probably. it's very common for individuals and institutions (including universities) to invest in index funds that include hundreds of the biggest public companies, which almost always include weapons manufacturers
disclaimer: i havent checked myself
its an oversimplication of the situation. York has investments in companies that also have defense research and contracts. York does not directly fund or is not involved in those industries.
Its like saying because an electrical engineer works for General Electric in their household appliances section is a dirty baby murderer cause general electric also does defense contracting(Like the A-10 GAU-8 gatling gun)
Right, without anything specific this statement is meaningless and only serves to appeal to emotion. Do we support child labor for buying iPhones (Apple has been connected to child labor at some point in the past)? Do we support slavery because we drink Coka Cola or buy McDonald's (two brands who sponsored the Qatar world cup)?
My opinion and personal belief is that yes, we are supporting those things when we make those purchases and this is something that I think we all need to start reckoning with.
You ARE supporting slavery and climate destruction when you buy cheap chocolate from the grocery store. You ARE supporting the human and environmental devastation in the Congo when you buy a new phone.
It is up to us each individually to make these decisions every time we are faced with making a corporate purchase. We don't always have the option to make the humane/ethical choice but this is something we all need to own up to.
Every big Mac you gobble up comes with a very real human and environmental cost. It's time we own up to our choices.
Apartheid ended in South Africa when the boycotts and sanctions made it too expensive and inconvenient for white people to handle it any longer.
You're free to keep chugging that commercial swill/coco cola all you like, just don't act like you're special because you don't care about the human and environmental cost of our obsession with consumption, or as you call it "meaningless appeals to emotion'
It's impossible to avoid these decisions, so it's a meaningless virtual signal. We all do it and there's no way to opt out. You replied in this thread using a device that has precious minerals in it that have led to bloodshed and slavery in developing countries too.
You know what is a reasonable ask in terms of ethical change in society, asking them to vote or volunteer for it. You know what's not, telling consumers that they have to consume a certain way when the border line monopolistic market place offers so little choice. Especially when so many consumers do not financially speaking have the choice to do otherwise. Some of the boycott groups ask far too much
I think the belief that all such purchases of everyday items support or endorse distant horrible crimes against humanity in some way is ridiculous. I'll call this "association absolutism", because you're taking an absolute stance about how we are associated with horrible crimes via our everyday actions.
I think being an absolutist here is unreasonable, and we need to understand the idea of degrees of separation. I might get a resume printed for 50 cents at a print shop that buys their paper equipment from a company whose parent company 20 years ago partnered with a bank which builds some of its branches out of wood provided by a logging corporation that possibly fired people for being gay. Does that make me homophobic? See the idea?
Hence, "refused to divest from weapons manufacturing companies" is completely meaningless. It's ambiguous. There is no way to read that and have a sense of how many degrees of separation there are between York and "arming a genocide". And ON TOP OF THAT the poster is outright lying about a genocide taking place, and there is massive debate about whether the military actions in question are acceptable (there are valid reasons to say they are). So yeah, I don't see how you can see it as anything but an appeal to emotion.
It's the same as slide one. The reason why police were involved? Because in 2019 there was an event held by an Zionist club in vari Hall and there was the closest you could get to a riot without it being called a riot. There was a massive inquest and a lot of bad publicity, so of course anytime there's any Israel/Palestine events on campus there's going to a large show of force from security and tps
And what if they do? Northrup Grumman, Honeywell, Raytheon and the like have yielded decent returns to institutional investors over the years. Many university endowments (and pension plans, hedge funds) invest in those types of stocks.
A group within CUPE 3903, with the union's full support, instructed TAs to divert whatever their tutorials are actually supposed to be about to instead talk to their students about Palestine.
Just in case anyone isn't aware.
So tired of this bs. Straight from the document:
"...we must collectively refuse the current ‘status quo’"
"To partake in this action, refuse business as usual and join the campus-wide teach-ins on Palestine."
An explicit direction to do something.
I didn't say anyone was forced to do it. Obviously. That doesn't make it not an insane thing to write.
You don't know what words mean. The first is just a moral claim (about "the status quo", at that). It certainly doeant say, you need to teach about Palestine (which it never mentions). The second is a conditional claim. If you participate...
In neither case is there anything remotely like an instruction.
We know the meaning of instructed. And yes they were in a long email. The email was posted on this site by both people that followed and people that told them to stick the email up their hmm hmmm
Where are the protests and outrage for Sudan? Yemen? Syria? Myanmar? How about the Uigherys in China?
All of these conflicts have had many more innocents killed and displaced and have been ongoing for much longer. The double standard is insane.
All happening 👍 glad you don't give a shit enough to look though. Israel as a state is not synonymous with Jewish people. Criticism of the genocidal behaviour of the Israeli state and military is not synonymous with antisemitism and it's fucked up that you would equate the two. Are Jewish people who speak up and protest in defense of Palestinian victims of Genocide antisemitic? Is the ICJ antisemitic when they look at evidence and tell Israel to cease their genocidal actions? Is it antisemitic when news organizations highlight warcrimes being committed by the state? Fuck off.
You really just said "but these countries got away with genocide without media attention and global outrage so why can't Israel do it :(" bruh lol if your argument around why someone shouldn't oppose a genocide is whataboutism then you're kind of a horrible person?
You are priceless. Their point was, these other atrocities are occurring and the university does not allow teachers to talk about it. Quite frankly, university is a business. I've paid to learn about particular subjects. If it is not a political based course, then I don't care to hear a teacher speak about it in a class about math.
Another argument could be made the only reason people care about Palestine is because of anti Semitic attitudes.
If they want to book a hall and make a presentation, then they should be able too. That's not the argument though. They are being told to keep it out of their courses.
You and I both know that wasn't what they meant. Did york strictly prohibit discussion of the other mentioned genocides? No. Its not like theyve suddenly allowed this one be discussed becuase they hate Jewish people (which, btw, israel ≠ judaism). The person i replied to was insinuating the only reason people are bothered by this is because they're antisemitic and that if you didn't protest those but protest this (when realistically none of those got the same level of media attention and awareness) then you must be antisemitic, which is whataboutism.
It would be disengenous to downplay the anti sentimsm seen in the Pro Palestine movement especially at York. There's a reason Jewish students are speaking out about it and expressing concerns of discrimination and unsafety.
When you have protestors yelling in the middle of the school "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" and "resistance by any means nesecary" you'd have to be obtuse to not see the anti semetic rhetoric behind those expressions.
Not to mention the downplaying of the October 7th tragedies not only by students and faculty but even the students Union who is supposed to represent all students by the way.
I support Palestine but some of these posters come across as half truths. I’d like to know the story of the first one, and as for the second one, York only took problem with the union’s statement that implied (intentionally or not) that violence against any Israelis is justified. I personally feel that exaggerations only harm what is an important cause
York has poster requirements so I wonder if these posters were made per the university guidelines if they would stay (just a thought not looking for a fucking debate)
The Gulf States attract a lot of foreign investment, labour and visitors. I mean, it helps that they're just pumping money out of the ground, but it's there.
The gulf attracts slaves, not labourers LOL.
The West attracts real foreign investment, labourers and visitors. In all categories we dwarf them.
There's a reason nobody goes there to get educated.
