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(Skipped the timings this week because I've posted this comment late.)
I totally get Storm's reaction but... I'm kinda on Forge and Beast's side here? Bastion isn't a mutant, and he has only used his powers to mass murder mutants and also convert humans unknowingly into sleeper killing machines, including his own mother. I feel like things would be a whole lot safer in the future if he just couldn't do that anymore. And if this all ends with them killing him anyway, then what's the point of being precious about robbing him of his powers?
But this is the exact argument Forge gave when he was making the mutant collars. It’s literally word for word.
Bastion isn’t a mutant but once they make this technology and by happenstance it spreads, who knows where it will end up. It’s made to block ALL MUTATIONS, then why wouldn’t it be used for Hulk or Spider-Man?
I think I can explain that, as someone who's disabled
Because while it might be good to stop Bastion, it was used as a weapon against her
During my first 6 years of 'school', I was kept in a literal broom closet. It was buggy, dark, and I was 'where I belonged, as a retarded invalid'. The students who were capable of learning didn't need to be burdened by me
Teachers didn't either. My typing teacher (that and gym were the only time I got out), gave me permanent joint damage because I can't type like a normal person
I was frequently beaten and told I was not human
I was happy 9/11 happened because it meant they forgot about me for a day. I don't find anything funny about 9/11 funny, it's not a joke, and I find it disrespectful when people do
But that's how bad it got. That o was happy that this country had an universe shaking tragedy. Because I got to be a normal kid for one day
And to this day, despite being 30, I go from 0-hulk rage when people suggest anything like special Ed. When people say that special needs (as we thankfully call them now) kids shouldn't be able to disrupt regular students
Is there some disabled people who probably should be given a separate place? Sure, some are strong and/or violent
But that *core idea*
The idea that we should be **separate** is how I ended up losing my childhood
You give people an inch, they'll take a mile
You let people put special needs kids away, they'll go back to my broom closet.
It's the mere monument of that concept, becomes an issue
The mention of blue and gold... fantastic
Jean wearing her marvel girl outfit with the face mask... fannnntastic.
Storm and Jean being all sisterly... fannnnnntastic.
Magnus doing the thing.. uhm .. uhm ... I was so caught up in the show my brain forgot that was how Asteroid M implies that would happen. Too soon.
Sinister, fabulous no notes.
Wolverine stabbed a human being for the first time…
(Yes i know he stabbed humans in the previous episodes, but those were sentinel humans. He drew blood this episode)
"Make them mind your weather, sister."
"And make them weather your mind."
What a banger. Just the right amount of over-the-top. Some writer ran around the room collecting high fives after he pitched that line.
The instant greeting from Jean to Ororo as she sees her and them flying both on their own way was such a show of love and how their powers are just part of who they are. The fact she called her ororo was so wholesome.
stabbed the main villain AND removed the helmet that prevents Charles from mind controlling him. Did more than any of the other Xmen other than Charles himself (who was stopped thereafter by Cyclops)
I know Magneto's way is far to violent to make a peaceful world for mutants overall...
But man. When you hear him describe things like that and how humans refused to leave mutants alone in Genosha you can't blame him for his views
>I know Magneto's way is far to violent to make a peaceful world for mutants overall...
I mean, that's kind of the point, right? He fundamentally believes that there is *no* peaceful world, so he's choosing his race to be the one who survives.
Considering the audience obviously feels a part of the X-Men due to this perspective, it makes it *so* compelling to side with him. But you can just as easily tell this story from the other side (i.e. if you followed along with Spider-Man, The Avengers, etc.) and you would view it very differently.
Meanwhile in 616 Leech gets to be best friends with Franklin Richards, and help teenage girls with kill everything powers spend a day at the park. Guess Leech got the short end the stick over here.
Can't believe they recreated the panel.
So much love went into this show. It's made someone like me who was never into X-Men into a new fan. I love it!
Well…. We all thought it might happen, and with this they set up a few potential story arcs, first with possibly Onslaught depending on how next episode goes and then the bone claws for a while with Logan
And if they go the bone claw route…. Remind me everyone, how did he get his Adamantium claws back? I think it was a certain someone that we all suspect might be involved in potential resurrection
Apocalypse - this is setting us up for both Wolverine & Gambit to become horsemen. I'm going to say Gambit stays death and Wolverine changes to War. Good God, could we get Jean as Pestilence or Famine??
I am thinking she's going to come back as Phoenix since they've shown that so much too, but at this point it's anyone's guess.
I kind of wanted Xavier to shut up, but after seeing Magneto do it to him and seeing the ensuing consequences...We need people like Xavier to take the temperature in the room down.
If you remember from X-2 he killed the security guard by pulling the iron out his blood. He can do some fucked up shit but they nerf him for entertainment purposes
There’s a scene in the comics where he catches some racist redneck types who murdered a mutant because they were bigots and he rips the iron out of their blood to make a nail; which he then fires like a bullet through them. And when they beg he asks if Sara (the mutant) begged.
This episode was amazing! The finale is going to be insane. I can't wait for next season as well.
The old outfits, killing/injuring Magneto, etc.
I really love how they are depicting Xavier. It is nice to see the wise mentor challenged in a way he never could be on kids TV.
Also, the fight scene between Sinister and Jean was badass. It's nice to see both Sinister and Cable using their powers to at least part of their potential.
Yeap the x-men are now divided.
Scott is now making his choice sides as he saved Magneto from charles.
Logan is now you know.
Rogue joing the Magento idk if its out of character for her or losing remy and Thousands death let her made this choice.
She saying she made the choice in Genosha.
Girl you chose Gambit.
I am lost here.
Idk if gambit would like this.
Edit:- i have now come to realise that Rogue chooses this side was because of what she experienced in Genosha.
She also had Gambit jacket the good guy and now she passed it to charles kind like she blaming Him or she doesn’t wanna put blood on it or gambit would still be taking x men side becomes he’s good guy or maybe her trauma is so strong she just want revenge on Humanity.
(I basically hate Roguneto)
I think she took off Gambit's coat because she knew he wouldn't like it. She knows he would've stayed w the X-Men. I think it's in her character. Genosha traumatized her, Gambit is gone, and she is closest with Magneto, and she used to be Brotherhood herself. She is even wearing her Brotherhood outfit rn to signify where her head is at.
Rogue is, at her core, not as good of a person as Gambit. I don't love the fact they've decided to do a sort of schism as schism was mostly annoying, but even without Genosha Rogue going this way isn't completely out of character. Gambit is actually the more inherently noble of the two despite the whole morally grey thief thing.
I also really liked how Xavier apologized to Rogue about hurting their friendship and it still wasn’t enough to keep her on his side. You can do everything to be on good terms, and sometime, it just isn’t enough.
Cyclops made his choice because of Jean, not because of Magneto. As per DeMayo, it was to stop the Prime Sentinels from coming online, not because he thinks Magneto is right. He already made his choice on Magneto earlier in the episode by refusing to go with him.
She's not going with Magneto from a romantic POV. She's going because of what she chose for mutants & how she wanted to be a part of their future as a leader, and she no longer believes that future should be with Charles's teachings or vision.
I think Rogue does not currently sees herself as a hero. She said it when she attacked the military base: she's not one of the good guys anymore.
I'm glad they're allowing her to actually process this as a real person would, instead of writing off her anger after two episodes. She saw the love of her life die in front of her. She is scarred, and didn't had time to process any of it.
It does make sense that she doesn't care to play nice anymore.
Rogue isn't going to stay with Mags long after what he just did to Logan. I think that was a momentary lapse of reason. Now mags did just take 3 6" blades through the torso... he shouldn't be able to just walk away from that.
My take on this is that the X-Men experienced a series of traumatic events and without time to process, are now forced to pick sides in which all options still lead to war.
I think that Rogue's actions are relatable; she is operating on grief and PTSD. I think that we just assume that superheroes will keep picking the high road because that's how they've always been written but that ignores their humanity. I really can't see Rogue waking up and picking diplomacy after dropping Trask in a fit of rage. Not like coma comes with therapy. And if you think about it, the choice this time was diplomacy vs retaliation. In episode 5, the choice was between furthering human mutant relationships or her love.
