The dark eldar codex section on incubus states something along the lines of "they can *almost* be trusted." Their tormentors are made by capturing and torturing soul stones until their screaming is constant.
They're not really that honourable.
The tomentors have nothing to do with incubi being trully loyal to their employees (unless the kabal leader says otherwise), which is more that what can be said for most eldars or humans.
Tormentors are just part of incubi training, before even becoming one they need to defeat an eldar aspect warrior and then torture its soulstone
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My favorite lore implication is that the guard and the Tau are the only races that aren't genetically perfected super soldiers.
Eldar: psychic race custom made for war
Green skins: bioweapon that reaches technological parity with the species it fights
Necrons: killer robots specifically designed to kill the precious two
Tyranids: all consuming murder machines designed to best defeat its food
Space marines: humanities genetic super soldiers
LoV: OK you got me here, genetically perfected prospectors, not super soldiers
Depends on what you mean by genetically perfected.
Humanity is "genetically perfected" by natural selection (or sometimes specific breeding programs) and/or DAoT genesplicing (in the case of abhumans like Ogyrn). Think of Catachan or Cadia, only the best of the best survive in situations like those long enough to pass on their genes (I know it's psudeoscience but this is 40k, psudeoscience is the name of the game). Sure, Guardsman Johnny from Agriworld Bumfuckigrad maybe never even held a rifle in his hands until being called up for service; but the "big boys" definitely have enough selection pressures that the average soldier is toting enough "Soldier Genes" to make Liquid Snake cream his pants.
Meanwhile, the T'au are definitely being selectively bred by the Ethereals for their duty. Aircaste are long and lanky, for example. Fire Caste are mentioned to be the strongest of the T'au (I think, I'm not into tau lore that much).
But yeah, a Space Marine may be a Monsanto-brand Golden Rice, but a Guardsman is your average "organic" ear of corn. Nothing specifically about it was altered, but [a lineage of selective breeding and pressures has produced an end result far different than it would have been otherwise](https://tdaynard.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/maize-teosinte.jpg)
>Aircaste are long and lanky, for example
Which is actually bad for pilots who will be performing high G manouvres, you want shorter pilots with the ability to highly constrict blood vessels to prevent blackouts.
Doesn't matter. Air caste are in lore explicitly able to withstand G forces far beyond the point that would kill other races.
*Humans* would want to be shorter. However tau biology differs in this respect clearly favours height for withstanding high G.
No, this is physics affecting the human body in a way that it might not affect an alien. *Humans* are killed by forcing blood in one direction or another causing significant variances in blood pressure. The tall alien species that can explicitly survive much greater G forces than a human can clearly has a biology that works differently.
The cool thing about a fictional setting is that IRL physics can be told to get stuffed and anything they write is how physics works for them; you don't get brownie points for showing up to the Star Trek convention and saying "um ackchually you cannot time travel by slingshotting around a sun" because they're time travelling to stop a killer robot blowing up the Earth by playing it whale sounds.
Coming up to X and saying "The neat part is that physics doesn’t care if you disagree" doesn't make you sound smart, it makes you sound like you can't differentiate the rules of fiction with the rules of reality; and that you want us to congratulate you on knowing rudimentary physics.
Looking for imaginary validation points because the lore for little army men that use magic powers and have shoulders the size of Mexico isn't scientifically accurate is kinda sadder NGL.
No, it's better if a species is vulnerable to blood pooling up one end of their body. If a species is vulnerable to that kind of blood pressure issue is down to biology.
"Humanity is genetically perfected by evolution"
I'm sorry what ? Evolution in general work under the rules of "good enough", and humanity is such an extreme example of it we border on the edge of being an answer to the question "how badly designed can something be while still working?"
And the few regiments that have better human than normal like catachan are a minority of the entire guard.
>"Humanity is genetically perfected by natural selection."
Yes, that's dumb. That's why I wrote:
>Depends on what you mean by genetically perfected.... Humanity is "genetically perfected" by natural selection (or sometimes specific breeding programs) and/or DAoT genesplicing (in the case of abhumans like Ogyrn).
Because I'm not saying it's **literally genetically perfected**, I'm saying that OP's theory that "everyone except Guard and T'au are modified to be the best fighters" can be extended to Guard and T'au just not from direct manipulation but survival pressures and eugenic breeding. That's why it's in quotation marks, it's a comparison to OP's thesis rather than a direct statement.
