The people telling players to just play and musicians to just sing are the same ones that get excited when Ted "P*do" Nugent, Scott Baio, Kid Rock and Kevin Sorbo make "valid" criticisms.
The purpose of that stance is to infantilize the entire citizenry and to silence all of us. It’s patriarchal “The grownups are talking” bullshit, which has no place in a democracy. Everyone should have an opinion on politics, and speaking out about issues is for all of us, not just some selected and christened group of political daddies.
People were calling for war and total bloodshed back when the Oct 7th body count was 178 people, even though over 200 Palestinians were killed the year before.
These guys took millions of taxpayer dollars each year to run pro-war and promilitary campaigns before and during the Iraq War, but now you are surprised that they take blood money?
Was it an Israel ad? I thought it was a just a “stop Jewish hate” commercial?
And can we talk about that “He gets us” ad? That organization is fucking terrible.
Would love to see fans of these commercials wash some immigrants feet like Jesus did
Instead of putting up razor wire and throwing them in detention centers
I don't know much about He Gets Us. Wouldn't be surprised if they're terrible behind the scenes. But Jesus washing feet is a powerful image of serving the poor and less fortunate. Washing someone's feet involves lowering yourself to do dirty work, and so Jesus washing the feet of beggars and lepers reminds us to be humble -- no one should consider themselves "above" other people.
They get their funding from a lot of right wing Christian fundamentalists. Also I find something sus about an organization that spends what it costs to buy not one but two Superbowl ad spots instead of doing what Jesus would have more likely suggested, which is using that money to actually help the poor. They'd rather proselytize through expensive ad spots than through real action.
This is what sits with me after that. If they got all this money to help people with, why aren't they helping people?
All this money for ads but nothing to build homeless shelters or offer free counseling to the people struggling IRL.
There was a list on here the other day showing that a nontrivial portion of their money goes towards orgs who push for the eradication of anyone not a straight, white, right wing Christian.
The casual antisemitism everywhere is incredibly disturbing. Stop Jewish Hate does not equal Israel support. Plenty of Jews do not support Israel’s actions.
These Christian Ads are funny af. If you have to pay millions of dollars to air an ad beggging people to become Christian, maybe the religion ain’t shit
It’s a 1 billion dollar ad campaign. For what, you might ask? That’s literally it. They spend money on ads. If they actually helped people with that money instead of doing ads, they’d actually make a difference. But you know the only thing they care about, and it sure as shit isn’t helping people
Boy do I hate turning what’s happening in Gaza into a culture war. Considering culture wars over here are always so fucking stupid, getting the genocide mixed in cheapens it and makes it feel like another dumb left/right divide when it should be a humanity/inhumanity divide.
But I digress.
They even got MLK’s speech writer. You know they were targeting black viewers with that, black Americans are largely the only big voting bloc who isn’t falling for their bullshit
I want to seem hopeful, but money always talks. Look at how the big subs, r/picture, r/news were all pro-ceasefire and antiwar until they slowly shifted to being mouthpieces for Netenyahu. They’re going to target this sub as well eventually
This sub has people that think the star of David is the flag of israel. Yall can support whatever you want on the war as is your right but "fighting for the truth" is laughable considering how ignorant of the entire situation most people are here
Most people in all the US are ignorant of the situation. But regardless of people knowing flags, they can see the clear colonialism attempts against the Palestinians. Which is also more than what most Americans can see.
How can they see shit lol look at the post itself. They took an antisemitism ad as a commercial promoting Israel. There's no thinking involved, just yelling their voices loud and proud while having no knowledge about what's going on
Martin Luther King was fairly pro Jew and Zionism. Even if you don’t believe that his “Letter to my Anti-Zionist Friend” is real, he definitely had other statements that supported Israel.
He wouldn’t be supporting the mass murder of Palestinians. He makes his stance against war and the killing of innocent people pretty clear in Beyond Vietnam. His daughter also recently checked Amy Schmuer for using her dad this way last fall
Still that was in the sixties. What Israel was doing might not have been widely known back then and of course he died long before all the transgressions that have occurred in the past fifty-odd years.
He was alive when the Nakba and 6 day war happened which are the cornerstones of the primary wedge issues between Israel and Palestine during peace talks (right of return, and 1967 borders).
I agree that his opinion may have changed based on what has happened. The nature of the conflict has changed since then with most of the violence done by both sides being directed at civilians.
Considering a synagogue gets targeted or threatened every fucking holiday. Yeah... Antisemitism is still a thing. Attacks against Jews are absolutely on the rise. Fuck Israel, but this shit wasn't an Israeli ad.
It's a fact that a lot of Jews are not about Israel's and Netanyahu's bullshit. We need to be fucking better about not mixing the two up.
I didn’t see the ad, but to say a message “Stop Jewish hate” is a Nazi message is pretty rich. If it’s pro-Israel, okay, that’s gross, but think about the words you use. And really, can Jewish people not stand up against anti-semitism without it being conflated with supporting Israel?
It was an ad about a swastika being drawn on an American Jewish family home. And words saying No Jews. Neighbor helps paint it while the mom and kid are away.
It had nothing to do with Israel. And everything to do with antisemitism. If people really are upset about a swastika being covered up, maybe they were the ones the commercial was directed at.
I haven't seen a ton of tv commercials in the last few years because I mostly watch streaming apps. It felt like a fever dream to me. Like why does Jesus have commercials? Also I can't imagine anyone making a "stop black hate" commercial and airing it over the super bowl. I'll be the first to admit that I know basically nothing about the Israel/Palestine conflict and this may be related to discourse around that but it was really jarring
Just think about the money it costs to air that and struggling citizens in countries with austerity, inflation, recession are giving Israel "AID" when Israel has over 200 billion surplus
I just wanna say, it was crazy that an anti Jewish Hate commercial was one of the earliest segments during the super bowl.. in the middle of Black History Month
Cuz they are backed by a state with the money and the support of half the US. Black people have neither. I don’t even think 1/4 of the us population really fucks with us like that.
