Berlin Wall coming down.
Heck, I didn’t get at the time, but I remember seeing the live footage of people ecstatically tearing it down with hand tools by the I was able to grasp the significance.
That whole period was wild. Berlin Wall coming down, dissolution of the Soviet Union, Nelson Mandela being freed from prison, the end of apartheid.
They were all such BIG DEAL news stories (even to childhood me), in a way that nothing really seems to be anymore. Like some crazy stuff has happened in the world over the last 10-15 years, but they don’t seem to have the same cultural impact.
To be fair, the collapse of the Soviet system and the eastern block is such a monumental moment in history, that it's kind of asking a lot to expect something on the same level within 30 years.
Not really the same, especially because those events are generally bad -- except for same-sex legalization, which hasn't been that much of a dramatic, sudden change.
The late 90s had one miracle happening after the other, even Ireland ceasing fighting with itself.
9/11 is probably the closest. Covid and Ukraine are big events but haven’t really changed the world to the same effect. Life has mostly returned to normal after Covid and Ukraine is a mostly regional event that is reminiscent of the proxy wars we fought with Russia throughout the Cold War. And Gaza is still ongoing so it’s difficult to find its place in history since we simply don’t know it. Much like Ukraine it’s a regional issue but it’s also the latest conflict in a long history of conflicts going back to the 1940s.
I’ll grant you same sex marriage legalization. That was probably the biggest civil rights issue since, well, the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Major event for the US but I still think 9/11 was more impactful.
Come on. Mandela died in prison. ;)
Totally in agreement here. I remember seeing the bread lines in USSR thinking how could people survive. But those images stuck with me. The craziest part in hindsight was registering how much an impact it had on my family members. Now it's just gossip to fill dead air.
We're fed so much information that nothing stands out. We're all numb to the impact of war and societal upheavals. Everything has equal weighting. People didn't change, but our access to information did a 180 from the era of Peter Jennings. The internet is a blessing and a curse, in that our brains aren't built for this kind of input.
My mother tried to explain it to me at the time. All I knew was the man with “red thing on his head” had something to do with it - yes, I know they are called port wine stain. Didn’t know then. So, I thought it was something to do with Pink Floyd (not entirely wrong).
But yes. We watched people hacking at the wall on the news.
She did her best to try and explain that it was going to be one country.
The (86?) Challenger explosion was something even a young me remembers. I was too young to appreciate the tragedy it was, but I do remember one student laughing when the teacher brought in a TV to classroom so we could watch the news, and this teacher just freaking unloaded on him!
My Dad worked in a University and had a science background. I happily told him a joke I had heard the next day at school:
What does NASA stand for?
Need Another Seven Astronauts
I thought he would think it was funny, but again I will always remember how dark his face went, and just how mad he got over that joke.
I don't think Gen A will ever understand just how big, and tragic that event was.
You might be replying to the wrong person. Anyway, all good.
I was too young for that one. Plus, I’m in Australia. So, I have absolutely no idea whether it was talked about (probably) and whether it was shielded from us (also probably).
The jokes back then were quite dreadful. We had a few down here as well which make me cringe in memory.
My class watched Night Crossing the week prior. It's a movie about people trying to escape East Germany by hot air balloon.
Of course in my understanding at the time I didn't quite understand why they weren't willing to just wait another week.
I remember the late cold war and asking my dad, why are the Russians our enemy? Chernobyl, Berlin, the Iron Curtain all of it. In elementary school we had a sports coach come in an talk to us, must have been 4th or 5th grade maybe - told his story about going to Moscow to compete. He asked his minder what the bulbous looking thing was at the street corner one day and the response was "machine gun turret", he even said it in a fake Russian accent.
Another time to look back on
Just show them that the goddamn Wikipedia article for the 1994 NBA Finals has to have a section dedicated to the broadcast being interrupted for his chase with the LAPD because that's how big a deal this entire media circus around him was.
If you haven’t seen the ESPN 30 for 30 “June 17, 1994”, do yourself a favour and go watch it now.
No new footage, all old news clips. It goes through the day, which the following took place:
- Game 5 of the NBA Finals
- Arnold Palmer’s final round at the US Open
- Ken Griffey Jr breaking the record for most home runs before June 30
- The FIFA World Cup opening ceremonies in Chicago
- New York Rangers Stanley Cup Parade
It goes through each event and how they had to cut coverage over to the chase.
> Just show them that the goddamn Wikipedia article
don't know why they'd gpt instead of just reading the wiki?...maybe that another generational insight.
You'll also find all over the internet where people will ask people on social media - or Reddit - a question they could easily Google. It seems there's a lack of internet literacy being taught as it's become so ubiquitous. It might be something that Millennials had to grapple with because we had neither Google nor social media to ask for answers, so when Google and better search engines came about, we took to them as a tool to find information independently.
The midnight release parties at Barnes & Noble followed by circling up and reading out loud to each other are cherished memories from my childhood.
I drank so much Butterbeer lol
That’s a good one! I remember standing in line to get into the movies to see the first one. We went right after school to go sit and wait until the 7 pm showing. It was a small town so only 7 and 915 pm showings. I also remmeber being shocked the first time I went to a big city and there were commercials before the movie.
Gen X here.
My daughter never has to wake up early on Saturday morning to watch cartoons, she can watch them pretty much whenever she wants.
My daughter doesn't have to stuff a quarter into her shoe, so she can call me when she's ready to come home from the bowling alley.
My daughter never had to be the human TV remote, as I did.
My daughter never had to roll up a window on a car.
My daughter has no idea why the "save" icon on Word looks like that.
My daughter has no idea that standardized tests used to be taken on paper.
My daughter will certainly never to drive a standard transmission car.
My daughter will never be out of electronic contact with people, unless it's by choice.
Edit: More.
My daughter will never understand the association between a number 2 pencil and a cassette tape.
Gen X and I feel seen.
Plus: dial up modem noises and not being able to use the phone and the internet at the same time.
The smell of mimeograph ink (or the purple smudges on your hands).
Missing a TV show and having to wait for a rerun.
The constant busy tone because your parents were too cheap for call waiting.
Looking forward to the Sunday paper so you could read the color comics!
Every dad had a specific whistle so that when dad was looking for you, you knew it was you and not your friends. (This may be a southern thing)
Having to call a house phone and then ask to speak to your friend after politely greeting whoever answered.
