Well yeah, but it was a political marriage. It's clear by how he acted Odysseus was just doing what Schneizel told him to do. And in the grand scheme of the world it's not a bad way to settle things with the Chinese federation. You tie each party together via marriage, and the resulting children have power in both places. Odysseus was obviously going to be the Emperor eventually given how old he is, and Tianzi was the Chinese federation's empress. It's a logical to marry them given the situation and power both would have. I highly doubt he was going to consummate the marriage until she was of age too. There's literally no evidence for that within the series. This was just a political set up in the end.
Political marriages like this happened a lot historically in real life with royals and nobles. Even then the marriage was not consummated until the younger party was of age. People back then weren't stupid and understood if young girls became pregnant it often lead to complications and death. There's commentary on it Romeo and Juliet for example. Not that it obviously didn't happen, it did sadly because humans suck, but it's a common misconception of modern times that it was normal.
I thought she viewed CC and Kallen as concubines or second wives, with herself as official wife. Hence why she calls them three of them members of his court.
But yeah, Kaguya is around the same age as the Tianzi (or barely older). She openly declares her marriage to Zero (whom everyone assumes is an older man), and while people are surprised by the marriage angle, nobody raises any moral objections since it’s obvious the marriage wouldn’t be consummated until she was old enough.
Still off-putting to modern sensibilities, but Code Geass is in an alt-setting where cultural mores did not advance like the technology (Britannia is a good example of low-culture but high-technology)
Mostly true but Kaguya is 2-3 years older than Tianzi. Tianzi is much more shy and childish.
Lol also are you suggesting our cultural norms are advanced? I’d say there’s much more offputting stuff normalized in our own low-culture mid-technology society, so I wouldn’t be so judgemental.
I think it was very clear from what we see from Odysseus that he was almost glad it didn’t happen, his first worry was for the young princesses safety, but then after he said that he took no offence to what happened, like honestly it did really reek of just politics despite how messed up that is, the good thing we have in the situation is the fact that Odysseus is a decent human being so probably wouldn’t have done anything with or towards Tizani at all
Weird how some Americans are so incapable of commenting on another culture that they always have to bring it back to “America bad”.
You can criticize a facet of a religion or nation Islam without hating the entire population.
The only issue is what they define as “of age”. In some cultures it was when you’re able to have kids, so after you get your period. I got my period at 11.
>People back then weren't stupid and understood if young girls became pregnant it often lead to complications and death. There's commentary on it Romeo and Juliet for example.
Yes there are some and were cultures who considered a girl a woman when she got her period, but this is another misunderstanding. Historically periods actually happened later in life than in modern times. There's a lot of factors why this happens but it wasn't as common for it to happen younger. Even then, people knew it was dangerous for young girls to have children and it's why I used Romeo and Juliet as an example.
There's commentary on how this is not good with Juliet's mother. It's implied the reason why Juliet is a only child is because her mother had her very young, thus leaving her unable to have more children. It ties into the whole plot of why her parents are cool with Paris marrying her soon despite Juliet being a girl herself. Because this did happen in real life, and it often resulted in the mother dying or being unable to have more children.
And in a world like Code Geass where cyborgs are possible, they wouldn't expect children from a literal 13 year old girl. Odysseus isn't even that interested in her if you re-watch this part. He's clearly doing this as a political move because Schnizel told him too. And he trusts his brother because he is a good political player and knows what he's doing.
................dude.
>**I highly doubt he was going to consummate the marriage until she was of age too.** There's literally no evidence for that within the series. This was just a political set up in the end.
>Political marriages like this happened a lot historically in real life with royals and nobles. Even then the **marriage was not consummated until the younger party was of age.**
I never said they expected children from her at 13 years old. I even mentioned there's literally no evidence he would consummate the marriage at this point due to her age. Stating even that it would probably happen when she was of age. Y'know, when one is considered an *adult*. Which historically is how these types of marriages would be handled.
On other more significant news, water is in fact wet...
In all seriousness, its a political marriage, a royal political marriage, what did you expect its gonna be messed up one way or another. Don't blame Prince Odysseus or the Tianzi, since the former accepted it out of political pragmatism of a realpolitik while the latter was controlled and used by the Eunuchs.
