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I'm a pro-choice and bukod sa rape victims na justified magresult sa abortion, ano pa other reasons why it should be legalized?
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Totoo. Pero mahirap talaga makipagdebate sa mga sarado isip eh. Matino din naman ako hahaha, pero kung ayaw ko pagdaanan ng katawan ko ang pregnancy, its still my call 'di ba. Tsaka mas mahirap naman yung habang buhay kong kargo na may iniluwal ako sa mundo tapos 'di ko alam kung lalaki ba syang maayos sa pangangalaga nung mga "mayaman at matino" na yun.
If we take rape out of the convo, I guess medical complications are a legit reason, like siguro if hindi kakayanin ng katawan ng nanay yung pregnancy.
I'm gonna sound pretty cold, but idgaf. I guess I'm pretty jaded now so w/e. I think the "my body my choice" na paulit ulit sinasabi is fucking bullshit even though it's technically true, especially kung gagamitin din lang as an "oops" yung abortion. Ang dami daming ways to prevent a pregnancy, bakit di yon ang ginamit. Kung hindi "oops" yung reason, like maybe ayaw mo lang talaga magkaanak, the argument still stands. Don't let whoever you're having sex with cum inside. Same thing with men, kung ayaw nyo magkaanak, ayaw nyo biglang sasabihin ng gf mo na "babe buntis ako" then don't cum inside her. Or better yet, everyone should just stop fucking people who they aren't in a relationship with. Responsibility lang ang kailangan.
Ironically, I also believe that we shouldn't be focusing on banning abortion but rather on making it so that women wouldn't need to get them. But obviously that's not an easy thing to do, coz that entails teaching everyone to be responsible for their actions, so eh, whatever. Bahala sila, sila din mayayari nyan in the long run. Not really my problem tbh
Malamang there's no justification. Di ko gets mga tao. Why are we focusing on making laws on banning abortions when dapat nagfofocus tayo sa pagpalit ng systema para hindi na piliin ng mga babae magka-abortion. Kala ba ng mga tao madali magka abortion? Sus hindi mhie. Merong limit sa katawan din ng babae kung ilang abortion pwede siya mag undergo until maging life threatening sa kanya. Which begs the question bakit nga ba pinipilian nila magkaabortion despite risks? And bakit iniisip natin kasalanan din nila palagi kaya nagkaka-abortion?
Maganda sana kung yung gobyerno trato nila sa tao parang pamilya o kaibigan nila. Aalagaan mga tao(health care), tutulungan nila maging independent(education) at pag nagkamali tutulungan para mas maging mabuting tao(social services). Eh hindi eh, di ganyan eh. At yung unang una talagang pag iisipan ay dahil tamad at pabaya. Hayst. At jusko for a christian country bakit ang laki ng lait pag teenage pregnancy? Kala ko di ba celebrate new life? Eh di bakit nilalait natin yung ganyan? Ha? Ano na mga people wag double standard. Yung mga "prolife" diyan di naman talaga prolife eh, gusto lang nila mapanganak ng babae yung bata na nasa sinapupunan niya. Bahala na kung namatay ang bata, magkaedukasyon ang bata, kung may magsusupporta sa anak. Wala. Prolife ba talaga yan? Pag isipan ng mabuti. Oo masaklap na merong pipiliin magka abortion pero bakit ba sila nagka abortion at may ginawa ba ang mga tao sa paligid para tulungan yung babaeng yun para di niya maisip na magkaabortion? Mas may sala sa akin ang mga tao na nag contribute sa environment na nagpupush sa mga babae magka-abortion.
Ito masyado sigurong radical para sa iba, pero nabasa ko noon: “I don’t consent having my body used for life creation”
Haha
Pero ANYTHING. Point blank.
Just bodily autonomy. Thats why its pro-choice. And the opposite of it isnt “pro-life” but anti-choice.
Banning abortion makes it harder for women who suffers from ectopic pregnancy to get abortion in general.
Victims of rape
Women who cant afford to raise a child on their own, or even as a family. In this economy?????
If seemed you want a child of your own, but cant due to your own situation like you barely getting by, its a better course of action than to raise a kid which will suffer in the end.
Its merciful this way.
Kapag "unwanted" yun pregnancy, tipong student pa tapos nabuntis na. Oo, kasalanan nila di sila nagiingat pero kung dadalhin nila yun bata tapos puro resentment lang, huwag na.
Poverty. Poor education system. Poor medical benefits. Ang dami. Nagpapabound lang tayo sa mga relihiyosong comment lang naman ang ambag.
Kung religion and logic run in parallel, ang ganda ng pilipinas ngayon
Child birth will either kill the baby or the mother, but that isn't a good reason because any provider or any woman can claim that is a possibility because it is
Ectopic pregnacg is a pregnancy outside the uterus kaming mga medical ally when we hear it kahit against pa man pakinggan we would suggest abortion right away, why? Because risk for bleeding na si mommy and anytime she can die from it.
To make it more subtle sa patiente na abortion ag gawin nya but *Suggestion* is always goes with *dapat* na gawin nya. If you're there sa situation na yon everytime na kakausapin namin ang mag asawa, walang perfect script/words to break it to them gently na they will loose the baby .
Abortion will happen, legal or not. They are just very very very unsafe kung hindi legal. Women die from it. Hindi naman light decision yung abortion or pregnancy eh, yung mga nagdecide na magtuloy, magtutuloy talaga yan, yung mga hindi, hindi din talaga. Iniisip kasi ng iba parang chocolate or vanilla lang yan eh, na kapag may new flavor i-try lahat ng mga tao out of curiosity. Hindi naman eh.
Too many people. Overpopulation cripples the world's resources overtime and NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE are working for ways to renew it. Yung iba sa atin ang gusto na lang ay kumain tapos bahala na. Yung iba nga wala na makain tapos mag-aanak pa.
Ayaw ng nagdadala or mga hindi pa handa maging magulang. Why bother raising a kid if hindi mo naman kayang suportahan nor gabayan nang maayos? If sarili mo hindi mo kayang masustentuhan paano pa kung may bata ka nang inaalagaan?
Also legalize abortion if may chance man na magkaroon ng genetic defects yung bata. Lalo na yung iba dyan eh uso anakan yung mga anak o kapatid nila. Morally wrong na nga, gusto niyo pa magluwal ng bata na maghihirap and hindi magkakaroon ng chance lumaki nang maayos at sumaya sa buhay.
Dapat bago magkaroon ng anak eh may assessment muna. If di niyo kaya suportahan o kahit pag-aralin man lang at gabayan eh i-abort niyo na.
Kesa lumaki na hindi maayos at magkaron ng chance maging kriminal o bobotante dahil kulang sa edukasyon.
Wag niyo na kami hilahin pababa at yang mga desisyon nyo eh pwede maka-apekto sa pangkalahatan.
Legalize abortion kasi mas marami itong positibong epekto sa society natin kesa downsides.
Ang downsides lang naman niyan eh may mga magagalit particularly our church.
Kung ang pagkakaroon ng anak ay blessings mula sa Diyos at kung lahat ng sobra ay nakakasama therefore we can conclude na masama na sa society natin yung mga taong nag-aanak nang marami tapos hindi pinag-iisipan.
Buti sana kung isa lang yung papahirapan niyong palakihin. Kaso gusto niyo lima lima.
Madali lang yan eh.
Kung sa tingin niyo kawawa sa inyo yung mga bata habang lumalaki sila, i-abort niyo na.
Legalize abortion.
If the pregnancy will endanger the life of the woman
If the fetus is not developing normally and will most probably be stillborn or will not live long due to severe abnormalities
In the case of children who are victims of rape
Nasabi n naman mostly ng iba ung “reasons”. Just to add, if the would be mother is too young and the delivery would pose extreme risk to her.
Also, at this point let’s just legalized it. There are hundreds of thousands Filipina ang nag uundergo ng mga under the table abortions dito satin, and madami sknila nadidisgrasya/namamatay.
Comedian talaga yung mga pro choice eh, yung mali itatama gamit ng isa pang mali, laugh trip eh.
parang ganito eh, naka bangga ka may dalawa kang option
1) sumuko sa pulis
2) gulungan ulo nung nabangga mo
Alam mo na kung ano sagot nung mga pro choice dito hahahahahaha
since you care so much about the child why not adopt it after? adopt every child in the adoption center, ganyan ka pala ka may pake.
may masabi ka lang talaga.
Ad hominem, lmao.
wala na ba kayong ibang argument?
may pake ka sa mga na rape na babae? Ilan na inalagaan mong narape na babae sa bahay nyo?
may pake ka sa mga homeless? Agree ka bang dapat patayin ung mga walang bahay? Ilang homeless na pinatira nyo sa bahay nyo?
bigyan mo kong resibo na lahat ng mga yan pinatira at inalagaan nyo sa bahay nyo tapos saka mo ko balikan.
“may masabi ka lang talaga”
changing the topic to the real issue which is WOMEN's RIGHTS.
let women live their lives and let them choose whatever they want to do with their bodies.
you care more about the unborn child than the women? lmao
Changing the real topic? sino ba nauna mag ad hominem dito?
laugh trip talaga.
>you care more about the unborn child than the women? lmao
lumalabas talaga tunay na nature ng tao pag desperado na eh, ano tingin mo dun sa baby? Walang rights? Hindi tao? Lmao
ano? Order lang sa lazada na pag hindi natripan pedeng icancel?
don’t make me laugh.
edit:
ulitin ko ha, alam kong foreign concept sa inyo to, pero ang rights ng isang tao ay nagtatapos pag naapektuhan na nito ang rights ng iba.
Her body, her choice. Ano man ang dahilan. Ang labo lang nung "pro-life" pag nasa sinapupunan, pero bahalakanajan pag na ire na. Also, paano naman yung life nung babae? Wala lang?
Sa usaping sex, lam namam nating lahat na di lang pampamilya yun. Nandoon din yung choice to create or pleasure.
Labo talaga marinig talaga yung ibang lalake na anlakas maka-"yoko mag condom kasi iba talaga pag raw" tas pag may babaeng mag papaabort, dame ebas.
Let the girlies decide for their bodies.
When you're not ready to have and raise a child, that should be your sign that it's not the right time for you. Sure, you can deliver a baby and give them up for adoption, but how sure are you na sa matinong pamilya sya mapupunta? And think how hurtful it is for them to find out they were given up as a baby. So, if you can't raise one, don't bring one into this world.
"What are the possible reasons for abortion?" was the question, not how to stop getting pregnant. Also, you can use a bunch of protection all the time but are they 100% effective?!
Condoms gives you 98% effectivity rate.
Contraceptive pills are 93% effective.
Others ranges from 85%-99% effectivity rate.
Having abortion legal in this country gives women the freedom to choose.
I mean yun nga purpose nun diba? And kung risk lang meron dyan good quality that you should invest in since they are cheap. Yes there is still risk of being pregnant pero mas okay na yun kesa mag raw diba?
