They gonna go with divinity 3 and tbh before bg3 it was the best turned based RPG out there, larian shitting nothing but gold, they will be just fine. I just would love to get a dlc for bg3 though.
They already said they have 2 more projects planned. They specifically said their next game will not be DOS3. They’re going to make an original IP. Then they said they have a big project planned *after* their next game that will, in Swen’s own words, “dwarf BG3.” Hopefully DOS3 but we don’t know
I think the quote is actually “it will dwarf BG3” which means “significantly larger than BG3” (making BG3 seem small like a “dwarf” for lack of a better explanation) not “it’ll be a dwarf version of BG3.”
I mean it may be lol, I was more addressing the “smaller BG3” part since it actually meant the opposite. If they were making it dwarf themed too that would be a genius way to hint at it
My personal dream: they make a sandbox RPG maker, like Mario Maker, for players to create and share their own scenarios and campaigns. I wouldn't even be mad if they reused BG and Divinity assets. They'd sell ten million copies and people would play it for twenty years.
Yes, this. They don't even need to make a game around it. With games like Garry's mod, or Roblox, it shows that gamers will happily make their own fun if the tools are simple enough. And I will pay for that even if I only ever play other people's games. Like in the use map settings of the old days.
They said they're opening official mod support, so I think there's a suitable niche for some really cool modded extra missions and side quests and stuff.
I'm just....
As like a bit..
I'm just imagining all the original bg3 characters somehow sneaking their way into one of their next games but they're all ~Legally Distinct~ to the tune of wearing wigs, glasses, funny hats, and fake mustaches. Not important in any way, mind you. Just to give the impression that they all went into the witness protection program somehow.
I want more of the stuff I know I like. I like this flavor of ice cream. I know the studio makes good ice cream but I want a second order of the flavor I like and there is no certainty I will like the new flavor as much as I would like a second scoop of bg3.
I really want a sci fi space adventure game from lariat in the bg3 style. Preferably with a customizable space ship home. Like rpg xcom with starfield ships.
Or a larian take on a fallout like game.
>I am eager to see what Larian has planned for the future
Me too! I think BG3s success will fund the success of their future IPs and we will be excited about that game too.
Out of the loop:
What does Hasbro to do with Larian not continue BG3?
I know Hasbro has some rights (or THE rights?) over DnD in General, but what happened that Larian won't/can't continue?
It is unclear what Hasbro has done exactly, however they did fire most if not all of the people who worked with Larian on BG3. They have the rights to dnd, as they own wizards of the coast who are the people who handle the license. And even if what happened with Larian isn't smth to tell Hasbro to go fuck itself over, what Hasbro does with dnd in general is (at least for me).
In case you don't know, Hasbro believes DND is under monetized, and as such they made/attempted to make changes to dnd that were very anti-consumer. Add to that that One DND, the supposed DND 6ed, is either insufficient or straight up bad so far.
So far we only really have conjecture and theories, but here's what we know:
1) Hasbro, who own Wizards of the Coast, who publish all official D&D material, let go about 20% of their people (1100ish people total) last december, right before Christmas, despite posting record profits. A lot of those were people working on D&D, specificly the art and design teams. Larian said that from their original team to discuss BG3 with, almost nobody is left.
2) Swen Vincke, owner of Larian, has had multiple posts on Twitter or interviews in the last couple of months where he derided publishers and corporations for their greed, and admonished them for their short term thinking in laying off good people just to have nice quarterly results. He also said the team had started work on DLC for BG3, but over the christmas break decided to stop work on the project.
There's no confirmation, but considering the timing and tone of the messages, combined with what happened at Hasbro, it seems reasonable to assume Larian has decided to cut ties with Hasbro over what happened. This could be a principal thing (sending a message they don't want to work with a company that does that to their employees. It could be a personal thing, where they decided that since the original BG3 team at Wizards no longer existed, they didn't feel like continueing. Or it's a business thing, where Hasbro (seeing the hundreds of millions BG3 has made, of which they 'only' got about 100 mil), decided that any DLC or future projects require a bigger fee going to Hasbro, and/or they wanted more input and control over the final product. Enough meddling to make Larian go "Nah, we don't need you".
Either way, Larian has the money, the influence, the people and the infrastructure to make and publish their own games. They will be fine without Hasbro looking over their shoulder. But many people (myself included) are sad that this it for BG3 and its characters.
He did say they are still working on cross platform mods. They are likely also still working on cross play because that was announced after they stopped working on the DLC.
For multiple reasons, some tied to Hasbro being Hasbro, some being tied to the fact that after so much time spent working as hard as they did on BG3, the team at Larian is willing to get into a new project. But no, no dlc for bg3. There may be however some mods that may reach a level high enough to be dlc size.
So would I, but it's not even a question of money. They just want to work on smth else for a change. But in addition to that, Hasbro being an ass company means Larian won't work on an eventual Bg4.
They are 100% going to make a shit ton more games, they're just going to want them ASAP. Wotc is going to license out their IP to anyone with a pulse who will promise to deliver on time and under budget.
That's likely why larian backed out - no more "it's done when it's done".
Still better than the route EA went with _fucking star wars_ license, cancelling more games than releasing, and making like 1.5 good ones and rest rubbish.
I think that what they meant is that they will simply produce Magic the Gathering branded as a Hasbro product directly, just like all the Milton Bradley and Parker Brothers board games that are now published with the Hasbro mark on them.
You mean the Magic cards they overprinted to the point they were being told to stop, and that had entire pallets worth of cards sent off to landfills to get them out of the market?
Magic is well into it's reclining phase. It's why they they're taking every dumb ass licensing deals and cross over promotions with the game they can get now. Back at it's peak they were so protective of their golden goose they wouldn't even risk doing D&D cross overs with Magic, much less outside IPs, now they'll make a card set for every damn product that offers to try to squeeze the last bits of cash they can get out of Magic before it finally crashes for good.
The new version of D&D is only getting the three core book actually published, after that they're basically downsizing the whole department and switching over to digital products.
I think this is a likely scenario. I think they were excited to play with the “big boys” but then realized how little freedom they actually had.
I think a lot of the choices I wasn’t too fond of in BG3 were because of very specific stipulations. And I can’t really say what choices. It’ll just come off as presumptuous and weird. But I still can’t shake the feeling.
I also bet they had a lot more freedom from Hasbro&WotC because they thought the game wouldn’t sell well but when the money started rolling in they probably changed their tune to “how can we milk this”
well you got the head of hasbro who can't shut up about how much they want to milk it plus all the people in Wotc who worked with Larian were in the last round of layoffs, so... yeah so probably since I bet hasbro put a finance bro on the new relations team Im certain they saw the big leagues was nothing but a hollow husk and noped the fuck out
It sucks, but at the same time i applaud Larian for taking a stand against it.
Also my understanding is that Larian actually didnt even want to make more content and sequel.
