It was before but I think whoever did it then didnāt really know what they were doing. We had the flair āBrasilinhoā which makes no sense at all. Calling Ronaldo, o Filho da Terra, aƧoreano, is also not a roast.
It's beautiful, just like you, JoĆ£o.
https://preview.redd.it/y1mn3il73u7d1.png?width=2100&format=png&auto=webp&s=4fa1f3490b718860d38ba3227285e1e02e2a53d5
You don't even dare to speak, you thief!! š š
https://preview.redd.it/gqgtd4v91s7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49058579c517865cd347eb0dc5886c62bbca1d14
Blue and white come from Count Henry of Burgundy, The father of our first King Don Afonso Henriques. For all the reasons possible blue and white are the real colours of Portugal. Green and Red are the colours of a political system.
Ah, yeah, it can be confusing, the English language is sometimes so simple that it can confuse people if they lack the context, but that's also what makes English so easy to learn and is one of the reasons English is spoken around the world.
Im a native English speaker and even I had to think about it once I realized what he meant. Like I wasnāt sure for a second if ālastā could refer to the current one, but I believe ālastā is really just used for previous iteration of something.
https://preview.redd.it/k6hl4s71xr7d1.png?width=1135&format=png&auto=webp&s=d96ac47c2ac3b47f153b57ea963d09e0ad2803d2
**They really did go downhillā¦**
Sorry but both are a downgrade from this: the glorious United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves.
https://preview.redd.it/v57kwknggr7d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=bcb2ab8c8ed0e847da95ddd45f9268f7b45aab4b
https://preview.redd.it/20z6uziazr7d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=bac17af4180c634bc4f7a319e0eba4b85c0cb339
Made this, itās my proposal brothers, what do you think?
I like it. But I don't think the olive leaves are necessary and I usually don't like flags with inscriptions... and remember we have 2 official languages :)
No no, it's not weird at all because the little dots (quinas) are said to represent the right of self coinage. So basically have your own currency. In medieval times that was seen as a significant factor for sovereignty. It's because of factors like this right that the pope eventually acknowledged portuguese independent statehood.
Sooooo it does make sense that the sp\*nish prefer the flag that doesn't boast about our freedom from them ehehe suck on those coins you paella eating bastards ehehehe
(PS: the coins have also been connected to the nails on Jesus' cross so it's actually unclear what the original meaning for them was; the biggest argument for the coin thing is the amount of dots existent in the 2nd ish iteration of the finnish flag, see below)
https://preview.redd.it/0s3rm5sj7s7d1.png?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4da5518c54ce7d34740ecf8606a2de9a4aa3a6cc
The most likely origin story for it all might have been related to the king's shield. Back then, country flags would come from the king's shield design, almost certainly that Afonso Henriques shield was white with a blue leather cross nailed to it, with usage, the paint on the nail's heads would get worn off and return to silver, which would explain the "coins" on the flag, later, the leather would start to wear and eventually rip and fall, except for the parts that were nailed down, which explains why the blue shields that later appeared on the flag followed the direction pointed by the nails
Imo, they could have just switched the monarchist symbols with the Armillary Spherebehind the Shield, but keep the overall design and colours... and the symmetry
The novel flag is a disgrace. It breaks all the rules of heraldry, has got no sense of proportion, and literally commits a crime by stealing the King's coat of arms.
Even the designer knew that the colours were mismatched so he gave instructions to use lighter shades of red and green so that it wouldn't be so blatant.
Awful/10
https://www.publico.pt/2010/08/25/jornal/um-busto-e-um-hino-consensuais--e-uma-bandeira-polemica-20050890
Creio que o Almada Negreiros lhe tenha chamado de "bandeira de pr...tos".
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUhDJ3ZAMw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUhDJ3ZAMw)
Strongly disagree, Hino da Carta is way more gloriously especially the musical intermezzoās between the stanzaās.
A Portuguesa gives me chills. It truly glorifies our history, contrary to Hino da Carta which barely mentions it. And also, A Portuguesa appeals to the union of the people and has this belic tone whichs sounds extremely patriotic.
I know Hino da Carta as well. I like it, but A Portuguesa is quite something else. Literal chills, especially when sung as a group.
