Yeah, people who have more than 1000 subs probably will be monetized and not risk doing something that dumb for views to avoid a ban that goes against terms and conditions.
While a desperate dumb youtuber might do it as he wants to go viral and doesn't have enough knowledge to know it goes against TOS.
Well if that is the case atleast something being done about seeing things like that online tho if you know where to look you can find it crazy how it so easy to find
Always found mobile streaming to be annoyingly difficult to start with the right settings (I think I have to set 3 different settings correctly to get it to sit in landscape instead of vertical otherwise it just goes Vertical. or goes Vertical but wide with bars on the side)
What are you on about. YouTube prioritizes content farm type creators. Look at how they treat larger creators like sniperwolf even when they do horrible stuff. This isn’t for safety and even if it was, limiting streams to people with at least 1000 subscribers isn’t gonna prevent a shooting.
Sure, just like always they get a video and make them viral, you really think there are +1000 person on mass shooting streams? I can't even get the streams I search, how the f I see a mass shooting in YT
Just out of curiosity, you mention Sssniperwolf, assuming this relates to her reacting to videos without crediting the original. How does she compare, do you think, to someone like Lydia Violet? I feel she does similar practices but don't see anyone give her shit. Granted she hasn't doxed anyone that I know of. Has she gone under the radar or would you consider her different to sssniperwolf?
I mean I don't watch either of those people, but for someone to have publicly doxxed people to not just be allowed on the platform, but even be promoted on the official twitter account of YouTube is just abhorrent. Meanwhile we have plenty of 1M+ creators who still don't have an offical YouTube rep, so imagine how bad it is for creators smaller than 1 million subs to receive a false copyright claim/strike. It's just a very unbalanced and unfair approach to moderating a platform.
Corporations doing corporation things like prioritizing money over all else. I'm shocked! They get a cut of streamer's donations and gifted members and streamers like Sniperwolf rake those in
No one is saying it will stop mass shootings. Literally no one said that.
It's to prevent the platform from being held liable for something terrible being streamed there. It's really that simple.
Honestly probably this among other things, I'm having lots of youtube problems lately that are very odd and an influx of very weird recommended videos and live streams alot of like war propaganda shit and random bs so this could be why even tho it sucks for small creators to get limited like this
I'd guess there must be many unwanted uses like that in the platform that we may not know that happen. And there may not be many good ways to fight them, other than making the service a little and a lot worse for many users...
Na, it’s more than likely related to server and streaming costs. Pirate software did a cost analysis of what it costs twitch for single streamer to stream and it was a pretty significant amount. I’m sure the cost is pretty similar for YouTube. They just don’t want people to bot streams costing them loads of money.
Mass shootings.
The New Zealand mass shooter a few years back live streamed the whole thing. He was the first to do it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
So would you rather murderers be able to live stream their heinous acts?
Sorry, there’s nothing stopping small creators from just posting things as a video to their channel.
Wait, why shouldn't murderers be able to livestream their heinous acts?
Wouldn't it help if you spotted a murderer livestreaming their actions on Youtube, and you recognize that they are nearby, so you can run away?
No it’s not. That’s literally the option. They implemented it specifically to stop mass murderers from live streaming their attacks, after several had done exactly that.
It only applies to mobile live streams, so there’s no real harm done to small content creators. The vast majority of live streams are desktop or webcam, which do not have this limit.
There’s no way to human verify every live stream in real time, and limiting the mobile live streams for accounts with few subscribers effectively eliminates mass murderers from being able to reach an audience with their attacks.
Removing the limit for mobile live streams only gives mass murderers a platform again, with virtually zero gain for actual small content creators.
Youtube support simply says, "potentially harmful content". Do you have a source saying it's specifically due to shootings? I'd be interested to see it.
You do realize the smaller creators are more likely to stream by phone as they don't have the money for a serious setup? Also what about the people streaming mobile games or screensharing stuff? There's plenty of reasons a small creator would stream from their phone.
Hell some phones even let you use them as pseudo desktops by plugging them into a monitor.