Though with the 5e rules set up in this format they might have been happy to do a Neverwinter Nights game (if sticking to franchises), or any other game set on Feyrun (sic!).
It really depends on what you do with said franchises. DnD in particular is an extremely flexible setting able to accommodate multiple effectively unrelated stories which are only connected by a brand and the kind of characters within the world. There's totally scope for a BG4 to have nothing to do with any of the previous games, aside from being in and around Baldur's Gate.
What's problematic about sequels and franchises is that they end up finding one thing that works, then try to do that over and over again to diminishing returns.
I'd love to revisit Athkathla.
See about what's happened there. Especially if the place was destroyed like was hinted at in Throne of Bhaal by that invading army led by a Bhaalspawn.
>There's totally scope for a BG4 to have nothing to do with any of the previous games, aside from being in and around Baldur's Gate.
I mean, the Baldur's Gate name is just the title for the series. BG2, arguably the better of the original games, takes place entirely within the countries of Amn and Tethyr to the south of Baldur's Gate.
I think that BG4 would be a conceptual nightmare, if I'm being honest, and personally was never really hoping for it to be a thing, I'd much rather get disconnected stories, or give the other series the BG3 makeover. Maybe a Neverwinter Nights 3? Icewind Dale 2\*? There's more interesting places in Faerun other than just Baldur's Gate to go to. Even just going with the Pathfinder: Kingmaker route and turning the published modules into videogames could be interesting, but 5e content like how BG3/4 is/would be built would be absolutely horrendous to scale and balance. They'd need a fully new system to make it palatable to even play around with. BG2 allowed you to level up to 40, and each level gave less for class features and whatnot, but 5e just isn't built like that, so it'd have to be much closer to "inspired by 5e" instead of pure(ish) 5e like we got in 3.
(\* I know there is an Icewind Dale 2 that was made, but its source code is lost, and it's been 20 years, so we're at the point where it's practically lost to time for most people.)
Or do the opposite, they know one thing that works but never do it again despite the fans practically begged and go do whatever highly monetised multiplayer online casino and keep failing at it
Yeah there's a bunch of companies who seem desperate to lean into the "live service" model which nobody really seems to want except the companies trying to milk it for big bux.
I can get behind it for Disco Elysium. The ending for that one felt perfect. More stories in that setting could be fun but I also feel totally satisfied with it being a one-and-done.
ToB is like a 40 hours of extra content all on its own and is the direct continuation and final ending of the BG saga. It was originally meant to be BG3 but was cut down to expansion pack length and budget.
It is like the same length as KoTOR2 iirc off the top of my head for perspective.
disco elysium i definitely did, as they set us up to see jamrock and there was a hefty dose of existential dread set up with the more supernatural? for lack of a better word stuff
I don't understand where this is coming from though. Despite being a franchise and having references to the past games, there is no need to play the previous games to fully experience it. So i don't get how being part of a franchise is even relevant besides the quality standards, which i presume are a good thing. No offense, i'm just curious.
People love Final Fantasy games because it's a stamp of quality in the JRPG genre. Sure, Larian will probably keep making amazing games, Baldur's Gate or not, but D&D fans would love to have more Larian quality D&D CRPGs.
people asking for a bg4 are not really asking for a sequel to bg3 that is to bg3 what bg3 is to bg2. they are asking for a continuation of bg3 with the same characters. this ks understandable, we love them and want more of them, but ultimately it would be bad storywise
I'm quite sure that tons of people are asking for different things and they diverge more often than they converge, but i understand your point.
I love that Jaheira and Misc are part of BG3, but i hate that they are companions. I think it feels like this isn't their story anymore, and that they were forced into a protagonism that wasn't theirs to take. On the other side, Viconia's participation was fabulous. She was incredibly relevant to the story while not having to hog the spotlight out of the actual main characters. On contrary, she was incredibly relevant to the main cast's story.
I actually loved Jaheira as the old vet who’s done and seen it all before. She really made Baldur’s Gate feel lived in and the history feel more real. Minsc meanwhile, was mostly fan service but he was hilarious so I didn’t care.
I'm sure many people did as well, but most of them would love her just as much if she accompanied them the same way characters like Dame Aylin do. The biggest difference between her and Minsc is screentime.
I thought that too.
I want Larian to make stuff that makes me _feel_ like how it felt to play BG3 - and the way they do that isn’t necessarily by making BG4.
bg3 is already a sequel.
in the same universe you can probably fit unlimited storylines, but the storyline lf bg3 and its characters is finished in game, anything added afterwards would just be dragging it for no reason
bg4 will surely exist one day, but it should have a whole new cast of characters and avoid mentioning too much about the bg3 gang, so that all the possible endings of bg3 are not reduced to 1 canon one
Yes and BG1 got a direct sequel called BG2. There is absolutely room for more, considering that Jergal at the end even said that the group should be ready for the next thing.
It can absolutely happen but I am not to broken up about it not happening, I just wished that the Epilogue that we got would have been more closing then, and not teasing and hinting at more to come.
The teasing and hinting was done because of the plans that were there. Now it's over and I guess it is what it is. Understandable move for Larian tho. They know they can't reproduce this success and they don't want to lose their identitiy because of another IP.
Yes it is completely understandable, but the epilogues opened windows for more adventures that will now never come. Which is a bit of a shame and I whish now that the epilogue was literally just the catching up with companions part and not the "here are a bunch of things that I will need you rested for" part from Jergal.
But I would never wish for Larian to do something that they do not feel like doing, and amazing of them to keep their integrity intact instead of just riding on the success. I just wish we had never been teased to begin with.
i think jergal implying more adventures is the "riding into the sunset" part of the ending. it is fine as just a tease,
i read somewhere that Larian was indeed working on something, but it is canceled now. idk if thats true, but if it is they gave good reasons. they realized it would not be as good as the main game, and WotC and Hasbro were probably pushing to milk the golden cow way too much. Larian's success is based around them being the good guys of the industry, so even from a purely profit driven POV, they dont wanna tarnish that image and compromise their future as a studio.
i have loved them for years even before bg3 ea was announced, and i know whatever they are doing, it is for good reasons and they will cook something amazing regardless
It is confirmed by Larian that they were working on a DLC, but cancelled it because they felt like it did not come from the heart. Which is the best decision that they could have done, but now we have an epilogue that was building up what was to come after, without it ever coming. Which cheapens the ending in my opinion.
I’m kinda with you. I remember when the Simpsons was amazing. But they kept just cranking it out until it became shit. They made a great game that I’ll keep replaying. Just fix bugs, and dammit make that rope usable 😀
Im good with Larian on this one. They literally changed the industry with Baldurs. Imo:
1. Walk away when you're the champ and dont tarnish everything by releasing 17 sequels that are dogshit.
2. It cant be hard to imagine that a dude who wears plate mail around the office may have ideas he and his team have been excited to explore once Baldurs is done.