Britannia cannot afford to marry a younger member of the imperial family for something as mundane as "the age gap" and the Eunuchs of the Chinese Federation wouldn't want to their puppet to be seen by the people, their Tianzi, be married to a someone in a lower in the line of succession. Even if Odysseus didn't accept the marriage because of the age gap, someone would take its place and well according to realpolitik that someone is the current emperor, so having the 1st prince be married to the Son of Heaven is more acceptable.
I mean, it was all Schneizel’s fault, he was trying to goad Zero out of hiding this way; Odysseus was just going with the flow. And besides, Diethard seems to be the only one not at all bothered by age gap romances (also Lelouch, for a brief moment), and when he admits as such, all of the other Black Knight leaders call him out on it.
I’m like 90% sure he’s completely platonic with her , he never displays any behavior that implied romance, he knows he’s probably gonna die soon , i don’t even think the thought the empress likes him crossed his mind
Isn’t Kaguya like 14 and Tianzi like 11? Even though it’s a slight difference the mindset changes a lot in that span. So I don’t think it was quite the same dynamic.
Lol Kaguya is built different and she’s a charismatic empress. She’s not thinking about a “relationship” she’s thinking about reigning alongside her emperor.
Ppl are self inserting themselves at her age without also inserting the entire context of the world she’s in.
Kaguya isn’t an Empress, she is just from a noble family. That does not make her an Empress. Tianzi is an Empress but her role was more of a symbolic one. Also Kaguya once described herself, C.C and Kallen as members of “Master Zero’s harem”,
It might be wishful thinking on my part, but I read him as caring about her in a non-romantic way, sort of like how Lelouch cares for Nunnally. That would just make it a cute childhood crush, rather then messed up.
If he feels the way she does, yep, that would be gross.
Given this was Schnizel’s plan it’s beneficial for the empress honestly.
Better than the location she currently was. It was a move to take power of the Chinese federation and if the empress isn’t happy that’s not good.
He was overall a pretty good leader who avoided war and handled things with diplomacy. Even Lelouch thought using her for a political marriage would be the logical move at first.
Apart from Oddie being lucky, this is a completely normal thing in the royalty business.
Political marriage does not care about ages or age differences.
This legit made my stomach churn. The only real thing that could be considered "good" about is would be that Odysseus (as far as I know) is a rather kind and gentle man all things considered, he didn’t show any signs of hunger for power, nor the normal racism and superiority complex other royals did. He also seemed like the type not to be abusive. Had it went ahead (the marriage), I think he would have waited until she was an actual adult, and I don’t think he was the type to force himself on another. He was only there because of obligation to his nation. He didn’t want it either.
Yes. Most definitely. But at least she was going to marry the least horrible prince besides Lelouch. Odysseus would have been kind to her at least. But it still would gave been SUUUUUPER GROSS!!!
Yes. Most definitely. But at least she was going to marry the least horrible prince besides Lelouch. Odysseus would have been kind to her at least. But it still would gave been SUUUUUPER GROSS!!!
It’s a political marriage, happens all the time in history. He’s the crown prince marrying the empress. Similar in rank/title. This was like one episode, it’s not like the entire show was pushing these kinds of relationships.
Man, did u watch the show when you were high? Lelouch was alive when this happened. It was during the Chinese Federation episodes when Lelouch purposefully exiled the Black Knights to China.
Well yeah, but it was a political marriage. It's clear by how he acted Odysseus was just doing what Schneizel told him to do. And in the grand scheme of the world it's not a bad way to settle things with the Chinese federation. You tie each party together via marriage, and the resulting children have power in both places. Odysseus was obviously going to be the Emperor eventually given how old he is, and Tianzi was the Chinese federation's empress. It's a logical to marry them given the situation and power both would have. I highly doubt he was going to consummate the marriage until she was of age too. There's literally no evidence for that within the series. This was just a political set up in the end. Political marriages like this happened a lot historically in real life with royals and nobles. Even then the marriage was not consummated until the younger party was of age. People back then weren't stupid and understood if young girls became pregnant it often lead to complications and death. There's commentary on it Romeo and Juliet for example. Not that it obviously didn't happen, it did sadly because humans suck, but it's a common misconception of modern times that it was normal.