But isn't this a good thing? The criminals livestreaming their criminal acts gives information about where they are, or are headed to and how they did it... It's basically self snitching
I didn’t say if it was good or bad. It’s just a thing that happens and I know tech companies started planning for it once it was an established problem. Platforms thought reporters were crazy for pointing out that live streams could be used this way and then Christchurch happened and they changed their tune.
Exactly. I think it's to prevent people making burner accounts to do inappropriate or illegal things on live. This way they have to build up a following which ya they can still do that stuff but if they're doing illegal things they might be banned before they can reach 1k subs. Like it isn't perfect but i get the reasoning.
I HIGHLY doubt it, if someone really wanted to do this, they'd do it anyway livestream or not, or on a different platform. Plus 1000 subs really is not that hard to get if someone was extremely dedicated to hosting some abhorrent video or live like that on Youtube.
Live stream are not meant for children on YouTube and they aren't supposed to be on YouTube any way that's why when they got a law suit because they had to many kids on there platform they made a thing called YouTube kids that sucks
Are you US-americans over there okay??? Fucking LIVE STREAMING school shooters??? My European mind can't even comprehend that this would be a thought someone had 😵💫. Sounds like a black mirror episode.
It's the shooters themselves streaming. And it's not just them. It's people doing shit *like this* anywhere.
It's just that the US has a lot more of them.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was something that specifically happened with school shooting due to how the original comment worded it! And I (luckily) haven't seen or heard of someone livestreaming a shooting until now :/
We are fine. I live in a small town and have European friends message me about a shooting in a city 5 states away. Yes we are fine. You should be checking on the Ukraine people. Shootings are not as common as mainstream media makes it out to be fear mongering. If it was a gang with knives stabbing everyone in a bar I promise you it wouldn’t be in the national/ international news. We had a man carjack and kidnap a girl run out of gas then stab a guy to death to steal his truck. It barely made local news. Then he ended himself once he was about to be caught. I grew up in a family that hunts and learned gun safety from a young age. I still don’t support gun usage unless you have safety training and background checks as well as a license to have a gun. Luckily my fiance is English and intends for me to move over there.
I was specifically talking about school shootings because that is what the comment was referring to. And those very rarely happen outside of the US.
Violence happens everywhere unfortunately, but school shootings are just INSANE to me. I only know a few US-americans personally and every single family of them have lost a kid because of a gun at a school while I know nobody here in europe that has happened to. I just can't comprehend how easy it is to take so many lives with a gun and yet so little is done against it.
I wish it was just mainstream media that convinced me the USA has a problem with that but unfortunately it's real stories and experiences. I was in Cambridge, Massachusetts one time for uni and in the span of 7 days we saw on 2 seperate occasions how people pulled guns at someone else. Just feels so unreal as a European because in 23 years of living here I've never seen a gun outside of a shooting range :0
Also, Ukraine is a literal warzone so comparing that to every day normal life in a supposedly peaceful country is kinda insane 😅
I’m not sure where they are living but from my experience most the shootings happen in or near big cities where crime isnt as easily controlled. That’s part of the reason my family never visits cities. I’m from a town where everyone knows everyone’s business and most the crime is committed by outsiders who pass through but we have never had shootings mostly robbery and drugs. I’m sorry your friends had bad experiences. And that happened. But again that isn’t the whole country.
>Comparing combat footage from an active warzone to someone pulling a phone out and recording a school shooter instead of running or calling the cops
Of all the comparisons lmfao, it's a genuine criticism why deflect and bring up Ukraine? You're absolutely insane to compare the two.
All I said is shootings are not as common as foreigners believe. Media has blown it out of proportion. I compared the two because for some reason Europeans act like we have shootings every day or that everyone who lives in the US is down the block from a shooting. I’ve had two many of my Dutch friends ask if I was okay after a shooting not even in my side of the country.
Also working with teens who struggle with mental health made me realize that 90% of the issues with these kids doing the shooting stem from the parents not getting proper help for kids when they need it or neglecting them when they are clearly struggling at school.
Maybe it’s to avoid botting or something. Not sure what the limit is though but can make sense as I doubt someone with 300 subs will have 8000 live viewers
Well, if you’re some rando live-streaming from Lollapalooza or something, you could get tons of viewers. And YouTube doesn’t want to be in the business of enabling content that’s questionable from a copyright standpoint. Like, the streamer may have the right to the video, but not the audio, and that would make YouTube a party to that violation, which gets applied to every single viewer, and that could be potentially really expensive for YouTube in a legal action (which I think the streamer should have to pay for; not YouTube).