BG3 is one of the greatest games every made. It is one of the most complete and in-depth games ever made. It is extremely successful and sets the bar for future gaming. Larian decided to make a complete game and not nickel and dime their fans to death with DLC because they couldn't make a complete game at launch.
In am bummed there is no BG4, sure, but holy hell can we just get over the fact their wont be a sequel? Or more content? This game is a masterpiece and will remain that way. Lets sings it praises.. we can play other games, too.
I don't understand this weird need for a sequel, dlc, whatever, that some people seem to have. Unless you've played every single origin a few diffent ways, tried all the diffent permutations of romances, etc, there's heaps of new content still to find.
Earlier this week I finished a Shadowheart romancing Astarion run, and even with 1300 hours when I started, it had tons of new content for me. Yesterday I started a gith cleric of Vlaakith Durge romancing Lae'zel run, and surprise! Tons of new content.
All the DLC anybody could want is already available just by playing the game a little differently than the last time they played it
This reminded me of Ubisoft vibe. Before BG3 I played old school game HoMM5 many times (campaigns, custom maps) and looked for another game that will impress me in at least similar way. BG3 was more than I expected. Ubisoft’s game was abandoned many years ago, with lots of plot holes and underwritten characters. I hoped that Larian’s work won’t have the same finish as Ubisoft’s one.
HoMM5 was fire. i remember playing hot seat with my friends for hours. longest session was litterally 22hours. we only stopped midway for bathroom breaks and snack. passed out after session was over. good times.
HoMM6 was a bit underwhelming, and HoMM7 had all the potential to be as good as HoMM5 but was a fucking bugfest
as a consumer's even if we are not ready to let go we should 100% support companies that refuse to do cash grab dlcs o sequels even if fans are receptive to it, of course we would want more BG3 but more isnt always better
Exactly this.
Gamers don’t think beyond their emotional needs.
One minute they’re mad a corporations for making soulless sequels and money grabbing DLCs. The next, they’re mad that they’re not getting soulless sequels and money grabbing DLC because they’ve been conditioned to want more.
For real. SVEN even said it would be a soulless dlc since their hearts weren't in it.
But everyone says. Fuck Hasbro!
It's insane. Unless more information comes out.
I think the comparison here isn’t so much developer to developer, but the people “in charge” of the developments of both games.
Larian, who were the creators of the game likely want to continue making games with these characters in this world, but can’t do to publishing/ownership rights by others.
ZA/UM owns the rights to Disco Elysium, not the original creators who were kicked off the team and now can’t continue making games about this world they created even though they want to. So this isn’t a diss to Larian, but Hasbro.
It’s the “likely” part that I’m stuck on. People are getting wild off of “likely” and are spinning a bunch of narratives that aren’t substantiated by anything except their disdain for WotC and Hasbro.
It’s not even supported by Sven’s statements. He even said the team were relieved when he announced that Larian would be moving on and not making any DLC.
They’re ignoring the man himself and reading between *imaginary* lines.
*no sequel by Larian at least. But who cares man, the next game they cook up will be better or at least as good. They want to make passion projects, not run-off-the-mill stuff
"Corporate greed" is to not make sequels to perfectly rounded and finished games ?
So keep squeezing the golden egg chiken by making sequels/DLCs wouldn't be "corporate greed"........ aha.
That's a tremendously absurd and contradictory argument of yours.
The point is that Larian is dista cing themselves from Hasbro. Who has done all the things Swen spoke against on his GDCA awards acceptance speech. Making half-assed DLC just cause they would make a lot of money is a perfect example of corporate greed. And Larian isn't about that.
The argument is based around the claim that after BG3’s success, Hasbro wanted a bigger slice of the pie and likely would have interfered in the development of future content because ‘money’
the story of our beloved bg3 characters was nicely wrapped and finished. there is no point in making a whole sequel where we drag them back into a fucked up situation for no reason.
also a sequel would realistically have to go with a canon ending, which would take away from the people whose endings are not chosen, overall not a good thing.
so, given that for a good sequel, new characters are needed anyways, why not just a completely new universe? Larian would cook a new game next, and im sure it will be amazing, no need to be related to BG3 in any way
Can someone explain this take to me? Larian stopped working on BG3, a highly successful game they could easily have capitalised on the success of for way more money… for greed? It makes no sense to me.
It's not the BG licence that makes the game good, it's Larian.
Don't care if they drop BG licence. I've been so impressed with and enjoyed BG3 so much, I'm going to look to buy their next game, no matter what it is.
Corporate greed why?
Not everything needs a sequel or a DLC.
We got an amazing game with huge replayability.
Larian are an amazing developer and I have faith that they will bring us another masterpiece when they release another IP.
PS: If you're looking for actual corporate greed, look at what Capcom has done with Dragon's Dogma 2.
It's embarrassing.
Makes me double thankful for BG3 and Larian.
yeah the thing with dd2 is hilariously bad. i was excited about character creator and because i play some bits of dd1 and it was really fun. guess they are gonna get the arrrrr arrrrrr treatment from me
Disco Elysium makes scathing critiques of capitalism with relentless mockery. Writers get laid off or run out by capitalist corporate goons. Not suspicious. Definitely not a vendetta by petty rich fucks or anything.
Larian making that announcement when they did was savvy PR. They know their fan base is intelligent enough to see the writing on the wall (that Hasbro and WotC fucked this up, not Larian), thus creating two possible outcomes, both of which leave Larian in good shape.
1. They follow this course, create a new, kickass game under a different IP and reap the benefits.
2. WotC, under backlash from bad publicity, somehow walks this back and mends their relationship with Larian and we get a BG3 DLC and/or BG4, Larian reaps the benefits.
Swen, the hero we need but don't deserve.
People forget overwatch 2
Yes, it did came out, but the famed PvE got officially cancelled fully today. They made one set of missions ending on a cliffhanger and because the CEO was a POS, we'll never get more.
Wait how does BG3 not getting a sequel from Larian have anything to do with corporate greed? If anything its the opposite since they are choosing to walk away from their biggest hit yet. If this was motivated by greed, then wouldn’t they be milking that shit for years to come? Its also not really comparable to the situation with Za/um where the studio is not the same one who made Disco Elysium at this point.
Overall I think it’s great that they are deciding to step away since I am confident whatever they will make next will be great and feel fresh. Also, i am having issues finding any connection between shitty practices from Hasbro/WOTC and the decision of Larian to not make more BG games/dlc. Is there some credible source that makes this connection or is it just conjecture?
Bg3 is a complete, cohesive story. Nothing about bg3 was ended.
Further Baldur's Gate installments from Larian are over, yes. But that doesn't diminish bg3 at all.
Larian knows how to make good quality content. They’ve done so with BG3 and their prior title DOS2. The momentum means they now have the resources and momentum to create more without worrying about external factors, which is only a good thing.