I'm born and raised on the west coast, but my dad had a specific whistle, too. It's known as the "Hobo Whistle" because they first used it to call for their first cat, Hobo, and when I was a little kid, he just used the same whistle to get my attention if I was far away, so he didn't have to shout.
But, he was born and raised in a more rural area (in another state), so it may still be an unknown thing to most of the other big city dwellers here on the west coast.
Maybe it’s more rural and less southern. Anything a group of us were playing and heard a whistle, some kid would look up and say, “That’s my dad. I gotta go.”
West coast here, too. I lived on top of a hill. My friends lived down at the bottom. We would spend hours playing in the woods down there. My dad's whistle was the loudest in the neighborhood.
>Having to call a house phone and then ask to speak to your friend after politely greeting whoever answered.
Just had a flashback to 10 year old me praying that my friend's mom would answer because his step-dad scared me.
Waiting for the right song to come on the radio so you can hit “record” at the proper time and pray you didn’t record over any of your previous songs on your cassette so you could get a fire mixtape.
Oooo I would hate this. I used to write on the test (if allowed!) to cross off answers and underline important words to help me rule out stuff. I knew you could only mark on the scantron if you were *absolutely* sure of your answer so I wrote all over the tests.
You can do that in the computer test. There's the answer eliminator tool that'll put an X over the multiple choice answers you don't like. There's a highlighter tool with multiple colors for marking up the readings and questions. There's a digital notepad for notes. And you can still have scrap paper for handwritten notes.
That's good! But I generally think better with a pencil and paper than a computer. Even now, I prefer hard copy stuff so I can spread it all out in front of me. I can't think as well flipping between tabs on a computer screen, or just on a screen in general.
I'm gen z, and I've never taken a major standardized test that wasn't on paper. Every single major exam I've taken has been pencil/pen and paper, often with a scantron
I've often wondered if and when the "save" icon and "call" icon are gonna change and what will they even change into.
The Saturday morning cartoon thing brought back so many good memories. I always feel that having everything available all the time takes a little bit of magic away.
I boggled when my kid first told me their homework was due at 11:59 pm. Homework should be due at the beginning of class as you stack your papers on the teacher’s desk. I old.
Gosh this gave me a rush of nostalgia. I’ve always felt grateful to be a gen x’r. Not meaning as a slam of the other gens or anything. I just feel like we got the best of both worlds…analog & digital so to speak.
I graduated HS in 1994, and that summer of 94-the next couple of years up to around 97 were probably some of the best times in my life, and I am not exaggerating or becoming nostalgic. I partied, had fun, and the world just seemed like it was in a good place and only going to get better. Sometimes I think we have regressed, socially.
I’m a 96’r so not far off. I feel like we got to see a bunch of great things like the fall of the Berlin wall, end of cold war, golden era of pro wrestling, renaissance of music (rise of grunge, hair bands, rap, hip hop), etc. Sadly we also got to see a lot of historic bad shit. Almost to the extent that it feels like we got that in bulk too.
And I totally agree, I adored the 90’s. Still my favorite decade.
I am not a music savvy person but I think the music in the 90's is much better than the music nowadays. And I know I sound like an old man, but I just feel that way. I still pound Snoop Dog, NWA, Nirvana, among other bands in my car. I have tried to listen to top 40's to see what people these days are listening to and I just cant get into it.
>My daughter never had to roll up a window on a car.
I’m a Drill Sergeant and we have none tactical vehicles to help move equipment around. We’ll bring a couple trainees in the cab with us to help us set things up ahead of time.
The vehicles they buy are barebones, to include roll up windows. I told a trainee to roll a window down and it took significantly longer than I thought it would to explain how to do that lol
I’m not a big “yeller,” but I have my “voice” that I use I guess. Not a great story, but just… different.
“Trainee roll down the window so I can talk to DS So-n-So.”
“Yes, DS.” (Awkwardly looks at door)
“Trainee ROLL DOWN THE WINDOW.”
“Yes, DS.” (Slight panic sets in)
“Trainee roll the DAMN WINDOW DOWN.”
“How DS… where are the buttons?!?”
“There are none, you have to crank it with the handle.”
“How..?”
“You grab it and crank it down….”
(Tries to roll it up.)
“The other way.”
(Slightly opens it)
“All the way…”
(Slowly begins cranking)
“Faster…”
(Finally finishes)
“Have you never done that before?”
“Done what, DS?”
“Opened a manual window.”
“I didn’t even know that existed, DS.”
“Fucking hell.”
“Yes, DS.”
Having to look up movie times in the newspaper or calling the movie theater.
1-800-collect..."collect call from 'heyimreadytobepickedupfromthemall' "
Aim 'away messages'
How about navigation? I delivered pizza in high school and I used a map printed in the back of a phone book. I would have to pull my car over, turn the light on in my car to look at the map to try and find a house. Every kid is used to having GPS and real time updated maps. I can barely conceive of the time before GPS and google maps. Younger generations must view that as ancient history
Anytime someone mentions how y2k wasnt a big deal I get frustrated and explain the not a big deal was the cumulative effort of thousands of people making sure it wasn't a big deal. Nothing happening was their success
Yes, if we'd done nothing, the consequence could have been pretty dire. Not as in surprise nuclear launches, but as in banks crashing and people not being able to buy things.
I still have a few francs and lira from before the EU from when my pops worked abroad.
They're worthless both from monetary value and collector value since they were so widely made.
I still plan to hang onto them for the novelty of it though.
Think about it this way. There is an entire generation (and will continue to be more) that have no idea about 9/11.
I remember that day. It is when everything changed in America.
You mean like OP’s 20 year old?
I have a 20 year old and 18 year old myself. They know of it purely from history classes and my wife and I talking about it. Mostly the former.
We have some very old people in the pub and at the dog park. It's for me, born 1980, something that is always interesting to hear, how they experienced certain events in history. Things that i just know from the history books.
Like an old grandma we have here, you'd think she's maybe 60 or 70 years old, but the truth is, she's 94. She was born and lived in Vienna, she met Adolf Hitler when he was there in the city for the "Anschluss", the annexation of Austria by the German Reich.
She was a young girl with 8 years, but still remembers it all, Hitler spoke in his calm and soft real voice to her, as he thanked her for flowers that she gave him. He had no kind of a bad aura, nothing you'd expect from the worst man in history. Hitler was actually good with kids and liked to play with them, as you can see in some videos, even the private ones that were not made for public propaganda.
