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Talking from France, the level of the political debate is not much higher, at least we have a third party, from the left, against the one of the bourgeoisie and the neo-fascists
Right now I'm feeling proud of being Spanish because here most of the population is pro-Palestine (or, rather, anti-genocide), and our Government at least is doing something on that regard. Not much (not that they can do much either), but still that's better than nothing. Even if we do ask for more (which we do, both in the streets and in our Parliament).
¡No pasarán!
I find funny how this criticism is the government, not the elections, and still somehow people bring the elections like.. only there any type of protest can happen
it’s infuriating how thousands of people refusing to vote for a genocide supporter are getting blamed for Biden’s fading poll numbers instead of the one guy who could win back those votes if he, y’know, stopped supporting so many massacres.
I’m not gonna hate on anyone who genuinely believes voting for Biden is harm reduction but I’ve had it with anyone that thinks Biden’s looming loss will be anything other than his own damn fault. If Biden didn’t want Trump to win, he could have won those votes back anytime in a single 20-minute speech.
It truly is a little bizarre. people are so hung up on harm reduction that they cannot do both harm reduction AND putting pressure on the regime to please dear god stop funding israel 😭
[If the Dems are supposed to protect us from the Republican far right, maybe they should stop funding it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqgP9Ft_1CY)
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Those who won't vote for Biden because of Gaza are not showing up in the polls anyway, and definitely aren't showing up as a vote for Trump, so I wouldn't claim a casual relation there. He could lose for that reason due to small changes in MI, but the polls aren't going to show it.
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What do you mean you don't want to vote for an old racist pedophile genocider over the other old racist pedophile genocider?! *The man even said "nothing will fundamentally change" to a room full of rich donors! Of course we can expect totally different policies from the two despite two first terms that say otherwise!*
Holy crap the libs are downvoting us in full force for similar comments on a LEFTIST SUB. How dare you ask more of the beloved blue mussolini as clearly any vote for another candidate acshually counts for red hitler!
Well they can take away as much of our fake internet points as they want.
Doesn't change the fact that their dysfunctional and idiotic ideology has finally led them to destruction. There is no recovery for the Democratic Party after Biden.
*Gee, maybe they shouldn't have run with the most unlikeable fucker on the planet in a system determined by popularity contests.*
My only question is would we be more electoralist leftists if Bernie had one? An alleged "socialist" at the time before we knew what we know now? Because I'm DONE with elections. We got 3 options. Third party candidate wins (extremely unlikely but still what i'm voting for) continue organizing anyway, Biden wins because of pearl clutching libs and we continue protesting and boycotting until we get dragged into ww3, or revolt against the cheeto nazi immediately if he gets in.
Bernie isn't as nearly as far enough left leaning as we need to go, but he would have been a good stepping stone. And certainly way better than Biden or Trump.
Wrong. You liberals are the reason why the Republicans have gotten this far. They literally couldn't have done it without your help in suppressing the actual left and Democrats, ESPECIALLY Biden, being buddy buddy with them and working together for every awful bill that brought us closer to fascism. (Biden helped author the Patriot Act.)
Don't you ever delude yourself into thinking you're anything more than Trump's little helper. Because propping up Biden is EXACTLY why he's going to win. (Again.)
Idk why you deleted your other comment to my reply to this, but here is your comment
>And what have you been doing to help a third party win? Have you joined rallies if they even exist have you offered volunteer work, have you donated? Do you even go out and vote? What have you done exactly, because if it's anything less than voting you're still more useless than a liberal
And here is my response:
This is such a stupid fucking comment. It doesn't matter what I've done or not done. Your vote should be based on your ideology and values, not based on what some random redditors do on their own time. What will you say if I say "yes I've gone canvassing and calling people and have unionised 15 workplaces"? What then? Will that convince you? Of course not. Because you're not asking those questions in good faith. You're just trying to attack people standing up against a genocide, because you yourself are too spineless to do so and this makes you feel better about yourself
Is it? I've only ever seen is used with one side being ridiculous about something. sometimes even both people in the meme being silly, but I don't recall ever seeing the opposite.
My favorite thing is they bring up Trump as if they are POWERLESS if he gets elected.. like so you'll just LET the nazi you despise oh so much win and enact more genocide and all these other horrible things you're fear mongering about? You're just gonna LET him kill gay and trans folk? So because you voted for Biden you are now entirely hands off on a nazi president?? Sounds like you really don't hate nazis. And if you don't hate nazis and wouldn't do everything you could to stop them, we cannot be friends
Really. We get too caught up in the presidential election when really local elections are more important.
If enough Democrats win local elections, Trump will (I'm not even entertaining the idea that Biden stands a chance, or that he could have possibly won 2020 without the fluke of a pandemic) just be restricted to executive orders as he needs Republican minions to pass the real awful sweeping changes.