Bdg3 is part of a trilogy.. so I mean the story has to end. It technically is more than a sequel. I'm sorry but quite a bit of yall just jumped on this game at the end of the story. Play all the baldurs gate and bards tale if ya want the full story.
I think the story is perfect as it is. I'm even afraid it might get ruined if they add more. I just wish there was a tool that allowed other players to add more scenarios or create campaigns with their own narratives. I tend to embrace more non-canon narratives.
After reading what Swen said, not sure the 'corporate greed' angle is fully to blame here. Sounds like the team was burned out on working within the D&D system, didn't have enthusiasm to do it after their Christmas break. Good on him for making the call to move on to a project his employees were excited about instead.
Still, hopefully Ethel gets visits from Hasbro/WotC execs looking for lotions and potions... some of the burn out can likely be laid on their desks due to the firing of the folks Larian was working with.
Those situations are on opposite sides of the spectrum though... za/um was destroyed by corporate greed, larian is taking a stance against it? as I understand it, they just don't feel like it and want to move to the next project
Usually a sequel is Corporate greed. You tell your story you move on, I know there are things that we all wished were expanded upon but I'd rather have a Breaking Bad than a Pirates of the Caribbean.
better yet, how about pretty much all the golden age IPs, companies, and studios that ended up in ruins because of that, and to make matters worse lets look at the other medias and industries. This is where we at boys, the late stage capitalism
Show us where corporate greed was cited as justification.
As much as people might not want to admit it, BG3 is a labor-intensive game to produce. Think for a second about webs of possible choices and outcomes, and how they ripple across all three acts. Think about environmental interaction.
You think a DLC story expansion is going to be a breeze to make?
If you don't save scum, it actually moves pretty quickly. It's meant to be relatable, over and over. And, frankly, I'd like to give the devs a break. Let them have fun working on something else that isn't nearly as complex.
I see we are going hard on the speculations. Larian always said it planned to go back to DOS after BG3, not sure why everybody is acting like there is anything more to it.
eh. i believe DE will never get a sequel because of corporate greed a LOT more than BG3 not getting one.
Swen said so himself, they don't do well with dlc. also, ngl, i don't want a bg4 for a few decades. the story itself was a perfect beginning, middle and ending AND the series is a perfect 3 part story
Baldur’s Gate 3 doesn’t get a sequel because… It’s now in a trilogy. badum tsss.
In reality though, I do hope for a BG3 equivalent of Neverwinter Nights, that’d be sweet, regardless of who makes the game. However, the work Larian put into BG3 is once in a generation. It’s really hard to be hopeful any other CRPG will have the level of care and quality as BG3 outside of Larian’s future titles.
The thing to remember is we liked what Larian did with BG3. As long as Larian goes on to do other stuff, I'm fine.
They gonna go with divinity 3 and tbh before bg3 it was the best turned based RPG out there, larian shitting nothing but gold, they will be just fine. I just would love to get a dlc for bg3 though.
They already said they have 2 more projects planned. They specifically said their next game will not be DOS3. They’re going to make an original IP. Then they said they have a big project planned *after* their next game that will, in Swen’s own words, “dwarf BG3.” Hopefully DOS3 but we don’t know
I keep seeing that quote and I'm imagining that game being heavily dwarven in theme
I would be insanely happy if that happened. Dwarves have always been my favourite fantasy race that is surprisingly underrepresented in modern media.
soon we shall have the dwarf tag on steam, for DRG and dwarf fortress and all the new dwarfy content to come
Me and the boys about to diggy diggy hole in that game
Dwarven Gate 3! Now smaller, stumpier, and with 4 times the alcoholism! Pickaxe not included see store page for details
Deep Rock Galactic 2. Except it's an RPG with ab incredibly well written story and cast
it better be. because "smaller bg3" doesn't work nearly as well in my opinion.
I think the quote is actually “it will dwarf BG3” which means “significantly larger than BG3” (making BG3 seem small like a “dwarf” for lack of a better explanation) not “it’ll be a dwarf version of BG3.”
I mean I also hope it's dwarf themed tho
I mean it may be lol, I was more addressing the “smaller BG3” part since it actually meant the opposite. If they were making it dwarf themed too that would be a genius way to hint at it
It's Dwarf as a verb, to mean make appear small, not as an adjective. Swen said that the game after the next game will Dwarf bg3
Tbf, they said it wasn't D:OS3, but they didn't say it wasnt *Divinity* 3! (pls let me be delusional about playing a dragon knight again)
Least delusional divinity fan (I am the same)
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My personal dream: they make a sandbox RPG maker, like Mario Maker, for players to create and share their own scenarios and campaigns. I wouldn't even be mad if they reused BG and Divinity assets. They'd sell ten million copies and people would play it for twenty years.
Yes, this. They don't even need to make a game around it. With games like Garry's mod, or Roblox, it shows that gamers will happily make their own fun if the tools are simple enough. And I will pay for that even if I only ever play other people's games. Like in the use map settings of the old days.
Didn’t they sort of test that out with Divinity 2?
So basically Neverwinter Nigths three? Would be amazing
Plot twist: it's actually Divinity: Original Sin 4!
Yeah wotc be thinking D&D is what made bg3 successful when really it was larian making D&D more popular
There will be another game before Divinity I believe.
It's gonna be a new CumWorld game, mark my fucking words
I wanted icewind dale bad
Neverwinter Nights 3 for me
As long as Larian includes the extra action of shove in every game, I will be happy
I need to be able to pick up my enemies and throw them at things. It's necessary.
Yes. I want this feature in xcom as well
Essential, even.
I dunno why, but I couldn't get into DOS like I could with BG
they said modding support will be added to bg3 and if its anything like skyrim mod community people will be adding loads of new content
They said they're opening official mod support, so I think there's a suitable niche for some really cool modded extra missions and side quests and stuff.
Pathfinder wrath of the righteous tho… polished it’s tied with dos2 for me
I would love for them to make their own tabletop rpg together with Divinity 3.
Divinity gate 4 when?
I'm just.... As like a bit.. I'm just imagining all the original bg3 characters somehow sneaking their way into one of their next games but they're all ~Legally Distinct~ to the tune of wearing wigs, glasses, funny hats, and fake mustaches. Not important in any way, mind you. Just to give the impression that they all went into the witness protection program somehow.
Anything for more karlach and gale. I love them both so much.
I want more of the stuff I know I like. I like this flavor of ice cream. I know the studio makes good ice cream but I want a second order of the flavor I like and there is no certainty I will like the new flavor as much as I would like a second scoop of bg3.
WoTC and Hasbro don't own fantasy settings. If Larian wants to make a sci fi game or anything else, I trust them over Hasbro.
Divinity origin of sin 2 is amazing
I really want a sci fi space adventure game from lariat in the bg3 style. Preferably with a customizable space ship home. Like rpg xcom with starfield ships. Or a larian take on a fallout like game.