I feel like they fit 3 story arcs in each episode lol. Clearly I'd love it if it was twice as long, but I won't even complain. This show is fucking amazing.
I absolutely want it to slow down, but I will withhold any complaints on that score for the first (and arguably second since I assume it was plotted and made at the same time) season. They may have thought they'd have no time. I hope now that its success is apparent that season 3 they SLOW DOWN a bit.
Holy shit they actually did it, Magneto and Wolverine and mutually assured destruction. There’s some weird/rushed plotting in this episode, but the personal stakes of the fight between Magneto and Xavier could not have been more palpable. What a perfect, jaw dropping cliffhanger to segue into the season finale.
“Oh, how I’ve waited to say these two words to you, old friend: SHUT UP!”
Its honestly kind of funny seeing him be so blunt for once. Like he's so tired of dealing with Xavier that he can't even be bothered to come up with a flowery Shakespearian spin for his words like he usually does.
In fairness? He's right.
Xavier ran. He could've come back well before he did. He also saw the dream get put to the torch. He saw Xavier's way get slapped aside by humanity.
So he is picking Asteroid M back up and having a go at it himself. If humans want everything to burn? Who is he to stand in their way?
He then stuck around because he was thinking maybe he could move on and help out on a much bigger interstellar stage while leaving the world to his closest friend that he had faith in. If Xavier had a flaw in doing what he did, it was being too much of an idealist.
> There’s some weird/rushed plotting in this episode
For me, that's how it felt with Logan
If it was in Pitch Meeting, it would be like:
"So what does Wolverine do now?"
"He delivers a violent quip and extends his claws in each one of his scenes!"
"Wow wow wow, wow!"
The ending was worth it though.
it also works as a direct callback to [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMr2p39-gvE) scene in the movies where they had Cyclops say "What would you have preferred, yellow spandex?", definitely shots fired.
I love it because to me this is pretty much lovers of the superhero genre standing up for themselves, wonderfully well-written and deep stories can still be told to the masses without doing away with these charms that defined the genre.
Yeah it's great how you can be totally on Xavier's side (on the topic of "Not killing the entire planet"), but totally feel Magneto's exasperation for having to deal with Xavier's impassioned speeches all the time.
Yeah, it's amazing how much Xavier holds back when you think about it. He could have dealt with Magneto permanently in Episode 4 of TAS if he wanted too, he just refuses to do it because he thinks the world should be kinder than that.
HE FUCKING DID IT. HE TOOK HIS ADAMANTIUM.
Blue and Gold Teams! Throwback costumes! Rogue and Sunspot joining Magneto! Cable going full telekinetic! and Morph Smash!
I don't want to sound hyperbolic but it is this the greatest season of an animated series ever made?? It's up there
I hope they do. There are too many things going into Episode 10 that the 33+ minute mark just can't be enough to fit in... right?
You have the battle going on at Astroid M, the team fighting Bastion and the sentinels are losing, Jean might have just died (Phoenix incoming?), Cable is possessed by Sinister, Wolverine just got his adamantium ripped out... I genuinely can't predict where this is going.
THIS. I'm so hyped for the finale but I can't stand the thought of us already being on the last episode and having to wait god knows how long for season 2. Plus all the fears of what the series will look like without Beau. I know there are a ton of writers and stuff still there, but I just hope they don't make the boneheaded move of bringing in someone who wants to put their "own stamp" on things to run the show. Whatever happened backstage, Beau and the team nailed this season and I hope they stick to this formula going forward.
'97 is so worthy of the legacy that preceded it.
Season 2 is already recorded and in post at this point, it's planned on coming sometime next year, so Beau's vision for that one should be preserved. I think he had season 3 mapped out, I don't think the rest of the team is changing so I'm confident they'll keep it going.
I don’t support Magneto’s actions, but with everything he has gone through, I think he’s the more understandable character. This season has really made me see Xavier in a new light - he is an idealist, but naively so, whereas Magneto’s realism was forged through suffering. Magneto tried to see the world Charles’ way, and was forced to witness another holocaust as a result. Meanwhile, Charles was living the good life in space, comes back once the damage is already done, and tries to preach? I’d want him to shut up as well.
I wish there was another path than Magneto just becoming a textbook villain again, but this confrontation is the result of their choices. I’d like to see Cyclops stand somewhere in the middle - not as naive as Xavier, but not as ruthless as Magneto.
>I wish there was another path than Magneto just becoming a textbook villain again, but this confrontation is the result of their choices
What Ororo says to Jean is really interesting in light of this, to be honest. the show hammers home that there are two dreams of two men who want what's best for mutantkind.
But Storm says that all this change is all the same. They're still fighting back against human bigotry, leading to fighting Magneto because of it. How should they fight back? Ororo says, "We must believe - not in dreams, not in our gifts, but in each other."
So I think that 'other path' is coming!
Yeah, the flaw with Xavier's dream is he's too much of an idealist to accept it won't come 100% true. So the best thing to do is make it a guiding star, like Ultimate X-Men after Ultimatum. Same with how Magneto has the right idea, but terrible ways of carrying it out. Which is why Scott as the middleman between these two beliefs is a popular interpretation, and it seems Ororo feels that way too, which is exciting.
This is who Magneto is and always has been at his best. He's an incredibly cathartic and compelling figure -- but he's a villain and he kind of needs to be, because what he fundamentally represents is the cycle of violence that results from marginalized rage, anger and resentment.
Magneto is compelling because he's right about humanity in some ways, but "by any means necessary" is shorthand for "collective guilt/punishment" which is wrong.
Charles is too idealistic, but his way is rooted in empathy and that is the superior path forward. Even if it's nonlinear, messy, and utopia isn't possible.
I think what the show should explore next is the flaws in both magneto and xavier's worldview's, letting cyclops be the synethesis of them.
First Class got it right (idk if they’ve done this in the comics too but I’m just thinking the movie.) It shows Magneto as a child in a fucking concentration camp, meanwhile then it cuts to Xavier as a child in a fucking castle like mansion. Xavier has always been incredibly privileged and lucky. That’s why it’s always been so easy to understand Magneto and his perspective because he’s operating from a more realistic perspective.
I honestly prefer them working together but after Xavier fucked off, I totally understand why he’s fucking pissed. Magneto really did try to live up to the ideals he was left with and look what it led too. I’m honestly surprised more of the X-Men didn’t side with him.
I mean no matter what, most of the team realize that Magneto is still hurting lots of innocent people with his actions. They may be a lot of apathetic or ignorant people but still inherently innocent; and hell Mag’s actions are so detrimental they likely killed mutants too.
Also Mag’s trying to live up to those ideals didn’t lead to Genohsa, Bastion was gonna do that regardless.
Love your pointing out First Class getting shit done well though; it’s a personal favorite of mine and I feel Disney get all the love it deserves.
I know everyone is saying Fatal Attractions but I don’t think we’ll get Magneto ripping out Wolverines metal
Edit after watching and in Arrested Development Narration voice - Magneto did in fact rip out Wolverines metal
Me in the middle of the episode: wait they’re sending Logan to fight Magneto instead of going to the another team? That’s the worst idea ever.
Me in the end of the episode: oh boy.
I think her mentioning the Phoenix in episodes 1 and 5 were laying the foundation. She knows on some level that they need extra firepower for this battle. Maybe she'll start going by Phoenix in season 2? If so, I think that would be a great way to show she's become stronger and won't be fainting again anytime soon. 😊
Wow what an episode. I’m not ready for the final ep next week. My life will be so empty. Anyways, here’s some thoughts:
- new storm title card with her new outfit woo!
- charles and scott having a lil father-son trifle. kinda reminds me of decimation era cyclops there. Rogue ain’t hearing charles out either.
