I really don't understand why this card would make someone salty. You're just looking at the cards in their hand. It's a little cumbersome in a 4 player game, and if you're annoying when you play it (let me slowly write down every card in your hand), then I can see why people would get salty, but if just looking at someone's hand makes them salty, then quite frankly I want nothing to do with playing with that person.
> and if you're annoying when you play it (let me slowly write down every card in your hand)
Yeah this is key for me. Quick look, absolutely fine. But the longer it goes the worse it gets.
I would never be that person, mainly use it for key moments to see if someone has a counterspell or sometime that prevents me from doing something big.
Yup. Use it to see if opponent has counterspell? No problem. Use it every time I draw a card with untaps and constantly writing down and cross referencing every card in everyone’s hand? Yeah that’s annoying, but that has nothing to do with the card itself and everything to do with the person using it.
If you’re talking about writing notes, it is legal. You’re allowed to write notes and refer to them, even in tournament magic, during a game. You just can’t bring in outside notes. This is pretty much how most tournament players play.
https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr2-11/
If.you are taking the time to write down every card in my hand then you are already taking this game far more competitive than i.am and I'm already now considering scooping because this is going to be a drag on my time, patience, and enjoyment.
The way I see it is, if just me knowing your hand gets you salty, wait until I tell you you might as well reveal it to save waiting for me to tell everyone else what they are too.
Not sure where this false impression comes from because Gitaxian Probe gets played all the time in cEDH and there's no case of a person being thrown out for telling someone else "[x player] has [y card] in their hand". If I'm allowed to know it I'm allowed to share it. The person doesn't have to show anyone but me their hand if I request for them to, but if they're not going to there's no rule against me just telling the other 2 people.
Although he could tell another player not to cast a big spell, because you have a counterspell, even if that's not true.
Or tell them he can cast it, because you don't have a counter, even if you do.
I wouldn't damage my credibility like that over a game outcome. Even in cEDH, it becomes known you do that type of stuff and you lose your ability to politic and keep the goodwill of everyone else at the table. They'll elim you first if its a tiebreaker between you and someone actually trustworthy.
Whew, good thing we are all in the EDH subreddit discussing an implicitly casual format (I don't think sharing information is prohibited regardless).
If someone was playing EDH in a competitive event, I sure hope they got fired for that blunder.
I literally found two copies of this that were tossed in the chaff bucket where I play a few weeks back. I laughed (because I played it when it was new) and showed it to two other players. One was a newbie who thought it would be awesome in a deck they were building (because it is an awesome card), and the other was a hipster who grabbed it for the lulz.
I've played with [[Telepathy]] and it didn't get (much) salt because their hands were equally exposed. I haven't built anything with Glasses yet, but I may drop it into my [[Talrand]] counterspell tribal deck because salt is the main dish for that one.
I'd say add it and see what happens. Use it politically and not selfishly, if someone has an obvious threat or wincon in hand make sure the other players are at least prepared for something to happen. Don't play spoiler. Be a Cassandra and warn of (general) impending doom, and let the bad guy be the bad guy.
I built the new [[Gisa, the Hellraiser]] recently and glasses of urza was one of the cards I was most excited to put in the deck. I’m notorious in my playgroups for my [[Talrand, Sky Summoner]] one mana cantrips deck and I run all the blue look at someone’s hand spells 🤣
My playgroup honestly gets a kick out of those effects so I have only seen the exact opposite of salty response to these types of effects
So, I personally don't sympathize with most of the things that people get salty over (other than non parity breaking chaos, that's just boring, it's not salty, but if I enjoyed pure randomness I'd just "play" war, but if you have a wincon and break parity go off), but this does not seem like the kind of thing that even a lot of the people with really restrictive metas would be salty over.
From a social standpoint, as long as, if someone doesn't want you to touch their cards they can just show you, I think this should be totally fine.
Yea, that wouldn't be the goal. It's more of a committing a crime outlet and social threat, I don't actually care what anyone has in their hand. It's the threat of their hand getting revealed to the entire table that I want to leverage.
It doesn’t though. You can look at them, and the opponent can choose to reveal them if they want but it’s not a forced reveal. You can tell another player what you’ve seen but they are also then able to deny that and it’s up to the other person to decide who to believe.
Oh yeah, Heard that, I was confused by how you worded it as “reveal” is a specific thing in MTG and the card doesn’t reveal their hand but specifically lets you, alone, look at it.