But later, she saw the Battle of Vienna happen in 1945 and the family almost starved to death, they had to eat dead horses to survive, her father got back from the POW camps in 1950, became an abusive alcoholic and committed suicide because of PTSD. He was deployed on the Easter Frontier from 1941-1945.
It's always interesting to talk with her, not just about these topics, she has a lot of stories to tell. There are not many people around that can tell you the personal stories that you don't find in the books
I’m the oldest of 4, and my youngest brother is quite a bit younger than me.
For me and my sister, 9/11 was a life-changing event. For the older of my 2 brothers, it was just a day that Mom and sisters stared at the tv open-mouthed all night. For my youngest brother, it’s no more than a page in a history book.
That just blows my mind (ages 32, 31, 26, and 20, for reference).
They know, but it's like my generation (millennial) trying to comprehend WW2, etc. For one, we've never faced a draft, rationing, or internment camps.
I do have some amazing stories from my grandparents though. My Grandmother met Hitler when he visited their school. My grandfather was center stage at the Battle of the bulge and earned a purple heart. It's a bit surreal
I was travelling overseas when it happened. Even to me as a privileged white teenager, the instant rise in racial was blatant and horrifying, especially in airports. I still remember seeing entire families, even little old ladies holding their grandbabies, being yanked out of line for questioning just because they looked Middle Eastern. It was a really tense time and there was a very real fear that we were about to enter WWIII.
9/11 is something that will forever be in my memory, everything about that day, watching the towers falls, just thinking to myself the world is going to change, and sure as shit, it did.
You @OP, you right this moment, remember before AI was everywhere.
"Yes, yes, we had Siri and Alexa and OK Google for awhile but..."
Right now is still the Before on AI.
Kony 2012 was so weird. I remember arguing with my intelligent friend online about how the guy who did it was sketchy But also that Kony wasn't what they said int he documentary because he was in exile so the exact issues weren't correct but we agreed raising awareness of the horrors of conscripting child soldiers is important. Then he was jacking it in san diego.
Gen Z's been and gone.
These are marketing terms for demographics who companies want to focus on. They're the ones just entering the work market now, so they represent the greatest potential for long-term revenue.
Geez I am 28 and I know who OJ was...
I will say though, it was disturbing to hear someone of my Millenial generation ask "What the heck is Gilligan's Island?!" ... I know it wasn't a major point in history, but seriously?!?!
Nothing was " On demand" , it was on when it was on and you adjusted accordingly. You set your VCR to record it and hoped the clock was set right. Then hope it didn't record over something else that was on the tape. . Lol Or call the DJ on your land line phone for a song and wait to press the record button on the cassette player. Watching MTV to see the latest music.
You used to have to wait for the TV listings to scroll by and if you missed your section, you had to wait for the whole cycle again, plus an ad. My brother and I to be turds to each other would casually get up when it was close to where we knew the others wanted to see, and turn off the TV as we left the room.
We’re still waiting for the first woman president. I’m sure a big part of how Trump got elected is because his opponent was female and too many voters couldn’t accept the idea of a woman as president regardless of who it was.
Going into the first lock down. Society was not expecting it, nor was it built for it. In some parts of the world it effectively went over 2 years. They may have different, more serious lock downs. But they won't have the first.
I saw a clip of some content creator doing a podcast or something with friends and somebody didn’t know who Harambe was, so he told her the story and they just captured her live reactions to hearing this information.
God I laughed so hard when you described digging into your belly button, and even know its kind of gross, sometimes I like to smell my finger afterwards.
But I used to sit in the public library and look at old classified ads on microfiche, and find old news stories from 80's and compare the difference in reporting style.
Also in my public library, before computers there were typewriters, the modern ones with the ball and I used to type AAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCC.... and think I was so very smart.
>had to Google and ask Chat GPT
Do people seriously use chat GPT to ask simple questions? Google has the answers, why waste time asking a bot when you can click a link? I guess this would explain why a lot of the younger generation doesn't know anything about tech, they're dependent on AI for even the most simple things on the internet
I asked my students about this a while back because I was curious (I teach a 100-level college course) and they like asking Chat GPT because it doesn't serve them ads like Google and they like the conversational tone. Google has the answers, but good luck *finding them* through the sponsored content if you don't know how to filter data/customize your browser with sufficient ad-blocking plugins.
The problem with this is that sometimes ChatGPT is just flat out wrong. Now granted I’ve only ever experienced it be wrong when asking relatively advanced questions, but they are absolutely not infallible.
With Google yeah it’s obnoxious and full of ads and bloat and nonsense, but you can see where the info is coming from and make determinations about veracity and validity based on sources and context. When you ask an LLM for an answer to something you’re not easily able to discern where specifically it pulled that data from,m. It’s entirely possible to get an objectively incorrect answer to a question from an LLM, and you wouldn’t know it unless you did research to confirm it, which would eliminate the point of using it in the first place.
Oh yeah I'm not saying the kids are right! It's actually really interesting to me which set of bad answers they're willing to accept. They'll take GPT being wrong over Google serving them ads, which I think is fascinating- especially given how much of their entertainment on TikTok and such is influencer advertising.
It's a UI that uses natural language, which makes it much easier for people who don't know google macros. I like to pace while I think, so for me it's easier to ask an AI a question rather than sitting down and parsing search queries
If you think that's bad, I saw 3 separate instances in which someone was arguing about semantics and linked a tiktok vid for the definition of a word. Only 1 of those 3 was criticised
> Oh and he played football.
He didn't just "play football", he was a record-holding Hall of Fame inductee. He was also a movie star after he retired from the game, and was James Cameron's first choice to play the Terminator before being bumped by Schwarzenegger (ironically he was not considered to be believable enough as a killer)
Was he a piece of human garbage? Sure. But he was an accomplished one.
Schwarzenegger did not want to accept the role of the Terminator first, because he thought that playing a bad guy, the killer machine, could harm his image. Guess he's happy now that he still got through with it.
By the way, about the "good old times", i remember in Europe how we had to import the VHS tapes of such movies like Terminator, as here, in many countries there was a serious censorship of violence. Even more with games, like in Germany in the 90's, humans as enemies had to be replaced with robots, in the Half Life 1 german cut version from 1998, there are no marines, you fight some robots instead.
But the censorship was the opposite of the US-censorship, like you could show nudity in every way, even explicit scenes, while the americans sometimes still go crazy when there's a nipple. Like the Superbowl Scandal was later, but i remember how some moms got crazy that her kids saw a nipple, haha.