> Cuz they are backed by a state with the money and the support of half the US.
The white elderly shitforbrains half.
Unfortunately, that's also the half with like 90+% of all the money.
The commercial was disingenuous though. Robert Kraft, the man that funded the commercial, has deep ties to AIPAC and other projects funding Israel. He's also an owner of the Patriots NFL team. Be for real if you don't see how they position Judaism as a shield for Zionist backed destruction of Palestine. Weaponizing Judaism when not all Jewish people support what's going on is awful.
So he has ties so automatically it’s pro Israel ?!?
What logic is that?!?
Hate crimes against Jews are a serious issue going back decades. This video had nothing to do with Israel period. Stop changing what the commercial was about.
It’s pretty terrible that Jews get more hate crimes commited against them than all other religions combined in america and rising ….
And your upset that a commercial brought attention to that? Do you yell all live matter during BLM protests ?
It was paid for by [Robert Kraft.](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/robert-kraft-super-bowl-commercial/)
> The New England Patriots’ 81-year-old owner, Robert Kraft, writes seven-digit checks to the right-wing Israeli lobbying machine AIPAC, but his personal, political, and financial ties to Israel run deeper than the occasional donation. The multibillionaire married his late wife, Myra, in Israel in 1963 when Kraft, then 22, was older than the nation itself. Together they set up numerous business, athletic, and charitable ties to Israel, a record of which is proudly proclaimed on the Kraft company website. In particular, the Kraft Group boasts of its “Touchdown in Israel” program, where NFL players are given free, highly organized vacations to see “the holy land” and come back to spread the word about “the only democracy in the Middle East.” (Not every NFL player has chosen to take part.) Kraft also attends fundraisers for the Israel Defense Forces, currently—and in open view of the world—committing war crimes in Gaza.
>Now, as Israel wages war against the civilians of Gaza—more than 25,000 Palestinian have been killed with at least 10,000 of them children—Kraft is again flexing his financial and political muscles in order to defend the indefensible. His Foundation to Combat Antisemitism (FCAS) will be spending an estimated $7 million to buy a Super Bowl ad titled “Stop Jewish Hate” that will be seen by well over 100 million people. **Under Kraft’s direction, the ad’s goal is to create a propaganda campaign to counter the reports and images from Gaza that young people are consuming on social media. As Kraft said on CNN in December, “Fifty percent of what’s being spread is lies and not accurate, and young people unfortunately are believing.”**
>**This is Kraft enacting the mission of FCAS: fostering disinformation. He is far from subtle: A Palestinian flag becomes a “Hamas flag,” and people like the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets of Washington, D.C., last month to call for a cease-fire and end the violence are expressions of the “rise in antisemitism.”** Without a sense of irony or the horrors happening on the ground in Gaza, Kraft says he is giving $100 million of his own money to FCAS, because “hate leads to violence .”
>Let’s be clear: What Kraft is doing politically and what he will be using the Super Bowl as a platform to do is dangerous. He appears to think any criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic. **For Kraft, it is Jews like myself, rabbis, and Holocaust survivors calling for a cease-fire and a Free Palestine that are part of the problem. Kraft seems to think that opposition to Israel, the IDF, and the AIPAC agenda is antisemitism.**
Thats the only commercial I saw and was confused by how it’s “an Israel commercial.”
You can support Jewish people and not be for the Israeli Government.
Because only one side is disproportionately bombing and starving people. And the only response seems to be “well that’s war” or it actually Hamas’ fault that we just bombed this hospital and killed these journalists.
And yes I care about other atrocities. Bold/predictable of you to assume that people cant hold more than one idea or only care about one thing bc we are responding to a post about Israel
I’ve heard all of this before. I still don’t want kids and journalists and innocent men and women to die. I also don’t want innocent Israeli people to die. Just because I am critical of right wing warmongering colonialists doesn’t mean I don’t understand these other particular nuances which still don’t justify the death toll
Do you ever wonder how Israel has killed more civilians in the Israel Hamas war than Russia has in the invasion despite Ukraine also using hospitals, residential areas and schools as military bases?
I fucking hate the disproportionality argument, which insinuates that if hamas was more successful in killing Jews or smth then all you anti-Semites would be less critical of israel
What argument would be acceptable for you?
You are speaking about hypothetical people Hamas would kill while Israel actually goes above and beyond in its response to Hamas and actual people die. We are talking about actual deaths not debate club arguments. Grow up
The thing that confuses me whenever I see this is what do you think the neutral state here is?
Hamas or some organization by another name has been calling for the total extermination of Jews for decades. Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel and killing of all Jews. The "Israel stop" position just means that Hamas returns to firing rockets, and if given the chance, suicide bombers again. History has shown this 5-7 different times already.
Not that this means what I think what Israel is doing is right but I honestly wonder what people want to happen. How do deal with a neighbor who's top political goal is the death of all of your people?
What's the move there?
I don’t know that I, an artist and art professor, have the solution that policy makers/wonks have fumbled for so long.
But I know that Israel’s more right wing colonialist impulses mean Palestinian people are brutalized. And I know that conflating Hamas with the entire Palestinian people is as harmful as conflating right wing colonialism with being Jewish.