With how well they did with bg3 I am 100% faithful with whatever they end up doing
And they've never done expansions in the past, this is what they do. Drop a banger, everybody loves, and then move on
Still, I am just sad we won't get Faerun game from them. I like the lore and the world.
While I'm sad that we won't have any more new content for bg3, I am eager to see what Larian has planned for the future. Also fuck Hasbro.
>I am eager to see what Larian has planned for the future Me too! I think BG3s success will fund the success of their future IPs and we will be excited about that game too.
Out of the loop: What does Hasbro to do with Larian not continue BG3? I know Hasbro has some rights (or THE rights?) over DnD in General, but what happened that Larian won't/can't continue?
It is unclear what Hasbro has done exactly, however they did fire most if not all of the people who worked with Larian on BG3. They have the rights to dnd, as they own wizards of the coast who are the people who handle the license. And even if what happened with Larian isn't smth to tell Hasbro to go fuck itself over, what Hasbro does with dnd in general is (at least for me). In case you don't know, Hasbro believes DND is under monetized, and as such they made/attempted to make changes to dnd that were very anti-consumer. Add to that that One DND, the supposed DND 6ed, is either insufficient or straight up bad so far.
It’s hilarious they are trying to over-monetize a tabletop game that is so DM dependent even compared to others. It’s not gonna end well for them.
So far we only really have conjecture and theories, but here's what we know: 1) Hasbro, who own Wizards of the Coast, who publish all official D&D material, let go about 20% of their people (1100ish people total) last december, right before Christmas, despite posting record profits. A lot of those were people working on D&D, specificly the art and design teams. Larian said that from their original team to discuss BG3 with, almost nobody is left. 2) Swen Vincke, owner of Larian, has had multiple posts on Twitter or interviews in the last couple of months where he derided publishers and corporations for their greed, and admonished them for their short term thinking in laying off good people just to have nice quarterly results. He also said the team had started work on DLC for BG3, but over the christmas break decided to stop work on the project. There's no confirmation, but considering the timing and tone of the messages, combined with what happened at Hasbro, it seems reasonable to assume Larian has decided to cut ties with Hasbro over what happened. This could be a principal thing (sending a message they don't want to work with a company that does that to their employees. It could be a personal thing, where they decided that since the original BG3 team at Wizards no longer existed, they didn't feel like continueing. Or it's a business thing, where Hasbro (seeing the hundreds of millions BG3 has made, of which they 'only' got about 100 mil), decided that any DLC or future projects require a bigger fee going to Hasbro, and/or they wanted more input and control over the final product. Enough meddling to make Larian go "Nah, we don't need you". Either way, Larian has the money, the influence, the people and the infrastructure to make and publish their own games. They will be fine without Hasbro looking over their shoulder. But many people (myself included) are sad that this it for BG3 and its characters.
There's gonna be a bit more content, but not anything as big as a DLCs or expansions.
Swen specifically said no new content
He did say they are still working on cross platform mods. They are likely also still working on cross play because that was announced after they stopped working on the DLC.
Right, but cross play and mod support is not content
Wait what. There is no dlc planned for bg3 now???
For multiple reasons, some tied to Hasbro being Hasbro, some being tied to the fact that after so much time spent working as hard as they did on BG3, the team at Larian is willing to get into a new project. But no, no dlc for bg3. There may be however some mods that may reach a level high enough to be dlc size.
That is sad news. I would gladly give larian more money for more content
So would I, but it's not even a question of money. They just want to work on smth else for a change. But in addition to that, Hasbro being an ass company means Larian won't work on an eventual Bg4.
Side note, if y’all haven’t played Disco Elysium….play Disco Elysium.
Right now, is morally acceptable to pirate Disco Elysium.
As a person who has bought DE every platform I could - I support this message. To hell with corporate greed
Best game narrative ever, transcending its genre and even medium entirely. It was like reading a post-modernist book
wotc will wait another 20 years for bg4, funny considering they announced they will be making more video games
They are 100% going to make a shit ton more games, they're just going to want them ASAP. Wotc is going to license out their IP to anyone with a pulse who will promise to deliver on time and under budget. That's likely why larian backed out - no more "it's done when it's done".
If they go the Games Workshop route we're bound to eventually get another hit, it'll just be spaced between a lot of dubious decisions
Still better than the route EA went with _fucking star wars_ license, cancelling more games than releasing, and making like 1.5 good ones and rest rubbish.
With MTG alone they could make a shitton of games. Not that it worked that well the last 2/3 they made
WotC won't exist 20 years from now. It will just be another long dead trademark Hasbro is sitting on.
If you think they can't just print money with magic the gathering you have no idea what you're talking about lol.
I think that what they meant is that they will simply produce Magic the Gathering branded as a Hasbro product directly, just like all the Milton Bradley and Parker Brothers board games that are now published with the Hasbro mark on them.
You mean the Magic cards they overprinted to the point they were being told to stop, and that had entire pallets worth of cards sent off to landfills to get them out of the market? Magic is well into it's reclining phase. It's why they they're taking every dumb ass licensing deals and cross over promotions with the game they can get now. Back at it's peak they were so protective of their golden goose they wouldn't even risk doing D&D cross overs with Magic, much less outside IPs, now they'll make a card set for every damn product that offers to try to squeeze the last bits of cash they can get out of Magic before it finally crashes for good. The new version of D&D is only getting the three core book actually published, after that they're basically downsizing the whole department and switching over to digital products.
I recently found out from the MTG reddit postings that they had even done an MLP one, never cringed that hard. They will do any crossover.
The MLP crossover at least keeps it within Hasbro properties.
I hate Hasbro as much as the next guy (MTG and DND player!) but the MLP one was at least for charity
Yeah. They will take literally any promotional deal with any other IP at this point. Anything to sell the paper crack.
There's a Fallout and Assassins Creed set as well
Meanwhile ZA/UM is dead, they kicked out every Disco writers
i don’t really know what they’re gonna do now, tho isn’t it more controversial? I haven’t watched the documentary yet so i don’t know details
Probably keep selling overpriced merch until nobody wants any more $400 Kim Kitsuragi jackets, then liquidate the whole operation. It's sad, really.
afaik they didn’t fire *every* writer, just the main ones who came up with the IP in the first place (still awful)
Yeah I just think larian doesn't want to work with wizards or hasbro anymore
I think this is a likely scenario. I think they were excited to play with the “big boys” but then realized how little freedom they actually had. I think a lot of the choices I wasn’t too fond of in BG3 were because of very specific stipulations. And I can’t really say what choices. It’ll just come off as presumptuous and weird. But I still can’t shake the feeling.