A reminder that even though Janet Jackson is blamed for the Superbowl event, it was Justin Timberlake who ripped her shirt. She was a victim of sexual assault on live television and the world hated her for it.
Last year my cousin - 15 - asked me - 35 - what it was like socializing before social media and the internet. I explained and he seemed *so* sad when he realized how much better it was. He was even sadder when I explained that like AIM was pretty much where things should have stopped, and that I got kind of the best of both things.
> My kid is 20 and literally had to Google and ask Chat GPT about "why OJ Simpson dying was a big deal to my parents."
Lol okay this one hurt my feelings
life before 9/11. So much changed it's hard to even begin to explain. All the bullshit with air travel, the casual acceptance of heavy surveillance on damn near all of us by gov and corp interests, perpetual war...like, US involved wars don't even register with the younglings bc they've literally never known us to NOT be in one. My husband teaches middle school, and the kids today just really don't understand when modern history rolls around how different things are now vs not all that long ago.
Also not being perpetually available/literally always being able to find a random piece of information with almost no effort. You used to have to go to the library!
Oklahoma City bombing. There is no possibility for anyone under 30 to understand it. Evil, evil man. He actually thought since he had righteous virtues he would be fine. Anyone who remembers this one thing remembers more. I had a penpal in third grade who was a victim. They kept in touch for a bit. My kids haven't a clue about oj. That would keep them caught up for days.
When Whitney Houston died a younger family memeber (Gen Z) asked how relevant Whitney Houston was to music and why it was such a big deal that she died. I almost keeled over.
I overhead a conversation between what I'm guessing is Gen Alpha about how talented Paris Jackson is how her dad was "some famous singer guy from the 80s". That one hurt a lot.
Im 42...oj anything isn't a big deal. Something happened to an adult who plays with sport balls. That's about the extent of it. I don't understand. There is no global of even usa ramification.
Your kid was born 10 years after this happened and you're wondering why they don't know about it? It's not like OJ is in the news everyday about it. I hardly knew the specifics of it until a couple years ago mostly because I just didn't care. And I'm a big sports guy.
Firstly, your kid would be gen Z. Secondly, if you want to have an intergenerational moment, just tell them Robert Kardashian, father of The Kardashians, was OJ’s lawyer (yes, that’s why we have to “keep up” with them). And I don’t think it’s all Gen Z, I’m only 21, so never saw the OJ trial, but easily understand the significance of such an ordeal. It was like if the Depp-Heard trial and the Affluenza trial had a baby, but even bigger.
Unpopular take: OJ, his rise and fall, was never important. It was packaged media. Designed to sell ads, and now clicks. OJ was the least important note in the storm of the 90’s. What does your kid think about Desert Storm?
20 is not gen alpha
THANK YOU
Had to do a double take on that. Hell, the last couple of years of millennials are still in their 20’s!
My sister is on the cusp and turns 27 this year.
My fiancé just turned 27, while I’m 22. It’s always felt so weird how we’re so close in age yet considered completely different demographics.
I was confused
I didnt even know there was a gen alpha
Gen alpha is like post 2010ish. I think the gen z range is something like 1995 to 2010 or 2015. I'm too lazy to look at r/genz
1996-2012 for genz
They're after the zoomers. A generation is about 20 years old, and the youngest millennials are almost 30.
Berlin Wall coming down. Heck, I didn’t get at the time, but I remember seeing the live footage of people ecstatically tearing it down with hand tools by the I was able to grasp the significance.
That whole period was wild. Berlin Wall coming down, dissolution of the Soviet Union, Nelson Mandela being freed from prison, the end of apartheid. They were all such BIG DEAL news stories (even to childhood me), in a way that nothing really seems to be anymore. Like some crazy stuff has happened in the world over the last 10-15 years, but they don’t seem to have the same cultural impact.
To be fair, the collapse of the Soviet system and the eastern block is such a monumental moment in history, that it's kind of asking a lot to expect something on the same level within 30 years.
Uh, Covid? The war in Ukraine? The war in Gaza? The legalization of same sex marriage in the US?
Not really the same, especially because those events are generally bad -- except for same-sex legalization, which hasn't been that much of a dramatic, sudden change. The late 90s had one miracle happening after the other, even Ireland ceasing fighting with itself.
9/11 is probably the closest. Covid and Ukraine are big events but haven’t really changed the world to the same effect. Life has mostly returned to normal after Covid and Ukraine is a mostly regional event that is reminiscent of the proxy wars we fought with Russia throughout the Cold War. And Gaza is still ongoing so it’s difficult to find its place in history since we simply don’t know it. Much like Ukraine it’s a regional issue but it’s also the latest conflict in a long history of conflicts going back to the 1940s. I’ll grant you same sex marriage legalization. That was probably the biggest civil rights issue since, well, the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Major event for the US but I still think 9/11 was more impactful.
Come on. Mandela died in prison. ;) Totally in agreement here. I remember seeing the bread lines in USSR thinking how could people survive. But those images stuck with me. The craziest part in hindsight was registering how much an impact it had on my family members. Now it's just gossip to fill dead air. We're fed so much information that nothing stands out. We're all numb to the impact of war and societal upheavals. Everything has equal weighting. People didn't change, but our access to information did a 180 from the era of Peter Jennings. The internet is a blessing and a curse, in that our brains aren't built for this kind of input.
Another one I forgot to mention is the overturning of roe v wade. Huge, national implications for many years to come.
My mother tried to explain it to me at the time. All I knew was the man with “red thing on his head” had something to do with it - yes, I know they are called port wine stain. Didn’t know then. So, I thought it was something to do with Pink Floyd (not entirely wrong). But yes. We watched people hacking at the wall on the news. She did her best to try and explain that it was going to be one country.
The (86?) Challenger explosion was something even a young me remembers. I was too young to appreciate the tragedy it was, but I do remember one student laughing when the teacher brought in a TV to classroom so we could watch the news, and this teacher just freaking unloaded on him! My Dad worked in a University and had a science background. I happily told him a joke I had heard the next day at school: What does NASA stand for? Need Another Seven Astronauts I thought he would think it was funny, but again I will always remember how dark his face went, and just how mad he got over that joke. I don't think Gen A will ever understand just how big, and tragic that event was.