The only thing that would satisfy me is an end to this genocide and for Palestine to be free. At the same time (no matter how you want to paint me to feel better) I don’t want Israel destroyed nor do I believe that all Jewish people are warmongering settler colonizers or whatever you tell yourself. I’m as appalled by the sexual assaults Hamas members have committed as I am by the sexual assaults that Israeli soldiers have committed. I’m as appalled by the hostages that Israel has detained as I am by the ones Hamas is keeping. Do I get to criticize the fact that way more people have died unnecessarily as a response now?
What you don't understand (and what gives your selfishness away) is the fact there is a limit to acceptable civilian casualties. The US & UK people and governments have had to deal with local terrorism BUT what we didn't do was massacre towns or countries with such indiscriminate bombing killing so many children.
You don't even know WHO Hamas is, they just use the boogeyman label to justify killing every man and whoever else gets in the way
Oblivious
Again, highlight your selfishness (uk 7/7 us 9/11)
>Can you please share a single example of what you mean in regards to US and UK and how this was handled?
In the uk Their families were questioned without the need to bomb the towns they lived in.
There was even a war but the casualties of the first few months are dwarfed by Israels current death toll of mostly women and children
It wasn’t okay. I was at the protest against the invasion of Iraq. What he’s referring to is The Troubles, which also had devastating impacts on the civilians of the UK and Ireland, but with farrrr less casualties.
Now, if you want to talk about Iraq - over ten years 46k civilians died. It’s awful. We can agree on that - that is a DISGRACE. However in FOUR MONTHS 28k civilians (perhaps much less as the Hamas figures aren’t out) have been killed. Even by taking away the Hamas deaths, Israel are far ahead of the civilian death toll race.
Glad you asked. Well if you’ll look at his comment, you’ll see that he’s using the mirror example of the IRA who also engaged in geurilla combat (We could also use the example of the Ukrainians and Russians since the Ukrainians also use civilian infrastructure such as hospitals, schools and residential areas but that war isn’t over yet), but how it ended was we got peace and equality. We got an equal state, where we each received equal rights, all prisoners of war were freed, all those displaced were allowed return, there was to be no sectarian divide - everyone was to be equal. Furthermore, the state must be run by one member of a nationalist and one member of a unionist party. The state was also told that they would be entitled to a vote for reunification should the majority of the state decide they wish to unify with the RoI. This followed a period of sectarian violence, and open calls for genocide. Some of those who made bombs and called for genocide are still in power today.
So my answer? Instead of creating a new generation of Hamas II, create an equal society in a land that is neither Israel or Palestine, but a land that powershares between the Jews and Muslims. As they did in over here. “But they’d just genocide” isn’t really a cop out answer, considering there were open calls for genocide here and there were mass murders of populations that were Catholic and Protestant purely based on their religion.
E: But then again, you don’t need to know how to resolve this conflict to know what Israel is doing is an atrocity.
I never said it was OK, no one thinks it was but even that death toll is dwarfed by the current Israeli onslaught .... the IDF have killed more journalists in the last 3 months than Afghanistan, Iraq 1&2
More children killed by the IDF in the last three months than Afghanistan, Iraq 1&2
I just searched the terms “hamas” on this sub, and no, not a single one supporting them.
Not even the obvious bait troll accounts which im sure you forgot to do.
I think any country who so openly opposes peace and commits genocide should be criticized. Americans have been brainwashed enough to believe Israel needs their donations and American government support to fight “the terrorists”. Meanwhile Israel spends tens of millions on Super Bowl ads and their citizens film from BMWs proclaiming their right to someone else’s land.
No thank you. We can spot a bad guy. And we can certainly spot one that spends millions to try to change the narrative of “anti Jewish” hate into a civil rights issue. Including paying celebrities to come and tweet positive things about the country and deny the genocide.
This is the fatigue in full view. People have been presenting facts about what Israel is doing and are being called antisemites. At some point, you can’t be surprised when some folks just keep it brief (“Israel is a terrorist state”) and keep it pushing. But notice, no one is anti Jewish. There is a massive casm between trashing Israel and being anti Jewish. But, again, Israel is actively changing the narrative against that. They are literally influencing message boards and spaces like ig and Twitter with propaganda. See places like r/worldnews. It’s a massive propaganda farm that churns out some laughably bad information about “Hamas raped several several children. It’s not being reported. I know 2 of the kiddos 😩😩”. You look at their post history and they live in Kansas and post on r/conspiracy.
Israel signed the Genocide Convention, and now they're genociding while running SuperBowl ads painting themselves as the victim.
Running cover for genocide is shitty, reconsider your life bruh.
What's with the redditors who don't give a shit about the ever growing pile of corpses caused by the Israeli government? Why do you always scream "anTIseMItiSm" whenever Israel is called out for committing a fucking genocide? IDF kills countless innocent people and you think anyone who isn't fine with that hates Jewish people. Fuck you and your fake ass virtue signalling. Free Palestine, from the river to the goddamn sea.
I love how I never once mentioned Hamas, or Jewish people, but you very fucking intentionally twisted my meaning into that. No one is here supporting Hamas, or hating on Jewish people (because the Israeli government does not mean Jewish people you ignorant fucking knob). Israel doesn't care about Jewish lives, they care about colonizing all of Palestine and removing anyone who lives in the way of their manifest destiny. Israel knew the October 7 attacks were going to happen but stood by and did *nothing* just so they would have an excuse to dramatically increase their war efforts and kill Palestinians.
Please fucking explain to me how in the world a single word of what I said was antisemitism. You have no real argument. If you want someone to blame for Hamas, feel free to pin it on the state of Israel, as they themselves have admitted. They funded tens of millions of dollars towards Hamas to create a social and cultural divide between the Islamist movement and the progressive secular party. Multiple Israeli government officials admit to this. Hamas is not Palestine nor its people. Hamas can burn for all I fucking care. But it does not, nor will it ever, require the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent bystanders for Hamas to be destroyed.