- loving the “new” old costumes here. and they do a decent job of explaining the change since they’re relocating to muir island for the meantime
- man, Magneto describing how he watched leech get vaporized was dark af. RIP leech. Professor also gives a shout out to Moira’s death (she’s def not a mutant in this universe surprise surprise)
- Wasn’t surprised with Rogue joining Magneto as a lot of people theorized but was not expecting Roberto to join too
- Nice call back to gold and blue teams while they’re fighting the two front war against bastion and magneto
- Morph Smash! Nice lil hulk easter egg
- Sinister controlling cable was definitely a surprise but makes sense. He’s definitely showing a bit of “nate grey”here
- Magneto calling Charles a race traitor and telling him to shut up. Common Magneto W
- Holy cow they really went there. Fatal attraction. Xavier trying to amnesiac Eric but Cyclops stopping him. Episode ending with Magneto ripping the adamantium from logan’s body.
- Last episode is gonna go crazy.
It a bit unfortunate how different this Roberto is to his comic counterpart but I’m still hoping that this’ll lead to a New mutants spinoff or something
I fucking love xmen 97 man. Another all timer in a season of bangers.
My boy Logan just got shredded yo. The mad bastards just went up and did it.
What a time to be alive...
She ain't thinking straight. I was wondering if they'd give her some dialogue with Nightcrawler on the asteroid about not fighting him because of their bond. Scrapping with Wolverine is fine because you can't really hurt him.
Wow, it had me screaming at the end!
The shot of the bloody claws was great! Definitely couldn't do that in the og show!
And then, of course, right after we get one of the most iconic moments of xmen comics!!!
Another banger episode, can't wait till next week!
I always get confused about Sinister's powers. So he can like turn into shadows?? I thought he just had like strong telepathy and could regenerate.
I feel like they are similar to apocalypse, in that they aren't always clearly defined and depend upon the writer.
Yea Sinister basically has a ton of powers.
In the comics it's explained he gives himself powers from experimented / captured mutants, so that is one easy reasoning they can use. The molecular manipulation of his own body could also simulate that type of "teleportation" in a way as well.
Sinister implanted himself with powers of various mutants he had experimented on. Which gives him shapeshifting, body-morphing, strong regenerative factor and more.
He *likes* to pose a threat through his genetic experiments, but when push comes to shove he can be very dangerous in close combat.
I've had Pryde of the X-Men on the brain for a while and this episode just did all the things outside of filling out the last three members of that roster. The classic costumes, the return of Asteroid M, the countdown to Earth's destruction, Nightcrawler teleporting to the final boss room where Magneto is waiting... it was a trip.
>Just please don't kill the fuzzy blue twink in episode 10, I can't bear to see Kurt die
You do know that Bastion's most famous action in the comics is impaling Nightcrawler through the chest right? And they'll probably want to top Magneto's feat in this episode next week so...
I don’t think Bastion was planning on Magneto. I think the comment about quiet was about how we would complain to his mother as a child about hearing the machines.
Edit: ok op edited his comment lol I was originally not repeating the same thing back to him
"Shut up." - Magneto
I love that line delivery, made me laugh a lot.
But man, I absolutely love everything in this episode, everything seems so perfectly done. EPISODE 10 CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH AGHHHH
ALSO noticed Morph was referred to as "them" for the first time. Rogue might have chosen the bad guys, but she stills respects her team members' pronouns, what a queen 😌 💅.
The bastion team seems somehwhat under equipped lol, like we sent beast to fight an army of sentinels and wolverine to fight the guy who controls metal?!
But let’s be real we know why Wolverine was on the magneto team, as soon as I saw gold teams full crew in the ship I knew what scene we were getting lmao
Rouge turning is gonna be a yikes from me, but she was the most logical.
I have two pretty big complaints though, one is where are other mutants? Like isn’t magneto just gonna abandon the planet with the asteroid? It was kinda weird to go there and it’s just magneto rouge and Roberto lol, I get it’s more due to budget and pacing, they had to skip right to the magneto fight
The other one that I truly can’t get is cyclops shooting the professor because gold team needs more time…like what? I’m assuming it’s because bastion has to be neutralized before they fix earth or else the prime sentinels all come back online, but that doesn’t mean the professor couldn’t like put magneto to sleep or something, shooting him and letting magneto go just makes absolutely no sense to me
Especially with jeans message, he saw Nathan being under sinister control, and jeans only musters out a I love you, and this to him is “the team needs more time” and not “the other team is fucked we need to go help them” like that should’ve made him tell the professor knock out magneto rouge and Roberto and let’s rush to the others, not shoot the professor and let magneto do whatever
I thought at first he shot the professor because he turned on them, like maybe he thought magneto was our only shot at stopping bastion or saving Jean and cable, that at least makes sense to me
I genuinely can’t wrap my ahead around the logic in the moment
Edit: from the source himself https://x.com/beaudemayo/status/1788118624903020792?s=46&t=VZSEbjzJBWOyXxPzgtd9Qg
I think shooting the professor and letting magneto go in an attempt to deescalate the situation is poorly conveyed and some genuinely dumb writing
They foreshadowed it throughout the episode. The dialogue with Charles in the beginning, the moments with Jean/Cable, the psychic Convo he had literally minutes before about the other team. Scott is not willing to be the good soldier and sacrifice his family for the professor anymore. He saw Jean in trouble. He knows Jean wouldn't have reached out like that if her team was in a good spot. He knew that Charles was already prioritizing fixing earth over the other team; do you think he'd trust him to just "knock them out?" Especially if he thought the Prof felt he only had one shot at this.
I don't get the people saying that Rogue changes her mind every minute... She is still on her grief side as made obvious on her Xavier conversation... What changed? nothing, why people are taking her joining Magneto as she agreed to be her lover or some shit like that, she still picked Gambit and thinks about him, she joined for an entire different reason and it's the same mindset of the last episode we saw her.
HOLY HECK! WHAT AN EPISODE! Definitely this episodes are not giving us a little bit of room to breathe and that's great. I felt excited seeing Storm back in the intro and I was really happy to see her saving Jubilee (but I wish we could have seen both Roberto and Jubilee at the moment when the Sentinels turned off).
And then I felt happy to see Rogue waking up, but after the conversations that Cyclops and Rogue had with Xavier, I was suspecting that something wasn't right at all. I have to be honest, I really wanted to see Rogue's reaction of Magneto being alive, but when he appeared with the asteroid was so badass.
And then the division of the teams, Storm vs. the Sentinels was spectacular, Morph as >!Hulk!< was fantastic, Jean vs. Sinister terrific, and then... Cable goes off, the Sentinels had an uppercut over Storm and Forge (I'm just hoping he's not dead), and then Cable vs. Jean broke my heart, but the last minutes in the asteroid, WOW, just stole my hope, Cyclops attacking Charles, Wolverine going badass... when Beau said "Fatal Attractions is the homework of the week" and I was like "oh no... is not happening, right? RIGHT?" and then BOOM, I'm speechless. I was waiting for a little bit of hope after this episode, but now I'm really scare for everyone, can't wait to see what the finale has for us.
They did the thing, they finally allowed Wolverine to show his ass
Also i loooved
-the shoulder pads on Morph, it helps them look more like Colossus (a member of team gold in the comics)
-Rouge called back to the first episode of X-Men when Morph didnt make it through the whole episode
-lastly mind the weather and weather their minds \*chef's kiss
God, this show is still just so fun and fluid when it comes too action. Love Jean throwing bowling balls at Sinister. The fight scenes and uses of everyone's powers are so good.
The Blue and Gold team stuff is very cool, but feels a little sudden? It's a bit like Maddy calling herself Maddy - has Scott just been brainstorming team names for whenever he needs them? That... actually kind of checks out for Scott, thinking about it lol.
I'm... not entirely sure if the Sunspot defection was entirely earned? I like it in premise, but it feels very 0 to 100 to me? Like Jubilee has been pushing him every episode, but his mother got a little too mutantphobic and suddenly he's like "Actually, maybe let's burn everything down!"... Idk. It's good in premise, but the pacing *really* hurts that one in my opinion.
The cliffhangers are excellent. I am endlessly curious where things will go from here, with Jean and Cable, Magneto and Logan, Morph and Beast, and everyone else.... I am not expecting them to kill off many people, but they've shone the guts that *someone* else dying feels very plausible to me and that's kind of crazy for a follow-up to X-Men TAS of all things lol.