The whole "evolution means good enough" statement (which I do agree with, in part) gets trodden out so often that of course I've heard it before (and it's only part of evolution, not the bottom line).
My point was that Guard regiments *that are the posterboys of the Guard* (the actual playable factions) have either direct or indirect reasons for survival-of-the-best-Guardsman; they may not *literally* be supermen but they are definitely whittled down by combat (I was also making a half-joke since I was referencing Metal Gear Solid and the "soldier genes" and all that pseudoscience).
Cadia is obvious. 71.75% of the population were in the PDF or Guard; and considering their closeness to the Eye of Terror that comes with significant risk of death if you aren't up to snuff.
Catachan is also obvious; if you aren't good enough to escape the wildlife you get eaten.
Vostroyans send their Firstborn into the Guard, especially the nobility. Considering the "lasguns as antiques" we have some precedence that the ones that survive live to pass on their genes (and the nobles/rich among the survivors are the ones that inherit the land/money/titles/etc).
Death Korps of Krieg are literal ~~Les Enfants Terribles,~~ ~~strandcasts~~ vat-grown clones.
And then you have regiments that have non-genetic pressures like the Chemdogs or Penal Legions that ensures the Guards you're getting are the "best of the best"; natural selection by another name essentially (at least, in terms of sources of Guards if not reproduction).
Are they the source majority of Guardsmen in-universe? Probably not. But they're the ones we engage with and have stories of; the Ultramarines are "one Chapter" but they're a fantastically important Chapter. Likewise, Cadia and the other Big Boys can be taken as representative by virtue of the fact that GW made them *to* represent Guardsmen.
Obviously not every regiment is set up like that, like I said Bumfuckigrad calling up conscripts will most likely get randos of all shapes and sizes; but the *posterboy regiments* recruit from cultures that are *specifically designed* (whether through genetics, survival-of-the-fittest, or just plain old "top dog" mentality) to produce a populace more suited to the Guard than the average world. Even if it's a 0.0000000001% difference, its still a difference (I'm **not saying this is a fact** because I haven't searched it but the theory is what applies; my friend claims that Irish people genetically have an outlier resistance to malaria, which is partially why Irish missionaries into hotter climes have an easier time adjusting; again I'm not saying **that that** is a fact just that this random unguided mutation occured; now imagine Ireland is swarmed with mosquitos and suddenly you have a LOT more selection pressure to produce a population with a resistance. Assume that the Irish Government is sending people to mosquito island on purpose, and those resistant are more likely to survive and mek bebies and suddenly boom, Irish Mosquito Hunters are a thing).
Guardsman "evolution" isn't "Humans should have wings because they'd be the bestest at everything" kind of unguided "race to the top". It's the same kind of selection bias driven by humanity that turned wolves (angry boyos who will eat your face alive) into dogs (happy good boys who will eat your face with licks because they're so adorable omg).
Compare that to Star Wars where your average Stormtrooper could easily be from a million different worlds with no real selection bias on the same scale; **that** difference is my point.
If you're gonna "Um, ackchually" then at least "Um, ackchually" what I *actually* wrote. Or don't trod out the "Youtubers first big-brain moment about evolution" in that "Fittest doesn't mean best it means most able to survive with least energy expenditure" as if it's even *related* to Warhammer where populations have adapted to environments in weird freaking ways (like Ogryn, or Ratlings).
> Necrons: killer robots specifically designed to kill the precious two
I thought it was the other way round? The orks and eldar were made to whack da dead gits?
Correction --> Necrons: \*silence\*
That's right, most Necrons got their souls sucked by the superior beings they served. So loser (literally, losers of your own souls) yourselves, *losers* !
\- A loyal Guardsman.
Filthy xenos killing filthy (and heavily weakened) xenos gods. A problem solving itself !
As for the Pokeball bit, not gonna lie, it souds dop-\*BLAM\*
The C'tan had just finished consuming their own kin, which makes them stronger.
Though fewer in number the remaining C'tan were at their absolute peak when the Necrons destroyed them.
Yeah, the Ctan were the strongest they'd ever been when the Necrons killed them, they just had a vicious case of the itis from all the Ctan they just ate.