An example of this in-universe was Kaguya going “Yeah you can keep those mistresses around until I’m old enough, it’s no big deal”
I thought she viewed CC and Kallen as concubines or second wives, with herself as official wife. Hence why she calls them three of them members of his court. But yeah, Kaguya is around the same age as the Tianzi (or barely older). She openly declares her marriage to Zero (whom everyone assumes is an older man), and while people are surprised by the marriage angle, nobody raises any moral objections since it’s obvious the marriage wouldn’t be consummated until she was old enough. Still off-putting to modern sensibilities, but Code Geass is in an alt-setting where cultural mores did not advance like the technology (Britannia is a good example of low-culture but high-technology)
Mostly true but Kaguya is 2-3 years older than Tianzi. Tianzi is much more shy and childish. Lol also are you suggesting our cultural norms are advanced? I’d say there’s much more offputting stuff normalized in our own low-culture mid-technology society, so I wouldn’t be so judgemental.
I think it was very clear from what we see from Odysseus that he was almost glad it didn’t happen, his first worry was for the young princesses safety, but then after he said that he took no offence to what happened, like honestly it did really reek of just politics despite how messed up that is, the good thing we have in the situation is the fact that Odysseus is a decent human being so probably wouldn’t have done anything with or towards Tizani at all
That shit is stil happening right now in islamic shit cultures
Islamic? Dude there's places in the US where someone can get married at 12 with the consent of only 1 parent
Weird how some Americans are so incapable of commenting on another culture that they always have to bring it back to “America bad”. You can criticize a facet of a religion or nation Islam without hating the entire population.
The only issue is what they define as “of age”. In some cultures it was when you’re able to have kids, so after you get your period. I got my period at 11.
>People back then weren't stupid and understood if young girls became pregnant it often lead to complications and death. There's commentary on it Romeo and Juliet for example. Yes there are some and were cultures who considered a girl a woman when she got her period, but this is another misunderstanding. Historically periods actually happened later in life than in modern times. There's a lot of factors why this happens but it wasn't as common for it to happen younger. Even then, people knew it was dangerous for young girls to have children and it's why I used Romeo and Juliet as an example. There's commentary on how this is not good with Juliet's mother. It's implied the reason why Juliet is a only child is because her mother had her very young, thus leaving her unable to have more children. It ties into the whole plot of why her parents are cool with Paris marrying her soon despite Juliet being a girl herself. Because this did happen in real life, and it often resulted in the mother dying or being unable to have more children. And in a world like Code Geass where cyborgs are possible, they wouldn't expect children from a literal 13 year old girl. Odysseus isn't even that interested in her if you re-watch this part. He's clearly doing this as a political move because Schnizel told him too. And he trusts his brother because he is a good political player and knows what he's doing.
Were they honestly expecting children for them when Tianzi is a child herself? I think that is what's wrong with that image.
Did you read the whole comment?
I did... I didn't notice that part, though. I have that bad habit of sometimes skipping entire sentences by accident. Sorry.
Fair enough
................dude. >**I highly doubt he was going to consummate the marriage until she was of age too.** There's literally no evidence for that within the series. This was just a political set up in the end. >Political marriages like this happened a lot historically in real life with royals and nobles. Even then the **marriage was not consummated until the younger party was of age.** I never said they expected children from her at 13 years old. I even mentioned there's literally no evidence he would consummate the marriage at this point due to her age. Stating even that it would probably happen when she was of age. Y'know, when one is considered an *adult*. Which historically is how these types of marriages would be handled.