> I'm... not entirely sure if the Sunspot defection was entirely earned? I like it in premise, but it feels very 0 to 100 to me? Like Jubilee has been pushing him every episode, but his mother got a little too mutantphobic and suddenly he's like "Actually, maybe let's burn everything down!"... Idk. It's good in premise, but the pacing really hurts that one in my opinion.
I feel like Sunspot was never really down with the cause to begin with. So it doesn't really feel like a heel turn in that way. On the bright side, does this mean magneto will form the new mutants next season??
Oh, I'd love to see the New Mutants - Dani is one of my favourite comic characters period - though I don't know if this already packed show would have time for a full other team... It is interesting to see Sunspot and Magneto interacting though, as traditionally he's one of the more Magneto-skeptical ones during the Headmaster era, at least from what I recall...
Well his mother wasn't just mutant phobic, she handed him over to killer robots. She is the one who went from 0 to 100, going from "just stay out of sight" to "hands her own son over to the Gestapo/SS/insert genocidal cops here."
My problem is more with how Sunspot's and Jubilee's actual fight is clearly a joke, basically one of those cartoon slapfights but with superpowers. Kinda doesn't fit at all with the intense drama of his defection or the overall battle.
Jubilee and Sunspot controlling plasma in different ways, reminded me of how Cyclops and Havok get spoofed all the time about how many instances they forget their powers don't work on each other - as they both manipulate solar radiation
YOU GUYS. HOLY HELL.
* Rogue wearing Remy's trenchcoat....then taking it off to go with Magneto. Ugh, gut punch. Even though I definitely think Rogneto is done, it was still such salt in the wound. I don't think she'll stay though after seeing what Magento did do Wolverine, but it's hard to say, since Wolverine stabbed him first...which leads to...
* Fatal Attractions FTW
* Blue/Gold teams
* Scott 100% knew what he was doing when he hit the professor. The Gold Team didn't need more time....he just wanted Magneto to win after feeling Jean's goodbye. You could tell in his voice, his excuse was half hearted at best.
* Phoenix gonna Phoenix in the next episode, y'all.
* What a cool twist with Sinister! Made SO much sense, of course he would have implanted a control device in the technovirus from the very start. And SO COOL seeing Cable show that side of him even a little bit.
* I was surprised Roberto was on the team given he hasn't done much and they kept Jubes sidelines for years. Desperate times, I guess.
* Bastion crying at his mother's side was a nice touch - humanizing him at every moment they can is the right choice. I guess his using old school sentinal tech on the island means his primes are indeed wiped out for now.
* SO READY for next week!! LFG!!
It has nothing to do with Scott agreeing with Magneto, it was entirely about preventing the Prime Sentinels from coming back online. And especially after what Magneto did to Wolverine, there is no chance Scott would ever side with Magneto.
If that’s the correct read on the Scott moment I think it’s at best poorly conveyed
He shed a tear when Maddie wasn’t who they found in the rubble in episode 7…but not for feeling Jean die? And if he wanted magneto to win because of that why even try and hide it? He just shot the professor, and that didn’t stop magneto from confining his ass just like everyone else. Coming up with a really weak excuse to a telepath makes very little sense
The scene would be way more impactful if it embraced this logic and had the line he said reflect that instead of what you’re claiming is just a weak excuse
The gold team also literally did need more time, which makes it more confusing as a viewer because it doesn’t come off as a bad excuse in theory
https://x.com/beaudemayo/status/1788118624903020792?s=46&t=VZSEbjzJBWOyXxPzgtd9Qg
And here’s the word from the source himself…he didn’t want magneto to win lmao, his line about gold team was genuine and he apparently believed letting magneto loose was the best way to deescalate the situation lmao
I’m just feeling emotions every time they play Storm’s “I’m about to show you what a goddess looks like” theme.
The exchange between Jean and Storm is quite possibly one of my most favorites in the series.
Next to “Shut up”
I haven’t seen it, but am making predictions because I can’t sleep but should.
Magneto makes Astroid M. Xavier gathers the Xmen. Schism happens along those lines. Wolverine gets skeleton ripped and my 1/1000 bet is Jubilee goes vampire.
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THE RUNNING HUMANS BECAME SENTINELS IN THE OPENING CREDITS
Happy cake day! Nice catch btww
I saw that too! So happy. Give that animation team lots of cookies.
Damn that's creepy, barely noticed that
great pick up!
This episode was amazing. The Blue and Gold teams, comic outfits. Storm getting pissed over neutralizer tech had me in stitches.
Of course Forge and Beast would immediately try to use neutralizer tech again. Science guys never learn.
Storm was like, "If I'm not in that room now, everyone's going to regret it."
I totally get Storm's reaction but... I'm kinda on Forge and Beast's side here? Bastion isn't a mutant, and he has only used his powers to mass murder mutants and also convert humans unknowingly into sleeper killing machines, including his own mother. I feel like things would be a whole lot safer in the future if he just couldn't do that anymore. And if this all ends with them killing him anyway, then what's the point of being precious about robbing him of his powers?
But this is the exact argument Forge gave when he was making the mutant collars. It’s literally word for word. Bastion isn’t a mutant but once they make this technology and by happenstance it spreads, who knows where it will end up. It’s made to block ALL MUTATIONS, then why wouldn’t it be used for Hulk or Spider-Man?
I think I can explain that, as someone who's disabled Because while it might be good to stop Bastion, it was used as a weapon against her During my first 6 years of 'school', I was kept in a literal broom closet. It was buggy, dark, and I was 'where I belonged, as a retarded invalid'. The students who were capable of learning didn't need to be burdened by me Teachers didn't either. My typing teacher (that and gym were the only time I got out), gave me permanent joint damage because I can't type like a normal person I was frequently beaten and told I was not human I was happy 9/11 happened because it meant they forgot about me for a day. I don't find anything funny about 9/11 funny, it's not a joke, and I find it disrespectful when people do But that's how bad it got. That o was happy that this country had an universe shaking tragedy. Because I got to be a normal kid for one day And to this day, despite being 30, I go from 0-hulk rage when people suggest anything like special Ed. When people say that special needs (as we thankfully call them now) kids shouldn't be able to disrupt regular students Is there some disabled people who probably should be given a separate place? Sure, some are strong and/or violent But that *core idea* The idea that we should be **separate** is how I ended up losing my childhood You give people an inch, they'll take a mile You let people put special needs kids away, they'll go back to my broom closet. It's the mere monument of that concept, becomes an issue
This comment made me think of Stark and Banner LOL
The mention of blue and gold... fantastic Jean wearing her marvel girl outfit with the face mask... fannnntastic. Storm and Jean being all sisterly... fannnnnntastic. Magnus doing the thing.. uhm .. uhm ... I was so caught up in the show my brain forgot that was how Asteroid M implies that would happen. Too soon. Sinister, fabulous no notes.
In an incredibly dark super intense morally complex all out episode Storm's reaction genuinely had me howling with laughter.
That Venture Bros. meets Archer level humor lmfao
Wolverine stabbed a human being for the first time… (Yes i know he stabbed humans in the previous episodes, but those were sentinel humans. He drew blood this episode)
We are free. Free for the first time in decades. No one is going back to TV and the ridiculous censorship again. No more chains.
No more "destroying," no more "sending to the next dimension!" From now on, when people die, they die!
Speaking of which…. F’s for leech being confirmed dead 😭
Yeah, that part hurt me.
And in such gruesome way, as described by Magneto.
Yessssss! I don’t ever want to hear “Destroy Them” ever again. Especially by Apocalypse
“Like Moses and the promise land” -magneto
So that means....PETER CAN FINALLY PUNCH STUFF.
I dunno, Morph turned into Juggernaut and his one punch was used to judo throw him.
I mean but Logan finally stabbed someone.
