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HarlodsGazebo

God, just think of all the hearthing a human shaman could do. Always hearthing, never not hearthing. 


Choppanob

Human Shaman Engineer, all over the place.


Tylertarian

No one character should have all that POWER.


-Z___

They'd be like Goku spamming Instant Transmission! One moment they're in front of you, the next moment they're on some tiny planet farming monkeys and crickets!


Dinkypig

Until an engineering wormhole backfires and they end up dead like Krillin kekw


S1eeper

Dark Iron Dwarf Mage Engineer says hi...


Geminilasers

Yo where dat shaman go? There he is! No wait…


Knowvember42

That's why they have heroism. To astral recall faster.


ZugZug_orc

Bloodlust you mean?


Marem-Bzh

Username checks out, lol


Knowvember42

Humans aren't cool enough to bloodlust.


umaros

Maybe they just want a meaningful relationship with blood instead.


wallzballz89

Speaking of shaman, where are the meaningful class/spec changes in alpha? I lose more and more hope with every week and alpha build that passes. Hero talents are nice, I guess, but we need to fix the core class and specs (primarily resto and ele) before adding more shit.


Kulyor

You are a shaman main, you should know your class is last to get changes made by people who never even considered playing one. :P


Dinkypig

Shaman class fantasy is having class changes... except that is a fantasy that will never happen lol


SaxRohmer

as an enhancement main i hope we go unnoticed most patches because when we it usually means nerfs


Guysmiley777

Shaman? Class/spec? Mmmmm buddy I'm pretty sure shaman isn't a playable class in WoW. You must be confused. --Blizz


Shiva-

Homeboy, you play a shaman, why do you expect this year to be any different from last year or any of the last 10 years?


jerichardson

Remember when there was an expansion that was supposed to center on shaman, but it became about Druid/Paladin


GoofyGoober0064

You mean every expansion?


e7RdkjQVzw

No that's Mage


Entwinedmidget

“Shaman- we’ve realized that this class has been without defensives. We have changed where you can reincarnate faster, harder, stronger, and even less while in PVP.” - some Bluzzard dev probably


deadlyweapon00

There have been no meaningful changes yet.


cyberelvis

E'ery day I'm Hearthin'


Lostpop

My only human character is a MAGE


Veidici

That's why you set your hearth to the main camp for the content you want to do - like Loam or Emerald Dream this xpac, and then you can go EVERYWHERE fast.


Daemonbane1

Exactly, my hearth is always set to the current questing area hub, because everywhere else tends to be easily accessible. Kinda the same as how waterbreathing is basically useless most of the time since, if you need it, a quest giver gives it to you anyway.


Devee

Even non-mages should be doing this sometimes. With Dalaran hearth, cloak to go back to Org, Kirin Tor ring to Dalaran, Jaina's Locket (just off the top of my head), you can have plenty of ways to get back to major cities.


centurijon

Yep! Volpera and Dark Iron engineer mages are the real “get anywhere fast” champions


g3n0unknown

rip


Cysia

Handy when NEED to be at some specefic location not close to any major city /port. Not sure which id be, but im sure will come up like once maybe ever


samtdzn_pokemon

My mage still has my HS set to the covenant sanctum. It changes with you swapping covenant in Oribos and skips the need to fly from the hub out to the sanctum. Haven't found a better use, havent had anything to farm that I want to camp close to.


Justindman1

Mine is still set to the docks in Zandalar because screw taking that flight path down every time... God Alliance had is so much better.


Futuredanish

They changed the city portal location to docks. So now the tech is to mage portal to Orgrimmar and then hit the city portal to Zandalar. Boom right at the docks.


Happyberger

Paku totems are quite a bit faster than the fp


itisntme2

Just be glad you didn't have to do the Alliance version of Siege of Boralus.


Fleedjitsu

So Humans get another powerful PvP racial allowing their Ret Paladins to bubble-hearth twice as effectively!


Bananern

Anotha day anotha Ret W 😎


Veredyn1

I love this comment so much.


Cntrl_shftr

Every Hearth for Himself


JollyGentile

Proof that Blizz hates the Horde!


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JollyGentile

See there we go. Pretty much anything can be made into "x is Blizz's favorite"


BOklahoma

Brilliant!


Leysenk

Vulperas: "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power"


ScavAteMyArms

Vulpera Mage.   Unlimited Port works.


nemissatan

That's nothing compared to the glory of being a Dark Iron engineer mage. I can be anywhere I want.