Edit: Perhaps he meant weak as in there were only a handful of them left instead of however many there were before they all ate each other. Weak in numbers.
>The Ctan were not weakened when the Necrons betrayed them
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
The C'tan were weakened by infighting + a little event called "The War in Heaven", where they spent most of their energy to achieve victory against the Old Ones. You missed that pivotal event or ? Did you think that the Necrons managed to beat fully powered Star Gods ? Haha ! Yeah, no, they are not that strong. They won because they backstabbed their gods at their weakest.
It's from the 8th edition Necron codex btw.
I mean gosh, I get it, "Muh Necrons Da StroNgeSt" but, c'mon, being capable of defeating heavily weakened gods while they were not suspecting a backstab is still good enough y'know.
I mean most Necrons literally had their souls eaten by star gods and were intentionally made mute and stupid by their kings who wanted a legion of slaves to do their bidding.
And before that, Necron serfs were literally so expendable that their society was built on sacrificing them. Well, technically nobles are also sacrificed, but there's a *lot* more of the lower caste.
They could be talking about Ynnead, but he’s not really aware and functional. He doesn’t “think twice” about letting them die because he isn’t really aware of anything. Though as a death god he might approve of them dying if he was awake, hard to say. The only Eldar god who is out there doing stuff in any meaningful way is Cegorach, who canonically goes to bat against Slaanesh to save his followers’ souls.
Once again Simp-erials are mad that our god loves us. I invite them all to cope and seethe
They don't pray to the gods now as they're all dead, the do summon Khaine and he doesn't care about the Eldar but they don't really serve him.
Ynnead isn't alive yet, and also actively seems to care about Eldar as he keeps them from being eaten by Slaanesh.
Cegorach regularly fights Slaanesh for the souls of his followers.
So most of the Eldar greater beings seem to care or aren't followed really.
Harlequins: My god will actively fight alongside me in certain circumstances and if I die, will fight Slaanesh and steal my soul from her for safekeeping
Cegorach ftw
Harlequins are kind of annoying though. They appear, spend a minimum of 2 pages bloviating, then disappear without progressing the plot.
Shut up about whatever play you think you’re performing and just do something already! 😑🙄
Ah but see the bloviating *was* the plot progression, you just need the 7th-dimensional giga brain possessed by every member of the troupe to understand it!/s
But what about the 8th-dimensional underwater reverse-backgammon that The Emperor played that predicted every word and the color of the socks of the Eldar that uttered them?
Checkmate Xenos lover. 😎
Tau or elder are best choice chaos and imperium are the worst.
With chaos being the worst due to the eye of terror getting a 0/10 on trip adviser. Necron and dark elder are asshole plain and simple one killed the equivalent of the forerunnners and the other ruined the galaxy.
I do wish our avatar of khaine wasn’t a push over tho.
Oh yeah forgot orks and nids I personally think orks are the best due the amount of Dakka and attitude towards the galaxy aka loving it and nids are meh… personally they bore me as you can’t really have a story about them being interesting characters.
Only if you don’t have a spirit stone however if you do it can be put into a craft world infinity circuit to give you a better after life when compared to what would’ve awaited you, if you don’t have one then yes your fucked have fun getting vote by slanesh.
It's a very fragile afterlife, though. If anything happens like, say, an invasion by Imperials, Chaos, Tyranid, Orks, Dark Eldar, etc, the infinity circuit could end up being shattered and your soul tossed into the waiting jaws of Slaneesh.
Too busy gettin' stuck in ta sit on dere ... what's the "orky" word for "ass" ... bum? let's go with 'bum' ... sittin' on dere bumz finkin' 'bout daft fings wot don' matta!
The Tau do think twice though? They pretty clearly view casualties with a ‘realistic’ mindset to how we do given their mission, and do a lot to prevent them.
It's just like real life. Nothings perfect, you can pick a hole in anything. Yet we still have people acting like someone or something's shit doesn't stink IRL. Point being, "there are no good guys" is as cold a take as sidewalk diarrhea.
Stop it.
"There are no good guys" is also an incorrect take. There are plenty of good guys. The universe is full of good guys. But they're constantly being ground into the dirt, and the factions they find themselves a part of are usually pretty fucking bad. That's the grimdarkness of it all. If literally every single man, woman, child, bug, fungus, robot, and fish was evil, who would care if any of them killed each other?
