>At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—**the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters.** Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. **OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.**
HOLY SHIT
It is…but from what I understand the opposite also holds true….it’s hard to bring creatures/fish up from the deep ocean because they turn into blobs since the lower pressure can’t keep them together.
yeah, [they're actually quite cute](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blobfish-natural-environment/)
**edit** tried a different, non-paywalled link with some other photos.
I’m just baffled that anyone thought this was a good idea after everyone told them “Hey this isn’t safe”
Employees complained that it wasn’t safe (Red Flag Number 1) They went searching for the titanic which is at the bottom of the ocean (Red Flag 2) the controller was literally an old Nintendo controller (Red Flag Number 3)
Like this was full of red flags. And they didn’t think “Hey this seems like a bad idea”
It’s literally that “Dumb ways to die” theme song
The Logitech to troller is the least red of flags here, and that’s very unfortunate. I just watched the CBS Sunday Morning segment on this thing, and it’s a fucking death trap.
“The crew close the hatch, from the outside, with 17 bolts… there’s no other way out.”
That’s such a psychotically unsafe design, it’s unfathomable how anyone would willingly get in the thing. That violates every design practice and safety regulation regarding crew doors in the aircraft and space industries that can be traced back to the Apollo 1 fire in 1967 (an excellent, albeit sad, case study in door operational safety). It’s literally one of the first things I have new engineers study when they work with me.
No way to open it from the inside (like mechanically triggering a charge that blows off the bolts), no lifejackets, no beacon of any kind, and a bullseye that isn't certified for the depth it goes. Even if the sub manages to throw off the ballast and rise to the surface, there is no way to get out, and even if you could get out, there is no way you can stay afloat or be found. Nobody has played a what-if game with this thing.
Games controllers are used for a variety of purposes like controlling military drones and tend to be sturdy and easy to use.
Sure, a beacon would have been more expensive than the binoculars that would have allowed Frederick Fleet to spot the iceberg earlier on the Titanic's maiden voyage, but it's the same "oh, it'll be OK" attitude.
> Nobody has played a what-if game with this thing.
It seems like several people did and they were either ignored or fired. I've worked for idiots like this before. They wanted to do unsafe, stupid shit and I was labeled as "negative".
Not even a Nintendo brand controller IIRC, but an off-brand controller like something your aunt would get you for your birthday and the youngest kid always had to use.
I saw the Mythbusters episode where they did the explosive compression of meat man in the old timey metal-top diving suit…turned into a meat milkshake in five seconds flat. And that was at what, three hundred feet?
At four thousand, I don’t think they would blink before becoming milkshakes.
Edit - fixed it from decompression to compression, brain not working after long workday.
So like would it just suddenly buckle? Would it not be gradual and obvious to them that the building pressure is not okay?
Honest questions from a not smart man
Edit: thanks all for the replies folks. Genuinely interesting stuff!
There'd be a lot of cracking and creaking sounds as the composite hull adjusts to pressure, but that's all it it holds up.
Failures in externally pressured systems are almost always catastrophic, instant failures. A weak point, be it a section of poorly wetted fabric in the composite, a void in between the layers, a poorly bonded region along a join of two parts, etc. will give and the loss of shape (shape of the vessel does a huge huge huge amount of the work in pressure vessel design) instantly creates much higher stresses in that now deformed region, and it just gets worse from there. That all happens in a few milliseconds. Buckling is the correct term for it.
You ever seal your mouth on a bottle and suck the air out as a kid? Remember how easily it crumples? That's one atmosphere of pressure, assuming you managed to create a full vacuum inside (you didn't). At 4000m deep, it's 400 atmospheres of pressure.
So I’m not an expert, but can do some very back of the napkin math.
Per the internet, pressure increases linearly by one atmosphere of pressure every 10 meters below the surface you are. So at 4,000 meters deep, you’re at 400 atmospheres. One atmosphere is a little less than 15 psi, so 400 atmospheres times ~15 psi you’re looking at ~6,000 psi at 4,000 meters deep.
At that pressure, no, you won’t see it coming. Once there’s a breach or failure of the pressure vessel, it’s all going to collapse in catastrophically in the blink of an eye.
Reddit did the math a few years ago regarding a nuclear sub what went down in the 60s https://www.reddit.com/r/submarines/comments/gy1wc6/comment/fta5zno/
TL;DR The crush event takes a few milliseconds, heating the air in the vessel to over a thousand degrees in as much time.
Things seldom happen gradually when pressures of nearly 400 bar are involved.
Most industrial hydraulic presses, the kind that crush cars and compress metal, cap out at around half that.
They likely died in instantly. The window was only rated for a fraction of the pressure experienced at those depths. ~~Explosive~~ implosive compression of the craft.
If they were lucky, yeah. If I were in that situation I would much rather be killed instantaneously than sitting in a minivan at the bottom of the ocean waiting for the oxygen to run out on Thursday.
All Russian, American, and other countries Navies generally have DSRV's/submersibles, and all actually certified and depth rated civilian ones internationally are at least painted orange and white among other bright color patterns, and all of them have hatches and docking collars you can ya know, fucking open from the inside if you need on the surface or near it, or have the ability to connect lines to pump air in at the least. Holy shit OceanGate seem to be actual fucking idiots.
The CEO was piloting the damned thing himself after cutting all those corners and it was chock full of billionaires who didn't do a much diligence. Seems plenty of hubris to go around.
What I read into current news about this is that the searchers have little hope of finding it and no plan was in place at all, by the business, to help rescue the craft whether it be hooked on a pool table at -4000mts or bobbing just under the surface of the ocean. Like none. Like this:
"so what happens if there is communication failure and the craft is sent back up to the surface?"
"Oh well, we wouldn't be able to see it anyway and it would surface anwhere up 5km from where it was last guessed to be so, yaknow ... we're relying on it to just work"
"Oh, I see. What about if it snags on something down there?"
"No, well there's nothing we can do about that anyway"
"But if it floats up to the surface they are ok, right?"
"No, they are dead anyway. They are bolted in from the outside. They can't get out and the thing is pretty airtight .. yaknow .. *obviously* ..."
Yeah, the hatch is the scariest part of this fucking death trap…. Closed in from the outside with 17 bolts. You could have a successful dive, surface, not be found by the diving company, and still die of oxygen deprivation floating on the surface because of the unsafe dogshit design.
That's the point where I'm out. You're bolting it shut. From the *outside*. Nope. I don't need to see fish that badly. I'll just watch some old Jacque Cousteau videos.
I mean--what a dumbass vehicle, and dumbass excursion.
Potentially "imploding" at 2+ miles deep would be the absolute height of the excursion's worth to humanity, provided we can find and study the sub.