You might be replying to the wrong person. Anyway, all good. I was too young for that one. Plus, I’m in Australia. So, I have absolutely no idea whether it was talked about (probably) and whether it was shielded from us (also probably). The jokes back then were quite dreadful. We had a few down here as well which make me cringe in memory.
My class watched Night Crossing the week prior. It's a movie about people trying to escape East Germany by hot air balloon. Of course in my understanding at the time I didn't quite understand why they weren't willing to just wait another week.
I remember the late cold war and asking my dad, why are the Russians our enemy? Chernobyl, Berlin, the Iron Curtain all of it. In elementary school we had a sports coach come in an talk to us, must have been 4th or 5th grade maybe - told his story about going to Moscow to compete. He asked his minder what the bulbous looking thing was at the street corner one day and the response was "machine gun turret", he even said it in a fake Russian accent. Another time to look back on
Just show them that the goddamn Wikipedia article for the 1994 NBA Finals has to have a section dedicated to the broadcast being interrupted for his chase with the LAPD because that's how big a deal this entire media circus around him was.
If you haven’t seen the ESPN 30 for 30 “June 17, 1994”, do yourself a favour and go watch it now. No new footage, all old news clips. It goes through the day, which the following took place: - Game 5 of the NBA Finals - Arnold Palmer’s final round at the US Open - Ken Griffey Jr breaking the record for most home runs before June 30 - The FIFA World Cup opening ceremonies in Chicago - New York Rangers Stanley Cup Parade It goes through each event and how they had to cut coverage over to the chase.
All that happened on a single day??
Right. The most sports history day in history days.
The OJ chase was picture-in-picture with the NBA Finals on broadcast and I think the teams had TVs set up in the locker room
And some wash up had to make everything about him
I watched it thanks to your recommendation, it was quite good! Very informative and well-paced, quite enjoyable :)
> Just show them that the goddamn Wikipedia article don't know why they'd gpt instead of just reading the wiki?...maybe that another generational insight.
You'll also find all over the internet where people will ask people on social media - or Reddit - a question they could easily Google. It seems there's a lack of internet literacy being taught as it's become so ubiquitous. It might be something that Millennials had to grapple with because we had neither Google nor social media to ask for answers, so when Google and better search engines came about, we took to them as a tool to find information independently.
Honestly, I think sometimes (not all the time) the question is just because they want to see or be part of a discussion on the answer as well.
I can’t figure out why they’re asking chat GPT their math homework questions instead of using Wolfram Alpha.
The hype around a Harry Potter book release
The midnight release parties at Barnes & Noble followed by circling up and reading out loud to each other are cherished memories from my childhood. I drank so much Butterbeer lol
I'm a potterhead and I understand the hype lmao.
That’s a good one! I remember standing in line to get into the movies to see the first one. We went right after school to go sit and wait until the 7 pm showing. It was a small town so only 7 and 915 pm showings. I also remmeber being shocked the first time I went to a big city and there were commercials before the movie.
Given JKR’s current self, that’s going to be a hard one to explain.
Gen X here. My daughter never has to wake up early on Saturday morning to watch cartoons, she can watch them pretty much whenever she wants. My daughter doesn't have to stuff a quarter into her shoe, so she can call me when she's ready to come home from the bowling alley. My daughter never had to be the human TV remote, as I did. My daughter never had to roll up a window on a car. My daughter has no idea why the "save" icon on Word looks like that. My daughter has no idea that standardized tests used to be taken on paper. My daughter will certainly never to drive a standard transmission car. My daughter will never be out of electronic contact with people, unless it's by choice. Edit: More. My daughter will never understand the association between a number 2 pencil and a cassette tape.
Gen X and I feel seen. Plus: dial up modem noises and not being able to use the phone and the internet at the same time. The smell of mimeograph ink (or the purple smudges on your hands). Missing a TV show and having to wait for a rerun. The constant busy tone because your parents were too cheap for call waiting. Looking forward to the Sunday paper so you could read the color comics! Every dad had a specific whistle so that when dad was looking for you, you knew it was you and not your friends. (This may be a southern thing) Having to call a house phone and then ask to speak to your friend after politely greeting whoever answered.
Using transparencies to give a presentation instead of Powerpoint.
Using silly putty on a newspaper to get the words transferred to the silly putty
When I was in elementary school, watching the teacher rewind the film, and seeing everything in reverse was pretty much the highlight of the day.
Feeling special because you were chosen by your teacher to advance the filmstrip when the tone sounded on the cassette tape.
Mix tapes, constantly listening to the radio to catch your songs to record.
And calling the DJ to request a song
Staying up late and listening to Love Phones with Dr. Judy and Chris Jagger. I never did find out what a "3-eyed turtle" was...
I'm born and raised on the west coast, but my dad had a specific whistle, too. It's known as the "Hobo Whistle" because they first used it to call for their first cat, Hobo, and when I was a little kid, he just used the same whistle to get my attention if I was far away, so he didn't have to shout. But, he was born and raised in a more rural area (in another state), so it may still be an unknown thing to most of the other big city dwellers here on the west coast.
Maybe it’s more rural and less southern. Anything a group of us were playing and heard a whistle, some kid would look up and say, “That’s my dad. I gotta go.”
My grandparents had a bell mounted to their house. I think my aunt still has it.
West coast here, too. I lived on top of a hill. My friends lived down at the bottom. We would spend hours playing in the woods down there. My dad's whistle was the loudest in the neighborhood.
>Having to call a house phone and then ask to speak to your friend after politely greeting whoever answered. Just had a flashback to 10 year old me praying that my friend's mom would answer because his step-dad scared me.
Millennial but everything but the mimeograph ink is familiar Edit: and the whistle
My dad used a duck call, and I grew up in California.
Waiting for the right song to come on the radio so you can hit “record” at the proper time and pray you didn’t record over any of your previous songs on your cassette so you could get a fire mixtape.
Oh, I it hated when the dj talked over the end or the beginning! 🤬
Wonder what memories they’re gonna remember that would be the equivalent to these things
"My kids will never use their eyes to watch shows, like peasants - it'll be beamed directly into the brain as God intended"
"You have to use your hands?" "That's like a baby's toy!"
"Computer? Hello computer?! A keyboard? How quaint!"
wait you don’t need a fully sharpened 2b to take the SAT??
>My daughter has no idea that standardized tests used to be taken on paper. wait what are they using now instead of paper/scantron?
Computers.