Even then there's going to be people nitpicking that good guy. Oh, they did x or y or whatever, they're TRASH like the rest. It's tired. Nothing less than a Mary Sue will do.
Tau ethereal caste
When did commanders ever value IG lives
Eldar actually eldar are pretty focused on sacrificing others instead of themselves so yeah you’re right there
Tyranids are the roach under the bench
Tyranids took the picture
Can confirm, I was the camera
Can also confirm, the guardsman was tasty
And that Guardsman? Albert Einstein
"I don't like how he ate half the squad afterwards, but that was the nicest dang Carnifex I've ever met!"
The only non-hypocrite here is the Drukhari
I dunno man, a superior being who would sacrifice him in a heartbeat sounds alot like vect or any other archon.
Maybe the point is they are aware of it/ expect it?
Most deldar dont fight for Vect, they fight for themselves & their benefit/core if honor
> vect or **any other archon.** Also, lol, Drukhari, honour.
The incubi fight loyalky for anyone that can hire them, they are pretty honorable by 40k standards
The dark eldar codex section on incubus states something along the lines of "they can *almost* be trusted." Their tormentors are made by capturing and torturing soul stones until their screaming is constant. They're not really that honourable.
The tomentors have nothing to do with incubi being trully loyal to their employees (unless the kabal leader says otherwise), which is more that what can be said for most eldars or humans. Tormentors are just part of incubi training, before even becoming one they need to defeat an eldar aspect warrior and then torture its soulstone
Hello Leaf Lover! Rock And Stone!
Drukhari are definitely not leaf lovers Unless that leaf is a narcotic
> Unless that leaf is a narcotic What about if it's necrotic?
They'd fuck it.
Then it would be erotic.
An erotic narcotic if you would
That’s it lads! Rock and Stone!
Rock and roll and stone!
Good Bot.
And For Karl!
# FAH KARL!!!
ROCK AND STONE!
Orks.
Meanwhile orks “OI? WOT’Z OLL DEZE GITZ DOIN IN DA SAME ROOM? WHY AIN’T DEY KRUMPIN’ EACHOVA??”
BETTA YET, WHY IZNT WE KRUMPIN DEM? GET READY TO WAAGH LADZ!
WAAAAAAAGH!
"OI! WARBOSS! WHY'Z WE FIGHTIN' DEEZ GITZ?" "WOT!? WE'Z FIGHTIN' BECAUZE WE'Z ORKZ, DATZ WHY!" "OH YEAH! I FORGOT! WAAAGH!" "WAAAGH!"
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gork and mork would ABSOLUTELY let you die without a second thought for a good fight
Yup. It doesn’t matter. None of it matters. You just pick your favourite chess pieces and have at it.
My favorite lore implication is that the guard and the Tau are the only races that aren't genetically perfected super soldiers. Eldar: psychic race custom made for war Green skins: bioweapon that reaches technological parity with the species it fights Necrons: killer robots specifically designed to kill the precious two Tyranids: all consuming murder machines designed to best defeat its food Space marines: humanities genetic super soldiers LoV: OK you got me here, genetically perfected prospectors, not super soldiers
Depends on what you mean by genetically perfected. Humanity is "genetically perfected" by natural selection (or sometimes specific breeding programs) and/or DAoT genesplicing (in the case of abhumans like Ogyrn). Think of Catachan or Cadia, only the best of the best survive in situations like those long enough to pass on their genes (I know it's psudeoscience but this is 40k, psudeoscience is the name of the game). Sure, Guardsman Johnny from Agriworld Bumfuckigrad maybe never even held a rifle in his hands until being called up for service; but the "big boys" definitely have enough selection pressures that the average soldier is toting enough "Soldier Genes" to make Liquid Snake cream his pants. Meanwhile, the T'au are definitely being selectively bred by the Ethereals for their duty. Aircaste are long and lanky, for example. Fire Caste are mentioned to be the strongest of the T'au (I think, I'm not into tau lore that much). But yeah, a Space Marine may be a Monsanto-brand Golden Rice, but a Guardsman is your average "organic" ear of corn. Nothing specifically about it was altered, but [a lineage of selective breeding and pressures has produced an end result far different than it would have been otherwise](https://tdaynard.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/maize-teosinte.jpg)
Didn't tau always have the separate physical variants? like before they even made it to space
Yeah. IIRC Air Caste had wings which they then evolved out of as they became pilots.