On other more significant news, water is in fact wet... In all seriousness, its a political marriage, a royal political marriage, what did you expect its gonna be messed up one way or another. Don't blame Prince Odysseus or the Tianzi, since the former accepted it out of political pragmatism of a realpolitik while the latter was controlled and used by the Eunuchs. Britannia cannot afford to marry a younger member of the imperial family for something as mundane as "the age gap" and the Eunuchs of the Chinese Federation wouldn't want to their puppet to be seen by the people, their Tianzi, be married to a someone in a lower in the line of succession. Even if Odysseus didn't accept the marriage because of the age gap, someone would take its place and well according to realpolitik that someone is the current emperor, so having the 1st prince be married to the Son of Heaven is more acceptable.
Out of all the anime subs I’m in, this one is consistently the most rational and logical.
I mean, it was all Schneizel’s fault, he was trying to goad Zero out of hiding this way; Odysseus was just going with the flow. And besides, Diethard seems to be the only one not at all bothered by age gap romances (also Lelouch, for a brief moment), and when he admits as such, all of the other Black Knight leaders call him out on it.
So is her relationship with the man she actually wanted to be with, given that Ling Xingke was a whole ass adult when she met him as a child.
I’m like 90% sure he’s completely platonic with her , he never displays any behavior that implied romance, he knows he’s probably gonna die soon , i don’t even think the thought the empress likes him crossed his mind
Maybe I was more thinking about how Kaguya Sumeragi was pushing Lelouch to let them be together
Isn’t Kaguya like 14 and Tianzi like 11? Even though it’s a slight difference the mindset changes a lot in that span. So I don’t think it was quite the same dynamic.
Kaguya is 14? Neither one of these children should be thinking about a relationship.
Lol Kaguya is built different and she’s a charismatic empress. She’s not thinking about a “relationship” she’s thinking about reigning alongside her emperor. Ppl are self inserting themselves at her age without also inserting the entire context of the world she’s in.
Kaguya isn’t an Empress, she is just from a noble family. That does not make her an Empress. Tianzi is an Empress but her role was more of a symbolic one. Also Kaguya once described herself, C.C and Kallen as members of “Master Zero’s harem”,
It might be wishful thinking on my part, but I read him as caring about her in a non-romantic way, sort of like how Lelouch cares for Nunnally. That would just make it a cute childhood crush, rather then messed up. If he feels the way she does, yep, that would be gross.
It’s been awhile since I watched the show but there is kind of some evidence to suggest that he does.
Given this was Schnizel’s plan it’s beneficial for the empress honestly. Better than the location she currently was. It was a move to take power of the Chinese federation and if the empress isn’t happy that’s not good. He was overall a pretty good leader who avoided war and handled things with diplomacy. Even Lelouch thought using her for a political marriage would be the logical move at first.
When your wedding photos look like you were playing dress up with your dad and uncle😅
Apart from Oddie being lucky, this is a completely normal thing in the royalty business. Political marriage does not care about ages or age differences.
This legit made my stomach churn. The only real thing that could be considered "good" about is would be that Odysseus (as far as I know) is a rather kind and gentle man all things considered, he didn’t show any signs of hunger for power, nor the normal racism and superiority complex other royals did. He also seemed like the type not to be abusive. Had it went ahead (the marriage), I think he would have waited until she was an actual adult, and I don’t think he was the type to force himself on another. He was only there because of obligation to his nation. He didn’t want it either.
There is a difference between marriage and consummation of a marriage
Bruh. No one argued that point. It's like saying water is wet or that Kallen got cake.
Yes. Most definitely. But at least she was going to marry the least horrible prince besides Lelouch. Odysseus would have been kind to her at least. But it still would gave been SUUUUUPER GROSS!!!
Yes. Most definitely. But at least she was going to marry the least horrible prince besides Lelouch. Odysseus would have been kind to her at least. But it still would gave been SUUUUUPER GROSS!!!
It’s a political marriage, happens all the time in history. He’s the crown prince marrying the empress. Similar in rank/title. This was like one episode, it’s not like the entire show was pushing these kinds of relationships.
That man is cultured
Was waiting for this.
In this subreddit!? I'm not so sure... there may be some "people" here...
I stopped watching once lalouch died didn't see this
Man, did u watch the show when you were high? Lelouch was alive when this happened. It was during the Chinese Federation episodes when Lelouch purposefully exiled the Black Knights to China.
Oh right now I remember now but no I wasn't