So... you're saying no prominent Western universities have opened campuses in the gulf states? There's no major athletic events held there? No big tourist and investment money pouring in? No examples of western engineering?
Would you say it's an overactive imagination, or mass consumption of pharmaceutical products that influences your opinion of the world?
I'm from that part of the part of the world. Couldn't leave it fast enough.
There are plenty of things held there, but they are not a competition for the western world. Its not even close.
Oil money props what they have, it shows in their desperation to suddenly diversify. Only the Emiratis were smart enough to start it early enough.
Im not willing to subject my wife to summary execution or indefinite detainment for being raped by a royal family member but a lot of people choose greed over ethics. It’s better than it used to be, but make no mistake you have zero rights in those monarchy’s.
Were you aware that "your wife" is not "foreign investment, labour and visitors"?
Nor does "summary execution, rape and indefinite detainment" describe the experience most people have... visiting anywhere. (You think tourists don't get murdered and raped in the west?)
I mean... your comment rather takes the cake on 'solipsistic narcissism'
How many of your family members, exactly, have been indefinitely detained in Dubai? How many have been executed in Qatar?
I have the feeling a double amputee can count both sets on their fingers.
You are being inappropriately paranoid about a part of the world that is intentionally trying to be attractive to international visitors and investments: entirely comparable to Singapore, Monaco and Luxembourg.
Most Arab countries don’t even have woman’s rights yet, you know this right. I don’t even think it’s defensible in 2024 but go for it. Let’s see what an Arab oil money dictator simp can do.
Do you usually deal with being caught out on saying foolish things by moving the goal posts?
You responded to "People visit and invest in the Gulf States" by arguing your wife was going to be indefinitely detained AND summarily executed... and when I pointed out that didn't happen, now you want a moral defense of them.
Absolutely none of your blustering changes: people visit and invest in the gulf states.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36508590.amp
Not everyone forgets these horror stories. Western media typically doesn’t even cover them as to not to upset our oil suppliers.
Disgusting countries built on slave labor.
Lots of countries were built on slave labour. What's your point? Are you saying people shouldn't visit or invest in the United States? The United Kingdom?
Come on: how many of your family members have been indefinitely detained in Qatar?
The Gulf States would look like Afghanistan under the Taliban if it weren't for oil money. And within a generation of the oil money drying up they will again. That's the only thing driving investment, the foreign labour is basically indentured servants and often literal slaves and as soon as the oil money dries up, the tourists will stop coming as well.
Your projection for what it might look like in 200 years does nothing to change what it is like today, and the reality that your description of the world is wrong.
You said "Nobody's trying to build a better life in that part of the world (outside Israel)" and the Gulf states stand in stark contrast to that remark.
If anything, western money is trying really, really hard to get into that part of the world.
You're saying there's no examples of people who have chose to retire in the Gulf states as snow birds or the like? Really?
Also, plenty of people have exactly the relationship you've described with America and Canada, does that mean no one's interested in investing in North America? Or is that evidence that it's a dynamic, vital economy that people are interested in?
I don't disagree: a large part of the appeal is they are pumping money out of the ground in the form of oil, and investing it in infrastructure, creating a place people want to be. They certainly aren't making it out of nothing, or indigenous human capital, the way Israel, Singapore and Monaco did.
But it is exactly what I'm saying: a place, in the middle east, people want to be. And they are voluntarily attracting people from all over the world.
Are colonialism and "i don't want to live there" justifiable reasons to decimate a population and the land upon which they live? Genuine question. The stories people are telling themselves to justify the literal genocide of a population are absolutely wild
So. A genocide is when a population gets wiped out. That's not happeneing. What's currently happening is Palestine's longest running tradition - trying to annihilate Jews and getting their shit kicked in.
So by your definition the holocoust wasn't genocide because jewish people still exist? Aplogoies, you're justifying the *attempted genocide*. Is that better? Not going to get hung up on technicalities of language now?
It was an attempted genocide. I'm pretty sure the Jewish population still hasn't recovered. Whereas 18,000 out of 3,000,000 could only be considered a genocide if you don't understand what the word genocide means.
The definition of genocide is mass killing with the intent of destroying a population. It doesnt mean the population has to actually be destroyed. Maybe crack a dictionary or just google next time?
Please tell me you see a difference between organized death camps and civilian collateral in a legitimate war. Otherwise you’re a lost cause. It’s the intention that matters. I’d argue Hamas is more genocidal due to the fact that 10/7 was an intentional attack to kill as many Israelis as possible.
Sure, there's a difference in method of course. But just because one was more verbally proclaimed that it aimed to obliterate a population doesn't mean that the other isn't attempting the same. If israel has been trying to just "get hamas" or whatever, they must have some of the worst military out there. 30k people killed and how many were actually "hamas"? Even the IDF are claiming that its less than 1/3 of the death toll, and those numbers are likely inflated. Upon reflection though, maybe they are just really bad at war because they have also admitted that many casualties on October 7 [were their own fault.](https://thecradle.co/articles-id/13111). Hard to deny that they're at the very least carelessly trigger-happy and unbothered by the additional lives they're taking, be it palestinians or Israelis.
This never ceases to amaze me… The only reason Jerusalem has any significance in Islam is because it is an Abrahamic religion and an offshoot of Judaism and Christianity…
Because Egypt doesn’t want israel to push the Palestinians into sinai, thereby displacing them for good with no way of getting back to their land. You know, like they did in 1948.
how do we know? combatants never wear uniforms except when they make parade videos. and the gaza health ministry doesnt distinguish between combatants and innocents, or between 7 year olds and 17 year olds
i mean yeah, israel is *targeting* civilians.
they are using hamas as an excuse to do so.
they may kill some hamas fighters occasionally, but there have been multiple attacks on palestinians in the west bank, which hamas has no access to
that and the disproportionate attacks on civil institutions in gaza shows that they do not care about minimizing civilian casualties, arguably it appears as though they're looking to maximize them
Why would that still justify killing innocent people? Genuinely curious on your thought process. Both the Israeli government and Hamas are at fault, but why should civilians on both sides have to pay the consequences? I can't see how killing and kidnapping can be justified by either side
Its sort of like a big guy walking around school with a sign that says "I will break your arm if you fuck with me". Everyone knows not to fuck with him, then one day someone breaks a chair over his head, so the dude grabs him and breaks his arm. Everyone knew this would be the response, Hamas knew this attack would mean the destruction of Gaza, and they did it anyways, now they fucked around and they will find out. Justified? Probably not, but Israel is following through.
Well no, unless Israel started attacking every country in the world. One group attacked Israel for the umpteenth time and this time they won't stop until Hamas can never do it again....
Why would you negotiate with terrorists? Why don’t the civilians turn over the terrorists? Why do the civilians cheer on the rocket attacks and beat hostages in public? Obviously there are innocents but the entire culture is heavily indoctrinated. It’s a harsh reality, they live to kill Jews. No other Arab countries want Palestinians because they create insurrection/instability everywhere. Look at egypts new wall. It’s a joke to think Palestine doesn’t need to freed from Hamas.
Right, but you're saying it's the terrorists' fault for the death of the civilians, while completely deferring the blame from the people who are actually doing the killing. It sounds like you're justifying the Israeli government's actions and fully blaming Hamas, despite both having a role in the death of civilians.