No, please, I am begging you. Don't broadly gesture to my comment and tell me I'm being antisemitic with "well just look at it!" Tell me, how is any bit of what I said hateful towards Jewish people?
Are you illiterate, or are you choosing to not read...
They are committing a genocide, that most genuine jews don't agree with.
Just because Israel hides behind religion, doesn't mean I can't criticize them. Does being Jewish mean you can do whatever you want and cry anti-Semitism..,
Do you know that there is actual theory behind what is newsworthy? It’s something I studied in college. Novelty, locality, impact and timliness. Right now, Israel’s attack on Gaza hits the impact aspect, the timeliness aspect and as Israel decries itself as the “western state in the Middle East”, it also hits the locality aspect.
So when you’re wondering why people are more involved in a story with more timliness, impact and locality than other horrific stories; this is why. It’s not because it’s antisemetic, it’s down to the same reasons as why every other news story takes precedence.
It was so surreal. Fortunately he leaned way too hard ino the image of his dad and uncle that I'm sure most viewers weren't sure what it was all about.
He's gotten the majority of his money from Timothy Mellon, who is one of Trump's biggest donors unsurprisingly, but was also recruited to run by Trump's chief strategist.
It was literally an anti-jewish hate ad. It said nothing about Israel.
This speaks a lot about the community here that you can't tolerate an anti-hate ad.
I see why antisemitism in the black community continues to be a problem. Y’all see a stop Jewish hate ad and immediately blame Israel? Jew hate is out of control. And the Nazi comment is just ignorant and nasty.
Zionists really don't know how to sell Zionism to black people. Having black people sing jewish hymns and centering a speech writer next to no one knows is painfully awful propaganda.
JEWISH PEOPLE got a superbowl commercial. Not Israel. Y'all are starting to sound like fucking hicks and arent helping the anti-semite accusations. Y'all letting your support for palestine turn you into bigots ngl.
That being said, I dont recall there EVER being a BLM ad at the superbowl, so the fact conservatives want to yell keep politics out of sports and then immediately accept politics because ???, who even fucking knows why. Evangelical attachment to the holy land? Model minority biases? Idk
Well, you see, one group of people are black, the others aren’t. Any one of the people being told to shut up and play, are all people of color, and the ones that aren’t are simply informed about current affairs or whatever workable excuses are available
But Kapernick was blackballed for protesting against Black hate, now NFL is running stop Jewish hate commercials? Black folks walk so that others can run
Kind of crazy we give money and weapons to Israel, and they take those weapons to use on civilians, and use the money to make a super bowl commercial on why they should be allowed to do it.
There’s no black money willing to spend on a superbowl commercial for the community. The biggest issue going on for black people right now is why doesn’t Beyoncé have album of the year..
No shit I was at a dinner with a customer last week who, **immediately after** praising Toby Keith for how great of a musician he is, started critiquing Taylor Swift for not keeping her politics to herself.
Like, your mouth was still wet from sucking off Toby Keith bro, who is 10,000x more vocal about his politics.
Absolute morons. All of them.
The people telling players to just play and musicians to just sing are the same ones that get excited when Ted "P*do" Nugent, Scott Baio, Kid Rock and Kevin Sorbo make "valid" criticisms.
Well yeah, because they don't like when celebrities get involved with politics. Those four are hardly celebrities.
They're the only celebrities those idiots have. They think kid rock is more popular than Taylor Swift.
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2 favorite presidents are Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan but they're still out here saying "Keep celebrities out of politics."
The purpose of that stance is to infantilize the entire citizenry and to silence all of us. It’s patriarchal “The grownups are talking” bullshit, which has no place in a democracy. Everyone should have an opinion on politics, and speaking out about issues is for all of us, not just some selected and christened group of political daddies.
Man, I laugh every time when somebody brings up the conservative celebrity list. Imagine that being the best you could do.
I mean, look who they elevated to god status
The "no, not like that" crowd.
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And they'd be the first in line to vote for them if they ran for office.
You know it's bad when the NFL has to give airtime to a terrorist state like Israel.
Tryna do whatever they can to make it look like they’re the ones suffering daily.
Every accusation is a confession
A victim complex is a vital part of any genocide
Bu-bu-but Oct 7th!!!! Meanwhile ignoring Israel has murdered thousands more innocents than Hamas ever has
Even before Oct 7, Israel regularly kills Palestinians in the hundreds, but we’re supposed to believe this started only then
People were calling for war and total bloodshed back when the Oct 7th body count was 178 people, even though over 200 Palestinians were killed the year before.
Remember when they were saying 1200+ were killed by Hamas? And every month the number was cut in half.
These guys took millions of taxpayer dollars each year to run pro-war and promilitary campaigns before and during the Iraq War, but now you are surprised that they take blood money?
When the NFL is a military propaganda machine ran by billionaires this shouldn't be a surprise.
You know it’s bad if people can’t tell the difference between an antisemitism commercial and one about israel…
Was it an Israel ad? I thought it was a just a “stop Jewish hate” commercial? And can we talk about that “He gets us” ad? That organization is fucking terrible.
You mean the one where they made it seem like Jesus and everybody else has a foot fetish
HE WASHED FEET 👣
Would love to see fans of these commercials wash some immigrants feet like Jesus did Instead of putting up razor wire and throwing them in detention centers
I don't know much about He Gets Us. Wouldn't be surprised if they're terrible behind the scenes. But Jesus washing feet is a powerful image of serving the poor and less fortunate. Washing someone's feet involves lowering yourself to do dirty work, and so Jesus washing the feet of beggars and lepers reminds us to be humble -- no one should consider themselves "above" other people.