When I said reveal, I more ment call out what they have in their hand. They can then move to confirm or deny based on what they want. I can use it to bluff and force people into situations that favor myself. I understand that only I see the cards and that I can't force anyone to show their hand to the table.
I'd be happy to see it. Isn't that part of the fun of EDH? Tens of thousands of cards, so almost anything can happen in a game. If you leverage some politics out of it, all the better.
You should play the cards that you like and not worry about what others think of them.
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My opinion on the card is that it's cool and funny, but that it's too shitty. It's also not something that would bother me (what bothers me is Simic Breathing Tribal, 5 color good stuff, copy & paste top 20 EDHREC decks, etc., not stax, MLD, or stuff like this.) Firstly, it doesn't do anything inherently, knowing your opponent has something doesn't necessarily mean you can play around it. Secondly it only reveals one person's hand at a time.
I would play [[Telepathy]] or [[Revelation]] instead if I really wanted to play one of these effects.
Another thing about the Glasses is that you're not allowed to physically reveal the cards to other players. You're allowed to audibly tell everyone what is in that player's hand, but they'd have to believe you.
Telepathy or Revelation would do a better job at it.
After ten minutes of furiously making land drops and extra turns the Simic player pauses...
- I think I have the win
... 20 minutes later, breathing heavily, deck nearly exhausted...
- Didn't I already draw Labman?
... Another 3 minutes shifting trough the 30 card hand.
- Where's everyone?
It's one of the reasons that Simic is my least favorite (casual) color pair. Everything they do just passively generates value, and they get access to excellent stack interaction for is you ever try to stop their value engines. Everything else has a personality and pros/cons. Simic just says they're good at everything, and No You Can't Do That.
I suspect that Ux is generally disliked for similar reasons, but especially Simic (Breathing Tribal)/Azorius ("No, You Can't" Tribal), then Izzet (15 minutes of trying to squeeze out one more draw for their storm), then lastly Dimir.
See, I like everything blue does EXCEPT the countermagic (except in high-power pods). So I play (among others) mono blue aggro-drawpower [[Grazilaxx]], Azorius tap-down control [[Hylda]], and for cEDH [[Niv-Mizzet Parun]]. Simic, though, is the least reasonable of the UX combos, because it abuses casual play's allowance of land ramp as "fair magic." It's way too consistent, and always plays the exact same way. Play lands, draw cards, and probably get +1/+1 counters. Until you just overwhelm opponents. It's got all the wonderful options that blue had to offer, and uses them to play and protect the lamest green fatties that they can. Not fun.
See, you're still doing the same thing, but choking some poor token out to do it. It's slightly more flavorful, and requires a BIT more thought, but you're still being rewarded for drawing cards... And you're still passively ramping constantly. As cool as that pairing (and that art!!), I don't think you get a pass. That's just Simic with extra steps.
I stand corrected. It IS much worse. And yet better. Since you're using the ramp/cards to actually DO things other than spin wheels that spin other wheels that spin other wheels, I think you might actually be onto something. Also, the more of those black tech pieces and wincons you're playing, the fewer slots you have for the conventional Simic countermagic package. Bravo, sir, I think you've swayed me.
Yeah I don't need to draw my whole deck to win. The inclusion of black allows for things like [[Murkwood Bats]] and [[Avenger of Zendikar]] / [[Awaken the Woods]] to blow up the table. It's gota quite a few wincons that I can reach much sooner than in 15 minutes.
It's completely fine and not even a problem; looking at someone's hand is like a basic thing that has existed forever in Magic! Hell, Glasses doesn't even make you discard a card after they've looked at your hand like so many black spells can.
I've played Glasses and bluffed that the opponent had a board wipe in hand when I was trying to dissuade another opponent from dumping creatures onto the board, and ya know what, it worked! Until they drew into their board protection spell and then it was GG, green gonna do green things.
I think it's hilarious, I bought a copy just because it seemed like a funny annoyance.
"Hey what did you just draw?"
"I'm not telling you"
(Taps glasses) "no, what did you draw?"
It's terrible.
However, it is a funny cheap crime engine for the commanders who care about committing crimes, particularly Marchesa. Particularly the ones that only trigger once per turn.