Oooo I would hate this. I used to write on the test (if allowed!) to cross off answers and underline important words to help me rule out stuff. I knew you could only mark on the scantron if you were *absolutely* sure of your answer so I wrote all over the tests.
You can do that in the computer test. There's the answer eliminator tool that'll put an X over the multiple choice answers you don't like. There's a highlighter tool with multiple colors for marking up the readings and questions. There's a digital notepad for notes. And you can still have scrap paper for handwritten notes.
That's good! But I generally think better with a pencil and paper than a computer. Even now, I prefer hard copy stuff so I can spread it all out in front of me. I can't think as well flipping between tabs on a computer screen, or just on a screen in general.
Same here. I wrote all over those things to help me take it.
Completely filling the ovals was both satisfying and anxiety-inducing. I was one to trace the edge of the circle and then fill in.
I'm gen z, and I've never taken a major standardized test that wasn't on paper. Every single major exam I've taken has been pencil/pen and paper, often with a scantron
I've often wondered if and when the "save" icon and "call" icon are gonna change and what will they even change into. The Saturday morning cartoon thing brought back so many good memories. I always feel that having everything available all the time takes a little bit of magic away.
I boggled when my kid first told me their homework was due at 11:59 pm. Homework should be due at the beginning of class as you stack your papers on the teacher’s desk. I old.
As someone who got by on Bs and Cs in high school, I was finishing assignments during the passing period between classes.
Gosh this gave me a rush of nostalgia. I’ve always felt grateful to be a gen x’r. Not meaning as a slam of the other gens or anything. I just feel like we got the best of both worlds…analog & digital so to speak.
I graduated HS in 1994, and that summer of 94-the next couple of years up to around 97 were probably some of the best times in my life, and I am not exaggerating or becoming nostalgic. I partied, had fun, and the world just seemed like it was in a good place and only going to get better. Sometimes I think we have regressed, socially.
I’m a 96’r so not far off. I feel like we got to see a bunch of great things like the fall of the Berlin wall, end of cold war, golden era of pro wrestling, renaissance of music (rise of grunge, hair bands, rap, hip hop), etc. Sadly we also got to see a lot of historic bad shit. Almost to the extent that it feels like we got that in bulk too. And I totally agree, I adored the 90’s. Still my favorite decade.
I am not a music savvy person but I think the music in the 90's is much better than the music nowadays. And I know I sound like an old man, but I just feel that way. I still pound Snoop Dog, NWA, Nirvana, among other bands in my car. I have tried to listen to top 40's to see what people these days are listening to and I just cant get into it.
>My daughter never had to roll up a window on a car. I’m a Drill Sergeant and we have none tactical vehicles to help move equipment around. We’ll bring a couple trainees in the cab with us to help us set things up ahead of time. The vehicles they buy are barebones, to include roll up windows. I told a trainee to roll a window down and it took significantly longer than I thought it would to explain how to do that lol
> I’m a Drill Sergeant Oh man, what did you yell at him? Had to be something good.
I’m not a big “yeller,” but I have my “voice” that I use I guess. Not a great story, but just… different. “Trainee roll down the window so I can talk to DS So-n-So.” “Yes, DS.” (Awkwardly looks at door) “Trainee ROLL DOWN THE WINDOW.” “Yes, DS.” (Slight panic sets in) “Trainee roll the DAMN WINDOW DOWN.” “How DS… where are the buttons?!?” “There are none, you have to crank it with the handle.” “How..?” “You grab it and crank it down….” (Tries to roll it up.) “The other way.” (Slightly opens it) “All the way…” (Slowly begins cranking) “Faster…” (Finally finishes) “Have you never done that before?” “Done what, DS?” “Opened a manual window.” “I didn’t even know that existed, DS.” “Fucking hell.” “Yes, DS.”
Having to look up movie times in the newspaper or calling the movie theater. 1-800-collect..."collect call from 'heyimreadytobepickedupfromthemall' " Aim 'away messages'
And calling cards, remember those?
"Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you selected?"
I’m teaching my kids to drive standard because it’s common in a lot of countries.
I taught my kids to drive standard because it always tripped up the people escaping from the 1970s and 80s slasher flicks.
I’m a millennial and I identify with all of these 😂
Same!
I still, to this day, take state standardized tests on paper. At minimum a scan-Tron with a paper packet of question.
This guy gets it
What can this strange device be? When I touch it, it gives forth a sound.
>My daughter never had to be the human TV remote, as I did. Before smart ceiling fans are commonplace, let her experience being a fan remote.
Ask your daughter how she answers a phone. The difference is always funny to see.
How about navigation? I delivered pizza in high school and I used a map printed in the back of a phone book. I would have to pull my car over, turn the light on in my car to look at the map to try and find a house. Every kid is used to having GPS and real time updated maps. I can barely conceive of the time before GPS and google maps. Younger generations must view that as ancient history
Y2k, Michael Jackson, 9/11, drugs before fentanyl, when weed was illegal
Anytime someone mentions how y2k wasnt a big deal I get frustrated and explain the not a big deal was the cumulative effort of thousands of people making sure it wasn't a big deal. Nothing happening was their success
Globally it was hundreds of thousands of IT and business professionals who worked long hours to ensure major systems stayed up for Y2K.
Yes, if we'd done nothing, the consequence could have been pretty dire. Not as in surprise nuclear launches, but as in banks crashing and people not being able to buy things.
Man yeah I had to find someone who knows someone and now I pass like three weed stores on my way home from work.
I still can’t believe weed is illegal in most states.
Europe before the euro, life without the internet being a big thing, the excitement of linear tv
I still have a few francs and lira from before the EU from when my pops worked abroad. They're worthless both from monetary value and collector value since they were so widely made. I still plan to hang onto them for the novelty of it though.
Think about it this way. There is an entire generation (and will continue to be more) that have no idea about 9/11. I remember that day. It is when everything changed in America.
Definitely 9/11. I remember pre-9/11 you could go all the way to the gate to meet or drop off friends and family without a plane ticket.
You mean like OP’s 20 year old? I have a 20 year old and 18 year old myself. They know of it purely from history classes and my wife and I talking about it. Mostly the former.