-Z___

Dark Irons are highly underrated as Transmog Farmers. Most of the Mole Machine locations are near very out-of-the-way Raids like Tempest Keep and Ulduar. And then DI's get an extra 5% speed bonus indoors. If only DI looked better in Transmog, and if only their DPS Racial wasn't also their Defensive Racial (which creates conflicts where you want to use Fireblood on pull for damage, but then won't have it to clear the nasty Debuffs, so it's either never available when you need it, or you waste uses of it by waiting for Debuffs to cleanse.).


BretOne

Bonus round, you want to use it for DPS but can't because you have a debuff that will kill the raid if dispelled at the wrong time (Ner'zhul / Sarkaret / Tindral...).


LeClassyGent

Dwarves look incredible in armour, what are you on about? The beard/helmet thing is a problem but otherwise they are quite well proportioned.


BigUptokes

>*I can be anywhere I want.* Except for theme park attractions that say: *"Must be this tall to ride ------>"*


Belucard

Teleporting Midget Gang represent.


Lexinoz

Got any wormhole tho? Even more teleporting!


Always4564

I am whelmed.


turnipofficer

Yeah like… I know it’s meant to be a passive racial but it would be more interesting if there was the capability to set multiple hearthstone locations for humans, might overlap with teleport a bit but most hearthstones are in inns so call it pub crawl lol.


TygettLannister

that sounds like it would be better as a Kul Tiran racial hahaha


Ok-Boot-8830

I think they should rename it to “Home is where the hearth is” and let humans set 2 hearth locations.


GuyKopski

Problem is that's already the vulpera racial. Actually a little worse than the vulpera racial since that one can go anywhere and not just to innkeepers.


Ok-Boot-8830

It has a similar function but a different flavor. And a huge bonus of not having to play a Vulpera!


weirdbowelmovement

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josephjts

I guess its better then "you move faster while dead" but at least wisp form is lore accurate and has some flavor.


Geminilasers

Wisp form should be dragon riding levels of fast now.


510Threaded

I think there was a cata guild perk that made all ghost runs like 100% faster


FugitivePlatypus

The quick and the dead, and it's amazing


altreynas

I would pay more than I have access to, for this to be a thing. Absolutely


TheRealKhorrn

Sooo... like 10 €?


altreynas

… yeah, pretty much. 😂


Frequent-Ad678

Aren’t you on a flying mount for most of the newer zones since legion I think?


Kynandra

What situation would this ever be useful?


Karamaru_Crow

Wow this is worthless


PsychoRavnos

Soo if they changed Diplomacy for humans when ate they gonna change the archeology racial for dwarves?


warconz

Yeah... kinda weird how they're just ignoring the fact that dwarves have had a bonus to something that gives account wide rewards for forever.


DirectorSchlector

Jesus fucking Christ, I find you and punch you when you bring blizz to erase this racial, just startet farming arch but have to stop for mop remix. It is insane how much more variable archeology is with this bonus and I don't ever want to miss it.


Gamer_Obama

Wish it was something else that's handy. We already have so many hearthstones (Hearthstone, Dalaran Hearthstone, Garrison Hearthstone) and that's without even mentioning other teleportation items like the Tol Barad tabard or the guild cloak. So, unfortunately this isn't all that useful to me.


davedwtho

It would be useful for my dumb ass who hearths to Valdrakken then takes a portal to the wrong raid or dungeon


BeHereNow91

Yeah, wondering who is gonna need to hearth every 5 minutes. I barely hearth as it is with dragon riding.


Sayurisaki

It’s not every 5 minutes, it’s reduced by 5 minutes.


BeHereNow91

Current CD is 15 mins. They’re reducing it by 5 minutes and adding an extra charge. So 2 charges with 10 min CDs.


elevensbowtie

Cool down is only 15 minutes if you’re in a guild. Normally it’s 30 minutes.


GearyDigit

There's no reason not to be in a guild.


elevensbowtie

Doesn’t change anything about the cooldowns, though.


rainghost

Even at low levels, *even* before flying mounts, I don't need to hearth every 5 minutes. The way quest hubs work, you don't ever really need to hearth back to town over and over and over again after doing only one or two quests each time. Straining my brain to think of *any* situations where the current 15 minutes (with the guild perk) isn't enough...I guess it'll be useful if you hearth to town and do your business and leave but then realize you forgot something back there. And I guess it'll be useful for people playing the Starter Edition who can't join a guild. Or people who don't want to be in any guild for whatever reason. I think a more interesting racial would be one that speeds up flight paths to near-dragonriding speeds. Or allows you to instantly teleport to the destination FP once an hour or something. Call it 'gryphon training' or something for a little more flavor and tie it in to human lore.


cabose12

Yup, feels like conflicting values. Hearth toys, guild hearth reduction, and dragonflying all make this racial basically useless Even if it's also not creative, something like a second hearthstone would be at least useful


MrVeilen

Should just make this a boot enchant (for the obvious reason) and go back to the drawing board for the racial.