I don’t know 100% why this would be problematic. Is it the repeatable nature of the ability? I have plenty of blue one-mana cantrips that do the same thing
It's more of the social aspect/threat of the card. It's not particularly good gameplay wise, but socially, I think it would be a hilarious add to a deck that commits crimes.
Repeatable crime prescription my planeswalker. Just target players in turn order, by highest life total, most cards in hand, etc. Use it politically, if possible.
Bonus points if you can untap it each turn.
A little less annoying as [[Telepathy]] which I own a copy of, which I played once on turn 1, which drew so much hate the group politicked it outside of the pod.
In casual, targeting needs context. If you’re picking on the lagging player or swinging at the person who is sitting in a pile of their own bad luck with 3 lands on round 6 just for attack triggers and hitting for 2 damage, it can be a bit dickish.
Trying to gain advantage over the perceived threat? Go nuts. Down to 1v1? Slap down that telepathy or whatever.
Casual magic is about everyone having fun overall. I’d play it and if your regular group doesn’t like it, bounce it.
If it’s the meanest thing in your casual deck, I wouldn’t worry in any case.
If it’s sitting along telepathy, [[winter orb]] [[torpor orb]] [[stasis]] [[static orb]] etc in a deck then you’re already a sociopath (me too) so “send it” as the kids say.
I wouldn't mind it so long as it's not slowing the game down a ton. There's probably fun(?) to be had in lying about what you see.
Similar vibes: \[\[Telepathy\]\] and \[\[Revelation\]\] are a lot less work. \[\[Zur's Weirding\]\] is a lot more work, in a different way.
It's just not a great card. It may have a better use in 1v1 edh or 2headed giant, but not by much. Most people that play this have no clue what to do with the information it gives, so it ends up dragging out turns. I'm never salty about it but it's one of those things where I kinda roll my eyes and go "k?".
the only annoying thing would be the amount of time. reading there cards once is fine. re looking at everyone's hand every turn in addition to whenever a new card is drawn would be very annoying.
You're taking up a slot in your deck that does nothing mechanically to stop your opponents. There's no real reason to be bothered by it. Could be some of your opponents feel like they can only win if people don't see their wincon/protection spell coming?
I feel like it’s a significantly worse version of [[Telepathy]]. The only reasons I could see running it instead would be if you’re not in Blue, if you have artifact synergies, or if you have crime synergies.
I feel like it would be more useful if you knew how your opponents' decks work, rather than an unfamiliar deck in a pick-up game.
Not to say it couldn't still be usefull in some cases otherwise.
I love using it primarily in my [[Urza, prince of kroog]]. I tend to hold up all my mana to activate my commander and.... I just use it cause it's thematic.
I try to use it on a person when it's not their turn. It doesn't slow the game down that much.
Also I've noticed when I use it people are more willing to talk about their plans of what they're going to do with their cards. It's not necessarily helpful but it's a great icebreaker to making plans to stop the biggest threat.
I hate it, just like [[Telepathy]]. MTG is a game of incomplete information, this is one of the key factors that make it fun. Having to guess what others have in hand and make calculated decisions based on whatever information you have available at any given moment, playing with hands revealed takes that away.
Glasses of Urza is banned in our group. It is unsportsmanlike defeating an aspect of the game that affords a bluff. Getting a peek at a single card here and there is one thing, the entire hand is too much.
I do not troll. Our group had discussions about many cards and fashioned an environment that we could all feel merely moderately uncomfortable in and have fun. The Glasses spoil fun, we decided. The question prompted how people feel about it.
Yep. We collectively agreed that forced discard, color hosing, and land destruction is unsportsmanlike. There's plenty of room to wreak havoc and have fun without blocking people from playing.
Things got really nasty in the 90s and we sat down and tried to figure out why we weren't having fun and hammered out mutually agreed upon standards.
We decided that we didn't like Mothership's declared formats. Early on, players were encouraged to play the game the way they want to. So we still do.
Not telling anyone else what is right, I was just responding to regards of Glasses of Urza.
If you're having fun, carry on!
Be well.
Likewise.
Okay, it's your turn. Boom. You can't play. Fun, right? Carry on with that philosophy.
The point of a game is people gather around to play. Moves that prevent play block the sport.
A counterspell here or there isn't an issue. Being denied the ability to play a card at all isn't right by the lights of some. Not everything is sacred. Some of it is crap.
Like a counterspell, a one time instance might not be objectionable. Ability to repeatedly view players' hands is objectionable.