Hino da carta is just proclaiming the the new constitution at the time and calling the king for how great he is - there is no depth and no special meaning behind it and its nothing more than a melodic song not that bad to hear
A Portuguesa is by far more simbolizing of what Portugal is and was, has real depth to its lyrics and above all gives goosebumps and works up anyone who sings it or hears and understands it
I completely disagree with the anthem. The current one is to me the best anthem of them all. No other match the emotion of singing in both because of the epic words but also because of the awsome melody.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c2lWf9ifkM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c2lWf9ifkM)
Anthems with no words are lame and other than that i only actually like to listen to the French and British ones.
The blue and white seems more "portuguese". The red and green reminds me of a random african nation. If you want to get rid of monarchic symbols just change the shield by your current one, as we did in 1873.
I love the astrolabe, though. It's symbolism is something uniquely important to Portugal because while most countries base their identities on revolution, conquest, struggle, etc., Portugal bases a lot of its identity on exploration. Same with Spain's "PLVS VLTRA" on its flag.
I use to have a portugese themed headphones. Best i ever had. And to be fair, confirmed my belief in what the Portuguese flag should look like. Green and red are badass
I still say take the blue and white, remove the crown and add the armilar sphere. I like our current one but the previous one was better and blue and white were our colors for 839 years. Green and red for 50.
I'm going against the flow here, and say that I like the red and green one more. Especially when darker hues are used, like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Flag_of_Portugal_%28alternate%29.svg/2560px-Flag_of_Portugal_%28alternate%29.svg.png).
the former one was way better. Only problem it had was the crown and the cross on it, just replace theses by something symmetrical and stylised in the same colour as the rest without having any relation ,with monarchy or religion and you're golden, beautiful flag. The change of colour is honestly a shame.
I like more the new, it's more unique and with more personality. Not many flags with green, and less that combine it with red. And blue-white is one of the most standard/boring flag combinations.
Some advanced countries are monarchies, I don't think too much about it.
They could have just removed the crown or replace it with an Armillary Sphere behind the Shield though.
Green and red makes you look like what we really are, African countries.
https://preview.redd.it/g49getrswr7d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9e02b49c3cf42614e1abc2e00c6f0b444eb2b2c
Salaam Alaikum hermano
Belarus, Portugal, Hungary and Bulgaria confirmed to be African.
Italy **š®š¹..**. 
There was no need, it is verified knowledge already
Have you forgotten Romania? Thier flag is copied from Chad
No green though.
You are right. I didnt read up everything
That only makes Chad balkan
EXCUSE ME WHAT DID YOU SAY
They steal everything
We only did it to be chads for once...
Honestly?ā¦ yes.
Cries in Lithuanian
Madeira and Canarias can into African plate! Oh waitā¦ weāre already here!
Why is Sim on the flair from Madeira and not Azores. @mod correct this please
It was before but I think whoever did it then didnāt really know what they were doing. We had the flair āBrasilinhoā which makes no sense at all. Calling Ronaldo, o Filho da Terra, aƧoreano, is also not a roast.
Itās basically implying that Madeira and Azores are pretty irrelevant and that there is no point in distinguishing them
But thatās not funny like calling us Portuguese Western Balkan. We can be African Dwellers or something, that would be funny.
The white and blue was classy, the green one reminds of third world
So the old one looked better, but the new one is a better fit for a Balkan country?
Shouldāve stuck with the Slavic red white blue then
Barry is slav confirmed?
Did we need it confirmed? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9EoGOKbyg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9EoGOKbyg)
Say the guy with a red blue and white flag
BRITONS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SHALL BE SLAVS!
Bulgaria and Bielorussia use green, so Portugal is in thta second tier Slavs
Watch your profanity. We are Balkan, not Slav
But Portuguese, not the Brazilian variety, sounds like Russian.
Those colours come from the former republican party. I think white and blue go way better together
I think we should have kept the white and blue and switched the crown shield for the armillary sphere.
Yup, me too
It's beautiful, just like you, JoĆ£o. https://preview.redd.it/y1mn3il73u7d1.png?width=2100&format=png&auto=webp&s=4fa1f3490b718860d38ba3227285e1e02e2a53d5
Now *that* is a fine looking flag!
That's quite something, but I like the old Shield. Anyways, that's just a detail. The overall idea is there.
Hm, at first I thought I didn't like the sphere, but now I realize that it just looks weirder with red and green.
Of course brother.
Yeah white and blue make a beautiful flag.
