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BeloriZont

*Looks at the England flag in the arm* No clue


leehwgoC

I stared at the OP for half a minute trying to figure out if it was a trick question. Brodie helmet, puttee, B-series boots, Lee-Enfield rifle, English cross...


BCA10MAN

This is obviously meant to be a 40k Cossack smh


Shanhaevel

Not to mention the Krieg are not "German", they're a WW1 amalgam...


Nightmun

Mostly French, though. Given how they were in the war, it fits. "Welcome to the front, conscript. Here's your mask, your gun and your armor, the enemy wants to bleed us white and our plan is to bleed them first."


Brahm-Etc

Thinking the same, while they are from "Krieg" german for "war" their uniform and design is more similar to the french tho.


utterlyuncool

Yeah, but they have some weird Stahlhelm look-alike and are called Krieg. They are amalgamation but German influence is front and center, so people usually run with that, since Stahlhelm recognision surpasses French uniform recognision.


Brahm-Etc

Yep, yep. Krieg is like mostly german/french mix and some from other WWI armies, but still going with the german vibe mostly as an army.


utterlyuncool

Eh, I wouldn't call it mostly German. It's just that Stahlhelm was burned into collective memory as German sometime cca 940.M2-945.M2 But the uniform is inherently French looking, and gas mask is suspiciously SBC looking, which was British.


Nightmun

They speak German, but they do in a French accent and use British terms. "Ja, Herr kommandant, für der gott-kaiser! Waß, waß."


ReddestForman

I read that in a French accent. And my cat gave me the dirtiest look.


PossumStan

Combine this with missing the BRIGHT WHITE FLAG, OP maaaaaay not be brightest charge in the lasgun


FrederikFininski

Rifle looks more like a fantasized Belgian 1889 Mauser to me, but the rest of the kit screams Tommy


Bring_bac_the_empire

Looks nothing like a lee enfield


Versidious

Wrong types of grenades, though, British soldiers used round hand grenades.


Affectionate_Help758

Well, that qualifies for both World War 1 and 2 british soldiers *snarks*


Icy_Magician_9372

Has the flat rim helmet and everything lol. Totally English.


Pancreasaurus

So this is the Birmingham Imperial Guard regiment.


MuhSilmarils

Can't be, his kits too nice for a Penal Regiment.


SnoopyMcDogged

Nah too advanced for that blighted world.


Versidious

Don't forget the lion and crown symbols on their chest!


Acceptable-Pin2939

It's called a George cross.


Gibbit420

Pretty sure that's a red cross. He has 2 more on his belt. He is probably a medic. Edit#1: I am wrong, you can see the crown and dragon on his chest. He is 100% a UK or British fighter.


Lucius-Halthier

Th armor actually reminds me of the Italian Arditi from the austro-Italian front, their shock troops were given this armor in part to try and help deal with the shrapnel that breaks off the mountains when artillery landed


Red4297

The… French? Must be.


skybluuue

Couldn't it be a medic identifier?


PassivelyInvisible

No idea, but I like the vibe. Some barely post industrial age world that sends these guys with las rifles out to fight for their tithe


otte_rthe_viewer

Hmmm... Make the gun a Las gun but keep the modifications.


Kuhneel

I think they're called laslocks in some of Dan Abnett's books.


hello350ph

Bolt action laz gun tho


RAD_or_shite

Lasrifle with incredibly high power single shots - so much so that the power pack has to have pieces sliced off and ejected with a bolt mechanism in order to avoid overheating. Cracking idea.


hello350ph

I have this concept of my knight guardsmen regiment called a long bow using very modified lazguns that are heavily over charge shots that they need to change cartridge every 5 to 10 shots but down side if they try to fire it faster than 1 shot per 1-3 seconds. The gun is very accurate and can peirce armour if in close range and kill anything further than a laz gun can


chao5nil

Abnett calls them Laslocks.


GloryThePaladin

A laslock is a breach loading lasgun that takes a single charge at a time. This would presumably be Mag fed with some system needing to be charged each time to ‘prime’ the weapon.


