness. We now have a record of multiple atrocities, incitement to genocide from many politicians, the military, celebrities and the public. The world will not forget nor forgive.
That's funny because before 911, west literally did call bin laden a warrior of peace lmfao.
lol so what’s the lesson? Be careful supporting jihadi warriors who gladly call for the death of your culture? Nothing learned there?
The lesson is to not give people reason to hate you, and there was indeed nothing learned there. And before your american mode activates, no they dont hate you because of your freedoms lmao.
So your beef isn’t with Israel really, it’s the entire western world. Gotcha.
....I am not sure how you got that from my comment but no my beef is not with the west, it's with USA, and whoever supports them.
Global geopolitics isn’t pretty. If the US wasn’t the top power it would be someone else. Do you think the world would be more peaceful if it were Russia, China, Iran, India, Brazil? Who? Protecting “your way of life” means other people will have conflict with you. Maybe in the future when our world is truly a more global culture and people have more access to education and wealth we will all agree to get along… still a long way off.
Holy shit, keeping 1,100,000 in apartheid, and another 1,700,000 in a concentration camp, taking 93% of someone else land, bulldozing someone else house with people still in them, and thinking we just defending ourselves.
Show me some proof that Hamas is a "pece keeping force".
Sure, Hamas isn't peaceful, but neither is Israel, and people are sick and tired of the double-standard and the hypocrisy.
And this is finally the truth. Hence while I hurt for all the dead I just no longer care about this conflict. They both want war then go at it. Kill each other off for the stupidest of reasons.
[https://www.idf.il/en/](https://www.idf.il/en/) here, just replace IDF with Hamas. Every single fk shit you've accused hamas of doing, the IDF has done worst.
So, no evidence of Hamas keeping the peace then? My question was simple.
https://www.idf.il/en/ here, just replace IDF with Hamas. Every single fk shit you've accused hamas of doing, the IDF has done worst. I couldn't have said it better the first time. What ever makes the IDF a defense force, apply to hamas.
They are clearly not a peace keeping force, they've been funded by Israel for a long time. What we are seeing is bad guys fighting bad guys while innocent people are murdered daily.
RIP bozo Good riddance
As Mohammad Hijab would say: Liquidated
🔻🔻🔻 One for the books.
Lmao a 24 year old major. The rank inflation is insane. I bet they have 30 year old brigadier generals.
I never wish for anyone's death, but we shouldn't mourn the death of such a disgusting Nazi either. His goal was ethnic cleansing and genocide, and the world will remember that as his legacy.
92 Palestinians have been killed and 121 injured in the last 24 hours. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/24/israels-war-on-gaza-live-unrwa-no-longer-functional-in-north-gaza The killing has been on average over 100 Palestinian deaths a day and over 100 injured a day, in a concentration camp that doesn't have access to medicine. A concentration camp that is 50% children. This commander is one of the concentration camp guards who is overseeing the genocide.
It ain’t a genocide. Edgy buzzword bro.
Bibi is this your burner?
Raz Segal is a Jewish professor of Genocide studies, on the 13th of October 2023 he called the attack on Gaza a [**"Textbook Case of Genocide".**](https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide)
But it’s not a genocide by the standard of international law. That’s what really matters😉
Genocide denial. Classy.
Another dead rapist.
he was an evil man who is in the depths of hell.
Smoking that pack. Rest in piss.
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lol , don’t rip bozo
I found the losers...
Ha ha !
Me and my roommates in new jersey have declared a cease fire in Gaza.
Bye bye
The keyboard warriors in this sub are really tough but the IDF is tougher and none of your pathetic takes will stop Israel lol
Lot of sick people on this sub.
RIP hero
Rip
Funny how much people want to demonize Israel, but look at how nasty all these comments are.
Unlike Hamas rats, Israeli commanders are the ones putting their lives at risk to protect their soldiers and the civilians of Israel
Bwahahahha really?
They are not the ones hiding in tunnels with hostages
The attitude in this thread is the exact reason Israel has to get rid of the threat that is Gaza. They have the same attitude as you all (cheering death) and have unfortunately taught only that to their children.
Can't blame others for not liking the IDF terrorists
Cheering death? You mean like the Israelis do on their Palestinian Gore Telegrams?
“The attitude in this thread is the exact reason Germans have to get rid of the threat that is Jews. They have the same attitude as you all (cheering death) and have unfortunately taught only that to their children.” Hmm…this sounds familiar for some reason
Exactly! By bombing the shit out of a civilian population, Israel will successfully remove all criticism of its actions from Reddit. ... ?
No they might remove people that want to hurt them and keep launching rockets and attacks like 10/7 though. That’s the goal.
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What ? Either human life has value, or it doesn't. Can't have it both ways. Imagine if every dead Palestinian had their own thread.
He could've been Italian or Chinese or Budhist or jewish or arab or whatever really. It wouldn't add or take from the fact he was a terrorist.
Nowhere in the article does it say he's Jewish.
Oh so we should not celebrate the death of murderers if they are jew? Why is that? Let me guess, you experienced a genocide a century ago so it would be mean? Fck off
Hopefully he killed a lot of terrorists before he died. RIP, solider.
Apparently all the people downvoting you love terrorists
People want to make Palestine the victims but we all know they're not. They made a calculated decision to invade Israel, they wanted to start a war that would make them look like the victims, and they're reaping every last seed they sowed. Shame on the Arab and other nations who condemn Israel for hypocritically not granting asylum to the Palestinian refugees. They speak from both corners of their mouths. And shame on the Americans who urged Israel to show restraint after 10/7, considering they're the country that dropped two nukes on Japan after one of their military bases was bombed. They justified the killing of Japanese people by claiming Japan awoke the sleeping giant. But when it comes to Hamas awaking Israel's wrath they're supposed to somehow be magnanimous about it? Lastly, every single person in this thread would be on Israel's side if this happened in their country. Every. Single. One.
I would actually be against my country if it occupied and stole the land of an indigenous population. And in fact, I am. Do not project your inhumanity on me, genocidal maniac. Hope this helps.
They didn't occupy anything, Israelis are indigenous to the area. But for whatever reason people seem to think Arabs deserve all of the Middle East solely to themselves and you begrudge the Jews even a sliver of land. If Arabs are getting killed, stop attacking Israel, dummies.
Palestinians are the indigenous people and have been in the Levant for thousands of years. Try again?
Great news
Need to take out a few thousand tomorrow in his memory. God bless.
Brave men RIP. While hamas rats are hiding below their children, IDF standing in the front protecting their own citizens. Small and very unorganized army somehow managed to win against all odds. Palestinians wanted war, now they pay for that decision. Let it be a lesson to any nation on this planet who start wars and violence instead of choosing compromise and peace.
HELL YEAH CRAB RAVE REST IN PISS