*So, Democrats in local elections need to start disowning Biden.* Some of them were eager to portray themselves as anti-Obama back when most Americans still loved him. So.....
The only people who I've seen say it would be worse under trump are those who aren't effected by the oppression that's happening under Biden. How can mostly upper middle class cis/het white people tell any minority that they have to vote for their oppressor because the other option could potentially effect them?
And for the one fucker that did get convicted to, you know, *actually get sent to prison instead of being kept around under the insane and idiotic notion that he somehow helps their election chances when he's going to destroy them.*
I hate the project 2025 argument because both parties have been in the process of inacting most of those policies for decades now. That said, I'll reluctantly cast a vote for Biden purely for harm reduction. But I dont blame anyone who is over his genocidal bullshit
Really. Project 2025 is just a rebranding of the same shit the Republicans have been doing since Nixon and Kissinger. The whole time Biden was being buddy buddy with them. *Oh, but I'm sure he'll save us from the world he helped architect if we re-elect him, even though he did nothing to do so in his first term!*
And it's not like nobody figured it out until recently. *George Lucas saw what Nixon and his successors were doing and made a whole sci-fi franchise about it.*
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>on Palestine a republican presidency will make **everything** worse.
Nope. You liberals need to stop running with this verbal diarrhea. No one is a bigger shill for Israel than Joe Biden.
**No one.**
[And he is absolutely a fascist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jov9jxRecFc) Zionism is just Nazism with a different "master race". Israel is just copying the shit Nazi Germany did, *with Biden's funding.*
For fuck's sake, **Hillary** even tried to cut off Israel during one of their escalations during the Obama years. Guess who bypassed her and got his daddy Netanyahu his bombs anyway? *Joe Biden.*
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Talking from France, the level of the political debate is not much higher, at least we have a third party, from the left, against the one of the bourgeoisie and the neo-fascists
Right now I'm feeling proud of being Spanish because here most of the population is pro-Palestine (or, rather, anti-genocide), and our Government at least is doing something on that regard. Not much (not that they can do much either), but still that's better than nothing. Even if we do ask for more (which we do, both in the streets and in our Parliament). ¡No pasarán!
For a leftist subreddit these comments are overwhelmingly liberal
Don’t go to /r/starwarsleftymemes
Holy shit, it's wild. Every post is literally just this meme, and not one person is claiming anyone should vote for Trump.
I find funny how this criticism is the government, not the elections, and still somehow people bring the elections like.. only there any type of protest can happen
it’s infuriating how thousands of people refusing to vote for a genocide supporter are getting blamed for Biden’s fading poll numbers instead of the one guy who could win back those votes if he, y’know, stopped supporting so many massacres. I’m not gonna hate on anyone who genuinely believes voting for Biden is harm reduction but I’ve had it with anyone that thinks Biden’s looming loss will be anything other than his own damn fault. If Biden didn’t want Trump to win, he could have won those votes back anytime in a single 20-minute speech.
It truly is a little bizarre. people are so hung up on harm reduction that they cannot do both harm reduction AND putting pressure on the regime to please dear god stop funding israel 😭
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Those who won't vote for Biden because of Gaza are not showing up in the polls anyway, and definitely aren't showing up as a vote for Trump, so I wouldn't claim a casual relation there. He could lose for that reason due to small changes in MI, but the polls aren't going to show it.
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Kind of hard to use Trump as a threat when the alternative is...this.
What do you mean you don't want to vote for an old racist pedophile genocider over the other old racist pedophile genocider?! *The man even said "nothing will fundamentally change" to a room full of rich donors! Of course we can expect totally different policies from the two despite two first terms that say otherwise!*
Holy crap the libs are downvoting us in full force for similar comments on a LEFTIST SUB. How dare you ask more of the beloved blue mussolini as clearly any vote for another candidate acshually counts for red hitler!
Well they can take away as much of our fake internet points as they want. Doesn't change the fact that their dysfunctional and idiotic ideology has finally led them to destruction. There is no recovery for the Democratic Party after Biden. *Gee, maybe they shouldn't have run with the most unlikeable fucker on the planet in a system determined by popularity contests.*
My only question is would we be more electoralist leftists if Bernie had one? An alleged "socialist" at the time before we knew what we know now? Because I'm DONE with elections. We got 3 options. Third party candidate wins (extremely unlikely but still what i'm voting for) continue organizing anyway, Biden wins because of pearl clutching libs and we continue protesting and boycotting until we get dragged into ww3, or revolt against the cheeto nazi immediately if he gets in.
Bernie isn't as nearly as far enough left leaning as we need to go, but he would have been a good stepping stone. And certainly way better than Biden or Trump.
It's an election year, so their pearls are being clutched extra hard.
"10 degrees left when it doesn't affect them, 10 degrees to the right when it affects themselves."