I also bet they had a lot more freedom from Hasbro&WotC because they thought the game wouldn’t sell well but when the money started rolling in they probably changed their tune to “how can we milk this”
well you got the head of hasbro who can't shut up about how much they want to milk it plus all the people in Wotc who worked with Larian were in the last round of layoffs, so... yeah so probably since I bet hasbro put a finance bro on the new relations team Im certain they saw the big leagues was nothing but a hollow husk and noped the fuck out
Larian should hire the guys that made disco elysium
larian disco elysium 2 would be amazing
Honestly this is my dream scenario
It sucks, but at the same time i applaud Larian for taking a stand against it. Also my understanding is that Larian actually didnt even want to make more content and sequel.
Though with the 5e rules set up in this format they might have been happy to do a Neverwinter Nights game (if sticking to franchises), or any other game set on Feyrun (sic!).
Controversial opinion : I don't want endless sequels and franchises.
It really depends on what you do with said franchises. DnD in particular is an extremely flexible setting able to accommodate multiple effectively unrelated stories which are only connected by a brand and the kind of characters within the world. There's totally scope for a BG4 to have nothing to do with any of the previous games, aside from being in and around Baldur's Gate. What's problematic about sequels and franchises is that they end up finding one thing that works, then try to do that over and over again to diminishing returns.
I don't mean DnD in general. I mean flogging the Baldurs Gate horse in particular. Faerun is a big place.
I'd love to revisit Athkathla. See about what's happened there. Especially if the place was destroyed like was hinted at in Throne of Bhaal by that invading army led by a Bhaalspawn.
>There's totally scope for a BG4 to have nothing to do with any of the previous games, aside from being in and around Baldur's Gate. I mean, the Baldur's Gate name is just the title for the series. BG2, arguably the better of the original games, takes place entirely within the countries of Amn and Tethyr to the south of Baldur's Gate. I think that BG4 would be a conceptual nightmare, if I'm being honest, and personally was never really hoping for it to be a thing, I'd much rather get disconnected stories, or give the other series the BG3 makeover. Maybe a Neverwinter Nights 3? Icewind Dale 2\*? There's more interesting places in Faerun other than just Baldur's Gate to go to. Even just going with the Pathfinder: Kingmaker route and turning the published modules into videogames could be interesting, but 5e content like how BG3/4 is/would be built would be absolutely horrendous to scale and balance. They'd need a fully new system to make it palatable to even play around with. BG2 allowed you to level up to 40, and each level gave less for class features and whatnot, but 5e just isn't built like that, so it'd have to be much closer to "inspired by 5e" instead of pure(ish) 5e like we got in 3. (\* I know there is an Icewind Dale 2 that was made, but its source code is lost, and it's been 20 years, so we're at the point where it's practically lost to time for most people.)
Or do the opposite, they know one thing that works but never do it again despite the fans practically begged and go do whatever highly monetised multiplayer online casino and keep failing at it
Yeah there's a bunch of companies who seem desperate to lean into the "live service" model which nobody really seems to want except the companies trying to milk it for big bux.
The fact that nothing is lost by not knowing the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 supports this.
Wild to say that on a sub for a sequel to a franchise.
I can get behind it for Disco Elysium. The ending for that one felt perfect. More stories in that setting could be fun but I also feel totally satisfied with it being a one-and-done.
Hot take: Baldur's Gate 2 didn't needed a sequel either
Can we even call Throne of Bhaal a sequel?
Black Isle themselves called it a sequel. They essentially said it was the third game in a trilogy.
ToB is like a 40 hours of extra content all on its own and is the direct continuation and final ending of the BG saga. It was originally meant to be BG3 but was cut down to expansion pack length and budget. It is like the same length as KoTOR2 iirc off the top of my head for perspective.
disco elysium i definitely did, as they set us up to see jamrock and there was a hefty dose of existential dread set up with the more supernatural? for lack of a better word stuff
I don't understand where this is coming from though. Despite being a franchise and having references to the past games, there is no need to play the previous games to fully experience it. So i don't get how being part of a franchise is even relevant besides the quality standards, which i presume are a good thing. No offense, i'm just curious. People love Final Fantasy games because it's a stamp of quality in the JRPG genre. Sure, Larian will probably keep making amazing games, Baldur's Gate or not, but D&D fans would love to have more Larian quality D&D CRPGs.
people asking for a bg4 are not really asking for a sequel to bg3 that is to bg3 what bg3 is to bg2. they are asking for a continuation of bg3 with the same characters. this ks understandable, we love them and want more of them, but ultimately it would be bad storywise
I'm quite sure that tons of people are asking for different things and they diverge more often than they converge, but i understand your point. I love that Jaheira and Misc are part of BG3, but i hate that they are companions. I think it feels like this isn't their story anymore, and that they were forced into a protagonism that wasn't theirs to take. On the other side, Viconia's participation was fabulous. She was incredibly relevant to the story while not having to hog the spotlight out of the actual main characters. On contrary, she was incredibly relevant to the main cast's story.
I actually loved Jaheira as the old vet who’s done and seen it all before. She really made Baldur’s Gate feel lived in and the history feel more real. Minsc meanwhile, was mostly fan service but he was hilarious so I didn’t care.
I'm sure many people did as well, but most of them would love her just as much if she accompanied them the same way characters like Dame Aylin do. The biggest difference between her and Minsc is screentime.
What people? Are these people in the room with us?
I thought that too. I want Larian to make stuff that makes me _feel_ like how it felt to play BG3 - and the way they do that isn’t necessarily by making BG4.
Nobody was saying that though? BG 3 could definately get one or two sequels, and then be over.
bg3 is already a sequel. in the same universe you can probably fit unlimited storylines, but the storyline lf bg3 and its characters is finished in game, anything added afterwards would just be dragging it for no reason bg4 will surely exist one day, but it should have a whole new cast of characters and avoid mentioning too much about the bg3 gang, so that all the possible endings of bg3 are not reduced to 1 canon one
Yes and BG1 got a direct sequel called BG2. There is absolutely room for more, considering that Jergal at the end even said that the group should be ready for the next thing. It can absolutely happen but I am not to broken up about it not happening, I just wished that the Epilogue that we got would have been more closing then, and not teasing and hinting at more to come.
The teasing and hinting was done because of the plans that were there. Now it's over and I guess it is what it is. Understandable move for Larian tho. They know they can't reproduce this success and they don't want to lose their identitiy because of another IP.
Yes it is completely understandable, but the epilogues opened windows for more adventures that will now never come. Which is a bit of a shame and I whish now that the epilogue was literally just the catching up with companions part and not the "here are a bunch of things that I will need you rested for" part from Jergal. But I would never wish for Larian to do something that they do not feel like doing, and amazing of them to keep their integrity intact instead of just riding on the success. I just wish we had never been teased to begin with.
i think jergal implying more adventures is the "riding into the sunset" part of the ending. it is fine as just a tease, i read somewhere that Larian was indeed working on something, but it is canceled now. idk if thats true, but if it is they gave good reasons. they realized it would not be as good as the main game, and WotC and Hasbro were probably pushing to milk the golden cow way too much. Larian's success is based around them being the good guys of the industry, so even from a purely profit driven POV, they dont wanna tarnish that image and compromise their future as a studio. i have loved them for years even before bg3 ea was announced, and i know whatever they are doing, it is for good reasons and they will cook something amazing regardless
It is confirmed by Larian that they were working on a DLC, but cancelled it because they felt like it did not come from the heart. Which is the best decision that they could have done, but now we have an epilogue that was building up what was to come after, without it ever coming. Which cheapens the ending in my opinion.