True, I just have PTSD from all of the judo throws in my 90s cartoons
Logan, like Thor, >!should have gone for the head. No hesitation against an omega-level threat.!<
honorable mention: >!<[ ](https://youtu.be/nWbn4Et7GMQ)>!<
"Make them mind your weather, sister." "And make them weather your mind." What a banger. Just the right amount of over-the-top. Some writer ran around the room collecting high fives after he pitched that line.
Favorite moment of the episode for me. Absolutely love seeing Storm & Jean's bond this season.
Agreed right there with "Shut UP"
“You’re always sorry Charles…and there’s always a speech”
And also Storm getting her kick ass soundtrack every time
I'm so glad their bond is explicitely represented, and they're biological sisters as far as I'm concerned 🗿.
"blood is blood, family is a choice" that quote from kurt is really just hitting different
Agreed. It was a great line.
The instant greeting from Jean to Ororo as she sees her and them flying both on their own way was such a show of love and how their powers are just part of who they are. The fact she called her ororo was so wholesome.
while i love this episode, I am once again asking the x-men to stop sending a man with metal bones to fight the master of magnetism.
"I'mma F Magneto up." "AHH MY BONES!"
TBF.... despite that poor matchup... he seems to have done the most damage to Magneto and aside from Prof X seems to be the MVP so far?
stabbed the main villain AND removed the helmet that prevents Charles from mind controlling him. Did more than any of the other Xmen other than Charles himself (who was stopped thereafter by Cyclops)
At least they didn't send Colossus this time! (the first meeting of the GSXM team with Magneto went as poorly as you'd expect)
Poor Leech :(
Magneto *saw* his *eyeballs vaporized.* They're pulling no punches with Leech.
I know Magneto's way is far to violent to make a peaceful world for mutants overall... But man. When you hear him describe things like that and how humans refused to leave mutants alone in Genosha you can't blame him for his views
>I know Magneto's way is far to violent to make a peaceful world for mutants overall... I mean, that's kind of the point, right? He fundamentally believes that there is *no* peaceful world, so he's choosing his race to be the one who survives. Considering the audience obviously feels a part of the X-Men due to this perspective, it makes it *so* compelling to side with him. But you can just as easily tell this story from the other side (i.e. if you followed along with Spider-Man, The Avengers, etc.) and you would view it very differently.
> how humans refused to leave mutants alone in Genosha you can't blame him for his views Hence "Magneto was right".
On that topic, how the fuck did Magneto survive without barely a scratch on him if he got to see Leech, who was hugging him at the time, get vaporized
Leech is made from disposableophanium. Magnus is made from mainvillainium. Completely different densities.
Meanwhile in 616 Leech gets to be best friends with Franklin Richards, and help teenage girls with kill everything powers spend a day at the park. Guess Leech got the short end the stick over here.
I wasn’t ready for Magneto’s description. I’d set off that EMP too 😭
"No! Magnus! For the love of God, don't do this!" Then he does it. Speechless. Bring on the finale.
Can't believe they recreated the panel. So much love went into this show. It's made someone like me who was never into X-Men into a new fan. I love it!
They did it anime style with a still so it was a perfect recreation!!!
the animators for this are definitely anime fans. So many anime-inspired choices, especially the magical-girl costume transformations
Well…. We all thought it might happen, and with this they set up a few potential story arcs, first with possibly Onslaught depending on how next episode goes and then the bone claws for a while with Logan And if they go the bone claw route…. Remind me everyone, how did he get his Adamantium claws back? I think it was a certain someone that we all suspect might be involved in potential resurrection
Apocalypse - this is setting us up for both Wolverine & Gambit to become horsemen. I'm going to say Gambit stays death and Wolverine changes to War. Good God, could we get Jean as Pestilence or Famine?? I am thinking she's going to come back as Phoenix since they've shown that so much too, but at this point it's anyone's guess.
Storm literally called Jean a Phoenix in this episode, so I imagine that's probably what's going to happen.
Also Phoenix made an appearance during the intro for this episode.
I just hope they didn't get invested in feral bone-claw Wolverine and get it over with in one single episode next season.
I just hope they don’t go with the feral Wolverine design with no nose
Holy shit! Both Logan and Erik going hardcore there!
Every week this show is just making me realize how easy magneto was going on everyone
I kind of wanted Xavier to shut up, but after seeing Magneto do it to him and seeing the ensuing consequences...We need people like Xavier to take the temperature in the room down.
Not wrong
If you remember from X-2 he killed the security guard by pulling the iron out his blood. He can do some fucked up shit but they nerf him for entertainment purposes
There’s a scene in the comics where he catches some racist redneck types who murdered a mutant because they were bigots and he rips the iron out of their blood to make a nail; which he then fires like a bullet through them. And when they beg he asks if Sara (the mutant) begged.
The ending of the episode reminded me of [this](https://youtu.be/gCSeLYyN3gs?si=6zYiVb4BiaLsAFVg)
Logan should’ve gone for the head
holy shit he ripped out the adamantium
This episode was amazing! The finale is going to be insane. I can't wait for next season as well. The old outfits, killing/injuring Magneto, etc. I really love how they are depicting Xavier. It is nice to see the wise mentor challenged in a way he never could be on kids TV. Also, the fight scene between Sinister and Jean was badass. It's nice to see both Sinister and Cable using their powers to at least part of their potential.
It's so hard watching Magneto and the X-Men fight post-Genosha.
Yeap the x-men are now divided. Scott is now making his choice sides as he saved Magneto from charles. Logan is now you know. Rogue joing the Magento idk if its out of character for her or losing remy and Thousands death let her made this choice. She saying she made the choice in Genosha. Girl you chose Gambit. I am lost here. Idk if gambit would like this. Edit:- i have now come to realise that Rogue chooses this side was because of what she experienced in Genosha. She also had Gambit jacket the good guy and now she passed it to charles kind like she blaming Him or she doesn’t wanna put blood on it or gambit would still be taking x men side becomes he’s good guy or maybe her trauma is so strong she just want revenge on Humanity. (I basically hate Roguneto)
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Exactly this.
I think she took off Gambit's coat because she knew he wouldn't like it. She knows he would've stayed w the X-Men. I think it's in her character. Genosha traumatized her, Gambit is gone, and she is closest with Magneto, and she used to be Brotherhood herself. She is even wearing her Brotherhood outfit rn to signify where her head is at.
Rogue is, at her core, not as good of a person as Gambit. I don't love the fact they've decided to do a sort of schism as schism was mostly annoying, but even without Genosha Rogue going this way isn't completely out of character. Gambit is actually the more inherently noble of the two despite the whole morally grey thief thing.
I also really liked how Xavier apologized to Rogue about hurting their friendship and it still wasn’t enough to keep her on his side. You can do everything to be on good terms, and sometime, it just isn’t enough.
Cyclops made his choice because of Jean, not because of Magneto. As per DeMayo, it was to stop the Prime Sentinels from coming online, not because he thinks Magneto is right. He already made his choice on Magneto earlier in the episode by refusing to go with him.
This. There's a reason they showed Jean and Scott's psychic bond and it was so he could save his family.
He didn’t save magneto because he sided with him, he did it because gold team wasn’t finished and the prime sentinels were still a huge threat
She's not going with Magneto from a romantic POV. She's going because of what she chose for mutants & how she wanted to be a part of their future as a leader, and she no longer believes that future should be with Charles's teachings or vision.
I think Rogue does not currently sees herself as a hero. She said it when she attacked the military base: she's not one of the good guys anymore. I'm glad they're allowing her to actually process this as a real person would, instead of writing off her anger after two episodes. She saw the love of her life die in front of her. She is scarred, and didn't had time to process any of it. It does make sense that she doesn't care to play nice anymore.
Rogue isn't going to stay with Mags long after what he just did to Logan. I think that was a momentary lapse of reason. Now mags did just take 3 6" blades through the torso... he shouldn't be able to just walk away from that.
My take on this is that the X-Men experienced a series of traumatic events and without time to process, are now forced to pick sides in which all options still lead to war. I think that Rogue's actions are relatable; she is operating on grief and PTSD. I think that we just assume that superheroes will keep picking the high road because that's how they've always been written but that ignores their humanity. I really can't see Rogue waking up and picking diplomacy after dropping Trask in a fit of rage. Not like coma comes with therapy. And if you think about it, the choice this time was diplomacy vs retaliation. In episode 5, the choice was between furthering human mutant relationships or her love.