Yep, another one is they where not required to do representation tests. So just like the old comet jets they had no real way of knowing how many times the hull could handle pressurizing and depressurization. Not to mention the viewport wasn’t even rated for the depth they where going.
Yep. Every sub is designed with some mechanism so that if all means of propulsion/control fail, they can still take some action (e.g. drop ballast, emergency blow of the ballast tanks) to reach the surface.
The idea being that once the sub is able to reach the surface the crew can then escape out of the sub (to the relative safety of the open ocean where hopefully they can be found/rescued.)
This sub seems unique in that even if it was able to reach the surface in an emergency, the crew would be trapped inside with a dwindling supply of oxygen and no emergency transponder or anything to signal potential rescue vessels of its location.
No rational person would enter such a vessel.
And it's not even painted a color that would make it easier to find at the surface.
At least choose something like fluorescent yellow-green, fluorescent orange, or red instead of white.
Yes! WHY IS IT PAINTED WHITE. They literally designed it as a death trap from the ground up, including the colour.
Why not give it a SHOT to be found if it’s on or near the surface by making it orange or red?
Also the fact that there is no way out from the inside, or even a way to puncture the window to allow oxygen in if the are surfaced. They designed this thing like they wanted people to die in it.
There’s got to be some kind of formula or equation for estimating the likelihood of dying a stupid death being directly proportionate to how much money one has. Something like:
$$$ = ☠️
Only, you know, smart.
"Michael Rockefeller Sets Sail, Bound For Adventure"
"Michael Rockefeller's death in New Guinea in 1961 was initially ruled a drowning — but some believe he was actually eaten by cannibals."
https://allthatsinteresting.com/michael-rockefeller
I never bought that he survived a 12 mile swim. All of the accounts from the people who just happened to hear them telling the story seem far too convenient.
It's pretty mad he did a trip like 3 times deeper, absolutely ages ago, and survived to tell the tale.
Also was doing voice calls while down there, when this thing could only text..
> Cameron's sub
"The submersible features a pilot sphere measuring 1.1 metres (43 in) in diameter, large enough for only one occupant."
That doesn't sound like a fun way to spend 8 hours. OTOH, a small sphere is more likely to survive the crushing pressure at depth. When given the choice of discomfort for some hours or being crushed to death, I'll take the discomfort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger
In a news bit on the piece you can see everything that could have been done cheaply, was done cheaply. If I was asked to get into this, I would not, even if the offer was for a free ride. He clearly had some inventors spirit, and a lot of this thing seemed pretty slapped together. To be fair it did survive for a while, but a while is not enough when human lives are on the line every time.
The guy who hooked James Cameron up with the crew of the Russian-owned submersibles who was involved in making the 1992 Imax documentary *Titanica*:
>On his second expedition to the Titanic, [Joe] MacInnis and the crew briefly found themselves stuck on part of the wreck. A second sub was sent to investigate and between the two figure out a way to gently jiggle the craft free. On that same trip, the crew lost radio contact after the sub went behind the Titanic’s propellers to film footage for the documentary.
Even if OceanGate was correct in their engineering assessments of the hull and viewport, it really makes you think how necessary it is to have a second craft available there if you get hung up in what could be shifting parts of the wreckage.
So I just clicked on your profile, eager to read everything you had to say about this. First and foremost, prayers for a miracle - that they actually are floating on the surface somewhere (one can hope?) Secondly - thank you for sharing your experiences. Finally, this comment of yours was awfully prophetic. Unfortunately, it appears thousands of red flags were ignored:
r/todayilearned - (104 days ago!)
TIL For $250k you can visit the wreck of the Titanic:
“I worked for Oceangate for six months, and it was by far the worst work experience I ever had. I'm amazed they haven’t gone bankrupt or lost a sub.”
So we use viewports like this a lot at my work. We do a ton of calculations on them, and test them ourselves, and have a PE review and signoff on the design. All by the book. But PVHO and ABS, the two major authorities for hyperbaric and atmospheric manned subsea equipment, will not certify equipment past a certain point. You have to do it yourself. We test these viewports for hundreds of hours over many cycles to 1.5x it's maximum operating pressure. We've never had one fail, but we've also never had one certified.
I wonder if the submersible had external pingers they could use to locate it, similar to spaceship landing capsules or airplane flight recorders. Sadly, it seems not to be the case, as no one is writing about it.
There's a guy on twitter who's a journalist who apparently has been in the sub now lost, when he was covering the story apparently the sub got lost for "about 5 hours". He was on the boat at the time not in the sub however , according to him, they allegedly***talked about the fact that some type of pinger or gps tag might be a good idea***......because it didn't have one....which is why it was lost for 5hours during that trip. Ffs
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.you couldn't write this shit. What a completely preventable tragedy in literally every single way
Wow. They literally repeated the Titanic's mistake of not preparing for the worst, thinking it won't happen to them (even after an earlier incident). I guess hubris is incurable.
Their promo video has customers - pardon me, “specialists” - stressing that they felt safe because it *never* loses comms. All these rich people happy to shell out hundreds of thousands but not spare the five minutes it takes to google the company’s track record.
But the CEO said the safety regulations for submersibles like his were "obscene"! Are you telling me that the free market actually needs regulation and trusting corporations to do the right thing just leads to death and suffering?
https://youtu.be/-rQBVbmwSbI
I don't like Piers Morgan but this interview was haunting. It has a guy who was involved in another exhibition down to the wreck and their sub got stuck. You can see just the utter fear he still has about it
Wow. That reporters reaction. Serious stuff they're doing in terms of it being dangerous. Which makes me more furious that the CEO was so dismissive about safety and joking about the substandard equipment they were using. Its all fun in games until its not.
If the sub is still intact, which is highly unlikely at this point, it won’t really matter whether it’s on the bottom of the ocean or floating on the surface. Even if the crew did manage to resurface, the door can only be opened from the outside, and the geniuses at OceanGate decided to paint the sub *white.* So no matter where they are, they’ll probably run out of oxygen before anyone can find them.
I imagine white to be slightly better then dark blue/black but surely dayglow orange or yellow would make it somewhat easier. White I'm guessing just mixes in with the breaking waves.
James Cameron made his submersible in Kawasaki Green. Much easier to find in the ocean. Also HIGHLY recommend watching his journey to the Mariana Trench. They explain the built, tests, and dives. He went MUCH MUCH deeper but the systems he had onboard was night and day compared to Ocean Gate
Free video here
https://youtu.be/ZZD_nbS1_II
In February, a couple in Florida sued Mr. Rush, saying that his company refused to refund them the $105,000 that they each paid to visit the Titanic on the Titan in 2018. The trip was postponed several times, according to the suit, in part because the company said it needed to run more tests on the Titan. The couple claimed that Mr. Rush reneged on his promise of giving them a refund and that the company instead demanded that they participate in a July 2021 voyage to the wreckage.