Also even if the Hamas member casualties significantly inflated the death toll (which I doubt, given that the majority are still civilians and Hamas is not large enough to inflate the numbers that much), there are still tons of civilians being killed or displaced. Even if the numbers aren't accurate, I believe it's wrong to dismiss all those that actually are being affected.
Again, not tryna argue, but rather understand your perspective.
I would say what you aren't bringing up is "Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians as human shields."
After committing a horrific war crime against Israel, they've squirrelled away in their bunkers, and are leaving the Palestinians in between them and the Israelis... who are traumatized and, understandably, want retribution and justice.
What the world should have done was denounce the war crime that was perpetrated against Israel back in October, and insist that Hamas leadership be handed over to the Hague for war crime trials. And bring diplomatic pressure to bear against those states that specifically protect Hamas leadership (Hello Qatar.)
The world could have made it an international responsibility to purge the bandits out of Gaza, and in to court rooms to answer for their criminality.
Instead, the world sat around wringing its hands at the awfulness, or cackling with maniacal glee at the idea of Israeli suffering... and the inevitable consequence... that Israel was going to siege Gaza, and allow for the mass killing and suffering of Hamas' human shields, has been allowed to play out.
Very true. A lot could have gone differently had there been external intervention, and even now. Although I do think that's wishful thinking given history. I am by no means justifying Hamas using civilians as shields. I think their actuals are also wrong and evil. On the other hand, the Israeli government is definitely aware that civilians will be collateral, yet that doesn't deter them. That's something I think people overlook, that just because Hamas is using innocent lives as shields, does not take away the guilt of the government.
If not justified, the actions of both sides can at the very least be understood. In this war, the actions taken by both sides have reasons, it's not meaningless murder at first. The retaliation, self-defense, and ensuring future safety of Israel, and also the long-lasting oppression and desire for freedom and liberty of Palestinians is understandable. It's the actions that are probably unjustified.
I really don't think anyone has the solution to this though, let alone anyone on Reddit, especially myself lol. And even if a solution did exist, such as what you proposed, the world has little incentive to intervene given the selfish nature of our nations.
Despite what some say about the situation not being complicated and one side good one side bad, it really is a complex situation.
>israel is *targeting* civilians.
This is simply incorrect. They target military targets, and end up killing civilians. Yes, their military actions are heavily controlled by the confines of international law, which they are very much subject to. Willfully and systemically committing war crimes is a huge risk for them and they have all the incentive to avoid doing so. Optics matter, the ICJ matters, financial support from America matters, and third party reports that have the potential to unveil war crimes matter. They're under the heavy scrutiny of the entire world (disproportionately so) and there hasn't been good evidence that their bombings have 1. targeted civilians or 2. been indiscriminate.
Yes because they are hiding under hospitals and schools, a small % are Hamas, but the people are actively aiding them and hoisting them up. Otherwise they would be overthrown, when the original attacks happened there was cheering and dancing in the streets. Fuck around with Israel and find out.
Bombing schools and hospitals is not how you stop terrorists. If those terrorists were in Israel, in Israeli hospitals and schools, would they bomb them? Would they cut off food and water to those neighborhoods?
Of course not. It's a genocide and their leaders have literally said so. They celebrated the murderer settler who shot up a mosque.
>Bombing schools and hospitals is not how you stop terrorists.
Yes it is, if they're strongly linked to Hamas. Al-Shifa housed a Hamas command center, so yes, bombing it was an important step in stopping Hamas.
>If those terrorists were in Israel, in Israeli hospitals and schools, would they bomb them? Would they cut off food and water to those neighborhoods?
Probably not. Any democratic government acts in the interest of its people. Israel prioritizing the lives of Israelis proves they're a democracy I guess?
>It's a genocide
Factually incorrect for a lot of reasons.
>their leaders have literally said so
No they haven't. No Israeli leader at any point said they're committing a genocide.
What some of them have done is make statements that can be considered genocidal statements. Again though, it's a democracy, and what a leader says is completely different from what the government actually does. If you think a leader's psychopathic statement reflects on the whole country's stances as a whole, I'll start listing out insane shit Trump has said and ask you if those have been America's positions. Israel is subject to the wishes of its people, to the international community (which they have EVERY incentive to appease), and to international law - one insane leader (or a few) obviously isn't going to circumvent all that.
Hamas is only labeled a terror group by western governments that at their formation could also (by definition) be considered a terror group so forgive me if I don’t abide by that labelling.
For the 1st poster, learned this while in university.
Unlawful Assemblies and Riots
Marginal note:Unlawful assembly
63 (1) An unlawful assembly is an assembly of three or more persons who, with intent to carry out any common purpose, assemble in such a manner or so conduct themselves when they are assembled as to cause persons in the neighbourhood of the assembly to fear, on reasonable grounds, that they
(a) will disturb the peace tumultuously; or
(b) will by that assembly needlessly and without reasonable cause provoke other persons to disturb the peace tumultuously.
Marginal note:Lawful assembly becoming unlawful
(2) Persons who are lawfully assembled may become an unlawful assembly if they conduct themselves with a common purpose in a manner that would have made the assembly unlawful if they had assembled in that manner for that purpose.
Marginal note:Exception
(3) Persons are not unlawfully assembled by reason only that they are assembled to protect the dwelling-house of any one of them against persons who are threatening to break and enter it for the purpose of committing an indictable offence therein.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 64
Marginal note:Riot
64 A riot is an unlawful assembly that has begun to disturb the peace tumultuously.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-7.html
3 or more is low, but its the law
I mean.. obviously a professor has a bigger platform to inform young minds if they stay a professor. It would be significantly harder to make any kind of difference without that platform and also no money lmao
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-plans-to-build-3-300-new-settlement-homes-it-says-its-a-response-to/article_8146833d-a91e-5b1d-8c6d-3060db4034fd.amp.html
If building 3300 homes on the west bank isn't colonialism what is lol.
Freaking stupid. How does that cabinet minister not know how bad this looks? These settlements make it so much harder to believe they care about the self determination of Palestinians. This is the single biggest red mark against them.
They never did, this entire war was the perfect excuse for Netanyahu to finish off Palestine. Mark my words that by the end of next year Palestine won't exist. This entire war is just the justification for an invasion and dissolution of the Palestine state.
Saudi detained a woman for displaying a Palestinian flag in front of Kaba. Even they don’t have time for this but here we are ruining a place of knowledge because liberalism exists. Stop gaslighting people, Canada is a country with extreme diversity. This is how riots happens when other countries’ Internal conflicts/civil wars are brought to this country.
They did that because its a holy site which is no place for a man made flag, ur point holds no weight. Speaking out and spreading awareness isn’t gonna “start riots”
Why don’t you “Canadians” get concerned about our indigenous population!! We were effected by genocide first ya know!!! Still facing the effects of it today!!! Just my opinion!! If you’d help us maybe I’d give a darn.
They keep saying anti Zionism isn't not antisemetism yet they keep attacking and targetting Jewish students and writing on washroom antisemetic slogans.
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Why don't you go fight for Palestine in Palestine then . Oh, right, you like living in your first world country with your first world amenities and 'education.'