I thought the other episodes were fast paced....holy shit.
I feel like they fit 3 story arcs in each episode lol. Clearly I'd love it if it was twice as long, but I won't even complain. This show is fucking amazing.
I absolutely want it to slow down, but I will withhold any complaints on that score for the first (and arguably second since I assume it was plotted and made at the same time) season. They may have thought they'd have no time. I hope now that its success is apparent that season 3 they SLOW DOWN a bit.
Holy shit they actually did it, Magneto and Wolverine and mutually assured destruction. There’s some weird/rushed plotting in this episode, but the personal stakes of the fight between Magneto and Xavier could not have been more palpable. What a perfect, jaw dropping cliffhanger to segue into the season finale. “Oh, how I’ve waited to say these two words to you, old friend: SHUT UP!”
I loved the delivery on that line too. Felt like magneto was genuinely tired of Xavier lmao
Its honestly kind of funny seeing him be so blunt for once. Like he's so tired of dealing with Xavier that he can't even be bothered to come up with a flowery Shakespearian spin for his words like he usually does.
Magneto previously has just been recovering every time thinking, "SHUT UP, CHARLES!!!! Oooh that would have been sweet"
Yeah, he nailed the inflection on the first bit of 'up' that conveyed a lifetime of suppressed "shut the fuck up chuck"'s
He was like, " Stfu Mr. Bald eagle. "
Bald Eagle was his Shi'ar name
In fairness? He's right. Xavier ran. He could've come back well before he did. He also saw the dream get put to the torch. He saw Xavier's way get slapped aside by humanity. So he is picking Asteroid M back up and having a go at it himself. If humans want everything to burn? Who is he to stand in their way?
Well okay, he didn't *run*. He got shot and his children made the choice to ship him to an inter-stellar empire with better healthcare.
He then stuck around because he was thinking maybe he could move on and help out on a much bigger interstellar stage while leaving the world to his closest friend that he had faith in. If Xavier had a flaw in doing what he did, it was being too much of an idealist.
> There’s some weird/rushed plotting in this episode For me, that's how it felt with Logan If it was in Pitch Meeting, it would be like: "So what does Wolverine do now?" "He delivers a violent quip and extends his claws in each one of his scenes!" "Wow wow wow, wow!" The ending was worth it though.
HOLY FUCK THEY DID THE THING
THEY DID EVERYTHING!
GIVE ME ONSLAUGHT
FATAL ATTRACTION!!!
They did like, all the things.
Scott's "What'd you expect, Black Leather?" callout will forever be one of my favourite lines in superhero media
I laughed at that line. Love the sass!
it also works as a direct callback to [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMr2p39-gvE) scene in the movies where they had Cyclops say "What would you have preferred, yellow spandex?", definitely shots fired. I love it because to me this is pretty much lovers of the superhero genre standing up for themselves, wonderfully well-written and deep stories can still be told to the masses without doing away with these charms that defined the genre.
Jaw on the floor. I **love** this show.
It's a side point in the episode, but honestly, Magneto telling Xavier to shut up? I felt it.
Yeah it's great how you can be totally on Xavier's side (on the topic of "Not killing the entire planet"), but totally feel Magneto's exasperation for having to deal with Xavier's impassioned speeches all the time.
I love the nuance that’s weaved in. Yea Xavier has a good idealistic heart, but he constantly gets fucked over because his enemies fight to win.
Yeah, it's amazing how much Xavier holds back when you think about it. He could have dealt with Magneto permanently in Episode 4 of TAS if he wanted too, he just refuses to do it because he thinks the world should be kinder than that.
HE FUCKING DID IT. HE TOOK HIS ADAMANTIUM. Blue and Gold Teams! Throwback costumes! Rogue and Sunspot joining Magneto! Cable going full telekinetic! and Morph Smash! I don't want to sound hyperbolic but it is this the greatest season of an animated series ever made?? It's up there
They took his adamantium. Can't have shit on Asteroid M.
For the love of god please let the finale be like an hour long or at least 45. This shows is soo good but it flies by soo fast.
I hope they do. There are too many things going into Episode 10 that the 33+ minute mark just can't be enough to fit in... right? You have the battle going on at Astroid M, the team fighting Bastion and the sentinels are losing, Jean might have just died (Phoenix incoming?), Cable is possessed by Sinister, Wolverine just got his adamantium ripped out... I genuinely can't predict where this is going.
Bishop for the hail mary time reversal anyone? His name was dropped this EP, and I think we've seen enough now to know nothing is coincidental.
I just take comfort that these episodes aren't 22 minute episodes like back in the day.
THIS. I'm so hyped for the finale but I can't stand the thought of us already being on the last episode and having to wait god knows how long for season 2. Plus all the fears of what the series will look like without Beau. I know there are a ton of writers and stuff still there, but I just hope they don't make the boneheaded move of bringing in someone who wants to put their "own stamp" on things to run the show. Whatever happened backstage, Beau and the team nailed this season and I hope they stick to this formula going forward. '97 is so worthy of the legacy that preceded it.
Season 2 is already recorded and in post at this point, it's planned on coming sometime next year, so Beau's vision for that one should be preserved. I think he had season 3 mapped out, I don't think the rest of the team is changing so I'm confident they'll keep it going.
I want to timeslide into May 15 immediately. I also absolutely love Scott and Jean's costumes. Really fits with 97's animation.
Same
Morph smash!
Honestly, seeing "Hulk" wreck Sentinels to the X-Men theme song gave me the best kind of chills. Smash 'em up, baby!
Ah yes, Logan fucked around and found out...
Bone claw wolverine coming soon
I don’t support Magneto’s actions, but with everything he has gone through, I think he’s the more understandable character. This season has really made me see Xavier in a new light - he is an idealist, but naively so, whereas Magneto’s realism was forged through suffering. Magneto tried to see the world Charles’ way, and was forced to witness another holocaust as a result. Meanwhile, Charles was living the good life in space, comes back once the damage is already done, and tries to preach? I’d want him to shut up as well. I wish there was another path than Magneto just becoming a textbook villain again, but this confrontation is the result of their choices. I’d like to see Cyclops stand somewhere in the middle - not as naive as Xavier, but not as ruthless as Magneto.
>I wish there was another path than Magneto just becoming a textbook villain again, but this confrontation is the result of their choices What Ororo says to Jean is really interesting in light of this, to be honest. the show hammers home that there are two dreams of two men who want what's best for mutantkind. But Storm says that all this change is all the same. They're still fighting back against human bigotry, leading to fighting Magneto because of it. How should they fight back? Ororo says, "We must believe - not in dreams, not in our gifts, but in each other." So I think that 'other path' is coming!
Yeah, the flaw with Xavier's dream is he's too much of an idealist to accept it won't come 100% true. So the best thing to do is make it a guiding star, like Ultimate X-Men after Ultimatum. Same with how Magneto has the right idea, but terrible ways of carrying it out. Which is why Scott as the middleman between these two beliefs is a popular interpretation, and it seems Ororo feels that way too, which is exciting.
This is who Magneto is and always has been at his best. He's an incredibly cathartic and compelling figure -- but he's a villain and he kind of needs to be, because what he fundamentally represents is the cycle of violence that results from marginalized rage, anger and resentment. Magneto is compelling because he's right about humanity in some ways, but "by any means necessary" is shorthand for "collective guilt/punishment" which is wrong. Charles is too idealistic, but his way is rooted in empathy and that is the superior path forward. Even if it's nonlinear, messy, and utopia isn't possible. I think what the show should explore next is the flaws in both magneto and xavier's worldview's, letting cyclops be the synethesis of them.
First Class got it right (idk if they’ve done this in the comics too but I’m just thinking the movie.) It shows Magneto as a child in a fucking concentration camp, meanwhile then it cuts to Xavier as a child in a fucking castle like mansion. Xavier has always been incredibly privileged and lucky. That’s why it’s always been so easy to understand Magneto and his perspective because he’s operating from a more realistic perspective. I honestly prefer them working together but after Xavier fucked off, I totally understand why he’s fucking pissed. Magneto really did try to live up to the ideals he was left with and look what it led too. I’m honestly surprised more of the X-Men didn’t side with him.