WTF is even your point?! Contraception is not cheap. Siguro condoms are cheap but the pills, IUD, Vasectomy and so on are not. You better get off this thread because you're so out of it. You can't even understand the difference between abortion and contraception. 🤷♀️
my sister got pregnant while on birth control, 6months into pregnancy, iniwan siya ng bf niya. she went into postpartum depression after that made her lose her hair and her mental health went downhill, she's still on meds right now. if only abortion was legal in the philippines she would've continued with her life.
Hindi kailangan ng reason kasi ‘yong babaeng buntis naman ang magsa-suffer physically, emotionally, mentally at financially kung itutuloy. Ang dapat hanapan ng reasons to justify eh bakit nakikialam ‘yong mga tao na hindi naman sasaluhin ‘yong hirap nung babae.
Maraming pwede maging reasons kung bakit walang protection. Pwede ring nasira ‘yong protection. Pwede rin ginusto pero noong nandyan na, na-realize na hindi pala ready. Pero does it mean na wala ng karapatan ang babae sa katawan nya dahil lang hindi gumamit ng protection?
Syempre meron parin, katawan nya ‘yon. Hindi naman ‘yon naging katawan ng ibang tao noong nabuntis sya. Hindi naman ibang tao ang maghihirap magdala at ipanganak ang bata para sakanya.
Ang weird ng scenario, sakin lang once mag make kayo ng decision ng partner mo dapat 100% sure since di naman yan na item sa lazada na kung di mo magustuhan eh pwede mo i-cancel. Well opinion mo yan so I respect it
Actually hindi sya weird lalo na sa first time moms. Hindi naman porket napanuod mo na sa TV o nabasa mo eh alam mo na feeling ng buntis. Exactly hindi sya parang item sa Lazada dahil bukod sa paghihirapan mo ‘yan for months ay need mo i-make sure na makakapag provide ka hanggang maging adult sya.
We all make mistakes at hindi porket naging tanga ka sa decision mo sa sex/pregnancy ay wala ka ng karapatan sa katawan mo.
Pasok muna ako dito.
If you mean condoms, well at most 87% ang effectivity niya in a good use, unless pag nabutas yan o naslip, or worse tinanggal ang condom during sex.
If you mean birth control methods that depends sa effectivity rin. Birth Control Pills, Depo Shots, Injectibles, and others are dependent on each women's health condition and lifestyle, and at most effective lang siya between 90-95% on a perfect use. If we are aiming for the most effective one, we have IUDs. Pero yung copper type costs between 2-10k pesos then yung hormonal can reach up to Php 35,000.
And with all the availabilty ng birth control methods, none of them are 100% effective. Always consider yung remaining percent kasi it happens (even IUD users get pregnant pag mali ang placing or sometimes ectopic pregnancy). The only birth control method that is 100% effective is being abstinent. But women can get pregnant by rape.
Yes, dapat naman di pagkait sa rape victims ang abortion because di naman nila ginusto ang nangyari sa kanya, sa opnion ko lang kung ganun nga reason just use protection since yun din naman purpose niya diba? Unless may other purpose pa siya and you could invest for a good brand naman na di madaling masira since mostly sa kanila ay cheap but good quality.
Well yes ang purpose ng protection (Im gonna assume that you mean condoms) is both a birth control method and for STI protection (which yun daw yung original purpose nun). And yeah I heard from some men na there are high quality condoms that can be purchased (online most likely).
But that's where the problem starts, not everyone can afford good quality condoms. Take a look sa usual 7-11, mercury drugs, groceries. Most common condoms na binebenta are Trust Condoms, which may lingering na review na hindi siya ganong ka effective? There's also Premium, Durex, and if anything napakadaling makakuha ng condoms really. Kuha ka sa barangay center, or sometimes sa clinic ng opisina mo, or sa botika. But syempre condoms are purchased by their quality and hiyang sa lalaki. Eh kung hiyang nga lang ang lalaki to even use it.
And also, I assume that you are a responsible sexually active guy who use protection but a lot of men here in our country are either wary, not knowledgable enough to properly use a condom, or simply doesnt want to use it. I've met and heard some guys who uses 1 condom in all sessions instead of routinely changing it per round. There are also some men who aren't educated enough how to properly wear a condom (and some actually wear 2 condoms at the same time for added protection daw) and also there's also men who doesnt use it at all because it decreases sensation, pleasure, masakit daw sa ari nila (which is common in ill-fitted ones) or like some of my workmates, truly believed that withdrawal method is an effective way and in his words, "sukatan kung gaano kagaling ang lalaki sa kama"
Some other side notes is that condoms can easily tear off pag nagamit siya in dry sex, or pag nasobra ng gamit, or sometimes nabutas siya. And once nabutas yun kahit isang tusok lang ng karayom, that effectivity drastically falls down.
So no, protections aren't THAT effective as you thought it was.
Well yun na ang problema sa batas natin regarding safe sex since regarding that topic it's really awful na di nila pinag-tutuunan ng pansin to and kung regarding sa madaling masira sorry di ko alam pero diba may lubricant para sa mga ganyan?
Yes as far as I know alam ko meron eh (if Im not mistaken yung EZ jelly pouch?) Pero again, not everyone are aware na lubricants exist. May mga tao na they thought sapat lang ang laway, some used petrol jelly apparently. And some thought lubricants are like suppositories na ginagamit lang sa medical procedures gaya ng ultrasound. Point is a lot of people dont know about lubricants, or even the idea na condoms and lubricants go together talaga.
And yeah may problema talaga ang safe sex act natin kasi one, sex is still a taboo here in majority of the population. Two, tsismis culture, may malamang lang na isa nagsex kinahiya o hinaharass o even pinapahiya via tsismis. Three, lack of education; may sense of embarassment na magturo about sex which natitigil yung maayos na pag educate ng sex sa kabataan (and even sa mga matatanda) tapos haluan mo pa ng exposure to porn which majority of the videos published promotes unsafe/raw sex, so ang labas may pangit na knowledge about sex in general.
Yep ito tlga! walang rason to decline women of abortion kasi it's just a right to exercise a decision upon yourself. So the main reason kung bakit justified ang abortion because its supposed to be a choice, but its currently being taken away from women.
I wish I was aborted. My parents were not ready for me financially and mentally. I feel like my mother's life could have been so much better without me tas may chance pa sana sya makawala sa tatay ko nung bata pa sya.
Growing up, parating depleted talaga yung needs ko dahil sa finances. Hindi sya joke. Nakakasawa mabuhay na ganon. Parating gutom tapos parating na ooff kuryente at tubig. Nahihinto ako sa school so many times. Dahil sa finances rin, may maraming stress sa bahay which led to abuse. Parating sinasabi saken na ako yung cause ng lahat lahat kakasira. My mother and I have been assaulted plus yung abuse nakuha ng nanay ko, she also gives it to me.
For me, it's cruel having to bring someone suffer all of these things dahil hindi ka ready.
1.) rape / coerced
2.) affected quality of life of offspring that would impose difficulty if not lifetime of hardships (mentally-affected or physical defects)
3.) endangered life of mother from pregnancy/giving birth
4.) inability to financially sustain the needs of a baby
5.) unwanted birth even by the mother bearing the child
marami. including ang reason na hindi ka ready. di porque nagkamali ka, specially ang babae, eh sisirain mo na yung buhay mo. oo, nakakasira ng buhay pag nagpalaki ka ng bata nang hindi ka handa. di lang buhay mo, pati rin buhay ng bata. sa umpisa, syempre cute ang baby pero pag sumampa na yan ng certain age nawawala na yung happy bump na tinatawag at dun mo marerealize na hindi ka dapat naganak. maraming mga bata ang humihiling na sana hindi nalang sila pinanganak kasi lumaki sila sa abusive family at walang pagmamahal. pag yan eh nasa first quarter, clump of cell palang yan. kahit may heartbeat, hindi pa tao yan.
noon anti abortion ako pero mula nung nababasa ko yung reason ng mga westerners and other countries that allows abortion, naintindihan ko na abortion is healthcare.
hindi naman mawawala ang mga nagpapaabort kahit na illigal yan dito satin. why not make it legal para less risk sa mga nagpapaabort?
Their body, their choice. Di ko talaga gets yung ipipilit na wag i-abort dahil "blessing" pero sige naman ang pag chismis sayo. Hilig kasi ng ibang tao mangelam sa buhay ng iba e hahaha for me, Im pro-choice din. Wala akong pake sa reason ng tao kung bakit nya gusto magpa-abort. "Go, abort mo if that's what you think is right." Ganyan lang sinasabi ko madalas hahaha kasi di ko naman sila pipilitin na "uy wag..." kasi at the end of the day, sila pa rin mag dadala nung baby, sila pa rin mahihirapan, lalo na kung mabubuhay lang ang bata sa poverty. Wag na lang diba. Sana stop na pag romanticize sa "laki sa hirap" kasi bakit?!?
Hindi na usapang blessing. Usapang morality nalang. How can you abort a life. Let alone thinking of it? Pagsamasamahin mo lahat ng sinabi mo and think if your mom thought of that.
😂 bakit naman nadamay ang nanay ko? Lol. But to answer your question, as I've said, their body. Their choice. Its their life bakit ko papakelamanan? Bakit ako mag bibigay ng comment? I think its more justifiable to have it aborted kesa buhayin, tapos ano? Isang kahig, isang tuka? Lalaki sa abuse? Hindi manlang maibigay ang simpleng needs ng bata? No proper education? Mas maganda ba yun? Ang pag view sa morality is different sa bawat tao. Kung di ka agree sa comment ko, its w fine me. Idc tbh.
Its pretty self explanatory what ive said. Connect the dots nalang. Can you imagine if your mom had the same thinking of "isang kahig issng tuka, lalaki sa abuse, oh well patayin ko nalang."
That goes against everything we are as a species. As creatures of the earth even.
>That goes against everything we are as a species. As creatures of the earth even.
If you knew anything about biology you would know that there are several animals that can actually initiate the abortion and even absorption in-utero of their unborn progeny if the conditions they would have to give birth in are not conducive for said offspring (i.e.: scarce resources, possible predators, being possibly born during scarce seasons, etc.). Some even having the ability to pause their pregnancies until the right time.
We were unfortunately not equipped with any of that during our evolution as a species. We were, however given brains capable of rational thought, analysis and the ability to empathize and invent ways to supplement what we lack, enough to figure out means to enable us to give people the choice of when to bring forth offspring when they're ready, when resources are plenty and when it's safe for both progeny and parents.
If you knew anything about biology you would know that there are several animals that can actually initiate the abortion and even absorption in-utero of their unborn progeny if the conditions they would have to give birth in are not conducive for said offspring (i.e.: scarce resources, possible predators, being possibly born during scarce seasons, etc.). Some even having the ability to pause their pregnancies until the right time.
--dont use other animals as an example. Dahil hindi tayo yang several animals na ginagamit mong excuse. Name one species in the ape family ang nagaabort ng anak nila.