I never said anything about effectiveness or results, just that condemning someone for advocating for something but not going all out and trying to fix it themselves is a bit silly
Raised fist. It's supposed to be a symbol of the lower-class revolt as described by Marx. A lot of socialists still use it.
https://preview.redd.it/7xzsu04r80lc1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=d0e1d66f53e36b8af26d66a92e1b15d9d731ff3d
The raised fist is a symbol of solidarity, and is in no way limited to representing communists. It’s used across many leftist tendencies, labour groups, and anti colonial movements.
"boohoo I disagree with these political views so I have to try and cancel something"
Get the fuck over it. Both sides are terrorists. Why the fuck do we care about two terrorist groups going at each other's necks?
Because one is committing genocide at an unfathomable rate and is one of the worst humanitarian crises in the modern era holy fuck what are you talking about. Not to mention Israel is actively committing war crimes and violating international law on several fronts outside of just the genocide. What an obscenely intellectually lazy question. People like you make me understand how the Nazi regime and South African Apartheid was so successful.
[why you lying](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/534d4d15e4b0458a1fec3b4e/t/652872b0a266b0042143437f/1697149616600/Statement+of+Solidarity+with+Palestine.pdf)
I don't like the "colonial" stuff. It's an ambiguous buzz word. They should have focused on the right to free speech, freedom of expression, peace, love, harmony, unjust war, etc.
Trying to denigrate Canadians by calling us colonialists is not the proper way to get us to listen to you. Take a breath, think about your audience, think about who will actually see your poster, realise you're in Toronto, then formulate a banger of a poster.
Otherwise you're inviting trolls to correct you: the raised fist and dove are conflicting symbolisms; subvert has a negative connotation; Muhannad Ayyash's publications mostly deal with interpreting the Bible, so kind of a bizarre person to quote.
It's not vague or a buzzword just because you don't like it and it makes you uncomfortable. There's a concrete history and pattern of behaviour when it comes to colonialism and ethnic cleansing. It's not new.
Who cares about generations of people getting killed? Who cares about an apartheid state illegally occupying people? «who cares about Palestine am i right? who gives a fuck if innocent people are being massacred in the name of hamas.»
What a shitty person you are.
Nobody is talking about going to palestine. well it's not like I can, thanks to shitty israel controlling who goes in and who goes out.
You asked who cares, and I responded why. What is "funny" about what I just said? do you think the killings of over 20, 000 men, women, and children is funny? What if it were your family? Would you care then? obviously not, right, cuz who gives a shit about families being massacred.
who cares about palestine = I don't want to learn about israel's disgusting history.
clearly you don't understand what I explained in my previous comment. Maybe read some ACTUAL news articles and you will see the severity of the situation?
I do not want to go back and forth with you. have a good life.
I am 70 years old. I know some shit. If people speak against the flavour of the week it doesn’t make them a racist. You people are soft. Your mother probably told you that you are special. Well you are not !
York just needs to expel the terrorist sympathizers. There is no place for that in higher education.
Gaza could be thriving if they stopped launching rockets at Israel and just started drilling their offshore oil. Too bad Hamas is just a tool of Iran to spread terror.
It’s not about Jewish people. It is about a fascist, genocidal, apartheid state called Israel. How on Earth are literal new born babies terrorists? How is a school girl or boy, in their classroom, a terrorist? The father and mother, grandparents and grandmothers?
You are exposing the disgusting double standards. Palestinians ARE HUMANS. Calling Palestinians trash humans exposes your mentality that it’s okay Palestinians are being killed because THEY ARE NOT WORTH BEING ALIVE.
You have never met a Palestinian in real life because if you did you would know they are the kindest, courageous, and most loving people.
Don’t tell me they are terrorists. Tell me what you really believe, that they are not humans and it’s okay to kill them. JUST SAY IT.
Nobody has anything against Jews. We have a problem with Zionism. FYI, netenyahu called Lula a holocaust DENIER for speaking up about Palestine when he woke about it multiple times, visited the holocaust museum and MORE. They are brainwashing people just like YOU and when they are getting called out they are calling people anti semites.
Please learn more about the conflict. HISTORY STARTED BEFORE OCTOBER 7. What happened in haiti, when the slaves revolted against their white colonialist masters? PEOPLE DIED. I am not condoning murder of ANY PERSON.
Did you know that Israel has harvested organs of Palestinians? They kill children for no reason at all! They bomb hospitals !!And they document it all on social media!
When ALL of you open your eyes you will see the truth.
From the River to the Sea Palestine WILL be Free 🇵🇸 God Bless Palestine ❤️🇵🇸
Wait does York actually invest money in a weapons manufacturing company? (Slide 3)
probably. it's very common for individuals and institutions (including universities) to invest in index funds that include hundreds of the biggest public companies, which almost always include weapons manufacturers disclaimer: i havent checked myself
We should listen to this guy. He seems pretty reasonable.
its an oversimplication of the situation. York has investments in companies that also have defense research and contracts. York does not directly fund or is not involved in those industries. Its like saying because an electrical engineer works for General Electric in their household appliances section is a dirty baby murderer cause general electric also does defense contracting(Like the A-10 GAU-8 gatling gun)
Right, without anything specific this statement is meaningless and only serves to appeal to emotion. Do we support child labor for buying iPhones (Apple has been connected to child labor at some point in the past)? Do we support slavery because we drink Coka Cola or buy McDonald's (two brands who sponsored the Qatar world cup)?
My opinion and personal belief is that yes, we are supporting those things when we make those purchases and this is something that I think we all need to start reckoning with. You ARE supporting slavery and climate destruction when you buy cheap chocolate from the grocery store. You ARE supporting the human and environmental devastation in the Congo when you buy a new phone. It is up to us each individually to make these decisions every time we are faced with making a corporate purchase. We don't always have the option to make the humane/ethical choice but this is something we all need to own up to. Every big Mac you gobble up comes with a very real human and environmental cost. It's time we own up to our choices. Apartheid ended in South Africa when the boycotts and sanctions made it too expensive and inconvenient for white people to handle it any longer. You're free to keep chugging that commercial swill/coco cola all you like, just don't act like you're special because you don't care about the human and environmental cost of our obsession with consumption, or as you call it "meaningless appeals to emotion'
It's impossible to avoid these decisions, so it's a meaningless virtual signal. We all do it and there's no way to opt out. You replied in this thread using a device that has precious minerals in it that have led to bloodshed and slavery in developing countries too.
You know what is a reasonable ask in terms of ethical change in society, asking them to vote or volunteer for it. You know what's not, telling consumers that they have to consume a certain way when the border line monopolistic market place offers so little choice. Especially when so many consumers do not financially speaking have the choice to do otherwise. Some of the boycott groups ask far too much
I think the belief that all such purchases of everyday items support or endorse distant horrible crimes against humanity in some way is ridiculous. I'll call this "association absolutism", because you're taking an absolute stance about how we are associated with horrible crimes via our everyday actions. I think being an absolutist here is unreasonable, and we need to understand the idea of degrees of separation. I might get a resume printed for 50 cents at a print shop that buys their paper equipment from a company whose parent company 20 years ago partnered with a bank which builds some of its branches out of wood provided by a logging corporation that possibly fired people for being gay. Does that make me homophobic? See the idea? Hence, "refused to divest from weapons manufacturing companies" is completely meaningless. It's ambiguous. There is no way to read that and have a sense of how many degrees of separation there are between York and "arming a genocide". And ON TOP OF THAT the poster is outright lying about a genocide taking place, and there is massive debate about whether the military actions in question are acceptable (there are valid reasons to say they are). So yeah, I don't see how you can see it as anything but an appeal to emotion.