Iaricleave

You could use the galvanic rifles like the ones used by skitarii


aLuLtism

Can’t remember the artist anymore but I once stumbled across his stuff and he did multiple of these Edit: [Andrius Matijosius](https://www.artstation.com/matjosh)


JeepWrangler319

Krieg isn't WWI Imperial German per see, it's more an amalgam of the Western Front. Helmet: German Stahlhelm shape with French Adrian reinforcement band crest Gas Mask: British/American styled Small Box Respirator mixed with the canister filter style Coat: French 1915 Overcoat Leg Wraps/Puttees: Worn by pretty much everyone but most closely associated with British and Commonwealth forces.


Dandalf_the_grehyish

So they're between English, French, and Germans. This fusion means the Kriegers are Belgian.


evrestcoleghost

Worse They are burgandians


YourFriendlyUncleJoe

Well the region that is now Belgium used to be a very important part of the Duchy of Burgundy. Maybe they're from Burgundian-Belgian descent


CTCrusadr

Kriegers are closer to WW1 french.


Betrix5068

Kriegers are just WW1 western front in general. They take elements from all sides.


Angry_Scotsman7567

Absolutely right. The gasmasks are very British inspired imo, the helmets are obviously German, and the trenchcoats they wear are definitely French.


Betrix5068

The ridgeline of the helmets is more French than German, very Adrian helm. But yes they’re a composite.


Skulgar321

They're basically an Adrian/Stahlhelm split. It has a ridge, but the sides come down to cover the ears a lot more than the Adrian does.


Deamonette

The Grenadiers seem to be based off Italian stormtroopers too.


CTCrusadr

Yes but the most common basis of equipment is of le french. The helmet, coat, and breastplate armor, for those kriegsman that have it, is french inspired.


Betrix5068

The helmets are a composite of the stalhelm and Adrian helm, so half German. The uniforms themselves vary, official artwork of them in feldgrau is obviously German than French, but the double breasted top is French. They’re pretty much 50/50.


Derpogama

Yup Kreig are WW1: The Army. The coat and helmet are a mix of French and German, meanwhile the Gas mask is this odd mix of British and Russian designs.


Ythio

They need to give some old fashioned cavalry to represent the Balkans front then


Derpogama

They do but they're currently [Forgeworld only](https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99850105198_DKKDeathRider4Lead.jpg?fm=webp&w=670&h=691).


dangerbird2

I love how grumpy the krieger horses look with the gas masks on


alexhurlbut

Dont look at their "hooves".


Ythio

Looking dope


CTCrusadr

On the coat thing official artwork has them come in grey, blue, tan, black, and green so them coming in green (feldgrau) isn't really indicative that the coat is german and even then I would argue the green used on kriegers is too light to be feldgrau. As for the helmet you're right. The neck of the helmet is very much stahlhelm like but the top part of the helmet is more close to the adrian helmet.


Betrix5068

Is [this](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/11/Krieg_Soldat.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120622211121) unofficial? That’s quinticential feldgrau to me.


CTCrusadr

No its official. Scroll down on this page it gives some of the colors that kriegers come in. [https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Death\_Korps\_Guardsman](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Korps_Guardsman)


Clearly_a_Lizard

Imo it’s closer to hechtgrau, still German no doubt but it isn’t really green, more blue/gray.


asmodai_says_REPENT

There is also official artwork of them in blue, and green as well, they kinda have all kind of colours, the first time they were shown in a codex (around 3rd-4th ed I think) they were brown.


Josykay89

It really depends on which era you are looking at. Initially they were just an alternative color sheme of the Steellegion, which is based on Germans. Paratroopers specificly. Later the 2nd codex of 3rd edition Imperial Guard they had a style of their own, which was however still very german based with different coats, Pickelhaube etc.... also their personel had german names, like Himmel von Paulus (Paulus was the german commander at Stalingrad). That french coat, and new helm design etc. only came when the Forgeworld range kicked off in 2007 with Imperial Armor V. Guess they wanted them to be a bit more different than just "those other Germans with gasmasks".


antijoke_13

[Soldiers of the English Crown, seconded to the armies of The Faithful mustering at New Antioch.](https://www.trenchcrusade.com/)


GreenKnight535

Likely Italian Arditi, Imperial German stormtroopers, and various other heavy/shock infantry units from WWI, though there are probably some krieg specialists that fulfill the same role.