The lawsuit is pending and Mr. Rush has not responded to it. Court records do not list a lawyer representing him in that case.
Mr. Concannon invited the federal judge who was hearing the case, Rebecca Beach Smith, to join the company for an expedition, according to a separate filing, something the judge seemed interested in doing.
“Perhaps, if another expedition occurs in the future, I will be able to do so,” the judge wrote in May, adding that after many years of hearing cases about the Titanic wreckage, “that opportunity would be quite informative and present a first ‘eyes on’ view of the wreck site by the Court.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html
Wouldn't a federal judge accepting a free trip from a billionaire who has a matter before the court be against the law?
As a sub sailor, a quick implosion by the pressure from that depth would be how I'd want to go. It's quick.
No thanks to sitting around suffocating.
Should have listened to the manufacturer and heeded the sub safe requirements. They exist for a reason.
Let's not forget that Stockton said something along the lines of he didn't hire submarine experts because they're mostly retired Navy submariners that are 50 year old white men, and that he wanted to hire younger people to inspire the next generation.....
I'm sorry but if I had to choose someone to design/ help find flaws with a deep underwater submersible I'm asking the 50 year old white guy that was a submariner in the Navy.
Oceangate and the owner guy feel just like a startup I quit from, the guy was just bullshitting all the way and taking advantage of young folk who don't know any better, nearly killed an intern when he was rushing to set up a machine he didn't understand, the intern was telling the owner this isn't a good idea but owner pushed the intern til the machine failed catastrophicly... obviously wasn't the owners fault.
> Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.
Yeesh.
The company said they had a solution for that
> The company claims this technology, developed in-house, uses acoustic sensors to listen for the tell-tale sounds of carbon fibers in the hull deteriorating to provide “early warning detection for the pilot with enough time to arrest the descent and safely return to surface.”
But turns out it probably didn’t help for shit
> Lochridge, however, worried in the lawsuit that the system would not reveal flaws until the vessel was descending, and then might only provide “milliseconds” of warning before a catastrophic implosion.
There's no "solution" for non-destructive testing.... so that wording is another red flag for this company.
They could have got a portable xray kit and done a radiograph on the sub between each trip. I'm betting they didn't want to because that sort of expense would only generate bad news.
So, Stockton Rush, who most like died instantly as the Titan had an explosive decompression, asked this guy to conduct a quality inspection of the Titan, but the inspector was denied the critical information that the viewport couldn't sustain the pressure at the Titanic's depth, and when he found out about it, they fired him? Is that right?
Edit: As some have correctly pointed out (even though the media is using the term also) *explosive decompression* is not the correct term. It would be more accurate to say they **imploded**.
There is such… an unreal attitude displayed by Ocean Gate. Titanic rests at 3800m below sea level which means it’s under an unimaginable amount of pressure - 375 atmospheres. What’s more, like airplanes, it goes through repeated cycles of compression and depressurisation which causes wear and fatigue.
I hope I’m wrong but I feel like the reason the sub can’t be located is that it suffered catastrophic hull collapse and no longer resembles anything like a submarine.
Remind me not to pay a quarter mil for something whose second best case scenario is death by ~~explosive compression~~ rapid energetic extreme corporeal volume reduction.
For 750k they could have had a different outcome. [This](https://caladanoceanic.com/home/technology/) is a custom sub that goes to even greater depth many times over. Unlike the swimming coffin this one is a quality built vehicle. As a matter of fact that British chap was on it not too long ago. [Check this out.](https://youtu.be/8JAkS06m27E) He must have known the difference between a quality built sub and a coffin. Oh well.
Thanks for this, very insightful. The difference between these subs is night and day... wow. In that video his young son mentions it's uncomfortable knowing his dad is in a sub so deep underwater... Fuck man.
My guess is he was itching hard for it. Plus this was the only available window to go see the wreck this year 2023, because of the weather. He (the Brit) knew guys who did this dive and survived. He figured everything will be jolly. Voice behind the camera “It wouldn’t”
Everything about that submarine/operation seems more professional than anything I've seen from this one. Not exactly hindsight speaking either..
Some things were written on the other one in fucking market pen lmao.
An expert on BBC was saying that an implosion of that size would create noise that should easily be picked up by sonar or something, but no such sound was detected.
Doesn't mean that it didn't happen, but there's still a good chance something else went wrong and the sub itself is still in one piece.
He'll join a small list of folks killed by their own inventions and devices. An exclusive club, including the asshole who suggested leading gasoline and paint (made a Jerry rig when he had limited mobility and he hung himself from it on accident) and the guy who invented radium paint (got cancer from playing with the paint too much).
Real fucking winners 🏆
> including the asshole who suggested leading gasoline and paint (made a Jerry rig when he had limited mobility and he hung himself from it on accident)
Same guy who was largely responsible for the use of freon as a refrigerant.
Between leaded gasoline, freon, and his murderous mobility rig, my theory is that he asked a cursed monkey's paw to make him a famous inventor.
His inventions are some of the most impactful inventions ever. The ramifications were immense. I cannot readily think of any other single inventor who’s impacts were as infamous.
Kinda ironic that the inventor of the first submarine and the Titanic are both on this list.
Also there is a video of Franz Reichelt, the first pic in the article, as he leaps from tour eiffel with his homemade parachute. Horrifying to watch, don't recommend.
Would someone smarter than me care to explain what would happen if the structural integrity became compromised at 12,000’ and the people inside were instantly subjected to a massive change in pressure?
They used a part that was only certified for 1300 meters for a 4000 meter dive? Someone should definitely go to prison if this is true.
Edit-I’m aware they have since updated the design, thanks for pointing it out. Firing a guy for calling out inadequate design will draw my side eye every time regardless. Everyone needs “that guy” to keep them grounded no matter how annoying they are.
Well, with the CEO on board the vessel, there really isn't going to be much accountability. You can sue his estate I guess, but unless there is co-owners, or investors out there somewhere, what options do you have?
> Well, with the CEO on board the vessel, there really isn't going to be much accountability.
In a sense that’s the highest possible level of accountability
Ah yes, let's use mostly carbon fiber and a bit of titanium unlike literally every other design in the world, not keep safely testing it, use shitty glued aftermarket transducers in the hull to "test hull integrity in real time", completely ignore safety regulations and refuse to be rated for depth, use a (Edit: Logitech controller) to control ballast and steering at depth, paint the damn thing blue and white making it impossible to see, and let's bolt the hatch shut to make escape even on the surface impossible, what could go wrong!? /s
I follow a travel blogger who did this trip last year. He has a 4 part series on the whole experience on his YouTube channel. It’s in Spanish though.