My youngest coworker is 18. The oldest guy in the shop is 72. He fought in Vietnam. They’re both mystified by the things the other person says
We have some very old people in the pub and at the dog park. It's for me, born 1980, something that is always interesting to hear, how they experienced certain events in history. Things that i just know from the history books. Like an old grandma we have here, you'd think she's maybe 60 or 70 years old, but the truth is, she's 94. She was born and lived in Vienna, she met Adolf Hitler when he was there in the city for the "Anschluss", the annexation of Austria by the German Reich. She was a young girl with 8 years, but still remembers it all, Hitler spoke in his calm and soft real voice to her, as he thanked her for flowers that she gave him. He had no kind of a bad aura, nothing you'd expect from the worst man in history. Hitler was actually good with kids and liked to play with them, as you can see in some videos, even the private ones that were not made for public propaganda. But later, she saw the Battle of Vienna happen in 1945 and the family almost starved to death, they had to eat dead horses to survive, her father got back from the POW camps in 1950, became an abusive alcoholic and committed suicide because of PTSD. He was deployed on the Easter Frontier from 1941-1945. It's always interesting to talk with her, not just about these topics, she has a lot of stories to tell. There are not many people around that can tell you the personal stories that you don't find in the books
I was alive for it but I was so young I don't think the severity of it hit me until years later.
I have friends who are in their early 30s and some have said the same.
I’m the oldest of 4, and my youngest brother is quite a bit younger than me. For me and my sister, 9/11 was a life-changing event. For the older of my 2 brothers, it was just a day that Mom and sisters stared at the tv open-mouthed all night. For my youngest brother, it’s no more than a page in a history book. That just blows my mind (ages 32, 31, 26, and 20, for reference).
They know, but it's like my generation (millennial) trying to comprehend WW2, etc. For one, we've never faced a draft, rationing, or internment camps. I do have some amazing stories from my grandparents though. My Grandmother met Hitler when he visited their school. My grandfather was center stage at the Battle of the bulge and earned a purple heart. It's a bit surreal
9/11 was our generation's Pearl Harbor. Gen Alpha will have no connection to 9/11 the same way I never had a connection to Pearl Harbor.
Did you know the 9/11 attacks happened closer to the first airing of a music video on MTV than to the current day?
I was travelling overseas when it happened. Even to me as a privileged white teenager, the instant rise in racial was blatant and horrifying, especially in airports. I still remember seeing entire families, even little old ladies holding their grandbabies, being yanked out of line for questioning just because they looked Middle Eastern. It was a really tense time and there was a very real fear that we were about to enter WWIII.
They even missed on the 90s. What a waste.
9/11 is something that will forever be in my memory, everything about that day, watching the towers falls, just thinking to myself the world is going to change, and sure as shit, it did.
You @OP, you right this moment, remember before AI was everywhere. "Yes, yes, we had Siri and Alexa and OK Google for awhile but..." Right now is still the Before on AI.
Who shot JR?
who shot Mr. Burns?
Kony 2012 Though I’m not sure the rest of us understand it either
Kony 2012 was so weird. I remember arguing with my intelligent friend online about how the guy who did it was sketchy But also that Kony wasn't what they said int he documentary because he was in exile so the exact issues weren't correct but we agreed raising awareness of the horrors of conscripting child soldiers is important. Then he was jacking it in san diego.
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A 20yr old is still gen z but I’m teaching gen alpha (5th grade)
lol, good I am not the only one who thought that.
Gen Z's been and gone. These are marketing terms for demographics who companies want to focus on. They're the ones just entering the work market now, so they represent the greatest potential for long-term revenue.
Gen Z is around 90s to 2010s, Gen Alpha is 2010s to 2020s. So right now, young teens and kids
30 year olds are zoomers? Nah mate
Late 90s. Basic cut off is if they can reasonably remember 9-11 as it happened.
The oldest zoomers are 28
My 13-year old kid had to google a Michael Jackson song after I asked him to name one.
20 year olds are not even close to gen alpha
Geez I am 28 and I know who OJ was... I will say though, it was disturbing to hear someone of my Millenial generation ask "What the heck is Gilligan's Island?!" ... I know it wasn't a major point in history, but seriously?!?!
I’m friends with people in their early 30s who had no idea who Julia Robert’s is
Whaaaat?!?!
If you’re 28 you’re just barely millennial. Many consider the cutoff to be those born in 1996.
Those poor, poor people.
Nothing was " On demand" , it was on when it was on and you adjusted accordingly. You set your VCR to record it and hoped the clock was set right. Then hope it didn't record over something else that was on the tape. . Lol Or call the DJ on your land line phone for a song and wait to press the record button on the cassette player. Watching MTV to see the latest music.
You used to have to wait for the TV listings to scroll by and if you missed your section, you had to wait for the whole cycle again, plus an ad. My brother and I to be turds to each other would casually get up when it was close to where we knew the others wanted to see, and turn off the TV as we left the room.
Y2K. How do I explain something so silly sounding to my young coworkers?
Obama getting elected president. Young people think of the first black president as trivia. They don't understand what it used to be like in America.
Used to be like....
We’re still waiting for the first woman president. I’m sure a big part of how Trump got elected is because his opponent was female and too many voters couldn’t accept the idea of a woman as president regardless of who it was.
Going into the first lock down. Society was not expecting it, nor was it built for it. In some parts of the world it effectively went over 2 years. They may have different, more serious lock downs. But they won't have the first.
Harambe
"Why did Harambe have to die, Dad?" "He didn't have to, son. *Tears up* He didn't..."
"But that's where you and all your brother's names came from, son. He lives on through you"
“Ew, dad, put your weiner away, you just put me on time out for having my weiner out last week!”
I saw a clip of some content creator doing a podcast or something with friends and somebody didn’t know who Harambe was, so he told her the story and they just captured her live reactions to hearing this information.
The eagerness and excitement of running home to the mailbox and see if the friend you wrote a letter to a week ago has written back.
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God I laughed so hard when you described digging into your belly button, and even know its kind of gross, sometimes I like to smell my finger afterwards. But I used to sit in the public library and look at old classified ads on microfiche, and find old news stories from 80's and compare the difference in reporting style. Also in my public library, before computers there were typewriters, the modern ones with the ball and I used to type AAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCC.... and think I was so very smart.
>had to Google and ask Chat GPT Do people seriously use chat GPT to ask simple questions? Google has the answers, why waste time asking a bot when you can click a link? I guess this would explain why a lot of the younger generation doesn't know anything about tech, they're dependent on AI for even the most simple things on the internet
I asked my students about this a while back because I was curious (I teach a 100-level college course) and they like asking Chat GPT because it doesn't serve them ads like Google and they like the conversational tone. Google has the answers, but good luck *finding them* through the sponsored content if you don't know how to filter data/customize your browser with sufficient ad-blocking plugins.