They get their funding from a lot of right wing Christian fundamentalists. Also I find something sus about an organization that spends what it costs to buy not one but two Superbowl ad spots instead of doing what Jesus would have more likely suggested, which is using that money to actually help the poor. They'd rather proselytize through expensive ad spots than through real action.
This is what sits with me after that. If they got all this money to help people with, why aren't they helping people? All this money for ads but nothing to build homeless shelters or offer free counseling to the people struggling IRL.
It's all about money and power and those things don't bring money and power.
It’s performative. The same people are the ones building razor wire on the Rio Grande and watching when migrants drown with their children.
And getting big mad when they can't simply open fire.
A powerful image made to make you forget those ad dollars could have been used to.. serve the poor and less fortunate.
There was a list on here the other day showing that a nontrivial portion of their money goes towards orgs who push for the eradication of anyone not a straight, white, right wing Christian.
Help People? Or spend $$$ on a Super Bowl Ad? White Side Supply Jesus is here!
Yo, that commercial was fucking hot
The casual antisemitism everywhere is incredibly disturbing. Stop Jewish Hate does not equal Israel support. Plenty of Jews do not support Israel’s actions.
These Christian Ads are funny af. If you have to pay millions of dollars to air an ad beggging people to become Christian, maybe the religion ain’t shit
It’s a 1 billion dollar ad campaign. For what, you might ask? That’s literally it. They spend money on ads. If they actually helped people with that money instead of doing ads, they’d actually make a difference. But you know the only thing they care about, and it sure as shit isn’t helping people
Those commercials always gave me ultra weird vibes. Like a cult or something. The language and visuals and everything feels off.
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Boy do I hate turning what’s happening in Gaza into a culture war. Considering culture wars over here are always so fucking stupid, getting the genocide mixed in cheapens it and makes it feel like another dumb left/right divide when it should be a humanity/inhumanity divide. But I digress.
Nah you cookin. Keep goin.
Cooking for real
Lol they really tried to give it the Civil Rights paint job too, huh
They even got MLK’s speech writer. You know they were targeting black viewers with that, black Americans are largely the only big voting bloc who isn’t falling for their bullshit
And I hope thus subreddit keeps fighting for the truth. So many other subreddits have sold out and their moderators block any pro Palestinian views.
I want to seem hopeful, but money always talks. Look at how the big subs, r/picture, r/news were all pro-ceasefire and antiwar until they slowly shifted to being mouthpieces for Netenyahu. They’re going to target this sub as well eventually
Shills have already tried to target this sub but they got shut down hard.
Look at the dark Brandon thread on the front page. The shills are out in full force there.
This sub has people that think the star of David is the flag of israel. Yall can support whatever you want on the war as is your right but "fighting for the truth" is laughable considering how ignorant of the entire situation most people are here
Most people in all the US are ignorant of the situation. But regardless of people knowing flags, they can see the clear colonialism attempts against the Palestinians. Which is also more than what most Americans can see.
How can they see shit lol look at the post itself. They took an antisemitism ad as a commercial promoting Israel. There's no thinking involved, just yelling their voices loud and proud while having no knowledge about what's going on
What’s wrong with MLK’s speech writer condemning hate against Jewish people?
Martin Luther King was fairly pro Jew and Zionism. Even if you don’t believe that his “Letter to my Anti-Zionist Friend” is real, he definitely had other statements that supported Israel.
He wouldn’t be supporting the mass murder of Palestinians. He makes his stance against war and the killing of innocent people pretty clear in Beyond Vietnam. His daughter also recently checked Amy Schmuer for using her dad this way last fall
The commercial was stop jewish hate, not pro isreal you fucking morons
What does this comment have to do with what the person above you said?
Still that was in the sixties. What Israel was doing might not have been widely known back then and of course he died long before all the transgressions that have occurred in the past fifty-odd years.
He was alive when the Nakba and 6 day war happened which are the cornerstones of the primary wedge issues between Israel and Palestine during peace talks (right of return, and 1967 borders). I agree that his opinion may have changed based on what has happened. The nature of the conflict has changed since then with most of the violence done by both sides being directed at civilians.
Considering a synagogue gets targeted or threatened every fucking holiday. Yeah... Antisemitism is still a thing. Attacks against Jews are absolutely on the rise. Fuck Israel, but this shit wasn't an Israeli ad. It's a fact that a lot of Jews are not about Israel's and Netanyahu's bullshit. We need to be fucking better about not mixing the two up.
Using the word Nazi in the tweet really undermines the message.
I didn’t see the ad, but to say a message “Stop Jewish hate” is a Nazi message is pretty rich. If it’s pro-Israel, okay, that’s gross, but think about the words you use. And really, can Jewish people not stand up against anti-semitism without it being conflated with supporting Israel?
It was an ad about a swastika being drawn on an American Jewish family home. And words saying No Jews. Neighbor helps paint it while the mom and kid are away. It had nothing to do with Israel. And everything to do with antisemitism. If people really are upset about a swastika being covered up, maybe they were the ones the commercial was directed at.
I haven't seen a ton of tv commercials in the last few years because I mostly watch streaming apps. It felt like a fever dream to me. Like why does Jesus have commercials? Also I can't imagine anyone making a "stop black hate" commercial and airing it over the super bowl. I'll be the first to admit that I know basically nothing about the Israel/Palestine conflict and this may be related to discourse around that but it was really jarring
Just think about the money it costs to air that and struggling citizens in countries with austerity, inflation, recession are giving Israel "AID" when Israel has over 200 billion surplus
I just wanna say, it was crazy that an anti Jewish Hate commercial was one of the earliest segments during the super bowl.. in the middle of Black History Month
Cuz they are backed by a state with the money and the support of half the US. Black people have neither. I don’t even think 1/4 of the us population really fucks with us like that.