>Aircaste are long and lanky, for example Which is actually bad for pilots who will be performing high G manouvres, you want shorter pilots with the ability to highly constrict blood vessels to prevent blackouts.
Doesn't matter. Air caste are in lore explicitly able to withstand G forces far beyond the point that would kill other races. *Humans* would want to be shorter. However tau biology differs in this respect clearly favours height for withstanding high G.
> However tau biology differs in this respect clearly favours height for withstanding high G. This isn’t a human or alien thing, this is physics.
No, this is physics affecting the human body in a way that it might not affect an alien. *Humans* are killed by forcing blood in one direction or another causing significant variances in blood pressure. The tall alien species that can explicitly survive much greater G forces than a human can clearly has a biology that works differently.
Between the same species shorter will always be better for high G tolerance. The neat part is that physics doesn’t care if you disagree.
The cool thing about a fictional setting is that IRL physics can be told to get stuffed and anything they write is how physics works for them; you don't get brownie points for showing up to the Star Trek convention and saying "um ackchually you cannot time travel by slingshotting around a sun" because they're time travelling to stop a killer robot blowing up the Earth by playing it whale sounds. Coming up to X and saying "The neat part is that physics doesn’t care if you disagree" doesn't make you sound smart, it makes you sound like you can't differentiate the rules of fiction with the rules of reality; and that you want us to congratulate you on knowing rudimentary physics.
Getting all bent out of shape that a writer goofed and someone dared to point it out is kinda sad NGL
Looking for imaginary validation points because the lore for little army men that use magic powers and have shoulders the size of Mexico isn't scientifically accurate is kinda sadder NGL.
No, it's better if a species is vulnerable to blood pooling up one end of their body. If a species is vulnerable to that kind of blood pressure issue is down to biology.
"Humanity is genetically perfected by evolution" I'm sorry what ? Evolution in general work under the rules of "good enough", and humanity is such an extreme example of it we border on the edge of being an answer to the question "how badly designed can something be while still working?" And the few regiments that have better human than normal like catachan are a minority of the entire guard.
>"Humanity is genetically perfected by natural selection." Yes, that's dumb. That's why I wrote: >Depends on what you mean by genetically perfected.... Humanity is "genetically perfected" by natural selection (or sometimes specific breeding programs) and/or DAoT genesplicing (in the case of abhumans like Ogyrn). Because I'm not saying it's **literally genetically perfected**, I'm saying that OP's theory that "everyone except Guard and T'au are modified to be the best fighters" can be extended to Guard and T'au just not from direct manipulation but survival pressures and eugenic breeding. That's why it's in quotation marks, it's a comparison to OP's thesis rather than a direct statement. The whole "evolution means good enough" statement (which I do agree with, in part) gets trodden out so often that of course I've heard it before (and it's only part of evolution, not the bottom line). My point was that Guard regiments *that are the posterboys of the Guard* (the actual playable factions) have either direct or indirect reasons for survival-of-the-best-Guardsman; they may not *literally* be supermen but they are definitely whittled down by combat (I was also making a half-joke since I was referencing Metal Gear Solid and the "soldier genes" and all that pseudoscience). Cadia is obvious. 71.75% of the population were in the PDF or Guard; and considering their closeness to the Eye of Terror that comes with significant risk of death if you aren't up to snuff. Catachan is also obvious; if you aren't good enough to escape the wildlife you get eaten. Vostroyans send their Firstborn into the Guard, especially the nobility. Considering the "lasguns as antiques" we have some precedence that the ones that survive live to pass on their genes (and the nobles/rich among the survivors are the ones that inherit the land/money/titles/etc). Death Korps of Krieg are literal ~~Les Enfants Terribles,~~ ~~strandcasts~~ vat-grown clones. And then you have regiments that have non-genetic pressures like the Chemdogs or Penal Legions that ensures the Guards you're getting are the "best of the best"; natural selection by another name essentially (at least, in terms of sources of Guards if not reproduction). Are they the source majority of Guardsmen in-universe? Probably not. But they're the ones we