Doesn’t serve ads yet.
The problem with this is that sometimes ChatGPT is just flat out wrong. Now granted I’ve only ever experienced it be wrong when asking relatively advanced questions, but they are absolutely not infallible. With Google yeah it’s obnoxious and full of ads and bloat and nonsense, but you can see where the info is coming from and make determinations about veracity and validity based on sources and context. When you ask an LLM for an answer to something you’re not easily able to discern where specifically it pulled that data from,m. It’s entirely possible to get an objectively incorrect answer to a question from an LLM, and you wouldn’t know it unless you did research to confirm it, which would eliminate the point of using it in the first place.
Oh yeah I'm not saying the kids are right! It's actually really interesting to me which set of bad answers they're willing to accept. They'll take GPT being wrong over Google serving them ads, which I think is fascinating- especially given how much of their entertainment on TikTok and such is influencer advertising.
It's a UI that uses natural language, which makes it much easier for people who don't know google macros. I like to pace while I think, so for me it's easier to ask an AI a question rather than sitting down and parsing search queries
If you think that's bad, I saw 3 separate instances in which someone was arguing about semantics and linked a tiktok vid for the definition of a word. Only 1 of those 3 was criticised
I am 50 and I still don't know why it is a big deal. A murder died who got away with murder. Oh and he played football.
> Oh and he played football. He didn't just "play football", he was a record-holding Hall of Fame inductee. He was also a movie star after he retired from the game, and was James Cameron's first choice to play the Terminator before being bumped by Schwarzenegger (ironically he was not considered to be believable enough as a killer) Was he a piece of human garbage? Sure. But he was an accomplished one.
Also he got away with the murder and then basically spent the rest of his life making fun of how he got away with murder.
Schwarzenegger did not want to accept the role of the Terminator first, because he thought that playing a bad guy, the killer machine, could harm his image. Guess he's happy now that he still got through with it. By the way, about the "good old times", i remember in Europe how we had to import the VHS tapes of such movies like Terminator, as here, in many countries there was a serious censorship of violence. Even more with games, like in Germany in the 90's, humans as enemies had to be replaced with robots, in the Half Life 1 german cut version from 1998, there are no marines, you fight some robots instead. But the censorship was the opposite of the US-censorship, like you could show nudity in every way, even explicit scenes, while the americans sometimes still go crazy when there's a nipple. Like the Superbowl Scandal was later, but i remember how some moms got crazy that her kids saw a nipple, haha.
A reminder that even though Janet Jackson is blamed for the Superbowl event, it was Justin Timberlake who ripped her shirt. She was a victim of sexual assault on live television and the world hated her for it.
Last year my cousin - 15 - asked me - 35 - what it was like socializing before social media and the internet. I explained and he seemed *so* sad when he realized how much better it was. He was even sadder when I explained that like AIM was pretty much where things should have stopped, and that I got kind of the best of both things.
Fuck yeah AIM was the best. Then the old Yahoo Messenger after AIM died. After that, everything sucks balls.
The Vietnam war.
> My kid is 20 and literally had to Google and ask Chat GPT about "why OJ Simpson dying was a big deal to my parents." Lol okay this one hurt my feelings
life before 9/11. So much changed it's hard to even begin to explain. All the bullshit with air travel, the casual acceptance of heavy surveillance on damn near all of us by gov and corp interests, perpetual war...like, US involved wars don't even register with the younglings bc they've literally never known us to NOT be in one. My husband teaches middle school, and the kids today just really don't understand when modern history rolls around how different things are now vs not all that long ago. Also not being perpetually available/literally always being able to find a random piece of information with almost no effort. You used to have to go to the library!
Oklahoma City bombing. There is no possibility for anyone under 30 to understand it. Evil, evil man. He actually thought since he had righteous virtues he would be fine. Anyone who remembers this one thing remembers more. I had a penpal in third grade who was a victim. They kept in touch for a bit. My kids haven't a clue about oj. That would keep them caught up for days.
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They'll never understand living through the sheer shock of 9/11 and the way it changed history.
When Whitney Houston died a younger family memeber (Gen Z) asked how relevant Whitney Houston was to music and why it was such a big deal that she died. I almost keeled over. I overhead a conversation between what I'm guessing is Gen Alpha about how talented Paris Jackson is how her dad was "some famous singer guy from the 80s". That one hurt a lot.
Meh. OJ was never important. He got away with double murder and finally died.
Heavens Gate and Y2K
The impact of cell phones, internet, and smart devices
Schedules working around TV shows
So they typed all of that but couldn’t just type two letters and read an article? To answer your question, computer literacy.
Im 42...oj anything isn't a big deal. Something happened to an adult who plays with sport balls. That's about the extent of it. I don't understand. There is no global of even usa ramification.
Your kid was born 10 years after this happened and you're wondering why they don't know about it? It's not like OJ is in the news everyday about it. I hardly knew the specifics of it until a couple years ago mostly because I just didn't care. And I'm a big sports guy.
Firstly, your kid would be gen Z. Secondly, if you want to have an intergenerational moment, just tell them Robert Kardashian, father of The Kardashians, was OJ’s lawyer (yes, that’s why we have to “keep up” with them). And I don’t think it’s all Gen Z, I’m only 21, so never saw the OJ trial, but easily understand the significance of such an ordeal. It was like if the Depp-Heard trial and the Affluenza trial had a baby, but even bigger.
Probably most things that they weren’t alive for.
Tamagotchis, or the Miracle on Ice.
The Challenger accident.
Reading the ingredients on a shampoo bottle
I had to explain to my 13 yr old niece what a pound symbol was. And what it used to mean.
Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan I feel like the last 20 years, no one has cared about the Olympics and it’s just not what it used to be.
OJ is not and never will be an important person. The spectacle around his trial was bizarre and grotesque.
If you let them use Chat GPT they’re not going to learn any guaranteed facts.
Unpopular take: OJ, his rise and fall, was never important. It was packaged media. Designed to sell ads, and now clicks. OJ was the least important note in the storm of the 90’s. What does your kid think about Desert Storm?
Just making a wild guess here, but think her family is at the very least mildly perturbed about him murdering her.
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I'm 35 and *I* didn't know what it was all about and had to ask people.
You can’t go off grid and disappear. People have tried it. They always get found. Seem to never get found if they get lost unintentionally.
Cheap seafood