> Cuz they are backed by a state with the money and the support of half the US. The white elderly shitforbrains half. Unfortunately, that's also the half with like 90+% of all the money.
Interesting how the "All Lives Matter" crowd didn't instantly come out saying "Stop All Hate!"
The commercial literally said stop all hate. You’re just ignorant
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What’s the point of this? You don’t think Jews get hate?
Literally right when they started bombing Rafah.
The Jews of the world did what ?!?!? You do understand a Jewish antisemtism commercial is not equal to a pro Israel commercial right ?!?!?
The commercial was disingenuous though. Robert Kraft, the man that funded the commercial, has deep ties to AIPAC and other projects funding Israel. He's also an owner of the Patriots NFL team. Be for real if you don't see how they position Judaism as a shield for Zionist backed destruction of Palestine. Weaponizing Judaism when not all Jewish people support what's going on is awful.
So he has ties so automatically it’s pro Israel ?!? What logic is that?!? Hate crimes against Jews are a serious issue going back decades. This video had nothing to do with Israel period. Stop changing what the commercial was about. It’s pretty terrible that Jews get more hate crimes commited against them than all other religions combined in america and rising …. And your upset that a commercial brought attention to that? Do you yell all live matter during BLM protests ?
The commercial was about anti-semitism and didn’t mention Israel once. A lot of people self reporting in these comments.
What Israel commercial?
There was a commercial calling out the spike in hate crimes in the US against Jewish Americans last year. Ended with “Stop Jewish/All hate”
How is that an “Israel Commercial”?
Please stop thinking, this is the internet, we’re here to be angry
It was paid for by [Robert Kraft.](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/robert-kraft-super-bowl-commercial/) > The New England Patriots’ 81-year-old owner, Robert Kraft, writes seven-digit checks to the right-wing Israeli lobbying machine AIPAC, but his personal, political, and financial ties to Israel run deeper than the occasional donation. The multibillionaire married his late wife, Myra, in Israel in 1963 when Kraft, then 22, was older than the nation itself. Together they set up numerous business, athletic, and charitable ties to Israel, a record of which is proudly proclaimed on the Kraft company website. In particular, the Kraft Group boasts of its “Touchdown in Israel” program, where NFL players are given free, highly organized vacations to see “the holy land” and come back to spread the word about “the only democracy in the Middle East.” (Not every NFL player has chosen to take part.) Kraft also attends fundraisers for the Israel Defense Forces, currently—and in open view of the world—committing war crimes in Gaza. >Now, as Israel wages war against the civilians of Gaza—more than 25,000 Palestinian have been killed with at least 10,000 of them children—Kraft is again flexing his financial and political muscles in order to defend the indefensible. His Foundation to Combat Antisemitism (FCAS) will be spending an estimated $7 million to buy a Super Bowl ad titled “Stop Jewish Hate” that will be seen by well over 100 million people. **Under Kraft’s direction, the ad’s goal is to create a propaganda campaign to counter the reports and images from Gaza that young people are consuming on social media. As Kraft said on CNN in December, “Fifty percent of what’s being spread is lies and not accurate, and young people unfortunately are believing.”** >**This is Kraft enacting the mission of FCAS: fostering disinformation. He is far from subtle: A Palestinian flag becomes a “Hamas flag,” and people like the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets of Washington, D.C., last month to call for a cease-fire and end the violence are expressions of the “rise in antisemitism.”** Without a sense of irony or the horrors happening on the ground in Gaza, Kraft says he is giving $100 million of his own money to FCAS, because “hate leads to violence .” >Let’s be clear: What Kraft is doing politically and what he will be using the Super Bowl as a platform to do is dangerous. He appears to think any criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic. **For Kraft, it is Jews like myself, rabbis, and Holocaust survivors calling for a cease-fire and a Free Palestine that are part of the problem. Kraft seems to think that opposition to Israel, the IDF, and the AIPAC agenda is antisemitism.**
Thats the only commercial I saw and was confused by how it’s “an Israel commercial.” You can support Jewish people and not be for the Israeli Government.
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Anti-Israel is not anti-semitism. I will keep saying it till y’all hear it
The ad wasn’t about Israel, it was about anti-semitism. Looks like you are the one conflating the two
But apparently the ad was an ad against anti-semitism and calling out antisemitic hate crimes in the US.
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Why did you assume they support Hamas just because they don’t support Israel, seems as though your balaclava slipped there a little bit.
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Because only one side is disproportionately bombing and starving people. And the only response seems to be “well that’s war” or it actually Hamas’ fault that we just bombed this hospital and killed these journalists. And yes I care about other atrocities. Bold/predictable of you to assume that people cant hold more than one idea or only care about one thing bc we are responding to a post about Israel
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I’ve heard all of this before. I still don’t want kids and journalists and innocent men and women to die. I also don’t want innocent Israeli people to die. Just because I am critical of right wing warmongering colonialists doesn’t mean I don’t understand these other particular nuances which still don’t justify the death toll
Do you ever wonder how Israel has killed more civilians in the Israel Hamas war than Russia has in the invasion despite Ukraine also using hospitals, residential areas and schools as military bases?
I fucking hate the disproportionality argument, which insinuates that if hamas was more successful in killing Jews or smth then all you anti-Semites would be less critical of israel
What argument would be acceptable for you? You are speaking about hypothetical people Hamas would kill while Israel actually goes above and beyond in its response to Hamas and actual people die. We are talking about actual deaths not debate club arguments. Grow up
I’m not an anti semite lol. I don’t want anyone to kill anyone. Twist it around and call people names all you want.