You can search AlanXelMundo Titanic on YouTube
https://youtu.be/RAncVNaw5N0
Edit: also in this video, they lose communication for a bit. They wait it out, then per protocol, they have to start resurfacing. Just as they are starting to prepare to resurface, they gain communication again and continue their trip to the titanic.
That’s crazy! In the video, the guy mentions that he couldn’t sleep the night before the trip because he knew that if something went wrong, that could be his last day alive.
God, that’s haunting. Best case scenario they’re floating at the surface and are found in time to open the vessel for them. But if it’s not that, it almost seems like it’d be best if the vessel imploded or something.
Sitting there waiting to die sounds like an absolute nightmare. I was just reading that searchers believe that even if they found them on the ocean floor, there’s not much of anything that they could do. Could you imagine realizing you’ve been found, but can’t be helped?
All the Xbox controller and understrength viewport comments (while correct) miss the point:
Their engineering philosophy was shade-tree mechanic at best. They were basically building a space ship, but with no thought at all to redundancy and failsafe operation.
The carbon fiber cabin was coated with Rhino Liner, which is a brand of truck bed liner lmao. Here's the source
https://youtu.be/uD5SUDFE6CA?t=1213
Notice how he smirks when he mentions that.
I would encourage you all to watch this guy's video series about it. Basically, it had a lot of issues from the beginning.
Wait, wait wait wait wait!
[https://youtu.be/uD5SUDFE6CA?t=1445](https://youtu.be/uD5SUDFE6CA?t=1445)
"You're remembered for the rules you break. And i've broken some rules to make this"
"we will have a base underwater... when the sun extinguishes"
😨🤯😱😵🤢🤮
Further proof that billionaires are just extreme risk-takers who, through shear chance, have found themselves on the far end of the survivorship-bias bell curve.
Meanwhile, the USG and other govt.s are spending handsomely to rescue these rich fools (or recover their remains). They'd better recoup the expenses from their estates, and I don't give a damn about how that looks. I'm tired of the wealthiest and most reckless individuals and corporations socializing their risks and costs, while enjoying the privileges of entirely privatized profits and pleasures.
I can't understand the fetishism behind Titanic. But even so, why would you do all that just to see it from a fucking screen, in a tin can without seats.
The more we hear, the more it has become obvious that safety was secondary. Simply adding an emergency beacon would seem to be a no brainer. There seemed to be no “what if” thought went into the design. It was almost as if the only thought was if anything goes wrong “that’s it, we’re gone”.
These shortcuts are why I would never participate in going to space in this generation even if I had the ability to go for free. I'm not up for being some guinea pig so you can figure out how to get tourists to your space spa safely. Can only imagine how many space accidents we are going to have once we start properly trying to have a presence up there!
>At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—**the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters.** Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. **OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.** HOLY SHIT
They gone
Between that and agonizing for 5 days in the bottom of the ocean before they die from thirst or asphyxiation... that's probably the best outcome.
The sub was crushed to the size of a tuna can
It's crazy that a submarine can be crushed but organisms and fish can live down there
It is…but from what I understand the opposite also holds true….it’s hard to bring creatures/fish up from the deep ocean because they turn into blobs since the lower pressure can’t keep them together.
Like that blob fish that everyone turned into a meme. Looks pretty normal under pressurized conditions
yeah, [they're actually quite cute](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blobfish-natural-environment/) **edit** tried a different, non-paywalled link with some other photos.
I wouldn't go that far but yeah
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If you have water inside and outside at the same pressure it's not a problem
Orcas mysteriously quiet.
Serious question. What happens to the human body at that pressure? Do bones explode or does just the soft tissue get blown off?
It’s the opposite everything gets crushed, your lungs collapse and you basically die instantly.
I’m just baffled that anyone thought this was a good idea after everyone told them “Hey this isn’t safe” Employees complained that it wasn’t safe (Red Flag Number 1) They went searching for the titanic which is at the bottom of the ocean (Red Flag 2) the controller was literally an old Nintendo controller (Red Flag Number 3) Like this was full of red flags. And they didn’t think “Hey this seems like a bad idea” It’s literally that “Dumb ways to die” theme song
The Logitech to troller is the least red of flags here, and that’s very unfortunate. I just watched the CBS Sunday Morning segment on this thing, and it’s a fucking death trap. “The crew close the hatch, from the outside, with 17 bolts… there’s no other way out.” That’s such a psychotically unsafe design, it’s unfathomable how anyone would willingly get in the thing. That violates every design practice and safety regulation regarding crew doors in the aircraft and space industries that can be traced back to the Apollo 1 fire in 1967 (an excellent, albeit sad, case study in door operational safety). It’s literally one of the first things I have new engineers study when they work with me.
No way to open it from the inside (like mechanically triggering a charge that blows off the bolts), no lifejackets, no beacon of any kind, and a bullseye that isn't certified for the depth it goes. Even if the sub manages to throw off the ballast and rise to the surface, there is no way to get out, and even if you could get out, there is no way you can stay afloat or be found. Nobody has played a what-if game with this thing. Games controllers are used for a variety of purposes like controlling military drones and tend to be sturdy and easy to use. Sure, a beacon would have been more expensive than the binoculars that would have allowed Frederick Fleet to spot the iceberg earlier on the Titanic's maiden voyage, but it's the same "oh, it'll be OK" attitude.
> Nobody has played a what-if game with this thing. It seems like several people did and they were either ignored or fired. I've worked for idiots like this before. They wanted to do unsafe, stupid shit and I was labeled as "negative".
Not even a Nintendo brand controller IIRC, but an off-brand controller like something your aunt would get you for your birthday and the youngest kid always had to use.
If I paid a non-refundable 50 million dollars for a ticket to anything, and the vessel was controlled by madcatz, I would back out with no regrets.
What if it was the controller with the fans in the handles?
Whatever the metal surrounding them decides to do The bones are powder
I saw the Mythbusters episode where they did the explosive compression of meat man in the old timey metal-top diving suit…turned into a meat milkshake in five seconds flat. And that was at what, three hundred feet? At four thousand, I don’t think they would blink before becoming milkshakes. Edit - fixed it from decompression to compression, brain not working after long workday.
and that’s 4,000 meters, not feet — so that all goes triply so
So like would it just suddenly buckle? Would it not be gradual and obvious to them that the building pressure is not okay? Honest questions from a not smart man Edit: thanks all for the replies folks. Genuinely interesting stuff!