A lot of the time, though, it’s video of mass tragedy, and YouTube doesn’t want to be party to traumatizing large numbers of people who say, “Hey, what’s popular?” and then they tune in to a school shooting in progress. Thats how YouTube gets dragged in front of Congress, and they don’t want to be dragged in front of Congress.
So, your inconvenience is worth not giving horrible people the platform they want. Horrible people ruin shit for everybody, all the time. Look at 9/11: You used to be able to just zip through a metal detector and go wherever you want in an airport, and we’ve since had twenty-plus years of restriction, for the overall safety of the populace. Is it worth the inconvenience? Maybe? Fuck, I don’t know; I don’t fly, but I can see why they do it.
It was in response to mass killers live streaming their attacks. Since the New Zealand shooter in 2019, there have been around a dozen copy cats that have live streamed themselves.
In reality it is, shorts subs are super easy to get. They tend to watch only shorts though and not long form content. This has had negative effects on advertising and revenue.
People in this sub really just love to hate. There's not even indication of what the limit is and this feature is not widely known so it's probably high enough to not be an issue - if a channel with 50 subs somehow got 100,000 concurrent viewers, the chance of that being because their content was just THAT good that every viewer immediately tells their friends to watch along and so on to grow it naturally, is next to impossible.
The only way to get that many viewers legit as a tiny channel is to host a planned event in an existing community from another platform in which case they can quite easily gain those subscribers from the community if they want to. otherwise the viewers are almost certainly either bots or something discovered via search but where no other options from bigger channels for viewing are available - i.e. probably content that gets taken down for a valid reason, like pirated content or graphic imagery.
This limit is never going to meaningfully impact any of you.
(Oh also why on earth would this be illegal, what kind of laws say you should always be able to watch a livestream)
Moreover - there can be pricing reasons to why this could be. Twitch.tv is current not profitable because it costs a lot of money to host the live streaming. The same goes for these small channels where statistics have it that the viewers aren’t going to be converted by the ads.
It can be argued that it is good for preventing mass botting
Or like someone said school shootings live streams
And if it is for bots them why not deal with the bots themselves.
There is no way to reach the limit for channels with less than 1k subs without botting. Even for big channels, it is abnormal to get above 10-15% of your subcount as concurrent live viewers.
That's how YouTube prevents harmful content from being spread, but not enough to reduce it more until mobile live streams boundary around YouTube shorts, such as barriers around it. Sometimes it takes awhile to update when you surpassed 1,000 followers on your channel.
Why's it shitty? We don't even know what the limit is. And how do you suppose people with just 100 subscribers can get 10k live viewers? It's near impossible.
Do we have a figure? I've lately transitioned to doing gameplay streams for a server I'm in and I have 320 subs. I don't usually get more than 10 concurrent viewers, so i doubt it'll ever even affect me, but it'd be nice to know
My highest view count ive had so far was somewhere between 18-20 but that was on twitch and I do stream games there so this shitty practice is just youtube shooting themselves in the foot at least in my POV like why would I go through extra effort to do what I do anyway but on a site that in comparison sucks
It is a good rule.
It is important to understand, if a channel has more subscribers than they have been approved by a good amount of people for their content.
That will reduce the chances of new channels in putting some videos or streams which might cause disharmony, riots, health hazards etc
This must have changed. When I started in 2022 I did a livestream my first month, but I had to basically go through a process to do it. I had to schedule my first livestream in advance and identify what is was and wait 24 hours for YouTube to approve me to go live to verify it was nothing nefarious. It was only Call of Duty warzone so I was good. I only had like 56 subscribers at the time I believe.
Kinda sucks for me when I just want to record my videos direct to my personal YouTube account instead of record then upload every single video
I understand if there are safety implications for this though. I just wish there is a way to direct upload a video to YouTube without 1000 subscribers, even if they'll be permanently private.