The thing that confuses me whenever I see this is what do you think the neutral state here is? Hamas or some organization by another name has been calling for the total extermination of Jews for decades. Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel and killing of all Jews. The "Israel stop" position just means that Hamas returns to firing rockets, and if given the chance, suicide bombers again. History has shown this 5-7 different times already. Not that this means what I think what Israel is doing is right but I honestly wonder what people want to happen. How do deal with a neighbor who's top political goal is the death of all of your people? What's the move there?
I don’t know that I, an artist and art professor, have the solution that policy makers/wonks have fumbled for so long. But I know that Israel’s more right wing colonialist impulses mean Palestinian people are brutalized. And I know that conflating Hamas with the entire Palestinian people is as harmful as conflating right wing colonialism with being Jewish.
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The only thing that would satisfy me is an end to this genocide and for Palestine to be free. At the same time (no matter how you want to paint me to feel better) I don’t want Israel destroyed nor do I believe that all Jewish people are warmongering settler colonizers or whatever you tell yourself. I’m as appalled by the sexual assaults Hamas members have committed as I am by the sexual assaults that Israeli soldiers have committed. I’m as appalled by the hostages that Israel has detained as I am by the ones Hamas is keeping. Do I get to criticize the fact that way more people have died unnecessarily as a response now?
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What you don't understand (and what gives your selfishness away) is the fact there is a limit to acceptable civilian casualties. The US & UK people and governments have had to deal with local terrorism BUT what we didn't do was massacre towns or countries with such indiscriminate bombing killing so many children. You don't even know WHO Hamas is, they just use the boogeyman label to justify killing every man and whoever else gets in the way Oblivious
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Again, highlight your selfishness (uk 7/7 us 9/11) >Can you please share a single example of what you mean in regards to US and UK and how this was handled? In the uk Their families were questioned without the need to bomb the towns they lived in. There was even a war but the casualties of the first few months are dwarfed by Israels current death toll of mostly women and children
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It wasn’t okay. I was at the protest against the invasion of Iraq. What he’s referring to is The Troubles, which also had devastating impacts on the civilians of the UK and Ireland, but with farrrr less casualties. Now, if you want to talk about Iraq - over ten years 46k civilians died. It’s awful. We can agree on that - that is a DISGRACE. However in FOUR MONTHS 28k civilians (perhaps much less as the Hamas figures aren’t out) have been killed. Even by taking away the Hamas deaths, Israel are far ahead of the civilian death toll race.
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Glad you asked. Well if you’ll look at his comment, you’ll see that he’s using the mirror example of the IRA who also engaged in geurilla combat (We could also use the example of the Ukrainians and Russians since the Ukrainians also use civilian infrastructure such as hospitals, schools and residential areas but that war isn’t over yet), but how it ended was we got peace and equality. We got an equal state, where we each received equal rights, all prisoners of war were freed, all those displaced were allowed return, there was to be no sectarian divide - everyone was to be equal. Furthermore, the state must be run by one member of a nationalist and one member of a unionist party. The state was also told that they would be entitled to a vote for reunification should the majority of the state decide they wish to unify with the RoI. This followed a period of sectarian violence, and open calls for genocide. Some of those who made bombs and called for genocide are still in power today. So my answer? Instead of creating a new generation of Hamas II, create an equal society in a land that is neither Israel or Palestine, but a land that powershares between the Jews and Muslims. As they did in over here. “But they’d just genocide” isn’t really a cop out answer, considering there were open calls for genocide here and there were mass murders of populations that were Catholic and Protestant purely based on their religion. E: But then again, you don’t need to know how to resolve this conflict to know what Israel is doing is an atrocity.
I never said it was OK, no one thinks it was but even that death toll is dwarfed by the current Israeli onslaught .... the IDF have killed more journalists in the last 3 months than Afghanistan, Iraq 1&2 More children killed by the IDF in the last three months than Afghanistan, Iraq 1&2
Lol any criticism of Israel and you get called antisemitic. Gotta love it.
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who do you see cheering on hamas here? Work on your talking points chief, that shit isn’t hitting like it was
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I just searched the terms “hamas” on this sub, and no, not a single one supporting them. Not even the obvious bait troll accounts which im sure you forgot to do.
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I can’t find any on this sub either. Enlighten us. Show us the widespread Hamas support on r/BlackPeopleTwitter
I think any country who so openly opposes peace and commits genocide should be criticized. Americans have been brainwashed enough to believe Israel needs their donations and American government support to fight “the terrorists”. Meanwhile Israel spends tens of millions on Super Bowl ads and their citizens film from BMWs proclaiming their right to someone else’s land. No thank you. We can spot a bad guy. And we can certainly spot one that spends millions to try to change the narrative of “anti Jewish” hate into a civil rights issue. Including paying celebrities to come and tweet positive things about the country and deny the genocide.
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This is the fatigue in full view. People have been presenting facts about what Israel is doing and are being called antisemites. At some point, you can’t be surprised when some folks just keep it brief (“Israel is a terrorist state”) and keep it pushing. But notice, no one is anti Jewish. There is a massive casm between trashing Israel and being anti Jewish. But, again, Israel is actively changing the narrative against that. They are literally influencing message boards and spaces like ig and Twitter with propaganda. See places like r/worldnews. It’s a massive propaganda farm that churns out some laughably bad information about “Hamas raped several several children. It’s not being reported. I know 2 of the kiddos 😩😩”. You look at their post history and they live in Kansas and post on r/conspiracy.
Israel signed the Genocide Convention, and now they're genociding while running SuperBowl ads painting themselves as the victim. Running cover for genocide is shitty, reconsider your life bruh.
No, it’s calling a stopjewishhate ad pro Israel and pro Nazi that’s antisemetic. You just too dumb or too ignorant to understand?
What's with the redditors who don't give a shit about the ever growing pile of corpses caused by the Israeli government? Why do you always scream "anTIseMItiSm" whenever Israel is called out for committing a fucking genocide? IDF kills countless innocent people and you think anyone who isn't fine with that hates Jewish people. Fuck you and your fake ass virtue signalling. Free Palestine, from the river to the goddamn sea.
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I love how I never once mentioned Hamas, or Jewish people, but you very fucking intentionally twisted my meaning into that. No one is here supporting Hamas, or hating on Jewish people (because the Israeli government does not mean Jewish people you ignorant fucking knob). Israel doesn't care about Jewish lives, they care about colonizing all of Palestine and removing anyone who lives in the way of their manifest destiny. Israel knew the October 7 attacks were going to happen but stood by and did *nothing* just so they would have an excuse to dramatically increase their war efforts and kill Palestinians.
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Please fucking explain to me how in the world a single word of what I said was antisemitism. You have no real argument. If you want someone to blame for Hamas, feel free to pin it on the state of Israel, as they themselves have admitted. They funded tens of millions of dollars towards Hamas to create a social and cultural divide between the Islamist movement and the progressive secular party. Multiple Israeli government officials admit to this. Hamas is not Palestine nor its people. Hamas can burn for all I fucking care. But it does not, nor will it ever, require the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent bystanders for Hamas to be destroyed.
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No, please, I am begging you. Don't broadly gesture to my comment and tell me I'm being antisemitic with "well just look at it!" Tell me, how is any bit of what I said hateful towards Jewish people?
Criticizing a genocide and apartheid state that calls itself "Jewish" while contradicting the Torah isn't anti-Semitic
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Are you illiterate, or are you choosing to not read... They are committing a genocide, that most genuine jews don't agree with. Just because Israel hides behind religion, doesn't mean I can't criticize them. Does being Jewish mean you can do whatever you want and cry anti-Semitism..,
Do you know that there is actual theory behind what is newsworthy? It’s something I studied in college. Novelty, locality, impact and timliness. Right now, Israel’s attack on Gaza hits the impact aspect, the timeliness aspect and as Israel decries itself as the “western state in the Middle East”, it also hits the locality aspect. So when you’re wondering why people are more involved in a story with more timliness, impact and locality than other horrific stories; this is why. It’s not because it’s antisemetic, it’s down to the same reasons as why every other news story takes precedence.
The sub is being brigades and has been some the October 7th massacre.
Also got an RFK Jr. Ad and a bunch of he gets us ads
That RFK Jr ad was wild af. And I was like “this mf got Super Bowl ad money for that shit? What??”
It was so surreal. Fortunately he leaned way too hard ino the image of his dad and uncle that I'm sure most viewers weren't sure what it was all about.
He's gotten the majority of his money from Timothy Mellon, who is one of Trump's biggest donors unsurprisingly, but was also recruited to run by Trump's chief strategist.
Ummm, it was antisemitism not Israel and what about 30 JesUS foot fetish commercials.
It was literally an anti-jewish hate ad. It said nothing about Israel. This speaks a lot about the community here that you can't tolerate an anti-hate ad.
I see why antisemitism in the black community continues to be a problem. Y’all see a stop Jewish hate ad and immediately blame Israel? Jew hate is out of control. And the Nazi comment is just ignorant and nasty.
Zionists really don't know how to sell Zionism to black people. Having black people sing jewish hymns and centering a speech writer next to no one knows is painfully awful propaganda.
black folk recognize European colonialism more than anyone. We see through their shit
MF Jesus had a commercial in the Super Bowl. That’s one dude who does not need publicity, pay your fuckin taxes.
The ad wasn't even about Israel and the fact that everyone is attacking it kinda proving the point...
JEWISH PEOPLE got a superbowl commercial. Not Israel. Y'all are starting to sound like fucking hicks and arent helping the anti-semite accusations. Y'all letting your support for palestine turn you into bigots ngl. That being said, I dont recall there EVER being a BLM ad at the superbowl, so the fact conservatives want to yell keep politics out of sports and then immediately accept politics because ???, who even fucking knows why. Evangelical attachment to the holy land? Model minority biases? Idk
Well, you see, one group of people are black, the others aren’t. Any one of the people being told to shut up and play, are all people of color, and the ones that aren’t are simply informed about current affairs or whatever workable excuses are available
But Kapernick was blackballed for protesting against Black hate, now NFL is running stop Jewish hate commercials? Black folks walk so that others can run
Kind of crazy we give money and weapons to Israel, and they take those weapons to use on civilians, and use the money to make a super bowl commercial on why they should be allowed to do it.
What commercial did Israel make?
There’s no black money willing to spend on a superbowl commercial for the community. The biggest issue going on for black people right now is why doesn’t Beyoncé have album of the year..
One set of rules for you and another for me, corruption at its most obvious.
No shit I was at a dinner with a customer last week who, **immediately after** praising Toby Keith for how great of a musician he is, started critiquing Taylor Swift for not keeping her politics to herself. Like, your mouth was still wet from sucking off Toby Keith bro, who is 10,000x more vocal about his politics. Absolute morons. All of them.
Not only that but they started by invoking the soul of MLK
A lot of bud light in them stands too… must’ve had a SOD on it.
It is all about the narrative.
Man I thought I saw that alone I almost forgot the commercial happened until this post.
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Same lool I was not expecting it to end like that 😂