I’m kinda with you. I remember when the Simpsons was amazing. But they kept just cranking it out until it became shit. They made a great game that I’ll keep replaying. Just fix bugs, and dammit make that rope usable 😀
Im good with Larian on this one. They literally changed the industry with Baldurs. Imo: 1. Walk away when you're the champ and dont tarnish everything by releasing 17 sequels that are dogshit. 2. It cant be hard to imagine that a dude who wears plate mail around the office may have ideas he and his team have been excited to explore once Baldurs is done.
Controversial opinion: I do. Gimmie more of the stuff I love instead of new stuff I might hate
BG3 is one of the greatest games every made. It is one of the most complete and in-depth games ever made. It is extremely successful and sets the bar for future gaming. Larian decided to make a complete game and not nickel and dime their fans to death with DLC because they couldn't make a complete game at launch. In am bummed there is no BG4, sure, but holy hell can we just get over the fact their wont be a sequel? Or more content? This game is a masterpiece and will remain that way. Lets sings it praises.. we can play other games, too.
I don't understand this weird need for a sequel, dlc, whatever, that some people seem to have. Unless you've played every single origin a few diffent ways, tried all the diffent permutations of romances, etc, there's heaps of new content still to find. Earlier this week I finished a Shadowheart romancing Astarion run, and even with 1300 hours when I started, it had tons of new content for me. Yesterday I started a gith cleric of Vlaakith Durge romancing Lae'zel run, and surprise! Tons of new content. All the DLC anybody could want is already available just by playing the game a little differently than the last time they played it
This reminded me of Ubisoft vibe. Before BG3 I played old school game HoMM5 many times (campaigns, custom maps) and looked for another game that will impress me in at least similar way. BG3 was more than I expected. Ubisoft’s game was abandoned many years ago, with lots of plot holes and underwritten characters. I hoped that Larian’s work won’t have the same finish as Ubisoft’s one.
HoMM4 is my favorite 😍 The fact that your hero can be as Powerful as any creature, the class combinations. All too perfect
Nice to know that someone still remembers about HoMM games 🤝
HoMM5 was fire. i remember playing hot seat with my friends for hours. longest session was litterally 22hours. we only stopped midway for bathroom breaks and snack. passed out after session was over. good times. HoMM6 was a bit underwhelming, and HoMM7 had all the potential to be as good as HoMM5 but was a fucking bugfest
as a consumer's even if we are not ready to let go we should 100% support companies that refuse to do cash grab dlcs o sequels even if fans are receptive to it, of course we would want more BG3 but more isnt always better
Exactly this. Gamers don’t think beyond their emotional needs. One minute they’re mad a corporations for making soulless sequels and money grabbing DLCs. The next, they’re mad that they’re not getting soulless sequels and money grabbing DLC because they’ve been conditioned to want more.
For real. SVEN even said it would be a soulless dlc since their hearts weren't in it. But everyone says. Fuck Hasbro! It's insane. Unless more information comes out.
Corporate greed would have cause the Reverse effect. creating a shileedload of half baked sequel with no soul.
It is the sequel you fuggin morons.
What does “corporate greed” have to do with **Larian deciding not to make DLC** because their hearts weren’t into it?
I think the comparison here isn’t so much developer to developer, but the people “in charge” of the developments of both games. Larian, who were the creators of the game likely want to continue making games with these characters in this world, but can’t do to publishing/ownership rights by others. ZA/UM owns the rights to Disco Elysium, not the original creators who were kicked off the team and now can’t continue making games about this world they created even though they want to. So this isn’t a diss to Larian, but Hasbro.
It’s the “likely” part that I’m stuck on. People are getting wild off of “likely” and are spinning a bunch of narratives that aren’t substantiated by anything except their disdain for WotC and Hasbro. It’s not even supported by Sven’s statements. He even said the team were relieved when he announced that Larian would be moving on and not making any DLC. They’re ignoring the man himself and reading between *imaginary* lines.
*no sequel by Larian at least. But who cares man, the next game they cook up will be better or at least as good. They want to make passion projects, not run-off-the-mill stuff
"Corporate greed" is to not make sequels to perfectly rounded and finished games ? So keep squeezing the golden egg chiken by making sequels/DLCs wouldn't be "corporate greed"........ aha. That's a tremendously absurd and contradictory argument of yours.
The point is that Larian is dista cing themselves from Hasbro. Who has done all the things Swen spoke against on his GDCA awards acceptance speech. Making half-assed DLC just cause they would make a lot of money is a perfect example of corporate greed. And Larian isn't about that.
The argument is based around the claim that after BG3’s success, Hasbro wanted a bigger slice of the pie and likely would have interfered in the development of future content because ‘money’
the story of our beloved bg3 characters was nicely wrapped and finished. there is no point in making a whole sequel where we drag them back into a fucked up situation for no reason. also a sequel would realistically have to go with a canon ending, which would take away from the people whose endings are not chosen, overall not a good thing. so, given that for a good sequel, new characters are needed anyways, why not just a completely new universe? Larian would cook a new game next, and im sure it will be amazing, no need to be related to BG3 in any way
Can someone explain this take to me? Larian stopped working on BG3, a highly successful game they could easily have capitalised on the success of for way more money… for greed? It makes no sense to me.
2 points. 1) Corpo's can go get fucked 2) I will 100% support Larian and their new title.
It's not the BG licence that makes the game good, it's Larian. Don't care if they drop BG licence. I've been so impressed with and enjoyed BG3 so much, I'm going to look to buy their next game, no matter what it is.
Or maybe it ends because Larian wants to do something else? Fandom is so annoying sometimes.
Corporate greed why? Not everything needs a sequel or a DLC. We got an amazing game with huge replayability. Larian are an amazing developer and I have faith that they will bring us another masterpiece when they release another IP. PS: If you're looking for actual corporate greed, look at what Capcom has done with Dragon's Dogma 2. It's embarrassing. Makes me double thankful for BG3 and Larian.
People just have their own little stupid ass narratives in their head and don’t pay attention to actual detail.
yeah the thing with dd2 is hilariously bad. i was excited about character creator and because i play some bits of dd1 and it was really fun. guess they are gonna get the arrrrr arrrrrr treatment from me
Disco Elysium makes scathing critiques of capitalism with relentless mockery. Writers get laid off or run out by capitalist corporate goons. Not suspicious. Definitely not a vendetta by petty rich fucks or anything.