There'd be a lot of cracking and creaking sounds as the composite hull adjusts to pressure, but that's all it it holds up. Failures in externally pressured systems are almost always catastrophic, instant failures. A weak point, be it a section of poorly wetted fabric in the composite, a void in between the layers, a poorly bonded region along a join of two parts, etc. will give and the loss of shape (shape of the vessel does a huge huge huge amount of the work in pressure vessel design) instantly creates much higher stresses in that now deformed region, and it just gets worse from there. That all happens in a few milliseconds. Buckling is the correct term for it. You ever seal your mouth on a bottle and suck the air out as a kid? Remember how easily it crumples? That's one atmosphere of pressure, assuming you managed to create a full vacuum inside (you didn't). At 4000m deep, it's 400 atmospheres of pressure.
Basically a whole mountain exploded into that tin can in a fraction of a second. Waterjet cutters used to cut stone doesn't have this much pressure
So I’m not an expert, but can do some very back of the napkin math. Per the internet, pressure increases linearly by one atmosphere of pressure every 10 meters below the surface you are. So at 4,000 meters deep, you’re at 400 atmospheres. One atmosphere is a little less than 15 psi, so 400 atmospheres times ~15 psi you’re looking at ~6,000 psi at 4,000 meters deep. At that pressure, no, you won’t see it coming. Once there’s a breach or failure of the pressure vessel, it’s all going to collapse in catastrophically in the blink of an eye.
Reddit did the math a few years ago regarding a nuclear sub what went down in the 60s https://www.reddit.com/r/submarines/comments/gy1wc6/comment/fta5zno/ TL;DR The crush event takes a few milliseconds, heating the air in the vessel to over a thousand degrees in as much time.
Things seldom happen gradually when pressures of nearly 400 bar are involved. Most industrial hydraulic presses, the kind that crush cars and compress metal, cap out at around half that.
They likely died in instantly. The window was only rated for a fraction of the pressure experienced at those depths. ~~Explosive~~ implosive compression of the craft.
If they were lucky, yeah. If I were in that situation I would much rather be killed instantaneously than sitting in a minivan at the bottom of the ocean waiting for the oxygen to run out on Thursday.
Not just sitting, but pissing and shitting too
Hey it has a toilet! Sort of
Just open the…
Insta bidet
Paying $250,000 to shit in front of a small group of strangers in the dark is probably some redditor's new fetish.
Fucking Christ dude….what a way to fucking go
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Even if it was on the surface and in one piece it would be very difficult to find it.
They even made sure the outside of the sub was a color that is especially hard to see in a large body of water.
All Russian, American, and other countries Navies generally have DSRV's/submersibles, and all actually certified and depth rated civilian ones internationally are at least painted orange and white among other bright color patterns, and all of them have hatches and docking collars you can ya know, fucking open from the inside if you need on the surface or near it, or have the ability to connect lines to pump air in at the least. Holy shit OceanGate seem to be actual fucking idiots.
They even gave us the name for this scandal as their company name
Writers of this timeline are just lazy at this point.
The CEO was piloting the damned thing himself after cutting all those corners and it was chock full of billionaires who didn't do a much diligence. Seems plenty of hubris to go around.
At least he died with the people his negligent greed murdered.
Christ almighty, you're right. They didn't even paint the fecking thing Orange. Mindless.
What I read into current news about this is that the searchers have little hope of finding it and no plan was in place at all, by the business, to help rescue the craft whether it be hooked on a pool table at -4000mts or bobbing just under the surface of the ocean. Like none. Like this: "so what happens if there is communication failure and the craft is sent back up to the surface?" "Oh well, we wouldn't be able to see it anyway and it would surface anwhere up 5km from where it was last guessed to be so, yaknow ... we're relying on it to just work" "Oh, I see. What about if it snags on something down there?" "No, well there's nothing we can do about that anyway" "But if it floats up to the surface they are ok, right?" "No, they are dead anyway. They are bolted in from the outside. They can't get out and the thing is pretty airtight .. yaknow .. *obviously* ..."
Yeah, the hatch is the scariest part of this fucking death trap…. Closed in from the outside with 17 bolts. You could have a successful dive, surface, not be found by the diving company, and still die of oxygen deprivation floating on the surface because of the unsafe dogshit design.
That's the point where I'm out. You're bolting it shut. From the *outside*. Nope. I don't need to see fish that badly. I'll just watch some old Jacque Cousteau videos.
*slaps the hood of the sub* Man, you can fit SO many critical and catastrophic defects in this baby.
I mean--what a dumbass vehicle, and dumbass excursion. Potentially "imploding" at 2+ miles deep would be the absolute height of the excursion's worth to humanity, provided we can find and study the sub.
Yep, another one is they where not required to do representation tests. So just like the old comet jets they had no real way of knowing how many times the hull could handle pressurizing and depressurization. Not to mention the viewport wasn’t even rated for the depth they where going.
Yeah that's the worst part, they could surface and still die
Yep. Every sub is designed with some mechanism so that if all means of propulsion/control fail, they can still take some action (e.g. drop ballast, emergency blow of the ballast tanks) to reach the surface. The idea being that once the sub is able to reach the surface the crew can then escape out of the sub (to the relative safety of the open ocean where hopefully they can be found/rescued.) This sub seems unique in that even if it was able to reach the surface in an emergency, the crew would be trapped inside with a dwindling supply of oxygen and no emergency transponder or anything to signal potential rescue vessels of its location. No rational person would enter such a vessel.
And it's not even painted a color that would make it easier to find at the surface. At least choose something like fluorescent yellow-green, fluorescent orange, or red instead of white.
Yes! WHY IS IT PAINTED WHITE. They literally designed it as a death trap from the ground up, including the colour. Why not give it a SHOT to be found if it’s on or near the surface by making it orange or red? Also the fact that there is no way out from the inside, or even a way to puncture the window to allow oxygen in if the are surfaced. They designed this thing like they wanted people to die in it.
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There’s got to be some kind of formula or equation for estimating the likelihood of dying a stupid death being directly proportionate to how much money one has. Something like: $$$ = ☠️ Only, you know, smart.
"Michael Rockefeller Sets Sail, Bound For Adventure" "Michael Rockefeller's death in New Guinea in 1961 was initially ruled a drowning — but some believe he was actually eaten by cannibals." https://allthatsinteresting.com/michael-rockefeller
I never bought that he survived a 12 mile swim. All of the accounts from the people who just happened to hear them telling the story seem far too convenient.
Should have got James Cameron to take them.