I mean ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
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Wrong. You liberals are the reason why the Republicans have gotten this far. They literally couldn't have done it without your help in suppressing the actual left and Democrats, ESPECIALLY Biden, being buddy buddy with them and working together for every awful bill that brought us closer to fascism. (Biden helped author the Patriot Act.) Don't you ever delude yourself into thinking you're anything more than Trump's little helper. Because propping up Biden is EXACTLY why he's going to win. (Again.)
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Nobody told you to not vote though. Vote. Just not for genociders
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Idk why you deleted your other comment to my reply to this, but here is your comment >And what have you been doing to help a third party win? Have you joined rallies if they even exist have you offered volunteer work, have you donated? Do you even go out and vote? What have you done exactly, because if it's anything less than voting you're still more useless than a liberal And here is my response: This is such a stupid fucking comment. It doesn't matter what I've done or not done. Your vote should be based on your ideology and values, not based on what some random redditors do on their own time. What will you say if I say "yes I've gone canvassing and calling people and have unionised 15 workplaces"? What then? Will that convince you? Of course not. Because you're not asking those questions in good faith. You're just trying to attack people standing up against a genocide, because you yourself are too spineless to do so and this makes you feel better about yourself
If libs like you continue to be spineless against a literal genocide, then yeah they won't win
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I have, now what have you done?
Maybe idk, just maybe write collectively write or vote third party. Instead of voting for the absolute garbage candidates.
This meme format is supposed to be for two people going back and forth making reasonable points about a complex issue
Is it? I've only ever seen is used with one side being ridiculous about something. sometimes even both people in the meme being silly, but I don't recall ever seeing the opposite.
[Yes, classically.](https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/17207588/american-chopper-meme) But of course memes change.
My favorite thing is they bring up Trump as if they are POWERLESS if he gets elected.. like so you'll just LET the nazi you despise oh so much win and enact more genocide and all these other horrible things you're fear mongering about? You're just gonna LET him kill gay and trans folk? So because you voted for Biden you are now entirely hands off on a nazi president?? Sounds like you really don't hate nazis. And if you don't hate nazis and wouldn't do everything you could to stop them, we cannot be friends
Liberals do not believe in political action beyond voting
Bingo bango bongo
for real lol the #resistance doesn't seem all that down for resisting
Really. We get too caught up in the presidential election when really local elections are more important. If enough Democrats win local elections, Trump will (I'm not even entertaining the idea that Biden stands a chance, or that he could have possibly won 2020 without the fluke of a pandemic) just be restricted to executive orders as he needs Republican minions to pass the real awful sweeping changes. *So, Democrats in local elections need to start disowning Biden.* Some of them were eager to portray themselves as anti-Obama back when most Americans still loved him. So.....
If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
Is this a serious horseshoe theory comment or a /s horseshoe theory comment
Not really horseshoe.
The only people who I've seen say it would be worse under trump are those who aren't effected by the oppression that's happening under Biden. How can mostly upper middle class cis/het white people tell any minority that they have to vote for their oppressor because the other option could potentially effect them?
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Yeah those protesters should be grateful it’s democrats sending cops to bust their heads open and not republicans
If the democrats are going to protect us from fascist traitors they’re going to need a conviction rate higher than one every 40 years.
And for the one fucker that did get convicted to, you know, *actually get sent to prison instead of being kept around under the insane and idiotic notion that he somehow helps their election chances when he's going to destroy them.*
THE MEME SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE ELECTION
I hate the project 2025 argument because both parties have been in the process of inacting most of those policies for decades now. That said, I'll reluctantly cast a vote for Biden purely for harm reduction. But I dont blame anyone who is over his genocidal bullshit
Really. Project 2025 is just a rebranding of the same shit the Republicans have been doing since Nixon and Kissinger. The whole time Biden was being buddy buddy with them. *Oh, but I'm sure he'll save us from the world he helped architect if we re-elect him, even though he did nothing to do so in his first term!* And it's not like nobody figured it out until recently. *George Lucas saw what Nixon and his successors were doing and made a whole sci-fi franchise about it.*
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>on Palestine a republican presidency will make **everything** worse. Nope. You liberals need to stop running with this verbal diarrhea. No one is a bigger shill for Israel than Joe Biden. **No one.** [And he is absolutely a fascist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jov9jxRecFc) Zionism is just Nazism with a different "master race". Israel is just copying the shit Nazi Germany did, *with Biden's funding.* For fuck's sake, **Hillary** even tried to cut off Israel during one of their escalations during the Obama years. Guess who bypassed her and got his daddy Netanyahu his bombs anyway? *Joe Biden.*
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lol not voting for biden who cares
bUt tRUmP GEnocIdE GAyS
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liberals aren't leftists.
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We indeed don't cater to liberals here.