engage with and have stories of; the Ultramarines are "one Chapter" but they're a fantastically important Chapter. Likewise, Cadia and the other Big Boys can be taken as representative by virtue of the fact that GW made them *to* represent Guardsmen. Obviously not every regiment is set up like that, like I said Bumfuckigrad calling up conscripts will most likely get randos of all shapes and sizes; but the *posterboy regiments* recruit from cultures that are *specifically designed* (whether through genetics, survival-of-the-fittest, or just plain old "top dog" mentality) to produce a populace more suited to the Guard than the average world. Even if it's a 0.0000000001% difference, its still a difference (I'm **not saying this is a fact** because I haven't searched it but the theory is what applies; my friend claims that Irish people genetically have an outlier resistance to malaria, which is partially why Irish missionaries into hotter climes have an easier time adjusting; again I'm not saying **that that** is a fact just that this random unguided mutation occured; now imagine Ireland is swarmed with mosquitos and suddenly you have a LOT more selection pressure to produce a population with a resistance. Assume that the Irish Government is sending people to mosquito island on purpose, and those resistant are more likely to survive and mek bebies and suddenly boom, Irish Mosquito Hunters are a thing). Guardsman "evolution" isn't "Humans should have wings because they'd be the bestest at everything" kind of unguided "race to the top". It's the same kind of selection bias driven by humanity that turned wolves (angry boyos who will eat your face alive) into dogs (happy good boys who will eat your face with licks because they're so adorable omg). Compare that to Star Wars where your average Stormtrooper could easily be from a million different worlds with no real selection bias on the same scale; **that** difference is my point. If you're gonna "Um, ackchually" then at least "Um, ackchually" what I *actually* wrote. Or don't trod out the "Youtubers first big-brain moment about evolution" in that "Fittest doesn't mean best it means most able to survive with least energy expenditure" as if it's even *related* to Warhammer where populations have adapted to environments in weird freaking ways (like Ogryn, or Ratlings).
> Necrons: killer robots specifically designed to kill the precious two I thought it was the other way round? The orks and eldar were made to whack da dead gits?
Necrons: Get a load of these losers
Correction --> Necrons: \*silence\* That's right, most Necrons got their souls sucked by the superior beings they served. So loser (literally, losers of your own souls) yourselves, *losers* ! \- A loyal Guardsman.
We also killed said superior beings and use their remains like Pokémon. -A Necron Lord
Filthy xenos killing filthy (and heavily weakened) xenos gods. A problem solving itself ! As for the Pokeball bit, not gonna lie, it souds dop-\*BLAM\*
The Ctan were not weakened when the Necrons betrayed them, the Ctan we sharded by the necrons
Yeah no The C’tan were extremely weak post War in Heaven. It’s the only reason Necrons were able to take them down
The C'tan had just finished consuming their own kin, which makes them stronger. Though fewer in number the remaining C'tan were at their absolute peak when the Necrons destroyed them.
Yeah, the Ctan were the strongest they'd ever been when the Necrons killed them, they just had a vicious case of the itis from all the Ctan they just ate. Edit: Perhaps he meant weak as in there were only a handful of them left instead of however many there were before they all ate each other. Weak in numbers.
>The Ctan were not weakened when the Necrons betrayed them HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! The C'tan were weakened by infighting + a little event called "The War in Heaven", where they spent most of their energy to achieve victory against the Old Ones. You missed that pivotal event or ? Did you think that the Necrons managed to beat fully powered Star Gods ? Haha ! Yeah, no, they are not that strong. They won because they backstabbed their gods at their weakest. It's from the 8th edition Necron codex btw. I mean gosh, I get it, "Muh Necrons Da StroNgeSt" but, c'mon, being capable of defeating heavily weakened gods while they were not suspecting a backstab is still good enough y'know.
I thought it was them fighting each other that had weakened them?
Someone sad they can’t compete with the Tomb boys lmao.
Haha, nice comeback you filthy Terminator-wannabe enjoyer.
The vast majority of them are helpless automata fully under the control of literal Overlords
I fail to understand what's the problem -most 40k factions
Exactly
Doesn’t change the fact that most of the population are soulless unfeeling robots lol
You know what? You know what?!? YOU KNOW WHAT?!?!? Your right. Can’t really argue there.