It's pretty mad he did a trip like 3 times deeper, absolutely ages ago, and survived to tell the tale. Also was doing voice calls while down there, when this thing could only text..
Cameron's sub was much more rigorously tested than this janky piece of shit that Oceangate launched.
> Cameron's sub "The submersible features a pilot sphere measuring 1.1 metres (43 in) in diameter, large enough for only one occupant." That doesn't sound like a fun way to spend 8 hours. OTOH, a small sphere is more likely to survive the crushing pressure at depth. When given the choice of discomfort for some hours or being crushed to death, I'll take the discomfort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger
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Stockton Rush, the CEO and designer, was *also* on this boat so...
They've done a few dives with it where nobody died, so he probably convinced himself it was safe. Success bias type of thing.
that's the thing with metal fatigue and microfractures. Things will hold until they don't
In a news bit on the piece you can see everything that could have been done cheaply, was done cheaply. If I was asked to get into this, I would not, even if the offer was for a free ride. He clearly had some inventors spirit, and a lot of this thing seemed pretty slapped together. To be fair it did survive for a while, but a while is not enough when human lives are on the line every time.
There was a bilionaire on this shitty sub aswell.
And they trusted a company that valued the money they got from cutting cost than their safety
The guy who hooked James Cameron up with the crew of the Russian-owned submersibles who was involved in making the 1992 Imax documentary *Titanica*: >On his second expedition to the Titanic, [Joe] MacInnis and the crew briefly found themselves stuck on part of the wreck. A second sub was sent to investigate and between the two figure out a way to gently jiggle the craft free. On that same trip, the crew lost radio contact after the sub went behind the Titanic’s propellers to film footage for the documentary. Even if OceanGate was correct in their engineering assessments of the hull and viewport, it really makes you think how necessary it is to have a second craft available there if you get hung up in what could be shifting parts of the wreckage.
To be fairei thought Blue Origin would get there first.
That’s extreme negligence. Like “liquidate the company to pay for the lawsuits” tier negligence.
Gonna be hard to serve those papers to the company owner
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So I just clicked on your profile, eager to read everything you had to say about this. First and foremost, prayers for a miracle - that they actually are floating on the surface somewhere (one can hope?) Secondly - thank you for sharing your experiences. Finally, this comment of yours was awfully prophetic. Unfortunately, it appears thousands of red flags were ignored: r/todayilearned - (104 days ago!) TIL For $250k you can visit the wreck of the Titanic: “I worked for Oceangate for six months, and it was by far the worst work experience I ever had. I'm amazed they haven’t gone bankrupt or lost a sub.”
There may as well have been an iceberg and a cold, foggy night out there.
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Tested doesn't mean they stopped using the view port rated for 1300m.
So we use viewports like this a lot at my work. We do a ton of calculations on them, and test them ourselves, and have a PE review and signoff on the design. All by the book. But PVHO and ABS, the two major authorities for hyperbaric and atmospheric manned subsea equipment, will not certify equipment past a certain point. You have to do it yourself. We test these viewports for hundreds of hours over many cycles to 1.5x it's maximum operating pressure. We've never had one fail, but we've also never had one certified.
And the company's name is "OceanGate"? They're making it too easy.
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If a ladder says it can hold 275 lbs. I’d be ok going up to 300. When going to the bottom of the ocean I’d be a little more strict.
Yes, and also that's only a 9% increase. In this case, it's a 207% increase so that would be like a 300lbs person climbing a ladder rated for 145lbs.
I wonder if the submersible had external pingers they could use to locate it, similar to spaceship landing capsules or airplane flight recorders. Sadly, it seems not to be the case, as no one is writing about it.
There's a guy on twitter who's a journalist who apparently has been in the sub now lost, when he was covering the story apparently the sub got lost for "about 5 hours". He was on the boat at the time not in the sub however , according to him, they allegedly***talked about the fact that some type of pinger or gps tag might be a good idea***......because it didn't have one....which is why it was lost for 5hours during that trip. Ffs . .you couldn't write this shit. What a completely preventable tragedy in literally every single way
Wow. They literally repeated the Titanic's mistake of not preparing for the worst, thinking it won't happen to them (even after an earlier incident). I guess hubris is incurable.
Their promo video has customers - pardon me, “specialists” - stressing that they felt safe because it *never* loses comms. All these rich people happy to shell out hundreds of thousands but not spare the five minutes it takes to google the company’s track record.
You can buy a decent ROV grade sonar that will work at that depth for around $20k too which makes it even worse.
But the CEO said the safety regulations for submersibles like his were "obscene"! Are you telling me that the free market actually needs regulation and trusting corporations to do the right thing just leads to death and suffering?
So more than 3x the pressure it’s rated for did anyone hear a cracking noise?
That far down I thonk all you hear is a whump as you and the sub are turned into a nickle with organs inside
That’s basically it right? One breach and you’re crushed in like two seconds?
Instantaneous implosion, you wouldn't even know. Like a reverse Byford Dolphin.
I found this to be interesting. The air temperature would increase to levels of a diesel engine compression stroke. https://youtu.be/C1VKotduWek
You're crushed before your brain has time to realize it's being crushed
When that's the good news you know things are pretty bad.
So fast the air inside essentially explodes into flame first
Faster.
https://youtu.be/-rQBVbmwSbI I don't like Piers Morgan but this interview was haunting. It has a guy who was involved in another exhibition down to the wreck and their sub got stuck. You can see just the utter fear he still has about it
Wow. That reporters reaction. Serious stuff they're doing in terms of it being dangerous. Which makes me more furious that the CEO was so dismissive about safety and joking about the substandard equipment they were using. Its all fun in games until its not.
Powerful interviews. Thanks for sharing this.
Recommended read: The Dive.
If the sub is still intact, which is highly unlikely at this point, it won’t really matter whether it’s on the bottom of the ocean or floating on the surface. Even if the crew did manage to resurface, the door can only be opened from the outside, and the geniuses at OceanGate decided to paint the sub *white.* So no matter where they are, they’ll probably run out of oxygen before anyone can find them.
I imagine white to be slightly better then dark blue/black but surely dayglow orange or yellow would make it somewhat easier. White I'm guessing just mixes in with the breaking waves.
Plus if it's yellow you get to sing a little song.