Ok-Neighborhood-9615

Arditi? Young man that is British, did the English flag not give thar away?


CosmicPenguin

And he's wearing a Brodie helmet.


Unofficial_Computer

British =/= English.


Shermanator213

English... flag...? Which bit of insignia, all I'm seeing is some monarchist insignia and a medics cross.


AVeryMadPsycho

Medic's Cross here can pretty easily be mistaken for the English Flag.


6thBornSOB

Not really related and definitely anecdotal; So, strictly coming from a Yank, I NEVER see the English flag out and about. Drive around the suburbs and frequent enough pubs in the US and you’ll see the Union Jack, Irish, Scottish, and even a few Welsh (LOVE the fucking dragon!!) flags on porches or walls, but I can’t recall ever seeing the red&white while out and about?


AVeryMadPsycho

Most people here in England use the Union Jack with places of specific English history featuring the regular flag. Otherwise, it's usually only rural places that use it. If you think about it, with England as the dominant country in the UK (With all the history that entails), flying exclusively the English flag has a tinge of supremacism behind it that tends to lead to unsavoury sorts into rallying to it. That's not always true. In fact I imagine it's not most of the time but there's a small stigma around it given we have people like the EDL and the more racist football hooligans being the most prominent people of 'English Pride'


6thBornSOB

Makes sense. Thanks mate!


Derpogama

This, the only time you see the St. Georges Cross flown is during very specific inter-uk sports events. Like Rugby or Football if it's England vs Scotland, then you see the St. Georges Cross and the St. Andrews Cross.


Ok-Neighborhood-9615

Lions are commonly associated with England, as well. The lion is the animal of England.


SiberianBlue66

Isn't that a Sri Lankan lion on his chest?


JellyRollMort

Which is funny cause there ain't no fuckin lions in England


MercenaryBard

Anymore, anyhow. They were hunted into extinction.


JellyRollMort

We talking like real African type lions or cougars? Either way I learned something


S8n_51

What if I told you that the lion is also the animal of Finland. Northern Europe. Now THERE ain't no lions 😂


JellyRollMort

Wonder why. Did they just think lions were cool? If so, I mean that's fair enough


Rootes_Radical

It’s on his arm. The medical cross is usually on a circle and doesn’t reach to the edges (as per the pouches). The English flag is on a rectangle and the cross goes to the edges. Extremely British WW1 helmet and yeah the crown gives it away a bit. I think the dragon is meant to be the English white dragon


Bring_bac_the_empire

St. George's Cross, the red Cross on a white field is the flag of England


hello350ph

Oh shit the British Grenadines sound the drums If it's a shotgun *over there music* Edit: After a bit of thinking if it's both british and American style it is unholy to see stereotypical Americans drinking tea with shit tons of stubbed type weapons


SurvivalHorrible

Roane Deepers. They wear WWI/II British equipment and they’re sappers who dig a lot of tunnels and deal with explosives.


thatsocialist

Incorrect. Krieg is WW1 in general, German Names, French Coats and Helmets (Sometimes German Helmets) British Gasmasks.


FatherOfToxicGas

Is this a joke? English flag, British helmet, British gun, British style art on the chestplate…


primaris_rice

Ffs, Krieg is ww1 French with German elements if ANYTHING, picklehaubs and funny names does not a German make


Khalith

Krieg is more of a WW1 amalgamation than any specific nation tbh.


ScavAteMyArms

And Steel Legion is WW2.


biggrigg667

Krogers


miszczu037

FOR GOD SAKE KRIEGERS AREN'T THE GERMANS!! THEY ARE STORMING FRENCH MORE THAN GERMANS!!


asmodai_says_REPENT

Kriegers aren't ww1 era germans.


User_unavail_able

Looks like another mash up of multiple WW1 nations, just like Krieg is a combination French, German, English.


Dull_Respect_8657

Albian Rifle Corps


Nastreal

Ca(na)dians


JetoCalihan

No, they're not committing enough war crimes for that. These are brits, not commonwealthers.


Henderson-McHastur

Man, Praetorian Guards have been fighting the Long War a bit too hard...


epikpepsi

WW1 English? Very much a brodie helmet kind of aesthetic going on up top, as well as the heraldic beast on the breastplate and the English flag on the left arm. Rifle also has SMLE vibes.


sosigboi

The Kriegers are french inspired not german.