We were unfortunately not equipped with any of that during our evolution as a species. We were, however given brains capable of rational thought, analysis and the ability to empathize and invent ways to supplement what we lack, enough to figure out means to enable us to give people the choice of when to bring forth offspring when they're ready, when resources are plenty and when it's safe for both progeny and parents.
-rational thought ba kamo? Walang rational or logical reason to killing your progeny. Animals who have no rational thinking kill their progeny. Are you an animal? Kakainin mo ba anak mo pag no choice na? You did have a choice. The moment you had sex , you know the consequences of your actions. Pinaka basic human instinct is to procreate tapos ginamit mo ang 'rational thinking' brain mo to kill the results after enjoying the deed.
Nagsasalita ka about biology even when you are 'rationaly' making excuses to break it.
If you dont want kids. Get a vasectomy. Or magpatali mga babae. Yan ang rational thinking. Hindi abortion.
My statement is about how abortion is something that is a function/ability/choice of, as you said "creatures of the earth", when it is. And we do have the ability to abort, kaya nga we have miscarriages, which are by the technical medical definition, an abortion. Either because of incompatibility of genetics or other biological or environmental factors. Maybe not by choice for many who genuinely want offspring but an abortion nonetheless.
Then we would call it abortion no hindi miscarriage if those two things are the same no? Crazy
Kaya nga theres two words to differentiate them. Grasping straws a
From google
A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medication abortions or abortion procedures.
Even google says youre wrong.
You can never make me agree on killing babies because you werent smart enough to not bring a child into this world unprepared
Actually, yung sinabi ko rin naman self explanatory na lalo sa part na hilig kasi ng ibang tao mangialam. Again, if that's your point of view then okay. Sinagot ko lang naman ang tanong nung nag post lol. Why are you triggered? And why do you keep bringing up sa nanay ko? 😂
Usapang self explanatory na din naman pala then there is absolutely no reason for anyone to support abortion. If wala tayong pakealamanan then we fail as a society. Societies formed under the pretense that some things are legal or illegal for the good of all. Walang pakealamanan mindset= anarchy mindset
Top of my head: Rape and dire medical reasons
Aside from that, the implication is that the woman engaged in unprotected sex willingly and took the inherent risk.
You’re not mentally ready? Safe sex
You don’t have the funds? Safe sex
You’re not mature enough? Safe sex
Ah yes, the woman.
Fuck "the woman". Men get free pass because they can't get pregnant.
She took the risk, made a mistake, and should be allowed to correct the mistake. How does she correct that mistake? Abortion.
“Mistake”?
Oh no!
Sounds to me like “consequences of one’s own actions”
Maybe some mistakes don’t come with backsies 🤷
Also, yes, “woman”.
You rather I name the man as the person responsible for making a decision regarding a pregnancy? 😏
Here's my argument: We live in a society where we cannot guarantee a healthy, and stable life for every person, so why should we risk the mother's health and stability just to add another person where we cannot guarantee his/her health and stability?
Unless we live in a perfect society, the only person that can decide is the mother.
If the baby will not be able to ever be independent their whole life. Ex. On life support, on medications for the rest of their lives, etc. To put simply, if the baby will just be suffering for the rest of his life.
I agree. Napaka hilig mangielam ng pinoy sa choices ng iba. Porke ayaw nila, eh dapat wag din gawin ng ibang tao. Hindi naman sila ang maapektuhan. Pinaglalaban nila na kawawa daw yung fetus pero kapag nakakita ng bata sa lansangan or naghihirap, wala naman pake. May pake lang pag fetus pa, kapag nailabas na ay bahala na sila. Lol
~ Genetic abnormalities on the baby
~ maternal predisposition to morbidity or mortality
~ History of severe post partum depression or similar illnesses
~ Severe poverty
~ war torn environment
I really wonder if you'd still say the same after you've tried raising a child born from a traumatic experience into adulthood.
It's easier to say something you'd have no way of knowing no?
You're speaking on behalf of a baby who will never have a voice.... is not sentient... and literally can't live outside its mother's body. It's not a baby. It doesn't give ashit whether it lives or dies.
Kung ipush through ang pregnancy kahit di naman emotional and financially ready for the baby, mas lalo lang kawawa yung bata kasi lalaki siya na walang secure support from their parents.
Magcacause lang ng trauma for them pag laki to the point that they might want to wish na di nalang sila pinanganak in the first place. Isa na yong valid justification for abortion.
Another thing is I am certain na most people would rather want to be aborted if it means more opportunities for their mom. Personally, if ako nakapagdecide, mas gugustuhin ko nala na i-abort ako if it would give my mom a chance to pursue her dreams and the career she wanted kung di ako pinanganak. She deserves that. She deserves to live a good life for herself.
How can you be certain na mas ginusto nilang inabort sila? Where would you get that data? For example, yung brother ko, may chance na if may abortion he and her friend would've aborted their daughter. Kasi gusto niya mag tapos ng college. Pero, since bawal abortion, he sucked it up, worked his ass off to study, be a father, and graduate without asking for money sa parents ko. (Of course, tuition and yung normal niyang allowance was tuloy-tuloy) pero yung anak nila ngayon is living in a healthy environment kahit co-parenting Napaka masayahing bata. Best in conduct, good grades, and well mannered. I doubt that she would've wanted to be aborted if may choice siya.
My brother? Now a showroom manager of a known car company. My brother and my nieces mother were 18 when they got her. Still college students sila noon. Naniniwala akong marami pang gantong kwento. Mga taong na abort dapat pero naging succesful sa buhay. Di lang pinaguusapan or di lang nagsasalita kasi successful nga.
Same lang yan dun sa sinasabing "maraming namamatay sa maling akala" pero hindi napaguusapan yung mga tamang akala na nag lead to success. Naniniwala ako marami rin yun. Mga di lang nagrereklamo or nagsasalita kasi successful nga.
I'm glad your brother and his daughter is thriving! However, ayun nga, not everyone has the same emotional and financial capacity (based on what you mentioned na tuloy tuloy pa rin ang allowance and tuition niya from ur parents) as your brother. May ibang cases kasi na tumitigil talaga sa pag-aaral or worse, di na bumabalik sa school kasi di na kinakaya ang gastusin. Hindi rin naman pwedeng ipaubaya ang gastusin sa magulang kasi paano kung walang-wala rin sila? Kaya imbes na ipang tuition, ginagastos nalang ang pera para sa kakailanganin ni baby.
We should acknowledge na iba-iba tayo ng positionality sa buhay and not everyone could get the same privileges as us. Even oo, let's say, your brother also struggled with raising the baby, but at some point, he still had your parents back during his college years kasi nagsusustento pa rin naman sa kanya. Paano ang iba na isang kayod, isang tuka lang?
We also couldn't solely put the blame to these individuals and say na, "wala na ngang mapakain, mag aanak-anak pa" kasi sila ang pinakavulnerable sector sa society. They are at a disadvantaged position kasi walang proper education at wala silang access sa iba't ibang resources that could inform them na hindi pala maganda ang pakikipagtalik nang walang proteksiyon, and yung walang tamang family planning.
Hindi rin nakakatulong na napaka negative ang attitude natin towards sex and reproduction dito sa Pilipinas and dinidiscourage ang pakikipagtalik all together instead of encouraging everyone to practice safe sex kasi hindi naman talaga maiiwasan ang makipagtalik at some point.
though I get this Idk why di na lang maging vigilant sa contraceptives mga tao. how can people hear a heartbeat and still think to abort. sinasabi kasi kesa maghirap ang bata. edi babalik sa una kong sinabi, USE PROTECTION. hindi natin madedeny na meron at merong mga tao na gagamiting form of birth control ang abortion when there are so many options available.
I know naman I personally someone who purposely didn't use protection kasi may pcos sya 🤦♀️ (fyi may pcos ako never used it as form of protection) but what's gonna happen is it's this same set of ignorant people who will get abortions din
Protection is heavily discouraged here. Kahit mga obgyn nga na super Catholic or Christian won't prescribe you one even to normalize your period. Sobrang backwards ng relationship natin with sex education that literally hard to even blame people for poor knowledge of contraceptives.
Ayun pa, sobrang judgmental natin. Bibili ka nalang ng condom sa stores mahihiya ka pa sobra so parang ayaw mo nalang bumili kasi again we don't have a healthy relationship with sex education. Even buying those Trust Pills.
And hindi foolproof ang protection. So if hindi foolproof ang protection, is the next best thing not to have sex nalang?
Hard to put the responsibility on individuals when sobrang systemic nung problem natin with sex. Eto yung tipong you won't use straws pero billionaires are flying in private jets and all. Yung individual action will have an impact pero sobrang minimal so in the grand scheme of things ang makakatulong talaga is you'd have to have an environment na having sex isn't stigmatised and we're educated properly for a situation wherein hindi sobrang bloated ng numbers ng abortion and hindi sobrang bloated ng unwanted pregnancy sa atin.
*If the unborn baby has a congenital disease, deformity, or abnormality; or the mother's life is threatened because of the risks of pregnancy and delivery.
*Quality of life and economic stability of the family involved of the responsibility.
THIS! I reside in Canada and these are few of the reasons for abortion. I had a caucasian friend who had several abortion due to her genes and his husband genes form genetic abnormality when they mate. 25% of the chance they make babies are genetically mutated (like their babies internal organs are either huge or too small for a normal, or some of the organs are missing).
I lived in Canada for a while and had my child there. From the moment doctors find out you are pregnant, they will run tests during the course of pregnancy to determine you and your baby's health. Doctors can detect autism in your 2nd trimester. They will ask you until a certain time if you want to keep or terminate. They will guide you through the process and explain everything, and the best part of it all, you don't have to pay anything (more so, you and the taxpayers already took care of it).
They will assign you your OB, your hospital, ultrasound appointments, routine bloodwork, etc. They will even refer you to pedia after you give birth. I think one of the reasons why they assist you thoroughly in this is they want women and parents to make a well-informed decision about their future and the baby's. They want you to understand the quality of life and the economic disasvantages in general.
Unless, sinasadya ng babae. I mean, sleeping around unprotected. No birth control of any kind kahit aware naman sa risk of pregnancy and STDs. Tas magugulat na nabuntis kahit ayaw naman ng anak tas ipapaabort. Gagamitin yung "my body, my rules" to justify pa. That's weird, disgusting and immoral (I'm sure most, if not everyone, will agree). Sadly, this happens irl.
P.S. I know a few na ilang beses pinangaralan about safe sex. Usage of birth control, importance of family planning, etc. pero wala e. Inuuna tawag ng laman. A girl younger than me got pregnant dito samin. They got married naman kaso the baby did not make it. They stayed married ofc kaso instead na unahin pag aaral nagpabuntis ulit. Incoming college students palang sila. As far as I know, asa parin sila sa magulang for their gastos and studies. I guess grief made them irrational 🥲
Any severity? Because there are people with cerebral palsy that have a productive life.....comedian Josh Blue for instance....Tim Renkow a UK based comedian with his own show....and RJ Mitte better known as walter white's son....they have cerebral palsy...yes they are but a small sample size to the ocean of people that have them and struggle but you never stated severity...so would you consider any unborn child regardless of severity as long as they have cerebral palsy should be aborted?