It's the same as slide one. The reason why police were involved? Because in 2019 there was an event held by an Zionist club in vari Hall and there was the closest you could get to a riot without it being called a riot. There was a massive inquest and a lot of bad publicity, so of course anytime there's any Israel/Palestine events on campus there's going to a large show of force from security and tps
And what if they do? Northrup Grumman, Honeywell, Raytheon and the like have yielded decent returns to institutional investors over the years. Many university endowments (and pension plans, hedge funds) invest in those types of stocks.
I guess they never want to work for municipal governments. Cause you wouldn't believe the shit OMERS invests in.
Such as?
Me investing in index funds = funding weapon of mass destruction
No! It is complete garbage. The posters are misleading and there was attention and shock value.
Absolutely! Also Hulk Hogan did 9/11. Any research you do that is contrary to my opinion is racist because I am 5% oppressed.
If they do that's fucking dope.
Yeah that’s fire bro. So rad.
It is. I actually just spent $2500 with a weapons manufacturer :3 Just because you disagree with something doesn't make it bad.
That’s so lord of war
Because I bought new hunting tools it's Lord of war? Lmao my guy .. that's kind of sad.
Trying to have constructive conversation here is a waste of time
This comment section is about what I expected
r/yorku when it comes to social/political issues suddenly turns into the NSDAP
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A group within CUPE 3903, with the union's full support, instructed TAs to divert whatever their tutorials are actually supposed to be about to instead talk to their students about Palestine. Just in case anyone isn't aware.
Not that they aren't aware, they just don't care.
"Instructed", meaning "directed or commanded someone to do something" This is a lie.
So tired of this bs. Straight from the document: "...we must collectively refuse the current ‘status quo’" "To partake in this action, refuse business as usual and join the campus-wide teach-ins on Palestine." An explicit direction to do something. I didn't say anyone was forced to do it. Obviously. That doesn't make it not an insane thing to write.
You don't know what words mean. The first is just a moral claim (about "the status quo", at that). It certainly doeant say, you need to teach about Palestine (which it never mentions). The second is a conditional claim. If you participate... In neither case is there anything remotely like an instruction.
We know the meaning of instructed. And yes they were in a long email. The email was posted on this site by both people that followed and people that told them to stick the email up their hmm hmmm
Did the email command them to deliver content on Palestine?
Are we surprised? York U has always had a very anti-Semitic executive
Discussing Genocide of Palestinians isn't antisemitic. It's the moral imperative of all human beings to denounce genocide.
Where are the protests and outrage for Sudan? Yemen? Syria? Myanmar? How about the Uigherys in China? All of these conflicts have had many more innocents killed and displaced and have been ongoing for much longer. The double standard is insane.
All happening 👍 glad you don't give a shit enough to look though. Israel as a state is not synonymous with Jewish people. Criticism of the genocidal behaviour of the Israeli state and military is not synonymous with antisemitism and it's fucked up that you would equate the two. Are Jewish people who speak up and protest in defense of Palestinian victims of Genocide antisemitic? Is the ICJ antisemitic when they look at evidence and tell Israel to cease their genocidal actions? Is it antisemitic when news organizations highlight warcrimes being committed by the state? Fuck off.
You really just said "but these countries got away with genocide without media attention and global outrage so why can't Israel do it :(" bruh lol if your argument around why someone shouldn't oppose a genocide is whataboutism then you're kind of a horrible person?
You are priceless. Their point was, these other atrocities are occurring and the university does not allow teachers to talk about it. Quite frankly, university is a business. I've paid to learn about particular subjects. If it is not a political based course, then I don't care to hear a teacher speak about it in a class about math. Another argument could be made the only reason people care about Palestine is because of anti Semitic attitudes. If they want to book a hall and make a presentation, then they should be able too. That's not the argument though. They are being told to keep it out of their courses.
You and I both know that wasn't what they meant. Did york strictly prohibit discussion of the other mentioned genocides? No. Its not like theyve suddenly allowed this one be discussed becuase they hate Jewish people (which, btw, israel ≠ judaism). The person i replied to was insinuating the only reason people are bothered by this is because they're antisemitic and that if you didn't protest those but protest this (when realistically none of those got the same level of media attention and awareness) then you must be antisemitic, which is whataboutism.
It would be disengenous to downplay the anti sentimsm seen in the Pro Palestine movement especially at York. There's a reason Jewish students are speaking out about it and expressing concerns of discrimination and unsafety. When you have protestors yelling in the middle of the school "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" and "resistance by any means nesecary" you'd have to be obtuse to not see the anti semetic rhetoric behind those expressions. Not to mention the downplaying of the October 7th tragedies not only by students and faculty but even the students Union who is supposed to represent all students by the way.
Not YorkU. CUPE.
Based.
I support Palestine but some of these posters come across as half truths. I’d like to know the story of the first one, and as for the second one, York only took problem with the union’s statement that implied (intentionally or not) that violence against any Israelis is justified. I personally feel that exaggerations only harm what is an important cause
York has poster requirements so I wonder if these posters were made per the university guidelines if they would stay (just a thought not looking for a fucking debate)
Maybe yalĺ should focus on school instead of neverending geopolitical hate and propaganda. (From both sides)
I’m sure this will be a civil comment section 😁
Most of the “commenters” don’t even go here and aren’t even Canadian. The bot farm gets activated when someone mentions Palestine.
Imagine screeching about colonialism on behalf of the people that built the Al Aqsa mosque on top of the Temple Mount....
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The Gulf States attract a lot of foreign investment, labour and visitors. I mean, it helps that they're just pumping money out of the ground, but it's there.
The gulf attracts slaves, not labourers LOL. The West attracts real foreign investment, labourers and visitors. In all categories we dwarf them. There's a reason nobody goes there to get educated.
So... you're saying no prominent Western universities have opened campuses in the gulf states? There's no major athletic events held there? No big tourist and investment money pouring in? No examples of western engineering? Would you say it's an overactive imagination, or mass consumption of pharmaceutical products that influences your opinion of the world?
I'm from that part of the part of the world. Couldn't leave it fast enough. There are plenty of things held there, but they are not a competition for the western world. Its not even close. Oil money props what they have, it shows in their desperation to suddenly diversify. Only the Emiratis were smart enough to start it early enough.
Im not willing to subject my wife to summary execution or indefinite detainment for being raped by a royal family member but a lot of people choose greed over ethics. It’s better than it used to be, but make no mistake you have zero rights in those monarchy’s.
Were you aware that "your wife" is not "foreign investment, labour and visitors"? Nor does "summary execution, rape and indefinite detainment" describe the experience most people have... visiting anywhere. (You think tourists don't get murdered and raped in the west?) I mean... your comment rather takes the cake on 'solipsistic narcissism'
It can happen anywhere but it sure isn’t state sponsored.