Youtube has become complete garbage lately. They allow malicious links, nudity, scams and lots more, but they limit amount of viewers on a live stream? Makes sense.
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It seems like it’s to prevent People from making alts and then making bots to go on the live stream to make them money so they limit the viewers but idk
I got more than 1k subs and got monetized and now they're randomly limiting my video views to either 10 or 500 max after having steady over 600 and up to 3k. So they're screwing everyone equally at least.
It's like "Hey, you wanna grow your livestream so more people can get to know your content and subscribe?, Yeah... No, F\*ck all that, grow it yourself elsewhere and then bring them here! :D".
I know that it's a mobile thing, but considering that a huge percentage of people use YouTube with the mobile app, well... It sucks, a lot.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this rule was implemented in response to mass shootings getting live streamed
This only applies to mobile live streams. Not desktop and webcam live stream. It's just rage bait.
It only applying to mobile is a big point in favor of my theory that it’s to stop horrific things in public from being broadcast to the masses
Yeah, people who have more than 1000 subs probably will be monetized and not risk doing something that dumb for views to avoid a ban that goes against terms and conditions. While a desperate dumb youtuber might do it as he wants to go viral and doesn't have enough knowledge to know it goes against TOS.
Ah yes, I’m not taking off on YouTube. Welp, time to go get a life/death sentence.
Well if that is the case atleast something being done about seeing things like that online tho if you know where to look you can find it crazy how it so easy to find
Yea like some kid going around punching people on the street for views/likes
Always found mobile streaming to be annoyingly difficult to start with the right settings (I think I have to set 3 different settings correctly to get it to sit in landscape instead of vertical otherwise it just goes Vertical. or goes Vertical but wide with bars on the side)
OH THANK GOD
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Yeah, but good luck trying to convince the people around here that other people’s safety is more important than their own convenience.
What are you on about. YouTube prioritizes content farm type creators. Look at how they treat larger creators like sniperwolf even when they do horrible stuff. This isn’t for safety and even if it was, limiting streams to people with at least 1000 subscribers isn’t gonna prevent a shooting.
It would limit the number of people watching a mass shooting. Which most people would say is a good thing to not see in their lifetime.
If they cared enough they could just pay like $25 for botting accounts and run like 50 consecutive streams
Yea, I mean if they were smart enough for that they wouldnt be doing a mass shooting.....
Ideally, but being smart and having common sense are different things
Sure, just like always they get a video and make them viral, you really think there are +1000 person on mass shooting streams? I can't even get the streams I search, how the f I see a mass shooting in YT
Then don't watch the live stream when it's happening?
Man I'm just giving what the corporate response would be if they were to actually talk about it.
Just out of curiosity, you mention Sssniperwolf, assuming this relates to her reacting to videos without crediting the original. How does she compare, do you think, to someone like Lydia Violet? I feel she does similar practices but don't see anyone give her shit. Granted she hasn't doxed anyone that I know of. Has she gone under the radar or would you consider her different to sssniperwolf?
I mean I don't watch either of those people, but for someone to have publicly doxxed people to not just be allowed on the platform, but even be promoted on the official twitter account of YouTube is just abhorrent. Meanwhile we have plenty of 1M+ creators who still don't have an offical YouTube rep, so imagine how bad it is for creators smaller than 1 million subs to receive a false copyright claim/strike. It's just a very unbalanced and unfair approach to moderating a platform.
Corporations doing corporation things like prioritizing money over all else. I'm shocked! They get a cut of streamer's donations and gifted members and streamers like Sniperwolf rake those in
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Ah yes because shooters go “awe man I can’t live stream this on YouTube…now I don’t want to kill anyone”
No one is saying it will stop mass shootings. Literally no one said that. It's to prevent the platform from being held liable for something terrible being streamed there. It's really that simple.
Honestly probably this among other things, I'm having lots of youtube problems lately that are very odd and an influx of very weird recommended videos and live streams alot of like war propaganda shit and random bs so this could be why even tho it sucks for small creators to get limited like this
I'd guess there must be many unwanted uses like that in the platform that we may not know that happen. And there may not be many good ways to fight them, other than making the service a little and a lot worse for many users...