Why do people need to be bothered about this so much that they think every pregnant woman absolutely must give birth? "To experience life" in a country where majority aren't fucking poor and miserable, okay, but in the Philippines? Come on now.. that's absolute bs. You aren't going to be the one who lets that kid experience life, you aren't going to raise the kid and ensure they don't have a shitty experience, so why do you care? It's all about controlling women.
It isn't about giving everyone a chance either, because if it were then jacking off and washing off the semen would be a criminal offense. Every drop of semen has potential to make a fetus, but we're not collecting every drop of it and inserting it into women's vaginas.
Irresponsible couple = Irresponsible Parent
Mother's life will be in danger kapag tinuloy ang pregnancy
May possible congenital defects yung baby which may affect his/her activities in daily living after birth (ex. needs assistive devices and 24hr close monitoring) In short, hindi kaya mabuhay nang normal.
This. Why do people tell others to continue with pregnancies just because "you were irresponsible and you deserve it"? Such backwards logic. If they don't know how to use protection or are "all about fun" then there's no way they can handle a child.
maraming dahilan bakit may pangangailangang ilegalize ang abortion.
medical
to save the mother
rape/incest/ sexual abuse victim
deformity or medical condition of fetus
Financial /ECONOMIC incapacity
unplanned
unwanted
makakaapekto sa employment or mas mawawalan ng kakayahang magtrabaho
BTW, may org ata sa pinas na nagaadvocate to decriminalised abortion
http://pinsan.ph/
Why would the man have to pay for something he didn't agree upon? Only the woman wants the baby, only she should have responsibility for it. She asked if the guy wanted to share responsibility, response was no. She should not expect anything in return then, if it's her personal choice to continue the pregnancy. It'd just be as if the girl is leeching off of him if he has to pay.
What? So you think a guy can just escape or avoid his reponsibilities just because he doesn't want to have the baby and the mother refuses to have an abortion? Do you think it's easy to have a parasite-like INSIDE you taken out? There are so many risks. And oh, you think it's "leeching off of him" if she decides to keep the baby??? Hahaha! Did he not plant the seed himself?
if having a baby inside her womb is so difficult, why would the mother want to keep it? Heck, even the guy is advising her to get rid of it to spare both of them from the hardship of having a child. Nobody should be forced into parenthood.
The guy can leave and choose to not be a father to the kid but the responsibility still includes him so if he doesn't want anything to do with the kid, that's his choice also since you can't force someone to be a father. But you have to understand that it is still the guy's responsibility to sustain the child's needs. Why have unprotected sex if you didn't want to be a father? If you didn't want to have a kid? Unless the guy was raped. That's another story.
Why have a child if you don't have a willing father to support you? If the guy leaves, it's better to remarry someone who wants a child, and then you can have a more stable life where you aren't working 3 jobs to support the two of you alone.
The only reason needed is, the woman's body is theirs. They should be allowed to do what they want with their body. The only problem is we have no way of removing the fetus and allow it to live outside the woman's body. So who's "life" is more important. the woman's or the unborn fetus? Most will say fetus, until its born walking the streets with no food.
I happen to think that people with responsibilities (or have people who care for them) are way more important than a fetus.
Correct me if I’m wrong pero on the way I see it
The real question is
A. Are you pro-life?
B. Are you pro-living?
A explains na sinusuportahan mo yung buhay (kaya nga life eh) na magkakaron yung fetus
B explains na sinusuportahan mo kung paano mabubuhay or kung kaya na mabuhay ng fetus pag tanda in this current economy we are having, or maybe even kahit sa current financial status ng parents or maybe ng single parent
potential goes both ways (positive or negative). you don't know how that fetus will turn out.
also, what about the mother? what if wala syang capacity (physical,mental,emotional,financial,etc.) to deal with pregnancy and childbirth?
what about the father? what if wala syang capacity sa child-rearing?
what about the extended family? what if wala silang capacity to support in any way?
bawal contraception,bawal din "plan B" solutions.
tapos reklamo nang reklamo na ang dami tao, ang hirap nang buhay, etc. etc.
there are already a lot of suffering children, pati teens, pati adults halos hindi makaahon.
dadagdag pa ba?
ngii. yung nanay din po has unlimited potential. also wag sanang sabihin na abortion is only justified on rape victims. its like saying na magkakachoice lang ang babae if they were defiled, abused and sexually assaulted???
As someone na natry na magpa abort here in the PH, masasabi ko lang na tama ang naging decision ko. Dahil sa gantong klaseng mundo, government at paligid mas ok ng wag ka muna mag dagdag ng bata. Napakahirap maka survive dito sa pilipinas noh. And isipin man ng iba na salbahe at mali ang ginawa ko well atleast ngayon wala akong inaalagan. Nakakatravel, party, at shopping ako hanggat gusto ko.
If merong congenital deformities yung bata na incompatible for life.
If partial H mole (merong fetus)
If natubuan ng choriocarcinoma sa weeks na hindi pa mabubuhay yung bata if itetreat yung cancer
If ectopic pregnancy
Freedom, choice, and bodily autonomy. A woman doesn't have to get raped just to have access abortion, hindi dapat kailangang may mangyaring masama sa kanila so they can have a reason to get abortion. Some religious people need to stop imposing their beliefs on everyone, people being financially unstable, emotionally unstable, overall unstable, minors getting pregnant, complications sa pregnancy, everyone should be able to have access for abortion. It's easy to say na ilagay or igive up na lang for adoption but do y'all think all foster children get adopted? Most of them is do'n na nastuck. It's better to get them aborted than lumaki with emotionally unavailable parents, financially unstable parents, immature parents and etc kasi cycle lang yan, unstable children grow into an unstable adult (unless they get the help they needed) and they'll produce kids and then they'll grow up having emotionally unavailable or financially unstable parents.
Edit: I grew up in a religious household and I am religious myself but I agree that church must be separated from the state. Also those people na nangsheshame na "you should've closed your legs" it take two to tango, lowkey misogynistic, why can't you shame the sperm carrier? Also yung mga nagsasabi na minors who got pregnant shouldn't have any access sa abortion to "teach them a lesson" isa ka rin sa problem, this is why the poverty rate here in the Philippines kept increasing, gagawin mo pang lesson yung child to shove to the parents' throats na they made a mistake.
As someone who has experience in dealing with foster kids, sobrang nakakaawa sila. Walang permanent na house at palipat lipat kung saan saan. Less than 10% lang sa kanila ang naadopt.
Tayo sobrang happy natin kapag birthday natin pero sila nalulingkot kasi it means na less chance of getting adopted dahil older na sila.
I've seen documentaries na some foster kids were neglected, abandoned or bigla na lang magbabago yung foster parent nila once they're adopted and the fact that some of them face abuse from their new home is disheartening to know.
Ang issue kasi sa ilang adoptive parents is that they expect a perfect normal child kaya naddidisappoint sila or binabalik yung bata.
There is a reason why these kids are in the foster system and it’s because they didn’t have a safe home(trauma, abuse, abandonment etc?) so most of the time they need ad justment sa new home or even therapy for their traumas.
Freedom and bodily autonomy. The fact that pregnancy in itself is a mortal risk to the mother. Therefore it is the mother who gets to decide that justification - not the state and most freaking definitely not the church.
The decision to not have kids should be made before spreading the legs.
I would however favor abortion if it's from rape or if the child has abnormalities.
1. Rape
2. If the mother has a very low chance of surviving and they choose to not continue pregnancy.
I, for one, do not support abortion BUT there are circumstances that people should be given a choice, especially rape victims due to the fact how emotionally, mentally and physically tolling it is to carry a child borne of rape.
Pero kung gusto mo ng abortion kasi nakikipag sex ka without protection para lang may option ka after, hindi abortion kailangan mo, common sense dapat at contraceptives.
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Maybe rape / medical conditions, and nothing else. Please dont engage to premarital s* if you’re not ready!
people can be married and not be ready for children.
Medical conditions are the ONLY justified reason.
Enough reason na siguro yung alam mong 'di mo pa afford magkababy whether financially, physically or emotionally. 'Di na need ijustify.
They can counter this argument with adoption. “Ipa - ampon mo sa mayaman at matino.”
Totoo. Pero mahirap talaga makipagdebate sa mga sarado isip eh. Matino din naman ako hahaha, pero kung ayaw ko pagdaanan ng katawan ko ang pregnancy, its still my call 'di ba. Tsaka mas mahirap naman yung habang buhay kong kargo na may iniluwal ako sa mundo tapos 'di ko alam kung lalaki ba syang maayos sa pangangalaga nung mga "mayaman at matino" na yun.
Life threatening condition of the mother. Take one's life to save another.
If we take rape out of the convo, I guess medical complications are a legit reason, like siguro if hindi kakayanin ng katawan ng nanay yung pregnancy. I'm gonna sound pretty cold, but idgaf. I guess I'm pretty jaded now so w/e. I think the "my body my choice" na paulit ulit sinasabi is fucking bullshit even though it's technically true, especially kung gagamitin din lang as an "oops" yung abortion. Ang dami daming ways to prevent a pregnancy, bakit di yon ang ginamit. Kung hindi "oops" yung reason, like maybe ayaw mo lang talaga magkaanak, the argument still stands. Don't let whoever you're having sex with cum inside. Same thing with men, kung ayaw nyo magkaanak, ayaw nyo biglang sasabihin ng gf mo na "babe buntis ako" then don't cum inside her. Or better yet, everyone should just stop fucking people who they aren't in a relationship with. Responsibility lang ang kailangan. Ironically, I also believe that we shouldn't be focusing on banning abortion but rather on making it so that women wouldn't need to get them. But obviously that's not an easy thing to do, coz that entails teaching everyone to be responsible for their actions, so eh, whatever. Bahala sila, sila din mayayari nyan in the long run. Not really my problem tbh
'Di deserve ng anyone ang maipanganak with parents na hindi naman sila ginusto
Malamang there's no justification. Di ko gets mga tao. Why are we focusing on making laws on banning abortions when dapat nagfofocus tayo sa pagpalit ng systema para hindi na piliin ng mga babae magka-abortion. Kala ba ng mga tao madali magka abortion? Sus hindi mhie. Merong limit sa katawan din ng babae kung ilang abortion pwede siya mag undergo until maging life threatening sa kanya. Which begs the question bakit nga ba pinipilian nila magkaabortion despite risks? And bakit iniisip natin kasalanan din nila palagi kaya nagkaka-abortion? Maganda sana kung yung gobyerno trato nila sa tao parang pamilya o kaibigan nila. Aalagaan mga tao(health care), tutulungan nila maging independent(education) at pag nagkamali tutulungan para mas maging mabuting tao(social services). Eh hindi eh, di ganyan eh. At yung unang una talagang pag iisipan ay dahil tamad at pabaya. Hayst. At jusko for a christian country bakit ang laki ng lait pag teenage pregnancy? Kala ko di ba celebrate new life? Eh di bakit nilalait natin yung ganyan? Ha? Ano na mga people wag double standard. Yung mga "prolife" diyan di naman talaga prolife eh, gusto lang nila mapanganak ng babae yung bata na nasa sinapupunan niya. Bahala na kung namatay ang bata, magkaedukasyon ang bata, kung may magsusupporta sa anak. Wala. Prolife ba talaga yan? Pag isipan ng mabuti. Oo masaklap na merong pipiliin magka abortion pero bakit ba sila nagka abortion at may ginawa ba ang mga tao sa paligid para tulungan yung babaeng yun para di niya maisip na magkaabortion? Mas may sala sa akin ang mga tao na nag contribute sa environment na nagpupush sa mga babae magka-abortion.