You don't even dare to speak, you thief!! š š https://preview.redd.it/gqgtd4v91s7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49058579c517865cd347eb0dc5886c62bbca1d14
Portucale!
You know,the blue ang white flag really reminds me of the first greek flag.
They are all thieves!! š https://preview.redd.it/idvpvo4gtw7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bb1b22e31fe5a0233ba047cd65190d723a38560
I stand corrected.
True that...
Especially with a bit of red.
They come from the freemason part of the republican party to be more specific
Blue and white come from Count Henry of Burgundy, The father of our first King Don Afonso Henriques. For all the reasons possible blue and white are the real colours of Portugal. Green and Red are the colours of a political system.
Agreed, Blue and White are our national colours, despite them being disregarded in some other historical flags
The white and blue are also Portugalās classic colours, the red and green are from a republican party that influenced the revolution
Switch the Ghana Green for Jamaika Green
Exactly what they are
So it is appropriate. We get what we fucking deserve!
Of course you would say that as our first King was half French and blue and white came from his father, Count Henry de Bourgogne.
Blue and White, my beloved... 
Portugal had such a great start and theyve just been progressively downgrading it though the centuries š
Shut up you copied our first flag lack of originality.
Well nobodys going to copy the last one.
https://preview.redd.it/bvl5cdjt1s7d1.jpeg?width=979&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ba51cf40348f6bd932ec5a5fc15abfa9174e84c
Im confused, isnāt the white and blue the last one?
No, since a century ago or something like that they use the red and green one
Oh they mean the current flag then, not the last one? My bad. I get it now
Ah, yeah, it can be confusing, the English language is sometimes so simple that it can confuse people if they lack the context, but that's also what makes English so easy to learn and is one of the reasons English is spoken around the world.
Im a native English speaker and even I had to think about it once I realized what he meant. Like I wasnāt sure for a second if ālastā could refer to the current one, but I believe ālastā is really just used for previous iteration of something.
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So great you guys copied it! Portugal caralho š¤ Suomi perkele
Obrigado š¤
Saatana
Santinho
https://preview.redd.it/k6hl4s71xr7d1.png?width=1135&format=png&auto=webp&s=d96ac47c2ac3b47f153b57ea963d09e0ad2803d2 **They really did go downhillā¦**
Wait until you see the Portuguese government logo
Probably took 2 minutes on Paint
Sorry but both are a downgrade from this: the glorious United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves. https://preview.redd.it/v57kwknggr7d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=bcb2ab8c8ed0e847da95ddd45f9268f7b45aab4b
Bros... I wanna go back
Reject modernity Return to the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and The Algarves
You did, but just too far back in time.
The armillary sphere always gives me a hard on. Freaking love Portugal. And your women.
I know you don't like to use our words but *bunda* is the best thing we got from Africa just so we can say our women have *abundĆ¢ncia*.
I do like to use them, but everybody switches to Englishš¤·āāļø What's worse, people think that I'm BRITISHšš
The only state in history that was on three continents.
This coat of arms rules
We were already thing in the kingdom so Iām all for it.
For me, this would be our national flag, but without the crown.
I thought yāall stopped stealing everything from the French a while ago
https://preview.redd.it/20z6uziazr7d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=bac17af4180c634bc4f7a319e0eba4b85c0cb339 Made this, itās my proposal brothers, what do you think?
I like it. But I don't think the olive leaves are necessary and I usually don't like flags with inscriptions... and remember we have 2 official languages :)
Haha I know that very well, I speak the second one myself
What's the second one?
MirandĆŖs
He's like the most famous mirandese speaker on reddit, if he's fine with text in portuguese, I'm fine with text in portuguese
I liked the one in the comments with just the sphere and the shield better. Less is more
When you mix red and green you get brownā¦ š¢š“š©
Yup, I feel you, my basque friend.
But we have white so itās beige, like a gateau basque. (You got me, I must admit š¤¦š»āāļø)
As a Spaniard, I prefer the old one Portugal has been downgraded from its older self, not just the flag
Well, that's true
We're together on this one irmĆ£o, we used to rule the world :(
Seas would rise when we gave the word
Youāre making emotional, please stop
Why couldn't you just continue the song?
Now in the morning I sleep alone
No lies were found š
I prefer the "finish" one
Weird coming from a spaniard, but I'll respect your choice!
Too much time playing medieval 2 total war and watching this flag is the result of my choice
Go on Creative Assembly & SEGA, stop being pussies and give us our Medieval 3 or at least a Medieval 2 remaster.
