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EquivalentSilver8074

I am not sure but I think without his lc u will miss one debuff so u will have 80 procent with dr ratio if u have topaz e1 s1 of course


CptBrexitt

I've yet to pull for topaz, but doesn't she get an extra debuff application from her LC? So if I age topaz and her LC I apply 2 debuffs, right?


EquivalentSilver8074

Yeah topaz applies one debuff just in her kit, then 1 with lc and then onz with her e1 Robin doesn't give any debuff And then aventurine his ult and his lc So that's in total 5 then


CptBrexitt

Riiiight. So Topaz and her LC will be pretty important (not sure Im lucky enough to pull her twice for her E1). I'll give it a think then, thanks!


Balerya

You need either Aventurine or Topaz’s LC to reliably get 3 debuffs with Robin


CptBrexitt

Okay, I might bet on Topaz's LC then, thanks!


pandorahurts27

It depends. You need to have atleast 3 reliable debuff sources. 1st scenario: If your Topaz is only E0S0 then you only have 1 reliable debuff + 1 debuff from Ratio's skill (which will sometimes not apply if you don't have a bit of EHR on him so not counting that) ---> With Aven's LC on a Robin team, he would give 2 debuffs in total but 1 of those is from his ult which you would need to have a lot of speed for him to get it faster (atleast 135 maybe). So this will work atleast but not super comfy. 2nd scenario: If your Topaz is E0S1, then you have 2 debuffs from her, 1 unreliable debuff from Ratio (not counted) ---> With Aven's LC, you would have a total of 4 reliable debuffs which is already comfy enough for me. 3rd scenario: If your Topaz is E1S1, then you have 3 debuffs from her. ---> With this, you will not need Aven's LC at all.


dooditstyler

Just gonna ask here, but does Aventurine's E2 count as a debuff?


CptBrexitt

Yes