Ito masyado sigurong radical para sa iba, pero nabasa ko noon: “I don’t consent having my body used for life creation” Haha Pero ANYTHING. Point blank.
No need for justification. Ayaw mo magka anak eh. Yun lg.
All
Just bodily autonomy. Thats why its pro-choice. And the opposite of it isnt “pro-life” but anti-choice. Banning abortion makes it harder for women who suffers from ectopic pregnancy to get abortion in general. Victims of rape Women who cant afford to raise a child on their own, or even as a family. In this economy?????
ung mga anak nang anak pero di kaya tustusan yung mga bata
rape and unaffordability
valid reason: because i want to. my body, my choice.
Not your body not your choice is enough
If seemed you want a child of your own, but cant due to your own situation like you barely getting by, its a better course of action than to raise a kid which will suffer in the end. Its merciful this way.
No need to justify we have free will for a reason.
Kapag "unwanted" yun pregnancy, tipong student pa tapos nabuntis na. Oo, kasalanan nila di sila nagiingat pero kung dadalhin nila yun bata tapos puro resentment lang, huwag na.
Pero kapag nabuntis uli, ikulong na lang ung nanay o kaya ung guardian punyeta sila
None
Poverty. Poor education system. Poor medical benefits. Ang dami. Nagpapabound lang tayo sa mga relihiyosong comment lang naman ang ambag. Kung religion and logic run in parallel, ang ganda ng pilipinas ngayon
In a perfect world, because the woman wants to. No need to further elaborate why.
True. Sobrang hirap maging parents, paano pa pag hindi ka pa talaga ready o kaya hindi mo gusto?
Child birth will either kill the baby or the mother, but that isn't a good reason because any provider or any woman can claim that is a possibility because it is
Rape and Ectopic Pregnancy or any kind of pregnancy that endangers the woman
Ectopic pregnacg is a pregnancy outside the uterus kaming mga medical ally when we hear it kahit against pa man pakinggan we would suggest abortion right away, why? Because risk for bleeding na si mommy and anytime she can die from it.
fyi kapag ectopic pregancy matik na di na viable yun. (except in abdominal pregnancies) talagang inaabort yun
Chill teh, alam ko meaning ng ectopic pregnancy. D naman ako nkpag argue sayo FYI din.
weird lang siguro wording for me na you would suggest abortion as if there is another option to go about an ectopic pregnancy
To make it more subtle sa patiente na abortion ag gawin nya but *Suggestion* is always goes with *dapat* na gawin nya. If you're there sa situation na yon everytime na kakausapin namin ang mag asawa, walang perfect script/words to break it to them gently na they will loose the baby .
If the reason of abortion is ectopic pregnancy, it's already valid dito sa Pilipinas knowing it's an "emergency situation" na need ng agarang action.
Abortion will happen, legal or not. They are just very very very unsafe kung hindi legal. Women die from it. Hindi naman light decision yung abortion or pregnancy eh, yung mga nagdecide na magtuloy, magtutuloy talaga yan, yung mga hindi, hindi din talaga. Iniisip kasi ng iba parang chocolate or vanilla lang yan eh, na kapag may new flavor i-try lahat ng mga tao out of curiosity. Hindi naman eh.
When a woman was raped or got impregnated without her consent.
OP said “bukod sa rape…”
overpopulation. lalo na sa mga uneducated. majority umasa nalng sa 4 p's kaya anak nang anak. Lalo tayo naghihirap.
Walang balak mag sustento yung lalake. like bakit sila may choice pero ang babae wala?
💯
Too many people. Overpopulation cripples the world's resources overtime and NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE are working for ways to renew it. Yung iba sa atin ang gusto na lang ay kumain tapos bahala na. Yung iba nga wala na makain tapos mag-aanak pa. Ayaw ng nagdadala or mga hindi pa handa maging magulang. Why bother raising a kid if hindi mo naman kayang suportahan nor gabayan nang maayos? If sarili mo hindi mo kayang masustentuhan paano pa kung may bata ka nang inaalagaan? Also legalize abortion if may chance man na magkaroon ng genetic defects yung bata. Lalo na yung iba dyan eh uso anakan yung mga anak o kapatid nila. Morally wrong na nga, gusto niyo pa magluwal ng bata na maghihirap and hindi magkakaroon ng chance lumaki nang maayos at sumaya sa buhay. Dapat bago magkaroon ng anak eh may assessment muna. If di niyo kaya suportahan o kahit pag-aralin man lang at gabayan eh i-abort niyo na. Kesa lumaki na hindi maayos at magkaron ng chance maging kriminal o bobotante dahil kulang sa edukasyon. Wag niyo na kami hilahin pababa at yang mga desisyon nyo eh pwede maka-apekto sa pangkalahatan. Legalize abortion kasi mas marami itong positibong epekto sa society natin kesa downsides. Ang downsides lang naman niyan eh may mga magagalit particularly our church. Kung ang pagkakaroon ng anak ay blessings mula sa Diyos at kung lahat ng sobra ay nakakasama therefore we can conclude na masama na sa society natin yung mga taong nag-aanak nang marami tapos hindi pinag-iisipan. Buti sana kung isa lang yung papahirapan niyong palakihin. Kaso gusto niyo lima lima. Madali lang yan eh. Kung sa tingin niyo kawawa sa inyo yung mga bata habang lumalaki sila, i-abort niyo na. Legalize abortion.
If the pregnancy will endanger the life of the woman If the fetus is not developing normally and will most probably be stillborn or will not live long due to severe abnormalities In the case of children who are victims of rape
her body, her choice. whatever the reason is -- walang dapat mangialam doon. :)
Nasabi n naman mostly ng iba ung “reasons”. Just to add, if the would be mother is too young and the delivery would pose extreme risk to her. Also, at this point let’s just legalized it. There are hundreds of thousands Filipina ang nag uundergo ng mga under the table abortions dito satin, and madami sknila nadidisgrasya/namamatay.
Comedian talaga yung mga pro choice eh, yung mali itatama gamit ng isa pang mali, laugh trip eh. parang ganito eh, naka bangga ka may dalawa kang option 1) sumuko sa pulis 2) gulungan ulo nung nabangga mo Alam mo na kung ano sagot nung mga pro choice dito hahahahahaha
Paka bobong analogy
pag hindi matanggap\*\*\*
No uterus, no opinion.
can't prove me wrong, lmao. would rather resort to murder in the name of "choice" lmaaaao
yung analogy mo, sablay at offensive. women's right to choose is not a crime, karapatan niya 'yan bilang tao.
sabi nga, your right ends when anothers rights begins pero alam kong foreign concept sa inyo yan. hahahahaha
since you care so much about the child why not adopt it after? adopt every child in the adoption center, ganyan ka pala ka may pake. may masabi ka lang talaga.
Ad hominem, lmao. wala na ba kayong ibang argument? may pake ka sa mga na rape na babae? Ilan na inalagaan mong narape na babae sa bahay nyo? may pake ka sa mga homeless? Agree ka bang dapat patayin ung mga walang bahay? Ilang homeless na pinatira nyo sa bahay nyo? bigyan mo kong resibo na lahat ng mga yan pinatira at inalagaan nyo sa bahay nyo tapos saka mo ko balikan. “may masabi ka lang talaga”
changing the topic to the real issue which is WOMEN's RIGHTS. let women live their lives and let them choose whatever they want to do with their bodies. you care more about the unborn child than the women? lmao
Changing the real topic? sino ba nauna mag ad hominem dito? laugh trip talaga. >you care more about the unborn child than the women? lmao lumalabas talaga tunay na nature ng tao pag desperado na eh, ano tingin mo dun sa baby? Walang rights? Hindi tao? Lmao ano? Order lang sa lazada na pag hindi natripan pedeng icancel? don’t make me laugh. edit: ulitin ko ha, alam kong foreign concept sa inyo to, pero ang rights ng isang tao ay nagtatapos pag naapektuhan na nito ang rights ng iba.
Her body, her choice. Ano man ang dahilan. Ang labo lang nung "pro-life" pag nasa sinapupunan, pero bahalakanajan pag na ire na. Also, paano naman yung life nung babae? Wala lang? Sa usaping sex, lam namam nating lahat na di lang pampamilya yun. Nandoon din yung choice to create or pleasure. Labo talaga marinig talaga yung ibang lalake na anlakas maka-"yoko mag condom kasi iba talaga pag raw" tas pag may babaeng mag papaabort, dame ebas. Let the girlies decide for their bodies.
Her body, her choice. That’s just it.
If they are victims of rape, sexual assault, domestic abuse and violence.
When you're not ready to have and raise a child, that should be your sign that it's not the right time for you. Sure, you can deliver a baby and give them up for adoption, but how sure are you na sa matinong pamilya sya mapupunta? And think how hurtful it is for them to find out they were given up as a baby. So, if you can't raise one, don't bring one into this world.
Pwede namn gumamit ng protection since readily avail na siya at easy to access kung ganyan din reason tbh.
"What are the possible reasons for abortion?" was the question, not how to stop getting pregnant. Also, you can use a bunch of protection all the time but are they 100% effective?! Condoms gives you 98% effectivity rate. Contraceptive pills are 93% effective. Others ranges from 85%-99% effectivity rate. Having abortion legal in this country gives women the freedom to choose.
I mean yun nga purpose nun diba? And kung risk lang meron dyan good quality that you should invest in since they are cheap. Yes there is still risk of being pregnant pero mas okay na yun kesa mag raw diba?
WTF is even your point?! Contraception is not cheap. Siguro condoms are cheap but the pills, IUD, Vasectomy and so on are not. You better get off this thread because you're so out of it. You can't even understand the difference between abortion and contraception. 🤷♀️
my sister got pregnant while on birth control, 6months into pregnancy, iniwan siya ng bf niya. she went into postpartum depression after that made her lose her hair and her mental health went downhill, she's still on meds right now. if only abortion was legal in the philippines she would've continued with her life.