*we all died on a yellow submarine* hmm, doesn’t have the safe effect
James Cameron made his submersible in Kawasaki Green. Much easier to find in the ocean. Also HIGHLY recommend watching his journey to the Mariana Trench. They explain the built, tests, and dives. He went MUCH MUCH deeper but the systems he had onboard was night and day compared to Ocean Gate Free video here https://youtu.be/ZZD_nbS1_II
In February, a couple in Florida sued Mr. Rush, saying that his company refused to refund them the $105,000 that they each paid to visit the Titanic on the Titan in 2018. The trip was postponed several times, according to the suit, in part because the company said it needed to run more tests on the Titan. The couple claimed that Mr. Rush reneged on his promise of giving them a refund and that the company instead demanded that they participate in a July 2021 voyage to the wreckage. The lawsuit is pending and Mr. Rush has not responded to it. Court records do not list a lawyer representing him in that case. Mr. Concannon invited the federal judge who was hearing the case, Rebecca Beach Smith, to join the company for an expedition, according to a separate filing, something the judge seemed interested in doing. “Perhaps, if another expedition occurs in the future, I will be able to do so,” the judge wrote in May, adding that after many years of hearing cases about the Titanic wreckage, “that opportunity would be quite informative and present a first ‘eyes on’ view of the wreck site by the Court.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html Wouldn't a federal judge accepting a free trip from a billionaire who has a matter before the court be against the law?
That's probably why she said "perhaps in the future"
As a sub sailor, a quick implosion by the pressure from that depth would be how I'd want to go. It's quick. No thanks to sitting around suffocating. Should have listened to the manufacturer and heeded the sub safe requirements. They exist for a reason.
Let's not forget that Stockton said something along the lines of he didn't hire submarine experts because they're mostly retired Navy submariners that are 50 year old white men, and that he wanted to hire younger people to inspire the next generation..... I'm sorry but if I had to choose someone to design/ help find flaws with a deep underwater submersible I'm asking the 50 year old white guy that was a submariner in the Navy.
I bet those “young people” also cost a lot less and are more willing to drink the Kool Aid.
Oceangate and the owner guy feel just like a startup I quit from, the guy was just bullshitting all the way and taking advantage of young folk who don't know any better, nearly killed an intern when he was rushing to set up a machine he didn't understand, the intern was telling the owner this isn't a good idea but owner pushed the intern til the machine failed catastrophicly... obviously wasn't the owners fault.
> Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew. Yeesh.
The company said they had a solution for that > The company claims this technology, developed in-house, uses acoustic sensors to listen for the tell-tale sounds of carbon fibers in the hull deteriorating to provide “early warning detection for the pilot with enough time to arrest the descent and safely return to surface.” But turns out it probably didn’t help for shit > Lochridge, however, worried in the lawsuit that the system would not reveal flaws until the vessel was descending, and then might only provide “milliseconds” of warning before a catastrophic implosion.
There's no "solution" for non-destructive testing.... so that wording is another red flag for this company. They could have got a portable xray kit and done a radiograph on the sub between each trip. I'm betting they didn't want to because that sort of expense would only generate bad news.
Just reading the first paragraph i was thinking wtf by the time it starts deteriorating you're fucked. Is it even a warning system at that point.
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So, Stockton Rush, who most like died instantly as the Titan had an explosive decompression, asked this guy to conduct a quality inspection of the Titan, but the inspector was denied the critical information that the viewport couldn't sustain the pressure at the Titanic's depth, and when he found out about it, they fired him? Is that right? Edit: As some have correctly pointed out (even though the media is using the term also) *explosive decompression* is not the correct term. It would be more accurate to say they **imploded**.
There is such… an unreal attitude displayed by Ocean Gate. Titanic rests at 3800m below sea level which means it’s under an unimaginable amount of pressure - 375 atmospheres. What’s more, like airplanes, it goes through repeated cycles of compression and depressurisation which causes wear and fatigue. I hope I’m wrong but I feel like the reason the sub can’t be located is that it suffered catastrophic hull collapse and no longer resembles anything like a submarine.
Apart from being saved this is the best case scenario for passengers.
Remind me not to pay a quarter mil for something whose second best case scenario is death by ~~explosive compression~~ rapid energetic extreme corporeal volume reduction.
For 750k they could have had a different outcome. [This](https://caladanoceanic.com/home/technology/) is a custom sub that goes to even greater depth many times over. Unlike the swimming coffin this one is a quality built vehicle. As a matter of fact that British chap was on it not too long ago. [Check this out.](https://youtu.be/8JAkS06m27E) He must have known the difference between a quality built sub and a coffin. Oh well.
Thanks for this, very insightful. The difference between these subs is night and day... wow. In that video his young son mentions it's uncomfortable knowing his dad is in a sub so deep underwater... Fuck man.
Yes indeed
Hes not the step kid at the blink concert is he
why the hell did he opt for the wish.com version this time then? he supposedly is a billionaire so it can't be about the money?
My guess is he was itching hard for it. Plus this was the only available window to go see the wreck this year 2023, because of the weather. He (the Brit) knew guys who did this dive and survived. He figured everything will be jolly. Voice behind the camera “It wouldn’t”
Everything about that submarine/operation seems more professional than anything I've seen from this one. Not exactly hindsight speaking either.. Some things were written on the other one in fucking market pen lmao.
An expert on BBC was saying that an implosion of that size would create noise that should easily be picked up by sonar or something, but no such sound was detected. Doesn't mean that it didn't happen, but there's still a good chance something else went wrong and the sub itself is still in one piece.
Pretty good point actually. I guess the question is, was anyone listening (normally someone is) and was it loud enough to hear?
That would appear to be the case, which I feel like makes any signed waivers null and void.
Whistle-blowers need to keep whistle blowing. We need to take care of each other and fight the faces of greed.
It sounds like the faces of greed were most likely effectively fought by physics in this case.
This story just keeps getting worse. At least the guy responsible for this horrific shit show was on the sub.
He'll join a small list of folks killed by their own inventions and devices. An exclusive club, including the asshole who suggested leading gasoline and paint (made a Jerry rig when he had limited mobility and he hung himself from it on accident) and the guy who invented radium paint (got cancer from playing with the paint too much). Real fucking winners 🏆
> including the asshole who suggested leading gasoline and paint (made a Jerry rig when he had limited mobility and he hung himself from it on accident) Same guy who was largely responsible for the use of freon as a refrigerant. Between leaded gasoline, freon, and his murderous mobility rig, my theory is that he asked a cursed monkey's paw to make him a famous inventor.
His inventions are some of the most impactful inventions ever. The ramifications were immense. I cannot readily think of any other single inventor who’s impacts were as infamous.
He's considered to be the single most environmentally destructive organism to have ever lived.
Consider that he's in competition with Alfred Nobel, Fritz Haber and J. Robert Oppenheimer. And yet he still is most likely the winner here!
At least Oppenheimer and Nobel were aware of the gravity of what they did, and Nobel at least tried to atone for it.