True it's really sad and annoying to see
Shooters must have a well established following on YouTube before they’re allowed to stream their events.
People abuse websites and apps and then ruin it for others, it really sucks what ppl do these days…
Na, it’s more than likely related to server and streaming costs. Pirate software did a cost analysis of what it costs twitch for single streamer to stream and it was a pretty significant amount. I’m sure the cost is pretty similar for YouTube. They just don’t want people to bot streams costing them loads of money.
Resources and costs are always the main driving factor but rules can be implemented for cost-benefit and other policy goals at the same time
WHAT getting live streamed?!
Mass shootings. The New Zealand mass shooter a few years back live streamed the whole thing. He was the first to do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
And ofc, cut the viewers for small creators is the solution. Yeah, now they gonna disappear
It’s literally only MOBILE live streams for channels with fewer than 1000 subscribers. It has zero affect on live streams from desktop or webcam.
And? Like people don't stream on mobile right? Yeah, just let them do anything. Always people gonna defend the multimillon company for free.
So would you rather murderers be able to live stream their heinous acts? Sorry, there’s nothing stopping small creators from just posting things as a video to their channel.
Wait, why shouldn't murderers be able to livestream their heinous acts? Wouldn't it help if you spotted a murderer livestreaming their actions on Youtube, and you recognize that they are nearby, so you can run away?
Well, they let pedophiles, why not?
Definition of a strawman lmao
No it’s not. That’s literally the option. They implemented it specifically to stop mass murderers from live streaming their attacks, after several had done exactly that. It only applies to mobile live streams, so there’s no real harm done to small content creators. The vast majority of live streams are desktop or webcam, which do not have this limit. There’s no way to human verify every live stream in real time, and limiting the mobile live streams for accounts with few subscribers effectively eliminates mass murderers from being able to reach an audience with their attacks. Removing the limit for mobile live streams only gives mass murderers a platform again, with virtually zero gain for actual small content creators.
Youtube support simply says, "potentially harmful content". Do you have a source saying it's specifically due to shootings? I'd be interested to see it.
You do realize the smaller creators are more likely to stream by phone as they don't have the money for a serious setup? Also what about the people streaming mobile games or screensharing stuff? There's plenty of reasons a small creator would stream from their phone. Hell some phones even let you use them as pseudo desktops by plugging them into a monitor.
I mean this seriously isn't gonna stop a shooting
Sure. But they don't want it being broadcast to thousands on their platform.
But isn't this a good thing? The criminals livestreaming their criminal acts gives information about where they are, or are headed to and how they did it... It's basically self snitching
I didn’t say if it was good or bad. It’s just a thing that happens and I know tech companies started planning for it once it was an established problem. Platforms thought reporters were crazy for pointing out that live streams could be used this way and then Christchurch happened and they changed their tune.
WHAT
No, it was largely the fact that YouTube was being used to host copyrighted videos on otherwise dark channels with private links shared in Discord.
the first thing i thought of was this, and the first post I saw was this!
Everyone says one needs to happen at YouTube Headquarters again as a result.
Exactly. I think it's to prevent people making burner accounts to do inappropriate or illegal things on live. This way they have to build up a following which ya they can still do that stuff but if they're doing illegal things they might be banned before they can reach 1k subs. Like it isn't perfect but i get the reasoning.
This makes so much sense
Damn
I HIGHLY doubt it, if someone really wanted to do this, they'd do it anyway livestream or not, or on a different platform. Plus 1000 subs really is not that hard to get if someone was extremely dedicated to hosting some abhorrent video or live like that on Youtube.
I swear, if it did, I will literally go back and stop the company from making this live stream
1. Probably to avoid botting, scamming, and god knows what else 2. Answer yo damn phone
And to add, Youtube assumes that you need a steady fanbase to go live. So it assumes you have loyal viewers.
Its just going to invite more bots, people will subbot their channels
Preventing mass shootings from being seen by innocent children probably.
Like they don't keep Elsagate content slip through the cracks and doing nothing about that.