If I get a chance to post our play rules, I hope to do so. We have had much fun playing this game.
I really don't understand why this card would make someone salty. You're just looking at the cards in their hand. It's a little cumbersome in a 4 player game, and if you're annoying when you play it (let me slowly write down every card in your hand), then I can see why people would get salty, but if just looking at someone's hand makes them salty, then quite frankly I want nothing to do with playing with that person.
According to outlaws it is a crime.
lol nice
Yup, picked up a copy for my new Marchesa deck
Using my xray glasses? Crimes. Calling down the [[damnation]] of the divine to destroy a thousand innocent squirrels in petty vengence? Not a crime
[damnation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d3c0aac5-b9f1-4446-bfea-3e1dd1cf1f2f.jpg?1673147492) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=damnation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/73/damnation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d3c0aac5-b9f1-4446-bfea-3e1dd1cf1f2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damnation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Monotheistic religion in a nutshell for you there... :)
Gotta love that interaction is a "crime" in edh. Sometimes it feels like WOTC really does know their audience 🤣🤣🤣
> and if you're annoying when you play it (let me slowly write down every card in your hand) Yeah this is key for me. Quick look, absolutely fine. But the longer it goes the worse it gets.
Keep a pair of fake glasses that you put on to inspect their hand
I would never be that person, mainly use it for key moments to see if someone has a counterspell or sometime that prevents me from doing something big.
We have phones, take a picture, why are we writing stuff down?
You should be good then imo!
Yup. Use it to see if opponent has counterspell? No problem. Use it every time I draw a card with untaps and constantly writing down and cross referencing every card in everyone’s hand? Yeah that’s annoying, but that has nothing to do with the card itself and everything to do with the person using it.
It would be going into a crime deck as an easy outlet for committing crime!!
Heck yeah do it
Wait. That's illegal
If you’re talking about writing notes, it is legal. You’re allowed to write notes and refer to them, even in tournament magic, during a game. You just can’t bring in outside notes. This is pretty much how most tournament players play. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr2-11/
If.you are taking the time to write down every card in my hand then you are already taking this game far more competitive than i.am and I'm already now considering scooping because this is going to be a drag on my time, patience, and enjoyment.
The way I see it is, if just me knowing your hand gets you salty, wait until I tell you you might as well reveal it to save waiting for me to tell everyone else what they are too.
Privileged information. This gets you thrown out and banned from competitive events.
Not sure where this false impression comes from because Gitaxian Probe gets played all the time in cEDH and there's no case of a person being thrown out for telling someone else "[x player] has [y card] in their hand". If I'm allowed to know it I'm allowed to share it. The person doesn't have to show anyone but me their hand if I request for them to, but if they're not going to there's no rule against me just telling the other 2 people.
I stand corrected. Though tbh, I would be angry enough to fight someone for actually doing it.
Although he could tell another player not to cast a big spell, because you have a counterspell, even if that's not true. Or tell them he can cast it, because you don't have a counter, even if you do.
I wouldn't damage my credibility like that over a game outcome. Even in cEDH, it becomes known you do that type of stuff and you lose your ability to politic and keep the goodwill of everyone else at the table. They'll elim you first if its a tiebreaker between you and someone actually trustworthy.
100% agreed. I just pointed out, that you technically CAN do it. (Although you probably shouldn't)
That says WAY more about you then it would about someone along that.
Whew, good thing we are all in the EDH subreddit discussing an implicitly casual format (I don't think sharing information is prohibited regardless). If someone was playing EDH in a competitive event, I sure hope they got fired for that blunder.
Here’s the real 200 IQ play. It says “target player”, not “target opponent”. Use it to check and see if you have a response to an opponent’s spell.
"in response I tap glasses to look at my own hand" "You… what?"
“Hold on, I need to see if I have a response.” *tap the glasses, stare intently at hand* “Nope, go ahead!”
Just plan ahead to [[mindslaver]] yourself before you do this.
[mindslaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/00d03b17-75ae-40d2-8570-b219ef0dfd4a.jpg?1562813960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mindslaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/176/mindslaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/00d03b17-75ae-40d2-8570-b219ef0dfd4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mindslaver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[glasses of Urza]]
[glasses of Urza](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4bd9f45f-30b3-4bff-9fd3-9a71137ac741.jpg?1562912735) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=glasses%20of%20Urza) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/203/glasses-of-urza?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4bd9f45f-30b3-4bff-9fd3-9a71137ac741?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glasses-of-urza) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If it’s legal, full steam ahead… if people think it’s unfair, they can add one to their deck.