Nah what, they can do whatever they want to, we're not entitled to more than what we paid for, and we paid for bg3
And that's fine. I'd rather have a standalone masterpiece than a masterpiece and the corporate cashgrab with a 2 in the title (or 4, in this case).
Larian making that announcement when they did was savvy PR. They know their fan base is intelligent enough to see the writing on the wall (that Hasbro and WotC fucked this up, not Larian), thus creating two possible outcomes, both of which leave Larian in good shape. 1. They follow this course, create a new, kickass game under a different IP and reap the benefits. 2. WotC, under backlash from bad publicity, somehow walks this back and mends their relationship with Larian and we get a BG3 DLC and/or BG4, Larian reaps the benefits. Swen, the hero we need but don't deserve.
Plus side: this means the series can end on a higher note than most series efer achieve.
People forget overwatch 2 Yes, it did came out, but the famed PvE got officially cancelled fully today. They made one set of missions ending on a cliffhanger and because the CEO was a POS, we'll never get more.
At least Larian still exists in a meaningful way. ZA/UM is a shadow of its former self.
You only got these games to begin with because of corporate greed. Welcome to reality
Wait how does BG3 not getting a sequel from Larian have anything to do with corporate greed? If anything its the opposite since they are choosing to walk away from their biggest hit yet. If this was motivated by greed, then wouldn’t they be milking that shit for years to come? Its also not really comparable to the situation with Za/um where the studio is not the same one who made Disco Elysium at this point. Overall I think it’s great that they are deciding to step away since I am confident whatever they will make next will be great and feel fresh. Also, i am having issues finding any connection between shitty practices from Hasbro/WOTC and the decision of Larian to not make more BG games/dlc. Is there some credible source that makes this connection or is it just conjecture?
Bg3 is a complete, cohesive story. Nothing about bg3 was ended. Further Baldur's Gate installments from Larian are over, yes. But that doesn't diminish bg3 at all.
My two favourite games.
Larian created the game of the decade and still people are complaining.
BG3 will absolutely have sequels, just like BG 1 and 2 did. Will they be good? Probably not. Ever heard of "Abdel Adrian"?
Larian knows how to make good quality content. They’ve done so with BG3 and their prior title DOS2. The momentum means they now have the resources and momentum to create more without worrying about external factors, which is only a good thing.
I'm pretty happy they're moving on tbh.
We have to remember that Baldur’s Gate 3 IS a sequel. There are two other games ahead of it.
Bdg3 is part of a trilogy.. so I mean the story has to end. It technically is more than a sequel. I'm sorry but quite a bit of yall just jumped on this game at the end of the story. Play all the baldurs gate and bards tale if ya want the full story.
What about a Pathfinder game by Larian? Imagine the epic storylines of the pathfinder campaigns but with the Larian's love and attention to details.
They have said multiple times that they were not making a sequel and never intended to, this sub has gone mental.
I think the story is perfect as it is. I'm even afraid it might get ruined if they add more. I just wish there was a tool that allowed other players to add more scenarios or create campaigns with their own narratives. I tend to embrace more non-canon narratives.
Good on em. Fuck Hasbro.
It's same reason why we had to wait 25 years between BG2 and BG3.
I don't care about BG3 because it's DND/Forgotten Realms, I care because of Larian making it. I go where they go, basically.
Oh there will be a Baldur's Gate 4. It'll be rushed and soulless, but it's coming.
capitalism 101
Hopefully they fix all the bugs before moving on to their next project.
I thought larian said the team was just not enthusiastic about working on the dlc. Or did I miss something
After reading what Swen said, not sure the 'corporate greed' angle is fully to blame here. Sounds like the team was burned out on working within the D&D system, didn't have enthusiasm to do it after their Christmas break. Good on him for making the call to move on to a project his employees were excited about instead. Still, hopefully Ethel gets visits from Hasbro/WotC execs looking for lotions and potions... some of the burn out can likely be laid on their desks due to the firing of the folks Larian was working with.
Those situations are on opposite sides of the spectrum though... za/um was destroyed by corporate greed, larian is taking a stance against it? as I understand it, they just don't feel like it and want to move to the next project
maybe you need check again because disco elysium have no choice in the matter
Usually a sequel is Corporate greed. You tell your story you move on, I know there are things that we all wished were expanded upon but I'd rather have a Breaking Bad than a Pirates of the Caribbean.
better yet, how about pretty much all the golden age IPs, companies, and studios that ended up in ruins because of that, and to make matters worse lets look at the other medias and industries. This is where we at boys, the late stage capitalism
Would be a huge fuck you to Hasbro/WotC if Larian's next game is based on Pathfinder 2e.
Im lost, what corporate greed? I thought Larian just wanted to work on their own shit...like they always have?
What happened with Disco Elysium?
Show us where corporate greed was cited as justification. As much as people might not want to admit it, BG3 is a labor-intensive game to produce. Think for a second about webs of possible choices and outcomes, and how they ripple across all three acts. Think about environmental interaction. You think a DLC story expansion is going to be a breeze to make? If you don't save scum, it actually moves pretty quickly. It's meant to be relatable, over and over. And, frankly, I'd like to give the devs a break. Let them have fun working on something else that isn't nearly as complex.
I see we are going hard on the speculations. Larian always said it planned to go back to DOS after BG3, not sure why everybody is acting like there is anything more to it.
Corporate greed ? From hasbro I imagine, what happened ?
I just dont understand. If there will be no bg4 or dlc. Why would Withers say this is the end for now?
eh. i believe DE will never get a sequel because of corporate greed a LOT more than BG3 not getting one. Swen said so himself, they don't do well with dlc. also, ngl, i don't want a bg4 for a few decades. the story itself was a perfect beginning, middle and ending AND the series is a perfect 3 part story
There's definitely going to be a sequel to BG3. Remember, Hasbro owns the name and characters.
Nobody said BG3 wouldn't get a sequel.We just know Larian won't make it. Basically just as bad.
Baldur’s Gate 3 doesn’t get a sequel because… It’s now in a trilogy. badum tsss. In reality though, I do hope for a BG3 equivalent of Neverwinter Nights, that’d be sweet, regardless of who makes the game. However, the work Larian put into BG3 is once in a generation. It’s really hard to be hopeful any other CRPG will have the level of care and quality as BG3 outside of Larian’s future titles.
Larian please make a Starfinder game. I want to be a power-armored Dwarf space wizard.
Fym bg3 not having a sequel? IT IS THE SEQUEL
Bg4 could still happen it just won't be under larian studios it would be from some other studio
BG3 developers have the resources to make an even better game than BG3 in the future. Can't say the same for the Disco Elysium developers.
So what’s happened with bg3? I’ve seen people talking about it but I haven’t heard what actually happened