Live stream are not meant for children on YouTube and they aren't supposed to be on YouTube any way that's why when they got a law suit because they had to many kids on there platform they made a thing called YouTube kids that sucks
Then people will just… bot subscribers
This is one of the dumbest features I have ever seen on yt
It’s to stop school shooter livestreams, anyone on pc doesn’t have that restriction, so if you’re streaming gaming etc that won’t affect you
Are you US-americans over there okay??? Fucking LIVE STREAMING school shooters??? My European mind can't even comprehend that this would be a thought someone had 😵💫. Sounds like a black mirror episode.
It's the shooters themselves streaming. And it's not just them. It's people doing shit *like this* anywhere. It's just that the US has a lot more of them.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was something that specifically happened with school shooting due to how the original comment worded it! And I (luckily) haven't seen or heard of someone livestreaming a shooting until now :/
It’s not just America. One of the worst cases of this was the Christchurch shooting livestream which occurred in New Zealand.
That wasn't a school shooting
Not just us Americans. The guy who did Christchurch in New Zealand streamed it live
No send help 🫠
We are fine. I live in a small town and have European friends message me about a shooting in a city 5 states away. Yes we are fine. You should be checking on the Ukraine people. Shootings are not as common as mainstream media makes it out to be fear mongering. If it was a gang with knives stabbing everyone in a bar I promise you it wouldn’t be in the national/ international news. We had a man carjack and kidnap a girl run out of gas then stab a guy to death to steal his truck. It barely made local news. Then he ended himself once he was about to be caught. I grew up in a family that hunts and learned gun safety from a young age. I still don’t support gun usage unless you have safety training and background checks as well as a license to have a gun. Luckily my fiance is English and intends for me to move over there.
I was specifically talking about school shootings because that is what the comment was referring to. And those very rarely happen outside of the US. Violence happens everywhere unfortunately, but school shootings are just INSANE to me. I only know a few US-americans personally and every single family of them have lost a kid because of a gun at a school while I know nobody here in europe that has happened to. I just can't comprehend how easy it is to take so many lives with a gun and yet so little is done against it. I wish it was just mainstream media that convinced me the USA has a problem with that but unfortunately it's real stories and experiences. I was in Cambridge, Massachusetts one time for uni and in the span of 7 days we saw on 2 seperate occasions how people pulled guns at someone else. Just feels so unreal as a European because in 23 years of living here I've never seen a gun outside of a shooting range :0 Also, Ukraine is a literal warzone so comparing that to every day normal life in a supposedly peaceful country is kinda insane 😅
I’m not sure where they are living but from my experience most the shootings happen in or near big cities where crime isnt as easily controlled. That’s part of the reason my family never visits cities. I’m from a town where everyone knows everyone’s business and most the crime is committed by outsiders who pass through but we have never had shootings mostly robbery and drugs. I’m sorry your friends had bad experiences. And that happened. But again that isn’t the whole country.
>Comparing combat footage from an active warzone to someone pulling a phone out and recording a school shooter instead of running or calling the cops Of all the comparisons lmfao, it's a genuine criticism why deflect and bring up Ukraine? You're absolutely insane to compare the two.
All I said is shootings are not as common as foreigners believe. Media has blown it out of proportion. I compared the two because for some reason Europeans act like we have shootings every day or that everyone who lives in the US is down the block from a shooting. I’ve had two many of my Dutch friends ask if I was okay after a shooting not even in my side of the country. Also working with teens who struggle with mental health made me realize that 90% of the issues with these kids doing the shooting stem from the parents not getting proper help for kids when they need it or neglecting them when they are clearly struggling at school.
I think you can stream your phone to desktop to stream to YouTube shorts shit
Live streaming school shootings? WTF. You folks need to know when to call it quits, the 2nd amendment isn't helping you all.
I’m a Greek living in the uk, I wouldn’t know. The perpetrator sometimes do it
That's f*cked up
It's so dumb that they even said "less" subscribers instead of "fewer."