Cool story, still souless husks of your former selves that got tricked by celestial swamp gas.
In their defense, the ones still capable of sentient thought admit that the C'tan tricked them. The Deceiver used to be called The Messenger.
Necrons: wait you guys are dying?
I mean most Necrons literally had their souls eaten by star gods and were intentionally made mute and stupid by their kings who wanted a legion of slaves to do their bidding.
And before that, Necron serfs were literally so expendable that their society was built on sacrificing them. Well, technically nobles are also sacrificed, but there's a *lot* more of the lower caste.
Not most, all. Even the nobles lost their souls, their brains were just copied onto their new... I don't know, hard drives?
Necrons: First time?
Necron: “Superior beings? You mean my car battery.”
"Hey, Guardsman, the Emperor would let you die without thinking twice!" Isn't that the point of the guard? To Die just to hold the line another day?
Yeah, the imperium is too busy fighting for survival to give a shit about every bit of meat in the grinder.
They’re in a bad spot, but not that bad. Honestly if any of the races besides the tyranids and eldar got their act together they’d take the galaxy.
Ah yes, the empire has to turn babies into flying robots on Terra hundreds of light years from literally any front because...why was that again?
Synthetic flesh and not real baby flesh is used in those. ... Not that it makes your point any less valid. The imperium is its own worthst enemy.
Who's the Craftworlders "superior being" in this context?
They could be talking about Ynnead, but he’s not really aware and functional. He doesn’t “think twice” about letting them die because he isn’t really aware of anything. Though as a death god he might approve of them dying if he was awake, hard to say. The only Eldar god who is out there doing stuff in any meaningful way is Cegorach, who canonically goes to bat against Slaanesh to save his followers’ souls. Once again Simp-erials are mad that our god loves us. I invite them all to cope and seethe
Cegorach was also very likely helping from behind the scenes a lot
well they used to,if not still do,pray to the old eldar warp entities there's also the harlequin that follow cegorach,and the ynnari following ynnead
They don't pray to the gods now as they're all dead, the do summon Khaine and he doesn't care about the Eldar but they don't really serve him. Ynnead isn't alive yet, and also actively seems to care about Eldar as he keeps them from being eaten by Slaanesh. Cegorach regularly fights Slaanesh for the souls of his followers. So most of the Eldar greater beings seem to care or aren't followed really.
Hubristic arrogance I suppose
Harlequins: My god will actively fight alongside me in certain circumstances and if I die, will fight Slaanesh and steal my soul from her for safekeeping Cegorach ftw
Harlequins are kind of annoying though. They appear, spend a minimum of 2 pages bloviating, then disappear without progressing the plot. Shut up about whatever play you think you’re performing and just do something already! 😑🙄
Ah but see the bloviating *was* the plot progression, you just need the 7th-dimensional giga brain possessed by every member of the troupe to understand it!/s
But what about the 8th-dimensional underwater reverse-backgammon that The Emperor played that predicted every word and the color of the socks of the Eldar that uttered them? Checkmate Xenos lover. 😎
This is why orks are the best
True. They are not fighting to the death because they think it some worthwhile sacrifice for a higher cause. They are just doing what they love to do.
ORKZ WE IZ DA BEST!
*Behold the Ork, fighting in order to become the superior being through challenge and victory.*
As the gods intended. 😎
Orks: "yes"
LOOK AT ALL DEM PUNY GITS KRUMPIN NOT FER THE JOY OF KRUMPIN BUT FER SUM UTHA PUNY GIT! BY GORK AND MORK, IT AIN’T RIGHT!
FUCKING FINALLY. So sick of the “My faction are the good guys!” memes.
That's the secret. The only good guys are the orks.
I disagree but they definitely are the only ones having a good time haha!
You’re not committing war crimes if almost all your kills are happy accidents 
Tau or elder are best choice chaos and imperium are the worst. With chaos being the worst due to the eye of terror getting a 0/10 on trip adviser. Necron and dark elder are asshole plain and simple one killed the equivalent of the forerunnners and the other ruined the galaxy. I do wish our avatar of khaine wasn’t a push over tho. Oh yeah forgot orks and nids I personally think orks are the best due the amount of Dakka and attitude towards the galaxy aka loving it and nids are meh… personally they bore me as you can’t really have a story about them being interesting characters.