I like the way you think
It's literally a crime
🤣
I literally found two copies of this that were tossed in the chaff bucket where I play a few weeks back. I laughed (because I played it when it was new) and showed it to two other players. One was a newbie who thought it would be awesome in a deck they were building (because it is an awesome card), and the other was a hipster who grabbed it for the lulz. I've played with [[Telepathy]] and it didn't get (much) salt because their hands were equally exposed. I haven't built anything with Glasses yet, but I may drop it into my [[Talrand]] counterspell tribal deck because salt is the main dish for that one. I'd say add it and see what happens. Use it politically and not selfishly, if someone has an obvious threat or wincon in hand make sure the other players are at least prepared for something to happen. Don't play spoiler. Be a Cassandra and warn of (general) impending doom, and let the bad guy be the bad guy.
[Telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) [Talrand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1be3ed47-072e-481a-b3d9-dc232ac4b24f.jpg?1712354218) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=talrand%2C%20sky%20summoner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/116/talrand-sky-summoner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1be3ed47-072e-481a-b3d9-dc232ac4b24f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/talrand-sky-summoner) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Might I point out [[Revelations]] from Legends? EVERYONE plays with their hand revealed
Got it, but haven't played it yet. I'll need to think about what kind of deck it would work in.
Talrands art is really awesome.
It’s an excellent crime enabler that I’ll most definitely be putting in [[Marchesa, Dealer of Death]] whenever I get around to building her
That's my thought exactly! I have a mardu crime deck that it would go perfectly into.
[Marchesa, Dealer of Death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/ee29b59c-d57c-4a03-bae7-e9dfa57d6bb1.jpg?1712356159) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marchesa%2C%20Dealer%20of%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/220/marchesa-dealer-of-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ee29b59c-d57c-4a03-bae7-e9dfa57d6bb1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marchesa-dealer-of-death) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I built the new [[Gisa, the Hellraiser]] recently and glasses of urza was one of the cards I was most excited to put in the deck. I’m notorious in my playgroups for my [[Talrand, Sky Summoner]] one mana cantrips deck and I run all the blue look at someone’s hand spells 🤣 My playgroup honestly gets a kick out of those effects so I have only seen the exact opposite of salty response to these types of effects
[Gisa, the Hellraiser](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db7c07b2-02b2-4e62-bf1b-4848e06eec28.jpg?1712355592) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gisa%2C%20the%20Hellraiser) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/89/gisa-the-hellraiser?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db7c07b2-02b2-4e62-bf1b-4848e06eec28?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gisa-the-hellraiser) [Talrand, Sky Summoner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1be3ed47-072e-481a-b3d9-dc232ac4b24f.jpg?1712354218) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Talrand%2C%20Sky%20Summoner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/116/talrand-sky-summoner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1be3ed47-072e-481a-b3d9-dc232ac4b24f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/talrand-sky-summoner) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So, I personally don't sympathize with most of the things that people get salty over (other than non parity breaking chaos, that's just boring, it's not salty, but if I enjoyed pure randomness I'd just "play" war, but if you have a wincon and break parity go off), but this does not seem like the kind of thing that even a lot of the people with really restrictive metas would be salty over. From a social standpoint, as long as, if someone doesn't want you to touch their cards they can just show you, I think this should be totally fine.
STOP COMMITING CRIMES (by the mtg rules)
[[Telepathy]] lets you see everyone’s cards all the time
Yea, that wouldn't be the goal. It's more of a committing a crime outlet and social threat, I don't actually care what anyone has in their hand. It's the threat of their hand getting revealed to the entire table that I want to leverage.
It doesn’t though. You can look at them, and the opponent can choose to reveal them if they want but it’s not a forced reveal. You can tell another player what you’ve seen but they are also then able to deny that and it’s up to the other person to decide who to believe.
That's what I'm looking for, to encourage more social engagement and strategy.
Oh yeah, Heard that, I was confused by how you worded it as “reveal” is a specific thing in MTG and the card doesn’t reveal their hand but specifically lets you, alone, look at it.
When I said reveal, I more ment call out what they have in their hand. They can then move to confirm or deny based on what they want. I can use it to bluff and force people into situations that favor myself. I understand that only I see the cards and that I can't force anyone to show their hand to the table.
[Telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'd be happy to see it. Isn't that part of the fun of EDH? Tens of thousands of cards, so almost anything can happen in a game. If you leverage some politics out of it, all the better.
My thoughts exactly.It seems like a great social interaction card
MVP for [[Nebuchadnezzar]]
Oh that's just bullying hahaha
[Nebuchadnezzar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/e/1e50afb3-cf9f-4ce3-91ff-84f99860c181.jpg?1562901363) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nebuchadnezzar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/162/nebuchadnezzar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1e50afb3-cf9f-4ce3-91ff-84f99860c181?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nebuchadnezzar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's a crime, so good in crime decks
You should play the cards that you like and not worry about what others think of them. ____________________ My opinion on the card is that it's cool and funny, but that it's too shitty. It's also not something that would bother me (what bothers me is Simic Breathing Tribal, 5 color good stuff, copy & paste top 20 EDHREC decks, etc., not stax, MLD, or stuff like this.) Firstly, it doesn't do anything inherently, knowing your opponent has something doesn't necessarily mean you can play around it. Secondly it only reveals one person's hand at a time. I would play [[Telepathy]] or [[Revelation]] instead if I really wanted to play one of these effects.
[Telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) [Revelation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d467517a-1e6f-4c1f-adb5-bf60df1284e2.jpg?1587912548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Revelation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chr/68/revelation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d467517a-1e6f-4c1f-adb5-bf60df1284e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/revelation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My goal would be to use it as a threat to expose a players hand to the table. It would be more for the social aspect of the game.
Another thing about the Glasses is that you're not allowed to physically reveal the cards to other players. You're allowed to audibly tell everyone what is in that player's hand, but they'd have to believe you. Telepathy or Revelation would do a better job at it.
Breathing Tribal?
After ten minutes of furiously making land drops and extra turns the Simic player pauses... - I think I have the win ... 20 minutes later, breathing heavily, deck nearly exhausted... - Didn't I already draw Labman? ... Another 3 minutes shifting trough the 30 card hand. - Where's everyone?
"If I breathe, I get value"
Ahh, now I'm following. Yeah, Simic does silly things a lot of the time.
It's one of the reasons that Simic is my least favorite (casual) color pair. Everything they do just passively generates value, and they get access to excellent stack interaction for is you ever try to stop their value engines. Everything else has a personality and pros/cons. Simic just says they're good at everything, and No You Can't Do That.
I suspect that Ux is generally disliked for similar reasons, but especially Simic (Breathing Tribal)/Azorius ("No, You Can't" Tribal), then Izzet (15 minutes of trying to squeeze out one more draw for their storm), then lastly Dimir.
See, I like everything blue does EXCEPT the countermagic (except in high-power pods). So I play (among others) mono blue aggro-drawpower [[Grazilaxx]], Azorius tap-down control [[Hylda]], and for cEDH [[Niv-Mizzet Parun]]. Simic, though, is the least reasonable of the UX combos, because it abuses casual play's allowance of land ramp as "fair magic." It's way too consistent, and always plays the exact same way. Play lands, draw cards, and probably get +1/+1 counters. Until you just overwhelm opponents. It's got all the wonderful options that blue had to offer, and uses them to play and protect the lamest green fatties that they can. Not fun.
What if I play Sultai instead? Zimone and Dina for the win.
See, you're still doing the same thing, but choking some poor token out to do it. It's slightly more flavorful, and requires a BIT more thought, but you're still being rewarded for drawing cards... And you're still passively ramping constantly. As cool as that pairing (and that art!!), I don't think you get a pass. That's just Simic with extra steps.
No, no, no. See it's Simic with Torment and Hailfire, and Villianous Welath. It's MUCH worse.
I stand corrected. It IS much worse. And yet better. Since you're using the ramp/cards to actually DO things other than spin wheels that spin other wheels that spin other wheels, I think you might actually be onto something. Also, the more of those black tech pieces and wincons you're playing, the fewer slots you have for the conventional Simic countermagic package. Bravo, sir, I think you've swayed me.
Yeah I don't need to draw my whole deck to win. The inclusion of black allows for things like [[Murkwood Bats]] and [[Avenger of Zendikar]] / [[Awaken the Woods]] to blow up the table. It's gota quite a few wincons that I can reach much sooner than in 15 minutes.