Hindi kailangan ng reason kasi ‘yong babaeng buntis naman ang magsa-suffer physically, emotionally, mentally at financially kung itutuloy. Ang dapat hanapan ng reasons to justify eh bakit nakikialam ‘yong mga tao na hindi naman sasaluhin ‘yong hirap nung babae.
Kung alam naman pala na di kakayanin why just use protection instead?
Maraming pwede maging reasons kung bakit walang protection. Pwede ring nasira ‘yong protection. Pwede rin ginusto pero noong nandyan na, na-realize na hindi pala ready. Pero does it mean na wala ng karapatan ang babae sa katawan nya dahil lang hindi gumamit ng protection? Syempre meron parin, katawan nya ‘yon. Hindi naman ‘yon naging katawan ng ibang tao noong nabuntis sya. Hindi naman ibang tao ang maghihirap magdala at ipanganak ang bata para sakanya.
Ang weird ng scenario, sakin lang once mag make kayo ng decision ng partner mo dapat 100% sure since di naman yan na item sa lazada na kung di mo magustuhan eh pwede mo i-cancel. Well opinion mo yan so I respect it
Actually hindi sya weird lalo na sa first time moms. Hindi naman porket napanuod mo na sa TV o nabasa mo eh alam mo na feeling ng buntis. Exactly hindi sya parang item sa Lazada dahil bukod sa paghihirapan mo ‘yan for months ay need mo i-make sure na makakapag provide ka hanggang maging adult sya. We all make mistakes at hindi porket naging tanga ka sa decision mo sa sex/pregnancy ay wala ka ng karapatan sa katawan mo.
Pasok muna ako dito. If you mean condoms, well at most 87% ang effectivity niya in a good use, unless pag nabutas yan o naslip, or worse tinanggal ang condom during sex. If you mean birth control methods that depends sa effectivity rin. Birth Control Pills, Depo Shots, Injectibles, and others are dependent on each women's health condition and lifestyle, and at most effective lang siya between 90-95% on a perfect use. If we are aiming for the most effective one, we have IUDs. Pero yung copper type costs between 2-10k pesos then yung hormonal can reach up to Php 35,000. And with all the availabilty ng birth control methods, none of them are 100% effective. Always consider yung remaining percent kasi it happens (even IUD users get pregnant pag mali ang placing or sometimes ectopic pregnancy). The only birth control method that is 100% effective is being abstinent. But women can get pregnant by rape.
Yes, dapat naman di pagkait sa rape victims ang abortion because di naman nila ginusto ang nangyari sa kanya, sa opnion ko lang kung ganun nga reason just use protection since yun din naman purpose niya diba? Unless may other purpose pa siya and you could invest for a good brand naman na di madaling masira since mostly sa kanila ay cheap but good quality.
Well yes ang purpose ng protection (Im gonna assume that you mean condoms) is both a birth control method and for STI protection (which yun daw yung original purpose nun). And yeah I heard from some men na there are high quality condoms that can be purchased (online most likely). But that's where the problem starts, not everyone can afford good quality condoms. Take a look sa usual 7-11, mercury drugs, groceries. Most common condoms na binebenta are Trust Condoms, which may lingering na review na hindi siya ganong ka effective? There's also Premium, Durex, and if anything napakadaling makakuha ng condoms really. Kuha ka sa barangay center, or sometimes sa clinic ng opisina mo, or sa botika. But syempre condoms are purchased by their quality and hiyang sa lalaki. Eh kung hiyang nga lang ang lalaki to even use it. And also, I assume that you are a responsible sexually active guy who use protection but a lot of men here in our country are either wary, not knowledgable enough to properly use a condom, or simply doesnt want to use it. I've met and heard some guys who uses 1 condom in all sessions instead of routinely changing it per round. There are also some men who aren't educated enough how to properly wear a condom (and some actually wear 2 condoms at the same time for added protection daw) and also there's also men who doesnt use it at all because it decreases sensation, pleasure, masakit daw sa ari nila (which is common in ill-fitted ones) or like some of my workmates, truly believed that withdrawal method is an effective way and in his words, "sukatan kung gaano kagaling ang lalaki sa kama" Some other side notes is that condoms can easily tear off pag nagamit siya in dry sex, or pag nasobra ng gamit, or sometimes nabutas siya. And once nabutas yun kahit isang tusok lang ng karayom, that effectivity drastically falls down. So no, protections aren't THAT effective as you thought it was.
Well yun na ang problema sa batas natin regarding safe sex since regarding that topic it's really awful na di nila pinag-tutuunan ng pansin to and kung regarding sa madaling masira sorry di ko alam pero diba may lubricant para sa mga ganyan?
Yes as far as I know alam ko meron eh (if Im not mistaken yung EZ jelly pouch?) Pero again, not everyone are aware na lubricants exist. May mga tao na they thought sapat lang ang laway, some used petrol jelly apparently. And some thought lubricants are like suppositories na ginagamit lang sa medical procedures gaya ng ultrasound. Point is a lot of people dont know about lubricants, or even the idea na condoms and lubricants go together talaga. And yeah may problema talaga ang safe sex act natin kasi one, sex is still a taboo here in majority of the population. Two, tsismis culture, may malamang lang na isa nagsex kinahiya o hinaharass o even pinapahiya via tsismis. Three, lack of education; may sense of embarassment na magturo about sex which natitigil yung maayos na pag educate ng sex sa kabataan (and even sa mga matatanda) tapos haluan mo pa ng exposure to porn which majority of the videos published promotes unsafe/raw sex, so ang labas may pangit na knowledge about sex in general.
Yep ito tlga! walang rason to decline women of abortion kasi it's just a right to exercise a decision upon yourself. So the main reason kung bakit justified ang abortion because its supposed to be a choice, but its currently being taken away from women.
I wish I was aborted. My parents were not ready for me financially and mentally. I feel like my mother's life could have been so much better without me tas may chance pa sana sya makawala sa tatay ko nung bata pa sya. Growing up, parating depleted talaga yung needs ko dahil sa finances. Hindi sya joke. Nakakasawa mabuhay na ganon. Parating gutom tapos parating na ooff kuryente at tubig. Nahihinto ako sa school so many times. Dahil sa finances rin, may maraming stress sa bahay which led to abuse. Parating sinasabi saken na ako yung cause ng lahat lahat kakasira. My mother and I have been assaulted plus yung abuse nakuha ng nanay ko, she also gives it to me. For me, it's cruel having to bring someone suffer all of these things dahil hindi ka ready.
Sana kumabig ng bonggang bongga yung buhay mo. Ipagdadasal kita.
1.) rape / coerced 2.) affected quality of life of offspring that would impose difficulty if not lifetime of hardships (mentally-affected or physical defects) 3.) endangered life of mother from pregnancy/giving birth 4.) inability to financially sustain the needs of a baby 5.) unwanted birth even by the mother bearing the child
marami. including ang reason na hindi ka ready. di porque nagkamali ka, specially ang babae, eh sisirain mo na yung buhay mo. oo, nakakasira ng buhay pag nagpalaki ka ng bata nang hindi ka handa. di lang buhay mo, pati rin buhay ng bata. sa umpisa, syempre cute ang baby pero pag sumampa na yan ng certain age nawawala na yung happy bump na tinatawag at dun mo marerealize na hindi ka dapat naganak. maraming mga bata ang humihiling na sana hindi nalang sila pinanganak kasi lumaki sila sa abusive family at walang pagmamahal. pag yan eh nasa first quarter, clump of cell palang yan. kahit may heartbeat, hindi pa tao yan. noon anti abortion ako pero mula nung nababasa ko yung reason ng mga westerners and other countries that allows abortion, naintindihan ko na abortion is healthcare. hindi naman mawawala ang mga nagpapaabort kahit na illigal yan dito satin. why not make it legal para less risk sa mga nagpapaabort?
Dont eut if you wont take the risk of making a life. Otherwise dont justify abortion as an excuse for said mishap.
May congenital defect. Maghihirap lang lalo yan kapag lumaki.
women shouldn't be asked to justify it to begin with.
Medical reasons ONLY, yung kailangan na talaga dahil nakasalalay ang buhay ng nanay.
Hey, greetings to the 3rd World :)
RAPED. ABUSED. MOLESTED. NON CONSENSUAL.
Their body, their choice. Di ko talaga gets yung ipipilit na wag i-abort dahil "blessing" pero sige naman ang pag chismis sayo. Hilig kasi ng ibang tao mangelam sa buhay ng iba e hahaha for me, Im pro-choice din. Wala akong pake sa reason ng tao kung bakit nya gusto magpa-abort. "Go, abort mo if that's what you think is right." Ganyan lang sinasabi ko madalas hahaha kasi di ko naman sila pipilitin na "uy wag..." kasi at the end of the day, sila pa rin mag dadala nung baby, sila pa rin mahihirapan, lalo na kung mabubuhay lang ang bata sa poverty. Wag na lang diba. Sana stop na pag romanticize sa "laki sa hirap" kasi bakit?!?
Hindi na usapang blessing. Usapang morality nalang. How can you abort a life. Let alone thinking of it? Pagsamasamahin mo lahat ng sinabi mo and think if your mom thought of that.
😂 bakit naman nadamay ang nanay ko? Lol. But to answer your question, as I've said, their body. Their choice. Its their life bakit ko papakelamanan? Bakit ako mag bibigay ng comment? I think its more justifiable to have it aborted kesa buhayin, tapos ano? Isang kahig, isang tuka? Lalaki sa abuse? Hindi manlang maibigay ang simpleng needs ng bata? No proper education? Mas maganda ba yun? Ang pag view sa morality is different sa bawat tao. Kung di ka agree sa comment ko, its w fine me. Idc tbh.
Its pretty self explanatory what ive said. Connect the dots nalang. Can you imagine if your mom had the same thinking of "isang kahig issng tuka, lalaki sa abuse, oh well patayin ko nalang." That goes against everything we are as a species. As creatures of the earth even.
>That goes against everything we are as a species. As creatures of the earth even. If you knew anything about biology you would know that there are several animals that can actually initiate the abortion and even absorption in-utero of their unborn progeny if the conditions they would have to give birth in are not conducive for said offspring (i.e.: scarce resources, possible predators, being possibly born during scarce seasons, etc.). Some even having the ability to pause their pregnancies until the right time. We were unfortunately not equipped with any of that during our evolution as a species. We were, however given brains capable of rational thought, analysis and the ability to empathize and invent ways to supplement what we lack, enough to figure out means to enable us to give people the choice of when to bring forth offspring when they're ready, when resources are plenty and when it's safe for both progeny and parents.