How many of your family members, exactly, have been indefinitely detained in Dubai? How many have been executed in Qatar? I have the feeling a double amputee can count both sets on their fingers. You are being inappropriately paranoid about a part of the world that is intentionally trying to be attractive to international visitors and investments: entirely comparable to Singapore, Monaco and Luxembourg.
Most Arab countries don’t even have woman’s rights yet, you know this right. I don’t even think it’s defensible in 2024 but go for it. Let’s see what an Arab oil money dictator simp can do.
Do you usually deal with being caught out on saying foolish things by moving the goal posts? You responded to "People visit and invest in the Gulf States" by arguing your wife was going to be indefinitely detained AND summarily executed... and when I pointed out that didn't happen, now you want a moral defense of them. Absolutely none of your blustering changes: people visit and invest in the gulf states.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36508590.amp Not everyone forgets these horror stories. Western media typically doesn’t even cover them as to not to upset our oil suppliers. Disgusting countries built on slave labor.
Lots of countries were built on slave labour. What's your point? Are you saying people shouldn't visit or invest in the United States? The United Kingdom? Come on: how many of your family members have been indefinitely detained in Qatar?
The Gulf States would look like Afghanistan under the Taliban if it weren't for oil money. And within a generation of the oil money drying up they will again. That's the only thing driving investment, the foreign labour is basically indentured servants and often literal slaves and as soon as the oil money dries up, the tourists will stop coming as well.
Your projection for what it might look like in 200 years does nothing to change what it is like today, and the reality that your description of the world is wrong. You said "Nobody's trying to build a better life in that part of the world (outside Israel)" and the Gulf states stand in stark contrast to that remark. If anything, western money is trying really, really hard to get into that part of the world.
The labour that goes there doesn't stay. They send money to their families and then leave when they've made enough.
You're saying there's no examples of people who have chose to retire in the Gulf states as snow birds or the like? Really? Also, plenty of people have exactly the relationship you've described with America and Canada, does that mean no one's interested in investing in North America? Or is that evidence that it's a dynamic, vital economy that people are interested in? I don't disagree: a large part of the appeal is they are pumping money out of the ground in the form of oil, and investing it in infrastructure, creating a place people want to be. They certainly aren't making it out of nothing, or indigenous human capital, the way Israel, Singapore and Monaco did. But it is exactly what I'm saying: a place, in the middle east, people want to be. And they are voluntarily attracting people from all over the world.
I wasn't expecting a pro fossil fuel reply 👏
Are colonialism and "i don't want to live there" justifiable reasons to decimate a population and the land upon which they live? Genuine question. The stories people are telling themselves to justify the literal genocide of a population are absolutely wild
So. A genocide is when a population gets wiped out. That's not happeneing. What's currently happening is Palestine's longest running tradition - trying to annihilate Jews and getting their shit kicked in.
So by your definition the holocoust wasn't genocide because jewish people still exist? Aplogoies, you're justifying the *attempted genocide*. Is that better? Not going to get hung up on technicalities of language now?
It was an attempted genocide. I'm pretty sure the Jewish population still hasn't recovered. Whereas 18,000 out of 3,000,000 could only be considered a genocide if you don't understand what the word genocide means.
The definition of genocide is mass killing with the intent of destroying a population. It doesnt mean the population has to actually be destroyed. Maybe crack a dictionary or just google next time?
Please tell me you see a difference between organized death camps and civilian collateral in a legitimate war. Otherwise you’re a lost cause. It’s the intention that matters. I’d argue Hamas is more genocidal due to the fact that 10/7 was an intentional attack to kill as many Israelis as possible.
Sure, there's a difference in method of course. But just because one was more verbally proclaimed that it aimed to obliterate a population doesn't mean that the other isn't attempting the same. If israel has been trying to just "get hamas" or whatever, they must have some of the worst military out there. 30k people killed and how many were actually "hamas"? Even the IDF are claiming that its less than 1/3 of the death toll, and those numbers are likely inflated. Upon reflection though, maybe they are just really bad at war because they have also admitted that many casualties on October 7 [were their own fault.](https://thecradle.co/articles-id/13111). Hard to deny that they're at the very least carelessly trigger-happy and unbothered by the additional lives they're taking, be it palestinians or Israelis.
Holy shit you have no idea how racist you are while crying foul.
I never criticized a race. Skin colour is irrelevant to anything.
This never ceases to amaze me… The only reason Jerusalem has any significance in Islam is because it is an Abrahamic religion and an offshoot of Judaism and Christianity…
That's 3rd rate propaganda right there. Anyone with a brain can see through it. At least they tried, I guess.
Why do Muslim countries build barbed wire barricades and not take in any Palestinians?
Because Egypt doesn’t want israel to push the Palestinians into sinai, thereby displacing them for good with no way of getting back to their land. You know, like they did in 1948.
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Hamas members make a small % of the Palestine population doh.... there are wayyy more innocent people dying than actual Hamas members.
how do we know? combatants never wear uniforms except when they make parade videos. and the gaza health ministry doesnt distinguish between combatants and innocents, or between 7 year olds and 17 year olds
i mean yeah, israel is *targeting* civilians. they are using hamas as an excuse to do so. they may kill some hamas fighters occasionally, but there have been multiple attacks on palestinians in the west bank, which hamas has no access to that and the disproportionate attacks on civil institutions in gaza shows that they do not care about minimizing civilian casualties, arguably it appears as though they're looking to maximize them
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Why would that still justify killing innocent people? Genuinely curious on your thought process. Both the Israeli government and Hamas are at fault, but why should civilians on both sides have to pay the consequences? I can't see how killing and kidnapping can be justified by either side
Its sort of like a big guy walking around school with a sign that says "I will break your arm if you fuck with me". Everyone knows not to fuck with him, then one day someone breaks a chair over his head, so the dude grabs him and breaks his arm. Everyone knew this would be the response, Hamas knew this attack would mean the destruction of Gaza, and they did it anyways, now they fucked around and they will find out. Justified? Probably not, but Israel is following through.
A better comparison would be if the "big guy" broke everyone in the school's arm. Which would of course be fucking ridiculous
Well no, unless Israel started attacking every country in the world. One group attacked Israel for the umpteenth time and this time they won't stop until Hamas can never do it again....
Except they're killing tens of thousands of civilians? It's not only the perpetrators being killed.
Why would you negotiate with terrorists? Why don’t the civilians turn over the terrorists? Why do the civilians cheer on the rocket attacks and beat hostages in public? Obviously there are innocents but the entire culture is heavily indoctrinated. It’s a harsh reality, they live to kill Jews. No other Arab countries want Palestinians because they create insurrection/instability everywhere. Look at egypts new wall. It’s a joke to think Palestine doesn’t need to freed from Hamas.
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Wait so if I kidnap you and the cops kill you while trying to get me, that’s my fault you died and not the police’s? You’re genuinely insane brother
Right, but you're saying it's the terrorists' fault for the death of the civilians, while completely deferring the blame from the people who are actually doing the killing. It sounds like you're justifying the Israeli government's actions and fully blaming Hamas, despite both having a role in the death of civilians. Also even if the Hamas member casualties significantly inflated the death toll (which I doubt, given that the majority are still civilians and Hamas is not large enough to inflate the numbers that much), there are still tons of civilians being killed or displaced. Even if the numbers aren't accurate, I believe it's wrong to dismiss all those that actually are being affected. Again, not tryna argue, but rather understand your perspective.