LegalMastodon1340

lol it is pretty lame and just kind of over the top. I already don’t use my hearthstone every 15 minutes, why would I need one every 5 minutes?


iQuatro

lol this is trash and incredibly uncreative. This 4:55pm on a friday kinda shit.


DrakonILD

Yeah, but at least I'm hearthing at 4:55 while y'all suckers have to wait for 5:00.


Tubaerius

actually made me laugh


gotee

This is about how I feel. They need more racial identity across the board.


Reckfulhater

It aint got no gas’


No_Coyote_2124

LOL! Definitely looks like their original racial got canned last minute and this is the only thing they could get approved


RheaRaisin

Genuinely though, this is just the side racial that every race gets, it's not comparable to Shadowmeld or any DPS/Utility racials, this is like the Nightborne mailbox. Balance issues aside with all of those, this is just a passive.


SHIMOxxKUMA

To be fair it’s replacing a racial that’s just a passive. The rep bonus before was handy but it didn’t give you any combat advantage for damage or utility.


RheaRaisin

That's what I was saying, the Rep bonus went from a fairly good passive to somewhat overpowered with the addition of Account-Wide reps, and now it's being brought back in line with the utility and fun minor passives that other races have.


Cow_God

Well, it was kind of always an overpowered passive. 10% more rep meant you hit revered / exalted with factions days if not a week before everyone else. Which back when factions had gear, and rep was not always grindable outside of dailies, it made for a very strong passive, especially after Humans got Every Man for Himself


warconz

> exalted with factions days if not a week before everyone else. When did that EVER happen?


Shargaz

Just give humans a second hearth for an alternative location? Or a personal port to their faction mage tower? Or heck, for something more zany, let them go into Horde capitals without flagging (I mean if Turalyon did it…).


wigsgo_2019

Or just not remove diplomacy because nobody complained about it anyway


crazymonkey202

Who the heck even needs to Hearthstone that often?


powerinthebeard

Feels like a pretty big loss


Waste-Nerve-7244

I hope that shit is a joke. :/


littlefoot78

the jokes on us


buffydaslaya

It's like they didn't even try.


Zadiuz

Honestly though, they really need to get away from racials providing any bonuses in combat, and move towards things like this. Purely cosmetic or qol features.


Zaziel

The Vulpera camping racial is super nice to get to raid on time without a summon.


WidePeepoPogChamp

Just be a tank or healer a summon wil always be available


Zaziel

I do both, but I still fly, I’m not a diva lol


DSjaha

Diplomacy in combat? You mean talk no jutsu?


Heflay

„Hey buddy who hurt you? Let’s drink a beer and talk about your anger“


Zadiuz

Obviously this isn't the best example of things to swap, but its the mindset.


CrimsonScion

Multiple world first kills on bosses were the result of abusing combat racials (old Arcane Torrent during Lei Shen, Goblin rockets for Kil'jaeden, Voodoo Shuffle for Jaina Proudmoore, etc). The same goes for Mythic +.We still see a lot of Night Elves taking advantage of Shadow Meld and both Dwarf racials are still bonkers (especially during SL if you were a Kyrian DK during a Necrotic Week). They need to bring the op racials in line or just remove combat-oriented racials altogether.


San4311

Ah yes, lets keep adjusting the game for the 0,001% that play competitively just so it becomes as boringly bland as possible for everyone. Because thats totally not what all end-game players have been complaining about, that Blizz cater too much to the 1%.


EriWave

> Ah yes, lets keep adjusting the game for the 0,001% that play competitively just so it becomes as boringly bland as possible for everyone. You don't need to be the 0,001% for stone form to be very strong. Just do a dungeon hard enough to have bursting.


MapleBabadook

This is absolutely useless. They should change it to allowing a second hearth location, now that would be nice.


PineappleDazzling290

Think I'd rather keep diplomacy tbh. Who needs to hearth that much?