I mean no matter what, most of the team realize that Magneto is still hurting lots of innocent people with his actions. They may be a lot of apathetic or ignorant people but still inherently innocent; and hell Mag’s actions are so detrimental they likely killed mutants too. Also Mag’s trying to live up to those ideals didn’t lead to Genohsa, Bastion was gonna do that regardless. Love your pointing out First Class getting shit done well though; it’s a personal favorite of mine and I feel Disney get all the love it deserves.
Magneto did kill all of the Survivors of Genosha still on life support.
So Onslaught is coming, no?
easily. and Remy as Death
I know everyone is saying Fatal Attractions but I don’t think we’ll get Magneto ripping out Wolverines metal Edit after watching and in Arrested Development Narration voice - Magneto did in fact rip out Wolverines metal
lol
lol indeed
It'll be Magneto ripping out a lot of Bastion's metal edit: lol, lmao even
This aged well
Were you eating a bowl of cereal while you predicted this, only to spit it out in surprise?
Aged like milk buddy
You’ll never believe what happened (you’ve probably already seen it)
Me in the middle of the episode: wait they’re sending Logan to fight Magneto instead of going to the another team? That’s the worst idea ever. Me in the end of the episode: oh boy.
Jean’s “i love you” to Scott reminded me of Hellfire Gala when she died. I’m guessing she’s ascending to Phoenix again?
I think her mentioning the Phoenix in episodes 1 and 5 were laying the foundation. She knows on some level that they need extra firepower for this battle. Maybe she'll start going by Phoenix in season 2? If so, I think that would be a great way to show she's become stronger and won't be fainting again anytime soon. 😊
Wow what an episode. I’m not ready for the final ep next week. My life will be so empty. Anyways, here’s some thoughts: - new storm title card with her new outfit woo! - charles and scott having a lil father-son trifle. kinda reminds me of decimation era cyclops there. Rogue ain’t hearing charles out either. - loving the “new” old costumes here. and they do a decent job of explaining the change since they’re relocating to muir island for the meantime - man, Magneto describing how he watched leech get vaporized was dark af. RIP leech. Professor also gives a shout out to Moira’s death (she’s def not a mutant in this universe surprise surprise) - Wasn’t surprised with Rogue joining Magneto as a lot of people theorized but was not expecting Roberto to join too - Nice call back to gold and blue teams while they’re fighting the two front war against bastion and magneto - Morph Smash! Nice lil hulk easter egg - Sinister controlling cable was definitely a surprise but makes sense. He’s definitely showing a bit of “nate grey”here - Magneto calling Charles a race traitor and telling him to shut up. Common Magneto W - Holy cow they really went there. Fatal attraction. Xavier trying to amnesiac Eric but Cyclops stopping him. Episode ending with Magneto ripping the adamantium from logan’s body. - Last episode is gonna go crazy.
I don't think they know what to do with Roberto.
It a bit unfortunate how different this Roberto is to his comic counterpart but I’m still hoping that this’ll lead to a New mutants spinoff or something
This is early Roberto. He was an entitled rich jerk, and it took until mid 90s xforce until he got better through character growth.
I haven't read that story in the comics. Does the adamantium being ripped out kill Logan in the comics? Or does his healing powers pull him through?
He survived and they discovered that he always had the claws (made from his bone)
He survives but only b/c Jean holds him together, I guess that's Professor X's job this time.
Charles still got that helmet crushed on his head
I'm guessing it'll be Rogue this time round.
I fucking love xmen 97 man. Another all timer in a season of bangers. My boy Logan just got shredded yo. The mad bastards just went up and did it. What a time to be alive...
Holy shit. Absolute loss of words after that insane episode. What are they going to do to wrap this all up in one episode next week!?
Rouge: “None of you were there the day genosha fell” Nightcrawler: “am I a joke to you!?!”
He took a freaking massive beam to save her
She ain't thinking straight. I was wondering if they'd give her some dialogue with Nightcrawler on the asteroid about not fighting him because of their bond. Scrapping with Wolverine is fine because you can't really hurt him.
“Our long association, my most visceral enemy, my most respected foe… is over.” My most cherished panel in my entire collection.
Wow, it had me screaming at the end! The shot of the bloody claws was great! Definitely couldn't do that in the og show! And then, of course, right after we get one of the most iconic moments of xmen comics!!! Another banger episode, can't wait till next week!
God damn the X-men sending Wolverine after Magneto will never not be funny
lol How is there not one mind bright enough in that room to say “maybe don’t send metal man in to face man with metal powers”
I always get confused about Sinister's powers. So he can like turn into shadows?? I thought he just had like strong telepathy and could regenerate. I feel like they are similar to apocalypse, in that they aren't always clearly defined and depend upon the writer.
Yea Sinister basically has a ton of powers. In the comics it's explained he gives himself powers from experimented / captured mutants, so that is one easy reasoning they can use. The molecular manipulation of his own body could also simulate that type of "teleportation" in a way as well.
I think Morph drops that in a prior episode that Sinister has stolen mutant powers he's experimented on.
Sinister implanted himself with powers of various mutants he had experimented on. Which gives him shapeshifting, body-morphing, strong regenerative factor and more. He *likes* to pose a threat through his genetic experiments, but when push comes to shove he can be very dangerous in close combat.
I've had Pryde of the X-Men on the brain for a while and this episode just did all the things outside of filling out the last three members of that roster. The classic costumes, the return of Asteroid M, the countdown to Earth's destruction, Nightcrawler teleporting to the final boss room where Magneto is waiting... it was a trip.
ONSLAUGHT IS COMING
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>Just please don't kill the fuzzy blue twink in episode 10, I can't bear to see Kurt die You do know that Bastion's most famous action in the comics is impaling Nightcrawler through the chest right? And they'll probably want to top Magneto's feat in this episode next week so...
Eh I think he’s fine that comes MUCH later in the comics
So did the massacre on Genosha.
Exactly, which is why im afraid of Kurt dying :(
I don’t think Bastion was planning on Magneto. I think the comment about quiet was about how we would complain to his mother as a child about hearing the machines. Edit: ok op edited his comment lol I was originally not repeating the same thing back to him
X-Men movie: "Well, what would you prefer, yellow spandex?" XMen'97: "What did you expect? Black leather?" love the full circle XD
Bro Magento got hit by Holocaust Ray V2
"Shut up." - Magneto I love that line delivery, made me laugh a lot. But man, I absolutely love everything in this episode, everything seems so perfectly done. EPISODE 10 CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH AGHHHH
ALSO noticed Morph was referred to as "them" for the first time. Rogue might have chosen the bad guys, but she stills respects her team members' pronouns, what a queen 😌 💅.
Scott did in an earlier episode as well.
The bastion team seems somehwhat under equipped lol, like we sent beast to fight an army of sentinels and wolverine to fight the guy who controls metal?! But let’s be real we know why Wolverine was on the magneto team, as soon as I saw gold teams full crew in the ship I knew what scene we were getting lmao Rouge turning is gonna be a yikes from me, but she was the most logical. I have two pretty big complaints though, one is where are other mutants? Like isn’t magneto just gonna abandon the planet with the asteroid? It was kinda weird to go there and it’s just magneto rouge and Roberto lol, I get it’s more due to budget and pacing, they had to skip right to the magneto fight The other one that I truly can’t get is cyclops shooting the professor because gold team needs more time…like what? I’m assuming it’s because bastion has to be neutralized before they fix earth or else the prime sentinels all come back online, but that doesn’t mean the professor couldn’t like put magneto to sleep or something, shooting him and letting magneto go just makes absolutely no sense to me Especially with jeans message, he saw Nathan being under sinister control, and jeans only musters out a I love you, and this to him is “the team needs more time” and not “the other team is fucked we need to go help them” like that should’ve made him tell the professor knock out magneto rouge and Roberto and let’s rush to the others, not shoot the professor and let magneto do whatever I thought at first he shot the professor because he turned on them, like maybe he thought magneto was our only shot at stopping bastion or saving Jean and cable, that at least makes sense to me I genuinely can’t wrap my ahead around the logic in the moment Edit: from the source himself https://x.com/beaudemayo/status/1788118624903020792?s=46&t=VZSEbjzJBWOyXxPzgtd9Qg I think shooting the professor and letting magneto go in an attempt to deescalate the situation is poorly conveyed and some genuinely dumb writing
They foreshadowed it throughout the episode. The dialogue with Charles in the beginning, the moments with Jean/Cable, the psychic Convo he had literally minutes before about the other team. Scott is not willing to be the good soldier and sacrifice his family for the professor anymore. He saw Jean in trouble. He knows Jean wouldn't have reached out like that if her team was in a good spot. He knew that Charles was already prioritizing fixing earth over the other team; do you think he'd trust him to just "knock them out?" Especially if he thought the Prof felt he only had one shot at this.