Maybe it’s to avoid botting or something. Not sure what the limit is though but can make sense as I doubt someone with 300 subs will have 8000 live viewers
Well, if you’re some rando live-streaming from Lollapalooza or something, you could get tons of viewers. And YouTube doesn’t want to be in the business of enabling content that’s questionable from a copyright standpoint. Like, the streamer may have the right to the video, but not the audio, and that would make YouTube a party to that violation, which gets applied to every single viewer, and that could be potentially really expensive for YouTube in a legal action (which I think the streamer should have to pay for; not YouTube). A lot of the time, though, it’s video of mass tragedy, and YouTube doesn’t want to be party to traumatizing large numbers of people who say, “Hey, what’s popular?” and then they tune in to a school shooting in progress. Thats how YouTube gets dragged in front of Congress, and they don’t want to be dragged in front of Congress. So, your inconvenience is worth not giving horrible people the platform they want. Horrible people ruin shit for everybody, all the time. Look at 9/11: You used to be able to just zip through a metal detector and go wherever you want in an airport, and we’ve since had twenty-plus years of restriction, for the overall safety of the populace. Is it worth the inconvenience? Maybe? Fuck, I don’t know; I don’t fly, but I can see why they do it.
It was in response to mass killers live streaming their attacks. Since the New Zealand shooter in 2019, there have been around a dozen copy cats that have live streamed themselves.
1000 subscribers, physically not possible for me lower it to 100 that would be doable
Pretty much impossible for me too. Even though I have like 112 subs I only got 1 to 14 viewers per video
Why is it physically not possible?
In reality it is, shorts subs are super easy to get. They tend to watch only shorts though and not long form content. This has had negative effects on advertising and revenue.
People in this sub really just love to hate. There's not even indication of what the limit is and this feature is not widely known so it's probably high enough to not be an issue - if a channel with 50 subs somehow got 100,000 concurrent viewers, the chance of that being because their content was just THAT good that every viewer immediately tells their friends to watch along and so on to grow it naturally, is next to impossible. The only way to get that many viewers legit as a tiny channel is to host a planned event in an existing community from another platform in which case they can quite easily gain those subscribers from the community if they want to. otherwise the viewers are almost certainly either bots or something discovered via search but where no other options from bigger channels for viewing are available - i.e. probably content that gets taken down for a valid reason, like pirated content or graphic imagery. This limit is never going to meaningfully impact any of you. (Oh also why on earth would this be illegal, what kind of laws say you should always be able to watch a livestream)
i would love for this sub to get one positive post
Moreover - there can be pricing reasons to why this could be. Twitch.tv is current not profitable because it costs a lot of money to host the live streaming. The same goes for these small channels where statistics have it that the viewers aren’t going to be converted by the ads.
Someone said this before, but this sub is filled with ignorant self-righteous immature teens
It can be argued that it is good for preventing mass botting Or like someone said school shootings live streams And if it is for bots them why not deal with the bots themselves.
It's obviously due to live shootings being broadcast or other horrific events.
Fair considering the amount of money it costs to stream video to what could otherwise be a huge bunch of bots?
There is no way to reach the limit for channels with less than 1k subs without botting. Even for big channels, it is abnormal to get above 10-15% of your subcount as concurrent live viewers.
That's how YouTube prevents harmful content from being spread, but not enough to reduce it more until mobile live streams boundary around YouTube shorts, such as barriers around it. Sometimes it takes awhile to update when you surpassed 1,000 followers on your channel.
It allows them to monitor streams better and reduce pirating
Why?
The whole point of this rule is to prevent botting and scams.
wow i did not know this was a thing. how shitty of them. you are small and will remain small until we say so
Why's it shitty? We don't even know what the limit is. And how do you suppose people with just 100 subscribers can get 10k live viewers? It's near impossible.
Makes sense so people who are banned, bot accounts and mass shooters cant just make channels and stream bad content
I'm more interested in how a short can be live? That's not really short now is it?
I think it may be vertical live; it's a thing.
Do we have a figure? I've lately transitioned to doing gameplay streams for a server I'm in and I have 320 subs. I don't usually get more than 10 concurrent viewers, so i doubt it'll ever even affect me, but it'd be nice to know
If you stream from pc this will NOT affect you, it's just relevant to streaming directly from your phone.
I have like 13 subscribers maybe if that. YouTube doesn't let me stream even games
You need at least 50 subscribers to start live streaming
My highest view count ive had so far was somewhere between 18-20 but that was on twitch and I do stream games there so this shitty practice is just youtube shooting themselves in the foot at least in my POV like why would I go through extra effort to do what I do anyway but on a site that in comparison sucks
Yo op, why spreading misinformation, respond to top comment Also apparently this only applies to mobile streams
Most creators don’t exceed their subscriber count with live viewers in most cases. It’s a rare case where that would happen.