If you knew anything about biology you would know that there are several animals that can actually initiate the abortion and even absorption in-utero of their unborn progeny if the conditions they would have to give birth in are not conducive for said offspring (i.e.: scarce resources, possible predators, being possibly born during scarce seasons, etc.). Some even having the ability to pause their pregnancies until the right time. --dont use other animals as an example. Dahil hindi tayo yang several animals na ginagamit mong excuse. Name one species in the ape family ang nagaabort ng anak nila. We were unfortunately not equipped with any of that during our evolution as a species. We were, however given brains capable of rational thought, analysis and the ability to empathize and invent ways to supplement what we lack, enough to figure out means to enable us to give people the choice of when to bring forth offspring when they're ready, when resources are plenty and when it's safe for both progeny and parents. -rational thought ba kamo? Walang rational or logical reason to killing your progeny. Animals who have no rational thinking kill their progeny. Are you an animal? Kakainin mo ba anak mo pag no choice na? You did have a choice. The moment you had sex , you know the consequences of your actions. Pinaka basic human instinct is to procreate tapos ginamit mo ang 'rational thinking' brain mo to kill the results after enjoying the deed. Nagsasalita ka about biology even when you are 'rationaly' making excuses to break it. If you dont want kids. Get a vasectomy. Or magpatali mga babae. Yan ang rational thinking. Hindi abortion.
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My statement is about how abortion is something that is a function/ability/choice of, as you said "creatures of the earth", when it is. And we do have the ability to abort, kaya nga we have miscarriages, which are by the technical medical definition, an abortion. Either because of incompatibility of genetics or other biological or environmental factors. Maybe not by choice for many who genuinely want offspring but an abortion nonetheless.
Then we would call it abortion no hindi miscarriage if those two things are the same no? Crazy Kaya nga theres two words to differentiate them. Grasping straws a From google A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medication abortions or abortion procedures. Even google says youre wrong. You can never make me agree on killing babies because you werent smart enough to not bring a child into this world unprepared
You and your values are damaged beyond opportunity of repair
Says the person who is supporting to make killing babies legal. Lol.
Actually, yung sinabi ko rin naman self explanatory na lalo sa part na hilig kasi ng ibang tao mangialam. Again, if that's your point of view then okay. Sinagot ko lang naman ang tanong nung nag post lol. Why are you triggered? And why do you keep bringing up sa nanay ko? 😂
Usapang self explanatory na din naman pala then there is absolutely no reason for anyone to support abortion. If wala tayong pakealamanan then we fail as a society. Societies formed under the pretense that some things are legal or illegal for the good of all. Walang pakealamanan mindset= anarchy mindset
Nakaawa mga bata na ipinanganak sa mga pamilya na hindi marunong mag alaga sa kanila or poor + 'basta kumpleto at kasama ang pamilya, sapat na' bs
Top of my head: Rape and dire medical reasons Aside from that, the implication is that the woman engaged in unprotected sex willingly and took the inherent risk. You’re not mentally ready? Safe sex You don’t have the funds? Safe sex You’re not mature enough? Safe sex
Ah yes, the woman. Fuck "the woman". Men get free pass because they can't get pregnant. She took the risk, made a mistake, and should be allowed to correct the mistake. How does she correct that mistake? Abortion.
“Mistake”? Oh no! Sounds to me like “consequences of one’s own actions” Maybe some mistakes don’t come with backsies 🤷 Also, yes, “woman”. You rather I name the man as the person responsible for making a decision regarding a pregnancy? 😏
Here's my argument: We live in a society where we cannot guarantee a healthy, and stable life for every person, so why should we risk the mother's health and stability just to add another person where we cannot guarantee his/her health and stability? Unless we live in a perfect society, the only person that can decide is the mother.
Medical reasons. If it puts the mother or the baby in danger.
iargue na hindi pa buhay/living yung iaabort para hindi siya tantamount to killing a life
Rape Victims
If you're not financially, emotionally and mentally ready. You're putting yourself and the kid's life in a whole lot of misery.
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If the baby will not be able to ever be independent their whole life. Ex. On life support, on medications for the rest of their lives, etc. To put simply, if the baby will just be suffering for the rest of his life.
pag medically necessary
Wala. Their body, their fvcking choice. If you don't want one, don't get one. Same with divorce, is that really hard to understand?
The only right answer. Mukha lang progressive ang Pilipinas, pero hindi naman talaga. And you will see that pag pinag-usapan na ang abortion.
I agree. Napaka hilig mangielam ng pinoy sa choices ng iba. Porke ayaw nila, eh dapat wag din gawin ng ibang tao. Hindi naman sila ang maapektuhan. Pinaglalaban nila na kawawa daw yung fetus pero kapag nakakita ng bata sa lansangan or naghihirap, wala naman pake. May pake lang pag fetus pa, kapag nailabas na ay bahala na sila. Lol
Risk ng mother sa pregnancy, life or death
~ Genetic abnormalities on the baby ~ maternal predisposition to morbidity or mortality ~ History of severe post partum depression or similar illnesses ~ Severe poverty ~ war torn environment
financial instability
Quality of life for the unborn child. Would you want to bring a child to this world knowing they would most likely suffer?
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I really wonder if you'd still say the same after you've tried raising a child born from a traumatic experience into adulthood. It's easier to say something you'd have no way of knowing no?
You're speaking on behalf of a baby who will never have a voice.... is not sentient... and literally can't live outside its mother's body. It's not a baby. It doesn't give ashit whether it lives or dies.
Kung ipush through ang pregnancy kahit di naman emotional and financially ready for the baby, mas lalo lang kawawa yung bata kasi lalaki siya na walang secure support from their parents. Magcacause lang ng trauma for them pag laki to the point that they might want to wish na di nalang sila pinanganak in the first place. Isa na yong valid justification for abortion. Another thing is I am certain na most people would rather want to be aborted if it means more opportunities for their mom. Personally, if ako nakapagdecide, mas gugustuhin ko nala na i-abort ako if it would give my mom a chance to pursue her dreams and the career she wanted kung di ako pinanganak. She deserves that. She deserves to live a good life for herself.
How can you be certain na mas ginusto nilang inabort sila? Where would you get that data? For example, yung brother ko, may chance na if may abortion he and her friend would've aborted their daughter. Kasi gusto niya mag tapos ng college. Pero, since bawal abortion, he sucked it up, worked his ass off to study, be a father, and graduate without asking for money sa parents ko. (Of course, tuition and yung normal niyang allowance was tuloy-tuloy) pero yung anak nila ngayon is living in a healthy environment kahit co-parenting Napaka masayahing bata. Best in conduct, good grades, and well mannered. I doubt that she would've wanted to be aborted if may choice siya. My brother? Now a showroom manager of a known car company. My brother and my nieces mother were 18 when they got her. Still college students sila noon. Naniniwala akong marami pang gantong kwento. Mga taong na abort dapat pero naging succesful sa buhay. Di lang pinaguusapan or di lang nagsasalita kasi successful nga. Same lang yan dun sa sinasabing "maraming namamatay sa maling akala" pero hindi napaguusapan yung mga tamang akala na nag lead to success. Naniniwala ako marami rin yun. Mga di lang nagrereklamo or nagsasalita kasi successful nga.
I'm glad your brother and his daughter is thriving! However, ayun nga, not everyone has the same emotional and financial capacity (based on what you mentioned na tuloy tuloy pa rin ang allowance and tuition niya from ur parents) as your brother. May ibang cases kasi na tumitigil talaga sa pag-aaral or worse, di na bumabalik sa school kasi di na kinakaya ang gastusin. Hindi rin naman pwedeng ipaubaya ang gastusin sa magulang kasi paano kung walang-wala rin sila? Kaya imbes na ipang tuition, ginagastos nalang ang pera para sa kakailanganin ni baby. We should acknowledge na iba-iba tayo ng positionality sa buhay and not everyone could get the same privileges as us. Even oo, let's say, your brother also struggled with raising the baby, but at some point, he still had your parents back during his college years kasi nagsusustento pa rin naman sa kanya. Paano ang iba na isang kayod, isang tuka lang? We also couldn't solely put the blame to these individuals and say na, "wala na ngang mapakain, mag aanak-anak pa" kasi sila ang pinakavulnerable sector sa society. They are at a disadvantaged position kasi walang proper education at wala silang access sa iba't ibang resources that could inform them na hindi pala maganda ang pakikipagtalik nang walang proteksiyon, and yung walang tamang family planning. Hindi rin nakakatulong na napaka negative ang attitude natin towards sex and reproduction dito sa Pilipinas and dinidiscourage ang pakikipagtalik all together instead of encouraging everyone to practice safe sex kasi hindi naman talaga maiiwasan ang makipagtalik at some point.
though I get this Idk why di na lang maging vigilant sa contraceptives mga tao. how can people hear a heartbeat and still think to abort. sinasabi kasi kesa maghirap ang bata. edi babalik sa una kong sinabi, USE PROTECTION. hindi natin madedeny na meron at merong mga tao na gagamiting form of birth control ang abortion when there are so many options available.
Mahirap maging vigilant if hindi educated about it. You won't believe the number of ignorant people who think condoms can be reused.
I know naman I personally someone who purposely didn't use protection kasi may pcos sya 🤦♀️ (fyi may pcos ako never used it as form of protection) but what's gonna happen is it's this same set of ignorant people who will get abortions din
Protection is heavily discouraged here. Kahit mga obgyn nga na super Catholic or Christian won't prescribe you one even to normalize your period. Sobrang backwards ng relationship natin with sex education that literally hard to even blame people for poor knowledge of contraceptives. Ayun pa, sobrang judgmental natin. Bibili ka nalang ng condom sa stores mahihiya ka pa sobra so parang ayaw mo nalang bumili kasi again we don't have a healthy relationship with sex education. Even buying those Trust Pills. And hindi foolproof ang protection. So if hindi foolproof ang protection, is the next best thing not to have sex nalang? Hard to put the responsibility on individuals when sobrang systemic nung problem natin with sex. Eto yung tipong you won't use straws pero billionaires are flying in private jets and all. Yung individual action will have an impact pero sobrang minimal so in the grand scheme of things ang makakatulong talaga is you'd have to have an environment na having sex isn't stigmatised and we're educated properly for a situation wherein hindi sobrang bloated ng numbers ng abortion and hindi sobrang bloated ng unwanted pregnancy sa atin.
*If the unborn baby has a congenital disease, deformity, or abnormality; or the mother's life is threatened because of the risks of pregnancy and delivery. *Quality of life and economic stability of the family involved of the responsibility.
THIS! I reside in Canada and these are few of the reasons for abortion. I had a caucasian friend who had several abortion due to her genes and his husband genes form genetic abnormality when they mate. 25% of the chance they make babies are genetically mutated (like their babies internal organs are either huge or too small for a normal, or some of the organs are missing).
I lived in Canada for a while and had my child there. From the moment doctors find out you are pregnant, they will run tests during the course of pregnancy to determine you and your baby's health. Doctors can detect autism in your 2nd trimester. They will ask you until a certain time if you want to keep or terminate. They will guide you through the process and explain everything, and the best part of it all, you don't have to pay anything (more so, you and the taxpayers already took care of it). They will assign you your OB, your hospital, ultrasound appointments, routine bloodwork, etc. They will even refer you to pedia after you give birth. I think one of the reasons why they assist you thoroughly in this is they want women and parents to make a well-informed decision about their future and the baby's. They want you to understand the quality of life and the economic disasvantages in general.