Hottage

Lmao they may as well just not given us a replacement. I can't think of any time in the last 10 years I've thought "damn this 15 min hearthstone cool down is too long!". Especially with dynamic flight and multiple alternate hearthstone already.


Equivalent_Bar_5938

To all the mages out there fuck you


magewinter

as a human mage, mood


Im-always-right-69

Faster rep! Gonna miss You! 😢


fiv66bV2

vulperas but worse and without the extra bag space


DaddyBurton

Are these Devs smoking crack? Obviously this needs to be assigned to the Gnomes.


Retro1989

That is awful.


DeLaMoncha

Well that feels nearly useless


Surviving365

complete joke. hoping they change it before it goes live


Kharilan

Look how they massacred my boy


[deleted]

It’s truly disgusting how much favoritism the devs show towards some races. It’s so weird… like why are tauren allowed to have 300 good racials. war stomp, big crit damage, ridiculous HP bonus, then you have races like Draenei and worgen that literally do not have racials.


SNES_chalmers47

The concensus: Blizzard, try again


Hollaboy720

Lame, should be called “Home away from Home” , giving you another hearthstone set option and allow you to choose where to hearth in addition to the 2 charges.


WhoopsM

Went from great to garbage.


Taladran

Wow that's really bad.


Lopsided_Pickle1795

YAY! Good change! NOT!


n1i2e3

Surprised not to see the "whoa this is useless" meme.


Undefined_definition

Thats a letdown somehow


Sensitive_Cup4015

That's the rep racial it's replacing right? Why are they dumpstering it? That racial was hella useful for getting some grinds done that much quicker, made my grind for all the allied races when they come out that much easier.


Grenyn

Super disappointing racial. I didn't need something as good as Diplomacy in return, but I needed something better than this. We have so many teleports in the game that this really just blows. You can have 3 guild cloaks that take you back to your capital, with their own cooldowns of 2, 4, and 8 hours. Then you have the Brawler's Guild ring. Then you have level 3 garrison portal tower to Ashran > capital. If you finish your shipyard, Admiral's Compass > garrison > capital every 4 hours. Then you also have the Dalaran hearthstone every 15 mins. If you really want another teleport, Jaina's Locket gets you to old Dalaran, and then to your capital. Pricey or time-consuming but it's another option. And then mages can just do whatever they want, eventual human druids can do their thing, eventual human shamans can do their thing. Various M+ portals take you all over the world. And on top of all these methods of getting around, we'll have skyriding. Getting an extra charge on a 10-min CD hearthstone is just about the most useless thing they could have given us.


AbjectList8

Well this is stupid


Independent_Edge5671

Eyooo, dont take away my diplomacy wtf


mr_Joor

Meh.


Chasavaqe

Oh the humanity!


malibutide

So, can we get a free race-change token to go a long with this, Blizz?


Sheldonzilla

We already have a hearthstone, a Dalaran hearthstone, a garrison hearthstone, and (once TWW starts, account-wide) KSH portal all around Azeroth. And that's not thinking about how much faster travel is, summoning, or all the engineering toys that TP as well. I doubt most of us would have even noticed this existed if they just snuck it in. What a shame.


No-Weather-5438

That's it?\^\^


Vods

Well that wasn’t very imaginative. Did they even try?


Cleveland_S

Great, so literally all my characters will be dwarves, I guess?


adnanosh123

L change


Andromansis

They should let humans be shamans so they can have more hearths.


IridescentLuminosity

Really??? I didn’t expect anything but I'm still disappointed


IamIchbin

Completly Useless.


Lessard93

Wow, my expectations were incredibly low and they still managed to fuck it up real bad, well done blizz


Rythgarz

Well that is useless..


Tnecniw

Ah yes... Faster hearthstone... What everyone wanted... In 2006


sKeLz0r

No class fantasy, useless, what a bummer.


AedionMorris

I am fine with this IF AND ONLY IF we are moving away from racials that give any type of damage or output bonus in general and will be reworking all remaining racials that do so. If it gave 2 hearthstones for 2 diff places that'd be neat but more CDR on hearthstone and 2 charges? That's a bit useless lol


CaelemLeaf

What's the logic here? The racial it's replacing isn't a damage/output bonus


doctorpotatohead

This is replacing a racial that didn't affect damage or throughput though


kid-karma

shh. we're trying to start a mob here.


Jristz

2 hearthstones... Is not that technically the Vulperas' racial?


Vanrax

Shaman coughs


prairiebandit

Vulpera you can pick anywhere in the world where this hearth point is. Huge QoL.