*rare legitimate case
That's stupid. It makes it harder for channels to grow.
It should be illegal to even do shorts live streams, we have streams already so why should we switch to the worse format?
Keep em down
This limit ONLY applies to mobile live streaming.
It is a good rule. It is important to understand, if a channel has more subscribers than they have been approved by a good amount of people for their content. That will reduce the chances of new channels in putting some videos or streams which might cause disharmony, riots, health hazards etc
Probably a good idea. Stops scammers and inorganic growth.
They're a private business.... They can do what they want...
Is it limiting how many people can be watching or how much it would get “pushed?”
Maybe its unfair? But its not illegal for YouTube (Google) to set whatever requirements they want for people using their service.
This must have changed. When I started in 2022 I did a livestream my first month, but I had to basically go through a process to do it. I had to schedule my first livestream in advance and identify what is was and wait 24 hours for YouTube to approve me to go live to verify it was nothing nefarious. It was only Call of Duty warzone so I was good. I only had like 56 subscribers at the time I believe.
This is not new and only applies to streaming from mobile. That's probably why you never saw it before.
Thanks for clarification. I find it stupid that streaming from mobile and from PC/console have different rules. You’d think they’d be uniform
Kinda sucks for me when I just want to record my videos direct to my personal YouTube account instead of record then upload every single video I understand if there are safety implications for this though. I just wish there is a way to direct upload a video to YouTube without 1000 subscribers, even if they'll be permanently private.
Guess I'm no longer streaming there
Youtube on their way to destroy themselves
Youtube has become complete garbage lately. They allow malicious links, nudity, scams and lots more, but they limit amount of viewers on a live stream? Makes sense.
as of this morning i’m only 143 away 😅 🥹
They fucking what?!? Welp I guess twitch is the better option for making a community
There are so many limitations and limits on Youtube these days that I hardly ever see people in chats.
What the heck so what does it mean when you have less than 10k subscribers
Bots will just detect lives that reached the limit and show the live on another channel...
Guess we need to unite
I need help on my YT channel any opinions
YouTube doesn't owe you anything
My guess is that it's to avoid piracy.
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this reminds me of the limits to how many accounts we can follow on ig and twitter
Def not - botting is wild on newly created channels. Any organic growth will allow channel sub growth as well.
Want to be a live streamer on YT? Too bad
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It seems like it’s to prevent People from making alts and then making bots to go on the live stream to make them money so they limit the viewers but idk
I got more than 1k subs and got monetized and now they're randomly limiting my video views to either 10 or 500 max after having steady over 600 and up to 3k. So they're screwing everyone equally at least.
I'm happy that I don't plan to be a live-streamer
well its for keeping bots and fake accounts from thriving on the platform
It's like "Hey, you wanna grow your livestream so more people can get to know your content and subscribe?, Yeah... No, F\*ck all that, grow it yourself elsewhere and then bring them here! :D". I know that it's a mobile thing, but considering that a huge percentage of people use YouTube with the mobile app, well... It sucks, a lot.
Oh for dangs sake
It’s to stop those channels which impersonate other YouTubers.
What the actual fuck
If a channel has less than one thousand subscribers, we limit the number of live viewers. Learn more
It’s probably to combat bot accounts
Negro what the actual Duck?
youtube is 1984!
YouTube loves to discriminate people. Nothing new.
How would you even get subs
What complete assholes of them to do this
I don't see either how this is a good idea, straight up punishing lower sub creators over nothing..
This just makes it insurmountable to get a new channel off the ground.
FUKEN CEO'S BASICALLY HARMING YOUTUBE MORE THAN ANYONE EVER COULD AND IT FUKEN SUX ASS💀
Illegal! 🤣 You kids are too much. "YouTube is mean, the government should fix it!" 🤣
Wait, what?! This is a thing?!
In the future, Youtube will limit how many videos that you watch per day for everyone
As a person with around 500 subscribers, what D: