Yup bang on the money...... oorrrrrrr stand out from the crowd a little.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307250057972?atmobcid=soc3
R32 for just under 5k. Mapped GTi would outpace it BUT have you ever heard those naturally aspirated vr6 engines? Ohhhh smiles per mile winner
My previous car was a 2008 Bmw 130i. 3.0 litre straight 6 that produces about 270bhp. Pretty quick and sounded lovely. Bit of a sleeper too as most people suspected it to be a 118/120d etc.
Not sure what insurance will be like at your age. Worth a quote though. I sold mine for Ā£5.5k but there are plenty around the Ā£4K mark. Very reliable motors too!
Would have been a good suggestion five years ago but I don't think you can get one for 4k now, at least not one that isn't falling apart.
I'd look into a Z4 with the same engine.
Living crisis has meant thereās actually not that much demand for big engine, not particularly economical cars.
Iām still on the 130i Facebook page. See plenty in the Ā£4-5k region that are in good nick, owned by enthusiasts!
Maybe they've gone down now I haven't been looking at prices very recently. I did nearly buy one about 6 years ago when I got my previous car and you could find decent examples for as little as like Ā£3500, a good one around 5k (bought a Diesel instead and regretted it almost immediately!). Then about a year and a half ago when I was in the market again there were only a handful for sale nationwide, 4k would only get you a dented auto with well over 120k miles, a manual with good body work and reasonable mileage was listed at more like 8k. I distinctly remember the prices because they were listed at roughly the same as the more recent 135/335i's which I thought was frankly ridiculous and that's why I didn't get one.
Get a MX5, lots of fun under the speed limit.
Youāre not going to get anything notable which āpullsā properly for Ā£4k but you can get a decent light little sports car which will be great fun to chuck around.
Mx5 is always the answer. For 4k you can get a half decent NC with a 2.0 engine, theyāre super light cars so they move quickly enough, and youāll learn so much about rear wheel drive dynamics.
I can set a laptime quicker than an M3 around something like blyton park on cornering and braking alone. Straight line speed is a very poor measure of a car.
If you do just wanna go fast in a straight line, find a bmw 3.0 turbo diesel and remap it. Itāll feel like a muscle car in most day to day situations
Well it's faster and handles better than an Mx5, though the Mx5 at least is cheap, the Boxster is a ripoff for what it is. Not cheap to maintain either, and a royal pain in the ass to work on.
A 986 really really doesnāt handle better than an mx5ās physics and weight take car of that. Iāve had both (welll I had a 987) and I track both. I choose to track the mx5 because it is more engaging, is more fun, and has better front end.
Reminder that the mx5 has double wishbone front suspension, something Porsche charge Ā£180k for in a gt3 RS these days!
you'd be surprised, its a very tight track, these big cars simply don't work there. Somewhere like oulton or donington fair enough, but I've driven blyton in an F80 M3, and its horrendous. It's like trying to drive a boat around a bathtub
I've driven Blyton a few times , only in my e30 but I'm still pretty sure I could put any iteration m3 round it quicker than any mx5. It's only a few corners and you would just lose it on that straight with the kink on it.
Itās not about losing the corner itās the fact that threading a 1.4-1.7 ton car around the bends just canāt be donāt quickly. The ump, wiggler, bunga bunga, will all have slower cornering speeds than you can do in a smaller lighter car.
Yeah I'm aware of that. I still don't think it would be quicker. They're just too slow and yeah they handle okay but having driven there a few times I just can't see it.
An elderly bmw has to be the worst advice ever. Especially the diesels. They are famous for turbo issues, inlet butterfly valve issues, engine ecu issues, electrical harness issues, small ends, and lots lots more.
Yeah but OP just wants something that pulls. Iād rather OP did something sensible and bought a fun reliable little car and enjoyed it. But if you want to haul, a 3.0 bmw diesel and a remap would do the trick.
Since when is a renaultsport Clio let alone a swift sport a 'Chav' car. Ford's definitely but I can't think of the last time I saw a renaultsport being chavved and I've hardly ever even seen a swift sport being driven hard other than the rent 4 ring cars.
They wanted a cheap quick car, you can be lucky and get a good one, or a bit of a project, and right now is the best time to get them, as the good ones are climbing in value, Clio 172/182s are getting hard to find cheap, as they've been crashed, or ruined by being turned in to track toys.
Probably nothing that will pull. I went the other way round. I've been riding a VFR800 for years and ended up getting an MX5 for fun. Nothing really 'pulls' like a bike unless you have 100k to spend on a sub 3 second car. More fun to be had in ragging it and good handling.
at your age, nothing will pull.. unless you're willing to pay the 3-6k everyone is complaining..
what you want is something very low, 1-1.2 litre engine or less.. you'll get the feeling of speed without the issue of insurance cars that come to mind are a classic mini or a smart roadster.
You're 21 so I'm assuming A2 but possibly DAS? If you're getting a bike not many cars are going to feel fast, especially under 4k. Get either something with good handling like mx5/MR2 or get something reliable like a Civic.
If you're getting the unrestricted license, what bike ya getting? I've just got my sv650 on my A2 and really need to book my full license asap
That's cool dude, how you finding it, nearly died yet or nah haha? Tbh i haven't even fully looked into all the laws on what you can ride after MOD 2 n stuff but was looking at maybe Honda cbr650 but not set on anything in particular at the moment. Its crazy what power you can get for 4k with a bike compared to a car tho. And yeah book it soon as possible cause waiting times are ridiculous.
Love it mate, nothing better that riding bikes even as a commuter. Rode in 2018/19 a lot and took a break so done my near death scenarios then ahaha
Just focusing on smooth safe riding now getting back into it but my bike was 2.3k and does 0-60 in 4s, madness fast. Not get anywhere close in a 4k car.
If you're on A2 check out a2bikea.co.uk that's a really good website on what you can ride, basically anything under 92(?) Hp can be restricted down the sv650/er6n and er6f now ninja 650 are goated starter bikes, plenty of power but not too much to be ridiculous as you learn
Yeah its sick, my mate gave me a go on his 125cc in a Tesco parking lot and the next day i booked my CBT and theory lol. Will have a look at that site and check those bikes out cheers.
One of my mates is older but a new driver, and some of the cars that came back with surprisingly cheap insurance for them (even in Birmingham...) were Citroƫn DS3 THP, Mini Cooper S, RS Clio, RS Megane 225/230, EP3 and FN2 Civic Type R.
- Volvo C30 T5 fast with lots of modding potential and not many on the road so insurance might be cheaper than the average hot hatch.
Or an Astra 1.6t. 200bhp out the box and can be remapped. not really considered a sports car so might fly under the radar with insurance
Or go leftfield and get an old Volvo 5 cylinder turbo. The old man image and safety features tend to make them a little cheaper to insure, and they shift!
MG TF, MX5, MR2 as well as the usual assorted hot hatches. They aren't as fun as the roadsters though.
Get the best mark 5 golf GTI you can find, and do a stage 1 tune.
Or a MK2 Leon cupra. They make a lot more power. I've had both and would take the Leon every time. The k04 turbo makes a huge difference
Yup bang on the money...... oorrrrrrr stand out from the crowd a little. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307250057972?atmobcid=soc3 R32 for just under 5k. Mapped GTi would outpace it BUT have you ever heard those naturally aspirated vr6 engines? Ohhhh smiles per mile winner
Sounds like a wookie farting, in a good way. Great price on that car. I had a Corrado vr6, great car and beautiful engine but too nose heavy.
Hahahaha yeah that's quite accurate š I went Bora vr6 and it was nose heavy too but the 4wd I think helped make it feel a little more balanced
My previous car was a 2008 Bmw 130i. 3.0 litre straight 6 that produces about 270bhp. Pretty quick and sounded lovely. Bit of a sleeper too as most people suspected it to be a 118/120d etc. Not sure what insurance will be like at your age. Worth a quote though. I sold mine for Ā£5.5k but there are plenty around the Ā£4K mark. Very reliable motors too!
Would have been a good suggestion five years ago but I don't think you can get one for 4k now, at least not one that isn't falling apart. I'd look into a Z4 with the same engine.
Living crisis has meant thereās actually not that much demand for big engine, not particularly economical cars. Iām still on the 130i Facebook page. See plenty in the Ā£4-5k region that are in good nick, owned by enthusiasts!
Maybe they've gone down now I haven't been looking at prices very recently. I did nearly buy one about 6 years ago when I got my previous car and you could find decent examples for as little as like Ā£3500, a good one around 5k (bought a Diesel instead and regretted it almost immediately!). Then about a year and a half ago when I was in the market again there were only a handful for sale nationwide, 4k would only get you a dented auto with well over 120k miles, a manual with good body work and reasonable mileage was listed at more like 8k. I distinctly remember the prices because they were listed at roughly the same as the more recent 135/335i's which I thought was frankly ridiculous and that's why I didn't get one.
Easily get a convertible Saab 9-3 aero for less and pay for a stage 1 remap. That's 250 bhp for the 2 litre or 300bhp for the 2.8v6.
Get a MX5, lots of fun under the speed limit. Youāre not going to get anything notable which āpullsā properly for Ā£4k but you can get a decent light little sports car which will be great fun to chuck around.
Mx5 is always the answer. For 4k you can get a half decent NC with a 2.0 engine, theyāre super light cars so they move quickly enough, and youāll learn so much about rear wheel drive dynamics. I can set a laptime quicker than an M3 around something like blyton park on cornering and braking alone. Straight line speed is a very poor measure of a car. If you do just wanna go fast in a straight line, find a bmw 3.0 turbo diesel and remap it. Itāll feel like a muscle car in most day to day situations
MX5s are just not quick. Even the 2l is an 8 seconds to 60 car. They handle OK but not even that great without mods.
Yeah but letās be fair a 986 base boxster isnāt exactly quick, and is also likely to handle like a bag of crap without mods lol
Well it's faster and handles better than an Mx5, though the Mx5 at least is cheap, the Boxster is a ripoff for what it is. Not cheap to maintain either, and a royal pain in the ass to work on.
A 986 really really doesnāt handle better than an mx5ās physics and weight take car of that. Iāve had both (welll I had a 987) and I track both. I choose to track the mx5 because it is more engaging, is more fun, and has better front end. Reminder that the mx5 has double wishbone front suspension, something Porsche charge Ā£180k for in a gt3 RS these days!
Who's driving the m3?? There's no way a competent driver would be slower around blyton in m3 than a 2.0 NC. It's not happening
you'd be surprised, its a very tight track, these big cars simply don't work there. Somewhere like oulton or donington fair enough, but I've driven blyton in an F80 M3, and its horrendous. It's like trying to drive a boat around a bathtub
I've driven Blyton a few times , only in my e30 but I'm still pretty sure I could put any iteration m3 round it quicker than any mx5. It's only a few corners and you would just lose it on that straight with the kink on it.
Itās not about losing the corner itās the fact that threading a 1.4-1.7 ton car around the bends just canāt be donāt quickly. The ump, wiggler, bunga bunga, will all have slower cornering speeds than you can do in a smaller lighter car.
Yeah I'm aware of that. I still don't think it would be quicker. They're just too slow and yeah they handle okay but having driven there a few times I just can't see it.
Pretty much any scrappy old diesel BMW will pull for as long as its turbo lasts, especially so with a remap. Insurance on the other hand...
An elderly bmw has to be the worst advice ever. Especially the diesels. They are famous for turbo issues, inlet butterfly valve issues, engine ecu issues, electrical harness issues, small ends, and lots lots more.
Yeah but OP just wants something that pulls. Iād rather OP did something sensible and bought a fun reliable little car and enjoyed it. But if you want to haul, a 3.0 bmw diesel and a remap would do the trick.
RS Clios, Swift Sport, older Fiesta STs.
all the chav cars that have obviously been horrendously well looked after and serviced meticulously.
Since when is a renaultsport Clio let alone a swift sport a 'Chav' car. Ford's definitely but I can't think of the last time I saw a renaultsport being chavved and I've hardly ever even seen a swift sport being driven hard other than the rent 4 ring cars.
They wanted a cheap quick car, you can be lucky and get a good one, or a bit of a project, and right now is the best time to get them, as the good ones are climbing in value, Clio 172/182s are getting hard to find cheap, as they've been crashed, or ruined by being turned in to track toys.
Old golf gti slap on a stage 1 tune and ur off.. be careful though will be old car
Probably nothing that will pull. I went the other way round. I've been riding a VFR800 for years and ended up getting an MX5 for fun. Nothing really 'pulls' like a bike unless you have 100k to spend on a sub 3 second car. More fun to be had in ragging it and good handling.
Ep3 type r
I would say fuck all really thatās not ready for scrapping. That price bracket youāre looking for an up or i10 of some shit
I bought an MX5 for Ā£4k and it was pretty tidy.
He wants power though not an all rounder
at your age, nothing will pull.. unless you're willing to pay the 3-6k everyone is complaining.. what you want is something very low, 1-1.2 litre engine or less.. you'll get the feeling of speed without the issue of insurance cars that come to mind are a classic mini or a smart roadster.
I have a 1.8l mazda MX5 which does 0-60 in about 8.5 seconds and i'm only paying Ā£1400 a year and i was 19 when i started the policy.
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You're 21 so I'm assuming A2 but possibly DAS? If you're getting a bike not many cars are going to feel fast, especially under 4k. Get either something with good handling like mx5/MR2 or get something reliable like a Civic. If you're getting the unrestricted license, what bike ya getting? I've just got my sv650 on my A2 and really need to book my full license asap
That's cool dude, how you finding it, nearly died yet or nah haha? Tbh i haven't even fully looked into all the laws on what you can ride after MOD 2 n stuff but was looking at maybe Honda cbr650 but not set on anything in particular at the moment. Its crazy what power you can get for 4k with a bike compared to a car tho. And yeah book it soon as possible cause waiting times are ridiculous.
Love it mate, nothing better that riding bikes even as a commuter. Rode in 2018/19 a lot and took a break so done my near death scenarios then ahaha Just focusing on smooth safe riding now getting back into it but my bike was 2.3k and does 0-60 in 4s, madness fast. Not get anywhere close in a 4k car. If you're on A2 check out a2bikea.co.uk that's a really good website on what you can ride, basically anything under 92(?) Hp can be restricted down the sv650/er6n and er6f now ninja 650 are goated starter bikes, plenty of power but not too much to be ridiculous as you learn
Yeah its sick, my mate gave me a go on his 125cc in a Tesco parking lot and the next day i booked my CBT and theory lol. Will have a look at that site and check those bikes out cheers.
TT, Z4, slk, mini cooper s, 350z, focus st,
One of my mates is older but a new driver, and some of the cars that came back with surprisingly cheap insurance for them (even in Birmingham...) were Citroƫn DS3 THP, Mini Cooper S, RS Clio, RS Megane 225/230, EP3 and FN2 Civic Type R.
Lexus IS200 with a turbo conversion
- Volvo C30 T5 fast with lots of modding potential and not many on the road so insurance might be cheaper than the average hot hatch. Or an Astra 1.6t. 200bhp out the box and can be remapped. not really considered a sports car so might fly under the radar with insurance
Bicycle and go downhill
Only the brave/ Alfa clover leaf
Or go leftfield and get an old Volvo 5 cylinder turbo. The old man image and safety features tend to make them a little cheaper to insure, and they shift!
2.8 Z3
Civic Type R or an MX5 and an eBay turbo kit
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Yeah true you do have to sort of "enquire" about mods like that before committing haha
Mazda 3 or 6 MPS. The 6 has AWD and about 250hp. Cheap as fuck because the tax is expensive.
Bmw e39 540i, old man car so cheap to insure but 4.4 v8 so pulls for days
Any VAG with a 1.8t
Cl 500
Astra h with b204 conversion , goes like a stabbed rat pal