What if I play Sultai breathing tribal?
It's completely fine and not even a problem; looking at someone's hand is like a basic thing that has existed forever in Magic! Hell, Glasses doesn't even make you discard a card after they've looked at your hand like so many black spells can. I've played Glasses and bluffed that the opponent had a board wipe in hand when I was trying to dissuade another opponent from dumping creatures onto the board, and ya know what, it worked! Until they drew into their board protection spell and then it was GG, green gonna do green things.
I think it's hilarious, I bought a copy just because it seemed like a funny annoyance. "Hey what did you just draw?" "I'm not telling you" (Taps glasses) "no, what did you draw?"
I've found that Telepathy will draw lots of heat but Glasses of Urza do not. But it's probably not worth a slot. It is fun though.
I have a love hate relationship with telepathy
Telepathy often creates stalemates. where nobody wants to play stuff. Its a cool effect at face value i dont like the dynamic it brings to the table
It's terrible. However, it is a funny cheap crime engine for the commanders who care about committing crimes, particularly Marchesa. Particularly the ones that only trigger once per turn.
I don’t know 100% why this would be problematic. Is it the repeatable nature of the ability? I have plenty of blue one-mana cantrips that do the same thing
It's more of the social aspect/threat of the card. It's not particularly good gameplay wise, but socially, I think it would be a hilarious add to a deck that commits crimes.
I completely agree with you! I say, go for it
It funny haha card.
Funny , ha ha, card go into funny ha ha deck?
I mean, I have a MLD deck in main rotation so salt away.
Just run [[Telepathy]] and be a true degenerate
[Telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Revelation]] is funnier [[telepathy]] in green
[Revelation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d467517a-1e6f-4c1f-adb5-bf60df1284e2.jpg?1587912548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Revelation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chr/68/revelation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d467517a-1e6f-4c1f-adb5-bf60df1284e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/revelation) [telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just picked this card up to commit crimes with for Gisa hellraiser
Repeatable crime prescription my planeswalker. Just target players in turn order, by highest life total, most cards in hand, etc. Use it politically, if possible. Bonus points if you can untap it each turn.
A little less annoying as [[Telepathy]] which I own a copy of, which I played once on turn 1, which drew so much hate the group politicked it outside of the pod. In casual, targeting needs context. If you’re picking on the lagging player or swinging at the person who is sitting in a pile of their own bad luck with 3 lands on round 6 just for attack triggers and hitting for 2 damage, it can be a bit dickish. Trying to gain advantage over the perceived threat? Go nuts. Down to 1v1? Slap down that telepathy or whatever. Casual magic is about everyone having fun overall. I’d play it and if your regular group doesn’t like it, bounce it. If it’s the meanest thing in your casual deck, I wouldn’t worry in any case. If it’s sitting along telepathy, [[winter orb]] [[torpor orb]] [[stasis]] [[static orb]] etc in a deck then you’re already a sociopath (me too) so “send it” as the kids say.
I wouldn't mind it so long as it's not slowing the game down a ton. There's probably fun(?) to be had in lying about what you see. Similar vibes: \[\[Telepathy\]\] and \[\[Revelation\]\] are a lot less work. \[\[Zur's Weirding\]\] is a lot more work, in a different way.
I play it in [[isperia, the inscrutable]]. I can't say I would play it in most other decks, but I also can't imagine it being salty.
[isperia, the inscrutable](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2b365b0-6949-41d2-be60-eb2162b1f882.jpg?1593273629) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isperia%20the%20Inscrutable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dis/114/isperia-the-inscrutable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2b365b0-6949-41d2-be60-eb2162b1f882?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/isperia-the-inscrutable) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oooh I like that
It's just not a great card. It may have a better use in 1v1 edh or 2headed giant, but not by much. Most people that play this have no clue what to do with the information it gives, so it ends up dragging out turns. I'm never salty about it but it's one of those things where I kinda roll my eyes and go "k?".
the only annoying thing would be the amount of time. reading there cards once is fine. re looking at everyone's hand every turn in addition to whenever a new card is drawn would be very annoying.
Nah, I wouldn't do that, that's lame.
One guy in my pod has been running a copy in one of his decks for the past decade or so as a joke. Turns out to be quite effective!
I'm just here to be a general menace to society
Oh Hell yeah! I approve!