TheButteredViking

Well, the brodie helmet and English flag would probably suggest this one is English, though the Mauser rifle is a little confusing great pic though


PossibleMarsupial682

That’s a Lee Enfield with a funny looking bolt, not a Mauser.


Foxhound_ofAstroya

Flag gives it away


DerpysLegion

Sexy


Norway643

*god save the emporer starts playing*


Takonite

it often surprises people that the first 'W' in WW1 stands for 'World' and there were, in fact, more than just Germans fighting in the war, it may surprise you to find out the French also fought in this war, check wikipedia, they even won it!


Asgermf

They look kinda British wwI soldiers


golddragon88

WW1 era British. You can tell by the helmet.


Araignys

WW1 British based on the hat, rifle and decals. Ignore the stickbombs.


DeadT0m

While Krieg takes its name from the German word for war, their uniforms are actually much more of a mixture of French and Austro-Hungarian design elements, with some helmet stylings mixed in from Germany. They're basically just "World War 1" troopers.


StormWarriors2

Kriegers are not. They are french. They have french helmets, french armor, french colors. They don't have german equipment that is the Steel Legion which has similar design aesthetics.


MJFFS

With all due respect - please look at the french ww1 unifrom - look at the helmet - look at the canadian uniform. The Helmet + Uniform is french, the "Koppel" is canadian ... and there is no german influence - even the gas mask is clearly not german. Since only the canadian expperimented with this kind of inhaler (with container). (for reference https://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1610&context=cmh). The Putees (cloth around the legs) is REALLY special - so special only two regiments even come into question using them - one of them being the 48th Highlander - Which are one of "the canadians" hagues kept talking about. The "it is alot of different influences" makes me wonder - which ones? The biggest "german" thing is propably the cap which is not present, pickelhaube.... or the trench helmet - (the one with the double protection ini the front).... which is a cadian thing in warhammer. I can see no german influence ... only with the colours. And even there - they look like frenchmen with the red and blue. The guy in your picture is propably some chinese trooper. German Kar- British/ American helmet - wonky body armor - british or chinese - giant bayonet- definitely chinese. =)


Ythio

It has an English flag on the arm. The helmet design look like WW1 British. The legs wraps and shoes look WW1 British. The rifle looks like Lee Enfield with the same short magazine and ejection. It has the British crown drawn on the heart.


RammyJammy07

WW1 English, or if they’re absolutely menaces, WW1 Canadian


otte_rthe_viewer

The Geneva Suggestion would immediately turn into the Geneva to do list


Dovacraft88

I thought the kriegers were an amalgamation of what the average trench soldiers were


Earl0fYork

Excalibur Tommy. I know this art piece because the whole idea of ww1 with medieval aesthetics is cool [link to the art](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/J4VQA)


discopanzer090909

bro their helmets and the flags show that they are British


Terrible-Substance-5

Kreigers are French more than german. But really, they are a mix of all the nation of the first world war. Equipment is French, English.and Russian with the most German thing about them being their shovel and naming conventions.


arthcraft8

the krieges aren't WW1 german, FFS their uniforms are literally those of the french, the only thing german about them is the fucking name and the design of the officer's helmets


running_from_the_IRS

From what I gather, the DKoK (yes, I now what that sounds like, you're free to laugh) are actually a mix between various armies from WWI and even the 19th century in overall design; the helmet is a *stahlhelm*-Adrian hybrid, the uniform is mostly French, the gas mask looks like British-American models. The grenadiers' amour plates are undoubtedly German and the Death Riders and officers are French cuirassiers from the Napoleonic Wars with the same WWI flavor. Meanwhile their tanks, while the same Russes as everyone else in the Guard, have the trench-rails of WWII French tanks. See here: [https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Death\_Korps\_of\_Krieg#Facts/Notes](https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Death_Korps_of_Krieg#Facts/Notes)


Suspicious-Scheme-47

The british obviously


rudolph_ransom

WW1 British soldier


Jackson_Firebird

the british flag, the very british style helemet, and the very Lee Enfield looking rifle absolutely gives it all away.