No reason. Women should be able to abort safe and free just because they want to
Unless, sinasadya ng babae. I mean, sleeping around unprotected. No birth control of any kind kahit aware naman sa risk of pregnancy and STDs. Tas magugulat na nabuntis kahit ayaw naman ng anak tas ipapaabort. Gagamitin yung "my body, my rules" to justify pa. That's weird, disgusting and immoral (I'm sure most, if not everyone, will agree). Sadly, this happens irl. P.S. I know a few na ilang beses pinangaralan about safe sex. Usage of birth control, importance of family planning, etc. pero wala e. Inuuna tawag ng laman. A girl younger than me got pregnant dito samin. They got married naman kaso the baby did not make it. They stayed married ofc kaso instead na unahin pag aaral nagpabuntis ulit. Incoming college students palang sila. As far as I know, asa parin sila sa magulang for their gastos and studies. I guess grief made them irrational 🥲
how did this girl impacted your life in general?
No, theres should be a reason pa din.
Walang kakayanan buhayin ang bata.
Medical doctor here. If the life of the mother is threatened by the pregnancy.
Economic status. Poor people should not make more poor people, not with zero planning, that is.
-Rape -Unborn child is detected with physical and/or mental deformities, which is financial strain in the long term
Expound on mental deformities....provide examples
Cerebral palsy would be one
Any severity? Because there are people with cerebral palsy that have a productive life.....comedian Josh Blue for instance....Tim Renkow a UK based comedian with his own show....and RJ Mitte better known as walter white's son....they have cerebral palsy...yes they are but a small sample size to the ocean of people that have them and struggle but you never stated severity...so would you consider any unborn child regardless of severity as long as they have cerebral palsy should be aborted?
Rape
Why do people need to be bothered about this so much that they think every pregnant woman absolutely must give birth? "To experience life" in a country where majority aren't fucking poor and miserable, okay, but in the Philippines? Come on now.. that's absolute bs. You aren't going to be the one who lets that kid experience life, you aren't going to raise the kid and ensure they don't have a shitty experience, so why do you care? It's all about controlling women. It isn't about giving everyone a chance either, because if it were then jacking off and washing off the semen would be a criminal offense. Every drop of semen has potential to make a fetus, but we're not collecting every drop of it and inserting it into women's vaginas.
- one or both is below 18 - result of rape - mentally or physically un able to raise a child ( has some form of disability )
gawin nalang po natin illegal ang sex para hindi na kayo nagaaway sa comment section 🤣🤣
Irresponsible couple = Irresponsible Parent Mother's life will be in danger kapag tinuloy ang pregnancy May possible congenital defects yung baby which may affect his/her activities in daily living after birth (ex. needs assistive devices and 24hr close monitoring) In short, hindi kaya mabuhay nang normal.
This. Why do people tell others to continue with pregnancies just because "you were irresponsible and you deserve it"? Such backwards logic. If they don't know how to use protection or are "all about fun" then there's no way they can handle a child.
maraming dahilan bakit may pangangailangang ilegalize ang abortion. medical to save the mother rape/incest/ sexual abuse victim deformity or medical condition of fetus Financial /ECONOMIC incapacity unplanned unwanted makakaapekto sa employment or mas mawawalan ng kakayahang magtrabaho BTW, may org ata sa pinas na nagaadvocate to decriminalised abortion http://pinsan.ph/
what if choice ng guy ang abortion and gusto ituloy ng girl? May pananagutan ba yung guy magbigay ng pera? vice versa sa question
Why would the man have to pay for something he didn't agree upon? Only the woman wants the baby, only she should have responsibility for it. She asked if the guy wanted to share responsibility, response was no. She should not expect anything in return then, if it's her personal choice to continue the pregnancy. It'd just be as if the girl is leeching off of him if he has to pay.
What? So you think a guy can just escape or avoid his reponsibilities just because he doesn't want to have the baby and the mother refuses to have an abortion? Do you think it's easy to have a parasite-like INSIDE you taken out? There are so many risks. And oh, you think it's "leeching off of him" if she decides to keep the baby??? Hahaha! Did he not plant the seed himself?
if having a baby inside her womb is so difficult, why would the mother want to keep it? Heck, even the guy is advising her to get rid of it to spare both of them from the hardship of having a child. Nobody should be forced into parenthood.
Because she wants to, your point???
But the guy can't leave even if he wants to?
The guy can leave and choose to not be a father to the kid but the responsibility still includes him so if he doesn't want anything to do with the kid, that's his choice also since you can't force someone to be a father. But you have to understand that it is still the guy's responsibility to sustain the child's needs. Why have unprotected sex if you didn't want to be a father? If you didn't want to have a kid? Unless the guy was raped. That's another story.
Why have a child if you don't have a willing father to support you? If the guy leaves, it's better to remarry someone who wants a child, and then you can have a more stable life where you aren't working 3 jobs to support the two of you alone.
The only reason needed is, the woman's body is theirs. They should be allowed to do what they want with their body. The only problem is we have no way of removing the fetus and allow it to live outside the woman's body. So who's "life" is more important. the woman's or the unborn fetus? Most will say fetus, until its born walking the streets with no food. I happen to think that people with responsibilities (or have people who care for them) are way more important than a fetus.
Correct me if I’m wrong pero on the way I see it The real question is A. Are you pro-life? B. Are you pro-living? A explains na sinusuportahan mo yung buhay (kaya nga life eh) na magkakaron yung fetus B explains na sinusuportahan mo kung paano mabubuhay or kung kaya na mabuhay ng fetus pag tanda in this current economy we are having, or maybe even kahit sa current financial status ng parents or maybe ng single parent
If 100% sure that the baby will be deformed or will be born as a "special kid".
In this economy I think it's reasonable
Medical. Kapag pwede mamatay yung mother if tinuloy ang pregnancy.
Abortion is only justified on rape victims. Abortion is murder, that fetus LITERALLY has unlimited potential.
kailangan pala ma-violate muna yung babae bago siya magkaroon ng rights
"unlimited potential" also includes getting cancer, getting raped, getting murdered, or literally any type of tragedy lol use your brain
potential goes both ways (positive or negative). you don't know how that fetus will turn out. also, what about the mother? what if wala syang capacity (physical,mental,emotional,financial,etc.) to deal with pregnancy and childbirth? what about the father? what if wala syang capacity sa child-rearing? what about the extended family? what if wala silang capacity to support in any way? bawal contraception,bawal din "plan B" solutions. tapos reklamo nang reklamo na ang dami tao, ang hirap nang buhay, etc. etc. there are already a lot of suffering children, pati teens, pati adults halos hindi makaahon. dadagdag pa ba?
HAHAHAH! Sarap maging bobo 😭 Downvote ka pa bobo ka haha
ngii. yung nanay din po has unlimited potential. also wag sanang sabihin na abortion is only justified on rape victims. its like saying na magkakachoice lang ang babae if they were defiled, abused and sexually assaulted???
As someone na natry na magpa abort here in the PH, masasabi ko lang na tama ang naging decision ko. Dahil sa gantong klaseng mundo, government at paligid mas ok ng wag ka muna mag dagdag ng bata. Napakahirap maka survive dito sa pilipinas noh. And isipin man ng iba na salbahe at mali ang ginawa ko well atleast ngayon wala akong inaalagan. Nakakatravel, party, at shopping ako hanggat gusto ko.
Hiii paano ka nag abort poo?
Bought meds thru online.
okay kalang? grabe mindset mo
# okay kalang? grabe mindset mo
Oo okay lang ako, masaya naman ang buhay ko ikaw ba? 😂
okay kalang? grabe mindset mo
Isa ka pang bobo! Hahah! Downvote ka pa bobo hahahaha
Well I miscarried pero ayaw lumabas ng fetus so my only option at that point was an abortion.
If merong congenital deformities yung bata na incompatible for life. If partial H mole (merong fetus) If natubuan ng choriocarcinoma sa weeks na hindi pa mabubuhay yung bata if itetreat yung cancer If ectopic pregnancy
agree with this!!!
Freedom, choice, and bodily autonomy. A woman doesn't have to get raped just to have access abortion, hindi dapat kailangang may mangyaring masama sa kanila so they can have a reason to get abortion. Some religious people need to stop imposing their beliefs on everyone, people being financially unstable, emotionally unstable, overall unstable, minors getting pregnant, complications sa pregnancy, everyone should be able to have access for abortion. It's easy to say na ilagay or igive up na lang for adoption but do y'all think all foster children get adopted? Most of them is do'n na nastuck. It's better to get them aborted than lumaki with emotionally unavailable parents, financially unstable parents, immature parents and etc kasi cycle lang yan, unstable children grow into an unstable adult (unless they get the help they needed) and they'll produce kids and then they'll grow up having emotionally unavailable or financially unstable parents. Edit: I grew up in a religious household and I am religious myself but I agree that church must be separated from the state. Also those people na nangsheshame na "you should've closed your legs" it take two to tango, lowkey misogynistic, why can't you shame the sperm carrier? Also yung mga nagsasabi na minors who got pregnant shouldn't have any access sa abortion to "teach them a lesson" isa ka rin sa problem, this is why the poverty rate here in the Philippines kept increasing, gagawin mo pang lesson yung child to shove to the parents' throats na they made a mistake.
THIS 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
As someone who has experience in dealing with foster kids, sobrang nakakaawa sila. Walang permanent na house at palipat lipat kung saan saan. Less than 10% lang sa kanila ang naadopt. Tayo sobrang happy natin kapag birthday natin pero sila nalulingkot kasi it means na less chance of getting adopted dahil older na sila.
I've seen documentaries na some foster kids were neglected, abandoned or bigla na lang magbabago yung foster parent nila once they're adopted and the fact that some of them face abuse from their new home is disheartening to know.
Ang issue kasi sa ilang adoptive parents is that they expect a perfect normal child kaya naddidisappoint sila or binabalik yung bata. There is a reason why these kids are in the foster system and it’s because they didn’t have a safe home(trauma, abuse, abandonment etc?) so most of the time they need ad justment sa new home or even therapy for their traumas.
Choice ng Tao
Freedom and bodily autonomy. The fact that pregnancy in itself is a mortal risk to the mother. Therefore it is the mother who gets to decide that justification - not the state and most freaking definitely not the church.
The decision to not have kids should be made before spreading the legs. I would however favor abortion if it's from rape or if the child has abnormalities.
1. Rape 2. If the mother has a very low chance of surviving and they choose to not continue pregnancy. I, for one, do not support abortion BUT there are circumstances that people should be given a choice, especially rape victims due to the fact how emotionally, mentally and physically tolling it is to carry a child borne of rape. Pero kung gusto mo ng abortion kasi nakikipag sex ka without protection para lang may option ka after, hindi abortion kailangan mo, common sense dapat at contraceptives.