I would say what you aren't bringing up is "Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians as human shields." After committing a horrific war crime against Israel, they've squirrelled away in their bunkers, and are leaving the Palestinians in between them and the Israelis... who are traumatized and, understandably, want retribution and justice. What the world should have done was denounce the war crime that was perpetrated against Israel back in October, and insist that Hamas leadership be handed over to the Hague for war crime trials. And bring diplomatic pressure to bear against those states that specifically protect Hamas leadership (Hello Qatar.) The world could have made it an international responsibility to purge the bandits out of Gaza, and in to court rooms to answer for their criminality. Instead, the world sat around wringing its hands at the awfulness, or cackling with maniacal glee at the idea of Israeli suffering... and the inevitable consequence... that Israel was going to siege Gaza, and allow for the mass killing and suffering of Hamas' human shields, has been allowed to play out.
Very true. A lot could have gone differently had there been external intervention, and even now. Although I do think that's wishful thinking given history. I am by no means justifying Hamas using civilians as shields. I think their actuals are also wrong and evil. On the other hand, the Israeli government is definitely aware that civilians will be collateral, yet that doesn't deter them. That's something I think people overlook, that just because Hamas is using innocent lives as shields, does not take away the guilt of the government. If not justified, the actions of both sides can at the very least be understood. In this war, the actions taken by both sides have reasons, it's not meaningless murder at first. The retaliation, self-defense, and ensuring future safety of Israel, and also the long-lasting oppression and desire for freedom and liberty of Palestinians is understandable. It's the actions that are probably unjustified. I really don't think anyone has the solution to this though, let alone anyone on Reddit, especially myself lol. And even if a solution did exist, such as what you proposed, the world has little incentive to intervene given the selfish nature of our nations. Despite what some say about the situation not being complicated and one side good one side bad, it really is a complex situation.
You can't argue with these idiots, they love them some terrorism
Dude what are you smoking?
>israel is *targeting* civilians. This is simply incorrect. They target military targets, and end up killing civilians. Yes, their military actions are heavily controlled by the confines of international law, which they are very much subject to. Willfully and systemically committing war crimes is a huge risk for them and they have all the incentive to avoid doing so. Optics matter, the ICJ matters, financial support from America matters, and third party reports that have the potential to unveil war crimes matter. They're under the heavy scrutiny of the entire world (disproportionately so) and there hasn't been good evidence that their bombings have 1. targeted civilians or 2. been indiscriminate.
Small but incredibly violent. They have no issues killing fellow Muslims to scare the rest of the population.
I mean yeah, it’s a war. Civilians are always the biggest casualty.
Yes because they are hiding under hospitals and schools, a small % are Hamas, but the people are actively aiding them and hoisting them up. Otherwise they would be overthrown, when the original attacks happened there was cheering and dancing in the streets. Fuck around with Israel and find out.
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Israeli intelligence has said those numbers are accurate. https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-intel-confirms-gaza-health-ministry-stats-reliable?amp
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext Is this better for you? It’s a peer reviewed scientific journal.
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If you believe that 90% of deaths have been “Hamas,” then you have an unfathomably severe form of mental retardation.
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Alr buddy, let me get a sip of the kool aid after you’re done with it.
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Are you in gaza?
Obviously, some random redditor knows more about what’s going on compared to the thousands of other sources saying otherwise.
Bombing schools and hospitals is not how you stop terrorists. If those terrorists were in Israel, in Israeli hospitals and schools, would they bomb them? Would they cut off food and water to those neighborhoods? Of course not. It's a genocide and their leaders have literally said so. They celebrated the murderer settler who shot up a mosque.
>Bombing schools and hospitals is not how you stop terrorists. Yes it is, if they're strongly linked to Hamas. Al-Shifa housed a Hamas command center, so yes, bombing it was an important step in stopping Hamas. >If those terrorists were in Israel, in Israeli hospitals and schools, would they bomb them? Would they cut off food and water to those neighborhoods? Probably not. Any democratic government acts in the interest of its people. Israel prioritizing the lives of Israelis proves they're a democracy I guess? >It's a genocide Factually incorrect for a lot of reasons. >their leaders have literally said so No they haven't. No Israeli leader at any point said they're committing a genocide. What some of them have done is make statements that can be considered genocidal statements. Again though, it's a democracy, and what a leader says is completely different from what the government actually does. If you think a leader's psychopathic statement reflects on the whole country's stances as a whole, I'll start listing out insane shit Trump has said and ask you if those have been America's positions. Israel is subject to the wishes of its people, to the international community (which they have EVERY incentive to appease), and to international law - one insane leader (or a few) obviously isn't going to circumvent all that.
Do you support women’s rights?
That's what happens in a war zone. People die. Especially so when it's two terrorist organizations at war.
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Arab *colonizers* dude. Call it what it is. Hell even the name Palestine was created by Roman colonizers.
Hamas is only labeled a terror group by western governments that at their formation could also (by definition) be considered a terror group so forgive me if I don’t abide by that labelling.
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Mind you Israel has raped and killed more people than Hamas but 👌🏾
Who comes to a colony to bitch about colonies? Why would you benefit from a colony at all if you're so against it?
For the 1st poster, learned this while in university. Unlawful Assemblies and Riots Marginal note:Unlawful assembly 63 (1) An unlawful assembly is an assembly of three or more persons who, with intent to carry out any common purpose, assemble in such a manner or so conduct themselves when they are assembled as to cause persons in the neighbourhood of the assembly to fear, on reasonable grounds, that they (a) will disturb the peace tumultuously; or (b) will by that assembly needlessly and without reasonable cause provoke other persons to disturb the peace tumultuously. Marginal note:Lawful assembly becoming unlawful (2) Persons who are lawfully assembled may become an unlawful assembly if they conduct themselves with a common purpose in a manner that would have made the assembly unlawful if they had assembled in that manner for that purpose. Marginal note:Exception (3) Persons are not unlawfully assembled by reason only that they are assembled to protect the dwelling-house of any one of them against persons who are threatening to break and enter it for the purpose of committing an indictable offence therein. R.S., c. C-34, s. 64 Marginal note:Riot 64 A riot is an unlawful assembly that has begun to disturb the peace tumultuously. https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-7.html 3 or more is low, but its the law
Lol all of Canada is a colonial institute.
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I mean.. obviously a professor has a bigger platform to inform young minds if they stay a professor. It would be significantly harder to make any kind of difference without that platform and also no money lmao
Anytime something has ‘racist colonial’ on it I tune out.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-plans-to-build-3-300-new-settlement-homes-it-says-its-a-response-to/article_8146833d-a91e-5b1d-8c6d-3060db4034fd.amp.html If building 3300 homes on the west bank isn't colonialism what is lol.
Freaking stupid. How does that cabinet minister not know how bad this looks? These settlements make it so much harder to believe they care about the self determination of Palestinians. This is the single biggest red mark against them.
>This is the single biggest red mark against them. I mean, theyre commiting genocide like a couple dozen km to the west
They never did, this entire war was the perfect excuse for Netanyahu to finish off Palestine. Mark my words that by the end of next year Palestine won't exist. This entire war is just the justification for an invasion and dissolution of the Palestine state.
Exactly.