PossumStan

WW1 as a whole, look up French uniforms. They're literally wearing French masks,helmets, and coats


SubParHydra

He has British symbols all over his armour…


FidgetSkinner

If you want an almost offensively British Imperial Guard army, the Praetorian Guard is for you. Its more pith helmets and redcoats than brodie helmets and lobster tail armor but same general idea.


R_Morningstar

Kriegers are not WWI Germans they are more WWI in general.


thaBombignant

This looks like Italian Arditis from WW1 with a lot of English influence. Arditis would never have carried rifles into battle, according to legend, because they wouldnt start the killing until they got closer than that; knives and grenades shock the enemy. It's sort of like when you make a Spaghetti Bolognese on a UK morning show segment with a little sour cream because you always add some sour cream with mince meat. The point is, if my grandmother had wheels then she would be a bicycle.


orangelemonman

Question not really related to the post but, if I wanted an army with figures like this or an army with custom bits what’s the easiest way to get one?


Jade_Lock

Those 15th-16th century gunmen who still wore some armor maybe? Like what Ferdinand Magellan wore when he landed in the Philippines.


Tsvitok

krieg is a large enough place that they’d have minor cultural differences. this is krieg but from that island that no-one likes.


CatterMater

I'm digging the giant bayonet.


Dubious_Titan

British or Italian forces. The Italians had a pot shaped helmet with a small bill, iirc. The Brits had the full Sunday Church hat brim. The boots, trousers, and gloves are more like the Italians, though. This is a cool look.


russianspacecat

As a point of national pride, I'm gonna say the Canadians. I mean, we've all heard of the Geneva Checklist right?


naka_the_kenku

I don’t know but they’re cool af


DavidTyler09

Holy cow that bayonet is a whole sword


Giantess_gamer

that would be British the helmet gives it away also to coat of arms on the breast plate further solidifies the theory


MakarovJAC

The Brittish.


PrincepsFenrir

The British


TroutWarrior

Kitchennerers???


Whynogotusernames

Definitely British. The kettle helmet, boots and leg wraps are very iconic features of WW1 British soldiers


Chazmina

The helmet is a dead giveaway, these would be British.


ZeroDashAsterisk

Off topic, but do you guys know of an artist who draws stuff like this


usrlibshare

Idk, what would you call people who use single-shot manual-bolt-action rifles in a world of laserguns, *and* make sure they have no chance in hell at even aiming their pea-shooters because they attached half a Katana to the barrel?


Hollow_Digit

Where's the art from?


Rowlet2020

~~Mike Franchina apparently~~


Earl0fYork

It’s actually Andrius Matijosius.


Rowlet2020

Ok, I just saw someone else saying that name and thought it was the correct artist, thank you :)


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axeteam

The Laddies Regiment from planet Britannia.


Prinzmegaherz

Are these the Trenchers from mutant chronicles? I loved the miniatures back in the day


Hefty-Ad-422

The British


Joy1067

Well looking at him, I’m seeing a lot of British soldiers but with the green uniform of the Italian and U.S. so I would say that these guys who be one of those three The Krieg would be the WW1 French/Germans of Warhammer while this guy could be the WW1 British/Italian/US of Warhammer


Ad_Astra90

A cross between World War One English soldiers and the Knights of Yore


Tacomonkie

¿Porqué no los dos?


donutmcbonbon

The armour is simillar to ww1 machine gunner armour used by the germans as are the grenades on the belt. but the kettle helmet and st goerges cross are english. The puttees also scream british solider to me but pretty much every other nation started using them in the later stages of the war as well so that could go either way. So its taking inspiration from a few different places but if you had to pick one i would say british.


uraniumenjoyer92-235

Reminded me of the Italian Arditi for some reason


Koffielurker_

French-German war?


draakling

Ww1 british, look up british helmet ww1 and you will propobly also see the simularuties


D4RTH_S3RR0

Ww1 British, mostly cause the Helm, the heraldry, and the rifle looks bolt action.


Sweaty_Report7864

WWI British


Your_GM_Nighmare

Krieg only have german helmets and gas masks, most of their equipment is french


KH4N-M4N

Probably Italians. The armor looks similar to the Arditi. Having said that, Krieg aren't WW1 German. Their kit share many more similarities with the French than anyone.