Good choice of games btw
 This man knows his games...
No no, it's not weird at all because the little dots (quinas) are said to represent the right of self coinage. So basically have your own currency. In medieval times that was seen as a significant factor for sovereignty. It's because of factors like this right that the pope eventually acknowledged portuguese independent statehood. Sooooo it does make sense that the sp\*nish prefer the flag that doesn't boast about our freedom from them ehehe suck on those coins you paella eating bastards ehehehe (PS: the coins have also been connected to the nails on Jesus' cross so it's actually unclear what the original meaning for them was; the biggest argument for the coin thing is the amount of dots existent in the 2nd ish iteration of the finnish flag, see below) https://preview.redd.it/0s3rm5sj7s7d1.png?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4da5518c54ce7d34740ecf8606a2de9a4aa3a6cc
The most likely origin story for it all might have been related to the king's shield. Back then, country flags would come from the king's shield design, almost certainly that Afonso Henriques shield was white with a blue leather cross nailed to it, with usage, the paint on the nail's heads would get worn off and return to silver, which would explain the "coins" on the flag, later, the leather would start to wear and eventually rip and fall, except for the parts that were nailed down, which explains why the blue shields that later appeared on the flag followed the direction pointed by the nails
Absolutely horrible. Will never forgive the Republicans for what they did.
Imo, they could have just switched the monarchist symbols with the Armillary Spherebehind the Shield, but keep the overall design and colours... and the symmetry
I donāt mind the asymmetry, but youāre spot on on the rest
The asymmetry comes from the flags on ships, one might argue for that due to our history, so I'd actually accept it
Our current flag is like an African flag. The old flag was simply amazing, there is no comparison.
The novel flag is a disgrace. It breaks all the rules of heraldry, has got no sense of proportion, and literally commits a crime by stealing the King's coat of arms. Even the designer knew that the colours were mismatched so he gave instructions to use lighter shades of red and green so that it wouldn't be so blatant. Awful/10
Could you link me to some of that history?
https://www.publico.pt/2010/08/25/jornal/um-busto-e-um-hino-consensuais--e-uma-bandeira-polemica-20050890 Creio que o Almada Negreiros lhe tenha chamado de "bandeira de pr...tos".
Obrigado!
The flag wasnāt the only downgrade that happened in 1910.
I like it.
Which one?
The blue and white is better.
The Republic was a downgrade https://preview.redd.it/2zm1gwqs1s7d1.jpeg?width=435&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e127c3d48c198b512df82fdddd3e9cbb7e8dd64a
Both national anthem and flag after 1910 are a huge downgrade.
#HEROIS DO MAR!!!
NOBRE POVO
NAĆĆO VALENTE
E Imortal
Nah, the anthem is an unquestionable upgrade
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUhDJ3ZAMw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUhDJ3ZAMw) Strongly disagree, Hino da Carta is way more gloriously especially the musical intermezzoās between the stanzaās.
A Portuguesa gives me chills. It truly glorifies our history, contrary to Hino da Carta which barely mentions it. And also, A Portuguesa appeals to the union of the people and has this belic tone whichs sounds extremely patriotic. I know Hino da Carta as well. I like it, but A Portuguesa is quite something else. Literal chills, especially when sung as a group.
Contra os bretƵes marchar marchar!
JĆ” fizemos as pazes com eles. Afinal de contas, eles perderam as colĆ³nias primeiro que nĆ³s š¤£
Isso Ć© um mito muitas vezes difundido e que pura e simplesmente nĆ£o Ć© verdade. A letra nunca foi "contra os bretƵes".
Hino da carta is just proclaiming the the new constitution at the time and calling the king for how great he is - there is no depth and no special meaning behind it and its nothing more than a melodic song not that bad to hear A Portuguesa is by far more simbolizing of what Portugal is and was, has real depth to its lyrics and above all gives goosebumps and works up anyone who sings it or hears and understands it
You only say that because you don't speak Portuguese. Hino da Carta's lyrics are shit. A Portuguesa's lyrics bring tears to my eyes
I completely disagree with the anthem. The current one is to me the best anthem of them all. No other match the emotion of singing in both because of the epic words but also because of the awsome melody. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c2lWf9ifkM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c2lWf9ifkM) Anthems with no words are lame and other than that i only actually like to listen to the French and British ones.