Fritz Haber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_their_own_invention You can help by expanding this list!
Kinda ironic that the inventor of the first submarine and the Titanic are both on this list. Also there is a video of Franz Reichelt, the first pic in the article, as he leaps from tour eiffel with his homemade parachute. Horrifying to watch, don't recommend.
Titanic claims a few more very rich passengers
111 years later it’s still taking lives.
She's a harsh but fair maiden of the sea.
And naming it “Titan.” Could have seen that coming.
And naming the company the same name they’ll use to describe the scandal was a bit on the nose as well. OceanGate.
OceanGate Gate?
Would someone smarter than me care to explain what would happen if the structural integrity became compromised at 12,000’ and the people inside were instantly subjected to a massive change in pressure?
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That sounds like such a comfort given the circumstances
Lots of replies below do a great job, but generally you'd stop being biology and start being physics. Quickly
You know how your brain stem is about a meter or so away from your anus? Imagine that distance reducing to 0 in about a tenth of a second.
They used a part that was only certified for 1300 meters for a 4000 meter dive? Someone should definitely go to prison if this is true. Edit-I’m aware they have since updated the design, thanks for pointing it out. Firing a guy for calling out inadequate design will draw my side eye every time regardless. Everyone needs “that guy” to keep them grounded no matter how annoying they are.
He's in a watery grave instead of prison.
From the looks of it, that person died in his own death trap.
"Greed will imprison us all." - Steven Reign, Rush Hour 2
"DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH!?" - Chris Tucker, Rush Hour
Well, with the CEO on board the vessel, there really isn't going to be much accountability. You can sue his estate I guess, but unless there is co-owners, or investors out there somewhere, what options do you have?
> Well, with the CEO on board the vessel, there really isn't going to be much accountability. In a sense that’s the highest possible level of accountability
Ah yes, let's use mostly carbon fiber and a bit of titanium unlike literally every other design in the world, not keep safely testing it, use shitty glued aftermarket transducers in the hull to "test hull integrity in real time", completely ignore safety regulations and refuse to be rated for depth, use a (Edit: Logitech controller) to control ballast and steering at depth, paint the damn thing blue and white making it impossible to see, and let's bolt the hatch shut to make escape even on the surface impossible, what could go wrong!? /s
I follow a travel blogger who did this trip last year. He has a 4 part series on the whole experience on his YouTube channel. It’s in Spanish though. You can search AlanXelMundo Titanic on YouTube
https://youtu.be/RAncVNaw5N0 Edit: also in this video, they lose communication for a bit. They wait it out, then per protocol, they have to start resurfacing. Just as they are starting to prepare to resurface, they gain communication again and continue their trip to the titanic.
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I visited it yesterday in Las Vegas. Hundreds of artifacts including a massive piece of the hull https://imgur.com/a/PnZlz1Q
Would you say Las Vegas is safer than diving down 4kms to the Titanic? Asking for a friend.
Omg I couldn’t imagine being trapped in that thing. If they’re still alive, just sitting in there waiting for a miracle, I feel so awful for them.
That’s crazy! In the video, the guy mentions that he couldn’t sleep the night before the trip because he knew that if something went wrong, that could be his last day alive.
God, that’s haunting. Best case scenario they’re floating at the surface and are found in time to open the vessel for them. But if it’s not that, it almost seems like it’d be best if the vessel imploded or something. Sitting there waiting to die sounds like an absolute nightmare. I was just reading that searchers believe that even if they found them on the ocean floor, there’s not much of anything that they could do. Could you imagine realizing you’ve been found, but can’t be helped?
This is a great reminder that CEOs aren’t smarter than everyone else, they’re just more pathological
All the Xbox controller and understrength viewport comments (while correct) miss the point: Their engineering philosophy was shade-tree mechanic at best. They were basically building a space ship, but with no thought at all to redundancy and failsafe operation.
"Professor how many atmospheres of pressure can the ship handle??" "Well it's a space ship so anywhere from 0 to 1."
I don't see the problem with using an X-Box controller. They work! But yes, this company really just did not consider safety. It is just arrogant.
$250,000 is an obscene amount of money to pay for such a dark and claustrophobic experience.
The carbon fiber cabin was coated with Rhino Liner, which is a brand of truck bed liner lmao. Here's the source https://youtu.be/uD5SUDFE6CA?t=1213 Notice how he smirks when he mentions that. I would encourage you all to watch this guy's video series about it. Basically, it had a lot of issues from the beginning.
Wait, wait wait wait wait! [https://youtu.be/uD5SUDFE6CA?t=1445](https://youtu.be/uD5SUDFE6CA?t=1445) "You're remembered for the rules you break. And i've broken some rules to make this" "we will have a base underwater... when the sun extinguishes" 😨🤯😱😵🤢🤮
Further proof that billionaires are just extreme risk-takers who, through shear chance, have found themselves on the far end of the survivorship-bias bell curve.
Or were born into money and they are so bored of having everything that can only feel anything by risking their lives.
If you don't have a rich daddy and you are an "extreme risk taker" you just end up on the pipes at the streets.
Meanwhile, the USG and other govt.s are spending handsomely to rescue these rich fools (or recover their remains). They'd better recoup the expenses from their estates, and I don't give a damn about how that looks. I'm tired of the wealthiest and most reckless individuals and corporations socializing their risks and costs, while enjoying the privileges of entirely privatized profits and pleasures.
At least explosive decompression is instantaneous.
I'd gladly choose that over suffocating to death in a tin can with 4 other people over the course of 5 days.
I dunno about gladly, but I'd definitely make the same choice
Explosive decompression is when you go from high pressure to low. This is implosion.
I can't understand the fetishism behind Titanic. But even so, why would you do all that just to see it from a fucking screen, in a tin can without seats.
They don't. Folks do it to see it from a tiny fucking porthole. (Yes, the sub has exterior lights.) I don't get it, either.
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> One is the hubris of the entire thing. You're in luck because now there's another testament to hubris 4000m down in the Atlantic.
But _smaller_, and in a form factor that will make people wonder “hey, what’s that crumpled thing over there” in a hundred years.
The more we hear, the more it has become obvious that safety was secondary. Simply adding an emergency beacon would seem to be a no brainer. There seemed to be no “what if” thought went into the design. It was almost as if the only thought was if anything goes wrong “that’s it, we’re gone”.
They're definitely all dead.
This story just keeps getting uglier and uglier
These shortcuts are why I would never participate in going to space in this generation even if I had the ability to go for free. I'm not up for being some guinea pig so you can figure out how to get tourists to your space spa safely. Can only imagine how many space accidents we are going to have once we start properly trying to have a presence up there!