17Havranovicz

Ww2 italians


KOTYAR

Excalibur Tommy by Andrius Matijosius of ArtStation Armor 2021 concept in case anyone is interested


AshenBerserker7

Awesome version. But the helmet looks like a British Brodie helmet from the WWI era.


ElNakedo

Probably Spehssss Canadians or Spehssssss Brits.


Matthew-Ryan

I would have said Kreigers are a combo of french and German when it comes to their design, obviously in name they’re completely German.


Rowlet2020

Krieg are Germans with French helmets and uniforms, German masks and British artillery and tanks.


MadlockUK

How has no one said English Tommys??


Quirky_Advantage_470

The Kriegers are WW1 western front inspired but not 100% German. The helmet is has a crest like the French Adrian helmet which is not found on the German Stalheim. The great coat depends on which color scheme you go with gray - German, light blue - French, khaki - British. The boots are inspired by the British B5. The image that you provided is awesome.


TwoProfessional9523

The kettle looking hat looks like a british helmet.


Knight_of_Tyto

I‘d say WW1 Italians. From what I know the Italians implemented some sort of knight esque body armour on the alpine front, in an attempt to facilitate attacks without the horrendous loses usual for such actions. They could also work as something else, but IMO WW1 Italians would fit best for this aesthetic


swisstraeng

british, look at the helmet. It's a brodie helmet. However the torso armour they're carrying is german, this is due to the 3 smaller plates on the abdomen. British had a brewster body armor which looked a bit different but would be a better fit. Another mix of the design is the medieval arm protections, which is a mis of plates and even brigantine on the form arms. I think it kinda makes sense in a fantaisy settings, but it kay be wise to protect the underside of the arms where the plate is with something, at least a gambeson or chainmail. Then the guy has no leg armor whatsoever, which happened after the 17th century when armor was made cheaper to arm a larger amount of infantrymen, and happened with the rise of muskets. And was essentially a step before cuirasses. So I thing he should have some let protections, at least the knees and some thick boots. Then the bayonnet's blade should not extend this far near the hands of the shooter, at least not without a handguard.


TokenSejanus89

WWI brits


Cpt_Soban

The Birmingham System


Mayfly_1

I mean the helmet is simular to a brithis one but i dont know there lore


Zawisza_Czarny9

Canadiams from ww1


Olipaone

Warcrimes. Red cross.


chorizo_chomper

British ww1 soldiers maybe, with the laslocks being like lee Enfield.303 rifles.


Zarzurnabas

Reminds me of the pen and paper game "Degenesis" i like it a lot


Shine-Prize

Kriegers are a combination of nations. French styled coats, English styled masks, German styled helmets (even some French design in there. )


Warriorcatv2

The first thing the helmet reminded me of was that sniper from Disco Elysium during the mercenary tribunal.


TheSporkMan2

I mean they’re more of just WW1 in general


rufusz1991

British


ivenoideas

Looks more British inspired to me, especially with the helmet. Though, the face plate is pretty german ish


MintTeaFromTesco

Well, considering Kreig just means war in German they'd be; The Death Corps of War from the planet of War!


Kamenev_Drang

Barran Siegemasters.


Outer-born

WW2 Era British


THEMETA696

Ww1 Canadian


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landmassiv

The tea biscuit troops


dumuz1

1) Kriegers take their inspiration from all sides of the Western Front, not just the Germans 2) that there is a Chaos-worshiping traitor guardsmen, just look at the chaos mark painted on his armor


Dramatic_Brick_1719

* Siffle longuement * Impressionnant ! 😲👍✍️


laigged

That bayonet.... I can perfectly picture Private Bocchi loosing 2 fingers after trying to hold that spacey futurey Enfield 


DaddyMcSlime

this is the single most english drawing I have ever seen in my life, is OP visually impaired? i don't wanna start making fun of this post until I'm sure cause I don't wanna be *too* mean


__dirty_dan_

Hmmmmmm I Think they're meant to be Chinese.


Scared_Chemical_9910

I’ll give you one guess


YaGirlMom

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Birmingham


MailyChan2

Kriegers are french and I will die on this hill


thelastdeadhero

the kriegers uniforms are much more french tbh and IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRENCH TACTICS IN WW1 IT REALLY FITS