Cyclops still have grudge against wolverine for assigning him to the team fights magento lol
I don't get the people saying that Rogue changes her mind every minute... She is still on her grief side as made obvious on her Xavier conversation... What changed? nothing, why people are taking her joining Magneto as she agreed to be her lover or some shit like that, she still picked Gambit and thinks about him, she joined for an entire different reason and it's the same mindset of the last episode we saw her.
HOLY HECK! WHAT AN EPISODE! Definitely this episodes are not giving us a little bit of room to breathe and that's great. I felt excited seeing Storm back in the intro and I was really happy to see her saving Jubilee (but I wish we could have seen both Roberto and Jubilee at the moment when the Sentinels turned off). And then I felt happy to see Rogue waking up, but after the conversations that Cyclops and Rogue had with Xavier, I was suspecting that something wasn't right at all. I have to be honest, I really wanted to see Rogue's reaction of Magneto being alive, but when he appeared with the asteroid was so badass. And then the division of the teams, Storm vs. the Sentinels was spectacular, Morph as >!Hulk!< was fantastic, Jean vs. Sinister terrific, and then... Cable goes off, the Sentinels had an uppercut over Storm and Forge (I'm just hoping he's not dead), and then Cable vs. Jean broke my heart, but the last minutes in the asteroid, WOW, just stole my hope, Cyclops attacking Charles, Wolverine going badass... when Beau said "Fatal Attractions is the homework of the week" and I was like "oh no... is not happening, right? RIGHT?" and then BOOM, I'm speechless. I was waiting for a little bit of hope after this episode, but now I'm really scare for everyone, can't wait to see what the finale has for us.
They did the thing, they finally allowed Wolverine to show his ass Also i loooved -the shoulder pads on Morph, it helps them look more like Colossus (a member of team gold in the comics) -Rouge called back to the first episode of X-Men when Morph didnt make it through the whole episode -lastly mind the weather and weather their minds \*chef's kiss
God, this show is still just so fun and fluid when it comes too action. Love Jean throwing bowling balls at Sinister. The fight scenes and uses of everyone's powers are so good. The Blue and Gold team stuff is very cool, but feels a little sudden? It's a bit like Maddy calling herself Maddy - has Scott just been brainstorming team names for whenever he needs them? That... actually kind of checks out for Scott, thinking about it lol. I'm... not entirely sure if the Sunspot defection was entirely earned? I like it in premise, but it feels very 0 to 100 to me? Like Jubilee has been pushing him every episode, but his mother got a little too mutantphobic and suddenly he's like "Actually, maybe let's burn everything down!"... Idk. It's good in premise, but the pacing *really* hurts that one in my opinion. The cliffhangers are excellent. I am endlessly curious where things will go from here, with Jean and Cable, Magneto and Logan, Morph and Beast, and everyone else.... I am not expecting them to kill off many people, but they've shone the guts that *someone* else dying feels very plausible to me and that's kind of crazy for a follow-up to X-Men TAS of all things lol.
> I'm... not entirely sure if the Sunspot defection was entirely earned? I like it in premise, but it feels very 0 to 100 to me? Like Jubilee has been pushing him every episode, but his mother got a little too mutantphobic and suddenly he's like "Actually, maybe let's burn everything down!"... Idk. It's good in premise, but the pacing really hurts that one in my opinion. I feel like Sunspot was never really down with the cause to begin with. So it doesn't really feel like a heel turn in that way. On the bright side, does this mean magneto will form the new mutants next season??
Oh, I'd love to see the New Mutants - Dani is one of my favourite comic characters period - though I don't know if this already packed show would have time for a full other team... It is interesting to see Sunspot and Magneto interacting though, as traditionally he's one of the more Magneto-skeptical ones during the Headmaster era, at least from what I recall...
Well his mother wasn't just mutant phobic, she handed him over to killer robots. She is the one who went from 0 to 100, going from "just stay out of sight" to "hands her own son over to the Gestapo/SS/insert genocidal cops here." My problem is more with how Sunspot's and Jubilee's actual fight is clearly a joke, basically one of those cartoon slapfights but with superpowers. Kinda doesn't fit at all with the intense drama of his defection or the overall battle.
Jubilee and Sunspot controlling plasma in different ways, reminded me of how Cyclops and Havok get spoofed all the time about how many instances they forget their powers don't work on each other - as they both manipulate solar radiation
YOU GUYS. HOLY HELL. * Rogue wearing Remy's trenchcoat....then taking it off to go with Magneto. Ugh, gut punch. Even though I definitely think Rogneto is done, it was still such salt in the wound. I don't think she'll stay though after seeing what Magento did do Wolverine, but it's hard to say, since Wolverine stabbed him first...which leads to... * Fatal Attractions FTW * Blue/Gold teams * Scott 100% knew what he was doing when he hit the professor. The Gold Team didn't need more time....he just wanted Magneto to win after feeling Jean's goodbye. You could tell in his voice, his excuse was half hearted at best. * Phoenix gonna Phoenix in the next episode, y'all. * What a cool twist with Sinister! Made SO much sense, of course he would have implanted a control device in the technovirus from the very start. And SO COOL seeing Cable show that side of him even a little bit. * I was surprised Roberto was on the team given he hasn't done much and they kept Jubes sidelines for years. Desperate times, I guess. * Bastion crying at his mother's side was a nice touch - humanizing him at every moment they can is the right choice. I guess his using old school sentinal tech on the island means his primes are indeed wiped out for now. * SO READY for next week!! LFG!!
It has nothing to do with Scott agreeing with Magneto, it was entirely about preventing the Prime Sentinels from coming back online. And especially after what Magneto did to Wolverine, there is no chance Scott would ever side with Magneto.
If that’s the correct read on the Scott moment I think it’s at best poorly conveyed He shed a tear when Maddie wasn’t who they found in the rubble in episode 7…but not for feeling Jean die? And if he wanted magneto to win because of that why even try and hide it? He just shot the professor, and that didn’t stop magneto from confining his ass just like everyone else. Coming up with a really weak excuse to a telepath makes very little sense The scene would be way more impactful if it embraced this logic and had the line he said reflect that instead of what you’re claiming is just a weak excuse The gold team also literally did need more time, which makes it more confusing as a viewer because it doesn’t come off as a bad excuse in theory https://x.com/beaudemayo/status/1788118624903020792?s=46&t=VZSEbjzJBWOyXxPzgtd9Qg And here’s the word from the source himself…he didn’t want magneto to win lmao, his line about gold team was genuine and he apparently believed letting magneto loose was the best way to deescalate the situation lmao
I’m just feeling emotions every time they play Storm’s “I’m about to show you what a goddess looks like” theme. The exchange between Jean and Storm is quite possibly one of my most favorites in the series. Next to “Shut up”
I haven’t seen it, but am making predictions because I can’t sleep but should. Magneto makes Astroid M. Xavier gathers the Xmen. Schism happens along those lines. Wolverine gets skeleton ripped and my 1/1000 bet is Jubilee goes vampire.
Spot on except for the vampire bit, well done