No, you get your soul tortured for all eternity as Eldar not worth it.
Only if you don’t have a spirit stone however if you do it can be put into a craft world infinity circuit to give you a better after life when compared to what would’ve awaited you, if you don’t have one then yes your fucked have fun getting vote by slanesh.
It's a very fragile afterlife, though. If anything happens like, say, an invasion by Imperials, Chaos, Tyranid, Orks, Dark Eldar, etc, the infinity circuit could end up being shattered and your soul tossed into the waiting jaws of Slaneesh.
Just don’t die. Easy. Also, Harlequins.
Then you just have the necrons crash through the ceiling calling them a flesh bags
Average necron warrior: beep boop
What are either type of eldar doing there? They're assholes sure but the thought-bubble doesn't apply.
At least the guardsmen are aware of it
So are drukhari
But you see this one I chose has a society that I like so they are the good guys 😛
Always happy to see my man Hakon
Meanwhile, orks; “Hehe, stupid gitz following runtier, stupider gitz, wut kant enjoy a good scrap fer wut itz worf”
Orks on top rn as always
Orkz, GSC, and Tyranids living their best lives
Where my Orki boyz at?
Too busy gettin' stuck in ta sit on dere ... what's the "orky" word for "ass" ... bum? let's go with 'bum' ... sittin' on dere bumz finkin' 'bout daft fings wot don' matta!
Dat soundz smata dan anyting I’z understand but you’z probably rite!
I know very little abt warhammer lore but the tau have the cooler helmets so I pick them
Perfectly acceptable answer!
"greater good" mfs when i just want to shoot other aliens with my cool NERF weapons
Imotekh: "Go fuck yourself Szarekh"
Average Tyranid Warrior: *skreee*
Imagine having a god that doesn’t care. This comment made by Sigmar gang.
In the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, the whole point of the setting seems super difficult to grasp.
The Tau do think twice though? They pretty clearly view casualties with a ‘realistic’ mindset to how we do given their mission, and do a lot to prevent them.
An ethereal will kill any tau if that means he can survive
And that's why enclaves > ethereals! Fuck the power of the celestial caste!
They've pretty explicitly got an alien point of view on that though don't they? Any tau will also sacrifice themselves to save an ethereal.
And any guard would sacrifice themselves to save the emperor
This once again proves the Orks are the good guys. Or at the very least, they are the only happy species in the galaxy
It's just like real life. Nothings perfect, you can pick a hole in anything. Yet we still have people acting like someone or something's shit doesn't stink IRL. Point being, "there are no good guys" is as cold a take as sidewalk diarrhea. Stop it.
"There are no good guys" is also an incorrect take. There are plenty of good guys. The universe is full of good guys. But they're constantly being ground into the dirt, and the factions they find themselves a part of are usually pretty fucking bad. That's the grimdarkness of it all. If literally every single man, woman, child, bug, fungus, robot, and fish was evil, who would care if any of them killed each other?
Even then there's going to be people nitpicking that good guy. Oh, they did x or y or whatever, they're TRASH like the rest. It's tired. Nothing less than a Mary Sue will do.
You sound like someone pointed out your favourite space marine is a genocidal monster
I play chaos, orks and nids. Every one I like is either genocidal or a literal monster.
Nothing beats the guard
Dark eldars and chaos do that, the others are just fighting for their fucking life
Tau ethereal caste When did commanders ever value IG lives Eldar actually eldar are pretty focused on sacrificing others instead of themselves so yeah you’re right there
You may have millions of troops deployable, but it's still on you to not waste what the Emperor provides.
I was once told the Eldar's assholery would be the closest one to a possible death by snu snu. I pick that one.
Who do the Eldar worship?
Ynnead for some, the vidents, themselves...
The Emperor is Our Best Man. He does it for us - so is it really a big ask to do it for him?
Correctomundo. It's like Game of Thrones. They're all shitters and it's fun to watch em tear each other apart.
The Emperor is Malal, and nobody’s changing my mind.
False, the Tau aren't fighting for a being they're fighting for an idea, so they get even less benefits.
At least chaos is honest about it
All the 40k factions are like ice creams of diffrent taste. Yours may taste better, but it's still ice cream
Rare Ork W