So real bro lmao
Haha they wasted money on printer ink.
Saudi detained a woman for displaying a Palestinian flag in front of Kaba. Even they don’t have time for this but here we are ruining a place of knowledge because liberalism exists. Stop gaslighting people, Canada is a country with extreme diversity. This is how riots happens when other countries’ Internal conflicts/civil wars are brought to this country.
They did that because its a holy site which is no place for a man made flag, ur point holds no weight. Speaking out and spreading awareness isn’t gonna “start riots”
Why don’t you “Canadians” get concerned about our indigenous population!! We were effected by genocide first ya know!!! Still facing the effects of it today!!! Just my opinion!! If you’d help us maybe I’d give a darn.
They keep saying anti Zionism isn't not antisemetism yet they keep attacking and targetting Jewish students and writing on washroom antisemetic slogans.
>targetting Jewish students and writing on washroom antisemetic slogans Baseless accusations, 11/10 zionazi troll
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Why don't you go fight for Palestine in Palestine then . Oh, right, you like living in your first world country with your first world amenities and 'education.'
Terrible logic, just because someone isn’t on the ground working with their hands to fix an issue doesn’t mean they can’t advocate for it.
I'm sure awareness will stop all the atrocities everywhere. You're really doing God's work.
I never said anything about effectiveness or results, just that condemning someone for advocating for something but not going all out and trying to fix it themselves is a bit silly
Because its an apartheid system, we cant go there even if we wanted to. the right of return only applies to jews, not Palestinian refugees.
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I don't agree with this one school in the country I live in, so I will simply leave the entire country. Great take!
keep the same energy abt holocaust lil bro
y'all keep using that communist symbol thinking it makes you look good.
Where is the communist symbol?
Raised fist. It's supposed to be a symbol of the lower-class revolt as described by Marx. A lot of socialists still use it. https://preview.redd.it/7xzsu04r80lc1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=d0e1d66f53e36b8af26d66a92e1b15d9d731ff3d
The raised fist is a symbol of solidarity, and is in no way limited to representing communists. It’s used across many leftist tendencies, labour groups, and anti colonial movements.
Stand with Israel
Israel has my shield.
"boohoo I disagree with these political views so I have to try and cancel something" Get the fuck over it. Both sides are terrorists. Why the fuck do we care about two terrorist groups going at each other's necks?
Because one is committing genocide at an unfathomable rate and is one of the worst humanitarian crises in the modern era holy fuck what are you talking about. Not to mention Israel is actively committing war crimes and violating international law on several fronts outside of just the genocide. What an obscenely intellectually lazy question. People like you make me understand how the Nazi regime and South African Apartheid was so successful.
Disgustingly woke, i’m embarrassed to go to York at this point
Gtfo then
What does “woke” mean to you?
The bad guys obviously!!
It’s basically become the new word in place of ‘PC’.
Bye then.
Any thoughts on the premeditated rape,murder,torture and kidnapping of innocence people during a ceasefire on October 7 2023? Thought so
That’s pretty bad. No one said it isn’t.
[why you lying](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/534d4d15e4b0458a1fec3b4e/t/652872b0a266b0042143437f/1697149616600/Statement+of+Solidarity+with+Palestine.pdf)
Why do they keep referring to it as “so-called Israel”?
Kingdom of Israel forever
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I don't like the "colonial" stuff. It's an ambiguous buzz word. They should have focused on the right to free speech, freedom of expression, peace, love, harmony, unjust war, etc. Trying to denigrate Canadians by calling us colonialists is not the proper way to get us to listen to you. Take a breath, think about your audience, think about who will actually see your poster, realise you're in Toronto, then formulate a banger of a poster. Otherwise you're inviting trolls to correct you: the raised fist and dove are conflicting symbolisms; subvert has a negative connotation; Muhannad Ayyash's publications mostly deal with interpreting the Bible, so kind of a bizarre person to quote.
It's not vague or a buzzword just because you don't like it and it makes you uncomfortable. There's a concrete history and pattern of behaviour when it comes to colonialism and ethnic cleansing. It's not new.
lol sounds like your prof is part of a sleeper cell of terrorists and should be deported right away.
The people who put up these posters are pathetic, child-like morons who are so oblivious to their own stupidity.
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Human beings with brain cells and who are worth anything to society.
people who are in touch with their humanity and are capable of empathy
Who cares about generations of people getting killed? Who cares about an apartheid state illegally occupying people? «who cares about Palestine am i right? who gives a fuck if innocent people are being massacred in the name of hamas.» What a shitty person you are.
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Nobody is talking about going to palestine. well it's not like I can, thanks to shitty israel controlling who goes in and who goes out. You asked who cares, and I responded why. What is "funny" about what I just said? do you think the killings of over 20, 000 men, women, and children is funny? What if it were your family? Would you care then? obviously not, right, cuz who gives a shit about families being massacred. who cares about palestine = I don't want to learn about israel's disgusting history. clearly you don't understand what I explained in my previous comment. Maybe read some ACTUAL news articles and you will see the severity of the situation? I do not want to go back and forth with you. have a good life.
Give it like a year and all of them will shut up about it. They will move on to protesting some other shit no one cares about though
I just want my classes to run normal bro😭😭😭😭
I am 70 years old. I know some shit. If people speak against the flavour of the week it doesn’t make them a racist. You people are soft. Your mother probably told you that you are special. Well you are not !
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uni of Leeds is the same unfort :/ have called students protesting against an IDF soldier “anti-semitism”
Way to go York University
York just needs to expel the terrorist sympathizers. There is no place for that in higher education. Gaza could be thriving if they stopped launching rockets at Israel and just started drilling their offshore oil. Too bad Hamas is just a tool of Iran to spread terror.
I don’t think fork holding York students will be able to handle this truth.
Cognitive dissonance in the form of posters.
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It’s not about Jewish people. It is about a fascist, genocidal, apartheid state called Israel. How on Earth are literal new born babies terrorists? How is a school girl or boy, in their classroom, a terrorist? The father and mother, grandparents and grandmothers? You are exposing the disgusting double standards. Palestinians ARE HUMANS. Calling Palestinians trash humans exposes your mentality that it’s okay Palestinians are being killed because THEY ARE NOT WORTH BEING ALIVE. You have never met a Palestinian in real life because if you did you would know they are the kindest, courageous, and most loving people. Don’t tell me they are terrorists. Tell me what you really believe, that they are not humans and it’s okay to kill them. JUST SAY IT. Nobody has anything against Jews. We have a problem with Zionism. FYI, netenyahu called Lula a holocaust DENIER for speaking up about Palestine when he woke about it multiple times, visited the holocaust museum and MORE. They are brainwashing people just like YOU and when they are getting called out they are calling people anti semites. Please learn more about the conflict. HISTORY STARTED BEFORE OCTOBER 7. What happened in haiti, when the slaves revolted against their white colonialist masters? PEOPLE DIED. I am not condoning murder of ANY PERSON. Did you know that Israel has harvested organs of Palestinians? They kill children for no reason at all! They bomb hospitals !!And they document it all on social media! When ALL of you open your eyes you will see the truth. From the River to the Sea Palestine WILL be Free 🇵🇸 God Bless Palestine ❤️🇵🇸
Good. Hope they got the loud annoying fucks outta there