Atheren

The eight extra bag slots is also pretty nice.


Equilities

I support races being purely cosmetic (or at the very least out-of-combat only), but what does this have to do with the diplomacy replacement? This is their out-of-combat racial, basically equivalent to Nightbornes summoning mailboxes or Velfs having 50% off transmog. They still have their % secondary stats racial which is the relevant in-combat one. Why do they have to remove damage racials for you to be okay with this completely separate racial?


Hardass_McBadCop

I actually think that would be a much better racial, having your hearth go to 2 places. Click the racial to toggle between them. I also think it should give like a speed boost or something. Maybe something where the duration is extended some when you kill a mob or gather a mat.


FixBlackLotusBlizz

lol at human mains


Feyrus

:( I’ve played a human since vanilla as my main


Sensitive_You7308

….i hate it the rep buff was better wtf is this


Spoksparkare

Well, this is useless for Human Mages..


SilverCyclist

If they were going to give us a Wizard of Oz racial, they could have at least let us drop an Inn on our opponents.


redrenegade13

My human character is a mage 😭😭😭


Shmeckey

*Laughs in Druid* But can you teleport into a forest?!


Shablagoosh

As someone who’s always played human if available for all of my characters, the reputation gain will be sorely missed. I understand why they’re doing it, so people who don’t want to be human, for faction reasons or any other reason, wouldn’t need to make one specifically for a war band. I suppose it does give me a reason to grind the remaining reps I have from old versions of wow remaining in the meantime whenever I complete remix. Was hoping for something better than a double hearth, maybe like 1% vers or something similar to night elves getting 2% haste during the day or whatever but I suppose it’s better than nothing.


Ethereal_Bulwark

Ah yes, lets bring back the most hated set bonus in the history of wow. The original Lawbringer set bonus, and give it as a racial but with 2 charges.. OOOhhhhh AHhhh


DirectorSchlector

Wow so useful /s


Artrysa

So now I can have a hearth, another hearth, dalaran hearth, garrison hearth and the stormeind cloak. Idk man, seems kinda limited.


Tehphri4r

Rename it “the bravery of Sir Robin”


[deleted]

This is such a garbage racial. Why are they obsessed with hearth timers? Like actually why?


Theraspberryknight

Wow. This is completely worthless.


doodlebopwarrior

Never going to see a human mage again


dodolungs

........yay? Honestly I hope that's not the best they can do because that's kinda pathetic.


OctaviaPhilharmonic

real 'your minions with charge have +1 attack' energy


RenagadeRaven

Ever since Vanilla my main (mage) has had their Hearthstone set to Theramore. I have never changed it. My little head story for the character was an apprentice of Jaina and I did every quest available from her or with her in game. My hearthstone takes me to the crater where Theramore Inn used to be. This... will not be useful for me =D


impurehalo

Ah yes. My human mage will love this.


slayer828

From one of the best to worst racials. Insulting really.


Assortedwrenches89

Well, this is lame.


PunsNotIncluded

That's very underwhelming. Like, it's better than nothing but not by very much.


Procrastanaseum

I'd rather have Diplomacy.


Saevenar

What garbage is that?


Onemanzoo

Deleting my human remix characters and rerolling night elf


hawkleberryfin

Why not just have Diplomacy only apply to old reps instead of giving something this useless? I don't even play Humans because FOR THE HORDE, but even I feel insulted by this new racial. If you're going to nerf racials to the point of where they don't matter, then just disable racials entirely in "competitive" content like ranked PvP, Mythic raids, and higher M+ levels. Then we can have powerful/fun racial skills everywhere else.


burger-eater

Thats crap, change extra charge to 1 additional place.


IndyWaWa

- Everyone disliked that.


Sanlayme

Does it come with Ruby Slippers?


Calipheos

Diplomacy is not an option!


matadorobex

How about a new Human Racial that teleports you to just outside the entrance of the current instance?


Warmanee

Better racial would’ve been human can set another hearth this is ass


Reklesnes

Why are they changing it? Hearth in retail is 1 of the less usefully things as there's portals every where now


LDB_1

wow... that sucks


Chesus42

April 1st was nearly two months ago, Blizzard. If you're gonna take away the extremely valuable rep buff then you gotta give us something that isn't absolute garbage.


DirectorSchlector

They could just have only cosmetics instead of player power gated behind rep so speed run mythic power players wouldn't have any advantage.


m_dorian

Awful.