Seriously that green and red are so ugly
Who are you calling a frog? And yes, it's a downgrade
All of you, look at this sub's main page
The blue and white seems more "portuguese". The red and green reminds me of a random african nation. If you want to get rid of monarchic symbols just change the shield by your current one, as we did in 1873.
How do you think Afrinca Nations got this idea and custom?
Damn you had something nice going on
I love the current flag tbh! But my fave is the Reino Unido de Portugal, Algarves e Brasil!
why the castles from Castilla?
They symbolise 7 dead moor kings
Nice! didn't know.
Who doesn't like dead moors?
That's only legend... Truth is, it's Castilian castles because our kings wanted the Castilian throne too!
Or we were 7 times better than Castille
Castleā Castile, idk why the Castilians made their symbol a building lmao
Maybe because the region was full of castles? That's where the name comes from
I love the astrolabe, though. It's symbolism is something uniquely important to Portugal because while most countries base their identities on revolution, conquest, struggle, etc., Portugal bases a lot of its identity on exploration. Same with Spain's "PLVS VLTRA" on its flag.
It's an Armilary Sphere, but yes, I'm also a fan of it. I'd replace the crown on the Shield with the Sphere behind it.
It's the armillary sphere, an astronomy instrument used in navigation. It isn't the astrolabe.
I use to have a portugese themed headphones. Best i ever had. And to be fair, confirmed my belief in what the Portuguese flag should look like. Green and red are badass
Major downgrade
https://preview.redd.it/41vplg287t7d1.jpeg?width=332&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4ce5c086ed4d089eda533e3ec024733be0ad092 This is the best one šš
It looks better when seen live
tragic
The first one looks better imo.
I still say take the blue and white, remove the crown and add the armilar sphere. I like our current one but the previous one was better and blue and white were our colors for 839 years. Green and red for 50.
Agreed.
I hate 1910
I'm going against the flow here, and say that I like the red and green one more. Especially when darker hues are used, like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Flag_of_Portugal_%28alternate%29.svg/2560px-Flag_of_Portugal_%28alternate%29.svg.png).
These hues look so much better. Should be the standard.
the former one was way better. Only problem it had was the crown and the cross on it, just replace theses by something symmetrical and stylised in the same colour as the rest without having any relation ,with monarchy or religion and you're golden, beautiful flag. The change of colour is honestly a shame.
Some people propose the former flag with the Armillary Sphere behind the Shield instead of the crown on it.
I'm not a huge fan of the sphere, but getting back the former colour would already be a big upgrade imo.
Yeah, green and red were the colours of the former Republican Party, it was a purely political decision
No. We want the cross and the crown. To hell with heretics.
But you no longer have the crown and the cross anyway.
"The woke left took our crown!"
And they will take the armilar sphere and the wounds of christ too if we let them.
I like more the new, it's more unique and with more personality. Not many flags with green, and less that combine it with red. And blue-white is one of the most standard/boring flag combinations.
>And blue-white is one of the most standard/boring flag combinations Or maybe one of those which actually go well together
I'm with you. Blue and white is just whatever, really. Too minimalist and blue is just a passive color that doesn't appeal my eyes
It would have looked good with blue and red, and without that huge ass crown
Yup, with the Sphere
True, biggest issue is that no child can draw our flag
Is the gold behind the shield meant to be a globe or something
It's the armillary sphere, an astronomy instrument used in navigation. https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esfera_armilar
it looks great idk what yall on about šš«”
[Angola Ć© nossa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3PoaB-q7TE)
Crown is always a downgrade in my eyes. Monarchies are a bizarre anachronism that deserves to be snuffed out.
I agree. The Republican Pioneer Oliver Cromwell was truly the greatest statesman in British history.
Also extremely wholesome and democratic
Cope car bomber
Some advanced countries are monarchies, I don't think too much about it. They could have just removed the crown or replace it with an Armillary Sphere behind the Shield though.
Yep, sounds Irish enough
New one is better
Current flag is pretty ugly but that blue one symbolizes a very weak country (1830-1910). There are older flags that carry more symbolism.
The older ones don't look very much like proper flags but rather like standards
I meant any of the white ones with the shield in the center. Those would be flags to be proud of.
Like the one of Portugal, Brasil e Algarves? Ok, that's also a nice one. But I think it's a bit too white, aka too empty