You're taking up a slot in your deck that does nothing mechanically to stop your opponents. There's no real reason to be bothered by it. Could be some of your opponents feel like they can only win if people don't see their wincon/protection spell coming?
It's possible. I'm a bit oversensitive of others' feelings sometimes. I just want everyone to come away from the game feeling good.
Omg ignore that response please for the love of god DO include cards that do nothing but make you giggle a little.
Oh, it'll make me giggle, alright
I feel like it’s a significantly worse version of [[Telepathy]]. The only reasons I could see running it instead would be if you’re not in Blue, if you have artifact synergies, or if you have crime synergies.
[Telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel like it would be more useful if you knew how your opponents' decks work, rather than an unfamiliar deck in a pick-up game. Not to say it couldn't still be usefull in some cases otherwise.
I love using it primarily in my [[Urza, prince of kroog]]. I tend to hold up all my mana to activate my commander and.... I just use it cause it's thematic. I try to use it on a person when it's not their turn. It doesn't slow the game down that much. Also I've noticed when I use it people are more willing to talk about their plans of what they're going to do with their cards. It's not necessarily helpful but it's a great icebreaker to making plans to stop the biggest threat.
[Urza, prince of kroog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a7329cd-95af-4d71-984f-f5f28982520c.jpg?1674421895) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%2C%20prince%20of%20kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/226/urza-prince-of-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a7329cd-95af-4d71-984f-f5f28982520c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urza-prince-of-kroog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I hate it, just like [[Telepathy]]. MTG is a game of incomplete information, this is one of the key factors that make it fun. Having to guess what others have in hand and make calculated decisions based on whatever information you have available at any given moment, playing with hands revealed takes that away.
[Telepathy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf.jpg?1561995744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Telepathy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/74/telepathy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce03b4b4-612b-4fc9-b063-b0d367712eaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/telepathy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Interesting perspective thank you for sharing
Glasses of Urza is banned in our group. It is unsportsmanlike defeating an aspect of the game that affords a bluff. Getting a peek at a single card here and there is one thing, the entire hand is too much.
I feel like this is probably just some quality trolling lol
I do not troll. Our group had discussions about many cards and fashioned an environment that we could all feel merely moderately uncomfortable in and have fun. The Glasses spoil fun, we decided. The question prompted how people feel about it.
😂 did you ban [[deep cavern bat]]?
[deep cavern bat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69c68c95-b788-43b1-9f22-1b22c5a00b25.jpg?1699044121) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deep-Cavern%20Bat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/102/deep-cavern-bat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69c68c95-b788-43b1-9f22-1b22c5a00b25?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deep-cavern-bat) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That card would automatically violate table rules by messing with an opponent's hand. Specific ban is unnecessary as it crosses the hand rule.
So is thoughtseize banned in your group? How is it unsportsmanlike to play a card that was printed by wizards and is legal in the format?
Yep. We collectively agreed that forced discard, color hosing, and land destruction is unsportsmanlike. There's plenty of room to wreak havoc and have fun without blocking people from playing. Things got really nasty in the 90s and we sat down and tried to figure out why we weren't having fun and hammered out mutually agreed upon standards. We decided that we didn't like Mothership's declared formats. Early on, players were encouraged to play the game the way they want to. So we still do. Not telling anyone else what is right, I was just responding to regards of Glasses of Urza. If you're having fun, carry on! Be well.
Im picturing your playgroup as 4 people sitting at a table, each person playing the exact same krenko deck
Forced discard is unsportsmanlike? Good to know you don’t have any idea what good sportsmanship is lol
Likewise. Okay, it's your turn. Boom. You can't play. Fun, right? Carry on with that philosophy. The point of a game is people gather around to play. Moves that prevent play block the sport. A counterspell here or there isn't an issue. Being denied the ability to play a card at all isn't right by the lights of some. Not everything is sacred. Some of it is crap.
Forced discard? Totally get you with land destruction but force discarding it a pretty massive strategy to remove. Is milling also banned?
Womp womp
You do know there are three opponents in a game right?
I think dude forgot the /s at the end
The number of opponents are not relevant. I was just relating the conclusion that some players arrived at.
I bet giraxian probe and peek are also banned in your playgroup.
Like a counterspell, a one time instance might not be objectionable. Ability to repeatedly view players' hands is objectionable. If I get a chance to post our play rules, I hope to do so. We have had much fun playing this game.